Stadler and Tour: The Newest Hit Comedy Duo!

James Tour is back at it with more tantrums and science denial, and this time he's brought a sidekick! It's Rob Stadler, the clueless creationist. Together they fumble through a half-assed attempt at addressing the field of systems chemistry, the centerpiece of origin of life research, likely because hundreds of people have been bringing it to Jim's attention to mock him for flat out ignoring it all these years. What ensues is comedy gold! After we tear through their pathetic interaction, we chat with another one of Tour's former colleagues, Kevin Ausman, who much like Andrew Barron in the previous video has some great stories about how James is a lying fraud. Grab the popcorn!
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[@TheAdeybob]

I love it when these charlatans get so convinced by their own prowess, that they try and pull their BS on specialists in the field. Tour At The Round Table was priceless.

[@RivBank-o3j]

18:44 I love how he says, close your eyes and believe because I think most Christians close their eyes and pray💀💀

[@stephenconnolly3018]

He look like a scared five year old on their first day at school. Head down hoping no one would notice or speak to him.

[@idahogie]

Creationists are the "flat-Earthers" of biology. And James Tour is the Nathan Oakley of creationism.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Accurate comparison

[@bosunbones.8815]

I was ready to jump to Tour's defence here but after thinking about it I couldn't. Oakley is one of the most vilest men in the FE community, right up there with Santos.

[@blakksheep736]

Who's Nathan Oakley?

[@etch-e-sketch4051]

@@blakksheep736Sweet summer child, you're better off not knowing.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

​@@blakksheep736 This is an example of something better for Google than the comments.

[@MythVisionPodcast]

I freaking love these videos Dave! These apologists probably go to bed having nightmares that a new Professor Dave debunk was released.

[@Nxck2440]

Love your channel Derek!

[@pkats9093]

The man, the mythvision, the legend, Derek himself in the house! Good to see you here also. Keep up the great work

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

We are MythVision!!! James Tour has MethVision!

[@GameTimeWhy]

I dont think apologists are smart or honest enough to feel anything from these videos.

[@captainofthesky8890]

James tour: we shouldn't have a 3000 year old Babylonia idea in text books! Also James Tour: i want my 2000 year old book in textbooks!

[@yellowbacon69]

Literally

[@SigmaValence]

@@jrojala NPD

[@Wh40kFinatic]

My thoughts exactly when he said that. I laughed so hard. XD

[@dead-eyedarrel3878]

Jim, somehow: "reject traditionalism, embrace modernity" but he's defined modernity as traditionalism

[@danmorgan712]

I entirely agree that creationists are some combination of liars and idiots, buuuuut.... the bible isn't 2000 years old. I'm totally nitpicking, but I always feel like it's necessary to remind people that the New Testament is, at best, fanfiction, written a century or more later.

[@tcaprecap1448]

I believe Dave's catchphrase "science isn't dogma, you're just stupid" might apply here.

[@yellowbacon69]

Correct

[@K4inan]

Dogma isn't just, you're stupid science.

[@erneststyczen7071]

i didnt like this new one, it sounds weak due to clear insult. the "if you dont understand, thats not my problem" was more savage

[@juhanipolvi4729]

@@erneststyczen7071 Agreed. That's savage without having any insults

[@johncromer2603]

I need that on a t shirt

[@gotankz4698]

Listening to Dave constantly shit on James is one of the most fun ways to learn about science. I picture groups of scientists watching these videos going 'OHHH BURN'

[@MF______]

That's actually exactly what happens 😅 We had a fundamentalist in our institute for a few month. One of my colleagues found out they were quoting Tour quite often - and then came Dave. The fundamentalist left but Dave visits us during lunch with every new debunk since.

[@atasukecetin90]

@@MF______I’m so jealous, must be pretty hilarious 😂😂😂

[@MF______]

@@atasukecetin90 yeah, it's fun. But those aren't our productive days to be honest 😅 Usually, some drinking game is involved. For example, we take a drink for every hard burn Dave provides.

[@SnappyWasHere]

I can see undergrads making watching these into a drinking game. 🍺

[@MF______]

@@SnappyWasHere no undergrads in our case.

[@bengreen171]

"Standing for Truth " is one of the most delusional and dishonest creationist apologists out there. Gutsick Gibbon has a whole back catalogue addressing his nonsense.

[@seaofenergy2765]

Their name should be 'cant sit and listen to truth'

[@zach1425]

Aaron ra said they should be called like 'Lying for God' or something along those lines

[@GKuriboh]

Aron Ra. not Aaron@@zach1425

[@vicenteignaciodiaz7012]

​@@zach1425 If I remember correctly, he said the name "stooping for lies" xD

[@mjjoe76]

When “truth” is in the channel name, the content tells many, many lies.

[@wj2036]

Tour: I cant understand how it works, so God did it. So how did God do it? Tour: we cant understand how God does things.

[@Loading....99.99]

That's not true, Tour never said because we don't understand it therefore God did it.

[@wj2036]

@@Loading....99.99 that's exactly what he says 😂

[@Loading....99.99]

@@wj2036 do you have any reference that he said that?

[@wj2036]

@@Loading....99.99 it's implied everytime he lies and misrepresents science. We don't have to watch someone commit a murder to know that they are a murderer. Just as we don't have to hear Tour explicitly state a fallacy to know that he is engaged in fallacious argumentation. Quit trolling

[@DerIchBinDa]

@@Loading....99.99 James, is that you?

[@leopard3131]

Hey Dave once again thank you , Tour is on the Rampage and we all appreciate your work. Just wanted to give you some ammunition. I am not sure if you saw this but there was just an elegant publication on chirality. See "The studies were published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on February 5, 2024, and in Nature on February 28, 2024. Together, they suggest that the emergence of homochirality was due largely to a chemistry phenomenon called kinetic resolution, in which one chiral form becomes more abundant than another due to faster production and/or slower depletion." Donna Blackmond, PhD, professor and John C. Martin Chair in the Department of Chemistry at Scripps Research

[@Nxck2440]

Is that new info? I remember seeing in one of Dave's earlier videos he referenced a paper about enantioselective crystallisation which is similar to kinetic resolution in principle. It was also by Donna Blackmond.

