Can You REJECT The Holy Spirit After Receiving Him At Salvation?

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[@robertdages5392]

I saved this lecture. I will listen again.

[@sharonstanley2808]

June 8, 2023. It would be wonderful to follow Dr. Michael live!

[@kommissioned]

@@sharonstanley2808He sadly passed away in February

[@appaloosa42]

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[@artax7664]

How would you respond if I were to say that the person who “gives back” or “rejects” their salvation , never truly believed, and were never saved to begin with? This idea makes everything fit.

[@mustbsavdbyjesus]

“That which cannot be obtained with moral perfection can not be lost with moral imperfection.” Wow, well put!

[@briankristensen349]

Thank you for writting it.

[@bobforpples]

So, if a believer sins by no believing(moral imperfection), he no longer has eternal life?

[@ronaldsmith8237]

If that is true, that which cannot be obtained by moral perfection, which is our salvation. Then, it, our salvation, cannot be lost by moral imperfection. Wouldn’t that include a lack of faith also? To be consistent, we would have to conclude that a lack of faith is moral imperfection. Paul said that whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Therefore, any moral imperfection will not cause a believer to lose salvation, which would include a lack of faith. What does this mean? It means that a believer cannot lose salvation for any reason, including a lack of faith.

[@ronaldsmith8237]

Andrew, if moral perfection cannot give us salvation and the moral imperfection cannot cause us to lose salvation wouldn’t a lack of faith be considered moral imperfection? If that is true then if we were to stop believing why would that cause us to lose our salvation since it to is moral imperfection. When Mike Heiser teaches that a believer can become lost through a lack of faith he is wrong. to say that we become lost through moral imperfection would mean that he is contradicting himself since he is already insisted that the believer can never become lost through moral imperfection. He is inconsistent in what he is saying.

[@ronaldsmith8237]

@@bobforpples if you follow Mike Heiser’s reasoning on this then a contradiction appears. Because the lack of faith or belief is moral imperfection. Paul clearly said that what whatsoever is not of faith is sin if this is true then the moral imperfection of unbelief cannot cause the believer to ever become lost. Heiser is inconsistent in his own words the truth is the believer cannot and will not ever be lost for any reason disobedience rebellion or even a lack of faith will not cause the born-again child of God to ever be lost. Eternal security is clearly taught throughout the New Testament eternal security is not a separate doctrine from salvation. Once saved always saved is the gospel. If we are not safe forever we are not saved at all!

[@charlesmorris8791]

Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”

[@YahushasDisciple]

This is fantastic Michael. Yes, I’ve sinned, stumbled, screwed up, but I’ve never doubted who my savior is. 🙏🏼

[@Romin.777]

Amen

[@ralphj8943]

Amen

[@aaronhazlett]

I hate this very thought. I’ve been over it too many times. All I can do is hold tight. Man am I ever. And to all you believers out there, brothers and sisters, I love you. Any neighbors within earshot, I love you too.

[@keansalzer8364]

If every believer can't say the exact same thing they are either not a believer or they have been brutalized so much by toxic preaching that they have not only doubted if they qualify for salvation, but they have taken away their anticipated rejection by walking back into the flesh and rejecting themselves. Millions of self rejectors who are securely saved and loved. Like rape victims they spend their days mourning what could have been and carrying on.

[@amsterdamG2G]

@@keansalzer8364 at the same time there are people thinking they are secure but are working lawlessness....

[@thestraightroad305]

I miss Mike. I listened to Naked Bible podcast every day on my walks. I took his classes, loved his teaching, and the sound of his voice. The occasional snark and the firm insistence on allegiance. He helped me think more clearly and rightly about God. He transformed how I read the Bible and I love it more than ever. So glad I will meet him one day.

[@LouisaWatt]

“God won’t tolerate you believing in someone else.” Yes, that’s really important because things like the prosperity gospel teach a completely different God and Jesus. You must know WHO God is and what His character is like, otherwise it’s a false god.

[@keansalzer8364]

Sorry, but you've mixed apples with oranges. Prosperity teachers believe in Jesus as their savior for eternity. They don't worship an idol. They believe the adopted children of the King of Kings should have the same things that the King has...abundance and blessings. And they believe you can access the family goods by faith in action. Their teaching has raised many many people out of poverty. They have also caused the crash of many people's faith. They will pay a price for that. But when asked the question of Heiser's teaching "Who do you trust for eternal life?" every single one of them would say Jesus. That's Heiser's point. By the way...if you want to reject people from the Kingdom for preaching false doctrine why not include the overwhelming majority who teach you will lose your salvation by the choices you make and the sin you do. That segment of the preaching community is ten thousand times bigger than prosperity teachers. Sin Consciousness instead of God's Grace and Love consciousness. Those are the guys who are doing the real damage.

[@believewithyourheart5627]

Kean Salzer wow, that's very insightful, Thankyou

[@JR-yj8ig]

By their fruits you shall know them that is what He said. Washed by His Spirit we are made free from all sin. That is the fruit unto holiness whose end is eternal life. Salvation is a promise of God and God cannot lie. Loss of salvation for any reason fails to tie salvation and cleansing to His blood and Spirit alone. The blood and spirit are in agreement and of course holy. Let your conversation be without covetousness for He has said I will never leave thee nor forsake thee. Covetousness comes from the heart and it is idolatry. From the heart the mouth speaks. I do not enjoy this but if you believe God will forsake you for any reason you are a covetous idolater. This is why He says “I never knew you depart from me you workers of lawlessness”. Do we then make void the law through faith? Nay we establish the law and by the law no man shall be justified but by grace through faith. He never knew them because they were never saved and lawless because the carnal and covetous mind seeks to earn the free gift any way they can. Who the Lord loves He also chastens. When we come under judgment in this way it is so we are not finally condemned with the world. I can cite every word of what I have just said if need be. Incline my heart unto thy testimonies, and not to covetousness.-Psalm 119:36 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.-Psalm 37:25 Blessed are they that keep His testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.-Psalm 119:2 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.-Hebrews 13:5 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth Me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.-Psalm 50:23 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.-Mathew 12:37 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.-Romans 10:10 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.-Luke 6:45 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.-Mark 7:21-23 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.-Mathew 17:15-20 Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the Lord for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.-Isaiah 55:13 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.-Romans 6:17 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.-Acts 22:16 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.-1 Corinthians 6:13 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.-Romans 6:22-23

[@believewithyourheart5627]

J R Amen! God bless you

[@LouisaWatt]

@@keansalzer8364 so what you're saying is: if some people end up in hell for eternity because of the loss of faith brought about by the prosperity gospel, then that's ok because some other people got rich? That's the most broken moral compass I've ever seen. Also, you've not read Matthew 7:21-23 if you think that every professing Christian is going to make it.

