Shocking Lies Believed by Many Christians

[@stacyspence3078]

I have/had a friend who totally believes the speaking things into existence. It got to where I couldn't even talk to her about anything going on in my life because I was "speaking" it into existence. Makes for a difficult friendship when you can't even talk about what is going on in your life.

[@CrochetWonders]

One time about 30 years ago the Lord gave me a dream about my friend. She was going to have her gall bladder removed. I told her that she did not have gall stones anymore and not to have the surgery and to ask her doctor to do another sonogram. She did. Her doctor was very upset but did another sonogram and there were no gall stones. I was very new Christian but was so glad I spoke up. She did not have the surgery and her doctor was amazed. The Lord only used me in this way one time.

[@petratical]

That was a "word of knowledge" 1 Corinthians 12:8 given as the Spirit directs.

[@jamesdelopst4699]

... You deserve a L-O-N-G foot rub every day for 6 months , bridging Christmas Time !

[@matildamaher1505]

Good on you for letting her know

[@Xaforn]

I have had epilepsy my whole life so due to many seizures I should have quite a bit of scar tissue built up, I was prayed for before I went to go get a new mri for my new doctor and she kept staring at the results and at me back and forth. Her jaw fell open and she said “your brain is perfect, as if you’ve never had a seizure in your life”!! God is good!

[@Anonymous-cm9md]

Praise God for these healings! I don’t think pastor Parr is saying God doesn’t perform miracles today or answer our prayers.

[@lidiah1412]

Thank you Allen for not being afraid to speak the truth.

[@gabepettinicchio7454]

The "truth" should not be a general term. It is precise & singular. If they both spoke the truth along with all other Christians, then they should all be united in all beliefs & belong to the same faith. No?

[@toolegittoquit_001]

​@@gabepettinicchio7454 Jesus is the Truth Discuss

[@himthatsdoin]

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[@VaughanMcCue]

@@toolegittoquit_001 It is an indication of the followers' low level of thinking quality if you presented a discussion point and the simpletons could only tick it. Truth comports with reality. JC said he wasn't attending the party at the telephone booths, then went anyway. You can run an apologetics narrative for WHY he lied, but Exo 20;16 says no lying. If your kids did it to you, you would call JC's behaviour a lie, but double standards are acceptable - if it suits the story. Sorry that 30 days later and only one person 'discussed' your proposition.

[@micktaylor1991]

Great chat. Dealing once again with this word of faith health and wealth now in my church in the u k.

[@stepone6159]

Indeed, Melissa. The more you are in the word for yourself, the more you will sense when something from the pulpit, or conferences, or wherever, doesn't line up with His Word and His character.

[@christinamayo-hessler2046]

I have been in that position. I had a Pastor pray and everyone around me fell to the floor. I prayed before I went up to the altar, and asked Jesus to be the only one to make me fall out. They tried to push me back a bit, but I did not fall out. When I didn't speak in tongues, or fall out, I was treated differently.

[@vickyandersen8660]

Find another church 😅

[@shoshonaquantrill4440]

When this happened to me as they were tutting I threw myself on floor.i would have loved to see their faces

[@JesusLovesBest]

I've had a similar manipulation used on me when I was a young Believer. Jesus forces nothing- ever. Scriptural principles that are Biblical are being misused and things are being not done in faith. Stay in the Word and build your faith and remember all things are possible with God. All things are to be done for HIS glory. There's no 123 manual to have an easy life here on earth- expect persecution; the more you learn of Christ (study the Word alot!) and get to know His will and move in His gifts (HIS being key)the more one's faith grows. True signs and wonders will follow and God gets all the glory. I do understand the skepticism because there's so much deception and manipulation in today's churches. Sad 😢

[@VaughanMcCue]

@@vickyandersen8660 Learn a new language, and wear your shoes on opposite feet. The shoe trick will put you off balance.

[@amyhellerford9422]

Wow, that shld NEVER happen... so sorry !

[@susanscheffer2598]

I walked my husband home through brain cancer. The unimaginable happens. It was a nightmare but also my honor to be there for him during the worst time in our life.

[@2knowah]

There’s nothing as painful and precious as the home going of the saints.

[@-ChrisD]

❤

[@terrikennedy3088]

To grow in Christ requires suffering. Not popular at the pulpit, but a biblical basic. To partake in suffering in faith is holy.

