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[@Seraph68]

God is "ever-changing" is probably one of the worst theological positions to hold. What's to stop God from changing back? "As God, I became cool with homosexual marriage but y'all took this too far. Now ALL homosexuality is a sin again!" I say that in jest but it is the reality of saying God is ever-changing, there is no solid truth in that god and no way that we can rely on his faithfulness, he could just as easily change back to the "Levitical" God as he could remain the "Progressive" God.

[@roscowbrown3937]

Well we have to prove that God exists before we can consider whether he is changing or not

[@devanne3]

It's even worse when the Word of God is straight forward on this. It's literally in opposition to the Word of God! ‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬ [6] For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

[@roscowbrown3937]

@@devanne3 Yeah, but that word still has yet to be proven

[@devanne3]

​@@roscowbrown3937I don't know why you are projecting your unbelief and unanswered questions on me as if because you cannot find the answer now I too must make the same decision as you and walk the same road as you. I have experienced God from a young age. Praying prayers and it being answered. Heck even today. So why would I need to prove anything? When I am living in the proof?

[@roscowbrown3937]

@@devanne3 You’re saying that every single prayer you made in your life was answered?

[@lilchristuten7568]

"I am Yahweh, I do not change" Jesus didn't just hange around with 12 guys. He had 500 disciples both men and women. The bible even names a number of women that followed Jesus and funded His ministry. Notice how she said she hates the word "calling" when the bible specifically uses that word to describe when God gives a person a specific life mission.

[@chasebush7423]

Lmfao if you’re gonna argue for the Bible I would not bring up it’s inclusivity of women😂 the Bible is extremely misogynistic

[@lilchristuten7568]

@@chasebush7423 First, no it's not. Second I'm not arguing for the bible in this comment. I'm correcting a lie someone told regarding what Jesus did during His time on earth.

[@lilchristuten7568]

@@chasebush7423 First, no it's not. Second I'm not arguing for the bible in this comment. I'm correcting a lie someone told regarding what Jesus did during His time on earth.

[@fisheroffish1034]

@@chasebush7423elaborate

[@nbell0089]

@@chasebush7423it really isn’t misogynistic

[@Afroman1837]

Jesus' bride is His church whom He went to the cross for, and therefore He had no reason or purpose for marrying some women(and certainly no man). If someone doesn't understand that, they have no business calling themselves a pastor.

[@redhood5264]

I often question this myself. So to be more like Jesus should those with these preferences also take a marriage with the church, instead of taking on wives? Like is God's purpose for those with the romantic and physical attachment for their same gender to simply live a life that is without romantic and physical gift of a spouse?

[@richievanessa85]

@@redhood5264God created man in his image and a woman in a man’s image. When man and woman come together we procreate. All throughout the book of Genesis God told his people to “be fruitful and multiply”. His word is very clear that homosexuality is a sin because it is an abomination for his design between man and woman. The devil creates these same sex desires through lust. He cannot create what a God has already made so he twist and perverts everything. The sin is lust that is a domino effect of other things that can happen to Gods people. That is why we get delivered by the power of Jesus and after deliverance also continue to follow God by obeying his word and completely submitting to his will for us.

[@redhood5264]

@vanessarichie2116 I don't really think this answered my question. Also I'm fairly certain most translations say that God created them Man and Woman in his image. But my question is more along the lines of what are people to do if they feel no attraction to woman? God calls for people to be fruitful and multiply but I don't think that is everyone's ability or capability.

[@tori_va807]

​@@redhood5264My brother you are not forced to marry. There are some people that are born eunuchs. The Bible says if you cannot contain, marry. But if you can, dedicate your life to the Lord. He won't hate you because you're not married. Paul wasn't married either

[@redhood5264]

@tori_va807 oh lol ummm I'm engaged. I was mostly asking as a theological/moral quandary that I have. I also wouldn't equate eunich to attracted to men. One physically cannot have children while the other can physically have children, which leans more towards the be fruitful and multiply. While at the same time I would say people who feel a same s3x connection probably shouldn't marry someone of opposite s3x (unless they swing both ways)

[@dg7k]

Their standpoints are all worldly desires and they, have no self restraint so they try to find loop holes around the Bible ( even though there isn't one ) to justify what they want.

[@KaeFwam]

That’s what every Christian does. You don’t live as the Bible teaches, buddy.

[@emilialopez6814]

All i can think watching this is Gods loving mercy and kindness that He has not come yet so that people have time to repent.

[@greenturtle407]

When it comes to the point of Jesus never saying anything about homosexuality, I think the point is that the disciples never put it in their books because their books were primarily wrote the the Jews. It was well before Peter was in the vision where he was told to get up, kill and eat. It was well before the apostle Paul was called to the gentiles. And the Jews understood that homosexuality was sin, so why would they mention it? There was no need to because the Jews understood that that was sin. I don't know, maybe I am wrong but is that not a possibility?

[@arighteousrebelliousheart]

Good point.

[@BornR3STLESS]

What you are saying makes a lot of sense. Jesus also said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17). Jesus was speaking to people that assumed to already know the Jewish law, so as you said, if homosexuality has already been established as a sin, then there was no real reason for him to go in that much depth into it. I think also the homosexuality is a lot clearer to define compare to something like adultery, another reason why Jesus may not have gotten into more depth.