[@user-yv1fh3fc8y]

Very well explained. Love is a decision and an on-going decision. God will never leave us nor forsake us but we can leave or forsake Him, Jesus said, …”Remain in Me and I will remain in you…”. John 15:4 Salvation is participatory. We have a role and responsibility in our salvation and that is to believe and remain in Jesus. Well done and we’ll said Dr Michael.

[@AeroZeppelin998]

That is entirely true, but at the same time “All whom The Father has given me none will fall out of His hand.” And, “No one can come too me unless my Father draws him too me.”

[@Jus4kiks]

@@AeroZeppelin998just as Michael Heiser explained this so simply, John 6 is the same - that is speaking about 1st century Jews who already had faith in God - hence they were His to give to the son.. and of course they would hear his voice, because they already had faith in God. John later tells us, Christ now draws all men to himself.

[@michelferreira333]

I'll miss your dearly, Mr. Heiser. I hope that you enjoy life in Heaven. I'll pray for your family. That was a very moving video. The Holy Spirit is so amazing, and I'm so thankful for the love that God has for us.

[@beppiek]

“I Hope that you enjoy life in heaven” Ya cuz it could suck😳

[@betrion7]

​@@beppiekNo. It's because we are not to judge who goes where.

[@lastchance8142]

"  "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."

[@35751W]

No need to pray his wife was remarried within weeks of his death. She moved on very quickly….almost like she was dating when he was sick.

[@kd2mill]

For some people, this will arouse fear in their hearts. Probably because they think eternal security allows them to behave like an unbeliever. For me, this was affirmation of God's commitment to me, because I have never stopped believing, even though I have let Him down a lot. I have always maintained salvation is a belief issue. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

[@merideewelsh8722]

I’m one in whom it stirs up fear in my heart, and I do not behave like an unbeliever and have no desire to do so. What causes me fear is the possibility I could no longer believe. That terrifies me. I hope in Gods power to keep me from unbelief. If it’s up to me, I don’t know what will happen. He came to me and gave me faith to believe.

[@sherrihoward8150]

@@merideewelsh8722 It’s not about how BIG your faith is, it’s all about Who you believe in. “If you’re falling off a cliff, strong faith in a weak branch is fatally inferior to weak faith in a strong branch. Salvation is not finally based on the strength of your faith, but on the object of your faith.” Tim Keller

[@HC-dn1do]

@@merideewelsh8722 I do not agree with Heiser on this at all. Scripture does not back up what he is saying. People who seem to no longer be Christians or no longer believe, were never true converts in the first place. Read 1 John 2:19-21. “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. But you have been anointed with the Holy One, and you all have knowledge….” The first set of people were not anointed with the Holy Spirit. Read also Ephesians 1: 13-14 talking about being sealed with the Holy Spirit. Then there is John 10:28-29. “ I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hands.” No one can - not even you can get yourself out of His hand. Also, once you become a Christian, you have eternal life. It doesn’t begin when you die. He says He gives it to us and we shall never perish. I have eternal life right now. I do not have to wait for it. Read also 1 John 5:13, “ I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.” You can have that assurance. No, there are no unbelievers in heaven. The argument that Heiser makes is a poor one. “If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away behold the new has come.” 2nd Corinthians 5:17. Once in Christ you are a brand new person. If anyone becomes an apostate, they were not a true believer as 1 John 2:19-20 says. I quoted the Bible not Calvin. This is not something Calvin made up as someone in the video said.

[@MsGreenmermaid]

​​@@merideewelsh8722 that sounds like an intrusive/ocd thought, ye it could happen out of a million other things that *could* happen but it has not happened...that's future, fearful thinking, who would put fearful thoughts in your mind I wonder? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤔 not God! The fact that being away from God distresses you says a lot y'know?

[@MsGreenmermaid]

​@@sherrihoward8150 💖

[@colincollinsuk3866]

I was saddened by the fact Mr Heiser has passed away. He was as I found a brilliant teacher and opened up a lot of the Bible for me in other than more ways than one. Ive both his books "Supernatural & Unseen Realm" and have watched many seminars of his. God bless you Michael and thank you for all you did. I do hope when all this is over I can give you a Hug in Heaven.

[@YahushasDisciple]

“The spirit of God is with us, and He doesn’t plan on going anywhere.” Phew. 😊

[@ronaldsmith8237]

The Spirit of God is the believers permanent possession. He is God in us! He is the promise and the guarantee of the believers eternal security. Unless you believe in the eternal security of the believer, you cannot and will not have the full assurance of your salvation.

[@defiantAnt9]

@@ronaldsmith8237 Exactly!!!

[@ronaldsmith8237]

God is bound by an oath. His own promise. He said that He gives eternal life to everyone who believes the gospel. This is God’s own promise, and He is honor bound to his word. If a believer could lose the salvation that God has given to them, then God is a liar; is this possible? Eternal security is not a separate doctrine from salvation. Once saved always saved is the gospel, it is the “good news” that Gods is true to His word. Rest assured, God will not lose you if He has saved you. He is going to keep you and take you all the way to heaven. That’s amazing grace!!

[@footsoldier1188]

@@ronaldsmith8237 yes eternal life AFTER we pass onto the next life IF we have STAYED grounded in HIM. If we do not apostatize, we WILL BE saved

[@brandedforchrist]

Ronald Smith believe is a verb not a noun

[@AsRolfes]

You're quickly becoming my favorite KZbin Theologian. Thank you! You are truly providing Miqlat for those seeking the truth of the Bible in plain language and exegesis.

[@dominicpardo4783]

Mental gymnastics and horseshit.

[@beckyfoster89]

Thank you Dr. Heiser I really needed this today . My heart has been confused lately and I needed to hear the truth . I am a sinner and without Jesus Christ I would be so lost . God bless you 🙏

[@jase5415]

I'm counting on my faith in Jesus Christ, being born again and sealed with the holy spirit otherwise I won't make it! Life is hard, especially if your not doing well financially. I pray God count me worthy to escape the coming great tribulation and be in heaven before the lamb of God unseals the scroll....as mentioned in Revelation

[@jefflowrythor]

Believers in the Savior Jesus Christ Son of God are set apart from the Tribulation, not to be confused with daily personal trials whatever those challenges may be. But we are set apart from the Tribulation defined in Revelation. I used to worry about how this all transpired until I really started reading and understanding the Bible. Get yourself in a good Bible study group, program or online type of program if you are limited with time shared with fellow believers. Remember we are not given a spirit of fear, but we do have a Loving and Forgiving Lord who knows our troubles. Lay them all at the feet of Jesus pray daily for wisdom, courage, strength put on the full armor of God. You couldn’t place yourself in better hands than the assurance of Gods protection through the saving Grace of Jesus, it is not by works but by the Grace of the Lord through Faith that we are saved. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, so if you have fear of the Lord rest assured you are on the right track. We all have to grow in faith and knowledge work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. I still on occasion go through fears, but when I lay my fears and trust in the Lords promises I rest assured he is always faithful.

