Prometheus Review - Off The Shelf Reviews

Join Gary and Iain for a review and discussion of, Prometheus (2012) by Director, Ridley Scott. Starring, Noomi Rapace, Logan Marshall-Green and Michael Fassbender.
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[@fuzzydunlop1753]

"there's far too many references to alien and not enough alien references" -Iain

[@michaelnicely4102]

Very great quote

[@Axeltonn]

English is hard.

[@matias5817]

There is a fan edit cut with all the deleted scenes and everything make much more sense

[@handsomestik]

"Is there air? You don't know! " Crewman number Six AKA Guy from Galaxy Quest

[@lonniemeredith4370]

RS is given more credit for Alien than he deserves. He didn't write story, design effects, or alien design. He brought it together on film. That's what directors do. Did good job too.

[@camgoodkicks]

This. This is the single most important point anybody can bring up in regards to this franchise. James can get full credit for Aliens because he wrote and designed EVERYTHING in it, for better or worse. You can’t say the same for Ridley and Alien.

[@dereksbooks]

Ridley Scott did not "create" Alien 😂. Absurd comments from the lads.

[@TheFSUShow24]

​@@dereksbookshe didn't

[@88feji]

Don't put down Ridley Scott's artistic vision please. He is one of the rare directors who CAN draw and illustrate as great as a professional artist, he does beautifully rendered story boards for his movies dear. He's the one who gave the ideas for the creature designs and they are great ideas, and its no coincidence that ALL his movies look gorgeous, he's the common denominator, so do not discredit him for the visuals too. Ask the script writer David Peoples for 1982's Blade Runner, when the source novel's author praised the revised script sky high (the ending scene made the writer cry no less), David Peoples tried to tell the author that all the great changes to the script were ideas instructed by Ridley Scott to be made to the initially weak script ... So I'm really upset that the current generation of noobs movie goers seems dead set on trying to pull down the reputation of this great director. He's in fact one of the greatest directors of all time.

[@gowkie3940]

H.R Geiger is the real hero of the alien franchise.

[@adamduffield7782]

And Dan Obannon, he wrote the script for Alien and was the one who suggested bringing HR Giger in on the project after seeing his artwork in Paris.

[@eclectic_gamer]

@@adamduffield7782 and Alejandro Jodorowsky who introduced Dan O'bannon to H.R Geiger and Moebius (Jean Giraud) 😅

[@brendanbell4732]

Precisely. Without his unique design of a Alien there would be no Alien as we know it. Ridley Scott deserves kudos for his direction, but without a original specific design of a monster, it all falls apart. Magnificent movie. Aliens is better

[@bertcarroll1243]

This is why I Space jockey Leave clues behind

[@Tyrant96]

Yoooo the sickest profile picture😅 those faces are still creepy in 2023

[@jimbobeire]

22:35 There is a giant Xeno head carved on the roof of that dome. The lack of caution didn't start with Shaw telling Jackson not to bring the flamethrower. It started with landing close to the dome, just cos Holloway had no patience. The should have done a flyover, or sent a drone over to have a look. In _Aliens_ the Marines did fly over the compound to do an assessment before they landed. Janek just landed the ship wherever Holloway told him too. Neither one of them acting responsibly.

[@mercenaryknight5419]

This film NEEDS a director's cut. All the deleted scenes help it a LOT.

[@JohnnyZenith]

Agreed. Pity Ridley is too selfish to push for it.

[@MrHereWeGoYo]

I'm middle of the road on Prometheus. It does LOOK great but the treatment of the "Space Jockey" is the biggest slap in the face of all time. Thirty years of wonder and mystery. Literally one of the most fascinating creatures ever depicted on film ends up unceremoniously wiped away with, "It's just a space suit. Move along, nothing to see here."

[@FreezeInfinite]

Agreed. Why answer questions that don't need answers. The mystery is the whole point.

[@pete_lind]

Ridley Scott is great visual director but bad story writer. There is no mystery ...OK lets look at it , cave paintings from 5000 year ago , can happen but there was already complex civilizations on earth 5000 years ago and most people lived in some sort of manmade construction . Who would be alive to make that picture of that blue man ? They show that life on earth was started by one , so was it a grizzly bear that painted him on a cave wall or did they stay and waited until humans was so evolved they could make cave paintings ? The ship in alien movie crashed from aliens getting loose , aliens that an robot in prometheus made , so there is more of these blue men ready to lift off with their space ships from that planet , blue men we have not seen or that have not been in contact with that robot but still get infected with a creatures it made ... makes no sense at all if you try to think about it .