[@TeshuvahBibleStudies]

My top two KZbin hosts in one show... what a treat

[@karennicholson4167]

I totally appreciate and agree with you in the area of prophecy. I had been miraculously healed of a very rare form of cancer (after many tests confirming it, the surgeon went in andit was completely gone!) Later, our church brought in a "prophet" who came to me and "prophesied" that my healing was not real, but would return. I left the service saying "I do not accept this word". That was 24 years ago this month! Thank you for this message.

[@barbarahayes4696]

I'm glad you stood strong. We don't have to except the devils lies no matter who tjey come through.

[@CG87343]

You were healed by the sovereign hand of God. Simple as that.

[@reneeanthony9048]

My brother went through this exact same thing in a charismatic church. I actually had to help him understand that those things were NOT biblical. So thankful for you spreading truth. God bless you.

[@jamesdelopst4699]

... you and I ... & Everyone ... use our words to Speak things into Existence all the time , Renee ... in the normal course of our lives . Here is an Example : When interviewing for a job, doesn't Everyone tell the Boss that they are going to be a GREAT WORKER for them !? Now how can they say that , Renee - aren't they Predicting the Future and Lying about it ? I mean - shouldn't they be " HONEST " as you and Melissa would require here... and tell the Boss that it is a Risk to hire them & a Big Mistake to expect them to be able to do the Job ?? Yes , Renee ... no one would get Hired if they followed the Faithless talk that you & Melissa say is the Christian way to be ...and many other things.

[@petratical]

@@jamesdelopst4699 Right, as there is nothing wrong with saying, "By his strips I am heal", agreeing with Peters writing, ; "by whose strips you were (past tense) healed:" thus making it personal, receiving the promise! 1 Peter 2:24.

[@jamesdelopst4699]

@@petratical ...amen ; our Confession of Jesus as Lord was meant to be followed by a lifetime of applying this Universal Spiritual Principle using Words to our Benefit . In regards to Physical Healing as you mentioned - it is a often a Matter of Life & Death ; the most often Prayer request I encounter is for the Sickness of either the Believer themselves or someone they know . But when something like this book offer is about the only thing offered by Ministers...one knows that there is little use in praying for folks - because they will Not believe and Confess properly to recover ( because it isn't being taught... )

[@fromjayne4726]

Was it one of the cfm churches?

[@idunno3302]

Lol Christians arguing over dogma. You know the Bible is a book written by men right?

[@Cinnjerm24]

"Who has spoken and it come to pass, unless the Lord has ordained it?" - Lamentations 3:37

[@steffanjansenvanvuuren3257]

I was bitten and swollen in my hip, and refused to accept it, because my Bible says that I am healed by the stripes of Jesus. I immediately, through the excruciating pain, started to praise and worship God for the Truth. That I am healed be the stripes of Jesus. I went on till some time past midnight. The pain was the worst kind of pain I ever experienced. But suddenly it vanished. The swelling, the pain, instantly gone. That changed the way I see things. Can you understand that? You can never see things the same again. How do I communicate that to people? Can you understand that?

[@Cthomas5678]

I’m a work in progress! My faith went through hell the last three years as I’m sure many others have too with all the crazy things going on in this world. I tried finding a church that I felt comfortable in many years ago when my daughter was little but I always ended up bitter because they weren’t a good fit I felt like I was closer to Jesus at home reading and studying the Bible on my own. I’m still a work in progress 🙏❤️🇺🇸💪🏼

[@lindadodd3829]

Same here.

[@thomasrechenmacher8093]

AMEN! Me too!

[@couturedeana]

Me2

[@timharrison1158]

Find a church that preaches the Bible. You'll have a better chance of finding a 'good fit' if they teach the Word of God. God bless. We're all a work in progress.

[@robertschmidt9296]

@@timharrison1158 there are very few that do.

[@wendydune18]

Timely message. After spending time reading and rereading the bible, I was finding things done in my church didn't line up...at all. My questions, done in a non-confrontational manner, fell on deaf ears. It was a "I wrote I book, so I know" mentality. I pray for them.

[@ysabelduran1247]

Hi Wendy. Can you share some of the things done in your church that were unscriptural? I'm so glad that you were able to discern their lies

[@scambammer6102]

well the rape and genocide is definitively scriptural, so feel free

[@moonstrukk126]

What specifically are you praying for? The reality is we don't know what people need, so general prayers for them to find their peace or joy might be ok, however specific prayers for others, unless you have permission, are unacceptable.

