Professor Brian Harvey on why not to cheat

Taken from UC Berkeley's online video archive.

[@aisparrow9734]

see you all in five years when it’s recommended to us all again.

[@Icouldntthinkofanamelol]

See you soon bro

[@NotEvenSquidward]

This is the third time Ive seen you today

[@Icouldntthinkofanamelol]

Not Squidward me?

[@Icouldntthinkofanamelol]

Not Squidward or Barney?

[@aisparrow9734]

Not Squidward fr? on what videos cause ive been commenting on short videos all day. Also there’s a lot of barnes which is why i will be changing my name soon

[@MattWithTheCat4541]

"The reason children cheat is because the school system values grades more than children value learning. " - Neil DeGrasse Tyson

[@djbreck1041]

When Neil says something that isnt dumb it's pretty good. Edit;spelling

[@emcustard]

Really, the school system values grades more than it values teaching. The children and the teachers are doing the best with what they're given.

[@richman360]

No people cheat because they don't want to try and learn the material lol.

[@quab5738]

Solitude I don’t understand you, you literally just repeated what the original quote is saying, while also insinuating that the quote is incorrect? Like, what the fuck

[@sirgrinder]

Yeah but these are fucking adults

[@hamcheesecola]

College - Don't cheat Also college - we know you're an art history major, but you have to take this Calculus class, even though you specifically chose art history because you're bad at math

[@drakenguard95]

Same but with English literature. I sure as fuck cheated on my math course. Why do I need to know statistics for old dead guys?

[@mibosaurus]

@@drakenguard95 lmao

[@Vortex-qb2se]

@@drakenguard95 Math is the language and logic of the Universe. Knowing basic math and having decent logic is necessary for every human being in today's world. It is just as important as speaking the primary language of the country you live in. That is why you need to know math, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you'll achieve those two things through University classes, since mojority of math teachers don't know how to actually teach math. For example, instead of having the students understand the logic of a formula and be able to use it, they make the students memorize the formula. Math is not about memorizing, it is about logical thinking. Sadly, most of the teachers and even some professors don't get the main concept and prioritize memorization over thinking and learning. Here's how a good math teacher proceeds: - Explain the importantance of that field of math and what it is used for in real life, students will never question. Motivate them to study that before moving onto the lesson itself. - Show a formula and explain how to get to that formula out of something the students already know OR if there is enough time, make them "discover" that formula themselves. - Make them solve many exercises using it. - Let them use a list of formulas in test if they need to, but in most cases they would've already memorized all formulas if doing previous two steps properly. -Spend time to explain something even if it's not the topic of today's lesson because everything is important. Here's what a bad one does: - Give formula or theorem. - Memorize it or you'll die 👹👹👹 - Give easy homework without even explaining to them why they need to solve homeworks (solving exercises in math is the key to learning it but in reality students dont understand that unless you convince them that this is true). - Expect students to be able to solve everything with the formula of theorem because they know it, even if they don't understand it. - "if we had a lesson about it, you must know it. I wont explain something we already studied because you didnt understand it"

[@Among340]

@@Vortex-qb2se Uh yeah that's true, but i think some people are just naturally bad at math For example I always liked math but I sucked so bad at it because I just lacked the logic in that field. I don't blame my teachers though, they always tried to help, but sometimes it just wouldn't get into my thick skull, no matter how hard I tried. But then again I never really put that much effort in it, maybe if I would've, things could have been different, but it would still have been a hard subject no matter how much study I would get. 🤷

[@kaidenderomero4235]

@@Vortex-qb2se understanding basic math essential too bad 80% of essential math courses are far from basic and won't be used unless you're specifically going into a field that uses those. But also from that agree with you

[@hoi-polloi1863]

Prof Harvey was my first CS professor way back in the day! Loved his lectures, and am glad he's getting some love on KZbin.

[@eshatbereitsbegonnen7313]

Hoi Polloi! ❤ Humanity is a living whole and we are just (in)significant parts of that crazy mass.

[@whitehorse8558]

​@@eshatbereitsbegonnen7313How can be we insignificant if we make up the mass lol

[@princealmighty5391]

He was mine too he took us to Disney world as all the students passed. Met my first love there in Disney world been together for 3 years including now. We visited all parks magic kingdom animal kingdom and Hollywood studios.

[@itslash8493]

“I don’t wanna fly an airplane that was engineered by someone who cheated in this class” *2020 zoom class tests*

[@carlbergelcias]

Hahaha the cheat is not a part of the process, the cheat is the process

[@user-de4cq6uk6l]

Boeing: *looks away*

[@gregc6441]

You'd be amazed at how many people cheat their way through A&P school (aviation mechanic) as the tests are all based on a prepware study tool where all of the questions and answers are exactly the same word for word on the actual tests. All you have to do is look through prepware and memorize the answers to get through the program. These are people that want to work for major airlines you all fly on!! Only thing that will hold them back (hopefully) is the O&P where they will have to explain and demonstrate how they got the answers and perform a simple maintenance task on an aircraft. Scary shit.

[@jake9854]

well for my class... they re still alien cipher even if I cheat...

[@zan1971]

@@gregc6441 How is that any different than memorizing a text book for school? By your logic all children who memorize answers for exams are cheating.

[@TheXodic98]

This was so inspiring that I stopped cheating on my wife

[@dotzero3014]

Lol

[@user-sc8mj5bb6k]

bruh moment

[@Fish_152]

Fish

[@mmuhee151]

Fish that’s deep😳

[@strebicux6174]

What absolute dedication

[@cachdeques]

I never cheated on my exams at university, but during the weekly assessements cheating / copying answers while understanding what was copied was common, and I must say it was a great way to learn, and I still remember some of those questions. That was for me like cooperation

[@LNVACVAC]

Weekly assesment? Where did you graduate? At Solovki Gulag?

[@You_Ate_My_Soap]

Well, good for you then

[@nickcunningham6344]

I literally use ChatGPT as a free tutor. A lot of professors would consider it cheating, and it is if you're just blindly copying answers. But if you actually read and check ChatGPT's answers, understand them, and maybe even verify some of them online, at that point it's just a more efficient way to learn.

[@HughJass-jv2lt]

​@@You_Ate_My_Soap😂😂 Don't be Bitter!

[@mulsimin__]

Cheating is a terrible feeling, but failing gives you suicidal feelings

[@andrewgajdalo480]

If you are really feeling suicidal from getting a bad test you should probably take it more easily or get help

[@alecLogan]

@@andrewgajdalo480 Or, perhaps, trying something else. There’s something to be said for continuing to try despite failing, but there’s just as much to be said about recognizing that something isn’t “clicking,” and moving on to something that can.

[@slick_schlick2879]

@@andrewgajdalo480 Uhm don't you have parents and other relatives just dying to know your grades? If not then you may never know the true horror tests and grades bring to a person.

[@halflight8811]

@@andrewgajdalo480 Well people unlike you have no choice, "I will throw you out of the house", "I will beat your face up","you have no future". This is what they get, And i got it for not getting full marks on a test.

[@VenusChad]

Exactly, especially if you’re paying for the courses

[@iizvullok]

"The reason you don't cheat is that you will become a person that quotes people in the internet to sound smart without even knowing the person who was originally behind the quote." -Aristoteles 330BC

[@tigertian1251]

OOH self roast those are rare

[@adwitatherealadwita]

tigertian 12 A suicide by words as the redditors would say.

[@justoriginal6029]

@@tigertian1251 but he wrote down who made the quote. edit: *sigh* after 11 months people are still commenting on what I said... mine was also a joke to add on to what tiger said...

[@tigertian1251]

@@justoriginal6029 OOh that was an even worse one to your self.

