SCARY NEWS: God Chooses Some People For HELL...Or DOES He?

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[@danielpsparks]

Brother. I miss you.

[@GalileanInvariance]

@@danielpsparks Amen ... his voice was light in the darkness of confusion.

[@johngarvin8888]

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[@robbyclark6915]

Why have I been a Christian for 25 years and only recently found Dr Heiser? I have heard more truth and mysterious passages explained in the couple of months since finding him than in years of the listening to the typical.

[@Sundayschoolnetwork]

I agree. I too just discovered his ministry and I'm reading the Unseen Realm together with my book group friends. Love the videos!

[@caleb.lindsay]

I always watch people before buying their books, but I’m so sad I didn’t buy Unseen Realm earlier. It’s incredible.

[@kurtgundy]

For the most part i like heiser. But I think its a mistake to say "election is salvation" for every Israelite. As he said, the Israelites still had to believe. So yes, election IS salvation for individuals in OT. Same as in the NT.

[@artifacthunter1472]

I’ve been through them all for many many many years go to grace and truth ministries and hear the defined truth but just don’t listen to the gap theory because all public preachers have faults, that’s why the Bible said trust no man!

[@artifacthunter1472]

@@kurtgundy Do you not know the difference between physical Israel and spiritual Israel not all of Israel is of Israel! Jacob‘s name was changed to Israel the beginning of gods spiritual church!

[@benjaminlopez4168]

Whoever has taken over this account since Dr. Heiser’s passing. Please…please…please do not take this account down. This man’s work needs to live on. These videos are a lighthouse in a world of darkness.

[@RUT812]

Amen 🙏

[@O_tropos]

Unfortunately this man is not speaking the truth. Election means chosen, dont be fooled by his words, that election means something else. Israel is still elect when Jesus comes back (1000 years) He will establish the Kingdom in Israel and after the 1000 years has passed a new Jerusalem will come out of heaven. What Heiser was saying is not biblical and please turn to the truth

[@NWLegacyChannel]

They will almost certainly take down for no reason too. Whoever us running this account is a demonically influenced COWARD

[@InfinitEternaLovEmmanuel]

Amen!! Absolutely!!

[@brandedforchrist]

His work will not live on in Jesus name 🙏🏾, may the Lord destroy all his teachings so that it won’t seduced the minds of the unsuspecting ones like you and those who liked your comment 🙏🏾

[@BrianNichols85]

Paul makes a distinction between election and salvation in 2 Timothy 2:10 "Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory."

[@Charles.Wright]

Good catch. This channel has helped me find so many passages that make me wonder how I never noticed them before!

[@PepeLeFunk]

Hmm. Not convinced. This is speaking of salvation in its final stage, glorification.

[@hondotheology]

elect means chosen for salvation. this doesn't prove what you want it to prove

[@leonaj.5835]

@@hondotheology Then how do you prove your own point? You haven't given evidence supporting your claim either.

[@stephenkeener9565]

@@hondotheology Elect means chosen for service... not for salvation... Romans 9-11

[@NC_27]

Election is not about salvation, but rather it's about revelation 🤯. Wow. These few minutes have completely transformed my view on election.

[@ariadneferreira2252]

Same!!! I’m mind-blown!

[@matthewdyer2926]

These comments simply illustrate and affirm that if the sinner hates a Biblical doctrine enough, he’ll be sure to slither his way around it, rather than submitting humbly to the truth. Peter’s words remain true to this day, in regards to Apostle Paul’s writings - “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.”

[@TheFightingSheep]

Except he made a fundamental error confusing corporate and personal election. Paul corrects his fallacy in Romans 9:6-23.

[@willpower6720]

Calvinism makes no sense and I was a Calvinist for over twenty years.

[@willpower6720]

Limited Atonement ? Really? What about John 1:29 and 1 John 2:2 ?

[@glf2424]

Excellent explanation! Dr. Heiser never disappoints. I will miss him, but I know that man is happy to be home and I have no doubts he will hear "Well done thou good and faithful servant."

[@MaxwellKozen]

That opening line at the beginning of the video is an absolute haymaker.

[@magykjames9534]

This is the best format so far; he opens most of these with a big zinger like that. It's priceless.

[@brandedforchrist]

@@magykjames9534 Priceless you say? You’ll soon find out that you’ve been deceived and blinded to Christ all along by this man but I pray you find out soon enough to repent and flee from him 🙏🏾

[@78LedHead]

I'd love to see this entire lecture. I hope it all comes out at once eventually. I've been craving a new Heiser presentation. I thank God for Mike. He's really helped answer some strange questions I've had. He doesn't shy away from the strangeness in scripture.

[@nireekshanaanand3464]

Just type 'school of awakening theology'

[@shaundelear]

Do you think God finds scripture strange? Go to Jonathan Kleck for the mind blowing answers -the unveiling of who you are - enjoy the level up!

[@tonyswietochowski2282]

Same here. Michael Heiser is my kind of Bible scholar. Honest, to the point, and he does not sugar coat passages with false piety.

[@Puppythuppa]

@@shaundelear Who's Jonathan Kleck? Never heard of him? Can you give some links?

[@shaundelear]

@@Puppythuppa YT theJohnathanKleck or JohnathonKleck seriously expect your mind renewed

[@AkeemKN]

Thank you Heavenly Father for bringing us knowledge through the work of Dr. Heiser.

[@JesusIsComing1111]

Excellent explanation that FINALLY makes sense. I agree with this. No explanation on this topic ever sat right with my spirit. Thank You Jesus for answers to my questions 🙏❤️

[@artifacthunter1472]

So whether you believe something or not is based on whether it makes sense in your own head that is purely moronic!! The ones that belong to God hear his voice hear his words and know the truth! True biblical truth is the opposite of every worldview!

[@Declaringthendfromthebeginning]

@@artifacthunter1472 good reply

[@beppiek]

Churchianity is seeped in emotions and logic and man worship … I guess they’ve never read “For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: but God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; and base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: that no flesh should glory in his presence.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1‬:‭19‬, ‭25‬-‭29‬

[@davidsanders364]

Same

[@davidsanders364]

All of you bashing this comment sound like a bunch of Pharisees. God is not the author of confusion... Of course it needs to make sense. We are born again of the spirit... the Holy spirit guides us and helps understand the things of God. I feel the exact same way, I feel like I finally understand that election is not salvation

[@cheryllynn5671]

Thank you for posting these videos Dr. Heiser. I also listen to your podcasts and am reading your books. Thank you so much for all you are doing to help us be more thoughtful believers.

[@78LedHead]

Cheryl, I just purchased "Angels" and "Demons." Fantastic information. In all of our various traditions/denominations, we've been taught there's God, Satan, angels, and demons. Boy, were we wrong.

[@glennrobinson7193]

@@78LedHead LedHead The bible, that is the trusted KJV hasn't even the word demon in it. Therefore the word demon is a fictitious name of an imaginary character, like unto Satan being red with horns and a pitchfork in his hands. Demons were believed in ancient Greek mythology and have nothing to do with devils. Devils, the correct word, they would no doubt be exactly like THEIR master. Like Satan who is glowing because he as Lucifer was the light bearer and because he is TRANSFORMED into an angel of light.

[@katelynngraham2738]

I’m not healthy enough to Go to college right now. Thank you, this gives me the ability to have higher education in classes I would want to take. God bless

[@edpinero2107]

Dr. Heiser, I never looked at election/chosen from that perspective. Awesome, thank you! Since I subscribed to your channel, I’ve learn so much. God bless!