[@leopard3131]

@Nxck2440 To the best of my knowledge, chirality in ool life research has been discussed for decades at least as far back as 1975. This is a huge step forward and debunks one of James's favorite argument (chirality) better than anything I have previously seen so best to pass it on to Dave and anyone interested in the topic. Unkile James's channel, people here may actually read and understand this publication.

[@Nxck2440]

@@leopard3131 James's homochirality argument has been weak just accounting for the most recent decade of literature now, but it's always nice to have another way to disprove him. I'll give it a read, thanks. Edit: ooh there are two new studies from her team, both this February. [1] Deng, M., Yu, J. & Blackmond, D.G. Symmetry breaking and chiral amplification in prebiotic ligation reactions. Nature 626, 1019-1024 (2024) [2] Deng, M. Yu, J., Darú, A. & Blackmond, D.G. Prebiotic access to enantioenriched amino acids via peptide-mediated transamination reactions. PNAS 121 (7) (2024)

[@rizzwan-42069]

can you explain it in simpler terms for me? very much appreciated.

[@leopard3131]

@user-rizzwan chirality refers to 3 dimensional shapes of biological molecules such as amino acids and sugars similar to how your right and left hand are mirror images. Biologic systems use only 1 of the configurations. James claims there is no way ool research can explain this and we are clueless. The 2 articles are the most recent in a long line of evidence detailing how this happened naturally no divine intervention or design required.

[@cinemaclips4497]

"We have actually discovered a perpetual motion machine." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Ivory-f5b]

Me and the homies at 3 am thinking we made a perpetual motion Maschine (we took apart our microwave and acomplished abselutly nothing) :

[@hiredfiredtired]

that joke was the best joke of the video. It gets you hooked like "what?? theres no way! this guy is lying!" and then he says the punchline, and i started laughing for a good minute

[@NeutralDrow]

Objection! James Tour still eats food...I think?

[@kemicalhazard8770]

No he does not. He lives on purely the raw emotions and fervor driving his religious crusade: Source: I am his microwave @@NeutralDrow

[@prestokrevlar]

These people really never give up trying to tear down learning. Never give up tearing them down right back, Dave!

[@dethspud]

No Primordial Soup for you!! He's like a Seinfeld character. 😂

[@Not_Fish]

“The Soup Nazi” reference!

[@KsThe20]

James Tour, looking in the mirror: "I'm going to end this man's whole academic career"

[@yellowbacon69]

Well done

[@patrickmcelrath4962]

“But I’m not a scientist”

[@stephenconnolly3018]

If tours taught this crap in British school he would sacked. But in the US he works as professor at Rice university. I think that says lot about the declining education system in America.

[@aperson336]

@@stephenconnolly3018it’s a private college… the government doesn’t have anything to do with it

[@NewWesternFront]

James Tour, looking in the mirror: “HURRRRRRRRRRR durrrr DURRRRRREEERRERRRRRRRR”

[@ianlee5812]

Jim's becoming the epitome of the quote "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!"

[@tsilarij-p3726]

Neil Degrasse Tyson said something like this: I have no problem if you preach at church. That's your first amendment right. But when you try to preach at school. Then we have a problem.

[@AdamMGTF]

Something I find interesting is we don't have separation of church and state in the UK. Yet we don't have any of these issues here. Nobody in this country thinks a religious explanation for xyz should ever be taught to our children in school. It's not an issue. It's strange it's such a big deal in the USA.

[@JaceDeanLove]

@@AdamMGTFit’s not strange if you lived here. Makes sense given how strong Protestantism is pushed here

[@AdamMGTF]

@@JaceDeanLove and yet here the king is head of the church and state and we have none of these issues. Sure we have "religious" ceremonys on TV IE. The coronation includes religion. Some other historical things do. But that's not pushing the religion on anyone in any way, it's just history. I'm sure Stephen Fry was in the church at the coronation and he's famous for being an atheist and viciously opposed to organised religion. How did you guys get in such a mess

[@JaceDeanLove]

@@AdamMGTF I’m not entirely sure. There’s a lot of history behind it. Jerry Falwell can be blamed for a lot of it

[@AdamMGTF]

@@JaceDeanLove I'll have to Google that name. Never heard of him

[@alextheskater]

I'm honestly living for this drama at this point... it's endless entertainment, and I hope Dave continues to profit off of these people's idiocy. How has Rice University not said anything about James yet? He's lying about other prominent researchers, and being dishonest, they shouldn't stand for that.

[@ErrantMasa]

Tour isn't costing RIce major grant money or tuition...yet.

[@austinestep8461]

I agree but they probably don’t want to fire him in case he sues over religious discrimination

[@AnAllAroundPlayerMaker]

​@@austinestep8461 how exactly?

[@JGM0JGM]

@@AnAllAroundPlayerMaker It won't be religious discrimination, but these charlatan scammers always use that card. Then it means that either the defendant (Rice U in this case) spends an inordinate amount of money and years on legal resources, or they agree on an NDA resolution deal that can make them look bad when the plaintiff uses that as an ambiguous claim that he was wronged. So all together, I'm sure their lawyers are telling them to stay away and wait until he retires, unless fraud/contract termination activities can be proven with 100% certainty.

[@Matoyak]

Rice is a private university, so that probably makes it easier.

[@davidhand9721]

That last story is heartbreaking. To hijack someone's funeral for an agenda is disgusting. I don't care if Tour was absolutely correct, that is not acceptable.

[@ravenclaw_3160]

Even though he's not...