[@confl1ct180]

tigertian 12 bruh YOU missed the joke

[@distant40]

Current situation: - Exam tommorow - Preparing cheat sheets KZbin: *Don't cheat*

[@danielallison3540]

If you cheat to get a degree, and its caught later even after you have a career/licensed, the college can and would probably revoke your bachelor's degree/license in a state and therefore loose your job. Ever day you make money is money stolen because you dont deserve to have that license to work to begin with. End of story: DONT CHEAT ANYWAY

[@kullaxp4563]

@@danielallison3540 congratulation

[@kullaxp4563]

@@danielallison3540 congratulation

[@Alperpuse28]

@@@danielallison3540 congratulation

[@robbiverse]

@@danielallison3540 congratulations

[@dophop]

I remember putting such little effort into a biology assignment I didn’t use the text book or internet. I was okay with getting bad marks on it. But then the teacher tried to say i plagiarized when I hadn’t used any information materials at all. Just off the top of my head. One of the most frustrating encounters of me not caring and a teacher thinking I cared enough to cheat. Smh.

[@TheSilvershadow200]

You said you didn't use any material. If you write something off the top of your head and it turns out to be a fact proven by someone else, it has to be cited or it is indeed plagiarism. Most likely that's what they meant.

[@dophop]

@@TheSilvershadow200 it’s not what they meant but thanks for the response anyway.

[@BornTrespasser]

​@@TheSilvershadow200no it's not. It's not plagiarism to explain or show understanding of scientific concepts without citing who discovered it every time.

[@mklein1]

I've cheated multiple times during my studies. I feel absolutely no remorse. If I'm going to be assessed in such a cut-throat way, I will do what I can to succeed.

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

By "succeed" you mean make money. Truth is, you've already failed at being a trustworthy person. So you might as well admit it. You value money over everything else.

[@mklein1]

​@@xXscreamingkoalaXx And? I know what makes me happy in life. You can't pull the moral high ground on me here by claiming that I failed in being a 'trustworthy' person because truthfully, I don't care. If money is a pathway to my goals, which it is, I will value it like my life depends on it.

[@mklein1]

@@xXscreamingkoalaXx Wow, more personal attacks despite you knowing literally nothing about me. You don't know how I approach my commitments in life, and my relationships with others, so don't assume. I'm not harming anyone in what I do, none of my courses are even graded on a curve. If anything, the most harm I'm doing is to myself, if I did decide to do anything related to my degree, so you literally have no reason to care other than claiming moral superiority which is honestly more pathetic.

[@mklein1]

@UCf4c0JJpGVrrMTcy7Vppw5w "Violent criminal" right, my drive to earn money to live a good life, provide for my family, and achieve my long-term goals is really pushing me to rob a convenience store for the money because I just have to "go for it".

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

@@mklein1 You said it, not me. "Like my life depends on it." There's your mistake. Your life is about more than money. One important part is being trustworthy, so that others can love you. What you just said is a demonstration that you're not trustworthy at all when money is involved. You should tell that to people in your life and see what they think.

[@kingsly1900]

I think I need to restart the story of GTA San Andreas ..

[@donlansdonlans3363]

Don't leave it unfinished

[@Chibibowa]

Remember, don't cut corners.

[@o1dragone]

lmao I finished GTA San Andreas for the first time a month ago without cheats

[@lenvoor1633]

LMFAO

[@orience2225]

@@o1dragone congratulations

[@rjose705]

"WHY YOU SHOULD NOT CHEAT" -Recommended for you

[@Rosa_0000]

You looked at your phone during the test, but you didn't expect your phone to look back. You just got nothing-personaled by your own phone.

[@forzaguy835gaming2]

bruh, same, it has showed up for me like 4 times in the past week

[@gabem3251]

KZbin knows its finals week.

[@apocalypticbean]

I never cheat! (anymore)

[@SankhaKelumDahanaggalaSKD]

Didn't see this coming 🤣🤣

[@SHx589]

I understand his sentiment. But the real world doesn’t reward honesty. Unfortunately. Fake it till you make it!

[@nathanr1713]

Yeah, Fake it till you make it to federal prison

[@krispybacon9927]

@@nathanr1713 lmao

[@krispybacon9927]

See how that works out

[@Smokey1419]

Youve condemned yourself to a life you dont know how to do

[@logang4632]

It depends on who you work with. I know too many honest people to leave this statement unopposed.

[@remyratatouille520]

A lot of the students that missed this lecture went on to design and manufacture planes at Boeing

[@Sami-xv8ve]

my teacher always says " your integrity is worth way more than a number"

[@sofanice7445]

Hes wrong

[@visfiresteam6542]

lmao bs no college is gonna be like "Yeah THIS gUy Has A 4.0 BuT THIS OnE Has A 2.9 Gpa aND IntEgRIty, LeTs taKE Him". Yes, if they know you cheated ur fucked but if you cheat without getting caught its gg

[@Sami-xv8ve]

@aka Theonly1key there is no better champ son

[@Coolguy-mk7hg]

Integrity is not going to pay your bills

[@disuelallkanjari8249]

NO IT'S NOT

[@StephenVTran]

“Nah.” - zoom class of 2020s

[@AtomicDude]

seems about right.

[@lukeberko701]

@@AtomicDude lmao you’re just here

[@tooler8689]

@@AtomicDude Funny finding you here XD

[@shivmirani748]

@Lello facts

[@ronnieturner6820]

Don’t get it

[@fosres]

This was one of the greatest lectures I have ever listened to in my life. Really it was.

[@famguy218]

It took me 6 years to finish college. Almost everyone I know who finished in 4 in my major (computer science) used chegg or would find answers online in someway. The way college is set up in America makes it much more rewarding and time saving to cheat and figure out why the those answers are the way they are afterwards

[@nickcunningham6344]

Definitely doesn't help that you gotta take like 18 hours every semester just to graduate in 4 years. Comp sci major too. And I have ADHD. I can barely handle 12, and that's why I'm taking an extra year (I also took dual credit in high school). 4 years just isn't realistic unless you cheat honestly.

[@marcoottaviano527]

Plot twist: he cheated and stole the speech from another professor.

[@arafathussainarif9755]

lame sh!t man

[@ham8780]

let me guess, and you stole this comment /s

[@svenes2326]

genius

[@tonknka7392]

Its probably the opposite now, professors are stealing this from him

[@swedishfish1]

@@ham8780 lemme guess, you stole that reply.

[@TheOriginalJphyper]

"Don't cheat off the guy next to you because they're probably an idiot." -my 6th grade teacher

[@wayneurquhart1967]

Was she talking to the person next to you?

[@TheOriginalJphyper]

@@wayneurquhart1967 She was talking to the whole class. Nice try, though.

[@wayneurquhart1967]

@@TheOriginalJphyper Did you get my joke?

[@TheOriginalJphyper]

@@wayneurquhart1967 She was talking to me. You're the one next to me. (Yes, I did. Hence the phrase "nice try, though." I was too busy at the time to counter-joke; I'd just woken up and had to get ready for work.)

[@arhamsaa]

That's so idiotic of her.

[@Zlics]

Honestly man, you know what, this speech right here just gave me a different outlook. I’m someone who cheats a lot on tests, quizzes, you name it. You never know when it’s gonna catch up to you. Ive decided I’m gonna continue cheating, but this really changed my outlook on doing it.

[@alexandritesblindfold]

Hope things have gotten better

[@JamesCarpeDiem]

just study harder

[@odie-wankenodie8607]

Wise words

[@BornTrespasser]

😂

[@jezsez5074]

In my experience as an engineer (25 years) - the people that cheat, backstab, lie and talk themselves up always do a lot better than the technical experts.

[@nathanr1713]

Alot better at what? Getting to federal prison lol?

[@Fearseblack]

@@nathanr1713 that's funny but the person above is speaking truth. People do all the above and somehow come out ahead. Excluding minorities

[@lojika1majik]

@@nathanr1713 how do you go to prison for lying about your skill

[@josiahademiluyi4677]

@@nathanr1713 just why

[@rrestoring_faith]

Sounds like an even bigger problem.

[@brodypenn]

I love how KZbin recommends this to everyone during the coronavirus online school era when everyone’s cheating.

