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2 жыл бұрын

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Song Performance: Victor Indrizzo, Sean Hurley, Steve Maggiora, Greg Pajer, and Katie Ferrara
Today we are at Sunset Sound Studios in my one of my FAVOURITE rooms to record in, and we are doing the ultimate test! We will be comparing the Sunset Sound Console to the Universal Audio LUNA DAW.
Designed for seamless integration with Apollo audio interfaces, LUNA is UAD's free Mac‑based recording application that lets you do music recording, audio editing, composition, sound design, and more ‑ all in real time, and with big analog studio sound.
Few studios in the world have contributed as much to the sonic imprint of music culture as Los Angeles’ Sunset Sound Studio. Sunset Sound Recordings was opened in 1958 by Tutti Camarata, then director of recording for Disney Studios. The space’s slanted floor and uneven walls gave it ideal acoustics, and soon the studio was busy recording Disney classics like “Mary Poppins”.
All the rooms and equipment have been carefully maintained since their construction in the early 60s, so their sonic imprint has remained exactly the same as they were when Sunset’s iconic sessions were tracked.
In the video, we compare a recording in this iconic room to the exact same song done through the LUNA DAW with our good friend and Academy Member, Melissa Bell.
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@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Have you used a console before? Do you prefer working on a console or working inside of your DAW? If you've used LUNA please let me know your thoughts on it below!
@ArthurElectric
@ArthurElectric 2 жыл бұрын
Console but I have no space for a console…
@toddgreenwood9631
@toddgreenwood9631 2 жыл бұрын
I miss consoles. Live sound I can walk up to most consoles and start turning knobs pre-sound-check. And then once sound check starts it's just tweaking. Honestly, if these DAW cartoon mixing consoles could just have a 3 or 4 band eq in them as default like a console it would save a lot of headache. In the old days it was so simple. I know I know ... I can kind of do it on the cartoon unit but it's not the same. I should really get a mixer I guess.
@evlplms7635
@evlplms7635 2 жыл бұрын
If you could install a console into my bedroom and teach me how to use it, I would be happy to tell you, Warren. 😂
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
@@evlplms7635 Haha I hear you!
@antcall6779
@antcall6779 2 жыл бұрын
I'm liking the luna one😵 def a big surprise! Both are amazing obviously
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Stellar job as usual Warren!! Glad to see you're having a good time and making great music with LUNA and Apollo!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes, finally! We've been asked 100's of times for thus video and we finally got it done! It was a blast to be able t0o di it and I hope it helps a lot of people out so they can play with the multi tracks and have some fun with these amazing musicians in an incredible room!
@livelikeus4980
@livelikeus4980 2 жыл бұрын
The video only makes me want Luna for windows that much more lol- great job
@blackeyed.
@blackeyed. 2 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, I am waiting for another console extension like ssl or neve, what do you say? Api is not quite my taste although it sounds gorgeous..
@chrismataran8302
@chrismataran8302 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks UA for making such amazing products so we can make and share music!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
@@livelikeus4980 marvellous!
@melissabell585
@melissabell585 2 жыл бұрын
One thing to keep in mind is that I was being a BIT safe where possible since I was having to keep up with the session instead of driving it. It could’ve been pushed a bit more in line with the console, but I think hearing just how close it can get is hopefully really encouraging to folks!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
You did an amazing job Melissa!
@Simbabhebhe
@Simbabhebhe 2 жыл бұрын
Top work 👍🏾
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
@@Simbabhebhe yes! Melissa did an amazing job!
@rickwaters7193
@rickwaters7193 2 жыл бұрын
Melissa are you able to share your Luna session? Not just the tracks?
@melissabell585
@melissabell585 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickwaters7193 That would be up to Warren and co. - they have the session file.
@WheelieMix
@WheelieMix 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't expecting a difference like this. It's a significant difference in the mids imho. The Luna mix sounds like a classic "ITB" mix kind of. Very punchy present snare, everything is a bit separated, the low-end is clean and nice, a lot of resonances here and there (low-mid, highs). Console mix has more mids, less snare punch, everything sounds more finished already, more workable. The balance seems also completely different, to the point I am wondering if it's not what makes the biggest difference in the end. Receiving a tracking session sounding like the desk here sounds much easier to work with and makes it "amazing" when mixing. I wasn't expecting it to be "that" different actually, thanks for making this :).