[@justhair17]

Yeah, and Jesus himself said he does not replace the old rules, which states homosexuality is a sin

[@greenturtle407]

@@BornR3STLESS Agreed, there were things that were just known to be sin and Jesus did not need to comment on them.

[@littledrummergirl_19]

This is a really great point

[@e.m.8094]

It's really scary that these guys are "pastors". Have any of them actually read the Bible?

[@AChippendale]

My guess would be that they read some and decided that their feelings were more valid than theology.

[@justhair17]

They probably have part of it, but they cherry-pick it and take it out of context to fit their own narrative

[@roscowbrown3937]

@@justhair17kinda like people like Isaac who focus on bashing gay people but never focus on all the awful things God did in the Bible, that kinda cherry-picking?

[@justhair17]

@@roscowbrown3937 gay sex is a sin and God has only done awful things to awful people

[@rivkeg7599]

​@@roscowbrown3937what "awful" things has God done? If you mean punishing evil-doers... That's not awful, right? It's justice. And if you mean not letting people sin without consequences... Well, that's just plain dumb. Like calling a Father who disciplines their child "awful".

[@micahobri]

11:09 “Be fruitful and multiply” -Genesis 1:28, 9:1

[@johnnydied9563]

But it didn't say the only reason for that action is creation of human beings but that is one aspect of it.

[@TheStarshipGarage]

You can be a gay pastor in the same way you can be a flat earth astrophysicist. you cant.

[@roscowbrown3937]

You already believe in the Bible, then you can’t appeal to science, the world may as well be flat

[@AChippendale]

@@roscowbrown3937 science and religion don't contradict each other. Look closer.

[@uncle3403]

@@roscowbrown3937this may be heretical, but hear me out brother. What if the stranger stories of the Old Testament were merely a way to explain the creation of the universe and where man comes from to illiterate uneducated shepherds? Maybe eh? I’m not sure myself

[@roscowbrown3937]

@@uncle3403 it still contradicts science

[@BIGxPAPA91]

@@roscowbrown3937 No. It doesn't. It contradicts materialism and atheism that so many conflate with science. But the Church invented science and many of the most important scientific discoveries came from Christians.

[@PastorZministries]

Jesus did talk about sexual sin! Matthew 15:19

[@joshgoulash4889]

13:56 It appears people who complain the loudest about purity culture tend to overcorrect and think that this individual shouldn't feel any shame or guilt about these kinds of sin

[@troutslayer19]

I think one of our biggest problems as people is overreaction. We see a problem so we swing wildly to the other extreme (this is often driven largely by emotion), which then causes a whole new set of problems, so we swing back the other way. We need to stop, take a deep breath, dig into the Word, and follow the Truth. The Way is narrow.

[@RetiredTroll7]

@@troutslayer19based

[@davideassis87]

You can be a Gay Pastor just like you can be a Vegan Butcher, I guess.

[@_zamazungu_]

😂😂😂

[@ITSCOGEY]

great example lol

[@christophersanders3252]

Or a truthful politician.

[@adisadewa1337]

Or you can be a chicken that supporting KFC 😁

[@AChippendale]

This made me snort laugh 😂😂😂😂 fantastic comment. I'm going to use this in real life.

[@MikeMethot256]

The fact that we have "Gay" and "Pastor" in the same sentence is extremely frightening and shows how far downhill we have actually gone.

[@roscowbrown3937]

The fact that people believe in the Bible at all shows that we were already downhill from the beginning

[@chef_boysauce4399]

@@roscowbrown3937why are you on a Christian channel? Are you just here to spread negativity and talk down to people you hate?

[@rodster811]

​@@roscowbrown3937 Nope

[@roscowbrown3937]

@@rodster811 the most compelling argument is no argument at all, I suppose

[@corwynprice1065]

@@roscowbrown3937 the fact that people even question it even tho there is proof that over 2,000 events in the new testament took place, but if you don’t believe the Bible, what were you doing in a Christian video

[@blakecarnes9400]

I think a big reason this is such an issue is because so many people identify as their sexuality. This is why they feel the need to choose between being queer or being holy. I'm in the process of being refined, as I'm sure most of you guys are. You do have to make the decision to live a different life, and it sucks sometimes. It's a good thing we don't have to do it alone :3

[@KiKi-tf8rv]

This is such a great comment. You’re absolutely right.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Spot on. A lot of them also want to hide behind contention to bury the deep shame they incur from existing within the boundaries of that lifestyle.