[@liambuchanan3942]

Lmao for real

[@mosesdevadass6056]

I’m really hoping my teachers don’t look at this comment

[@adidascat5773]

@@mosesdevadass6056 math papa moment

[@jimboreaddabible777]

Like in the 2020 election?😏

[@jimboreaddabible777]

Good for this guy! Mega-kudos to you sir!

[@giusepperesponte8077]

I’m proud to say I never cheated a single time throughout school. I failed most of my classes and dropped out but that’s beside the point.

[@NotShanks.]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@CRUUGG]

A true king

[@bojanglesassnigga274]

A cookie has been granted

[@theozuretti6091]

Who asked tho

[@Barbspongebob]

@@theozuretti6091 would you shut up?

[@pastorcameronmurphy6130]

“Cheating is just, the smart man’s expert” -Johan Goodwin

[@KingJerry2323]

I’m 28 years old and it took me forever to get out of my basics . Because I never cheated . Life taught me a lot on the way! Life will teach you more than any class room ever can . I’ve learned that having a little street knowledge and learning a little bit of books is always the way to go . I’ll be graduating with my bachelors in 2 weeks! Thank you

[@enjoyitbro]

I cheated off you in class so thank you

[@williamknox4303]

@@enjoyitbro And I cheated off of your cheated paper, would like to thank everyone up this chain for getting me an A in this class.

[@dennis_duran]

This would be better if he was assembling a sniper rifle the whole time.

[@davidabidoye8389]

Why does fit soo well

[@CashLibertyMusic]

David Abidoye cause it’s a school

[@parkerdalrymple4398]

Wolfpack Provisions well then I guess that’s one benefit to online school.

[@CashLibertyMusic]

Joel Park shut up bot

[@donk5058]

Joel Park wtf is this

[@muchobado9972]

This sounds like something a cheater would say.

[@leannihi6807]

Just another tiny part of this infinite universe that’s cool cuz I never interpreted it like that but... it’s a joke

[@psychlyeslg]

Anyone would say it so everyone is a cheater. Tis a joke, don't get wooooshed fellow reader.

[@tuxedosteve9556]

ボン iM nOt A cHeAtEr!¡!¡!¡!

[@code122]

@@tuxedosteve9556 That's what she said XD

[@RH-mh5tp]

this reminds me of something someone would say in among us for some reason

[@theoriginaljean3917]

He speaks facts. Now, the real job schools have, is to make students be actually interested in the subjects, make them feel useful, make them feel like they’re actually building something.

[@AmirPB]

If the school system wouldn’t be structured, in a way, that if you make mistakes you get punished for it. That’s how it feels when you make mistakes, which will result in to a rhythm and a lifestyle where you do not want to make any mistakes. You learn from mistakes, that’s the whole point. Cheating is co-operating in my opinion, they should really try to structure education in a certain way that applies to real life. Instead, we get education based on the way people lived in 1800s lmao. I study Engineering in England, almost done, yet there’s 1 teacher that always says:”I don’t even know why we don’t teach you guys the stuff that the companies, that are waiting on you, are demanding from people nowadays. Instead you guys are learning physics, maths and aspects you won’t need to use in the business.” School system is fucked.

[@nathanr1713]

You’re right to a point. I agree that there are other ways to motivate students to do good, but making mistakes allows you to learn and overcome. That’s a life skill that applies to pretty much any challenge.

[@member5003]

Couldn't agree more. "You didn't do well enough on this problem on this exam therefore we are going to have to ask you to do the whole thing again but with different problems". That's not how a job works. If you mess up you get feedback , you fix it and you ask for feedback again until it's better. Then on your next project you know how to make it right the first time

[@enjoyitbro]

In some cases mistakes should be penalized, that's lide

[@AmanomiyaJun]

@@enjoyitbro In some cases, mistakes should be penalized. School, however, makes that **most** cases.

[@bottlecap6169]

Claiming that Physics and Math aren't used in the engineering industry is one of the most delusional things I've ever heard.

[@tiscomplikated]

my teacher says; what do you call someone who cheated through medical school? *a doctor. you call them a doctor*

[@CoffeeSnep]

That one always cracks me up

[@yesrooster762]

I've spent 10 minutes trying to understand this. Please someone explain

[@CoffeeSnep]

@@ricardo_2717 its because you don't know someone's academic past. A doctor who graduates last of his class and a doctor who graduates first in his class will appear the same after graduating. Their success or mediocrity doesn't follow them past that. You could be getting a fantastic doctor or one who cheated and barely passed. They both get the MD.

[@micosstar]

@@CoffeeSnep Oh, wow.

[@MonkeysRaw]

Ricardo _ you don’t have to be a d***

[@felipemartinez5809]

This is so true I passed my hiv test without cheating

[@samnuebel]

Felipe Martinez finally something positive

[@nuke2625]

I think you did that too by cheating someone unless you are dead single.

[@MKD1101]

*Because you didn't cheat but the other person did!*

[@wenelol]

Damn, these replies are gold

[@vencasuamente]

Smartass

[@thealmightyoragutan612]

Don’t cheat, but please assign 10 hours of extra work for home so we can study freely in the last 2 hours of our day before dinner and getting ready for bed.

[@jameson4844]

Dude facts I hate this bs I literally have no free time at all. weekends I’m helping one of my family members with work and all the rest is school and studying

[@requiem165]

I didn’t cheat throughout school and got kicked out for bad grades, now I’m suicidal

[@uncertaintytoworldpeace3650]

Just be homeless drug addict, loser.

[@Star-um9cz]

Same.. I’m sorry you feel that way bro😭

[@requiem165]

Hey! A year later after I gave up hope, I applied at a new school and am cheating now. I'm getting such good grades and am super happy these days :D @@Star-um9cz

[@HughJass-jv2lt]

​@Star-um9cz Moral of the Story: *HATE THE GAME...* _NOT THE PLAYA!_ ❤😜❤

[@NinJa-qr1sp]

Grading on a curve is evil... This statement is pure gold

[@HassanAhmed-rf9xr]

sorry how is that pure gold?

[@theWebWizrd]

@@HassanAhmed-rf9xr because a lot of schools at least in the US does it and tries to justify it. It's refreshing to hear someone actually speaking common sense.

[@tseikkisnelkytkaks9013]

@@theWebWizrd Completely agree. It also makes your grade dependent on what kind of luck you happen to have with the classmates - there necassarily aren't that many people on some small course, get five absolute brainiacs who will ace every test and boom you're now bad even tho you're doing just fine. It's simply not a fair way to grade anything when there's a set of things you need to learn and you're examined on how well you learned those things. I have no clue how this makes sense from the institution's point of view; except if they teach poorly or have particularly bad students (which is almost never the case, it tends to even out); they can then pretend their results are average because they are average by definition.

[@bigdaddyj2026]

I wouldn't call it evil (or gold). In my experience in college, in most instances of grading on curves with regular size classes (30+ students), either an average (myself) student's grade won't change or it will slightly go up. Yes, you're going to have some brainy people that ace every test/assignment, but I find that usually teachers will apply the curve to help, rather than hurt, the other students. Of course, the goal of the class is to learn as much as possible while applying ourselves the best we can to that goal so we should all strive for A's. Just my 2 cents.

[@314shorts]

News flash: in the real world you actually compete against other people. This dude is such a moron

[@insert_username77]

School system: Don't cheat Me: no KZbin: Don't cheat Me: ok

[@MrTrevor0567]

😂😂😂

[@averagebodybuilder]

School System : be honest and honorable You: "no - i am a dog, a POS, and a hellbound scum"

[@xtremechaos5771]

str8 faxxx

[@johns8065]

lol

[@shirogami4224]

Maybe you should cheat on your lover that's a breath of fresh air

[@CanDOGGOGetSubs-jr9xn]

Imagine if someone got this video in their recommendation after they cheated

[@diom00]

I cheat all the time so I dont have to worry about that

[@ploof592]

I had a teacher that told me “Cheat smarter not harder.”