[@EmunahFL]

@@moonstrukk126 Where does it say that in the BIble?

[@moonstrukk126]

@@EmunahFL It's just common sense. Do you REALLY think that YOU are mere human being can know exactly what a person needs without first consulting with them? The absolute HUBRIS of some Christians.

[@robindear5043]

I went through EVERYTHING Allen Parr describes while in college: fellowships that give you the cold shoulder if you don't speak in tongues, fall down when prayed for, don't think name it and claim it is spiritual, etc. A Catholic nun blessed by God with the gift of healing(God healed her of crippling arthritis) said it best: 'To say you are healed when you are not is a religious way of telling lies.'

[@karriem5666]

The why did God tell Abram to call himself "the father of many nations" BEFORE he had Isaac?

[@verindictus3639]

@@karriem5666 GOD called Abraham the father of many nations"; God didn't tell Abraham to call HIMSELF the father of many nations.

[@karriem5666]

@@verindictus3639 Did God tell Adam to call himself Adam?

[@harleyanne3720]

I read a book years ago called Spiritual Abuse. Opened my eyes.

[@rdelina8038]

Yes, we are made in the image AND likeness of God. It takes a lifetime to become “like Him.” That is our journey, to become like God.

[@debpratt52]

We were at a church that we didn't realize was prosperity gospel/name it & claim it and a pastor stood over my husband and badgered him for 5 solid minutes to speak in tongues. He turned every sermon into a tithe sermon and said that the pastor should have the most expensive house in town; all the while the church had many poor people in it. We left.

[@JimFrye-ub3kq]

Melissa and Allen, it was so great hearing from both of you at once! It was a blessing to me. Please do some more videos together!

[@georgehuston9681]

I’ve said this before. In the beginning of the New Testament Matthew talks about the church’s and what they were doing. For a long time I didn’t quite understand why? Now I can see what’s happening in the World and in the Church’s today. Read your bible and use it as your armor against sin and lies.

[@J_LOVES_ME]

This I think is the #1 thing we all must do. Read our Bibles every day! There is more to gain than just saying you have "read the Bible." It is how God communicates with is, and how the Holy Spirit teaches us.

[@bigtobacco1098]

Passage ??

[@Kepi_Kei]

@@bigtobacco1098 I think they mean revelation

[@jamespembleton2666]

I was also taught, "If the plain sense makes sense, seek no other sense lest you end up in nonsense". I think that was Dr. David Reagan of Lamb & Lion Ministries. Every new believer should have your book to help guide if there is nobody available to guide.

[@Julia29853]

Melissa, I appreciate you bringing such wonderful guests on your show. Ive subscribed to several new Christian channels after watching some of these interviews.

[@joykeebler1916]

- Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth

[@tgmccoy1556]

"All are welcome. We have an open mind . " Church sign in my town. Someone put: "Don't trip on your open mind" under it.

[@helenpeddycord2241]

Or “Don’t let your brains fall out!” 😩😩

[@ab-gail]

Lol

[@ramonpooser2434]

Hmm…or over? That’s a road so quiet people chuckle down it to feel important.

[@Vaxxedhole]

They only say that to avoid being offensive. They're cowards without spines.

[@kathystoneburner4947]

I love my church but drove by one that had "NO WOKE CHURCH" sign I front and if I didn't love my church that sign alone could tempt me to try it.

[@k9companion231]

I am new to this channel and can’t binge watch enough. I always say “If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans”. LOL

[@roselisembee2333]

Thank you for your quote. I found it easy to remember, to -the -point and helpful in a current situation.

[@lindateuling7862]

Plan making can be a gift from God when we submit the plans to Him for HIS approval. Sometimes I've been afraid to take initiative and/or think because then I'm not "depending on God."

[@wendygressett4824]

Thank you both for this! I have a sister who went through bssm many years ago and so much of what y’all were speaking about sounded just like her! Always saying “God told me to tell you this” Or prophesying things. Which by the way never come to pass! Please pray for her! She is so caught up in this and blinded to the truth!

[@elizabethryan2217]

I'm so glad you deal with people's belief that we shouldn't refer to negative facts in our life e.g. being sick. Spot on! I've always felt that's like stopping people being truthful about situations. That can't be of God.