[@nathanjacob2257]

Tour always provides a good lunch entertainment

[@PinkBeard9127]

It is nice knowing I am not the only one watching this while eating and laughing 😅

[@DabestPion]

Same lol food just tastes better

[@mr.arduinohaks]

Thought it twas only me

[@DurpenHeimer]

Bruh i thought i was alone doing this

[@CastIronFist]

Literally same

[@bdpickett]

Waldorf: This guy a relative of yours? Statler: No, but I wish that he was. Waldorf: You do? Statler: Yeah, so I could have the pleasure of disowning him. Both: Oh Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho!

[@nemanjalazarevic9249]

Waldorf: Statler, this isn't Fozzies show... Statler: You're right! This guy knows how to make jokes! Both: Do Ho Ho Ho Ho!

[@kingofthend]

I think deep down creationists know that they are part of a declining movement.

[@mjjoe76]

Yep. That’s why they are getting angrier and more extreme.

[@b_f_d_d]

They know it's a losing battle

[@Nxck2440]

It's boosted by all the 'reasonable' creationists coming to their senses and walking away from fundamentalism in record numbers. Only the most hardcore vitriolic clowns remain.

[@dstarling61]

The GOP is in the exact same position and reacting the exact same way.

[@babotond]

​@@Nxck2440evaporative clowning...

[@BigBuddyYo]

MISTER FARINA!

[@Zanenoth]

Thank you for exposing the DI. There are a lot of people in the area I live in that are susceptible to this type of thinking and I love being able to refute and educate people because of what you do for us.

[@emotivesneeze5418]

My jaw actually dropped when Tour brought up the Lee tweet again. Like, WOW. Wooooooow. "Oh well, he didn't SAY it was tongue in cheek in the tweet." Like yeah, no shit Jim. Is Monty Python and the Holy grail trying to be a good documentary because they never SAY that it's comedy, not history? What's that, obviously the comedians wouldn't be trying to make a documentary, and the film shows this? Well interesting, so maybe the Origin of life researcher making a fairly obviously strange cheek denouncing HIS OWN FIELD should've been enough to spell it out for you!

[@seedye]

It stems from the Biblical literalism. It lets him abdicate any responsibility for how he chooses to interpret what he reads. He didn’t choose to cherry-pick the abiogenesis literature, he was just reading exactly what the words say. If he came to a conclusion not supported by the literature’s or their authors, it isn’t his fault, the words he likes are in there. He doesn’t need to understand the context behind Lee’s words, or acknowledge the context exists, even after it has been repeatedly pointed out to him. The words are the words are the words. “La la la the tweet says ‘scam’…la la la I’m just literally saying what he literally said…la la la…” They’re all little Amelia Bedelias, only managing to survive - despite the relentless chaos they bring - because they’re so earnest, and might make an exquisite lemon meringue pie.

[@j.gairns]

It is just shocking how dim these so-called "educated" creationists are. 😅

[@enlacostaizquierda]

It's not really how dim they are but how dim they think their gullible audience is. They pandering to people who think talking donkeys and necromancy are real things. If that's the bar you're trying to leap over you pretty much can't fail.

[@kennymartin5976]

Creationism is a pretty self deceptive endeavor, especially in educated feilds. You have to deny so much evidence to hold to it. So these guys get all wrapped up in their own grift and its a bit of an cognitive dissonance. Why I'm pretty sure most, if not all of them know they're wrong, but admitting so means giving up on career long grifts that have earned them cult like followings. So they end up workshoping scripts until they find what hits, then they cling to it for dear life. I think thats why they get so upset by debunkings. They take it as an attack against the script of lies they so carefully crafted and hold so dear.

[@DeaconShadow]

They aren’t challenged in the slightest by their audience of morons. They don’t have to learn and grow.

[@stylis666]

It's amazing. I know jack shit about this level of chemistry, but when one creationist says to another that mistakes in replication are made and in cells it's less than one in a million, and the other creationists then, seconds later, says, RNA isn't life, I feel like I walked into a trap 🤣 Who is joking who? And who is the idiot? I'm supposed to be the idiot, right. I know nothing about this stuff, so why do I seem to be the one who gets that joke, and the two scientists don't seem to notice any problem with what they just said at all 🤣 I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! 🤣 I mean, if I'm making a fireplace, do I need the engineering skills and precision of someone who is building a nuclear powerplant? I kinda think I don't. Maybe I"m just dumb 🤣

[@leopard3131]

The problem is they are educated enough to be dangerous. They learn the words with the expresses purpose of proving God by presupposition, citing any evidence, usually in a distorted half true out of context sort of way, and denial or complete ignorance of any data that contradicts their presuppositions, despite public corrections. Welcome to Apologetics where an ancient text from thousands of years ago is true no matter what. More disturbing are the honest theists who accept all of science but then claim that science only shows how God works. Zeus throws lightning bolts by creating the necessary charge differential between the heavens above and earth below. Just because you understand electromagnetism does not mean there is no Zeus you fool! As there will always be unknown there will always be a God of the gaps.

[@StewPedassle]

You know, I'm starting to agree with Tour's mantra of "We're clueless." Though it applies only to James and his ilk at the DI rather than to humanity.

[@ErrantMasa]

with narcissism, every accusation is a confession

[@nemanjalazarevic9249]

As a wise man once said: "We are CLUELESS about the origin of life" little does he know that scientists are trying to become less clueless whereas hes doing the opposite: Hes becoming LESS clueless about the origin of life

[@RJS2003]

​​@@ErrantMasa It's almost as if he's screaming out to the world itself to hold him accountable. He'll never admit it but he knows he's guilty, why else would he go to such great lengths to say otherwise over nothing?

[@archapmangcmg]

@@nemanjalazarevic9249 Editing note: You used the wrong comparative from what you intended. "Less" => "more".

[@nemanjalazarevic9249]

How do you know he was talking about humanty rather than his playmates?