[@brandedforchrist]

How do you allow yourself to be spoiled like that? Have you not yet known the truth of the scriptures? Why are you so easily carried about by every wind of doctrine beloved? 😢 . Is it not written in the scriptures where Christ said “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.” ‭ (John‬ ‭10:27-29).. . He said “My sheep”, is that not election?

[@andrewhawkins8616]

@brandedforchrist Wow. Your ego is massive. You jump on someone else so you can try to sound intelligent and super important, and all you accomplished was to literally shoehorn John 10 into your Calvinistic outlook. Nice eisegesis there, turbo.

[@matthewdyer2926]

@@brandedforchristSad indeed, how easily deceived these people are.

[@davidcarter2368]

Thank you Dr. Heiser! Thank you for bringing light on ignored and misunderstood parts of scripture. Praise and glory be unto the Father forever and ever Amen. Keep bringing the truth and the light to the world!!

[@arbogastosambumbia7649]

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. Romans 9:6‭-‬8 ESV bible.com/bible/59/rom.9.6-8.ESV

[@davidcarter2368]

@@arbogastosambumbia7649 Scripture can not be broken. It will never fail.

[@virginiasiders]

I love learning from Dr. Heiser. What a true blessing he was and is to so many. I only wish I had discovered him sooner! Thank you for continuing with his teachings!

[@samanthabeaty4578]

I love your teachings, Dr. Heiser. They've really helped me in any cognitive dissonance I've experienced and really helped me to witness to Atheists and Agnostics particularly. I'm so sorry to hear about your diagnosis and I'm praying for a miracle for you but also for comfort. Thank you so much for all of your service to the Kingdom of God.

[@GabeM972]

Were you initially Calvinist ?

[@InfinitEternaLovEmmanuel]

“Election is about access to the truth.” ~ Dr. Michael Heiser has, in his brilliant tradition, captured the answer to centuries of debate on the topic of election in one simple and succinct sentence! Bravo!

[@seanautilis]

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[@collin501]

Paul actually addresses this issue. Not all Israel is Israel. "But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed." Romans 9:6‭-‬8 So the elect is the subset of that nation "according to election" as Paul says in chapter 11. He uses the example of Elijah complaining about the people of Israel as a whole being baal worshippers. "Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace." Romans 11:4‭-‬5 It's interesting that in the example of the Israelites, God invites more people into the people of God than who are actually elect. God extends the invitation to many to come and partake of his goodness, but it's those elect individuals who apparently do not bow the knee to Baal in the end.

[@gert_kruger]

Some were not of Israel but responded to the invitation (drawing by the Father) to partake in becoming part of the true Israel, e.g. Ruth.

[@geoffrobinson]

@@gert_kruger the drawing of John 6 doesn’t apply to everyone. If you just read through John you see a consistent pattern. The difference between belief and unbelief in people has to do with God, not the people.

[@RYROSmetaldefender]

The invitation thing you mentioned is the sole reason why one is elected: Include others. Why one is elected? Why Abraham was elected? Why did Noah, Israel...why was Jesus elected? To bless and include others. God do not choose one *over* others. He chooses one *in favor* of others. No need to mention some will never make it. But theres plenty of fun to know im included in the Trinitys life due to the Justice and election of Other One.

[@theodorsteff]

that's why I think here Dr. Heiser gives a non response to the subject of God's sovereignty. My assessment is that despite being a great scholar, Heiser is also trying hard to be "politically correct" (here and in other instances that I've spotted throughout my time following his speeches). I believe God is not "politically correct" and we shouldn't frame Him like that, unless we want to offend His just nature

[@lauraowen8142]

@@theodorsteff You've obviously not delved deep in his expert content... I am horrified by the false doctrine denominations who hold such sway in the people's minds! We are repeatedly told to renew our minds!!!!

[@pjstatenisland1575]

This is so helpful to me. RIP Dr. Heiser.

[@Sdm1331]

That was perfect. Thank you.

[@joshnelson3344]

Not sure I follow the logic here…since election isn’t always about salvation, that means election is never about salvation?

[@MannyfromdaD]

Blame Heiser for knocking me out of my Calvinism. 😂

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

Praise be to God for bringing you out of the darkness.

[@MannyfromdaD]

I think all Christians will benefit a ton from Calvins teachings though. I don’t consider it darkness, there’s just better ways of looking at certain passages. Calvinism tends to be too narrow in its interpretations, but no system is perfect. We all have to grow together.

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

@@MannyfromdaD They would benefit far more about learning the truth about Jean Cauvin and his dark twisted heart. But its hard to find objective truth about his fruits, his works in Geneva because of centuries of sugar coating, ignoring the evil he did, flat out lying and flippantly dismissing his brutality as "a man of his time". My jaw almost broke when I saw him making up stuff from thin air, then presenting it as "scripture" along with the frequent thinly veiled threat not to question his "truth", while reading his commentaries. He is a terrific example of how NOT to behave or believe. Jesus said it best....you will know them by their works.;

[@MannyfromdaD]

@@Baltic_Hammer6162 men of God can often be a piece of work. He probably was a trash human being for all I care to know, it still doesn’t take away from his contribution to theological discussion. IMO, he took some concepts too far, maybe due to his maniacal obligation to certainty as he understood it, that’s all. His views are certainly not excluded from criticism and further observations, which it is how I got off the reformed bandwagon. But to say that he contributed nothing good and that all his works (of literature) are damnable, I think is a bit unfair. The institutes of the Christian religion is a great resource. I’d recommend it anytime but not without proper precaution. Don’t go in blind. But, that also goes for any piece of Christian literature written by non apostles. God’s sovereignty, liturgy, seriousness about studying God’s word are among of his greatest contributions. Anyway, that’s my 2 cents. ✌️ and blessings.

[@timothy6115]

Good! There are many issues with Calvinism

[@pennybonbon4453]

WOW …. I am learning so much every time I listen to Dr Michael S Heiser. I am So Grateful to God Thank you 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿❤️

[@kayhearleartist]

Love and pray for him all the time , just love his teachings and lectures .

[@swordtraining]

I hope you are enjoying worshipping the living God my friend! I look forward to the day I meet you! I pray peace for your family!

[@JustAworm82]

2 Peter 3:9 He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.

[@JR-rs5qs]

This verse doesn't concern all men for all time. It's in the context of those God was saving leading up to and including the events and destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70AD.

[@JR-rs5qs]

@christsavesreadromans1096 the context of 2 Pet 3:9 is the passing away of Heaven and Earth, i.e. the Old Covenant Age, not the actual physical destruction and remaking of the Cosmos. The promise Peter refers to a few verses later is that of Isa 65 and 66 where there's still death, babies being born, etc. However, this NH&NE is new because righteousness dwells. I think you meant to share a different verse than 1 Tim 3:10.

[@c2s2942]

@@JR-rs5qsPeter was executed before the destruction in 70AD, so no, he wasn’t writing with that in mind. It means what it says: God wants everyone to be saved. John 3:16 and 17 reiterate that as well.

[@JR-rs5qs]

@c2s2942 Peter's death prior to 70AD is inconsequential to the issue. Check out the Young's Literal Translation in both 2 Peter 3:9 and John 3:16-17. These cannot be Arminian proof texts by any means. If God wanted to save everyone, He would do so because salvation is purely a work of God in a person's life. Otherwise God is impotent in accomplishing His own will. If it's synergistic, I recommend a false church based in Rome.