[@cjnav7832]

@Hannelore Tepper Love your spirit! 😀 Blood doesn't actually seal, though. Doesn't say that. BUT the Spirit does "seal". Eph 1:13,14 The blood purges and removes sin. The blood purchases, because Blood is Life. He purchased with His life. Then we were sealed by our Father's Spirit. Bless u my friend! ~ cj

[@EdKidgell]

God doesn't 'count us worthy'. We aren't. But in Christ we are!

[@stryker5841]

@@jefflowrythor God never promised no tribulation,He did promise we would not see His wrath, big difference.

[@jefflowrythor]

@@stryker5841 Hello , I don’t recall denying that tribulation has been detailed as prophetic scriptures, especially related to the book of Revelation, my understanding is that the tribulations are are specifically for those who have no belief but may have the chance to in those coming days be redeemed however small that chance there is hope for them, however the scriptures do support the pre tribulation theology as I will detail below. It’s okay with me if you disagree. I love the Lord and have accepted His forgiveness many years ago. Jesus is the only way we enter the kingdom of God, through His unselfish sacrifice and shedding of innocent blood, that we ourselves could have never have paid. For the wages of sin is death, (spiritual death) we would not have escaped the grave, only God could do that and he did in the form of Jesus Christ. Praise the Lord. REASON #1: Not Appointed to Wrath The primary proof of a pre-Tribulation rapture, given by the “experts,” is this: we are raptured before the Tribulation begins because the Church is not appointed to wrath. Coincidentally, that truth is revealed in Chapter 5 verse 9 of TWO separate books of the Bible: Romans 5:9 and 1 Thess. 5:9. Please look these verses up for yourself, to lock them into your thinking. REASON #2: Kept From the Hour of Trial Jesus Himself told the Apostle John on the Isle of Patmos that we (the Philadelphia/faithful Church) will be kept from the hour of trial. “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth” (Rev. 3:10). Notice also that the world is being tested. Furthermore, throughout the Book of Revelation the term “earth dwellers” always refers to unsaved people. REASON #3: God and the Jews The seven year Tribulation is specifically a time for God to work with the Jews. Both the Angel Gabriel and the Apostle Paul make that point. Let’s listen first to Gabriel, who is God’s chief messenger angel and speaks for God Himself (remember as we read that the Tribulation is called “Daniel’s seventieth week”). “Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city…” (Daniel 9:24) The Church was NOT present during the first 69 weeks of Gabriel’s prophecy, and it will not be here during Daniel’s 70th week either. Gabriel specifically said it was a time frame for God to work with Daniel’s people (the Jews) and his holy city (Jerusalem). Next, let’s listen to the great Apostle Paul. Remember, we are making the point that scripture teaches the 70th week is a time for God to deal with the Jews. “…blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved…” (Romans 11:25) Here we see God’s plan. The final gentile is won to the Lord after we are caught away. After we disappear the blinders come off of eyes of the Jewish people. I personally believe we are in the time of Israel’s “jealousy” right now. The Christians love the Jews, support them, and defend them, even though the Jews have no deep love for us. But their “jealousy” turns to “anger” when we are caught away. They will be angry that we have left them without friends on the earth. This is explained in Deuteronomy and Romans. Let’s read it in Romans 10:19: “I will provoke you [the Jews] to jealousy by those who are not a nation [the Church]. I will move you to anger by a foolish nation” [the Church]. The inevitable result is God’s chosen people will be forced to turn back to Him, as they will have no friends left after we are gone. We see that in the Book of Hosea. The last line in Hosea 5 says: “In their affliction [Tribulation, indignation] they will earnestly seek Me.” It is unfortunate that it takes a series of catastrophic events to bring them to the Lord as a nation. Mike Bickle explains the situation like this: “God loves the Jews, but the Jews don’t love Him.” REASON #4: Escape Doctrine The rapture is our “escape doctrine.” Some scoffers have used that term derisively. Never do that. This escape doctrine is not to be ridiculed, since it was coined by the Lord Himself - words in red, in Luke 21:36: “ Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man..” REASON #5: We Receive Our Reward Revelation 11 makes it quite clear that we receive our reward while the earth is being judged. They are simultaneous events. Revelation 11:18 declares: The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead [saints], that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints [that’s us], And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy [concurrently] those who destroy the earth. After we receive our rewards, we return to the earth with the Lord. It is literally a new day. The 7th one thousand year day we call the Millennium. The Jews call it the long awaited “Kingdom Age.”

[@isaiahkerstetter3142]

I'm an orthodox catechumen because of your work. Thank you, Doctor, genuinely. Humans replacing fallen members of the Divine Council, God using material objects to effect spiritual change and the cosmic redemption of Christ were and are huge changes to my world view and faith.

[@footsoldier1188]

God willing I will be as well, continue in the faith my friend

[@sansleister3878]

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the AUTHOR AND FINISHER of our faith…

[@brendaevans1378]

I believe Jesus when He said whom the Father has given me no one can pluck them out of my hand 👏🏻🙏🏽✝️

[@etc7579]

Jesus says, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments."

[@Tigerex966]

Not to be saved but because you are saved.

[@julietwolf9464]

Thank you ❤️✝️ I needed this! You don’t know how much I needed this teaching, but God knows. May God put another gem in your heavenly crown, or a blue-eyed husky puppy in your heavenly dwelling, or a cherry red 57 Chevy in your heavenly garage, or whatever delights you most because you comforted a struggling soul on earth.

[@robertpillowjr.4473]

Michael you are such a blessing. For some reason my mind has been blocked to truly understanding salvation. You have opened my eyes to so much! Thank you!

[@sansleister3878]

Phil 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that HE WHICH BEGUN A GOOD WORK IN YOU WILL PERFORM IT UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST.

[@timwilliams2870]

According to this sermon!!! Phil 1:6 is conditional!! Unless you stop believing !!! This video is rubbish!! The mystery, one new man, the body of Christ, a new creature!!! A new thing!! HolySpirit doesn’t leave anyone who even once believed today in this dispensation!!