[@facundotorres175]

For any tour fans out there: both James and Dave live in the USA, if any of these allegations were untrue James could sue Dave for defamation, all he'd need to do is present the EVIDENCE that shows Dave to be wrong. This evidence would need to pass scrutiny, meaning it can't be misinterpreted or skewed by religious or political agendas. But he hasn't done it, in these three or so years James hasn't taken the one sure-fire way to stop "Dave's lies". I wonder why

[@g-9222]

Nail/Head.......Spot on mate. Preacher jim is just a raving lunatic and knows that as a scientist (I use the word scientist very, very loosely when describing the bible basher) that his days are numbered. Bible thumping jim really has no choice but to dig his heels in and go all out with his "GOD created everything" and OOL research is just nonsense, because in the scientific community he is rapidly self imploding and becoming a by-word for the phrase, "LYING PIECE OF SHIT", (YOUR A JIM TOUR.) I have followed Prof Dave from the very start of his war with the di and preacher jim in particular, and it is a war. It's a battle that ultimately we have to win to stop these lying creationists from trying to discredit the whole of the scientific community with their "god of the gaps" nonsense. Prof Dave is a level headed, well educated guy and is perfectly placed to expose these scum bags for what they are, (to quote Prof Dave) "liars for Jesus".

[@ErrantMasa]

also remember that Tour's Disco'tute paymasters couldn't defend their pet conjectures in a court of law either: see Edwards v Aguillard (1987) and Kitzmiller v Dover (2005)

[@helatard4272]

Thats a pretty good point and also tour has done so much plagiarism and stuff too

[@AdamMGTF]

How come the same doesn't apply the other way? The same with flat earth nuts who lie. Genuinely curious as I don't understand us law (or why you have so many of these cranks there 😂)

[@facundotorres175]

@@AdamMGTF in the case of tour vs Dave we have Dave actively calling out tour for lying, it is a simple person vs person defamation case While you can defame a corporation, science is not one unified entity that can sue or be sued. Specific scientists lied about by flat earthers could use them but the process may be more bothersome than it's worth. Moreover in tour vs Dave Tour can point to specific damage caused by Dave's '"lies" such as smearing his character, loss of business deals, emotional distress.

[@nati0598]

Jim can't drop science, because DI doesn't want basic preachers, they need people who can be used as an authority figure.

[@guytheincognito4186]

Well science is about to drop him either way. 😏 With 'science mean the community at large.😉

[@JGM0JGM]

When Tour says "we are clueless" he demonstrates yet again that creationists are experts at projection...

[@Arlondev]

It's so ironic hearing Jim talk about "Oh the primordial soup model is 3,000 years old and comes from ancient mythology" when... His entire argument is based on his interpretation of 3,000 year old ancient mythology. My dude is like "Gah, babylonian mythology is so dumb!" and then turns around to worship a god from a book that was plagiarized from babylonian, greek, and other mythologies.

[@eagjdhx9d282]

Along with being tainted by corrupt kings

[@tonyduncan9852]

It is hard, when you're not stupid, to understand *_how_* stupid STUPID can be.

[@PinkBeard9127]

Dave: A great sophisticated argument based on facts and objective truth James: NUH UH NO WAY THEY ARE SELF-REPLICATING

[@flyon9694]

+CLUELESS! lol

[@blakksheep736]

Me who thought that Dave saying that Tour's rebuttal is literally just "nu uh" was a joke at first: Me who was wrong:

[@raptorcrasherinc.9823]

MR. FARINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[@MrRolnicek]

How about a compromise. We can have both. We can keep all the science in the textbooks which satisfies the scientists and at the end of the book we can put a little note that says: "James Tour is clueless about all this" which is what he wants the books to say and has demonstrated thoroughly that the statement is true.

[@jscarborough9928]

Perfect! No notes

[@juhanipolvi4729]

But didn't James state "*WE* are clueless" ? Perhaps "James Tour and the DI are clueless about all this" instead ?

[@Crowbars2]

One thing that I don't understand about James Tour is that he's not a young earth creationist, so why is he so against systems chemistry and abiogenesis? He even said in the Harvard round table that abiogenesis must've happened with a naturalistic explanation, so why is he so against Origin of Life research? Is it simply delusion?

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

He is a young earth creationist. He just spews disingenuous bullshit to shield himself.

[@MenchisMenagerie]

It's amazing what people will say when the almightly dollar is involved, and hes clearly no exception to the rule. Its no surprise that people peddling these views either a) have ignorant people shovelling money at them or b) have someone with interests in keeping people dumb and gullible throwing money their way.

[@RivBank-o3j]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains 2:27 😂😂😂😂

[@cygnustsp]

Jim says he doesn't know the age of the earth but it could be billions of years and in fact life could also be billions of years, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't say it to the YECs he associates with.

[@Loading....99.99]

You guys believe in fairy-tales

[@nucle4rpenguins534]

As much as I enjoy the drama that Prof. tour and pals get; the showcases of frontier chemistry research is such a gem. This series has taught me so much on the basics for systems chemistry and ool research (barely knew anything of either field prior to this)

[@deadinmydreams]

Such a joy that others have come forward to expose Tour. It's like watching a terrible wreck. I just can't stop watching.

[@james-cz4xx]

This channel is my happy place. I've never been good at chemistry, but having someone like Tour makes me feel better. Especially when you call him out.

[@pharaohjb]

Sadly, I work with Rob at my company. I have to bite my tongue every time I run into him in the hallways. Edit: Just to be clear, I don't work directly with him (it's a big company), but sometimes operate in the same circles.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

If you have any stories of him being a moron, send them my way!

[@pharaohjb]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains Fortunately, he seems to keep his work as a medical device scientist and this garbage mostly separate. He's highly recognized and distinguished in the company. He does, however, prominently display his books in his office.

[@synthetic240]

@@pharaohjb If only he'd stay in his lane and rake in the accolades for his medical devices instead of publicly spouting off. Then he'd only be a pain the ass at parties. I'm guessing he's hooked on the praise he gets from religious groups. I wonder if he's aware how many of these American anti-science groups are also anti-Semitic?

[@austinestep8461]

⁠@@pharaohjbAt least he didn’t pull a Tour and get massively embarrassed at a big debate in his workplace.