[@JohnnyZenith]

Completely disagree. Love the engineers. It would be easy to have the black goo explained the huge original engineer or have it as another race somehow linked.

[@ThreadBomb]

Does it really look great? All I see is grey and brown.

[@xxrocketshark216xx4]

Kinda sums up both movies featuring David. Idk why Ridley's so obsessed with taking the mystery and mysticism out of his movies and making the worlds of his films so much smaller. I feel the exact same way about his insistence that Deckard is a Replicant in Blade Runner, too. Why hammer home an answer to a question that works so much better if its left unanswered? What makes Blade Runner so profound is that the audience ASKS the question. Actually confirming him to be a Replicant takes the magic out of the ending imo. Roy saving Deckard in the end is SO much more impactful if he's saving a *human* and not another Replicant. It means he's going out of his way to preserve life and show that he's arguably more human than Deckard, an actual flesh and blood human.

[@hubertvancalenbergh9022]

I really enjoyed Noomi Rapace's performance (and beauty!) and was hugely pissed off when she didn't return in Alien Covenant.

[@tohrazul]

I've always felt that Prometheus was originally written as a direct prequel to Alien (which you guys mention) but Ridley wanted to do a sequel to Blade Runner that would link the two universes (as had long been rumored). So they took the Alien prequel script, wrote out much of what made it a direct sequel to Alien, focusing on the philosophical questions regarding life, the creation of life, do androids have souls when you accept that we created them, but were in turn ourselves created. Interesting questions that would have linked the Tyrell and Weyland-Yutani corporations into a single universe. The problem becomes that the original script was based on an Alien prequel, and much of the action and tension revolved around the Alien aspect. So you run into the problem that the climax of the film no longer fits with the philosophical narrative that runs throughout the film, so they make weird changes regarding the nature of the Aliens. The eggs become black goo, the standard xenomorph life cycle is replaced by some long, convoluted multi-step process that results in an Alien xenomorph, but different because it isn't a direct prequel, and because there is now an effort to bridge these two universes through a rewritten script that wasn't intended to do so, it's a mess.

[@reinforcedpenisstem]

The film is so well crafted. Even to this day, it is very well done.

[@MrHereWeGoYo]

"We're going to call it 'NOSTROMO'!" lol

[@Stevo-to2go]

Making the Engineers look human was such a cop out and a let down. After years of imagining what this strange alien race were like. We get big bald humans?!?! One thing I did really like though was the final scene of the creepy as fuck Alien bursting out of the Engineer. That thing looked so cool.

[@renegadedjinn5325]

Thank you Gary and Ian and Happy Christmas to you both. This was and still is my favorite "Off the shelf Review".

[@renegadedjinn5325]

Lain not Ian. sorry but on phone and it messes up names. Keep up the good work.

[@JW93581]

Merry Christmas Gary and Iain!!! Thanks for this present!! :D:D:D

[@WrecklessEating]

Yeah this one isn't that good lol. But then I saw the next one...... Oh boy.

[@paulbrown6464]

Sorry to be pedantic but it bugs me, the Android in alien resurrection is Call, not Kal

[@eduardo_corrochio]

This was an eye opener. I knew Prometheus had plot holes, and it really had the familiar "Scientists Making Very Bad Decisions" thing, but until I watched this review I had no idea there was so much incongruousness in the film, that the script was so flawed ... and I actually like this film a great deal. It's gorgeous to behold, thrilling, and interesting. I'd rank it third in the whole franchise after the original 1979 movie and the 1986 follow up. Granted, I would have loved for this prequel movie to have ended with Shaw (and pieces of David) flying off in the other ship; fade to black, roll end credits. But I suppose Ridley Scott had to give certain fans their monster in the final scene. By the way, the discussion you had about Vickers possibly being an android, and the phrase "it's really milky" (if she had wondered about when Aunt Flo paid a visit for Shark Week) was the funniest thing I've heard in some time. Thanks!

[@oliverpengilley]

please re-name this video to 'Iain tears Ridley a new asshole' lol great job guys.

[@rustykuntz94]

More people dislike this film than like it, but those that do like it, LOVE it and I've seen smart, good movie people who I trust like Chris Stuckman make 40 minute videos explaining this movie and praising it to no end but after repeated viewings I just can't get into it. Should have stuck with the original idea of making it a straight Alien prequel instead of the origins of man tie it. And the main cast is pretty poor IMO, even Charlize Theron who is a great actress is terrible in this and the dumb decisions the characters make like her not being able to get out of the way of the falling ship at the end. The Fifield & Millburn characters in the caves. Guy Pearce approaching the Engineer as hastily as he did. on & on and sorry but Noomi Repace is just not a leading lady. I WILL GIVE props to Michael Fassbender & also Ibris Elba (the ship Captain) is always great.