[@drummerboy737]

@ChristianRebel “Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.” - 1 John 3:6 (KJV)

[@stephanieedwards3341]

Phil 1:6. Thank you

[@PD-iu9bn]

Yep. Heiser misses the boat here.

[@debo0757]

YHWH DWELLS WITHIN ME NOW AND FOREVER

[@MrKurtn]

I listened today to a preacher I respect who gave a sermon from Romans. He was saying that it’s proof we can’t lose our salvation because of what Paul says in Romans. I always saw it differently and it’s always concerned me for others how the common teaching of once saved always saved is taught. The excuse for when a person walks away from the faith is that person was never really saved anyways. That teaching never has sat well with me. The sermon today mentioned because Paul says nothing can separate us from the love of God, and then goes on to mention examples, is how this belief is that we are eternally ok. True nothing can happen that would turn the love of God from us if we believe. But if we don’t believe then the love of God hasn’t failed or makes that Romans passage untrue. I believe like parable of the sower that there’s is no false believers and yet this is a life long journey that there will always be things that will try to take our belief away.

[@brandedforchrist]

My question is and will always be , if we are sealed like Dr Heiser says what about those who shipwreck their faith? Those who return to their vomit? Those who denied the one who bought them? What about those who will fall away from the faith? What about the lukewarm whom the Lord will spew out of His mouth?? Can you please reconcile this two teachings or is there even any reconciliation?

[@MrKurtn]

@@brandedforchrist Two choices right, believe it or reject it, says Michael Heiser. And I agree with that. He said we are sealed if we believe. We can be unsealed I suppose if we stop believing. And that is why when a person becomes a believer the fallen world will always be trying to push them to question, doubt, or deny that belief. Think about these religious muslims who will execute people if they say they believe. They give the people a choice to turn away from that belief and if they do say they turn away then they are allowed to live. The worlds is constantly attempting to turn us away from believing. We start with belief and have to end with belief no matter how bad our testing is. The Luke warm probably never really believed or "committed" anyways and so never had belief.

[@brandedforchrist]

MrKurtn the lukewarm believed but according to Jesus in Matt 13 the cares of life and the deceitfulness of riches chokes their belief and they don’t yield fruits of salvation , while others believe for a while but when persecution rises they deny the faith and that’s why we were warned of the Israelites who were saved from bondage but got destroyed in the wilderness.. we are in our wilderness in this world and not until we enter into the promise land, we must continue believing lest we fall away

[@MrKurtn]

@@brandedforchrist that's how I see it also. The teaching that once you say a sinner prayer your saved for life is just so destructive to the faith. It's set people up for failure since they dont feel they really need to fight temptation that hard. Which gets into (you cant earn your salvation). I think though, exactly by the scripture you quoted above, it clearly is saying we do have some responsibility to keep the faith. Every time we let the cares of life in we get weaker, every time we dont choose to be lead by the Holy Spirit we get weaker. Why else would it also say the devil roams around like a roaring lion to see whom he can destroy. I doubt he's roaming around for those who dont believe. True God will never leave us, but we can leave Him. And that's where the teaching of dont worry about anything, your saved is dangerous mind sets. Believing takes an action of the person. It takes a faith to believe.

[@brandedforchrist]

MrKurtn Well said sir ❤️✊🏾.. glory be to God 🙏🏾

[@komreed]

In practice, this looks like being renewed in the Spirit of your mind, having begun in the Spirit by hearing with faith, continue in Him by continuing to hear with faith

[@frank7106]

Thank you Dr Heiser for all you do for the kingdom. This is the kind of stuff we the people need to hear! its always in the back of our minds but we always rely on the preacher which in a lot of cases has a self theological pulpit to stand in. The plain truth is the best!!!!! You are the best!!!!

[@karlbekker777]

Getting my mind blown, whilst getting my faith jacked. Thank you LORD!

[@TheSuzma]

You believe it or reject it. Can a man or woman turn their backs on God? Well, yeah, how many people have come out as "deconstructing" their faith? The Word of God says in the last days there will be a great falling away. Falling away from what? Their salvation. I'm not saying God rips salvation away from us. I am saying our free will is always ours, and we are free to choose and to change our minds. It is foolishness to walk away but yet it happens. Can you lose your salvation? I believe you can, from your own decision. Hearts can be seared, people are handed over as reprobates . . . Just my opinion.

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

If it is possible, I do not think it can be done through accident, or being tricked, or anything like that. I think it would have to be a fully knowing willful decision to walk away from the salvation in christ.

[@johntrevett2944]

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

[@deborahd2936]

I’m struggling with my life and security in all of life and this helped clarify things for me about my relationship with the Holy Spirit in salvation. Thank you so much. ❤️

[@justinbachmann7888]

The logic of this man!!! God is so good, and he has used Dr. Mike tremendously to open our eyes to biblical doctrine

[@Bojanglesz89]

This video had perfect timing for me. I was talking about it with my wife. Thanks Mike!

[@dpierce7707]

I asked the Lord, “Why did you allow Dr Heiser to be taken so early and you allow wicked people to live so long? I feel like He told me, “Michael graduated early with honors, the wicked I sometimes allow more time that they might get saved.

[@ServantofChristMinistries]

This was an excellent explanation to a question that is so often made complicated by men.

[@dadkingcoffey8333]

this message makes me want to preach again ..it's been a long time and this really shook something in me and now I want to steal Mike's message . we know this message but Mike made it fresh again . THANKS MIKE

[@keansalzer8364]

It's not called stealing in God's Kingdom. It's called discipleship. And maturity.

[@keansalzer8364]

It's not stealing. It's called discipleship. You are free to use whatever is true to win others to Jesus.

[@theamazingkimmoth]

I always appreciate your content. I finished reading Supernatural last night! It was a great read, I learned a lot on top of reviewing what you often talk about in lectures. I gotta get Unseen Realm, I think that will be more of my reading preference.

[@episcopas]

He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. Phil 1:6

[@ronaldsmith8237]

That’s a good proof text for eternal security

[@episcopas]

@@ronaldsmith8237 No, it a good prooftext for God's preservation of His saints.

[@ronaldsmith8237]

@@episcopas it is God’s saints who possess eternal life (eternal security)

[@brandedforchrist]

If this is facts then why warn the church about false doctrines/pastors, falling away , living in sin, shipwrecking their faith, returning to bondage .. since God is going to do everything, why warn me about these dangers to faith?

[@lightofthehillministries]

Yet, the very next chapter says: Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, cultivate your own salvation with fear and trembling. (Philippians 2:12)

[@felipekennedy3135]

The Lord is with you , while you are with Him; if you seek Him, He will be found of you; but if you forsake Him, He will forsake you. (2 Chronicles 15;2)

[@CptMooney]

Well spoken Michael, as per usual. Thank you for your time and effort. God bless.