@chantduplantier9871
@chantduplantier9871 2 жыл бұрын
It was a great time capturing those amazing musicians live. Can’t wait to hear the final version with the strings.
@carlasker9285
@carlasker9285 2 жыл бұрын
Melissa mentions something very important - the fact that a great engineer, great mics, great instruments and correct gain staging and preamp function means that you don't have to use that much compression. Listen to Bruce Swedien and Alan Parsons - they share this philosophy and their productions are famous for their rich dynamic motion and sound quality.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Al Schmitt, Steve Genewick and of course Niko Bolas all practiced this technique. It’s dependent on the song, performance and the artist.
@HitTheRoadMusicStudio
@HitTheRoadMusicStudio 2 жыл бұрын
Love It, Melissa Rocks!!! Always sharing great tips and a lot of knowledge on how to mix! Superb episode & tutorial :)
@billyhughes9776
@billyhughes9776 2 жыл бұрын
I've been using UA Apollo's since 2012 when they first came out. I have three of the rack hardware units, one from each generation and I'm about to purchase another for my new mixing room. I started using LUNA right after it came out in April 2020. Pro Tools user for years prior. I used both for a while until I got past the learning curve of LUNA and have used it almost exclusively now for quite sometime. Still have my PT subscription but I rarely use it anymore. I don't have a lot of outboard gear, so the results I can get with my setup and LUNA are really satisfying. I just have to keep working at the craft of tracking and mixing. Loved the comparison Warren. The band sounds amazing, really excellent song and Melissa did a fantastic job explaining the setup. Thanks again!
@christophernoia5197
@christophernoia5197 2 жыл бұрын
I bought an Apollo 8xp this year and it has totally changed my home recording life. It blows my old interface out of the water and allows me to get the sound of drums I’m after before I’m even in the mixing phase and without needing thousands of dollars of outboard gear.
@UniversalAudio
@UniversalAudio 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it Christopher!
@officialWWM
@officialWWM Ай бұрын
That thing is $5500 here in Australia. So it IS thousands of dollars of outboard gear!
@antcall6779
@antcall6779 2 жыл бұрын
A x4 & 2 x8ps is my dream rig! Great as always Warren! Thanks to everyone involved
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much
@studiopolyphony
@studiopolyphony 2 жыл бұрын
Uh… I’m actually really really surprised. The Luna sounds brilliant!!! Thank you to everyone involved, for putting this together.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Taz! I really appreciate it!
@MattPicsET
@MattPicsET 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been a proud UAD user for some time now and their platform has once again stood up to the ultimate test. Great video, Warren!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@TheSteveKinney
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Been on the Luna train for a while now ... never jumping off ... it sounds bloody incredible. Great video mate!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@MarcBecker_Music
@MarcBecker_Music 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Thank you, Melissa and Warren. The Luna version sounds really great. The UAD ecosystem seems to be a great way to bring a bit of the big console sound to small studios and home recording locations.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much Marc!!
@aceedmond8053
@aceedmond8053 2 жыл бұрын
I with my new UA X4 and Luna ... this is what I needed this morning along with a cup of coffee, ... Thanks Warren!...
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ace!
@luxurydeathtrap
@luxurydeathtrap 2 жыл бұрын
Great shootout comparison! I just got the Luna with the Apollo Twin Duo X and am loving it so far. It is so inspiring to get great sounds right in the box with just a few decent mics and have tons of options to color the tracks. Well done UA!
@andymacc
@andymacc 2 жыл бұрын
Luna with Neve extensions engaged, no latency when tracking with those endless top plug in choices, enough dsp and the Ampex & Studer on master tape slots or sends with an X-Touch yes, X-Touch controller and an SSL UC1. Very happy indeed Warren.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Thanks ever so much Andy! I appreciate hearing from people who use Luna on a daily basis.
@chrismataran8302
@chrismataran8302 2 жыл бұрын
LUNA was a blast for me. Owner of a home studio, I would never have imagined when I purchased my first Apollo Twin MKI 8 years ago that I would have access to an API console, well almost an API console :-) . Thanks Warren for your amazing channel and community!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much for your get comment!
@danialdevostmusic
@danialdevostmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, to me I absolutely prefer the Luna recording. It is absolutely the openness that you talked about, it’s beautifully full range
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@MrTupeloFlash
@MrTupeloFlash Жыл бұрын
One o the best UA Videos on youtube , Thanks !