[@dutiot2326]

I whish that was my teacher.

[@pianoingels7128]

my architecture professor for static once said:"cheat, but dont let me catch you"

[@Void-by3ti]

Piano Ingels architecture and medical fields are the worst possible fields to cheat in lmao. I’m not tryna walk into a skyscraper designed by some guy that cheated in college lmao

[@pianoingels7128]

@@Void-by3ti haha dont worry mate i passed with the second best grade :)

[@dontreplyyourestupid136]

@@Void-by3ti Even if they didn't cheat, somebody out there is going to the doctor with the lowest class grade

[@hugosalazar4715]

My teacher had this video in one of her tabs then she gave a speech Almost exactly like this

[@randomdude6719]

That’s perfectly ironic

[@arturpendrag0n270]

@@randomdude6719 No that is called Learning.

[@FailBucketFilms]

Thats hilarious 🤣

[@someoneprice2371]

😂

[@Ril014]

Hopefully youre joking; cause if not thats sad as fuck.

[@pjoazure]

As someone with a degree that actually never cheated but was several times close to doing it: don't feel bad about it. The pressure can be immense especially if you come from a family that has to pay for your college while being close to poor. The thing is though that you absolutely should study the things in your curriculum. In the end you are only betraying yourself and getting a good education is a privilege, even if the concept of exams is absurd.

[@waccness449]

If you need to cheat to graduate, whether that course is in your major or not, you 1. Shouldn’t be in college 2. Parents definitely shouldn’t be paying for you to go. I’m glad you didn’t cheat yourself, but your advice is horrible. You should feel bad about it if you do, because then you didn’t really earn your degree and shouldn’t have graduated. Even the courses not part of your major are required for a reason.

[@Maladjester]

This is terrible advice. Pressure isn't a reason to cheat. It's an excuse after the fact. I'm not going to be that asshole going on about how pressure makes diamonds. I'm saying, if it's really too much, get out. Do something else with your life. If it's too much pressure to study a field, you should never in a million years get near a real-world job in that field and the pressures it will bring. Lack of guilt about one's own bad behavior is not a virtue, full stop. Exams are not absurd. There is a legitimate need to verify that prospective professionals have some idea what they're doing. Every homework assignment is a mini-test to absorb a bit more material. Every so often there's a larger test recapping large sections of material. Even if their job is going to be 90% Googling answers, they've got to have their own knowledge base to work from. Exams are meant to establish this.

[@adamnaqiuddin7807]

The concept of exam isn't absurd. If you ask the students, most of them would say they'd _cheat_ for the good grades. If the exams were absurd, no one would bother taking it.

[@thereareantsbehindyoureyes7529]

the two people who replied to you dont understand the necessity of being in college for some people lol

[@Chris-fh3qv]

Ignore the moralists in the comments. The education system is absolutely a cauldron in regard to grading. If you are going to put me in a position where I have to study and engage with modules that are nowhere near my field, I am cheating. I'm not stupid enough to be hoodwinked into thinking some left-field module is going to contribute to my professional development. It's an insult, a waste of my time, and just a half-crocked effort to fill out a timetable. Then come exam time you can bet I will be putting more effort into modules that are of more importance to me. But to say cheating has no place? Grow up. If no one's plane is going to fall out of the sky because they decided to cheat on a nonsense topic, go for it. Just put that effort into learning how to program a plane.

[@Zzzatch1000]

I never cheated -before the pandemic Now I do my exams at my house with my notes At least I did it alone and not make groups to do the exam :/

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

Good on you

[@serhiimamedov]

Average programmer googling every single thing during his job: "Interesting"

[@everyone01]

this is so true

[@DeWitherWarrior]

I remember that old meme that went: "Silicone valley crashes and loses almost half of its value because of Stack Overflow going down for maintenence for a week"

[@kaisenwastaken]

@@samiahmed4799 He said “during his job” meaning he’s already employed.

[@fnatic118]

This is what I was just thinking 🤣

[@moo4700]

@@samiahmed4799 wow ok cool but who asked bro

[@icanspelle6050]

“Grading on a curve is evil” tell that to every professor I have

[@vagasint.4345]

TactialF1sh the curve will save my grade tbh god bless the curve

[@saskiadenboer3239]

Only the us grades on a curve lol

[@rhettwinwood6302]

@@saskiadenboer3239 the UK grades its GCSE on a curve. It's insane because it means we cant compare grades across years.

[@saskiadenboer3239]

@@rhettwinwood6302 wow, didn't know! I'm surprised though tbh

[@Kier4n99]

@@rhettwinwood6302 yeah you just have to hope your generation is the dumb one lmao

[@juhaniu6371]

One time in high school we were allowed all sorts of cheat notes on one maths examn, but they had to be self written. The point was, If you spend Time to write those notes and understand how to use the things you write, you Will also learn in the process. There was no point writing down formulae that you didn't Even understand nor couldnt use in practice. It was a great way to learn!

[@timmurphy5541]

I used to prepare for exams by doing all the past papers. The lecturers rarely did anything truly new - same kinds of questions with the same kinds of answers. I often wondered what good it was that I could only pass in this way. It wasn't too far off from cheating.

[@OmegaVestoLord]

The price of tuition has inflated to unbelievable levels. Students quite literally cant afford to risk not doing well in a class.

[@ezra4566]

That's what sucks about the us

[@brianallen140]

So your takeaway from this is that cheating is ok because college is expensive? Some people just can't be helped.

[@TheKusarigama]

@@brianallen140 yes, you never had any financial issues if you can't see it whats more stupid, is that much of the university scoring system doesnt make any sense, its just made to cut a big portion of the class into having to repeat exactly the same course again without changes to what you "learnt"

[@OmegaVestoLord]

@@brianallen140 it's not about being "ok", it's about reality. If you commercialize education to the point in which it becomes a commodity, people will treat it as such and try to obtain the greatest result with the least effort. It's clear colleges prioritize their bottom line, so why would students not prioritize the end result of grades?

[@brianallen140]

Keep blaming everyone else for your choice to be a shitty human. Pathetic

[@hoangtran4736]

"grading on a curve is evil" i wish more people adopted his ideas.

[@electro_yellow9295]

Bruh

[@doofus33]

@@electro_yellow9295 what is curve

[@jacksonenglade6054]

@@doofus33 If people all do poorly on a test, the teacher will make the test worth less points so that everyone's percentage goes up. It can suck because like he said it makes students compete. If one person gets a 100% then no curve.

[@doofus33]

@@jacksonenglade6054 I think curve is good thing..

[@eggyrepublic]

@@doofus33 that's not what "grading on a curve" means in his case. Some teachers gives you a grade solely on your percentile score rather than your actual score. So if you scored the most points in your class, you get a 100 regardless of your actual score. However, if you scored in the bottom 10%, you get an F even if you had a score of 90.

[@mikemesser4326]

This is the best explanation I have ever heard. I have tried to tell students something very similar - but I wasn't talking about cheating. I was just tutoring or being a TA or Lab assistant. I would tell them the basic stuff they were learning was the building blocks of their career. They needed to develop those skills to get through later courses. I think I was lucky. We never had a case of cheating when I went to college - at least none that became known (like large numbers).

[@DarkAngel-tm8ke]

*I cheated through school because I want to be a politician.*

[@Trench303]

Dark Angel lmao

[@farenhite4329]

Politican class: Where your ability to cheat IS the test.

[@68air]

Dark Angel is Joe Biden's pen name.

[@hinata5736]

@@68air Lol Trump paid someone to write his entrance exams for university...

[@68air]

@@hinata5736 Go look up the speech that Biden and classic plagiarism of Kinnock. Then we'll talk soy boi.