[@pharaohjb]

@@austinestep8461 ...yet. ;)

[@ThorKillian]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *🧪 Systems chemistry studies how molecules interact, shedding light on abiogenesis, despite denial from some.* 01:25 *🤚🏻 James Tour dismisses self-replicating ribozymes, despite evidence, resorting to denial rather than engagement.* 02:49 *📚 Creationist Rob Stadler lacks qualifications, relying on flawed arguments to discredit scientific research.* 05:07 *🎓 Being religious doesn't disqualify scientists, but using religion to deny valid science impedes progress.* 07:46 *🧬 Self-replicating ribozymes have been demonstrated, despite claims to the contrary from skeptics like Rob Stadler.* 10:23 *🧪 Research focuses on RNA's capabilities, not prebiotic synthesis, despite misinterpretations from critics.* 12:34 *🔄 Creationists invoke "god of the gaps" argument, ignoring scientific explanations for complex processes like homochirality.* 16:11 *🏗️ Extant life complexity doesn't reflect simplicity at origin, akin to claiming modern buildings represent the simplest dwellings possible.* 17:50 *🌱 Ecosystems evolve gradually, and extant life complexity doesn't discount simpler origins, despite creationist arguments.* 18:37 *🔬 Science often defies common sense, and scientific inquiry is guided by empirical analysis rather than intuition.* 19:56 *🧬 Many scientific concepts, including those in chemistry and biology, are not common sense and require diligent empirical analysis for understanding.* 20:52 *🤔 Discussions on origin of life issues can be contentious, with reluctance from experts to engage and challenges in bridging scientific understanding with public perception.* 22:45 *🔄 James Tour's arguments against peptide formation in water ignore research findings and rely on shifting goalposts and misrepresentation of scientific evidence.* 24:32 *💡 Scientific exploration aims to uncover natural mechanisms without presuppositions of supernatural intervention, yet challenges remain in understanding the origin of life.* 26:40 *📚 Scientific progress towards understanding the origin of life is ongoing, with acknowledgment of the complexity involved and the need for further discoveries.* 30:46 *🌊 The dismissal of the primordial soup model overlooks the concept of systems chemistry and the evolving understanding of early life emergence.* 32:09 *🧬 RNA-based replication, although less efficient and specific than modern cellular processes, showcases autocatalytic behavior relevant to the origin of life.* 35:13 *🔍 Comparing RNA replication to modern cellular fidelity overlooks the context of early life's likely tolerance for higher mutation rates and lower replication accuracy.* 36:12 *💡 Early RNA replication likely tolerated higher error rates, suggesting that perfection was not necessary for early life emergence.* 37:30 *🧬 RNA's complexity in a prebiotic world challenges creationist claims about probability, emphasizing the broader principles applicable to various sequences.* 38:24 *🧪 Mass transfer problem highlights challenges in sustaining reactions due to low yields and finite starting materials, contrasting laboratory vs. natural processes.* 39:44 *⚛️ Nature's ability to recycle and amplify building blocks counters claims of material depletion, showcasing the dynamic nature of chemical systems.* 41:56 *🔄 Protein folding is guided by thermodynamics, maximizing stability through electrostatic interactions, debunking misconceptions about its randomness.* 46:36 *🔥 Non-equilibrium thermodynamics supports the inevitability of life's evolution, driven by the import of free energy, contrary to claims of opposition from natural processes.* 48:54 *📚 Proposals to remove scientific explanations from textbooks in favor of claiming cluelessness hinder understanding and progress in scientific inquiry.* 50:47 *🤔 Lack of comprehension and misrepresentation of scientific models by certain individuals undermines informed discourse and perpetuates misinformation.* 54:25 *🛑 Misrepresentation of scientific research and threats of legal action inhibit open dialogue and progress in scientific understanding.* 55:22 *🎭 The video fails to delve into RNA replication despite its title, with Rob cherry-picking a single Joyce paper to discredit the entire field.* 56:14 *📉 Former colleagues like Andrew Barron and Kevin Ausman expose James Tour's pattern of hyping and plagiarizing his work, highlighting a Nature paper on flash graphene as particularly fraudulent.* 01:14:19 *💼 Spectral analysis reveals James Tour's 2020 Nature paper on flash graphene lacks evidence, with critics deeming it no more than graphite with minimal graphene, exposing the hype parade surrounding it as fraudulent.* 01:16:34 *🔄 Despite admitting doubts about his path, James Tour continues his divisive actions, prompting ongoing scrutiny and exposure of his scientific practices by colleagues and critics alike.* 01:17:58 *🕵️‍♂️ The installment concludes with a warning to James Tour, urging him to choose between being a scientist or a preacher and advising him to embrace his role as a preacher due to his tarnished scientific reputation.* Made with HARPA AI

[@willfire0310]

As someone who was raised in a young earth creationism community until high school and given the diet explanation for darwinian evolution. Thank you Dave for exposing these conmen for what they are while explaining how things actually work. I’ve learned more about evolution watching your videos than my middle school ever taught my

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Is evolution a mindless, guideless process?

[@willfire0310]

@@Loading....99.99 yes and no. The factors that influence change don’t have any direction, it’s all random. The factors that determine how changes affect the species aren’t random. It’s based on how effective or detrimental those changes are to a species chances of survival.

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@@willfire0310 do you know how the first life got started?

[@willfire0310]

@@Loading....99.99 me personally, sort off. I get the general concept of systems chemistry where inorganic molecules like react to form more complex molecules that lead to simple biomolecules, some that can self replicate, however I still have a ways to go on my understanding of chemistry before I could explain in detail. I probably will never be able explain it in full because I’m not an origin of life researcher or a systems chemist. nor is my major centered that. It’s fascinating, but I have bigger priorities as far as my studies go.

[@davidwatson2399]

​@@Loading....99.99 Do you know how life started ?

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

thanks to Kevin Ausman for his clarity + conscience. It takes bravery to speak up, even when you're secure.