@erickaymusic
@erickaymusic 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a valuable video Warren! Great comparison! UA never ceases to amaze me.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@HippyDruid77
@HippyDruid77 2 жыл бұрын
The drums in LUNA sound more modern and punchy. I like this, but I feel this is probably a bias of mine due to the modern metal drums I am used to listening to. The guitars sound absolutely beautiful through the console. Closing my eyes, I felt like I was in the same room as the musicians. On a side note, I love listening to people like Melissa Bell talk. Intelligent , informative, concise and no wasted words in the explanation. Thanks for sharing.
@1880dave
@1880dave 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure there aren't even many other studios that can compare to Sunset Sound. Since most of us are unlikely to get anywhere near a half decent studio and console with our music, I can't believe how lucky I am to live in a world where I can have access to something like LUNA for free (because I use a UAD interface) that is talked about in comparison with a console recording at the studio where Prince, Led Zep, Stones, Joplin, Doors, Beach Boys and Van Halen etc recorded :-). Warren, Melissa, the incredible (I'm lost for superlatives) musicians and engineers etc - you are all amazing people to share your knowledge and wealth of experience with people like me. Thanks a million!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much for your great comment! Yes, I’m truly blessed to be able to work at such an amazing studio as Sunset Sound!!
@ggoohhnnjjaalltt
@ggoohhnnjjaalltt 9 ай бұрын
Very impressive results, the Luna version surprisingly open. Both sounded differently lovely. For my private creative studio, this video sold me into the UA Apollo - Luna ecosystem.
@Skimatik_DnB
@Skimatik_DnB 2 жыл бұрын
This is sooo cool , iv been using Luna since it was released so iv really enjoy seeing your reactions 💚 many thanks 🙏
@leefchapman
@leefchapman 2 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna say it: I love how Luna sounds. Well done to all those involved. Looks fun! Thanks to Melissa as well.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lee!
@elkolo2857
@elkolo2857 2 жыл бұрын
I feel you, it does have a sound. I don’t know how to explain it but it’s almost like running a mix trough a good converter..
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
@@elkolo2857 thanks for sharing!
@legacyShredder1
@legacyShredder1 2 жыл бұрын
Lee Chapman! I've chatted with you on the Academy. You reset my password for me. Which I need to do again....
@TomCawoski
@TomCawoski 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job Warren & Melissa!!! They both sound great and I love that you've done this comparison. I totally agree with what Andrew Scheps says "What's important is what comes out of the speakers"!!! Thanks Warren & Melissa!!!
@m.i.stapes
@m.i.stapes 2 жыл бұрын
Love this comparison! Excellent work y’all. Incredible resource for the community.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much! I really appreciate it
@k.ollektiv
@k.ollektiv 2 жыл бұрын
It is just spectacular, what you are doing here and wich opportunity to experience you give to us!! Thank you so much!!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much! I really appreciate it!
@craigsanderson4330
@craigsanderson4330 2 жыл бұрын
Wow you clearly can read minds as I was just thinking last week how interesting it would be to hear a session done to analogue and digital at the same time (although I was imagining one to tape not DAW) with the emulated outboard etc to A/B. The console version has what I can only describe as more realism, to my ears anyway. GREAT video thank you!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much Craig! Glad to be able to help!
@eranddroory9987
@eranddroory9987 2 жыл бұрын
Awwsome.. Thanks for your awesome content Warren, get well soon and happy x-mas :-)
@whoakayno
@whoakayno 2 жыл бұрын
That must have been an awesome test session! Looks really cool
@Thomas0661
@Thomas0661 2 жыл бұрын
Can we please raise our hands, and give a round of applause for this incredible performance, (Not you Warren, you can relax your wrist) :) I know this is a technical nerdy subject to talk about with the gear, but man, this performance is SO ALIVE. Now thats been said, it really is amazing how far todays 1,0,1,0,1,1 numbers have come. I am so happy to hear what the digital world has to offer these days… And your reaction to the LUNA mix, thats priceless… Its brings me back to the time when the Tube Amp vs solid state Kemper blind test was done on KZbin… I am still in aaawww over that video… Good stuff. Best regards Thomas
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much for your wonderful comment! I really appreciate it
@neworleansbeats
@neworleansbeats 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying that ... It was a beautiful performance, in the end that's what it's about right?