[@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630]

At the end he said it's a simple as this "If you believe, then you are eternally secure, if you don't believe, then you are not." Exactly... *And this means once saved always saved."* Because if you believe, then you are ETERNALLY secure. So... Do you truly believe? If so you ALREADY HAVE eternal life.

[@paulberry876]

What a breath of fresh air, someone teaching the Scriptural truth rather than denominational indoctrination. You can't fool God.

[@rolandt.flakfizer8208]

I dearly miss Dr. Heiser--he changed my life & made me a better Christian.

[@fazole]

John 15:6 NIV If you do not remain in Me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

[@ronaldsmith8237]

You have mis-quoted that verse. Jesus did not say, if you “remain” in Me. He said, if you “abide”in me. To abide in the Lord means to walk with the Lord, to agree with or be in harmony with. This section is not about salvation, it is about fruit-bearing and rewards

[@gerrydixon619]

@@ronaldsmith8237 the word for abide is meno - Strong's G3306 and can mean remain. Also, if you do not abide in Christ, wander away, reject Him, live a life comparable to the world, and we all know where the unrepentant world is going, you are a branch that is useless and it will wither and be thrown away, because it is no longer of any use.

[@gerrydixon619]

I agree with you totally. Jesus made it clear that we are to endure and abide until the end. That is why the path is narrow and as He asked His disciples, 'will you also leave?'

[@eugenejoseph7076]

The best exposition of John 3:16! Eternal life for all who BELIEVE!!!!

[@wendyraptureready]

Love this, needed to hear this today. Thank you, God bless you dearly brother in Christ 💖🙏

[@Jewel22268]

Great message!!!! I believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior!!!! He is the One and Only Savior of mankind!!!!!

[@Romin.777]

Amen! God makes it plenty clear He is with me! Haleluyah!

[@TheLookingGlassAU]

I needed this again. Far from being a scary idea, I find this profoundly comforting and deeply stabilising.

[@Michelle-zz7no]

So I’m thinking about this and this is what I personally believe. I’ve never questioned my salvation since I was born again in 1999 but I do believe that my action and behavior will determine how well I can minister to others. I believe God wants to use me for healing others but I believe that I can negatively effect my role and abilities by choices I make. What do you guys think?

[@keansalzer8364]

Remember, God used Peter mightily (with the Jewish converts) even while he was double minded on the issue of race. Paul called him on it publicly and hopefully this loving rebuke helped him heal whatever brokenness caused this racism. God will use even two tiny fish. Give Him what you've got to give today. Let Him be the judge if that is worth blessing.

[@brandedforchrist]

I believe we all have to make up our minds , I know exactly how you feel , I feel same way too and I know we have to lay aside every weight holding us back from obtaining that anointing for service that the Lord is calling us for... We have to become weak and helpless at His feet so that He can help us triumph over all obstacles

[@Michelle-zz7no]

@@keansalzer8364 thank you! God Bless!

[@Michelle-zz7no]

@@brandedforchrist yes! Thank you! God Bless!

[@baronreed8131]

Good assessment 👏

[@sawboss5794]

Not the only scholar of his kind but definitely one of the most pragmatic and passionate of our time. One of a kind.

[@jaredg5663]

Dr. Heiser, thanks for the presentation. I'm curious to know what your understanding of justification is, in relation to the forgiveness of sins. It seems that with a new heart or being born again of the Spirit necessitates an unchangeable act. So would you say that the declaration of righteousness is only given after we finish life, or at the moment we believe? Or do you hold to a type of synergistic understanding of justification, working together with grace to bring about final salvation? My understanding is that there are only saved and not saved. Not a saved at one point and later leaving the faith. Meaning that if someone is truly born of the Spirit, they are new, they are declared righteous. Therefore, if someone leaves, it just means they were never new. Thanks brother.

[@inTruthbyGrace]

this is right... we are the temple of the Living God and The Spirit of God dwells in us... but the Spirit of God left the first temple bc of the unfaithfulness of Israel... we need to guard our faith.. That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: (1Pt 1:7-8)

[@Navarrator10]

1 John 2:19 (LEB): They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us. But they went out*, in order that it might be shown that all of them are not of us.

[@scottmacfeat2568]

The Greek text here is admittedly difficult to translate. However, we can see in context that John's "they" is referring to false teachers (antichrists) who left the church and started teaching their own doctrine, which caused division in the church and some to leave the true faith. John is saying that even though these antichrists were once part of John's faith community, they were ignorant of the truth in the first place, which is why they didn't stick around. My point here is that John is talking about a certain group of people (people like Diotrephes, 3 John 9-10), and not everyone who leaves the faith. In other words, 1 John 2:19 is a timebound truth about certain people and not a timeless truth about anyone and everyone.

[@Navarrator10]

@@scottmacfeat2568 Yes sir, I understood that. However, if there was a situation in that time of the early church. Where there were some who seemingly were apart of the Bride. Then were later revealed to the rest of the Body of Christ to not have ever been genuine. Does that not allow for us to see how it is possible that those who "leave the faith" now, were never of the faith? Or are there some who are able to be snatched from the hand of Christ? Or were there never really given unto Him?

[@brandedforchrist]

@@scottmacfeat2568 were they not sealed with the Spirit after they believed at one point? How did they leave the body and became an antichrist since the Spirit never leaves? This is the confusion that raises when we talk just one verse from scriptures and say it's the whole counsel of God..

[@JulianGentry]

I initially had fear while facing this discussion. I worried about losing my salvation. I grew up learning about eternal security, and now MH tells me otherwise. The good news is it doesn't really matter about my fears, because I know in my heart I'll NEVER forsake God. I have doubts and fears, I certainly sin, but I never saw eternal security as license for sin because I was transformed by God. I'm okay with believing that salvation (through unbelief alone) can be lost, as I'm not afraid of that. I trust in Christ for my eternal salvation! Thanks MH.

[@brentarnold4442]

A weak start (i almost left the video) but an extremely strong finish! Awesome words as always, Mike! Love you man!

[@ronaldsmith8237]

I thought that it was a weak start and a weak finish. Mike clearly failed to articulate the eternal presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. If any believer could go to hell, than the Holy Spirit would have to go to hell with them! Jesus said that the Spirit will be “with” us, He will be “in” us, and He will “abide” with us forever.

[@wrknathome9254]

Christ intercedes for his people (believers) so their faith does not fail. We are secure in Christ. His finished work on the cross and present intercession is sufficient. God is at work in his people to will and do of his good pleasure. Therefore, we must workout our salvation with fear and trembling.