[@luciemarinov129]

I just started watching these educational podcasts and had started to watch New Age videos so I am deeply grateful for these clarifications on Scripture. I was not well versed in the Bible and had no reference point. Thank you for your education in the true philosophy of New Age (my best friend is immersed in it) and for Allen’s work in this area as well. Since my daughter recently died I was contemplating psychic readings in an attempt to reassure myself she is in a “ better place”. In great appreciation, from California ❤

[@TruthAboveAll08]

Excellent! Two of my absolute favorite voices on the Internet! Thank you both for helping equip Christians, and for advancing salvation for those not there yet! God bless you both abundantly!

[@caramelcocoa234]

We’ve created doctrines, ideologies, and a response to men that were broken,uninformed but in ministry. The power of God is still real and we are going to need it for the end times . Seek God for yourself.

[@SaltySaints]

YES!! "faith in my faith" as opposed to faith in what Jesus has accomplished for us on the Cross, AND via His Resurrection.

[@alsoncaramel4347]

What if your faith is Jesus.

[@ritael-helou5871]

Thank you Melissa and Allen for a great discussion on this ever-increasing and misleading doctrine in the church. ❤

[@laurairlbeck916]

You described my experience exactly: Being pressured to speak in tongues, or be slain in the spirit... Being made to feel there was something wrong with me that I wasn't getting "words" from God, or daring to question others' words and prophecies. There is a time and place for some of these things but the Bible commands us to be orderly in our worship. Boy, do we need a book like you have written!

[@kelleyashworth8178]

I have been slayed in the Spirit. But I do specifically remember a time when someone was praying over me, and they had one hand on my forehead and another on a pressure point on the back of my neck. She kept trying to push me down, and I felt her doing this. A couple of months later, I was slain in the Spirit, and it was a completely different experience.

[@dannodoesfunthings8100]

The most dangerous is, "say the sinner's prayer" salvation

[@davidschefter4160]

Please pray for my siblings who have been involved in the Wof/Nar movement for over 35 years.

[@karenbarth-vt7of]

The biggest threat is so many christian churches telling so many different things and doing things so differently.

[@Rebecca_Taylor]

When I was 16, I received a prophetic word that changed my life and healed me of the depression I was experiencing. I went to a church that was hosting a minister who would pray over individuals and, without knowing anything about them, speak scriptures that the Lord would give him for them. Before he started, he said, "I won't have time to pray over everyone here, so if you hear me say a verse that speaks to you and encourages you, receive it from the Lord." I was feeling hopeless about the future on account of my ASD, believing I had no choice but to live in isolation and dependency. When I heard him pray Jeremiah 29:11 over someone else, I thought, "Okay, God. I know it's trite, but I trust that You do know the plans You have for me. I receive this verse from You." Shortly after, the prophetic minister came up to me and asked if he could pray for me. The first verse he spoke over me was, guess what? Jeremiah 29:11! That was when I realized, "God, this is definitely from You!" The last verse he gave me was Psalm 84:11, which reads, "no good thing does He withhold from those whose walk is blameless." But from the way he said it, I knew God was speaking directly to me: "no good thing will _I_ withhold from _you."_ God used the words of this man to speak directly against the unspoken lie that I was believing that only He knew about. In that moment He gave me the confidence I needed to face life, knowing that being neurologically atypical does not make me a lesser recipient of His blessing.

[@rebanelson607]

I'm autistic and I am so glad you were helped. God bless you!

[@SMaamri78]

Well, it’s pretty simple. The whole Bible is God speaking to us.

[@sarahh.8579]

@@SMaamri78 True, but that was the scripture that she needed to hear at that particular time.

[@dianeandjesus]

​@SMaamri78 A "rhema" is the "spoken word" - biblically, a "word in season to one who is weary" Isaiah 50:4 (NKJV) “The Lord GOD has given Me the tongue of the learned, That I should know how to speak A word in season to him who is weary." Haven't you ever, either by turning to just the right scripture, or by someone referencing a scripture at just the right time, received a revelation you needed - that answered a question or filled you with faith at just the right time? That's what she experienced.

[@davidjarvie9546]

What a great show,the content was bang on target for today's church. It spoke volumes to me. Thank you Alan and Melissa 🙏🙏🙏

[@kateonly29]

About prophecy, my pastor--who's medically diagnosed to have issues with his reproductive organ, was told by a fellow churchmate that, in a dream, she saw the pastor's wife pregnant. She was very specific too--she spoke of how she saw the pastor's wife getting on a plane, all pregnant. My pastor and his wife were set to travel by plane a week out and 2 days before their flight, they suddenly had the urge to take a Pregnancy Test, and lo and behold, she was indeed pregnant!