[@willypete8155]

“I don’t wanna fly an airplane that was engineered by someone who cheated in this class” Boeing: HOLD MY BEER

[@Lithiim]

Bruhhh

[@Moneyfromaps]

programmed*

[@sean5431]

Another one... Big oof

[@epistomolokko]

next time be careful about what you joke about mate

[@ninor3079]

@@epistomolokko What do you mean? Why should he be careful about a joke, it's just a joke

[@guitarcleveland]

What I've learned in all my years of working, besides just being plain lucky, is that the people who do the bare minimum amount of work, but who are good buddies with the managers, are the ones who go straight to the top. Hard work gets you nowhere in most work situations. The harder you work, the more work you're simply given to do by your boss, while the phony baloney cheaters, losers, and suck-ups get promoted to the top and get paid a ton of money for achieving nothing, work-wise. That's the truth about the working world, from my experience.

[@HughJass-jv2lt]

Moral of the Story: *HATE THE GAME...* _NOT THE PLAYA!_ ☀️😜☀️

[@nuclearbwl]

Our professor was of opposite opinion. Why remember stupid tables and engineering coefficient (etc.) and then get tested from that? You will be able to use books, resources, the internet and your colleagues in your future work. Do the work and what is really important will stick around in your memory. We could use all the resources a person in reality could on his exams and we actually got to solving real problems. To this day, I remember the most from his lectures.

[@HughJass-jv2lt]

Agreed. My memory sux nowadays. Fortunately, my documentation skills keep me employed at my job 😜

[@foxxi_on_eggnog8212]

90% of people: “interesting, i shall take this information and do nothing with it”

[@merenish]

Rest 10% : " I will deliver this speech to my class"

[@Oscar_AH]

Blame the habit, though

[@LondonLock]

If im being honest learning to cheat and get away with it is one of the most usefull skills you can learn for 99% of jobs but most schools dont do enough to stomp cheating for people to actually develop those skills properly Not saying thats a good thing it sucks but it will get you ahead i've actually gotten jobs in the past by talking about how I was able to lie and cheat my way though things (mind you this is stuff like marketing jobs not doctors jobs or anything)

[@lil_jong-un6668]

@@Oscar_AH Not the habit, habit is easy to change, it's more like the pressure to always go up in scores without letting students to fail.

[@JS-hk3eq]

Wisdom that does not become action is stupidity. But, stupidity that does not become action is wisdom.

[@Cheese-sk4ky]

I have a feeling this was made way back where you couldn’t find answers to everything online. Oh, how times have changed lol

[@rubikfan1]

Google isnt cheating. We use it even in the work feelt. School is more than just raw information. Its learning a way of thinking. Google is useless if you dont know how to process the information. Thats why cheating wont get you anything in the long run. You dont know what to do with the information you aquert(my english is terrible i know)

[@Solbashio]

@@rubikfan1 uh.. Nah there's literal complete answers to worksheets online

[@rubikfan1]

@@Solbashio but no longer in the workfield when you work with stuff that nobody workes on yet.

[@MA-wt2xb]

It gets way harder to find answers online as u further ur education

[@jaafarkaoussarani9703]

@@Solbashio There are no worksheets in real life buddy. If you don't know what to do with the information you find online, you're done.

[@slickperspective2745]

I cheat in exams. Yes. Friends used to call me, "the Gadget Guy" because I cheat in numerous ways and I luckily, I pass all subjects during my degree. But I only cheat in exams and not in everyday life. I don't cheat my wife, my parents, people whom I dealt with, friends, cheat in my work, no I don't cheat.

[@HughJass-jv2lt]

Man with Principles ☀️😎☀️

[@StuartHollingsead]

In A&P class, I loved it. I studied hardcore, reading chapters 2-4 times, writing my own questions. It was the height of my learning at that time. The teacher gave out tests that were multiple choice. But they were pretty damn hard. He did this for almost 2 full semesters. Then one test day, out of the blue, he slaps a fill in the blank and essay test on the class. No one was prepared. Everyone in the class failed the exam except for me. I got a 72%. I barfed up quotes and filled the pages with long definitions and answers, even quoting the page number in the text book. But when I got to one question, "what are the six characteristics of the knee joint?" I listed 6 characteristics which were subheadings in the textbook. I quoted text in each subheading and the page numbers. But the teacher marked them wrong because he wanted the names of the six ligaments. I wrote out a letter to him, asking him to at least subtract the question from the test. I used logic that was sound. He didn't even read it. I handed it to him, and he threw it in the trashcan before i even left the room. From that moment on, I cheated on his tests. I got the questions before hand for every test and memorized them and the answers. Do I regret doing that? Yes and no. He was a prick, but I was only hurting myself. I still had to learn overarching principles of my life, and where they fit in my life. Now I work at a hospital and I strive to be the best in the department.

[@bradleygalo4775]

Bro is built different, evidently.

[@jaxkal9596]

72% you studied your ass and thats what they give you?

[@HughJass-jv2lt]

What is "A & P" class?

[@triple6keyz497]

that’s why you guys better stay healthy. your surgeon could’ve skipped page 10 of their textbook

[@chadzahirshah2588]

@@alexandra.v No that’s the dumbest fucking comment I’ve ever read so far in this comment section

[@chadzahirshah2588]

You think you can just walk into medical school all clumsy and shit and then walk out still clumsy and stupid?

[@morasoftwood8224]

I- **visible fear**

@@poopheads Wtf?!

[@badza47]

@@poopheads LOL! I miss when I killed people man, those were my glory days

[@tingwesley3285]

imagine cheating in the 90s, like you have to write everything down and basically study to cheat.

[@isaac7337]

no thats just studying dumbass

[@thomas-tk6ce]

I’d rather spend time carving answers into a pencil than memorizing them fuck the system

[@bigrunts9768]

@@isaac7337 thats the joke

[@sirduxdaedalus8561]

​@@thomas-tk6ce I once got all the answers on my hand for a test back in middle school. Good times.

[@bvedant]

it was also easier to get away with it back then.

[@zexybaddies]

Who else is on a binge of these professor's lectures?

[@WhiteShadow01]

I worked hard through college. But I cheated where I needed to. I was a business major, supposedly we're the major most infamous for cheating. But I never cheated off another person's paper, per se. I would find ways to sneak my own notes into tests. Now I'm an accountant. Every aspect of my job has a trail. Everything is recorded. If I'm ever unsure how to do something, all I have to do is look back at the history of how it was done before 🙃

[@F_a_V1]

I've never cheated in college so far, but I'm tempted now. Only because I hate biology and it's unnecessary for it to be a requirement for accounting.

[@SkippyMC]

business major exams: revenue - expenses = ______

[@WhiteShadow01]

@@SkippyMC C = N(d1) St - N(D2)Ke-rt Where d1 - ln st/k + (r+σ2/2)t / σ√t and d2 = d1 - σ√t

[@jaymiggs2045]

College board paying youtube to recommend this to us before the ap test

[@_cynth_wave]

Ngl that's like the first thing I thought seeing this lmao

[@jidu.]

Fr😂😂

[@jaymiggs2045]

@The Name shut up that shit was off dome

[@Navajonkee]

@The Name "Nobody will ever appreciate unfunny jokes" directly followed by "1100 people who liked your comment". Well, it seems over 1100 people do appreciate 'unfunny jokes', although I believe that they would consider this 'unfunny joke' a 'funny joke' if you were to ask them. Gee, could it be that whether something is funny or not is completely subjective, and is a matter of personal opinion? Boy, that would be crazy. I guess you should chill out. Though I doubt that you had much chill to begin with, considering that you've answered to a 4 month old comment with the sole purpose of picking a fight. Talk about unfunny.

[@Navajonkee]

@The Name 1100 people liked it because they found it funny. It's that simple. Calling them idiots because they are not you, and they don't share your snobbish view on things is a pretty ignorant thing to do. Seems like you didn't quite grasp what I was saying about subjectivity.

[@jackmayor4905]

“I don’t wanna fly on a plan that was programmed by a guy who cut class” *boeing recalls the 737 Max

[@lorenkargard8303]

It was about saving money trying to keep up to the EuroBus

[@apollocreed2089]

I don’t want to fly on a plane that was built by a bunch of diversity hires.