[@sansleister3878]

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

[@ronaldsmith8237]

What is this supposed to mean? Yes the believer can grieve the Holy Spirit; but we cannot grieve away! Why, because He abides with the believer forever! Dear friend, grieving the Holy Spirit does not result in loosing salvation.

[@CenturianCornelious]

@@ronaldsmith8237 That's what he's saying by posting that verse.

[@EndingSimple]

I really appreciate this word today. My body is breaking down and the symptoms of that are making it harder and harder to resist sin. Since I got baptized, my allegiance has always been to Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior, but my flesh has always been weak.

[@deemanrt]

So simple. Thank you Michael.

[@carld2796]

"This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent" (Jn. 6:29).

[@vintageragamuffin4570]

Why can't we accept that God is doing a great work in us and that He won't stop until glorification?

[@NMSUNSETGOURMET]

Choice, as GOD is a word we can measure in truth when written.

[@WFS-of9eq]

I miss Dr. Heiser terribly. Chuck Missler, Dr Heiser and Dr Andy woods helped me to understand many difficult scriptures. God bless each of them. See you all very soon. Maranatha/come Lord Jesus.

[@onehappydawg]

Great explanation. Me and some guys in one of my small groups have been debating this for awhile. I can’t get them away from the term “losing your salvation”. I keep telling them that gives the idea of one day you look around and freak out because your salvation is gone. I tell them that is not it at all. It is a conscious decision to stop trusting in Jesus for salvation. That is why Paul continually warned about not going back under the law. They always come back with, “well if they walked away they were never saved anyway” They just don’t get it.

[@ronaldsmith8237]

Believers can fail, fall, walk away and commit sin. and even have serious doubts about their salvation. This does not mean that they have lost their salvation. This means that the lack assurance or they are not growing in their faith. First, salvation cannot be lost, for any reason. Second, God will deal with a wayward believer, He will not lose them. Are we stronger that God? Of course not. Is not His grip on us stronger than our ability to loose ourselves from His grip? I don’t think so.

[@onehappydawg]

@@ronaldsmith8237 So as a believer I can become a Muslim and worship allah and say Jesus did not die on the cross and he is not God’s son, completely rejecting Jesus, and I will still have my initial salvation?

[@onehappydawg]

@@ronaldsmith8237 that’s what I thought…you can’t answer that question.

[@ronaldsmith8237]

@@onehappydawg in this entire argument we have failed to realize that God intercedes in the life of the believer. If a person has been truly born again, they have become a child of God. God expects obedience from His child, but that does not guarantee that the believer will live up to their position in Christ. When a child of God is rebellious, God disciplines and corrects the wayward child; Hebrews 12deals with this issue. Many passages in the New Testament actually teach that God can and does remove some believers out of this world. Salvation is eternal, the gift of God is eternal life. God does not give salvation and then, throughout the New Testament threaten to take it away.

[@ronaldsmith8237]

Please tell me, what joy, assurance and peace is there in believing that we could wind up in hell if we don’t prove ourselves worthy of salvation. I pity the soul that must wait until they die to find out if they are going to heaven! If they are depending on themselves, they probably won’t.

[@junebug5644]

This video is outstanding. I have never heard how salvation works so simplified and put this way. Actually put some notes on a sticky note to put on the wall of my office so I can remember.

[@diananickel3086]

praying for your health Dr. Heiser. Thank you, I so needed this tonight.

[@kerrief3414]

I go through periods of unbelief and frustration but at the same time I'm praying to God not to leave me!

[@alicenancy3]

Tremendous teaching. Thank you Michael Heiser. Reassuring!!

[@TheJCFan]

"And they have conquered him [the dragon/satan] by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.." --- Rev 12:11

[@danielguy1891]

Salvation being dependent on Jesus is meant to humble us and make us thankful. It doesnt mean we have a license to sin, as if salvation isn't dependent on our own actions. Being dependent on Jesus means we cant earn our way there, or show up with a list full of good deeds and say to God "I earned my salvation, now let me in". Rather, our actions reflect our love for God, and he does require that.

[@jumbalayaismisspeells3363]

That's what belief is. If you believe, you're life reflects that, just as Jesus said, "If you love me, you'll keep my commands." If you fail, and you will, Jesus is there to pick you up. We will fail, but he will never fail.

[@TVi-jm8ns]

Thanks, Doc Mike! Don't worship the creature but ONLY THE CREATOR. God is using you in a mighty way. To God the glory!

[@kittykat632]

I was just speaking to my sister about this subject today! Interesting how God allowed this video to be uploaded this evening. I've always said yes the Holy Spirit will indwell in us he never possesses us like a demon would.

[@ronaldsmith8237]

What are you saying? He never possesses us? The fact is the Holy Spirit, who is God, goes in fact possess us! He owns the believer, we are His possession. The believer is forever indwelt by the Holy Spirit. And He comes to us and in us the moment we believe. This is, in the most simple terms what it means to be saved. We have the eternal Spirit of God living in us, we who have believed the gospel.

[@kittykat632]

@@ronaldsmith8237 learn to read Ronald UGHH people like you just ughh😖

[@astoneofstumbling1341]

@@kittykat632 right right...but what you said was spot on I think. Yes, we give ourselves over to be God's possession, but He does not interfere with our free will by taking control of us like a demon would. Lol try not to get too mad, he will figure it out eventually

[@kittykat632]

@@astoneofstumbling1341 not mad just it just a bit frustrating 😆

[@astoneofstumbling1341]

@@kittykat632 I completely understand lol, sometimes people really try our patience. It's good practice really :)

[@randomname2366]

The NT makes it really clear that what you say you believe must be matched by action. You can lose your salvation because of your behavior but you won’t lose it accidentally. You can tell yourself your saved but if you know you keep on doing evil, wicked and sinful things and make excuses then God is not with you. (1 John 1:6-7)

[@robertmccollough8534]

I like how my comment was just removed. No rebuttal--it was just removed. But as I said before, AND AS THE SCRIPTURES CLEARLY TEACH, unbelief is only ONE of the things that will keep a person out of heaven (see Rev 21:8). Unrepentant sin will also keep a Christian out of heaven. When a Christian continues in unrepentant sin, their orthodox intellectual belief will not save them. Their sin will separate them from God and their sin can grieve the Holy Spirit to the point that He departs from them, and thus will cause them to be lost forever, having been shut out of the kingdom of heaven. Believing boldly while continuing in willful sin (see Heb 10:26-31), lawlessness & iniquity will cause church-going professing Christians to be shut out forever from the presence of God. Do not be deceived by empty words from smooth-talking theologians with PhDs and popular books. If you are found to be living in sin when your time runs out, you will NOT be entering the heavenly Jerusalem. The SAINTS will go marching in--not the sinners. The apostle of grace wrote (in Eph 5:3-7): "But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For THIS YOU KNOW, that NO fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has ANY inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU WITH EMPTY WORDS, for BECAUSE of THESE THINGS [i.e. these sins 'and the like'; cf. Gal 5:19-21] the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them."