[@JR-rs5qs]

@christsavesreadromans1096 1 Tim 4:10 is a difficult passage in light of many other verses regarding the exclusitivity of the belief in Christ for salvation. Do you believe 1 Tim 4:10 supports universalism? If so, how does that square with having a Gospel to believe at all? Taking the verse in a universalistic sense betrays the verse itself when Paul says 'especially'. If all men receive the same thing (salvation) that believing men receive, why (especially) believe? Christ is indeed the Savior of all men in that He is the Savior of the human race. He did not die for angels (of which some were fallen) or any other creature. There's evidence that 'especially' could be translated as 'particularly'. Additionally, there's no other Savior than Christ for mankind. Without His work, all men are ineligible at salvation and we are yet in our sin.

[@ronchappel4812]

Predestination as a doctrine is one of those subjects that drive me crazy.Why are christian churches setting doctrine on the confusing verses??! It's utter madness. Doctrines must be based on verses that are clear and unambiguous.

[@lizmills3214]

Awesome thank you for clearing this up

[@2wheelz3504]

This is absolutely excellent! Thank goodness we still have his channel. He is missed.

[@JoshWashington]

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (1 Pet 2.9-10). Election is primarily vocational. God has chosen his people for himself to publicly worship and serve him in the broader context of the nations around them. It's not I will save you and not them. Rather its I will save you in order to reach them. God chose Abraham to be a blessing to all the nations.

[@davidcarter2368]

Extremely well put. Remove thy own beam so you can remove the splinter in thy neighbors eye. Blindness is a disease cured by knowledge of God's word.

[@bosse641]

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them" Jesus the Messiah said (John 6:44) ..and he didn't lie or joke about it. God Almighty are the sovereign part. ..not we humans. And that fits well with what He told Moses back in the ancient times: “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”" (Romans 9:15) All of that must be taken into consideration also.

[@davidcarter2368]

@@bosse641 Goes hand in hand with Romans 9:21, amen brother. Romans 10:9-13, I cherish and respect the zeal of Paul so much. He embodied the wisdom of the message. He so brought the message forth in such an eloquent, intelligent, and accurate way. He truly was the apostle to the gentiles. Thank you Lord, for if I had understanding and faith just the size of a mustered seed I would never be in darkness through out the rest of my days.

[@thetruthchannel349]

"that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness" *Ya, this is self-explanatory*

[@heyman5525]

Hey Josh, vocation is a fantastic word to describe this issue. That ought to be the standard synonym for election.

[@dylanmilks]

Very interesting points. Something to think about for sure.

[@tpearce713]

Not all of Israel was elect. "Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened." Romans 11:7 ESV

[@justanother240]

And in chapter 9, "not all Israel is Israel."

[@jd-jw8hm]

Touche'..

[@seansimpson1133]

Literally was just thinking this.

[@shotinthedark90]

Because what once was elect can be cut off from election on the basis of living faith...

[@coozhunter4434]

Thank you for this verse. You'd think he would have read it. Then he wouldn't have made another pelagian video.

[@ChrisMusante]

Was there anybody running the sound board as he gave this lecture? One tiny twist of the upper EQ for Mike's 'mic' and that annoying 'ping' would have gone bye-bye. But what do I know. Signed... Almost 'signed' musician

[@LECityLECLEC]

Woah this is great keep up the good work God bless his scribes and teachers!

[@steveswanson3690]

Thank you. His teachings never disappoint!

[@joshuaborum4946]

I’ve always hated the caricatures denominations create between election and man’s freewill. It’s not an either/or, it’s a both/and. God’s drawing is necessary, otherwise, like Jesus says, we can’t even see the Kingdom of Heaven.

[@jimhughes1070]

And the calling... Salvation is open to the world... Decisions decisions 🤣🙏

[@BeefT-Sq]

"A mystic is a man who treats his feelings as tools of cognition." Nathaniel Branden

[@duaneshort186]

So true! Was just recently looking at how called and chosen (election) are used in the NT and comparing to OT, etc. It is quickly apparent, unless one is hopelessly predisposed to a tradition that induces mental and scriptural gymnastics, that they are not synonymous with salvation. Although, it appears to me right now that the context determines the meaning which is not strictly consistent.

[@brandedforchrist]

Did you noticed how he didn’t mention election as it is Christ but only focused on the election of Israel? That alone is proof that this man is an enemy of Christ but those who are not Christ’s will not see it but those who are Christ’s will see it and flee from him.. . Please explain this verse for me since you say we are not chosen unto salvation from the beginning . “but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.”- John‬ ‭10:26-29‬ . When did we become His sheep? When did the Father gave us to Him? Why do He give us eternal life and why can we never perish? . Let’s see who will do gymnastics today?

[@PinoyMusicRevolution]

​@@brandedforchristwe are not sheep. And Jesus wasn't talking to you. Pls read in context. Are you Israelite by blood?

[@brandedforchrist]

@@PinoyMusicRevolution Jesus was talking to me and I’m His sheep, by faith in Christ, I’ve become a son of Abraham (Galatians 3:7), I’m now part of the spiritual Israel, drafted in by faith.. . Jesus called me a sheep ➡️ “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.”(‭‭John‬ ‭10:16‬)

[@AJTramberg]

I have never heard this take before of election...this is fascinating and makes so much more sense than the Calvinistic interpretation, or even the Arminian "corporate" model.

[@randilopez3087]

dont shut down this account... it helps thousands of people to have a clearer picture of the Bible

[@Athandriel]

I feel more and more that the sign of Jonah is alive at this time on this imperfect platform. More children of Yahuwah are waking up to Torah, Israel, and Yahushua’s mercy. He told us in John:1:1 exactly who He is... and thanks to His love and mercy I get to learn His Word. It helps me understand the letters from the apostles so much more clearly. Thank you for your voice I was blessed with a heart to love... but teaching His Word takes a gift. You and many other Berean’s gift us with your take and knowledge and it humbles me. Baruk Ha’Shem Yahuwah brother Mike!

[@SaintTrinianz]

As a new Christian, in my struggle to overcome sin, I cried myself to sleep one night. I dreamt that I was being prosecuted and was about to go to court. I had no idea what my defense might be until the Holy Spirit said "1 Thessalonians 1:4." I was not familiar with this verse so upon waking, I looked it up; "Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God." The revelation of this verse was both astounding and reassuring to me at the time.

[@RebeccawalkswithChrist12]

Wow what a beautiful dream God gave you!

[@jimhughes1070]

I'm pretty sure you're having your sins forgiven... And accepting that reality... Should clear up any confusion once you awake... "Happy is the man whose mind is stayed upon the Lord" 🙏💪

[@narrowroadmusic2]

I love this truth. He gave them the truth how beautiful. Staggering really.

[@Leah-fw5kn]

I attend a Calvinist church but I do not believe in predestination before birth for hell or glory. It is not biblical. Love your videos, I'm learning a lot.

[@citizen1981]

Election is not merely access to the truth, but an unbroken chain that includes access to the truth and ends glorification (aka heaven). Scripture says: For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. Romans 8:29‭-‬30 NASB2020 bible.com/bible/2692/rom.8.29-30.NASB2020 How about his one from Ephesians: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons and daughters through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, with which He favored us in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our wrongdoings, according to the riches of His grace which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He set forth in Him, regarding His plan of the fullness of the times, to bring all things together in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him we also have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things in accordance with the plan of His will, to the end that we who were the first to hope in the Christ would be to the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:3‭-‬12 NASB2020 bible.com/bible/2692/eph.1.3-12.NASB2020

[@bosse641]

@@citizen1981 Amen. Fallen humanity has a BIG problem with the sovereignty of Almighty God. That is where the rejection comes. They are offended by it. They want to be the sovereign part themselves.