[@dominicadrean2160]

I have a question have any of you struggled with lust or perverted thoughts or adult content I struggle with controlling those thoughts it's even harder because I'm autistic which has a connection to hypersexuality or perverted thoughts that they can't control there's been many studies proving this I mainly get tempted at night time when I go to sleep. And when I wake up I have an urge to look it up for some reason but my brain is still not awake but I don't have a reason and I'm not thinking clearly on why I'm doing it it's just pure impulse Getting those thoughts in temptations in my head it's something I struggled with for a long time especially last night It's something I've been struggling with recently the past couple months but lust in private thoughts I've been dealing with for years I don't want it in my life I don't to be away from God because of that sin and I don't want it to stop God from working in my life blessing me and stopping me from living a holy life And being a good husband because I want a good Godly wife( I'm still a virgin and I've never been in a relationship, and I do get frustrated about that)

[@littlelion7439]

What I had to do, was get really... REAL. I have Aspergers. Ask yourself, when the thought comes... Do you love fulfilling that desire? Whatever your method is of fulfilling it, avoid it at all costs. What you need is deliverance from this demonic attachment. Begin to pray for the Lord to grow His anger and pure hatred for evil in your heart(proverb8:13, proverbs9:10-11). But honestly you need deliverance from this perverted spirit. Start telling yourself, NO EXCUSES! And when you fail, immediately repent and search your heart. Forgive me Lord for unbelief, for rebellion , for murder, for adultery, for pornography, for the evil desires of my heart. I surrender my will to you. HELP ME! PSALM 54 BEFORE YOU GO TO SLEEP. WHEN YOU WAKE UP. Start proffessing the word of God out loud and His promises from it. Simple things like, Lord you said if I submit myself to you and resist the devil, he'll flee from me. I'm calling on you. I believe. I believe. I believe. Increase my faith, out loud. Get thou behind me satan, the Lord Jesus Christ rebuke you! And now, understand this as well. If you're close to your wife, she also is experiencing what you. Are so you need to be brutally honest if that is possible with her and her with you, lay it at the Lord's feet (phillipeans 4:6-7) and have peace. Pray together, genuinely. Openly, what's really on your hearts. God bless you Jesus has got this. But we must take self accountability. A thought is a thought, how we react is on us. And Christ can and will do anything to help us. Love ya brother noseguard1388@gmail I would even be willing to exchange numbers with you to maybe if the Lord leads pray for you over the phone

[@spiritualisrael007]

I think most people struggle with lust at some point in life. I would always be so disappointed in myself after entertaining such thoughts or after looking at something that would trigger the thoughts, like a movie with a sex scene in it or something. Over the years, I've learned not to pay those thoughts any attention because I know I will just feel bad afterwards. Pray about it. God will help. And I think it is great that you are still a virgin. God will bless you. ❤

[@mikeg425]

Good tip is to just, when you’re not in the “mood”, sporadically delete all your socials and lock your content down. It’s hard and may take seasons to do this but it’s worth it I promise you, it’ll make u even forget about specific temptations. Get an accountability partner… and sometimes I do push-ups if a thought pops into my head, it deals with the adrenaline and testosterone in a way that takes away from sexual desire since I’m putting it to a different use.

[@devanne3]

From a guy who broke his virginity and was keeping myself for marriage. Trust me its not worth it. It's not worth breaking it. Temptations are also more difficult as my thoughts are more vivid and because I experienced it I know the smells, sounds, touch and have seen which makes temptation that much harder. It's not worth it brother.

[@Man.of.God30]

Prayer, Reading the Word of God, Fasting. Being in Worship, in and out of Church helps tremendously. The point is not just spending time with God, but constantly being in His presence. How so? We can't make ourselves clean. But, He can. It's a process. It takes longer for some more than others. The dirtier something is, the longer and harder you scrub to clean it. And all that pressure applied causes pain, which is why God takes His time with some more than others since we all have different ways of dealing with that pain. Our prerequisite for the change is faith, but to see it fulfilled requires perseverance. God doesn't force us, so we make the decision of choosing to seek Him so that we receive and inherit His blessings. To seek. It's action taken. And the list I mentioned at the start are the way. It worked for me. I used to be gay, but now I'm free. I'm now a Christian Pastor. Not exactly the same as lust, but homosexuality is worse and also carries the former. God is real, change is real. What I discovered within most Christians is the belief that God will one day change them. And, yes, but He won't if we don't seek that change. Why? Simple. Free will. He won't force it on you. The Bible mentions about not satisfying the carnal desires, but that's in the meantime until God finishes cleaning you from within (all the advice above from others helps in restraintuntil you're free of it). It's not meant to be a lifetime of self-supression. At one point, you're meant to be free of the jail cell. No more urges, no more of the want. And it's the same for any sin or addiction. It's spiritual deliverance. Our fight is not against flesh and blood, so how are you suppose to fight it? Whatever the sin, how? In the Spirit. Through God, thus the reason we ought to seek Him. God bless you! Even if it gets hard, press on, keep up the fight, maintain the faith. "Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses." (1 Timothy 6:12).

[@grahck4391]

It's soo funny when they say "It's such a hot button issue that Christ said nothing about same sex marriage". My point is that "No, it wasn't a hot button issue then." Besides, he did speak on marriage and defined what marriage should be like, which is between one man and one woman.

[@Danko_Sekulic]

Homosexual "marriage" was not an issue, because even those societies that were pretty tolerant of homosexuality did not practice it. Even the Spartans amd Athenians understood that marriage is about procreation!

[@Mytonealone]

I love the title because what in the world are they talking about? This is sick. I thought I had seen it all..