[@vaughn1804]

💯💥

[@ronaldsmith8237]

What ever happened to the gospel? I thought that Jesus Christ paid for all my sin. You say that our sin will keep us out of heaven. You clearly believe in a salvation by works!

[@justinvanholland1569]

I guess heaven will be pretty empty huh?

[@robertmccollough8534]

@@justinvanholland1569 Compared to the total number of all humans that have lived--yes, there will be FEW, exactly as Jesus said.

[@robertmccollough8534]

@@ronaldsmith8237 The gospel is "the gospel of the kingdom of God." God is a king who has rules that His citizens are required to follow. Jesus paid for the sins of the world, but not everyone in the world will be saved. Jesus requires repentance--and yes, He requires obedience and He requires that His people bear fruit and WORK righteousness. Jesus said "unless you repent you will all likewise perish" (Lk 13:3, 5). He said that "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who DOES the will of My Father in heaven." Seeking salvation by performing the works of the Mosaic Law will cause a person to fall from grace (Gal 5:4), but the apostle Paul was not warning people against obedience to Jesus (producing good fruit) or doing works of God--which are necessary! In Acts 10:35 we read that "whoever fears Him and WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS is accepted by Him." It is not works to obey the commands of God such as we see in Acts 17:30: "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent!"

[@doylegaines1319]

Wow. I really, really love how Dr. Heiser used the illustration of "believing loyalty". It fits, and it makes clear sense to so many things that believers stumble over.

[@mj6962]

Yes I think most of the mainstream denominations reject Him as part of their beliefs.

[@edosalvato]

It could become a conundrum if we assume that faith is something depending on us and not a gift from God (as Pelagius). But If we believe in Jesus as: "The author and finisher of our faith" (heb12,2) we may rest in him and put our trust: "Unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy"(Ju24).

[@loveunlimited777]

The Holy Spirit is forever welcome in my heart, life and entire being. I love God. ❤️🙌❤️🙌❤️

[@zenyattamondatta7757]

In my opinion, the problem is that people confuse salvation with reward. They are two different things. Salvation is not your reward. Salvation is your gift. Your reward is what God bestows on you after he judges you.

[@DRMSH]

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[@EyesOpenInCaliforniaChannel]

My brother, I love ya… but the Holy Spirit is a “She.” Trust me…

[@friendlyfire7509]

Eww

[@bmartin16689]

@@EyesOpenInCaliforniaChannel obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. Have you ever exegeted anything?

[@EyesOpenInCaliforniaChannel]

@@bmartin16689 If you’ve been Baptized by water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, after age 11, then ask God yourself if you don’t believe me. If you have NOT fulfilled the mandate of proper Baptism, in my End Times Playlist, there’s a video to do it yourself. God Bless 💪🏼

[@LacuevadelMauricio]

God Bless You Dr Michael S. Heiser

[@mrvax2]

From my own personal experience, I agree.

[@MichaelFazio]

I grieved The Spirit too. Still working on being obedient and 8 years later I'm starting to feel Him again!

[@mrvax2]

@@MichaelFazio Keep up the good work!

[@MichaelFazio]

@@mrvax2 Thanks!!

[@catherinegray1367]

This is precisely the way to start a Monday at 5:58 a.m. This IS the day the Lord hath made... Praying for your health, Dr. Heiser. Precious (costly) is the death of His saints. We are no good to God when we are no longer here to proclaim His truth.

[@launderedcotton8070]

I agree up to a point. Dr. Heiser will one day loooooong into the future, leave us the written legacy he has created so far and the abundance yet to come. imho

[@slimsammyone]

"Dump your system, and start all over again" Dr Heiser. 💕

[@baronreed8131]

Maybe it's your system that is flawed!

[@ryvirkelley5047]

We were so blessed with Dr. Heiser, he will be greatly missed.

[@leonardu6094]

Is he dead?

[@williamprice1844]

We are permanently indwelt with the Holy Spirit, we are sealed until the day of redemption.

[@eleanorpomagalski9733]

even if we stop believing?

[@williamprice1844]

@Eleanor Pomagalski if you have ever believed you cannot unbelieve, and the Bible says you are sealed until the day of redemption.

[@eleanorpomagalski9733]

@@williamprice1844 we will have to agree to disagree. I know of plenty of people who believed and then stopped believing. Falling into the sin of unbelief.

[@williamprice1844]

@Eleanor Pomagalski they didn't believe, they went with flow and didn't get regenerated, there is a stat that says 70 percent of kids that go to college that were raised in church are atheist or agnostic by the end of their first year . They didn't believe they just agreed with their parents to get them off their back.

[@feminismwrong]

​@@eleanorpomagalski9733believing is not rejecting

[@paulpaul8953]

? "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

[@gnarly3000]

That's what I've long said and believed, though with confusion. Thank you for adding clarity.

[@victorcritelli5790]

Something to meditate on, And what has changed my life The word says Israel coming out of Egypt is our example. They Perished in the wilderness because of unbelief Keep in mind they saw the parting of the waters, The pillar of fire, the manna from heaven and much more They did have an issue believing God is, And moreover if they were not tested with extremes they could probably have passed for the american def of belief

[@matthewadamson4687]

Mike, thank you so much. For all you do. God is good, and I’m confident that you have no idea how much He has used your willingness to engage to bless me over the last several years.

[@sansleister3878]

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE, 14 WHICH IS THE EARNEST OF OUR INHERITANCE UNTIL THE REDEMPTION OF THE PURCHASED POSSESSION, unto the praise of his glory.

[@brandedforchrist]

Awesome but why after all these promises did Paul warn the church about falling away? Giving heed to seductive doctrines? Shipwrecking faith? Being entangled in bondage again? Why did Jesus warn the churches in Rev 2 and 3?? Is there any reconciliation between the verse you commented and these questions

[@Disciple888]

I love Dr. Heiser and he was gracious to share with me the unseen realm before it was a book when it was simply his unfinished doctoral thesis. I learned so much. But regarding this subject I mostly agree. However, I think idea of clinging to a single doctrinal thought is possibly falling short of what Jesus taught us. Salvation IMHO is the constant drinking in of that which is lifegiving. It is this abiding that effortlessly gives evidence and the production of all kinds of fruit. The first love principal is key to this. It is a continual or habitual forsaking of the carnal surrogates the world offers and the utter fascination, devotion and hopefully addiction to Jesus, the true satisfaction of all our longings. If we choose to unplug at some point we will wither and die and be pruned and ready for the fire. It's not a matter of works but a matter of Love. If we love the Way, the Truth and the Life we will live for eternity. We can still believe the idea Jesus is the only way but yet not reflect it in our behavior. I'm pretty sure he would have underscored that as well given the chance.