[@punishedcaptainfrog1993]

Merry Christmas you guys thanks for all the great content ☺

[@adamstapleton9756]

I have a theory that explains everything: Ridley Scott's past his expiration date.

[@xxrocketshark216xx4]

Adam Stapleton waaaaaaaaaay past lol

[@katyrye]

What is the tagline wasn't for questions we had about aliens? What if it was being regards to the questions characters had in the movie.

[@FastFoodLifers1]

The 'goo' is a DNA Morpher, for lack of better term. It has to interact with something that has DNA, and then it Genetically Alters the DNA to turn the subject into a Biological Weapon. This will be something different for each 'subject type' it encounters. The Worm turns into some Cobra Worm, a vicious beasty that constricts to crush and will enter an orifice. Face Huggers are another type, from another Subject. As Chest-Bursters are from another Subject type. "Because Science" has a wonderful episode about exactly this. The 'goo' makes a lot of sense when properly explained and works through out all Aliens. The problem is, like many other things, "Prometheus" fails to explain this.

[@irllcd13]

That's a wonderful attempt to rationalize this terrible, stupid movie. But that's all it is: a rationalization. Going back and trying to make something that makes no sense make sense after the fact.

[@JohnnyZenith]

@Vandole No it isn't. It's a bio weapon. It does not make planets habitable. The stuff the engineer ingests at the start of the film is not the same.

[@reesepacker7983]

In the ALIENS novelization by Alan Dean Foster ..Bishop is actually awake watching over the ship like David in this film

[@davedennison7386]

...and the alien gets its arm ripped off in the airlock...I took the book to school in 79/80 and the teacher took it off me...I can't believe I can still remember it tbh

[@recycledminis]

This is actually the first ‘alien’ movie I’ve seen. I had no clue it was an alien film until my spouse walked in during the face hugger scene and let me know.

[@sharkfeathers8499]

"Elvis is not dead, he just went home." ;-)

[@eclectic_gamer]

One thing occured to me while watching this review, the whole idea doesn't make alot of sense because if you can manufacture David presumably you are able to manufacture many Davids is there any need to send in any humans at all, wouldn't it make more sense to send in the android at least to begin with, in case there is any hostile organisms or some kind of other threat which you haven't even considered, David is more intelligent than any of the crew, he is stronger, faster and better in almost everyway and certainly more suited to exploring an alien environment and cannot die because he was never technically alive to begin with, if he gets destroyed or disabled in some way you just unpack another android and carry on where you left off, once you are sure its safe the humans could go in IF they even need to set foot on the planet at all, I'm trying to think of a reason why this wouldn't make more sense.

[@TManningSirenSong25]

Precisely what I thought when I first saw alien 2, lol.

[@neonsmoviereviews7969]

I don’t think so. To me, David was there to find a way to prolong/cure Weyland’s life. The humans were there so he could test these theories out, as these would have no effect on a synthetic. Same with Alien, the crew was expendable and the priority was to obtain the alien, but with Ash being a synthetic the alien wouldn’t be interested. Bishop had programming which prevented him from allowing any harm to a human, so Burke went along to smuggle the alien inside a human host. Long story short, human life is expendable in this universe.

[@Jordan-el9he]

I absolutely love & appreciate your takes on the film! It was more anti-climactic to me than Alien Covenant, honestly, b/c I wanted more from it. That’s why I decided to write my own Alien Origins fan fiction novel; I was let down by both Prometheus & AC so much that I think it the biggest let down I’ve ever had as a fan.

[@dombower]

Brilliant video guys. Really enjoyed watching this

[@Pedro_The_Neco]

If anyone needs an Alien fix, I can't recommend Alien: Isolation enough. It is excellent, in my opinion!

[@britbloc123]

Alien: Isolation is exactly the kind of direction they should have taken the franchise. Not a fucking prequel with religious aspects starring a bunch of retards.

[@irllcd13]

It's better than this piece of shit movie, that's for damn sure.

[@FreezeInfinite]

Isolation gave us exactly what we wanted. More aliens and trying to survive from them. These new movies are very pretty turds.