[@roscowbrown3937]

Discrimination towards innocent people is pretty sick, accepting people for who they are is not

[@Man.of.God30]

​@@roscowbrown3937Applauding and accepting perversion is sick. Explaining their error and sharing a path of hope that transforms is love. Why do you have it so backwards?

[@Shutyourmouth20]

@@Man.of.God30 Perversion? How is love or sex inherently perverse?

[@Man.of.God30]

@@Shutyourmouth20 That's not what I stated. Love is pure and sex is a natural part of human nature. Of course, when its twisted and contorted, or in other words perverted, it becomes a rotten, lustful perversion. You're confusing things.

[@Shutyourmouth20]

@@Man.of.God30 Homosexuality isn't a twisted or contorted version of heterosexuality.

[@ajclarke9189]

“A lot of fundamentalist Christians like to pretend the grass is green. Really? The bright pink grass is green?” Works Cited: Trust, Me Bro. Handbook of Creative Interpretation. Because Reasons Publishing, 2024.

[@biadrum]

I don't think marriage was in Jesus' life for the simple reason that he already had enough commitment to fulfilling the prophecy.

[@drawingdragon]

He was also... literally God in flesh. It'd be creating some very strange dynamics of jealousy, inequality, and so on if he entered into a marriage union with a fallen human (the heavenly ordinance created TO demonstrate to man God's love for His people in the first place) and have half-God children... It makes sense that He wouldn't intentionally raise those confusions, since they weren't part of His mission at all and if anything would've distracted from it

[@thomassandoval8025]

His bride is the Church.

[@tori_va807]

Ooh well Jesus was God so that would be a horrible horrible thing to do considering that literally everyone on earth is his creation or child or something like that. He used to refer to them as "daughter" in Matthew or "little children" during the last supper

[@savanahbbb]

God bless your work brother ! Love watching your content and hearing SOUND biblical knowledge !

[@NamelessKing1597]

4:35 He's perfect, by definition he doesn't need to change.

[@warriorpoet667]

“Progressive Christianity” isn’t Christianity.

[@alexcaraballo3189]

3:27 I always tell people, if the god you believe in is ok with everything that you do, and condemns everyone that you think should be concerned. I'm sorry, but your god doesn't exist. God is perfect. He is all loving, He is all merciful, but most of all He is holy, and just. And cannot allow sin to go unpunished.

[@alexcaraballo3189]

@Quint-ib4nf you don't exist lol

[@John-fk2ky]

@Quint-ib4nf bluntly speaking, to actually know that rather than only assert it, you would have to actually be a god (since you would have to know everything).

[@d.m.1421]

Like you, I was 😲 and 😄 when he said God is evolving. WHAT?!! God said that He is the same yesterday, today, & forever. 🤦‍♂️ DECEIVED!!

[@langleymiller]

Jesus was literally getting crucified and turned to women and said “cry for the women who cannot have children” so I think he definitely values women giving birth. Also Jesus is more than a man, so of course there’s no sexuality involved.

[@leslibarker6461]

God bless you, Isaac.

[@admill77]

In Genesis, several times God states he regrets decisions made. I think this where they are getting the idea that God is capable of changing his mind. I do think they are trying to take advantage of this to fit their ideology.

[@Dave-if5qj]

Progressive pasters Are sending so many souls To hell ,im glad god showed Me I needed to lay down My pride and take up my cross LGBT life is sach a miserable Existence , A relationship with jesus is the most beautiful Thing you can know

[@jalennmichael]

amen brother

[@Antnj81]

Also the one guy on the right side of the table pulling the "jEsUs nEvR seD aNyTHiNg aBoUt gAy bEiNg bAd sOoO0o iTz gUd" card is such a played out logical fallacy. Jesus never once mentioned rape either, so what do they think His stance on that was??? 🙄

[@juancruzleoni7612]

Fam the pastor on the right is not Catholic, no way he can be saying those things and call himself a pastor.

[@littledrummergirl_19]

Yeah, he’s probably evangelical or something, their clothes look similar to clerics that Catholic priests wear but allow like gay marriage and stuff

[@RedcoatHistory-gj7xf]

4:33 Most of the charts level of heresy I've ever seen.

[@thelifeofmaryd.2494]

I'd ask them, "if you found out right now, without any doubt God detested homosexuality, would you quit God?"🤷🏾‍♀️ Like, is that what their entire faith hangs on? Because it's strange they have to figure out answers God already provides. It's like they're afraid to submit. And the Bible being fallible gives them permission to do it. 🤔

[@Yipper64]

4:37 this is where you go fully into the realm of not believing in God, like that just isnt God anymore. Why would someone who is perfect need to change? This is just paganism, really, Hinduism, whatever other religion, belief in a "god" that is just a super powered man. 8:44 "if the divinity of god is in you" its not even subtle how these people literally see themselves as "god" in a sense.

[@AChippendale]

"how do you develop a healthy sexual ethic in Los Angeles in 2023?".... My POV....move away from LA. Come out of babylon. 😢 This is hard to watch

[@noahnaugler7611]

Jesus always affirmed the Moseic law. This the very same law that condemns homosexuality. He didn't say it explicitly because it was well understood and included implicitly in what he said

[@icxcarnie]

Malachi 3:6 I the Lord do not change. Why would God change with the culture? Let us pray for them.