[@TheMoonRulesNo1]

I've been really enjoying learning from your book, Is This WiFi Organic. I've also really enjoyed learning various things from your channel. I'm just a simple layperson, I'm not going to school for chemistry, or physics, or any of the other topics you cover. I'm simply curious about how stuff works. Thank you so much for your incredible content.

[@raptorcrasherinc.9823]

Science is amazing. I am studying chemical engineering and I love listening to stuff like this even if it is not related to my field.

[@jermsbestfriend9296]

Dear Dave, I know this isn't your most popular video, but it's so important! My people really appreciate what you've been doing to di! Thank you!

[@jamierichardson7683]

It is my favorite actually and have watched it an embarrassing amount of times

[@jermsbestfriend9296]

@@jamierichardson7683 yeah I fall asleep to his stuff. Wish he'd get one of those DJ velvet voices

[@rcavicchijr]

Kevin Ausman is right, calling out misinformation and standing up for truth is more important than ever. Bravo for him for coming out and speaking up about James. Keep it up Dave, we need to keep these lunatics away from the education system.

[@91Ferhat]

That extended comment from you on his jab regarding "common sense" was absolutely gold!

[@devinusleton6634]

Not understanding chemistry is one thing, but actively not understanding probability is wild

[@andersonisowo9603]

Standing For Truth in a Professor Dave video? were getting closer to that Gutsick Gibbon x Professor Dave combo every day!

[@Nxck2440]

SFT is terrified of Erika, he'll dodge if Dave and her do a collab

[@Marniwheeler]

​@@Nxck2440Standing For Truth is pretty sad, I was surprised when they didn't go under after the first 6 months, when they had absolutely no strong arguments.

[@TheLedan]

we got one now

[@hansweichselbaum2534]

Excellent work Dave! Keep exposing them. As a religious scientist myself, these creationists are deeply embarrassing.

[@dikchez8090]

At this point, he should realize that he doesn't have to put this much effort into his deception. He could literally say "Science is doo doo" and his audience would join together in a celebratory hymn.

[@jonathanpicket124]

If the half-life of nucleic acids was really only a few hours, then every biology lab in academia would be in trouble. 😂 We keep primers and plasmids for literal decades without significant degradation or loss of function! It's insane to me that people I know (some who actually have Jim on their advisory committee) actually think this guy is intelligent...

[@galileog8945]

He is not very intelligent in general, but it is funny that he makes pronouncements in the biological sciences, where he has absolutely no clue. There he really sounds stupid.

[@Nothingseen]

This new turn to the Tour saga has been WILD. I wouldn't have thought this was where it'd go.

[@RJS2003]

Same here, this has easily got to be the worst info yet. Kevin's story about Rick was genuinely heartbreaking and now that I know it I think I finally understand the scope of the monster James truly is.

[@Nothingseen]

@@RJS2003 It's interesting because it makes so much about Tour make so much sense. We started this journey like 3 years ago with a lot of questions about how a respected chemist could end up spouting nonsense for the Discovery Institute. How did a dude with that many publications and that much clout become a guy screaming 'GO! GO! GO!' But we know why now; he's a narcissistic zealot who only has the respect he does because he stole it and used the influence from his stolen credibility to entrench himself. Each nick that Dave put in his reputation was a deep, deep threat: it could topple the entire structure of lies and manipulation that his identity and career was built on. A youtubeman making videos about how Tour doesn't seem to know what he's talking about was serious and dangerous to Tour, because once people started noticing how he was out of his depth here, they might start looking at what he did. They might start noticing the patterns he tried to hide. They might just topple his whole thing. Tour isn't a respected chemist who's faith blinds him to an area of research he doesn't like. He's a manipulator who thinks everything he doesn't like is beneath him and who needs constant external validation to keep away the emptiness inside. That's why he has no way to re-establish authority. That's why he's so openly antagonistic and quick to jump to conclusions. That's why he can't engage with people who are begging him to just talk to them like normal human beings. Because behind the bluster and the anger and the zealotry, there's nothing but a void. A hole in his heart that he thinks Jesus filled, but that only James himself can.

[@BoneySkylord]

Something I love about this series is…. OK, James, when are you taking Dave to court for libel? You stand to make a phenomenal fortune in damages! Oh, you’re not doing that? Why not? Is it because truth is an absolute defence in such cases and you know full well that Dave’s every word is completely true? 🤷‍♂️

[@KeriRautenkranz]

Unfortunately, such Frauds hold great power and desire much more. Equally unfortunately, the Separation of Church and State has been dying for decades. And most unfortunately, a large segment of the population supports them wholeheartedly. Thank you for your tireless efforts Professor Dave.

[@MrGorillafist]

To borrow a term from SciManDan that I believes applies pretty well to all science deniers: Personal incredulity is not strong evidence against anything.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

Why am I not surprised that Jimbo was the Elon Musk of his department, abusing his power to push people around, incapable of taking criticism and constantly coming out with half-baked ideas that he would take no criticism of despite the fact that he'd clearly not given them the slightest bit of thought.

[@galileog8945]

I was surprised that his "flash graphene" is junk, and yet he hypes it through countless videos and press releases...while claiming OOL researchers hype their work. I knew he was a religious creep, but I thought he a was credible scientist in his field. It sounds like he is a fraud there as well. His utter ignorance of chemistry, on the other hand, is painfully displayed in all his videos.

[@quadrewplex6782]

​@@galileog8945After all, Benner got a billion compounds in his ribose borate experiment, because Jim couldn't read the NMR

[@gsggshhhh455]

Just can’t get enough of these videos!!

[@Haytidaho]

If they keep digging like that, they might finally learn a bit of geology. Gutsick Gibbon will be pleased.

[@GeistView]

I like how the creationists talk of replication as if its 1 action with 1 cell in the beginning (they always speak in a singular not a plural). How did they come to the conclusion that its not trillions of cells across the planet trying trillions of ways to replicate across the planet?

[@Cheepchipsable]

Yes, it's more akin to entering a one-in-a-trillion lottery but having a trillion tickets, it's not one ticket for each lottery.