[@pirozigzigwam8594]

@@apollocreed2089 Nice bait bro

[@IAmHereForeve]

@@apollocreed2089 I don't think Boeing is a bunch of diversity hirings so it makes it worse.

[@IAmHereForeve]

@@apollocreed2089 The moment you think other people and races are stupid is the moment you start becoming stupid.

[@TheFuryHasCome]

If what’s on the test doesn’t apply to your job or career and your future depends on it, it’s going to be hard not to consider cheating.

[@dexx0272]

I like your profile pic

[@Boz196]

I don’t go to university to learn, I go to university so I can get that piece of paper and then get an actual job where I can learn. I’ve been doing an accounting degree for 3 years and most the stuff I learn is completely useless. I’d know 10x more about accounting if I just got a bookkeeping job straight out of school and worked there for 3 years.

[@inferious777]

"I dont want to fly in an airplane that was programmed by someone who cheated in his class" -> 737MAX

[@tomusi]

That was exactly my first thought.

[@ClassyJohn]

facts. people fucking died for that bullshit.

[@flisko123]

@@ClassyJohn link?

[@pierrecurie5188]

@@flisko123 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmPXpn6fnt-hqbs

[@the-real-zpero]

except the reason why those planes crashed was because they outsourced the electronics to a cheap indian company that pays their employees less than $8/h to write code for an airplane. The same company that was made coding mistakes in the past that were caught by Quality Control before making it to final product. Eventually they were going to miss something. What they should have done is not try to cut costs by outsourcing to poorly trained workers in india and hire well prepared american professionals instead.

[@amateur-madman3047]

“I don’t wanna fly in an airplane that was programmed by someone who cheated in his class”. Yeah, you got that right

[@lordlopikong6940]

Well, courses like those requires practice exams. It's like cheating on your driver's test but how you gonna cheat the practical one?

[@Predated2]

Depends on what classes they cheated in and why they cheated in those classes to start with. I cheated in classes that I felt had nothing to do with my future and that simply lacked my interest. Heck, I've learned more about politics through twitter doing it's thing than I've learned from civic classes. I doubt any single person has an issue with me cheating in civic classes when creating a large batch of chemicals, considering I excelled at optimalizing concentrations and have been a chemical prodigy. Dont add civic classes into a chemistry major. Its never going to be used, its only distracting and it encourages cheating in a course for no reason.

[@Man-sz8ep]

I don’t think I would want to fly on a plane programmed by one person either.

[@user-ns9pq4tl4n]

Foreshadows Boeing 737 max

[@godlygumbo]

@@Predated2 Same bro. School really be teaching the most useless shit sometimes.

[@JoichiroYukihira]

The best thing that a teacher can do to teach his children properly is to teach them that failure is okay because you still gain something more valuable than learning. That is why I suggest to give them to hit the gym to grow more muscles as a metaphor of learning. You will surely fail at each set but still you feel better doing it because it will give you more fulfillment in life. If a gym is necessary, give them the right way of doing it. Besides, the people who don't want to learn are people who bears heavy toil of working hard labor. So giving them this lesson will surely teach them to apreciate that life is harder than what they are expecting.

[@BobbyDirt]

The most refreshing part about this speech is that he pulled off a rape joke and no one got all bent out of shape.

[@HughJass-jv2lt]

Wasn't really a joke... More of an observation

[@wu2166]

He speaks so truthfully that even auto generated captions are 100% accurate

[@kurosakisuzuki1142]

Is it actually townie and not towny?

[@eeeeeek]

@@kurosakisuzuki1142 its tony

[@kurosakisuzuki1142]

@@eeeeeek then I guess it’s not 100% accurate?

[@eeeeeek]

@@kurosakisuzuki1142 im just joking XD the correct one is townie.. i think

[@kurosakisuzuki1142]

:0

[@dequavisjeremiah8605]

I like how this was recommended to me after I cheated on a test

[@jasminelee3935]

They know

[@na77-]

The man is always watching

[@spacelevator]

I just procrastinated for two weeks, cheated on the assignment that’s due in an hour and now karma is making sure I know how fucked I am

[@AidenPearce806]

Dequavis Jeremiah Big Brother is watching you

[@pk-fi1ok]

@@AidenPearce806 You stollen my comment. That is why BB will be now watching you (too), not me. Lol :)))

[@KamuiAlmighty]

When the colleges/universities stop cheating me out of tuition money, time, and a quality education in general, I’ll be glad to listen to anything you have to say.

[@enjoyitbro]

Well you CHOOSE to go there

[@KamuiAlmighty]

@@enjoyitbro That’s always the answer, isn’t it? Just don’t go. Yeah, you’re right. I can choose not to go. I can also choose not to become a lawyer, or an engineer, or a medical professional. If your chosen certifications or licenses require a college degree as a prerequisite, you simply *have* to go. There’s no way around it.

[@createone100]

I SO agree with this professor. It is about your own moral integrity. I am old now, but never will I forget my first year English professor, who called out one student in our class mercilessly (how I cringed for her!) because she cheated on an essay. I was just 16, and already had a fairly good sense of myself, and wasn’t about to cheat, but boy, did that event hit home. For me it is about intellectual honesty, and is something I have always put a very high value on.

[@jamey1929]

“The way you do anything is the way you do everything.”

[@THECHOSENONE-dx8lp]

Evan Smoke?

[@OfficialDugu]

How you do anything is how you do everything

[@OfficialDugu]

@@diegopascual101 No.

[@OfficialDugu]

@@diegopascual101 no

[@OfficialDugu]

@@diegopascual101 noye

[@alfianodamanik]

And parents say “Stop watching youtube, you wont learn anything”

[@MikhaelAhava]

I watch tutorials.

[@justaguy7003]

They are right, we’ll all forget this exists in a week. Unless you’re creating something with the knowledge, it vanishes all too quickly and leaves behind vague baseless emotion.

[@blauwbeer556]

@@justaguy7003 no, i still remember the physics videos i watched from a year ago, in fact, i will go back to those videos to see if rember them all.....yeah, completly. mainly because i was actually interested in physics and such and i learned some pretty cool things.

[@harveybright8348]

@@justaguy7003 yes, but we will forget that single equation told to us by a teacher in an hour. Let's be real, KZbin is more entertaining, which makes it more likely for information to be implanted. Who are kids gonna listen to, a disconnected boring adult that feels like a chore to listen to, or the norm modern age technology that makes it just that bit more interesting?

[@justaguy7003]

Stick Man That’s fair, and perhaps my point was a bit hyperbolic. However, I think it still stands that KZbin is vastly an entertainment platform rather than an educational one. Some entertainment has good educational value, but I hold fast in stating that unless you’re actually putting those teachings to practice (following and expanding upon the tutorial or lesson), you forget all the detail rather quickly and are left with vague and sparse tidbits. It’s great for discovering interests, but it also can leave a lot of people feel like they know a lot where they know very little.

[@Phlegethon]

I’d like to see which kids took this speech to heart and where they are now

[@Acererak__]

“Grading on a Curve is Evil” At last… a professor has finally said it out loud for everyone to hear

[@GIRUUUR]

Why this shows up to me straight the day before exams ?

[@extraterrestrialhorse9722]

Same here wtf

[@aryamansharma9555]

IKRR!

[@tmoneytechnic]

this got recommended to me an hour before my final.

[@sarong4292]

youtube knew i cheated on my midterms last year using my side eye to the smart kid on my left. i still failed it.

[@starfall8659]

Same :)

[@tenzenchang-otanez5659]

if you don’t cheat, you’re only cheating yourself

[@HughJass-jv2lt]

😂😂

[@dawibong9013]

This man is speaking facts and now I’m not cheating on my DNA tests.

[@gotdemnoscopez]

Aight ima head out

[@pixelz1199]

@@gotdemnoscopez saying "aight imma head out" doesn't even make sense in this situation.

[@supersecret604]

@@pixelz1199 aight ima head out

[@BibtheChib]

@@gotdemnoscopez See you later homie.