[@dankmartin6510]

@@bosse641 A whole bunch of libel to make up for a complete deficiency of truth.

[@kristenspencer9751]

@@bosse641 To grasp that God really is sovereign. Isn't that what prophecy is? Two scriptures tell us that the cross was 'destined' or 'before the foundations'. God knows who will reject Him and who will not. It's quite interesting!

[@bosse641]

@@kristenspencer9751 ....We do not choose God. His chosen ones are chosen of Him before the foundation of the world. John 15:16 / Romans 9:15 We are dead(spiritually) sinners, in the grave, hopelessly lost, until sovereign God reaches down into the grave and gives us faith and life. Salvation is ALL of Him. By His grace and mercy. We are only on the receiving end. We do nothing.

[@Mimijat]

I 🥰 him. He opened up Scripture like no one else.

[@EmergencyMoto]

I would love Dr. Heiser to explain what else Paul could be meaning by the many passages where he says salvation is through Gods grace and election (to name a couple Ephesians 2 8-9 and especially all of Romans 9). I understand Gods election of Israel is not salvation because Paul explains that but then while breaking that down he builds the argument that salvation through Christ is an act of grace even foreknown by God. Or in other words election if not a new and better election. I guess I would have to fall under the term Calvinist (although I very much have fought against it) I wasn’t raised that way but after studying the gospels I can’t find any refute to it logically. Even passages where people argue against determinism like with God telling Jonah he’s going to destroy Nineveh but then changes his mind can still be seen as determinism because the point wasn’t that God was going to destroy Nineveh the point was to have Jonah be obedient and teach him that God can show mercy to whom he chooses. So he didn’t really change his mind that outcome was already known by an omniscient God but if he had told Jonah hey got prophecy their destruction and on by the way they will repent so I won’t actually destroy them Jonah probably wouldn’t have learned the lesson in a meaningful way that we Today can also learn from. Edit* I also have known for some time he swayed more to Armenian views than Calvinism due to his position on the image of God as it relates to our creation. I happen to Agree with his explanation on the image but I don’t think we have to have completely free will to be God’s image bearers. We can be his image bearers in the sense that he has appointed mankind to have and inherit the earth making choices under the illusion of free will by being guided to our choices by His invisible hand. True Free Will would require a reality with zero consequences. You can’t make a person form them for a vessel of honor who has been shaped by his God ordained environment when you know all the possible outcomes then put that person in a situation you know will end in the result you want by them making a “choice” and call that free will. And even if you don’t like that God is right in that. As Paul says in Romans 9:19-21 19“You will say to me then, ‘Why does He still find fault? For who can resist his will?’ 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, ‘Why have you made me like this?’ 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?”

[@rdoncarlos]

Romans 9, is not hard to understand. Just start at the beginning of Romans 9. Paul makes it clear that he is going to talk about the Jewish people who were the ones to receive the promise. It would come through Jacob, not Esau. The whole Love Hate wording is a Jewish saying which uses the exact same words Jesus used when He said if you love Him you must hate your father, mother, wife, husband, and child. It does not mean damn your mom to hell, it means to give preference to Jesus over them. Much like God gave Esau a mountain and nation but gave Jacob the much greater gift of being the branch from which Christ would come.

[@EmergencyMoto]

@@rdoncarlos I’m fully aware that his saying Jacob I Loved but Esau I hated didn’t mean he was damning Esau. That’s not what I was talking about. I also understand Paul is speaking to Jews concerned and confused why more of the chosen people of God are now seemingly not being chosen for salvation. My problem is when you take the large number of instances Paul clearly stated in usually plain language that No one through free will chosen Jesus and thus salvation. But our ability to understand and receive the gospel and believe and accept Jesus comes through the Holy Spirit giving us our understanding and faith. If it was one time and said in a metaphorical way sure no problem. But it’s repeated over and over clearly and plainly. If you go back and read the exodus account that Paul alludes to in Romans chapter 9 you see this progression where pharaoh hardens his heart but near the end he’s actually had enough and wants them to go but the final plague hasn’t happened yet and there it says God hardened his heart ultimately making pharaoh change his mind. Now if God can and clearly does influence us to make decisions we weren’t going to make through free will .... is there actually free will? That is the thing I’ve never had explained to me and why I’m left to just believe the text means what it says. That sure we might have the illusion of free will but what god has ordained will happen no matter what we “choose” through our own or some outside influence interceding. And Paul clearly states our salvation, even our faith which gives us said salvation is not our own but bestowed upon us as a gift. Did we believe and make a choice to follow Christ... Yes... but were we always going to get there ... well clearly that too or we would be vessels of dishonor created for destruction. Does that mean we don’t evangelize because God already has his list of pre destined so it doesn’t matter what we do they will find him eventually? Absolutely not! We must because even though someone maybe predestined to God we don’t know who is or who isn’t and the way those are called are by us proclaiming the gospels. Sooo does it really matter.... I guess not Armenian.... Calcanists.... we all believe salvation through believe in Jesus and that we must spread the gospels .... just one of those things we’ll all find out later and we won’t care who was right or wrong in the end

[@upsidedownkingdomministrie7405]

@@EmergencyMoto Augustine Calvinism is rooted in gnostic philosophy (specifically Manicheanism). The early church fathers believed in free will along with Augustine, until his gnostic influence changed his position because of infants and baptism. Where do you think the doctrine of total depravity comes from? Gnosticism! We are depraved, and salvation does belong to God, and it is Him who initiates salvation, but the imago day remains before regeneration. We all have the capacity to respond to God’s prevenient grace when we hear the proclamation of His Word through the anointing of the Spirit (faith cometh by hearing). Predestination does not nullify free will; it supports it. God has predestined us according to His foreknowledge (1 Pet 1:1). Only a God who supremely reigns over His creation could ”work out all things according to the counsel of His will” while allowing His created beings to remain autonomous. God did not make automatons; if He had, He would be a liar, considering authentic love is only demonstrated through freedom of choice. And we know that ”God is not a man that He should lie” (Numbers 23:19). Ravi Zacharias states: ”If love is the supreme ethic and freedom is indispensable to love, and God’s supreme goal for you and me is to love Him with all our heart and our neighbor as our self, for Him to violate our free will would be to violate that which is a necessary component so that love can flourish and be expressed.” Monergistic Determinism over-emphasizes God’s sovereignty and power at the expense of His love and justice.