@DJayFreeDoo
@DJayFreeDoo 2 жыл бұрын
+1 for the drummer being so into it, sending the momentum back and forth through the body to get just the right amount power hitting the drums. And the faces was a bonus too.
@GetUpTo88
@GetUpTo88 2 жыл бұрын
I've been using LUNA since the start last year alongside Pro Tools and have tried MANY times to get Pro Tools to sound as "open" as LUNA when mixing using their tape/console emulations. I'm really glad you noticed it so fast as it was the first thing for me when I started to use it. That and the depth that you mention. I think it extends to their plugins they make too (that they develop themselves, not the 3rd party UAD plugins) and I'm always surprised people don't hear it there either. I now pretty much just use Pro Tools for vocal editing/tuning etc where it still has some advantages with AudioSuite workflows etc. You might already know, but the LUNA team is lead by ex-Pro Tools people. 😉
@troycopeland5156
@troycopeland5156 2 жыл бұрын
Wow
@javd007
@javd007 2 жыл бұрын
Same . Been using Luna since it came out. It’s a stellar product and IMHO should replace pro toools as the industry standard
@chizzulwinduh1941
@chizzulwinduh1941 2 жыл бұрын
Another great vid Warren, many thanks and I hope your wrist is healing well.
@zoundsic
@zoundsic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the material, it's such a help as always.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
You’re very welcome!!
@RyanHiraokaMusic
@RyanHiraokaMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Got my X8P upgrade coming in today off the fed ex truck out here in Hawaii. Been using Logic Pro for years, but this makes me want to give Luna a try. Mahalo Warren! 🎶😎🤙🏼
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Thanks ever so much for sharing!
@BitsBytesBobs
@BitsBytesBobs 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I love LUNA and the API vision plugins. Perhaps I'm a little biased, but the LUNA wins through for me. What you're saying about the extension on the highs and lows. Also for me, through my Genelec monitors, there it seems there is a bit more air/openness to the LUNA one. This is of course very subjective, but still, for a digital system, the quality that can be generated in an in the box mix, with good mics and rooms, is becoming very close to incredible quality studios.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
@frederickthorne2496
@frederickthorne2496 2 жыл бұрын
this reminds me of the difference I hear between my TAC mic pres vs. my MOTU mic pres. They both have their own unique strengths. I would not want to live without those warm console sounds, but the convenience and ease of the MOTU is downright invaluable to my work flow. - Great work, and great song!! You guys nailed it.
@scene04
@scene04 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this Warren, it's very helpful, well done, please go on..
@deadislander
@deadislander 2 жыл бұрын
Luna is incredibly powerful. Its so easy to achieve a wonderful sound and IN THE BOX!!! The biggest difference I hear is the width, depth and space of the board mix. I like that mix way better. But I bet if you pair luna with a summing mixer like a dangerous dbox I think you got yourself a pretty solid set up. The LUNA summing would saturate and glue groups together while the mixer separates those groups so they're not in each others way, pairing a mixer with luna would also help with the subtle flatness of groups on a track mixed in the box, and that in turn could help with some frequency masking too.
@ChrisWhittenMusic
@ChrisWhittenMusic 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a very enthusiastic Luna. Have been since day one. I think it sounds great and is fun to use.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic!! Thanks for sharing Chris!!
@mikeharwoodmusic
@mikeharwoodmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing the comparison's is great especially the LUNA mix as I am a LUNA user and love it. I was hoping the LUNA project session file was going to be part of the download so it could just be opened as a complete mix as per the session to see how everything came together. Either way, both sounded fabulous but LUNA has something special about it which is why I love it so much and it's still in it's infancy so the future of LUNA is looking very promising indeed.
@LIGHTintheHALLS
@LIGHTintheHALLS 2 жыл бұрын
The familiar analog sound and workflow of LUNA and my UA Solo has made recording inspiring again for me. ✨🔊
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@vincentdenali256
@vincentdenali256 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a big fan of Luna. The workflow is very intuitive. And it sounds great.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@azlannair4835
@azlannair4835 2 жыл бұрын
Impressed with Luna… superb content 👍
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much!!