[@AJourneyBackToEden]

My husband and I wanted as many children as possible. My husband had a dream I was pregnant and then we started experiencing strange occurrences of doubles and we believed God was going to give us multiples. One day soon after my husband had the urge to go to Target and I asked him what for and he didnt know but once we got there I heard an audible voice tell me to get a pregnancy test and when we got home we found out I was indeed pregnant. We told everyone we were expecting twins and once we got the first ultrasound it was confirmed. Twins don't run on either side of our family.

[@gingermiller8317]

Melissa, You are a skilled and articulate interviewer! May your channel flourish and continue to inform those with ears to hear!

[@katiehigdon2472]

I was praying for someone to talk about these exact topics & prophecy issues in the church. Thank you two so much for coming together on this issue and thank you Allen for the book!! I’m going to buy it today!🙏🏽

[@thebeatagp]

Thank you so much!

[@VaughanMcCue]

I hope you spent your money on something other than a book to prop up your confirmation biases. Giving the money to the Ukrainian rescue fund would be a better choice.

[@rachaelc5516]

Eeeek It’s Allen again! Love seeing all these apologists helping each other and us! Such wisdom and humility so, so grateful for these people and their commitment to their ministry! Xx

[@lunasgma7546]

I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not.

[@rebeccalowery7335]

Knowing that there are many people who have experienced church/spiritual abuse with these gifts, I definitely think this could be a balanced way to distinguish the differences. It is a lot easier to swing from one end of the pendulum to the other and just say forget about it, but it takes a lot of understanding (and prayer) to be able to decipher what's true and what's not. I think I may just have to purchase this book for my own. Thanks!

[@jamesdelopst4699]

... if Melissa is endorsing the book...then it is the Pendulum swung to a Faithless , Mental perspective of the Topic. Melissa only believes in what she can see & feel - not a good situation for a Bible Teacher ! ... Pointing out the Mistakes of others is the Easiest thing in the World to do ; but this is a Spiritual Principle that our Lord wants us to become Proficient with : Melissa is incapable of getting this working in her life ... so she sweeps it under the Church Carpet instead and claims to be Superior ...

[@debsad7500]

My two favs together. Can’t wait to read the book and see how Jarin navigates the truth. Thank y’all.

[@LVGirl4]

Aw, Yay - I LOVE Allen Parr’s channel!!! Blessings to you both and all who watch your channels. 🎉❤😊😊😊

[@clydekimsey7503]

And if you are even a little bit skeptical of the validity of the prophecy, they will say "don't quench the spirit!"😮

[@NDCCMTX]

Yet Isaiah's prophecies didn't come true for hundreds of years and people must have told him he's a kook. Let prophets judge other prophecies (1Corinthians 14:29).

[@barbarahayes4696]

The Bible doesn't say that there is no prophecy, it says to test the spirit behind it. If it comes to pass it is of God and if not, it wasn't. Unless God gives a time line for the prophecy just watch and see.

[@mijlaid]

The first few verses of James clearly show we will have trials in this life and instructs us how to view them on a spiritual level.

[@martinaa23122]

This is my first comment on KZbin ever and I must tell that I have spent and I am still spending hours on this platform. I want to thank you both for this video, my eyes are finally wide open, my prayers for protection of my home are answered. Spirit warned me and He was continuous in His warnings about this but I was blind and ignorant. Pray for me that I save my husband, and my family and point them to real Jesus. God bless you and your families! You're doing great godly work. ❤

[@dianeandjesus]

YOU cannot save your husband, but we know the One Who can! Ask Father God, in the name of Jesus, to move in your husband's life. He loves you and your family so very much! And keep growing in the grace of our Lord by continuing in His word daily. Reading the scriotures, studying and doing what He shows you to do in His word, praying and believing that, no matter what it may LOOK like, God is answering your prayers. God bless you!

[@JayPalOfficial]

Thank you for this interview Melissa and Allen. I just pre-ordered your book “Misled”. Can’t wait to read it myself. Blessings from Australia 🇦🇺😌

[@ellenloveeggleston3251]

GREAT INTERVIEW!! Congratulations on all the hard work you put into this book, Allen! Already ordered it!

[@l.augustinekhalafala5237]

I didn't realize it was out.