[@EmergencyMoto]

@@upsidedownkingdomministrie7405 it’s a nice thought but again no one ever deals with the text this is a classic example where someone will spout some history or a church father or use a verse that proves one thing they are trying to prove like (God does not lie) but that is only to proof their own believe of what they think God can do and in this case what love and feee will is. But that isn’t what the text says. Again I challenge you (or anyone) read the exodus story back in exodus that Paul alludes to in Romans 9 .... you say “authentic love is only demonstrated through freedom of choice” .... but God didn’t give pharaoh a choice .... in fact the text says pharaoh made his choice to give in to God’s and Moses command but then God hardened his heart ...taking that choice away.... Look I’m not coming from a place of malice and I don’t want to cause dissension amongst brothers... but either the text that clearly says God caused pharaohs heart to be hardened and changed his mind is a error in translation or we have change our idea of authentic love because that’s just one example God influences choice. To use one of Heiser own famous Devine council references the two kings of Israel got together and while the king of Israel’s prophets of Baal told him to go and attack he would be victorious. The king of Judah ask for a prophet of Yahweh who basically says God sent a member of the Divine council to be a lying spirit to Baals prophets to get him to go and fall. Sooo it’s not just one there are many examples of God interfering with supposed free will. Again I don’t have a problem with God’s right to do this. He’s God and I’m not. And it only strengthens my love for God that he despite myself would choose me and give me the grace of a belief in him and faith in our Lord Jesus.

[@thetruthchannel349]

"through Gods grace and election" *Look at that word in the Greek. It just means CALLED*

[@AIXITstageleft]

You have made me breath so many sighs of relief. So much of this didn't make sense.

[@AndJusticeForMe]

How did he do that? He doesn’t know any more than you.

[@EricDouglas0]

If you read through Romans and recognize that when Paul refers to the "elect" he's talking about Israel and not Christians, most of the predestination conflicts resolve themselves.

[@jcthomas3408]

Yes, always ask who is predestined to what. Who is chosen for what. Who is elect for what. It is never a non believer chosen to be a believer!

[@nikokapanen82]

@@jcthomas3408 But what about God chosing 7000 men not to bow down to Baal? What about God chosing John the Baptist to be righteous before he was even born?

[@jcthomas3408]

@@nikokapanen82 yes, those specific people were chosen for those specific purposes. The Bible never says God chose which people were to be Christians. In fact, it says all men were drawn to him at the cross. But we know not all accept him. John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” John 1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God-

[@nikokapanen82]

@@jcthomas3408 What does the words "draw all people" really mean? Does it literally mean every single soul or does it mean people from all nations and tongues etc.? Jesus said about the pharisees to leave them, because they are blind leading the blind and that no one can come to Him except His Father leads them to Him. Clearly not all are being lead to Jesus. Jesus said many are called but few are chosen, who are these chosen? He said that if it would be possible, even the elect would be deceived, so these elect are in a special position where it is impossible for them to be deceived.

[@jcthomas3408]

@@nikokapanen82 All men have opportunity to come to the cross. Not just all types of men, that would be reading into the text. He says no one can come unless the father draws them, then tells us that at the cross all can come. Can, but not will. When Jesus is talking about the chosen 12, he points out that even though he chose them, one turned on him. John 6:70 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” So choosing them does not automatically mean they are believers.

[@Miroslaw-rs8ip]

Excellent perspective and well said 👍

[@pattipurkiss]

Amen! Israel was chosen for a redemptive purpose. To bring the saving knowledge of the One true God to the whole world! They failed, but our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ didn't! He was and is still working, to bring salvation to those who will come by faith! Thank you pastor for explaining this with such simplicity. (I need simple)🙂

[@beppiek]

THOSE WHO WILL RESPOND TO GOD AWAKEN WHAT DIED IN THE GARDEN … THE VERY THING CREATED IN THEIR IMAGE THEIR LIKENESS THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE TURNED AROUND AND PUT ON THE NARROW TRACK NO MAN NO MAN “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@brandedforchrist]

Did you noticed how he didn’t mention election as it is Christ but only focused on the election of Israel? That alone is proof that this man is an enemy of Christ but those who are not Christ’s will not see it but those who are Christ’s will see it and flee from him

[@dankmartin6510]

@@beppiek And the father drew all to him - please dont ignore other passages to make your clanging point.

[@beppiek]

@@dankmartin6510 what passage is that?

[@negf22]

Wow, thanks for making that clear----for the 1st time!😎

[@PracticalBibleStudies]

God doesn't choose people for hell. He chooses them for heaven. It's a fairly important distinction. None of us are worthy of heaven at all. Every person saved is a miracle.

[@soundimpact4633]

The answer to predestination is in understanding that God is omnipotent omnipotent and omnipresent. Jehovah understands and sees the beginning from the end and the end from the beginning. He knows who will turn away and He knows who will repent and return. I believe we are sealed from the foundation of the Earth, but because the father knows that we will choose Him, because we always have free will and choice. This is beyond our comprehension as a human. This is a greater Kingdom principle and a mystery. The Lord Jesus knows what sheep belong to him, and He will seek out His sheep. While He knows, we do not. It is up to us to continually stay in relationship with Him.

[@1974jrod]

They were chosen as a distinct people, and the people with whom the Messiah would come from. They were chosen for fulfillment of prophecy.

[@medicalmisinformation]

"...God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation" -2 Thessalonians. Dr. Heiser is sometimes flippant in his dismissal of clear scriptural teachings, as he is when he pretends Hell might not be eternal.

[@BabyFed]

I think a huge misconception among people first introduced to the doctrine of election is that God “predestines” or “sends” people to hell. He does no such thing. Damnation is already our destination due to our being born of a sinful nature. That is why God the Father did his saving work through God the Son to bring us back into a relationship with Him and out of the direction we are already headed (hell - eternity outside of/apart from God). It is by His grace and mercy we are saved alone through faith in Christ as our lord and savior. We are completely and utterly without merit for being saved and yet He loves us so much that some, chosen of His good and perfect will, are brought into glory with Him. Rather than asking “Why doesn’t God save everyone?” it’s likely best to ask “Why does God save anyone?”. And the simple answer is... for His glory!

[@thetruthchannel349]

*Election is functional not personal. So, a group of people are 'chosen' not to BE something but to DO something. It falls right in line with the Seed Principle found all throughout the Bible*

[@markdaniels1730]

God wants all people to be saved because He is love, and love is not self-seeking. (1 Timothy 2:4, 1 John 4:8, 1 Corinthians 13:1)

[@lukusmaximus]

Who gave us this sin nature from birth?

[@BabyFed]

@@lukusmaximus Adam lol

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@BabyFed *Exactly*

[@tourmaline7385]

Excellent explanation

[@The.Tamayo]

Make a narrow cut at 1.25k to get rid of that feedback ring.

[@thetruthchannel349]

*I think youd have to make a few eq notches between 1k & 3k to get rid of that. Those headset mics are notorious for that. We had a set up with a cluster that was right over the podium and the guy insisted on a headset mic. The feedback from those things is annoying like nothing else except maybe for acoustic guitars.*

[@ohyau2]

I think it's a little lower, aroung 800 hz.@@thetruthchannel349

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@ohyau2 Ya, theres 2 different rings. One from the room ambience as a result of the feedback and the other from the feedback itself so it could even dip down to 400hz.

[@jared0817]

I found my people! So this is where the church sound guys hang out lol I'm wondering if this was recorded on a room mic not direct from the board.

[@SpiritnTruth2.0]

Ah, here’s the “kink” in his armor. Understandably we all have kinks. RIP Dr. Heisler. Thank you for your serving.

[@marconi314]

I love being challenged. As a Calvinist in my theological belief structure, I need to look into this more. Is it a dispensational thing? It would be very interesting - using his own words stating that being chosen (or elect) does not equate to being eternally saved - to see him argue Romans 8:30. This is what is known as "The Golden Chain" and it reads like this (ESV), "And those whom he PREDESTINED he also CALLED, and those whom he CALLED he also JUSTIFIED, and those whom he JUSTIFIED he also GLORIFIED." I would agree entirely that many, many Israelites did not enter God's rest (heaven) due to idolatry. The scriptures call them "my chosen people". But I don't believe that that means that each one of them was a chosen person. It's good for me to wrestle with this! It will either help to change my mind as a Calvinist, or it will help to solidify it. Thank you, Dr. Heiser.