[@ShogunOrta]

I kinda like the C-section scene at the end. But it was anticlimactic a bit because you knew nothing too terrible was going to happen to her.

[@timgilbert3051]

This is why you're better off not watching any marketing materials for a movie. Hollywood has enough trouble making decent movies even if you don't bring in any pre-conceived expectations about what you're going to get. I ignored everything said about Prometheus before seeing it, and was able to enjoy it. It didn't wow me, but I didn't think it would answer important questions so it didn't disappoint me either.

[@3x7project]

"Hey, it's really milky!" :D

[@Monkismo]

Merry Christmas from North Carolina!

[@captainamericyang7532]

Awesome review (: Love them! Maybe review Guyver (1991) and the sequel, Guyver Dark Hero (1994)? Lol

[@VillaBoys123]

Been waiting for this to come back up.

[@stefanfilipovits9221]

What an awesome Christmas surprise

[@ianchisholm5756]

11 years later, and I've just realised Prometheus is canonically a Christmas movie.

[@bernardroth7200]

I always wonder how Vickers was able to manhandle David I also wondered how Cthulhu got so big so fast but the most important mystery solved I always thought you two were a couple

[@NICK666565]

Casino and Goodfellas would be great to see you guys review Or taxi driver and The departed.

[@pianoluver1222]

My thoughts are that Ridley cannot do Alien justice because he really wasn’t the creator of the series... that rests with Dan O’Bannon and Ronald Shusett. Yes, Ridley is the one who visualized it in the screen, but even the Space Jockey, which was not something in the original script by O’Bannon and Shusett, wasn’t added by Ridley, it was Walter Hill and David Giler. So, I can understand why Ridley isn’t having success with these prequel movies, it’s because it wasn’t really his original idea. All he’s doing is doing what he wants, and there’s no one to hold him back (that should sound familiar to Star Wars fans...)

[@dereksbooks]

Even Cameron has more "creative" credit for the Alien franchise, as he at least was chiefly involved with much of the production work in his movie and added some new (arguably) interesting ideas.

[@goenglishjpn119]

Best movie review channel I’ve come across on KZbin so far.

[@JohnnyZenith]

Pity they seem to have given up a lot on it.

[@LISA75_]

love how Gary has created his own back story for the engineers like there are 2 separate factions one creating humans one wanting to annihilate us lol. He really drank the cool aid .I love watching this then watching the shear disappointment/despondence on the 1st review for covenant

[@gizbot9366]

Iain looked like he wanted to poke his own eyeballs out when Gary said that.

[@neonsmoviereviews7969]

To be fair, the faction theory is still supported by Covenant and, sadly, Aliens Colonial Marines

[@fluffgreybeard8073]

just watching the review and wondering why we are so close DNA-wise and turtles arnt? Also, why bother with us as hosts for Xenomorphs when they could have had T-Rex xenomorphs. Love the Show :D

[@jimbobeire]

Are you asking why the "Engineers" are a 100% DNA match? Well, for that simply ask yourself some questions that Shaw never asked. (She never asked because she 'chooses to believe' something else) . Those crude cave paintings. Were they drawn by cave dwelling tribal humans? Or by an advanced space race? Are the cave paintings a depiction of something the tribal humans witnessed, or just an invitation ... in _paint_ ... in remote caves, for humans to find later when they've mastered space flight? Why did these visits continue to isolated tribes well past the iron and bronze age... when other societies already had writing? If the point was to 'invite' us, why not leave the invitation with societies who had libraries, and had already started trying to map the planets and stars? Did those ships go back to the sky with empty cargo holds? Or had they taken some 'human sacrifices' as 'tribute' to the 'sky gods'? If you ask those questions, then an entirely different scenario unfolds. The visits to Earth were to _take_ humans from isolated tribes. Most of the unlucky 'tributes' were probably just marched out of the cargo bay, up that long corridor to the chamber full of urns with the big stone head to stare at/pray to while they are exposed to the black liquid. A bioweapons lab on a desolate moon doesn't seem to be a fun place to work. Why not breed some of the humans, alter them to be bigger, stronger, less individual looking? They can risk their lives making Xenos in the dome, then sleep for centuries until their master wakes them to send them off to get more Fresh bodies for the lab. That is the most logical conclusion for their DNA match and the long periods of stasis would also explain why their mitochondrial DNA seems to be older than modern humans. Not because they 'created us', but because they've been bred from tribal humans, going back millenia, with centuries of sleeping between missions. So, what Shaw thinks are our creators, are probably just a slave caste, considered expendable by their masters. That would also explain that when they did in the outbreak, they were not taken away for proper burial. Their bodies were merely shifted out of the urn chamber, and piled against a wall in a corridor. In the days of the Transatlantic Slave Trade, not all the captured slaves were sent to plantations. Some of them were put to work helping to catch more slaves. Ridley Scott does have the theme of slavery in Bladerunner as well. in this movie he also has the theme of tampering with life... basically "Frankenstein" in space. Or to give the full title to Mary Shelley's book of 1818 "Frankenstein : The Modern Prometheus" The 'Engineers' are like Igor, fetching bodies for the lab. Their master has yet to be revealed. Weyland himself is a kind of Dr. Frankenstein, making new life in the form of David. Shaw has a scene where she reanimates a dead head using a jolt of electricity. And in Covenant, David has gone full 'mad scientist', harvesting Shaw's organs for his experiments. He also quotes the poem "Ozymandias" written by Percy Bysshe Shelley, husband of Mary Shelley. The poem was actually published the same month that her Frankenstein book was published, January 1818.