[@ProdByRizzy]

Short answer yes

[@juneduffy4502]

I really hope not I haven’t watched it yet - but I could never take a gay pastor seriously- I would run for the hills 🫣

[@Jfernandez02]

​@@juneduffy4502Gay "Pastor"

[@Lucas-gm3bv]

@@juneduffy4502why not? You think your pastors aren’t all sinful people who lie, cheat and steal once every now and then? You think they’re immune to lust? You’re delusional!

[@Kiki-fe2le]

@@juneduffy4502Definitely a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

[@roscowbrown3937]

@@juneduffy4502I feel the same way about people who use a book to discriminate against innocent people, I can’t take them seriously, I run for the hills 🏃‍♂️

[@jackrobertson5423]

Hey Isaac, how's you and your family? I lost my Step-Granny in the new year and I don't think she was saved (but I hold onto the hope that she made the right choice at the last moment) so I thought I would ask how you were doing?

[@grahamjones5400]

Saying Progressive Christianity is like saying Pacifist Hate Militia.

[@roscowbrown3937]

Saying Christian is like saying fairy tale

[@rodster811]

​@@roscowbrown3937 This is not the rebuttal you think it is

[@roscowbrown3937]

@@rodster811 your response doesn’t seem like a rebuttal at all

[@rodster811]

@@roscowbrown3937 Just following your lead on non rebuttal statements

[@rodster811]

@@roscowbrown3937 Just following your lead on non rebuttal responses

[@tjtjmich16p]

Isegesis in the worst way, Putting your sins in the place of who God is, I remained celibate i must be gay wtf 😑🤦‍♂️ I have a lot of Male friends i must be gay, That's just so damn stupid.

[@petergarcia8225]

See how small we are compared to God. All we think of what Sex, Money, Power. God help us all.

[@reganwolf4405]

Even the Satan is confused 3 gay pastors😅 .

[@justhair17]

I mean I get that nobody is perfect and we also make mistakes and sometimes imagine God to fit our imagine, but this is just straight up herecy. Not only that, its also heavily illogical

[@Meteor_pending]

God is unchanging, any other opinion is heresy. Homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord and as the Lord said: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Mt. 5:17-18 ESV)

[@copyninja3899]

Yall one principality thats not called out enough is anger so today i pray for my self and others who my want to change or not that if you have any lust, anger, jealousy, greed i pray them away i pray we all can follow jesus to the best of our ability. Be with the body of Christ Amen

[@dimitriasimov356]

“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” Hebrews 13:8 Given that Jesus is Literally God pretty evident from this verse that he isn't "ever changing". How can you be a pastor and teach the bible but actually preach things contradictory to what it actually says. Jesus was clear in another verse about these false prophets and wolves in sheeps clothing. 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:15-20 Ironically the fruit of gay relationships is as barren as thorns and thistles compared to a grapevine. Kinda on the nose huh?

[@dmbatt]

Everything you criticise them for saying is actually true. Take a traditional Christian who believes in family values today and they are the complete opposite of Jesus Christ. Don't understand why this is so complicated...

[@Jonathan_McConnell]

Luke 11:11-12 "What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?" In the same way that God will not give us bad things when we ask Him for good things, God will not give us bad things when we ask for bad things that we think are good. Many people desire sin, but sin is bad for them, so God says no.

[@Mrs_Nanamitheoneandonly]

Didn't Jesus say he did not come to change or abolish the old commandments, but to complete them These people are in charge of congregations and are actively trying to lead people astray....

[@prostateexamfailure6508]

The old law is called the Mitzvah. The mitzvah was made up of three types of laws: Moral, Liturgical, and Judicial. The 10 commandments stand alone. The mitzvah was established as the code for the old covenant, the the old covenant was mainly that a Messiah would come from the bloodline of Abraham and that land would be given to Abraham and his descendants if they remained faithful to the Lord. The old covenant was reliant on the sacrifice of lambs with genuine faith and piety of the Lord in exchange for the maintenance of the covenant. The sacrifice would be done on the Tabernacle. The Tabernacle spent time in many places, the book of numbers had it in a tent that would be moved around when the Israelites traveled, and when they took over the promised land it remained in Jerusalem. Eventually the 1st temple would be erected and the Tabernacle was moved into it. During the 2nd temple period (The time when Jesus was alive), the temple was again the house of the Tabernacle. As I said before the purpose of animal sacrifice was to stay in communion and receive the forgiveness of God, but no sacrifice would be worth infinite forgiveness from God. When Christ Jesus died on the cross he was the last sacrifice, because of his divine nature and his sinless human nature, he was worth infinite amount of sacrifice. If there was no need for another sacrifice, then we do not need to follow the liturgical or judicial law linked to the sacrificial style covenant. Thus christians do not follow the Judicial or Liturgical laws, and only moral laws, they include: all sexual sins, theft, lying, murder, blasphemy, hatred, idol worship, and anything that goes against the 10 commandments with the exception of the 4th because it only applied to the Jews.

[@guffeliga8759]

4:38 "god is everlasting and ever changing" Oxymoron. Noun; a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction.