[@jcthomas3408]

Read all of Romans 8. This is not instructions on how to be saved. Notice the past tense. Paul is encouraging Christians to see how God has been faithful to previous believers, and he will be faithful to them as well (even in the midst of persecution). Those who are predestined for heaven first were called, but it does not say all who were called believed. In fact, Judas was chosen, but not glorified. All are drawn, but not all believe.

[@saludanite]

Calvinists have their Pantheon; Jesus is generally down near the bottom, certainly below Paul.

[@rayner7188]

Nowhere in the verse that it says "Chosen/Elect" . God chosen people for Himself but it didn't mean it was meant of salvation . Then what would other verses mean if even the other people not knowing Christ be saved by following a different law by conscience and knowledge , a law to themselves they're judge by it , we will be judged according to what we already have Christ Jesus as our representative and judge our lawyer before God the Father , that's salvation . Not election .

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@saludanite you're confused !

[@davidjanbaz7728]

Keep listening to Dr Heiser's videos: he doesn't endorse dispensatioalism either !

[@franklehane8843]

Taken from BibleRef: "What does Romans 9:7 mean? Not everyone physically descended from Israel actually belongs to Israel. That's what Paul wrote in the previous verse. He seems to have meant something similar to what he wrote in Romans 2:28 that "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly." The spiritual aspect of our relationship with God is far more important than our ethnicity, heritage, or biology. Now Paul begins to give examples from Israel's history to clarify his point. To begin with, not all of Abraham's offspring were counted as the "children of Abraham." Some of them were not included in God's promises to Abraham's descendants. Both Abraham's son Ishmael, born before Isaac (Genesis 16), and his sons with Keturah, born long after Isaac (Genesis 25:1-4) were excluded from Israel. Paul quotes from Genesis 21:12 where God said to Abraham that it is through Isaac that his offspring will be named. Jesus made similar remarks to His critics, as recorded in the gospel of John (John 8:36-39)."

[@SOG8014]

The Bible is clear that salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ! Genesis 15:6: “And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.” Habakkuk 2:4: “Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.” Mark 1:15: “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.” Mark 16:16: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” Luke 8:12: “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.” Luke 7:50: “And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.” Luke 8:12: “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.” John 1:12: “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:” John 3:(14,)15: “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.“ John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:18: “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 5:24: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John 6:35: “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.” John 6:40: “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. “ John 6:47: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 7:38: “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.” John 8:24: “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” John 11:25: “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:” John 11:26: “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?” John 12:46: “I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.” John 16:27: “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.” John 20:31: “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” Acts 2:21: “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Acts 5:14: “And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)” Acts 8:12: “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:13: “Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.” Acts 8:37 (8:35-38): “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” Acts 10:43: “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” Acts 11:17,18: “Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

[@SOG8014]

@Shameless Papist good luck with everything hey bro

[@bjones5791]

Thank you Dennis,that was not lost on me!...It's so sad to see these catholics trying so hard to willfully reject plain scripture.If they really got into Mr.Heiser these guys would see what gods they are literally worshipping.It freaks me out because i'm a first responder and prison minister that sees so many good things these guys do within the community,then turn right around and kiss up to dead powerless idols.Anyway,you're much appreciated 👊❗️

[@SOG8014]

@@bjones5791 👍🏻😎 It’s all what Jesus did for us not what we do for Jesus faith alone in Christ Jesus alone period! Thank you Jesus ❤️🙏🏻

[@raydawgrules]

1st Kings 19:18 / Romans 11:4…I have kept (other translations say reserved, or leave, or spared) 7000 who will not bend their knee. I need to hear his exegesis on this passage, also Romans chapters 3 and 9. mankind is a slave to sin and will not choose God.

[@2GunRock]

If our pulpits were filled with preachers like Dr. Heiser, our churches would be equally filled.

[@brandedforchrist]

Very true indeed, our churches will be filled with dead people, dry bones, unregenerate people and enemies of Christ because that’s who Mr Heiser was, he preached another christ and another gospel just like in this clip, saying we are saved by our obedience which is totally and completely heretical . “See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭ ⚠️

[@2GunRock]

@@brandedforchrist You have no idea what you're talking about. Dr. Heiser explained his exegesis a thousand times and it never included anything but ONE GOD THE CREATOR (Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent), YAHWEH, the one and only Creator, while all other were created. It pointed out a slew of scriptures were disembodied spirits (angels, fallen angels et al.) were referred to as Elohim in the Bible, BUT ONLY ONE ELOHIM IS YAHWEH. He even shows in the Psalms where Yahweh refers to angels as Elohim simply by being disembodied spirits, but YAHWEH tells them you are all Elohim, but you are going to die like men because you disobeyed me. IOW'a there are plenty of Elohim, but on one Elohim is YAHWEH. It refers the Devine Council in Psalms and Deuteronomy. God didn't NEED any of them, but He wanted a family in the spiritual realm, than wanted likewise in the material realm (us). In both cases a rebellion ensued. Anyway I'm done with this conversation, other than to say Heister made it clear a thousand times he rejected polytheism and believe there were many Elohim's YAHWEH created, but there was ONLY ONE Yahweh. That's it, I'm done. Never argue with the ignorant because they have more practice at it.

[@brandedforchrist]

@@2GunRock Is Jesus Christ Yahweh? That’s my only question . I know all Mr heiser taught and I’m very familiar with his doctrines and I’m telling you that he was wrong and misinterpreted the scriptures.. . Heiser said God was speaking to angelic beings in Psalm 82 when God called them gods BUT when Jesus Christ made reference to that very verse in the Psalms, He was referring to men, so who should we believe? Mr Heiser or Jesus Christ? You have believed Mr Heiser because he sounds so smart and eloquent but as for me and my household, I’ll believe Jesus Christ

[@2GunRock]

@@brandedforchrist YES, Dr. Heiser was an UNAMBIGUOUS Trinitarian who believed Jesus is God. And he didn't only use Psalms 82 for the Divine Council theology he used Deuteronomy and a slew of OT scriptures as well. Even angels are called Elohim throughout the OT, and we know some are JESUS (manifesting Himself before His time), like the Burning Bush (I AM) for example. The Trinity are ALL Elohim, "disembodied spirits", but only ONE ELOHIM (The Trinity, all being the same Yahweh) are Yahweh (creator, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent etc.), the Creator who created everything, including the Elohim. Lastly, if the Elohim in the Divine Council are MEN, what are they doing in the heavens and why is God telling them they are all Elohim (fallen angels), but they will die like men. If they are MEN, that's just stating the obvious/ Of course they will die like men if they are MEN and not Elohim. When Yahweh sent an angel to direct Moses or Abraham, God made sure to tell him, make sure you listen to this one. THIS ONE is different than all the rest, with the authority to Judge you. They had seen Elohim (angels) before, but God warns them, listen to every word of this one ... THIS ONE is different than all the rest (God's unique son/the God of the Trinity). Lastly, Dr. Heister doesn't "sound so smart", he is smart, having devoted his entire life to learning the scriptures in every language and the original text, so he was able to correct some errors in the English versions. Don't be envious. Learn! Devoting his life to the Bible in Hebrew, Greek etc., every word, is admirable and not to be mocked. There is not a word or verses in the Bible where he couldn't give you the original text and meaning. He always said his primary board was to get the modern out of your head, STOP THINKING LIKE A MODERN, and think in far more spiritual terms like the ancient Israelites. Stop being afraid of your Bible if it doesn't verify your modern thinkings. For example about half of Christians just dismiss or explain away Genesis 6, the story of the fallen angels and Nephilim, because it's not what they learned in Sunday School and it's too weird ...which is sad because Jesus Himself warned that the last day would be like it was in the day of Noah (i.e. Hybrids). Trans-humanism?