@PonderosaSoundStudio
@PonderosaSoundStudio 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this, Warren, Melissa, the musicians, and all who contributed! Interesting! I do appreciate that you've put the rough mix tracks up so people can download and mix them themselves. I don't feel like I have the skillset to do that with confidence, but I kept finding myself wondering whether, with some EQ, perhaps a bit more usage of compression here and there, and perhaps some usage of a transient control plugin, whether the rough mix could have been refined and shaped within Luna and using UAD plugins (by a first-class sound engineer), so that it matched the Sunset console results more closely. That, for me, would have told me the most about how close Luna/UAD Apollo can actually get to high-end gear in an aggregate mix, when the room/mics/setup and performance is otherwise the same. If the A/B was super-close, that would have been the clincher. I am only a few months into using my UAD Apollo and Luna, with a very recent addition of a UAD Octo Satellite DSP accelerator to that. I love the UAD gear so far. I just feel that in this video, with some additional usage of EQ and transient control plugins, and compression/limiter plugins, the Luna output here could have been brought quite a bit closer to the Sunset console output, and I wanted so much to test that theory!!! In its rough mix form, I found the bass in the Luna version here to be a little "untamed"-sounding (the OCD in me immediately wanted to "tame" the bass), and I also think your points about the round-off of the transients by the Sunset console really hit the nail on the head. To my ears, that's what makes the console rough mix sound measurably better than the UAD/Luna rough mix, across the board (no pun intended). To me, the analogy is a little bit like listening to an SM-57 in front of a guitar cabinet, versus adding a Royer 121 to that '57 - it just enriches the sound, while rounding it off, but adding to the harmonic qualities - pure elegance! "Elegance" is how I would describe the sound of the Sunset console. Slightly "untamed" is how I would describe the Luna rough mix. Warren, please(!) consider making a Part 2 to this video where you (or an engineer) go back in and try to get the Luna outcome to sound as close to the Sunset outcome as possible on an A/B comparison. That would be, for me, a "holy grail" moment. Perhaps a secondary objective would be to produce a finished mix on each platform, striving for as close to A/B similarity as possible.
@s0ul2s0u1
@s0ul2s0u1 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Warren and Melissa, outstanding results with multi tracks. Produce like a Pro is priceless!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to be able to help
@BenKash308
@BenKash308 2 жыл бұрын
I mean it’s so close and so very subtle but that console version piano just seemed more defined. But man good stuff with that Luna! 👍🏻
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ben!
@markitux
@markitux 2 жыл бұрын
...wow this is amazing, thanks as always: you rock, Warren!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so Marcos!
@samchoate1719
@samchoate1719 2 жыл бұрын
What a cool song! I’ve just started the video but I’m already digging this so much!
@Beat-Brugger
@Beat-Brugger 2 жыл бұрын
A wonderful composition and performance. I love it!
@Rgdonaire_07
@Rgdonaire_07 2 жыл бұрын
Good to see warren featuring uad gear in the channel. I’m a heavy uad user but I have not gelled much with luna, coming from ableton live is a massive undertaking, also some plugins do not run well in it in my experience.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your insight Raphael! Glad you enjoyed the video!
@paspallum
@paspallum 2 жыл бұрын
Warren. In my humble opinion... when you played the Luna mix it was kinda muddy. But preferable to the flat thin sounding pro tools mix. However when you were soloing individual instruments the API desk tracks were VERY much better sounding. More detail . Broader range of harmonic content. This suggests to me that the API desk tracks mixed through Luna could be the winning combination !
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
@AndrewDBrown2020
@AndrewDBrown2020 2 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful video - such a great explanation - thank you everyone for your knowledge.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
You’re very welcome! Glad to be able to help
@einarwilliamfreberg8220
@einarwilliamfreberg8220 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve had the API Vision Bundle in my UA Cart for months. Saving-up my pennies for it. You’ve provided another great example as to why the API Emulation is truly beneficial & cost-effective. Thanks for the upload!!
@skyboxstudios777
@skyboxstudios777 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison! We use LUNA for summing in most cases but great to see what it can do on the tracking side as well.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!!
@dylonbangss2804
@dylonbangss2804 2 жыл бұрын
I just recorded/produced/mixed a 4 track EP for my friend Hardteeth as my final project in my Music Production class and we recorded the drums and reamped all the bass and guitar thru an API 1608. I ended up summing the final stems through the same API console after I got a bulk of the mixes done inside protools. And man just having each stem get touched by a piece of analog gear and listening to those final prints are night and day with everything else I've produced in the past using strictly apollo unison pre's, plugins and soyuz mic launcher.