[@Gabriel_Walling]

Psalms 37:17 but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming. All I can say for them gay or whatever people btw Jesus is not queer because Jesus has not sinned gay is a sin so they cant say nothing

[@dapperdan9573]

You know I do recall God said this that I'm the same as today yesterday and forever I'm sorry but these people that think that their God is this my God is that you're crying in idle and you know how God feels about idols like they say God is a jealous God and you do not want to be on that end

[@porahi42nd]

Gods thoughts & ways are above man’s. He came with a purpose, he’s not his creation; rather the creator! Mankind will always have their opinions, but God cannot be changed if you truly have the Holy Spirit.. he lets you know about it.

[@maedoria454]

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

[@dapperdan9573]

You know you know the thing is not the sound overly Pious but why are some people ignoring the Bible now look this is coming from a guy that can't read very well so I don't read the Bible and I don't like Bible apps so but I do understand the Bible here and there if I could read I would definitely read the Bible but so take what I'm saying here with a grain of salt you have the problem is with a lot of people often than not we read the Bible thinking like oh well if I do this I'm going to never know no no no no here's the thing about the Bible the Bible is States facts and also this lady is trying to create her own Narrative of what she thinks a healthy sexual narrative is the Bible's pretty clear on what healthy sexual narrative is a man in the context of marriage sleeps with a woman within a context of marriage okay that's the that that's your plan for sexuality that's your plan for sexuality stick with it and you will not regret it it's worse for me centuries it will work for 5 million more centuries or however long it will take

[@paulnash6944]

“Jesus never said anything about homosexuality.” Actually, yes, he did mention homosexuality. When Jesus says the words, “sexual immorality,” he means all of it, including homosexual activity.

[@roscowbrown3937]

You’re just assuming what he meant by “immorality,” How do we know he wasn’t condemning straight relationships?

[@paulnash6944]

@@roscowbrown3937 Jesus affirmed the Old Testament, and lived out the Law of Moses, including the Moral Laws, which are unchangeable. God’s Moral Law makes homosexual sex and relationships illegal.

[@roscowbrown3937]

But Did these Laws reference homosexuality as a sinful act?

[@paulnash6944]

@@roscowbrown3937 Yes. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it *is* abomination.” -Leviticus 18:22, King James Bible “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood *shall be* upon them.” -Leviticus 20:13, King James Bible

[@Maksie0]

@@paulnash6944 Wow, sounds pretty stupid. Why would I care about a book with such disgusting things to say about people who aren't harming anyone?

[@LivingEpicness1]

Jesus came to fulfill the laws and to die for our sins. Not to justify modern beliefs.

[@unwise_TW]

If we’re going off of Dante’s inferno, there’s a special place in hell for people who twist the Bible’s teachings to suit their own narrative

[@TheCatsLibrary_1]

Since Jesus is God, and one of the persons of the Trinity is called the Father, it would be really weird if Jesus had any desire for humans or angels or anything else in creation. This doesn't make Him queer. The best argument using their framework would be that He's ace but I haven't heard anyone try that one, because they want to twist the facts to accommodate what they want to do with their lives instead of staying consistent in their own ideological framework.

[@rivkeg7599]

Yes, but remember Jesus was 100% human and He was tempted in everything we are

[@TheCatsLibrary_1]

@@rivkeg7599 The humanity and Godhood of Jesus is one of those nebulous theological questions that we don't have a concrete biblical explanation for how it works. I've heard that he had more the mind of God and the physical limitations of humans. The more human you assume Jesus to be, the more you can delude yourself into thinking that you can achieve perfection on your own. Also, hating your brother and lusting after someone are sins in of themselves, not temptations, so Jesus could not have have felt them.

[@XYGamingRemedyG]

"3 gay pastors sit down and talk" Sounds like the start of a joke...

[@EdDrow]

I wonder what they would reply to the topic of slavery since Jesus didn't mentioned it.

[@kristalsea]

He didn’t mention rape either

[@rogierb5945]

Progressive logic dictates he supports both.

[@elemntmusic]

Great video brother. God bless you.

[@rpstevo8965]

Heresy 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@leidibelcina577]

Thank you sir! You echo the teachings the church I attend preaches. Honestly, living in today's world is so exhausting but listening to genuine Christians talk about these issues are comforting.

[@NamelessKing1597]

5:52 He literally said he isn't here to change the law but to fulfill it. Nothing that he said was contradictory to the Old Testament he simply criticised the interpretation of it as not taking into account the purpose behind it. He clarified that the purpose behind the Bible is to bring us closer together and closer to God, and that if our interpretation of it takes us farter from that aim into division or sin it is incorrect.

[@jdiaz4877]

My god is "Bigger than the bible", yeah Im out!

[@AngelaItsme]

The MOST beautiful thing about God is that he does NOT change. He is the rock. And thank God for that.

[@Maksie0]

I don't think that's beautiful at all. The fact that your deity was thought up by humans who existed millennia ago means that now there's people like you who want society to be like it was back then. Regressive, deeply sexist, homophobic, and fundamentally unscientific.

[@neodaltiair8624]

Savage title sheesh.