[@brandedforchrist]

@@2GunRock Come on my friend, don’t you have the Spirit in you? Why do you need a man to teach you the scriptures using philosophy when God can teach it to you in truth.. You rely on Mr Heiser to tell you the truth and that’s where you err greatly to the point where you can’t see the truth as it is in Jesus Christ.. . Do angels die? No they don’t, so why would God tell them that they will die like men since angels cannot die? Is God confused? I certainly do not think so.. . You clearly ignored the fact that Jesus said that that verse in the book of Psalms was actually referring to men and not angels and that’s how seductive Mr Heiser teachings are, you begin to reject anything and everything even the words of the Lord Himself so that you can continue believing the lie.. Jesus quoted that verse to prove that God called men gods in the scriptures and the Jews were angry with Him for saying He’s the Son of God, nowhere did Jesus even for a second hint at that verse referring to angels at any time but men like Heiser whom you think is a Bible scholar are preaching otherwise and you’re accepting it.. . I don’t care if Mr Heiser spent his life studying all the scriptures in all the languages in the world, you can devote your life to studying and researching the scriptures all you want, if you don’t have the Holy Spirit teaching it to you, you’re no better than the Pharisees and the Sadducees who were scholars of the scriptures but couldn’t recognize God.. . No man can change the scripture not even Mr Heiser.. He came with a new revelation and interpretation of the word and many who are not built on Christ flocked after him, he has spoiled so many with philosophy and history of the second Jewish temple which has nothing whatsoever to do with understanding the scriptures.. . I was once a student of Mr Heiser myself, I spent a year learning all his lies and fabrications of the word until the Lord granted me repentance to see through his lies and I pray He will do same for you my friend..

[@Orbservation]

What Heiser does not grasp is this: everyone is called to serve the Lord, but not everyone called to serve the Lord is also called to be saved, elected. Jesus makes this clear about the 12 disciples in John 17. The same applies to the nation of Israel.

[@marshallmajor4971]

Once again, Dr. Heiser applies reasoning and it works quite well.

[@lynncomstock1255]

Not reasoning but exegesis which seeks to understand what the original speaker or writer meant by the words in their context,

[@brandedforchrist]

@@lynncomstock1255 And who’s the Writer of the scriptures? I know Mr Heiser has told you guys that it is Jewish men that wrote the scriptures but that’s a lie, it is God who wrote the scriptures and it God who teaches us the scriptures not men.. Mr Heiser tries to get into the mind of the physical writers of the Bible instead of him to get inside the mind of Christ so that he can understand the scriptures as the truth is in Christ Jesus and you blindly follow him into the minds of the writers instead of getting into of the mind of Christ through Spirit .. Repent!

[@dankmartin6510]

@@brandedforchrist Heiser has other believes that I think may be damning like this divine council being a way to sneak polytheism in, but I havent seen enough to really condemn his theology though it is concerning none-the-less.

[@brandedforchrist]

@@dankmartin6510 There’s a post in this channel where Mr Heiser said that the reason why Jesus Christ doesn’t know when He will return is because He wasn’t fully God in the flesh, that Jesus Christ wasn’t omniscient in the flesh and that His flesh limited His Deity, isn’t that complete heresy? Will the Holy Spirit teach a man that Jesus Christ wasn’t fully God in the flesh? . Mr Heiser uses philosophy and traditions of the Jews to spoil those who haven’t learned of Christ, he tries to get into the minds of the writers of the Bible instead of him to seek the mind of Christ who Authored the Bible but used men as vessels to accomplish it.. The writers were not writing from their own understanding, they were writing what the Spirit wanted them to write and it is the Spirit who teaches us the scriptures because He authored it. . I have been listening to Heiser for years but God brought me out of his false teachings that are totally contrary to the truth.. . Imagine saying God was speaking to the divine council when He said “let us make man in our own image” and people believed it.. He also said that Psalms 82 was God speaking to the divine council but when Christ referenced that verse of scripture, He said God was speaking to men and He used to defend His claim that He’s the Son of God.. The contradictions in his teachings are so glaring to those who have learnt of Christ to an extent because the truth is in Christ Jesus

[@hendry79]

Thanks Michael for that, for I was struggling with this question because it seemed it somehow violent freewill

[@24June91]

Can yo give me a Bible verse that proves free will? (not choice, but free will). We are all constrained by or genetics, or history, or parents, or surroundings, etc.

[@alinpetrescu2309]

@@24June91 Free will does not mean you're not constrained. Free will means you are free to do what you want given the circumstances. Free will is NOT "total freedom", rather the freedom to think and act for yourself

[@Charles.Wright]

@@24June91 - nobody is claiming free will, in the way you seem to understand it. If we had THAT kind of free will, I would reach through the internet and smack a few people for their YT comments!

[@hendry79]

Jan, I think freewill in the bible meens free in your mind to think freely (act to but act is in the mind before you act)

[@AA-vl3gu]

Think of it this way. It will become clear after death what our own will was for. Standing face to face with Jesus will settle within you what it was for on this earth. Not for all the silly debate and technicalities but to be convinced to believe on him.

[@Hotel_Chuck]

I have never heard a bigger misunderstanding of the doctrine of election than what he just presented.

[@jeanjacket4238]

I agree, for thousands of years elect meant elect even church fathers agreed on this. Just recently is where we get people arguing in big groups against it. Of course we had small groups come back then to argue but were considered false after presenting the argument.

[@truthseeker5698]

Charles, time to choose to be informed , not reformed. Calvinism is a deception from the satan.

[@blakekendall6156]

Heiser is a hebrew scholar. He is explaining how the elect worked in ancient Israel. Whether/how that applies to the church is a separate matter.

[@stanforddickson6349]

You got it! Glad you can objectively see that. Got to read patiently, meditation, from the lenses of the Hebrew context, culture etc…

[@Hotel_Chuck]

@@blakekendall6156 yep. A linguist. Not a theologian.

[@jasonmoncusgundinamo1811]

So when it says “even the elect would be deceived if it were possible” I think in revelation how do we square that

[@Kevin_KC0SHO]

This is fascinating. If the word elect means, “to have access to the truth” then Matt 24;24 takes on new meaning.

[@josuemunoz5079]

First time seeing this!!! Thanks!!

[@bryanandjamie2032]

Sure does, great catch! For those who ask how the elect can be fooled and lose their salvation, they don't necessarily have it

[@abashedsanctimony154]

Elect means chosen. Elect: chosen to service. Gnosis means knowledge of spiritual information. Gnosticism: is teaching the knowledge of that information in a deceptive way. There is a responsibility to knowing the 'Truth', and that you are 'elect'. For only Christ is the Elect One. His Truth requires men to share that truth as they are His servants. The 'knowledge' only comes from those truly in Him Christ. Gnosis means knowledge. I had a comment deleted months ago when stating to become a god is to self-promote oneself to a ruler, authority, when God did not. Knowing knowledge of salvation and using against God's will is gnosticism.