@dylonbangss2804
@dylonbangss2804 2 жыл бұрын
@@Leviathan-mj8gi Do you think you could give me a little more info as to what channel strip you would recommend. And when you say channel strip are you referring to one unit doing the job of many or building a strip using a few different pieces of gear. Talked to a buddy recently and hes far more into analog than I am and he strayed me away from all the Warm Audio stuff and Klark Technik stuff (pretty much anything that seemed affordable to me)
@crestiferj2689
@crestiferj2689 2 жыл бұрын
that "openness" is exactly what i hear in luna as well. it does sound and feel more...open sounding than the same mix in protools. ive been working with luna for a few months as well and finding the same. there are still a lot of little annoying bugs, but for a year old program...its pretty incredible.
@OMGItsJimmyNash
@OMGItsJimmyNash 2 жыл бұрын
Apollo x4 and Luna are the best things to ever happen to my production protocol. In combination with the Softube Console and Fader units, my home studio is now my favorite studio. It has changed the way I mix into exactly what I always wanted it to be; analog behavior and flavor, with the god-like control of in the box production. I brag up the UAD stuff so much to everyone I meet... I should be on their payroll.
@RONNYMORRISMUSIC
@RONNYMORRISMUSIC 2 жыл бұрын
The million dollar question is do you hear a million dollars extra in the pro tools mix and the answer is NO. I even prefer the sound in Luna om my speakers. It sounds more open and alive. This is amazing because now you can create music, buy a house, a car and boat all at the same time. It is a good time to be alive.
@PacifierMusic
@PacifierMusic Жыл бұрын
I could hear Luna’s openness even through the iPad. Hands down, I like the Luna mix much better.
@CarstenGoeke
@CarstenGoeke 2 жыл бұрын
Simply great. thanks for sharing ✌🏼
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much
@flipnap2112
@flipnap2112 2 жыл бұрын
dam.. that bass tone.. the flow is just gorgeous. its so nice
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much
@thunderhorseofficial
@thunderhorseofficial 2 жыл бұрын
I use LUNA almost exclusively! I have uploaded a few mixes using LUNA in the Feedback Forum! (Stephen Bishop PLAP Lifetime member) Love it!!
@kenwilliams7597
@kenwilliams7597 2 жыл бұрын
From this test, I give it to the console. However, the difference is so small, I will not spend $1,000,000 for that difference. A few tweaks in the EQ & compression & a good set of ears is all you need. If it feels good, it's good. After all, this is art. There are no rules. Just opinions.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much Ken for sharing!
@garnetbey4227
@garnetbey4227 Ай бұрын
that was a wonderful journey in sound thanks agin warren awesome, something to really ponder on.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro Ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@precisionsoundworksstudio
@precisionsoundworksstudio 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Another masterpiece of content from the venerable Produce Like A Pro team!!!! WooHoo! Par Excellence!
@manvince
@manvince 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Warren, thank you for yet another amazing video. However, i think that the panning in Luna is better which gives it a greater stereo vibe/openness than the pro tools version. More guitars especially in pro tools are panned dead center. Having said that, it is remarkable what companies like UAD have achieved. No one should have any excuses for making bad recordings anymore.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Please feel free to download the tracks and play with them yourself!
@Kkidzz
@Kkidzz 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, the piano recording was the real litmus for me….. console sounded so warm and full. Luna recording waaaaay to bright…. I would have eq’d the shite out of it. 😉
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Haha you can! Download the tracks and mix them however you like!
@DJayFreeDoo
@DJayFreeDoo 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah i also preferred the piano on the console. but overall, i enjoyed the sound of Luna more because it felt so much more dynamic and present.
@andyjackson3891
@andyjackson3891 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible video Warren. Just wow!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much
@saardean4481
@saardean4481 2 жыл бұрын
Wow nice work! Thank you for your efforts Warren! You are mos def working on the side that makes life brighter. I got a bit confused in the A-B comparisson cause Luna is like twice as loud and i thought of matching the volume manually when listening. Like at 16:25-ish i hear a lot more Kickdrum but also loudness so when you switch to Pro tools it felt like someone hit a 10db Dim switch. It is amazing though what is possible in the Digital realm and its only getting better by the month somehow.