[@NeutralDrow]

Probably the same way Tour thinks nature could "run out of material." Like...I dunno, one combination fails, and the atoms spontaneously annihilate or someting.

[@Botmoppertheking]

Thanks!

[@chrisfarmer8430]

oooh! A lovely little cameo from SFT! Also known as Stooping For Lies!

[@mjjoe76]

Donny upholds the rule that channels with “truth” in the name are packed with lies.

[@klebbe1]

"The earth going around the Sun is not common sense." Damn, the flat earthers are going to quote mine the hell out of that i bet.

[@for_fox_aches]

I sometimes wonder how many times a day Tour thinks of Dave. Must be torture lol.

[@cesare7285]

I would love a film about them, it would be hilarious

[@austinestep8461]

@@cesare7285 Dave would only be in the movie once for real, at the Rice debate. All his other appearances would be hallucinations in James head and the movie would leave you wondering which were which.

[@cesare7285]

@@austinestep8461 yeah hahaha

[@jameshall1300]

​@@austinestep8461 sounds like a Nolan movie

[@cygnustsp]

Dave is a very busy guy. His passion is music and entertainment. I doubt he gives Tour much attention at all, except when he makes these videos.

[@borisbauwens7133]

One thing about Levinthals paradox that is being ignored: folding starts right at the start of translation. Proteins aren't formed as rigid uncooked spaghetti that then gets a green light to start sampling conformations. It starts directly, and often will fold in modular ways. If the first 15 amino acids clump together in a stable way, the next ten will have way less freedom of movement. At any point, the amount of amino acids that are actively in the process of folding their backbone, is smaller than the total length. Also, think about it. Can *every* backbone bond angle be sampled? Of course not, because there are trillions upon trillions of combinations of bond angles that would cause the total molecule to physically intersect with itself, as if noclipping. All those possibilities are physically impossible, and shouldn't be summed.

[@Yoursss_Trulyyy]

Thank you for posting your sources/evidence. I love videos that provide sources. It means they have nothing to hide.

[@davidtydeman1434]

James Tour - the gift that keeps giving 😂😂😂👏👏👏

[@Mike-Untstinks]

He admits that he regrets getting into all of this. He's falling for the sunk cost fallacy. I'm sure if he's reprimanded for any of this in the future, he can cry foul, go work for some creationist institution, and be an example of a "persecuted" scientist.

[@galileog8945]

You hit the nail on the head. I think deep down he longs for his cross (symbolically) so he can be as great as that guy Jesus he loves so much. Crucified because he dared stand up against science in the name of God. A martyr, a saint...that is probably what is in his sick mind. He is fit for a case study in the Journal of Psychiatry.

[@_Omega_Weapon]

He already works for the Discover Institute (a creationist organization)

[@galileog8945]

@@_Omega_Weapon If he quits Rice as a disgraced crook, the DI will defund him. He will have to start his own ministry.

[@IdentityCrisis1581]

What really confuses me is that they think god spoke everything into existence and doesn't have to follow the laws of physics or chemistry any field of science. Because god is outside of all that. But then they turn around and try to use science to prove god. You can't have it both ways. You can't use science to prove a god that operates outside of science.

[@Wh40kFinatic]

With all the horrible, despicable shit coming out about James' time at Rice, I am really detesting him more and more. I used to think he was just some scientist mindlessly and dishonestly spouting Creationist nonsense, but seeing just how deep the rabbit hole goes, gives me a brand-new level of utter repugnance and disgust for the man. He needs to be taken down. Dave, you are to James, as Brian Deer was to Andrew Wakefield, or Harry Brewis (HBomberGuy) to James Somerton. Keep it up!

[@LordTails]

We are supposed to disregard some of the very concepts that help us in medicine and so many fields because Jimbo said so lmao. I had a biology professor who made a not-so-subtle attempt at discrediting the theories surrounding the creation of the solar system and of our moon, and gave definite creationist vibes. It was unreal on its own at a public university (mind you this was 12 years ago but still). Tour is a whole other level of unreal. All these years later and I do not tire of Dave debunking him and his ilk. Please keep it going.

[@nassattack]

"Actually we have discovered a perpetual motion machine, it's James Tour not shutting up about this" holy shit lmfao

[@RoozleDoozle-9210]

I’m happy that both Dave and his guests have been clarifying that Rice university doesn’t fully endorse James

[@marknieuweboer8099]

Golden rule: whenever a creacrapper doesn't like some scientific conclusions you can't confront him often enough with it. They hardly ever fail to embarrass themselves.

[@sillyking1991]

c'mon dude... creashitest was right there

[@andrewenneking9334]

Intelligent design has slowly been dwindling in part due to better knowledge today. I wonder when the growing mountain of evidence against creationism causes the last little nugget to just crumble apart.

[@mjjoe76]

It should have already, but religious con artists keep trying to keep it going.

[@Atylonisus]

Idiots don't understand science, period. There will never be enough to convince them that they aren't Existence's Special-est Special Smart Boys who Cracked the Code (TM)

[@istvansipos9940]

"I wonder when the growing mountain of evidence against creationism causes the last little nugget to just crumble apart." 1 generation after the last kid is saved from indoctrination. Stop all the scams TODAY, then it all ends 2044 - ish. yeah. it is sad.

[@asd35918]

They’ll just move the goal posts and continue pointing out things that haven’t been figured out yet, and recycle the same arguments as nauseam.

[@rickkcir2151]

Unfortunately that time will never come. As soon as something gets explained, or understood, they’ll move onto the next thing we don’t fully understand. We’ll never know everything, and God will continue to exist in that ever shrinking gap of our knowledge. Add on to the fact that they indoctrinate people from birth with this crap. It’s never fully going away, but hopefully it continues to shrink.

[@pseudononymouse]

Professor Dave, you work so hard trying to correct the massive heaps of bovine byproduct by these idiots. I have great admiration for your perseverance.