[@imasiontist653]

@@pixelz1199 aight ima head out

[@Onepidia]

I miss my teachers man School fucking sucked for me personally but I was lucky enough to have teachers that actually cared about me

[@tz7763]

"What are you going to do when you get a job and the person sitting next to you isn't doing the same thing" Make it up on the fly, cutting every corner along the way and still get paid.

[@JonathanXLindqviust]

"You condemn yourself to doing something you do not like doing." That's a great point

[@dizzysleepers5005]

I sensed this lesson prior to clicking. But always good point.

[@Ryan-nq3qp]

I think it's actually a bad point. When you're doing a course, there will always be things you hate doing that have little to do with the core of your course or little to do with the job that you will have once you graduate. Cheating on those modules would not be condemning yourself to do something you don't like doing, it merely means you hate this one module and want to get it over with as soon as possible.

[@Parvodocabelo]

Stew yup

[@voisart]

School is something that many people do not like doing, isn't it?

[@anshul9856]

Stew stop justifying your cheating habit , he's talking about general stuff. I can find fallacies in every argument if I took it out of context

[@lenap4956]

"it's not cheating if you don't get caught" -a random classmate

[@fille118855]

I’ve heard a different version: ”It’s not illegal if nobody finds out about it”.

[@xrayban2]

For once in french it's shorter than english : we just say "pas vu, pas pris" - "not seen, not caught"

[@jebvehxu566]

In the netherlands we say 'regels zijn er om te breken' witch translates to : rules are there to be broken

[@aidilnoor1123]

"Cheating isn't a cheating, unless you get caught"- D'arby, Jojo Bizarre Adventure

[@CooperTUGA]

-my teacher

[@Wolftatze]

This actually is true, it only bears a single problem: You don't need most of the stuff you learn in college later in life, especially in MINT. Yet, you are graded on everything, whether you are good at it or not. An example: When I studied Biology, I also had to do some physics and physical chemestry. While the latter could somehow barely fit in because of thermodynamics (enzyme kinetics has some reactions that work with them) and basic quantum mechanics (think calculation of light quants in photosynthesis), both were somewhat obscure and only made sense if you wanted to go into deep biochemistry/biotechnology instead of the three other main branches; genetics, microbiology and zoology. But then you would probably switch right into Biotechnology to begin with (which was a shared module with them, so both Biologists and Biotechs had to do the same thing). Physics, on the other hand, had no business being in either of them. Knowing and estimating planetary movements? Calculating how much a bridge would oscillate? Learning endless facts about different theories regarding energy transfer and conversion? All of this was only used by very specialized doctors long after their master thesis, but taught in bachelor. I sometimes joked about how we were being prepared for Xenobiologics, for when the first ships would visit other worlds, and everyone agreed. It doesn't make any sense. And yet, we were tested in it. And about 60-70% failed, every single year. Many of them very talented in genetics or zoology, just failed because they couldn't wrap their head around how to calculate the amplitude of an oscillating bridge swinging with 500kN initial energy. Now, is it fair to not cheat those kind of exams?

[@nu6552]

@Wolftatze I am in the exact same position. Studying biology, obligated to score well on chemistry, physics and maths. I have no problem with maths because I know (a small part of it) is gonna be useful one day. Sure, the chemistry related to biology, like for example photosynthesis, is interesting. However, I have no interest in knowing or understanding all of chemistry. Same goes for physics. By the way, did you study at KU Leuven in Belgium? All the terms you are using for subjects are exactly the same and we also have that shared module with biotechnologists.

[@Wolftatze]

@@nu6552 I know that struggle. It will get better in Master, as I have heard from friends. I jumped off at some point and became a biological technial assistant. Less payment, more labwork and far less theory. I will probably become a proper biological technician next year, when I finish the next state exam. So there is a way out without university. I did study at Brunswick Technical University, Germany. However, an acquaintance went to Leuven after Bachelor. We stayed in contact for a while, and she told me that it was basically the same everywhere in the EU, since about 2010 when Bologna was introduced. What field do you hope to get into?

[@robertgroves8691]

In middle school we had these really old desks with ink wells that had sliding square brass lids. It just so happened to be the EXACT same size as our mini times-table reference print outs that we were supposed to have glued in the back of our maths book. Well… I cut it out and stuck it in my ink well. Got 10 out of 10 every times-table test. In high school I excelled in most topics - but literally HATED maths. I was scared of the teacher, scared of being asked a question, in the bottom set - and in hindsight most of all scared that everyone else “got it” and I didn’t. Today I still don’t know my times tables. I’m still hiding it from my kids! (Not saying this for “likes”, but truly). Cheating might often start from laziness or looking for a quick win, but it is embedded by fear once you start down that road and can’t find back. Think I better confess this story to my kids - last thing I want them to do is repeat my mistake.

[@potatocatstar]

How did you manage to have kids.

[@robertgroves8691]

@@potatocatstar lol. Luckily my wife didn’t require me to pass a maths test before we got married 🙂

[@potatocatstar]

@@robertgroves8691 amazing, hope you all are doing well

[@HughJass-jv2lt]

​@@robertgroves8691 I have no regret about all the cheating i did 😂😂 Oh well. Atleast I never keeled anybody i suppose

[@shlongslapper3k34]

In an alternate breaking bad universe where Hank and Walter changed lives

[@mistermeatcake1785]

gomez we have to cook!

[@thegoldencompany4191]

" AINT THAT RIGHT GOMEY"

[@nabeelshahzad1738]

top tier comment right here

[@eedeatlikkle3652]

Breakfast for Flynn

[@guythatlikesbananas6293]

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[@rdrumbeats]

Him: Don’t cheat Me in math class the next day: THE NUMBERS MASON WHAT DO THEY MEAN

[@kal-el5470]

Nonsense , i even cheated my seminar by making someone do it for me , got praised by teachers and students for it too lol

[@ben15yearsago64]

kal-el 5 what are u on about he’s making a cod reference 😂

[@kal-el5470]

@@ben15yearsago64 meth methmatics

[@malachiventura8295]

Ben • 15 years ago fr this shit funny and he just wanna get all literal

[@rdrumbeats]

Ben • 15 years ago lol yes thank you for understanding

[@TheBitingBat]

I was stellar in school, never cheated at all. But then the grades became more demanding. School became less about learning something because it mattered and more about simply doing exactly as the teacher tells you or failing. That's when i started cheating and ultimately became disillusioned with school.

[@TataePeerawatLaoarun]

One of my classmates often cheats the exams and quizzes, and he has a very high GPA at the end of every semester. He is able to apply various collages due to the fact that he has a high GPA on the other hand, I can apply to merely some collages.

[@TataePeerawatLaoarun]

In my country, if you have a decent GPA, you will have a bright future.

[@HughJass-jv2lt]

Moral of the Story: *HATE THE GAME...* _NOT THE PLAYA!_ ☀️😎☀️

[@hellboy19991]

I rarely cheated in my school career, but when on a professional school you are learning things that got deprecated 23 years ago with the introduction of html 4, you have to question yourself why you go to that institution in the first place. I didn't go there to learn, I went there to get a piece of paper.

[@xocomaox]

That's why I don't hire based on credentials, I hire based on experience, character and verifiable skillsets. Coincidentally, I did not go to college.

[@wisico640]

Aww man, I came here for some positivity, yet this is so true for most "education" now...

[@oskarstobinski4522]

I mean thats how this kind education works, its for the job market an to Position yourself in it. The whole system is based around it

[@Badjazy]

Can depend on what you learn. It's good if you know what you want to do, but bad for just the sake of it. A degree for example is good in IT but not required to get a job in IT. Of course there will be a cap, but you can always go back.