@bighousemusic628
@bighousemusic628 2 жыл бұрын
With these modern software daw and a good ad/da converter audio interface you can fool the world that you have a multimillion dollar vintage studio full of high end outboard gears and a hybrid mixing desk
@musicdrip5413
@musicdrip5413 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the A/B! I've recently discovered Luna via my investment in the x8p; and I feel like I did when I met Pro Tools for the first time, 20 years ago! Thanks for the point on the similarities in quick keys between Pro Tools and Luna! It's the little things!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@antgeeze7129
@antgeeze7129 Ай бұрын
THANKS SO MUCH WARREN~~ Great musicians and awesome session. I started to say the same thing that Luna had a lot of openness in it. The consul had a lot of warmth to it. I was not mad at neither one. 17 minutes in so far
@AtommHD
@AtommHD 2 жыл бұрын
I like the feeling and glue of the console. Luna also sounds great and has a more modern sound in terms of cleanliness..
@lawrencesounddesign1862
@lawrencesounddesign1862 2 жыл бұрын
That LUNA system sounds fantastic. Actually really prefer the sound of it, instead of the console. There were subtle notes on the piano that just weren't even present at all on the console.
@CreapFreek
@CreapFreek 2 жыл бұрын
The Luna piano recording sounded like a VST plugin, haha.
@fatbackfunk
@fatbackfunk 11 ай бұрын
I wholeheartedly agree!!! The piano (via LUNA) sounded so incredibly vibrant and open, as well as all the other instruments, for that matter. You could really hear all the nuances.
@rastAsia
@rastAsia 2 жыл бұрын
Luna's takes were much more sonically open. Definitely more sparkle and room to breathe on individual instrument with Luna. Maybe it is Melissa who is worth a million bucks!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro Жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro Жыл бұрын
Yes, Melissa is AMAZING!!
@DRINOMAN
@DRINOMAN Жыл бұрын
yeh it does sound open and more modern. in the future you'll be able to choose your style of mix so luna is more future proof since you can start with all sonics vs just mixing in the classic room.
@sbanville4761
@sbanville4761 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Warren! I've been a UAD user for about 5 years now with Pro Tools. Iv'e recently moved from all ITB to a hybrid thing with Neve and CAPI HW, along with wesaudio and Empirical stuff. This video shows that great mixes are closely tied to great performances. I've never used Luna, but the UA plugs are solid for sure. In the vast wilderness of so many plugin designers I prefer UA the best!
@TouchwoodTV
@TouchwoodTV Жыл бұрын
nice - thanks for this!
@michaelrempel9025
@michaelrempel9025 2 жыл бұрын
The big difference to my ear is some what the compression, but also the older console has a more limited slew rate. That is where the openness and high end sparkle comes from.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Michael!
@steveg219
@steveg219 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, console sounds a bit slow in transient response
@top100attractions8
@top100attractions8 2 жыл бұрын
I deffo think Luna wins it. This has convinced me to start using it as I have a great UA setup..Nice work Warren..
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much!!
@PaulBondMusic
@PaulBondMusic 2 жыл бұрын
I must say… The Luna session sounded incredible to me. Really fat and more analogue (tape) than the PT session. I’ve flirted with Luna but didn’t have the courage to start a session in it. I may just have to re-visit. Thanks to everyone involved for putting this together. Great work!
@Dinoschannel
@Dinoschannel 2 жыл бұрын
I like the clarity in LUNA :)
@robbiemichaels2347
@robbiemichaels2347 2 жыл бұрын
Would be nice for one day someone of yours or Marc Daniel Nelson standards would try Harrison Mixbus 32c DAW for a full mix. I think it has an incredible sound but no one talks about it. Love your work always
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to! Great idea
@robbiemichaels2347
@robbiemichaels2347 2 жыл бұрын
@@Producelikeapro Wow - can’t wait. Thank you Warren. Awesome community 🙏
@AtommHD
@AtommHD 2 жыл бұрын
I agree..Underrated software.
@Japsem
@Japsem 2 жыл бұрын
Yes Harrison Mixbus 32c sound great.
@Smurf431
@Smurf431 2 жыл бұрын
I am a Mixbus user since day 1, and even tho they have finally released a win vst emulation, I wish they would release a full fledged consol overlay & get away from Adour......I just can not jell with that DAW!
@kris_gorski
@kris_gorski 2 жыл бұрын
An amazing comparison! What did you use to split the signal?