[@justinturner7502]

that's smart I bind fascinating and multyfacets of mankind and the earthly ungodly

[@Holly070]

@@abashedsanctimony154 was the tree of knowledge of good and evil the avenue or portal to Gnosticism?

[@bgail20]

Good teaching I completely agree with you on this topic.

[@ThePlagueGameing]

I don't believe in coincidence. I did not "stumble" upon Dr Heiser. He connected many many dots for me in regards to the unseen realm. I'll be eternally grateful. He has no questions now. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@HaleStorm49]

If a people today were elect, and both had access to the truth and learned who the true God is... how would they (and their beliefs) be viewed by mainstream christianity?

[@eversosleight]

The dislikes are calvinists.😅 But seriously, great material Dr. Heiser🤓👍👍

[@87solarsky]

The Nine?! Ring wraiths...

[@abashedsanctimony154]

One Election to rule them all.

[@matthewadamson4687]

Still miss you Dr Heiser.

[@kiyasuihito]

There are different things God chooses ppl for. Context is king.

[@masont2429]

I see Dr Heiser’s point and agree that elect in the sense he used it doesn’t equal salvation. But how does Romans 8:33 fit into that view of the elect?

[@tonyswietochowski2282]

“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

[@doublecutnut753]

Yes, the ones that wore the wedding garments were chosen.

[@johntrevett2944]

Yes. And ALL that are called are justified and glorified. Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

[@PinoyMusicRevolution]

Common Predestination understanding of Mainstream Christianity is also Calvinism.

[@Jus4kiks]

@@johntrevett2944 Not too fast, those whom he predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son - those were called etc.. All of those predestined to be conformed, not all that were called.

[@johntrevett2944]

@@Jus4kiks The text says ALL that are called ARE justified AND glorified. Not everyone is called.

[@OC3707]

The word election has different meanings according to the context.

[@jpaul1599]

The truth is Israel is GOD's elect to bring everyone to faith ; and the truth is GOD foreknew that Israel would not heed but disobey and indulge in spiritual adultery. GOD has remained faithful to Israel and at His appointed time Jerusalem her spiritual heart will return to HIM as the bride, and thereafter be faithful, righteous and incorruptible.. Shalom

[@ChuckWelsh]

Don't confuse Israel with the Church. Replacement theology doesn't cut it. Romans 9, 10 and 11.

[@transformationofthebride2295]

There is a distinction between corporate election and individual election. Romans 9 is talking about individual election, not corporate election. Romans 9:11-13 KJV - (11) (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to ELECTION might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) (12) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. (13) As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

[@CarlosFerreira-gt1cr]

What about the difference between the two covenants? I think the last one provid something best for us. Yes, we have to remain faithful and loyal but this is his work in us by his Spirit.

[@bradwebb7955]

Indeed, all that God requires, He provides!

[@ranbran2948]

I love brother Michael. So I have to believe that he genuinely did not understand the doctrine of election, and that he was not intentionally straw-manning it here.

[@swenner64]

Michael, you influenced me, whether you meant to or not, but your writings have moved me towards Orthodox Christianity. Your views are right along with their theology. Look out you might be Orthodox too!

[@WhiteDove73-888]

Great stuff as always sir!

[@glf2424]

All of you be sure to listen to his Naked Bible podcasts and other material. I have personally learned so much from this man and his knowledge of ancient languages and the culture of that time has only enriched my understanding of the old testament and making the new testament even more astounding and relevant. His work opened up a whole new perspective and depth of understanding of Father's word and work in the heavenly and earthly realms.

[@stephenbarningham330]

God IS HOLY! AND HOLINESS CAN ONLY EVER BE IMPUTED! NEVER OBTAINED BY MERE HUMAN EFFORT! PEOPLE HAVE THE CHOICE TO EITHER RECIEVE OR REJECT HIS IMPUTED HOLINESS! PERIOD! God bless you 🙏❤

[@JonathanGrandt]

Oh man there’s this feedback that’s killing my head.

[@N1976DL]

A lot of theological gymnastics to prove the unknowable.

[@AndJusticeForMe]

Amen. 😄

[@TheRomans9Guy]

This teaching is exactly correct.

[@tarascoterry]

Wrong

[@markoh6641]

So, what would be your take on Romans 9:17-23 then? It seems like a good argument in favor of predestination.

[@rep10101]

Awesome as always

[@cjnav7832]

ABBA Father loved the WHOLE WORLD in Jn 3:16 Even though He knows who will end up in the Lake of Fire, Verse 18 is why people go to hell and it doesn't say by some sort of pre-election to go to hell: Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Thank you, Michael. Lord bless you, brother.

[@adegbeyekayodecoadegbeye8077]

Thank you sir. Ye shall know the truth...

[@ivangonzalez7574]

Not all Israel is Israel. Meaning not every physical descendant of Abraham is elect. Not everyone who says a prayer of salvation, attends a church building and speaks Christianese is saved. Paul touches on all the great biblical themes in that hyper-complex sentence - sanctification, adoption, redemption, and glorification - and all of them rest on one foundational doctrine, the doctrine of election. The most superlative spiritual blessings stand on Ephesians 1:4 - "He chose us [elected us] in Him before the foundation of the world." More on this here: www.oneplace.com/ministries/grace-to-you/read/articles/is-the-doctrine-of-election-biblical-9025.html

[@heyman5525]

That's not what it means. It never says that. In fact. Paul goes on to say that the reason some the elect did not find the righteousness of God was because they didn't seek it by faith. The Bible never says that any descendant of Abraham was not elect. Their descendency and lineage is their election.

[@paeng46]

@@heyman5525 Election according to the flesh and election of grace are not the same. The former is *_"to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises"._* The latter is chosen *_"to the adoption of children; to live a sanctified, holy life and without blame before (God) in love"_* (see Ephesians 1:4-5).

[@heyman5525]

@@paeng46There is only one consistent covenant which the covenant and blessing to Abraham and his descendants. Now, you're going to have to somehow make a case that those within that covenant were not actually in that covenant. Because those are the elect. And you're going to have to somehow make a case that God's election was not real election due to dispensations.

[@paeng46]

@@heyman5525 "They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed"(Romans 9:8). And "know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham"(Galatians 3:7). "So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham."(v.9).

[@heyman5525]

@@paeng46 But that doesn't even remotely say that there were some in the election of Israel who were intentionally unelected by God. That's a made up idea.

[@abuyen16]

Thank you for your teaching...I thank God for you...

[@keithstarkey5584]

When the Apocalypse comes, God will point the finger at Mike and say, "Hey, he's the one who insisted on telling it like it is; how long did you think this could happen before the end would come?"

[@rsbrehm]

RIP Dr Heiser... however this is one of the things I was critical of: Some of the teachings were "distinction without a difference."

[@DevinWardMusic]

Where’s this full teaching at?

[@whodeytko]

It’s part of his awakening school of theology. You have to enroll to get the full lecture. I am part of the first class. Totally worth it if you love Heiser. They have online an online platform.

[@DevinWardMusic]

@@whodeytko thanks! I’ve read all his books and enjoy his scholarship. I’ll have to check it out!

[@MrAJW1983]

He's confusing national election in the OT and personal election described in the gospels, Romans, and Ephesians. it's not a very honest argument to complete ignore that distinction and then give a sweeping dismissal of all Christian history because they maintain the distinction.