[@philiplewis1989]

Def buying Allen's book. Already added it to my Amazon cart. And I can relate to the whole "fake prophecy" thing. The church I was saved at had 1 of these guys come in (can't remember his name) and dude pointed at me, said I was gonna "do great things", laid his hands on me, prayed over me whilst speaking in tongue's (yes it was a Pentecostal church, Assemblies of God for those who care) and went to someone else. Hasn't happened yet. Maybe it'll still happen. I'm definitely open to the idea. But I something tells me it won't. It's been 13 years, still waiting.

[@kevindunn1013]

Thanks for pointing out ancient lies that are slain by truth. All these lies are simply re-packaged in new wrapping paper years later. I seen all these things from 30-40 years ago. Thank you for uplifting Jesus and His Words, AKA the Bible.

[@pcefbol6704]

Thank you so much Melissa and Allen for this interview, God bless you.❤🙏

[@rachelhayhurst-mason7846]

I can relate to Alan's experience sooo much. It's uncanny, which makes me feel so sad. Thank you both for discussing this! What a great interview 💖

[@jamesdelopst4699]

... There is a way to Teach meaningful insights into this Topic... but these Ministers don't get there : they have a " Throw the Baby out with the Bath " mentality just because there are problems ; but there is an way to do it right - which they know nothing about...

[@rachelhayhurst-mason7846]

@@jamesdelopst4699 what is that way? I'm sure we would all be helped if you would share it 🙂

[@jamesdelopst4699]

... don't know if I getting thru anymore ; a few things I have posted have disappeared . Melissa has a history of Censoring folks that don't agree with her ...

[@rachelhayhurst-mason7846]

@@jamesdelopst4699 I'm sure if what is said is respectful it would be ok. Melissa asks people to disagree if they have good evidence. Being reasonable goes a long way.

[@jamesdelopst4699]

@@rachelhayhurst-mason7846 ... Melissa & other " Truth Tellers "... get their Following and Subscribers by appealing to people who are Chronic Complainers about the Church , Darling... people show up here mostly to gripe & Murmer about something that happened to them in a Church . She isn't looking for Reasonable people to say intelligent things - they would put Melissa out of Business . " Truth Tellers " like her are notoriously known for having Thin Skin when it comes to Critism : " they can Dish it out ... but they can't take it ! " is the Secular saying of who they are...

[@bobcolby5607]

Romans 8:28 This verse says all things (good or tragic) work together for our good. God will work His purpose in a Christian life.

[@conniekline9881]

Thank you Allen and Melissa for having this discussion over Allen’s new book. As a person who is still sorting out the different paths presented in the Christian churches, I see this as a valuable resource. God bless you both.

[@NaaSydnia]

Thank you for helping people discover the truth. ❤ God bless you 🙏🏽

[@valeriehancock1724]

I love how you both were talking about how to read the bible. I grew up Pentecostal and was never taught how to read the bible and sadly quoted scripture out of context. I would love to be able to help my Pentecostal/ charismatic friends and family, how to read the scripture in context, but they are unwilling to listen 😢.

[@143Chelley_Chelle]

I am willing to listen.

[@leereeves9435]

I've attended Pentecostal churches, and Reformed churches, and I discovered it's difficult to reason with Pentecostals and Calvinists. One extreme has the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and the other extreme has the Doctrines of Grace. Sometimes Christians will go from one extreme to the other.

[@scottwalker7982]

You want a graceless God?

[@valeriehancock1724]

@@scottwalker7982 not sure what you’re trying to say..

[@scottwalker7982]

@@valeriehancock1724 Sorry Valerie. I was commenting on what leereeves9435 had said.

[@libertylarochelle8517]

Thank you Melissa and Allen. Blessings from South Australia 🇦🇺.

[@ericiverson3441]

That sort of phony stuff (slain in the spirit, tongues elitism, phony "prophetic utterances") gives such a bad name to the genuine that people throw out the baby with the bathwater. "He who has my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat?" "Quench not the spirit. Despise not prophecies. Test all things; hold fast to that which is a good." As a good berean, doing all things decently and in order, with a view to edifying, etc.