[@JervisGermane]

I was always taught that it's a contract. God will forgive any breach of the contract if you ask Him to, but you CAN terminate the contract, and God will terminate it if you commit a breach and don't ask for forgiveness.

[@bobthrasher8226]

The Holy Spirit is an "earnest" which means if the seller doesn't comply with the terms, the prospective buyer gets the earnest back!

[@adamh9271]

Are you sure you receive the Holy Spirit at salvation? Acts 19:2 Paul said “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They answered “No, we have not even heard there is a Holy Spirit” so this alone proves there is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit which is different than the act of Salvation itself.

[@ronaldsmith8237]

The book of Acts is the history of the transition from the Old Covenant into the New Covenant. Once the Christian church was fully established, by the end of the first century, the question of when and how the Holy Spirit was received had been fully settled. The Spirit was received upon belief, and His presence was eternal. We cannot use the Acts of the Apostles to establish Christian doctrine. Those questions are forever settled in the epistles.

[@adamh9271]

@@ronaldsmith8237 lol, whoever you have been listening to has you really confused.

[@ronaldsmith8237]

@Desire Of All Nations the transition is found in the book of Acts. Moving out of the age of the law, into the age of grace needed time for believers after the cross to transition into the new dispensation of grace and the new working of the Holy Spirit. That’s what I ment by transition.

[@joytheresagrigsby4941]

the disciples received the Holy Spirit 8n the gospels ..Jesus breathed on them and they received him..Acts 2 was the Baptism w speaking in tongues..which is the same thing you are talking about..without the Holy Spirit you arent born again and not saved

[@joytheresagrigsby4941]

@@ronaldsmith8237 you cannot use the acts of the apostles to establish doctrine...this is retarded...it is a standard cessationist argument w 0 scriptural validity

[@Igey-John]

I trust in my Father who is in heaven

[@TheNikolinho]

yes, we can still reject the Spirit after receiving Him, true

[@drummerboy737]

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” - 1 John 3:9 (KJV)

[@caitlinsoliman1658]

@@drummerboy737 I have seen almost every Christian, even upstanding ones sin

[@WildHuntress]

@@caitlinsoliman1658 even Paul said that of all sinners, he was one of the worst, so the way they are using the passage is incorrect.

[@DiscernersChurch]

John 1:33 = "... the one on whom you see the Spirit descending AND remaining" ...implying that even though the Spirit may descend, it may not remain!!

[@bobweird655]

Ive been on this walk for roughly 10 years and still havent found my gifts. :-/ Ill keep praying for that revelation but it gets tough sometimes.

[@bobweird655]

@@bohdandushkevich7908 What in the world is that even supposed to mean, lol? And yes Im well aware of E’heye Asher E’heye and His Son Yeshua Moschiac the living Creator of the universe. Does that clear it up?

[@bobweird655]

@@bohdandushkevich7908 I will humbly disagree that we are all Gods. But I know what His Sons name is and what it means. There is nowhere in scripture that teaches we are all Gods, in fact the opposite is true.

[@velkonemriam1935]

@@bohdandushkevich7908 Psalm 82 is referring to God's heavenly divine council. Dr Michael Heiser explains this too. Edit: look up Dr. Heiser's Naked Bible Podcast on KZbin, episode 109.

[@JESUStheARK]

@@bohdandushkevich7908 please read dr Heiser’s book Reversing Hermon and or listen to his KZbin lectures on the Divine Council. We are not all gods. There is much more to the “unseen realm” than you have been taught. God bless your reading and listening to more of Dr Heiser’s teaching.

[@JESUStheARK]

@@bobweird655you are right Bob. We are not all gods and I pray Bohdan sees my comment directing him to listen to more of dr Heiser’s teachings on KZbin about the Divine Council concerning Psalm 82. Or reading Dr Heiser’s book Reversing Hermon. It’s much bigger than us or what we’ve been taught in church. Keep fighting the good fight of faith. Believe He did it all at the cross. And when it gets hard remember this simple word of Jesus, “my yoke is easy and my burden is light”. So take His yoke ....all who are weary and heavy laden and you’ll find rest and peace in Him. You can trust Him. 🕊🕊🕊

[@CharlesLaBuhn]

I REALLY LIKE YOUR TEACHING, IT IS NOT MYSTERIOUS, IT IS SIMPLE. Thank you.

[@kittykat632]

You MUST REMAIN IN CHRIST!

[@ronaldsmith8237]

You believe in a salvation by works. If it could be lost, then there must be something that I must do in addition to believing. Do you see that?

[@kittykat632]

@Pond3r Thiz yes he most certainly is putting words into people's mouths he doesn't read comments properly and doesn't study his Bible at all!!!!!

[@kittykat632]

@@ronaldsmith8237 Ronald I suggest you educate yourself before you speak and maybe find a different hobby cuz this one ain't working for you

[@ronaldsmith8237]

@@kittykat632 the salvation issue is too important to dismiss. When anyone, like Mike or anyone else puts themselves on a platform and teaches something untrue, they must be called on it and held accountable for what they say. Again, when a person believes that they can lose their salvation, for any reason, they are depending on themself to some extent for their salvation. This is not right.

[@robertmccollough8534]

@@ronaldsmith8237 Kitty Kat is merely repeating what Jesus Himself said in John 15:4.

[@mrstrypes]

Amen! More than half of the Bible (Old Testament and New Testament) is centered remaining faithful to the One who is faithful.

[@yvanm7999]

idk guys i feel a strong conviction to test these spirits carefully, I dont understand how he can even think to act as if hes God saying "im stupid!" is this not blasphemy? im not trying to discredit him this is just an admonition. not only for dr heiser but the other gang as well

[@CHDean]

Yes, you need to be careful.

[@brandedforchrist]

I cringed when I heard him say that and we also have to test the teaching too... can you please reconcile this teaching with Rev 3:15-16 🙏🏾

[@CHDean]

@@brandedforchrist What teaching?

[@brandedforchrist]

C. H. Dean once saved always saved

[@CHDean]

@@brandedforchrist ...and that theological tenant is unbiblical?