[@Corporal_Hicks]

I like Prometheus alot and i love Alien (both versions) and Aliens Special Edition. Alien 3 the assembly cut i like and Alien Resurrection... ahh i don't know...

[@jay33begin]

Corporal_Hicks 1977 it was a visualy Nice movie! Left us hanging tho?😃

[@avalangrin4904]

David is a pivotal character in terms of the creator/creation dichotomy. David is resentful of his creators, but ultimately fascinated with humans and their ability to procreate. It explains the horrific things David does in Alien Covenant. I was okay with Prometheus. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@TheUballe]

I have a love/hate relationship with this movie. On the one hand, it's a beautiful film that provides enough ambiguity to keep you interested without giving up all of the mystery of the xenomorph or engineer race. On the other hand, it's a direct prequel to Alien Covenant, which absolutely trivializes the origin of the xenomorph creature, as one of David's creations?!?!? My God, what a way to take a shit all over the franchise.

[@nunyabusiness752]

Love your review guys! Merry Christmas

[@irllcd13]

I'm waitching this on christmas 2017. It's still technically christmas for another 9 minutes.

[@Baz_R]

Best reviewers on KZbin

[@michaelbarnhart2593]

Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett developed a scary, original story: "Alien" - got it developed by 20th Century Fox. Ridley Scott and H.R. Giger created a visual masterpiece that created a wholly unique form on what was essentially "a monster movie in space." It was wildly successful! The end. Ever since, it has been the fan base and studio executives looking for profits in franchising that have kept alive a series that intended no prologue in the first place.

[@michaelbarnhart2593]

@MonkeyZorr - Did you actually READ what I wrote? Look at the first sentence. Haha!

[@d1halberdgnoll963]

I'm placing the blame squarely on Lindelof. Asking questions and then never answering them or even giving enough material to have the audience come up with their own (reasonable) explanation is his M.O. There is also the question why THE HELL a movie based on a very very simple slasher story needed these complicated questions about religion and where humans come from.

[@irllcd13]

Anyone that thinks it's a good idea to attempt to explain the Xenomorph fundamentally misunderstands Alien, everything it stands for, and why it's special. And I include Ridley Scott in that.

[@ThreadBomb]

The responsibility rests with Ridley Scott. He controlled the writing process, including rejecting Spaihts' script and bringing in Lindelof. He could have rejected Lindelof's script; he could have changed it. But he deemed it acceptable. Then he worked with different writers on Covenant, and came up with a script that was equally flawed. If anything, the problem is that Scott had too much control.

[@boggo3848]

How do you only have 10k subs?!

[@Corn_Pone_Flicks]

Let me just mention this, because it gave me a worried feeling right from the beginning of this review: The ending of LOST was not, NOT that they'd been dead the whole time. They meet again in an afterlife, but it's repeatedly stated that everything that happened on the island actually happened, and yet somehow people still missed the point and keep propagating that myth, probably because half of them heard it from someone else and never saw it themselves. This movie definitely had some problems, but half your problems seem to revolve around the way the studio chose to market it, and that's not the writer's or the director's fault. No, not everything was explained in the first film of what was announced as a new trilogy...that would make the subsequent films pointless. By the way, there was an episode of Mythbusters on fire-walking, and one person whose feet started to get too hot ran the length of the firewalk to get off it instead of jumping off to the side...just sayin'.

[@gibbie63]

Quick run into that corner! Oh no we’re cornered!!!