[@FerrisArmstrong]

The true f ith is spiritual and not carnal. Everything you see, hear, touch, taste, smell and reason is also carnal. When believers read the word they are reading THEIR opinions rather than the actual truth. The true word MUST be individually received from above and it must be received as perfect certainty or else it too will be an opinion. Certainty is not an opinion. Opinions can be ok temporarily but certainty is from above and is forever. Reasoning requires work but certainty requires belief in ☝️

[@mariajmc6557]

Thank you for the discussion very well communicated.. . Be blessed 🙌🙌 Pastors Allen and Melissa

[@pamrush5078]

Melissa and Allen thank you both from New Zealand God Richly bless you and your spouses here in new zealand, especially at my church we have in my worship team an obsession with Hillsong and Bethel and there are times in church when i do not sing the songs but just stand in the presences of God and I even pray for the worship team because since lockdown in 2020, i have watching Christian commentaries saying that bethel and Hillsong are dangerous and how there are some churches who have stopped using their music

[@ellennoll2839]

This was an excellent discussion!! I will definitely be getting this book. God bless you both. 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@Crystal-pv1sf]

I went ahead and bought the book. It sounds like it’ll be a great add to my high school teens curriculum.

[@lbrown6859]

Very well presented!! Loved the simplicity. I have always said that a truly smart individual can present the truth in terms that anyone can understand. From listening to this, I think that may have been accomplished in his book. I pray that the right people get their hands on a copy and God opens their eyes and they get set free!!! 🙏

[@bethtaylor9773]

So glad to see Allen Parr on your channel! I really get a lot from his channel too.

[@lauragb3677]

A great combination- Allen and Melissa! I learn so much from the two of you, it’s great to see you together. Thank you for setting me straight in so many ways and helping me mature in my faith.

[@terriwhalen3618]

Thank you Allen and Melissa for sharing such an important topic. 😊

[@sosthenebucyana445]

Thanks to both if you! You're a real blessing to the kingdom of God!

[@missymurphy9996]

I’m a cessationist, so I don’t always agree with Allen Parr on everything, but I appreciate this talk and I agree with you guys on the word of faith/name and claim it gospel.

[@annikaelisaa1879]

Don’t take this the wrong way, I am just genuinely curious why people are cessationists.. it looks like lots of ex-new agers are of the cessationist “camp”. (Not saying you personally are) but it makes me wonder if it’s because of previous bad experiences with spirituality? I get the apprehension because we see so many churches abusing the Gifts.. But I don’t see any biblical justification for cessationism so far.. So just wondering what your reasons are if you are willing to share

[@dawnlauwrens3983]

This is so brilliant!!! I can relate to everything you are talking about...I was there!!! I almost married a guy because of people "prophesying" over the guy and I. Thank God we didn't get married and by the grace of God, I was led out of that church and have been on a journey of learning the TRUTH!!! Great discussion. Thank you Melissa and Pastor Allen. I love and am learning so much from both your channels. Blessings & greetings to you both in Jesus Christ from South Africa

[@johnlewis1078]

The church in Canada is falling apart because it is not distinguishable from the rest of the world. We are trying to correct that course and bring the church back into sound biblical teaching. Thank you Allen and Melissa for your efforts!

[@brianapearsall8065]

I’ve heard from leadership on a Sunday morning, “There’s someone here with a back problem, something wrong with the spine, and that person is going to be healed right now.” 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@deni-gibbs]

That was sooo good Melissa. I will get me a copy. You are so good at interviewing people 🎉

[@Vaxxedhole]

Regressive Christianity isn't progressive. It's bowing to this world to justify sin.

[@CharmaineLangley609]

Hi thanks. Melissa, thank you for your channel and thank you for bringing Allen, another favourite, on to your channel. Such a blessing. We learn so much, thank you.

[@faithcouper]

I’m looking forward to listening to the audiobook. I preordered it & am waiting most impatiently for June 13 when it drops into my library. 😆 ❤ I signed up for the class too even tho I’m just finishing my hermeneutics & exegesis class. 😃

[@valeriespector9250]

Thank you so much. This is one of the best interviews I have ever seen.!❤

[@mindylou8188]

Thank you❤ your channel has been very helpful to me❤ god has blessed me through you. 🙌 keep spreading the truth❤

[@chrislacy9077]

Keep up the good work. Your videos are entertaining and thought provoking. Informative but not boring.

[@TVHouseHistorian]

I was not biblically literate when I came to faith. I attended, and was discipled in a charismatic church, and yet I can remember multiple doctrines taught to me where I had to stop and pause and recognize that what I was being told was not true. *Basically, the lens I have always used to view doctrine is, “Does this exalt Jesus, or is it exalting man?”* Gradually, the Lord led me out of the charismatic church - if for no other reason than the fact that that particular branch of the church has gotten very lukewarm in its seeker-sensitivity. Conversely, two of my best friends who have been walking with me through thick and thin, *who are biblically literate* absolutely refuse to acknowledge the garbage taught in the charismatic church. How does that happen?!