[@kevinstefanov2841]

EXACTLY, my computer science degree started off with JAVA!! Can you imagine? Not knowing the basics like variables, memory and functions AND ALREADY being forced into learning OOP shit like inheritance and polymorphism. Java is the reason it took me (somebody who was probably overqualified more than 99% of the new students, having come to the degree from a super advanced mathematics course in highschool that only had 6 people left at the end, having started with 30) all the way to the start of second year when we started C++ to finally start getting the hang of programming after barely passing the Java exam. It was THEN and C++ that allowed me to finally go "Oh... so all this oop shit that never made any sense is actually only optional and you dont have to use it." Do you think it was because I was too dumb to get it in the first year? I dont think so.... And it is for this reason that no matter what, I will always have a sharp burning hatred towards Java and OOP in general. Even more so after having watched a few videos by prominent ENGINEERS (no, not regular programmers, cuz these aren't really engineers these days like they were 50 years ago) that tell us how and why OOP has failed and sucks and even ITS CREATOR hates on it at the moment. Oh and dont even get me started on the topic of programmer these days not really being engineers (you can often find software "engineers" who suck at and claim they hate math), I have devised a very simple test to check if the programmer you're talking to is an engineer or not: Ask him 1. What her/his favorite programming language is, 2. Ask him/her what the difference between sine and cosine is. If they say something like python/c#/java and/or even worse that they hate math, you're talking to a pathetic funny wannabe engineer. Anyway, back to the topic of why my computer science degree was a COMPLETE JOKE. The most technical thing we ever had to do was write half a compiler in Java that didn't even go to real assembly, but rather to some made up "intermediate" language. And yes, you read that right - a compiler IN JAVA!!! Who the fuck writes compilers in java??? I have a feeling my university actually got paid to teach Java, because ask any serious programmer and they will tell you starting with an OOP-forced language makes zero sense unless the university got paid to teach it and produce funny code monkeys. While my friends at universities in the US tell me how theyre writing custom specialized OS kernels for homework.

[@LEAHKIM94]

I was here. October 4, 2019. Just in case that it was recommended again after 10 years.

[@kennypowers17]

mikmik ✓ I’m with you

[@onlyonemrxonlyonemry306]

Me 2

[@st.lopikongiii151]

F - this F will be the first for all generations of F

[@kaiky1807]

So... you cheated?

[@notreidd6350]

same

[@slendydie1267]

Man I've cheated so much that I learned some stuff I can't forget. For example a teacher got mad at the class cause we were being loud and told us we are doing a 5min (a random question that you have 5 minutes to write on) on all of the ethernet cables that we've learned. Their abbreviations, the whats, whys, and hows of the cable even how to crimp one. Man I cheated on that shit and I havent forgotten a single cable like 5 years later still. Sometimes cheating is good.

[@HughJass-jv2lt]

So What were the cables you learned? ❤

[@God-hm5dt]

This is a very compelling speech but sometimes you just gotta work smarter, not harder.

[@jansommer5735]

Fully expected him to say “The reason you shouldn’t cheat is because if you are caught you will be promptly expelled and rest in pieces your debt”

[@alita8900]

Well, that's certainly a BIG reason not to cheat... But Little things like using mathaway on homework assignments aren't as bad as cheating on exams lol

[@williamwells956]

Not entirely true since some students don’t pay for their education but valid point

[@darpress9086]

I had a college professor that would go over the test questions a day or two before the test. Or sometimes he would hand out the test and go over each question with us. He would tell us the answer Nd explain why thats the answer. I dont know why but yrs later I can remember those answers. It was a totally unique way of learning.

[@AH-lx5nj]

That would actually help you learn better.

[@ericgrimes341]

One of my best professors in my upper division finance classes would do this. On the actual test he would change all the numbers, but for those of us who knew what we were doing, we didn’t need to study. We knew what to do. Because he was a good teach.

[@darpress9086]

@@ericgrimes341 Would he keep the same answers and just scramble the questions? Im assuming u mean since its finance have different numbers to the questions. Same question but instead for example 2. He would have 3. Thats not bad either

[@ericgrimes341]

@@darpress9086 I got more out of his classes than any other professor period. I took 2 of his lower division classes and his two upper division classes. Robert Donchez at CU Boulder. Used to work at Solomon Brothers when the government shut them down Lehman Brothers style. The man was involved in some shady shit. Exactly the type of guy you want teaching the next generation to be successful.

[@YEP753]

damn props to Your prof

[@BrianKim-ih4qh]

“If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying” - Abraham Lincoln

[@foop145]

I mean, definitely agree, but if it's for a gen ed, I'm flexible. My school forced us to take this god awful class, where the teacher didn't have any idea what he was teaching or why, and yet made us all buy SEVEN textbooks, of which we used maybe three pages from two books. Our grades were determined by our attendance, and a final exam. No quizzes, no homework, none of that. Oh yeah, and HE GAVE US THE FINAL EXAM THE DAY BEFORE WE TOOK IT. I was the type of student who didn't do much homework, but got through because my class participation was top notch, so you'd think I'd be godlike at a class with no homework. Nope. I've never cheated for anything before or since, but I was backed into a corner. I'd tried my best to pay attention, but i had no idea what the teacher was trying to communicate, and the exam had nothing to do with anything we had touched on in the class. So I squeezed every answer I could onto a notecard I cut up so I could palm discreetly, feeling guilty, but also angry enough at the bullshit to do it anyway. I get to the exam, sit in the very back row, and the guy closest to me has his entire notebook open, sitting on the floor. Barely making any effort to hide it at all. I couldn't believe it, but it made me feel better to have a comrade. I did feel some type of way about how hard I'd worked to cheat discretely, while this dude had a whole ass notebook lol So the teacher is walking around, observing us all to try to prevent us from cheating. Turns out, the back row was the wrong choice, because even though there's a wall behind it, you can get between it and the back row, and this is a place the teacher decides to go when making his rounds. I keep track of where he is, and make sure my card is well hidden. But the guy with his notebook open doesn't give a fuck, and the teacher walks past him multiple times, and says nothing. Bear in mind, what the teacher is walking on puts him a foot or two above the ground level we're on. This gives the guy a perfect line of sight to the other dude's notebook, so unless he was looking for cheating on the ceiling, there's no way he missed it lol After the test, I told my friends about this, and they admitted they cheated too. So we started asking other people in the class. We didn't know everyone, but everyone we asked told us they'd cheated too, and that they'd discussed it with other people they knew as well. Everyone in the class cheated on the final exam. Everyone. We couldn't find one person who didn't, and nobody knew anyone who hadn't cheated. Had to be one of the most bizarre classes I've ever taken. In hindsight, it was probably a class our ambitious department head wanted, but nobody knew how to teach it. I remember him emphasizing how crucial it was to our education, and cracking down hard on anyone who skipped. So the unfortunate guy who got stuck with it just kinda winged it, knew it was complete bullshit, and did what he could to ensure it wouldn't impact our GPAs. Pretty sure we all got A's. I'm still pissed he made us buy all those damn textbooks, but it was allegedly a history class, so it was probably part of the facade to trick the department head. It's actually kinda elegant how the teacher managed to conjure up a non-class which both satisfied our overzealous glorious leader, and didn't really ask anything of us, outside of being bored for an hour every other day or so. It was a crazy experience, and I'll never forget it

[@ShittingStar07]

Wow Thats wild.

[@SkywardPhantom]

"You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference." - Confucius

[@jospehstalin6379]

SkywardPhantom 10/10 comment

[@revolvingworld2676]

This comment now actually seems profound and important.

[@adityabharadwaj2031]

You ran the risk of getting caught cheating. Also even if winning through cheating doesn't mean anything, you still won, right?

[@entropyofallcreation]

@@adityabharadwaj2031 People who cheat tend to be short sighted. The teacher is talking about the long term and you only have the capacity to think of those five minutes after you "win". Life is a series of battles.

[@ArmoryArchive]

Kain Sanchez People who cheat also tend to be aware of the fact that if the system really did care about us we wouldn’t have to cheat it. If schools cared more about educating their students rather then the appearance of that school then students would cheat far less if at all. Why play the game fair if the game itself is rigged.