[@jay33begin]

Of The shelf! really like reviews!!😍there down to earth.. professional and informative.. thank you 😜

[@lucasalce6010]

Lost ending wasn't "they are all dead", I'm so sad when people say that...

[@pablogracia305]

Fucking great job boys! Merry christmas from Spain! ;)

[@ziljin]

Prometheus was a alien vs Predator remake without the predators.

[@88feji]

Despite the divisive opinions about the story, I think all can agree that Prometheus (and Alien Covenant) still reinforces Ridley Scott as THE director with THE EYE for gorgeous wonderful visuals .... in fact I think both Prometheus and Alien Covenant, like the first Alien, remains the most gorgeously beautifully made sci fi movies of recent times, even more so than any of Denis Villeneuve's movies (I know Denis V's fans are going to go ape shit on that last statement ... oops) ....

[@handsomestik]

Covenant trailer guys. Thoughts?

[@JoeyMartz]

Damon L did the HBO series, the leftovers... GREAT SHOW! And HBO watchmen.

[@jimbobeire]

As for the movie being called Prometheus, maybe you need to look beyond the obvious. Sure, everyone jumped on the fake TED talk and the Greek myth... But look at the movie, look at Weyland making 'life' with David, Look at Shaw reanimating a dead head with electricity Look at Mary Shelley's 1818 book, the _full_ title... Frankenstein: The Modern Prometheus This movie was never about origin of humanity. It was about a _Ship of Fools_ who stumble onto something horrible and sinister. They mistake crude cave painting depictions of tribal humans being taken away, as 'invitations' left by extra terrestrials. They are so caught up thinking humans are the product of this, and these must be benevolent creatures who will bestow longer life on Weyland and provide answers for Shaw... they completely miss out on the horror that those trips to Earth were about gathering breeding stock for slave labour and _raw material_ for a bioweapons programme.

[@TheArtofTheBrave]

nice review, but you omitted a super important piece of trivia..... that's actually far from trivial in the context of the plot for this movie - and indeed to the horror genre at large; That is, that this movie is effectively HP Lovecrafts - At the Mountains of Madness - in space - all the tropes are here, the expedition into the hostile environment, the discovery that the aliens created life on earth, the morphing monsters that can become any kind of obscene horror that suits their purpose, all key plot points ripped off from HPL - This movie is the reason why Del Torro ditched his ATMOM movie project - cos he felt there was no point in making it since Ridley beat him to the punch with Prometheus. - aside from that, as i say, nice work - i like your videos :)

[@your.dark.lord.]

Yep, pretty much that.

[@chrisperrien7055]

2 most scared guys on the expedition, "We're gonna get out of here!" . Get lost. Then find a space cobra, " I'm gonna pet it! , "Here Cobra! Cobra!"- Boy, that was stupid. The movie was already going downhill, but that was the real cliff.

[@bennygerow]

4:26 maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any ST reviews on here. Are y'all planning on reviewing said 13 movies, or perhaps the best ones?

[@catspaw3092]

You guys should do Silver Bullet next.

[@certifiedscott]

Do you think we'll ever get a "directors cut" of promethius in the near future? I know Ridley Scott has always said that this was his directors cut, but we all know his reputation for these things.. Surely a more fleshed out version exists, or might be assembled?

[@bassethound7133]

I’ve now binged this review enough times to catch the cell phone vibrating! Lol! 15:38

[@Ulyssestnt]

You know that they were not dead all along on LOST,thats just a wrong common interpretation..Damon Lindelof gets way too much shit that he doesnt deserve,he made really good projects like "the leftovers" too.

[@Sam-Lawry]

Alien is Dan o bannon and Giger. R Scott just used a script. And what is the latest great Scott s movie...30+ years ago?

[@Corn_Pone_Flicks]

Uhh, The Martian?

[@kennethwilkinson2095]

Gladiator, Thelma and Louise, Black hawk down would be 3 movies I'd recommend to anyone.

[@zarasbazaar]

Every movie that dreams up an alien race who made us in their image and shares our DNA completely ignores the fact that we share DNA with every life form on earth. Movie producers need to let go of the concept of humans as a pinnacle, an end product. We are a part in the endless transition of life forms.