[@traceyburroughs1111]

Tracey Burroughs from South Africa 🇿🇦 watching this video

[@lilkimmie7322]

This is good. It reminds me of something my pastor says frequently: How do you interpret Scripture? With more Scripture. ❤

[@billcarney829]

1."Progressive, Inclusive" to me means "anything goes". 2.Jesus spoke the universe into existence in Genesis. We, on the other hand, speak NOTHING into existence. 3. You cannot take and use a bible verse out of context without comparing the verse with other scripture to validate the verse in question.

[@Megz207]

Preordered! Thank you both. A couple of my ultimate fave Christian KZbinrs to learn from. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@Tairai_Daos]

Woa!! As I'm always either in a car or at a desk. I checked Audible and if you have an account, this book will be available 13 Jun 23. Books on tape have helped me continually study and grow. If sitting down and reading might be a struggle, we have another option. I have also listened to the entire Bible this way, Im not sure I would have been as diligent in reading it page by page. Fortunately there is many Bibles on tape and some are even provided for free. Take care all and God Bless.

[@lizzyq844]

Great view of spiritual gifts and one I also agree with Mr. Parr.

[@dral22]

Oouu! This is so relatable, I remember I had to act like I had the holy ghost. No more getting my forehead squeezed to death 😅. Love the transparency.

[@jayonnaj18]

Praise the Lord! True believers IN Christ have thirst and hunger for God's word so we can know more and more about Jesus Christ and our spiritual growth will be PROGRESSIVE in order to please HIM!!!

[@TheGudsdotter]

As a christian you have an obligation to check everything up so it is in line with what is in the Bible. It is also of importance for every christian to read and study the Bible and take time in prayer to get to know the Lord Jesus.

[@freespeech4all757]

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[@kimgary5771]

I love you both! Thank you for all you both do for Jesus. 🙏✝️

[@a.e.w.384]

Well said. Over the past 30 years I have seen the behaviors described in this discussion. Not only is it troubling for a devout discerning Christian but turns people away from God.

[@anikrossignol5806]

How fitting that it is 7 ways the Church is being misled…7 being the perfect number in the Bible. Looking forward to reading his book, great talk!🙏🏻

[@keathdavid]

Can't wait to devour this one, SO MANY BOOKS! SO LITTLE TIME!

[@melissamcintyre7661]

Love you two! Thank you BOTH for ALL that you do for free here on KZbin! May the Lord bless you for your humble faithfulness to Him and Truth! ❤️❤️🙏🙏 Allen, I'm off to buy your book!

[@anapache2208]

Thank you Allen and Melissa! I can’t wait to read this book.

[@SunnyHippy]

Just got my book yesterday, and I can't wait to dive in! 🙌🏻 You have both helped me find my way out of darkness, new age Christianity to the light & truth.

[@rochellecaffee1417]

I really like your level-headedness, both of you. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Use your noggin. AGAIN, i want tell people about my learning about all the “approval seeking things” i used to do. That IS the problem. Personally, i had to get AWAY from ALL the other teaching, study thoroughly, with 1 good commentary, and i also dealt with my need to to meet everybody’s approval, and bring them to the Word of God, and to Christ, in Truth, and in prayer, looking to the Word, w/Spirit for godly solutions. I don’t have that need so much any more.

[@kristenspencer9751]

Just as in the secular world, there are cliques and trends in the church. It's normal for people to want to "fit in". They look and see others who 'seem to be' having a real spiritual experience. It's natural to want this, too and to be considered part of the group. But some of these are pretending, too, for the same reasons. Some people authentically want to experience God and supernatural things, but this is not the right approach. The same thing happened in Jesus's day. There were people who hung around him b/c they liked the excitement and hoped to see a miracle. But Jesus did not entrust himself to them. It's not about the "stuff", it's about a Person! If "the stuff" is prioritized over the Person, the "stuff" becomes an idol. People are attracted to the "stuff", but not so much the Person. Some people eventually learn this and their hearts are softened and they turn away from the "stuff" to the Person of Christ. And begin to follow Him. Others simply drift away once boredom sets in. They will look for something else to entertain them. It's very sad.

[@ericiverson3441]

In my old background, which taught me some good things, did teach positive vs. Negative believing, that to fear something would bring it into being - it was a LAW. But people fear lots of things that never come to pass.