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Split from the Mics, both units got exactly the same source
@1stCorinthians2_14
@1stCorinthians2_14 2 жыл бұрын
@@Producelikeapro Could you please elaborate on how the signal was spilt, Warren? I believe a Line Level signal can be split up to 5 ways, but since the Mic Level signal is much lower voltage it’s a different ballgame. My understanding is an Active Splitter would be most ideal and any phantom power would typically be supplied from the active splitter. I’ve done a bunch of live recordings where I believe it was a simple passive snake wired in parallel. It went straight back to the FOH position and through a wall to the Studio position. In that scenario I would coordinate with the FOH sound man for any phantom power needs such as on the audience mics that only I was using. He would supply phantom to those and any other mics so we weren’t double sending it. For anyone looking to do a split for a live recording you’ll want to keep in mind that phantom power doesn’t flow across a transformer or a “transformer isolated split.” You’ll need to have a solid plan and be sure to coordinate with the venue and the live sound engineer as you’ll need physical space and you’ll be drastically impacting their workflow and timeline. I’m preaching to myself right now also!
@troycopeland5156
@troycopeland5156 2 жыл бұрын
This video convinced me to purchase the appolo 6 heritage edition which just came yesterday...WOW the greatest investment ever for recording plus Luna and alot of authorized plugins wich are killer you won't go wrong getting the X series of the appol their worth every penny thanks for the video
@southernman2
@southernman2 2 жыл бұрын
Been using Luna from day one. Been using it exclusively when my Pro Tools subscription came up for renewal, which had doubled in price.
@LukeEll
@LukeEll 2 жыл бұрын
For me the "real thing" is more natural, but Luna sound great
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@SuperFalcoFalco
@SuperFalcoFalco 2 жыл бұрын
Warren you are a good dude!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much! Glad to be able to help
@pro_influence
@pro_influence 2 жыл бұрын
Great Job Mr Warren, when I watch the video again only what I consider is first DAW has deferment tone that enhance the Audio, for example if We want to judge this well We should find a means of tracking the Song through Luna plug in into Pro Tools and without the Console if possible to compare, also track the Song through the Console directly into Luna without its Plug ins and let's listen the deference, by the way You have really done a great Job by doing this. Thank You.
@JohnnyF71
@JohnnyF71 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, and some really fabulous musicians on show here. Have to say I was especially impressed with Sean Hurley's bass playing. Just beautiful.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@JohnnyF71
@JohnnyF71 2 жыл бұрын
Thank YOU Warren 🙌🏼
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyF71 thanks YOU!
@miguelmikemigs
@miguelmikemigs 2 жыл бұрын
Hey UNIVERSAL AUDIO! Do a mixing competition for this thing!!!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@Superdelphinus
@Superdelphinus 2 жыл бұрын
The console one sounded quite a lot better to me, but not as much as it would cost to get there.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@krisjeneson5017
@krisjeneson5017 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Warren for another great vid and content ! I think whilst both have their differences they are both great - perhaps the console sounds a little more 'finished' to my ear, perhaps this is due to tamed transients via the console, keeping elements more inline/glued. I don't know enough technically to comment on the why . . . BUT what a world we live in where this can be achieved with a small handful or relatively cheap gear/pugs and of course bags of performance talent .
@tonyadams6985
@tonyadams6985 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Warren, the openess and low, lows on the Luna was noticeable!
@dancehallshinobi
@dancehallshinobi 2 жыл бұрын
The Analog console deals with the high mids much better than UAD Luna.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@clydedowney2620
@clydedowney2620 2 жыл бұрын
I would prefer the LUNA sound, it sounds more lively/real ....love this comparison! Thanks! Listening on headphones, now if this was at a greater volume and through speakers, the LUNA may become more piercing to the ear but that is another matter!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much Clyde!
@mikecerbomusic
@mikecerbomusic Жыл бұрын
I do prefer the Luna mix but would have liked to see Warren make the pre-amp adjustments for Luna only because he made the adjustments on the console. As a Techno/House Music producer and purchasing more DAWs than one should have in a lifetime ;-), LUNA is a game changer in sound quality over all other DAWS in my opinion. I can't wait to see luna grow and mature in years to come, it may become the industry standard. Huge fan of Produce like a Pro and have learned so much from this channel ;-) Great video!
@garnetbey4227
@garnetbey4227 Ай бұрын
wow that song felt very very good.🤗🤗🤗❤❤❤❤❤good job young lady, as always great job warren,,,
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