[@keeperofthetriforce7]

Three heretics try to pervert the word would be an excellent title for this video

[@nicolecruse7811]

I appreciate your videos. Thanks ☺️

[@elmochomo8218]

Father forgive them for their Blasphemes.

[@James-wh7ty]

religious modernism is an oxymoron, religious progressivism somehow manages to be more foolish.

[@roscowbrown3937]

I might have to agree, anything religious is probably not good in the first place

[@James-wh7ty]

@@roscowbrown3937 to say all things religious are not good is an oxymoron because good can only come from a metaphysical quality meaning religious.

[@roscowbrown3937]

@@James-wh7ty …Can you prove that?

[@James-wh7ty]

@@roscowbrown3937 because what is good? it doesn’t have a physical quality we can touch, and it’s different from the idea of value, so if it’s real then it has to exist outside of this reality or else it’s just an idea/construct or not real.

[@Amethyst.i]

We were made in God’s image, he was not made in ours

[@pantherscove2452]

"Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" --Jesus Repent from what? Sin. Repent of your sin and turn towards GOD. Also Matthew 19:4-6 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

[@BriefingData]

Nevermind all the Psalms that praise God for being eternally perfect and never changing in his love and justice. If God changed His mind on what is or isn't a sin, then what about the people throughout history that have been punished only for the benchmark to change?

[@shreddedWheatz]

"How do you develop a healthy sexual ethic as a person in Los Angeles in 2023?" You get the hell out of Los Angeles 😆

[@okhaeadeleye5313]

12:25 watch how there is no mention of Holiness or Righteousness in there conversation on what God wants for us. When people talk about creating God, this is what it is. Their god never challenges their desires, or calls them to higher things. Everything they like right now, their god approves of.

[@ShavaleGilchrist]

What’s that third guys name I wanna see where he went to seminary. Actually how did any of them become pastors?

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

The headline just struck me. Progressive christianity is dumb. As opposed to regular old christianity?

[@Antnj81]

These people honestly disgust me - I'm not going to mince words about it anymore. They're literally willing to drag our Holy Savior through the dirt to try to make God into their own sinful image. Evil. Also, I get what you're talking about with looking at our own hearts. Yes, we have all in some form maybe tried to bring God down to our level to justify something wrong that we were doing or just out of pure ignorance from bad discipleship, but what we didn't do was proselytize this blasphemous heresy as Gospel. I'm not saying that I'm without sin, but what I am saying is that they are making a very focused conscious effort to lead others astray into their twisted way of thinking, and that's the difference.

[@Maksie0]

Being LGBTQ+ isn't wrong.

[@abellewis3062]

Isaiah 40:28 “Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.” Malachi 3:6 “For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” God is everlasting, but He's also immutable. That means He never changes. He stays the same all day, everyday. Enough said.

[@levi3494]

God can "grow and evolve"!!! WWWWHHHHHHAAAAATTTTTTT???????? Thank you for being so knowledgable and exposing these clowns!!!

[@Jeremyb2023]

I think that listening to these three false pastors is a bit like a Heresy 101 course.

[@BigJesusGal]

Thumbs up for the title alone

[@XobeckleX]

Hey, brother! Would you mind linking the original video so that those of us who want to watch the entire video can delve deeper if we so desire? Keep up the Lord's work!

[@BasedHyperborean]

Does anyone know if this channel has a video discussing the ability of women to be pastors? My church isn't progressive in the modern sense, but we allow women into pastorship and it feels... off to me, for lack of a better term. I'd love to hear Isaac's thoughts on this.

[@AChippendale]

Pastor Mike Winger has done a hugely comprehensive series about women in ministry. It helped me a lot. ❤

[@Man.of.God30]

Hello! I can't recommend any KZbin channels, but the Bible is clear on this topic. That God, through His Holy Spirit, does call both men and women to be ministers, including to be pastors. For it isn't the glass being used the focus, but He who fills it with His glory and power, as it's written: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28). Here's also a list of women in the Bible who had a ministerial calling. Just because there is a "progressive," feminist ideology movement today (that's obviously wrong), it doesn't discredit a woman's calling. We need to discern one from the other, God bless you! Apostle Junia (Romans 16:7) Prophetess Deborah (Judges 4:4-5) Prophetess Miriam "Mary" (Exodus 15:20) Prophetess Huldah (2 Chronicles 34:21-22) Prophetess Anna (Luke 2:36-37) Pastor Priscilla (1 Corinthians 16:19) Deacon Phoebe (Romans 16:1-2)

[@AChippendale]

@@Man.of.God30 I don't consider that this issue is clear. Complimentarian v. Egalitarian argument rage. I find it perfectly appropriate that someone would seek other sources of understanding on Bible issues they are struggling with.

[@Man.of.God30]

@@AChippendale Hello, I did not state that the person SHOULDN'T seek for answers outside the Bible, but that I cannot recommend YT channels on this topic b/c I don't know of any. Though I do believe an in deptht dive into Scripture would be most beneficial. Hope that brings more clarity!

[@AChippendale]

@@Man.of.God30 have you seen the Mike Winger series? It's very indepth. But yes I understand your point now.