[@jimbobeire]

I thought it was a theme of the movie that Shaw's religious views prevent her from seeing humanity as anything other than central to the plot. At the start she assumes a live action version of the Book of Genesis, and she has been invited to the Garden of Eden... by the end she thinks it's the Book of Revelations and convinces Janek to sacrifice himself to avoid 'Armageddon'. But the actual evidence on screen suggests something different. cave drawings made by tribal humans, that are a depiction of humans being taken away. workers in an isolated bioweapons lab on a desolate moon who have human DNA (like 'hello' , slaves bred from the tribal humans, and adapted to be bigger, less individual and compatible with the technology of the ship through biomechanical implants. ) The idea that humans were just raw material for this lab never occurs to Shaw cos she's thinking of the bible. Weyland is thinking of the Greek Prometheus myth and thinks he can petition the gods for longer life. What they should have been thinking of is a book by Mary Shelley from 1818... Frankenstein: The Modern Prometheus about a scientist doing dodgy experiments to make new life. Weyland does it with David. Shaw tries to reanimate the dead head with a jolt of electricity, and the entire lab on LV 223 was for mutating organisms to make a hostile, hard to kill organism that can be deployed against enemies.

[@reinforcedpenisstem]

Very good point

[@dedicatedgamer2500]

34:29 As someone who worked on survey vessels for 5 years I can tell you, at least in real life, the bridge is NEVER left unmanned. Also, before we ever landed gear on the seabed we also remotely surveyed for days or sometimes weeks before hand - why didn't they spend time remote sensing the planet? Mind boggling. Also, as a biologist, I hate the way the biologist is conveyed in this film.

[@jimbobeire]

Yeah, but... as a competent person... would you sign up for a long trip on a vessel if the job offer was 'take the money, get on board, and we'll brief you when we reach the destination" ? Only the bottom of the barrel crew with no other job prospects would do that, and then coupled with the fact of who they are taking orders from... Holloway the idiot, Shaw who thinks it's a live action version of the Bible, and Weyland, grasping at straws to cheat death. Recipe for all caution and common sense to go out the window. Still no excuse for the biologist to be as dumb as he was with the snake. Still it must be said, his daft death does not invalidate his questions during the briefing "Where's your proof".

[@regismathias6707]

i, m french,and i speak english like a spanich dog ( the subtiles helps me ) youre channel is just so cool ,i love it

[@Taseradict]

7:30 OK so that was the inspiration for Death Stranding world!

[@patricklim4592]

The original shell could have been petrified after thousands of years so it can still be a costume

[@andreraymond6860]

The problem with world building on this scale and for this sort of budget is that the audience has to follow along or it falls apart.Alien Covenant didn't make its money back in the united states with a 71% fall off after its opening week end. I'm not sure the international release will generate enough revenue to justify another movie in the series. From what I've heard it doesn't answer all the questions and is open ended. Scott hoped to make two more movies leading in to the begining of the original 1979 Alien movie. With all of that one should hope he'll step away from directing another, scale the budget down to under a hundred million dollars, making the continuation of the franchisae viable - and most especially bring on David Cronenberg to write and direct the next one., Cronenberg's sensibilities seem to match up with both the themes and ideas of the Prometheus movies and he has the kind of standing in the horror movie world that will draw in audiences from around the world.

[@s1050]

There are so many issues with this movie but I really enjoyed it. Alien Covenant however was awful.

[@thewhizard]

thought the surgical pod was initiating a sterilization sequence

[@runner1984]

How did Damon Lindelof get the gig with such a bad track record.

[@kentxx12]

And why do they take off their helmets when they enter the black liquid gore room ?

[@chaz9808]

i also hated that they changed what the engineers looked like from the original they made them look more human and made them like 1/3 the size its just lazy

[@JohnnyZenith]

Nope disagree. The human look engineers look amazing. It would be easy to explain the vastly different one from Alien.

[@JohnnyZenith]

@Vandole No I agree with you. That's what i'm saying. It only takes a bit of creative writing to explain that the alien in the first film is different for various reasons. That the Engineer seat setup in Prometheus is like it is for a reason. It only takes some simple creative writing. They were lazy.

[@rustykuntz94]

Another annoying part was having the mutated Fifield monster (which actually looked sicker in the deleted scene they decided not to use) come back only as a plot device to kill off the remaining red shirt crew who were just cannon fodder all along.

[@jimbobeire]

There was another point to that scene. It was to show the entire purpose of the liquid in that first dome. Fifield's attack could only have been clearer if he'd grown a longer head, a tail and a second set of teeth on his tongue. Tribal humans were brought to this place for millenia, marched from the cargo hold of the ship, up a long corridor and into that chamber of urns and exposed to the black liquid. Weyland Yutani later wanted this thing as a _potential_ bioweapon , not realising it was already a bioweapon, made by an advanced race who were not able to fully contain it... which is why it's an isolated lab on a desolated moon, staffed by expendable slaves.