[@bigrid3554]

I love how Jim went from respected scientist with misguided religious opinions on abiogenesis to almost full blown out con man over the course of all these videos exposing him LOL

[@Nothingseen]

It's Hbomberguy-esque. I can't wait until we find out that Tour was the first Chemist allowed to work on the Sonic games.

[@XraynPR]

Its a bit similar to the Streisand effect I think. The Tour effect? Or just simply doubling down and people getting fed up with your nonsense and arrogance

[@bathroom_wizard]

Never stop fighting the good fight mate

[@Minty1337]

30:00 finally, a perpetual motion machine, imagine how much power we could make off of Tour's shouting and arm waving

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

Dave is wrong at that point, as Tour burns through lots of our patience and brain cells, therefore the released energy is not free.

[@Minty1337]

@@Schmidtelpunkt it's like nuclear energy, you just need shielding and reflectors to contain the energy and keep everyone else safe

[@l0rf]

I'm listening to this video literally in a lab working on transgenic organisms. It's good to know my work is literally impossible within the lifetime of several universes. Makes me feel important.

[@sonyadonnegan1983]

James complaining about “Babylonian myths” when talking about the primordial soup model is ironic considering he wants his 2000+ year old book of myths and fairy tales taught in the public school science curriculum.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

"It's dumb and wrong because it's thousands of years old!" says the man who says a book that is thousands of years old is absolute, inerrant fact.

[@hopelessnerd6677]

An interesting coincidence that Robert Stadler is also the name of a "scientist" in the novel "Atlas Shrugged" who invented a device that eventually killed him and a lot of other people.

[@yacaattwood2421]

I’d argue that creationists aren’t as religious or faith-filled as they purport - they commit lese majeste against the Eternal, N-dimensional, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Being they make stentorian proclamations about by insisting that creation was done in six days - their God is extremely limited What is 13.8 billion years to such a Being? These people are afraid, very afraid - there was a time when many humans worshipped the Sun, as it gave light, heat, caused crops to grow, etc. Then, an understanding of the sun as a reactor, a plasma field where hydrogen is fused into helium happened - and the Sun was no longer a deity. As humans gain further understanding of abiogenesis and others processes, the God of creationists is likely to lose place as an object of worship

[@Kiwipai]

It's downright fascinating that they think closing your eyes and believing your gut is the opposite instead of the same as common sense.

[@fostena]

Wonderful video, Dave 😊. Dunking on James Tour never gets old

[@jamesduncan3673]

My response when I saw the title of this video: "Oh f*ck!"😲 This is definitely going to be both interesting and entertaining.

[@stonykark]

In first aid classes they teach you how to do the “heimlich maneuver” on infants. Common sense tells you “don’t beat the choking infant” but that is, in fact, how you perform the procedure.

[@davidmessick1551]

This is the same guy that claimed he saw Jesus in his dorm room 😂

[@georgerobins4110]

The “cutting out a human heart” example is simultaneously so accurate and so funny, I love it 😂

[@glarynth]

Came for the drama, stayed for the research

[@brandonframe7655]

James is definitely the type of guy to label his tweets with "joke", "sarcasm", or "tongue in cheek" so I can't blame him for being confused by Lee's tweet. Dave, you're doing God's work, keep it up sir! 😉🤣

[@quadrewplex6782]

At this point someone should make a James Tour bingo card for every new video of his script of nonsense that he never bothers changing

[@mjjoe76]

“CLUELESS!!!!” would be the middle Free Space square.

[@ryker3696]

These people try so hard! I love listening to Dave talk about this! Thank you!

[@bertokleine280]

Dear Dave, My compliments for having and finding the energy to unmask these semi-scientific bullshit. Like your vids, keep on the good work.

[@user-qy3xu9hg2j]

Has he just complained about a 3,000 year old theory? Um, pot, kettle.

[@l0rf]

Literally my thoughts when he started on that. "This bronze age theory is silly and inane, we shouldn't put any weight on it. Now here's my ever so slightly newer bronze age theory we should believe without question"... no self reflection whatsoever.

[@mik99D]

I knew a well respected physics professor who was also a Christian lay-preacher. He never talked about religion, when he was lecturing or at social events. But he was on a television proogram talking about his Church of England beliefs.

[@Fishfish157]

A James Tour video and it’s 1 hour long? Yes.

[@BoneySkylord]

The funeral story makes me feel physically sick with anger. I can just imagine poor Rick saying “…yeah…yeah…ok…Jesus yeah whatever…” just to get JimmyBoy to shut the F up and leave him alone, only for Jim to do his disgusting stuff - just like they tried doing with Darwin. 🤬

[@kennym3492]

Even if evolution was 💯 wrong. It still proves no creator.

[@Marconius6]

Sometimes I ask myself why all creationists and apologists are such dishonest liars all around. And then I remember you don't become an apologist or a scientist without eventually knowing better; so you either stop become a creationist, or you stop being honest.

[@archapmangcmg]

Honest, well-informed, creationist. Choose max two.

[@blakksheep736]

​@@archapmangcmg what does "honest, creationist" look like?

[@archapmangcmg]

@@blakksheep736 Honest but ignorant. It could be anything from pre-Darwinian scientists like Newton or Linnaeus to current-day people who never learned biology, whether that's literal children or adults who didn't pay attention in bio class or, sadly, those who were taught a sabotaged version of biology. They are honest but ignorant.

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

@@blakksheep736Somebody who really does not know any better. A simple but god fearing mind. Probably will also follow the ten commandments and therefore be quite okayish to have around.

[@blakksheep736]

@@Schmidtelpunkt okay thanks.

[@Inquisitor_Zama]

One quick point of trivial criticism: The mRNA in the vaccines is engineered with modified bases to be resistant to nucleases so that’s not a great example of the longevity of RNA, but this is really just a technicality.

[@antoniocardozo169]

if there's is a god, he despises James tour

[@tobiaszczarnota7879]

Maybe he would.

[@hesosol8997]

These are so fun! Haha I love that James continues with his incredulity despite plenty of publications in the field.