[@Meowwolfwarrior]

problem is this. If someone thinks that the "God" of the old testament is the same as Jesus father. Check what Jesus says here John 14:9 King James Version 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 🧐🧐🧐?????...........WHO in their right mind goes about doing this and saying its the same "God" as Jesus father ? Psalms 137:9 in Other Translations 9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. 9 Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock! 9 Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks! 🧐🧐 What then about this? Jesus is own words against the Jews of his time BACKS UP what I have just said assage Resources Hebrew/Greek Your Content John 8:42-47 King James Version 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐???????...😊❤

[@alvonzedward90]

I HATE WHEN PEOPLE START SAYING “GOD THAT I BELIEVE” and start creating their own god image… Truly the sign of end time is getting clearer everyday…

[@voiceinthedarkness519]

God forbid I ever try to put words into God’s mouth. God forbid I ever think, I can think His thoughts . Revelation 22:18-19.

[@SpiritualMansion]

Jesus did not Marry. The Holy Spirit gave the Father a child, The Holy Spirit gives Jesus a child. You know the amount of holiness that takes. Generations. Not 30 years not 31 not 32 not 33 not 34 not 35 not 36 not 37. Not 50 not 100. Generations. No one is gunna be able to accomplish such a thing 😂. Just love God and if it happens it happens. 😂

[@peetvisagie5338]

The whole Bible is not even about Jesus, all the words written by everyone who wrote books, Acts, Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Colossians and Philippians and all other books, Jesus said some words for 3 years that is STILL applicable and important, but so did Paul and Peter and the second John, what they said mattered as well because JESUS appointed Paul to preach on his way to Damascus... Some people really don't know the Bible.

[@pammyboop6580]

It's the devils world.!!! JESUS COMES SOON....THANK YOU FOR TRUTH❤

[@rachelrasmussen1101]

Every time you talk about purity culture, I agree with what your saying BUT I still believe it's so important to paint the stakes for what's at risk. We can't let kids enter harmfully sexual relationships, get very hurt, and say "I didn't know. Why didn't anyone warn me?" We HAVE to sound the alarm, and when the entire culture is celebrating promiscuity, it's hard to get kids attention over the din.

[@Elon_Tusks]

And this is why I am leaving Protestantism. There's too many "New" Martin Luther's it really opened my eyes. It is these Christians that give Protestants a TERRIBLE rap lol

[@elliotuh6150]

Absolute Divine Simplicity also debunks an ever changing God. If God does not possess traits but rather IS them (God IS justice, IS goodness, etc.) then it follows that his concepts of what is good and what is just would not change because he IS them and always has been

[@sethnaffziger1402]

I think it's funny when these "progressives" say that "the Bible doesn't condemn homosexual acts"... literally from Genesis to Revelation sexual acts outside of marriage or the natural order are refered to as an ABOMINATION before God. we see this in Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy, Judges, half the pauline letters, just off the top of my head. When Jesus responds to his accusers (asking if he claims to be God) before Pilate he answers "I am" the same "I am" that created the world and gave the commandments and laws throughout the old testament. In the new testament, many letters addressing the churches as well as acts outline how the mosaic law has changed with the new covenant. We are to set ourselves apart from the world/it's ways and represent Christ in our actions and words. Christians have a perogative to expose and condemn the sinful ways of the world- however many Christians in our society have done so (with good intentions) in a very unChristlike manner. God the father is the Judge- and should we judge we are to be judged by the same measure we use- "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and through Jesus we recieve our salvation and forgiveness. Multiple examples and parables in Christs teaching lay out clearly that we are to correct people in love, and show the better way through our actions "you will know them by their fruits". No one will repent from sinful habits because of accusation, and no christian is sanctified overnight (or entirely during this life). It is through our relationship with Jesus and a growing understanding of God's love for us, his will for our life, our personal relationship with him, and prompting from the Holy spirit that we are redeemed from sins and successfuly repent. Jesus met people where they were at, and showed compassion and love towards those who no one else would. In doing so and representing him, people will see for themselves that God's way is different. better, and seek it for themselves. This is how we plant seeds that given time and proper conditions will grow. It saddens me to see people calling themselves pastors spewing heretical blasphemes, but they will reap what they sow... what saddens me more is how many people I meet who have rejected Christ or the church due to our (seemingly righteous) but misguided efforts to respond. We can call out false teachings when we see them, but we should be careful to do so in a way that does not push those mired in sin further from God. I don't know if this is helpful for anyone but I just felt prompted to dump my thoughts here, I get riled up and want to run these people through a course of verses excoriating their world view, but the Holy Spirit reminds me that we are all saved through grace, our greatest works are as filthy rags to the Lord, and all of us are of equal value to Him. I want people to know the peace and surety of a relationship with Him and the joy of freedom from sin more. God Bless! also great video!

[@Meowwolfwarrior]

Jesus is NOT queer ❤

[@cmbailey13]

Everyone always forgets Luke 8:1-3 and the women who accompanied and supported Jesus.

[@UniversalistSon9]

Such stern beliefs as are usually represented in mainstream Christianity has never made me feel Gods love and is not a very welcoming way of thinking, this is my experience anyway. I’m a heretic myself being a universalist and panentheist person who follows Christ.

[@debabie]

I love this title 😂❤