[@Commentator541]

The Elzabeth Shaw is SOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOD! I LOOOOOVE NOOMI RAPACE!!!!! But everything else sucks. And it's the only movie Charlize Theron couldn't save.

[@hopelessedgelord]

7:19 Well i geuss goodbye and thanks for all the fish 23:23 Exactly its like what if theres wild life in there? That won't care if your friendly if its hungry.

[@manwiththeplan4130]

Arrival needs to be reviewed by you guys

[@floex831]

I've never seen this movie, I just order it on UHD Blu-Ray and it is arriving today, looking forward.

[@JohnnyZenith]

I refuse unless they release s directors cut, otherwise no.

[@your.dark.lord.]

I talk to you from the future. Do you regret having bought the disc without having seen it?

[@elbryan9]

I went in thinking I was going to see a prequel to the Alien films and left wondering what in the fuck did I just see???

[@GazFunkstar]

Right Ridley, let's just film Johnny Speight's original script and put Prometheus and Covenant to bed for good 👍

[@gizbot9366]

Watched this by myself in an empty theater because I was so excited. Walked out at the end highly p*ssed. What a nightmare of a movie - and not in the good way.

[@SashaGarcia]

8:25 if they had the power to eliminate the creatures that destroyed humans, why not bypass the middle man?

[@noneya3635]

Come on guys you do so well with giving Dan O'Bannon credit three reviews ago. Please stop saying Ridley "I like Beevus and Butthead" Scott credit for creating this franchise. HE DID NOT CREATE THE ALIEN, the universe it's in, or the story it's attached to. He is JUST a director.

[@noneya3635]

Okay, that line about Vickers period made up for this. :)

[@LazlowUK]

top notch analysis

[@khinthan9044]

R.I.P Vickers

[@shurik121]

I hated this movie when it came out. At that point, it was the worst movie I've ever seen in cinema, but then Suicide Squad came out and I discovered that things can get much worse. Nothing in this movie makes any sense. The basic premise of engineers leaving a map to their weapon research facility to cavemen is stupid. Then, you have idiot people doing idiot things for absolutely no reason other than them being idiots. Then everyone dies, Shaw and David fly off to engineers' homeworld and we get Alien: Covenant.

[@adamduffield7782]

And then Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson make the last Jedi!!!!

[@JohnnyZenith]

The map was left 100s of years before. It was a welcome for if we advanced enough but something changed in the next 2000 years.

[@cdevil9488]

I'm a little surprised you guys never asked a pretty obvious (to me) question; how the hell did the squid alien in the emergency pod grow so big with nothing to eat?

[@jimbobeire]

That's not a big mystery. It's just easy to miss if you're not watching the details. The two guys who were assisting Weyland to prepare to 'meet his maker' ;) ... logically, they would have gone to prep the medpod for Weyland's use on his return to confirm whether he'd been 'healed' or whatever he expected. When Shaw looks back into the medpod later, it's a reverse shot, we don't see what she sees, we see her looking in, and below the narrow window in that door, are smeared bloody handprints. Those dudes got ambushed and eaten.

[@GriffSalute]

Both of you guys need to keep doing these lol. possibly start a vlog channel.

[@GriffSalute]

Great Duo

[@nunyabusiness752]

As its own movie, I liked it. I loved your review!!❤

[@kswone1]

The guy on the right looks like the British ginger Silent Bob. kind of.

[@FreezeInfinite]

Why do humans have to be connected to everything in the universe in these movies. I always imagined the Aliens coming from their own planet and they are a separate organism than us. I also imagined the Engineers being another advanced civilization that somehow came into contact with the aliens, but they are also not connected to humans. Why do the engineers have to have created us and the aliens and its all connected? I think it's much more fascinating having separate organisms across the universe that somehow meet by crazy circumstances. Some of these writers are so egotistical to have to always connect everything in the universe to us. This is kind of like Insidious, I loved the first movie. It was really creative and had so much mystery, then the sequels answered all the mystery and ruined the first one.

[@91lifetime23]

Does Ian not notice falling debris EVERYWHERE when the ship is falling?, the only thing that is keeping them safe is that they are running under the derelict and they are trying to out run it, Shaw gets "lucky" by falling and hiding under a rock

[@your.dark.lord.]

Nice try...

[@91lifetime23]

J I got a point don’t I?