Half in the Bag Episode 33: Prometheus

[@doctortrouserpants1387]

watching this in 2024, you both look about 15 years old.

[@bezceljudzelzceljsh5799]

Yeah, feels weird, I always thought of them as 40 year old's.

[@DanielSzilagyi]

oh wow, so young here!

[@CraigTalbert]

In Jay’s Amish phase.

[@Timmycakes88]

@@CraigTalbert It's funny, I was searching for the RLM video where Jay's appearance drastically changes and he stops looking sorta like a bum and becomes a (more) handsome fella. It's HITB Episode 59: The Wolverine vs. X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

[@brooksklepper2853]

@@CraigTalbertOr the weird neighbor kid from The Burbs?

[@thirdcoast6513]

Romulus check in

[@Zarkorr]

Same

[@Largentina.]

Screw that movie! It's so WOKE! They ruined this franchise by gender swapping the protagonist. In the originals the main character, Ripley, was played by a badass man. Now it's some chick! Everyone knows that in real life a woman could never beat up a xenomorph. What's next liberals?!?!

[@AvielMannBallo]

LITERALLY

[@maxharper3737]

Me trying to remember this movie after seeing Alien 5

[@alphatrion4365]

Der's sometin in da wa-er!

[@SierraSierraFoxtrot]

"People saying it's the worst thing since the Phantom Menace" I want to go back to the time when we were all this naive.

[@Genevasplaytime]

I loved this film. It was so mysterious and a great adventure. People are always spoilt brats who either give 10s or 1s. Now they are getting what they deserve 😁

[@SierraSierraFoxtrot]

@@Genevasplaytime you can enjoy it, but it's a bad movie.

[@Genevasplaytime]

@@SierraSierraFoxtrot Well comparatively speaking it isnt. If bad is a 4 and good is a 6 i would say this is a 7 or 8, and seeing as it is a 7 on imdb taken from 570k votes id say that the world agrees. Alien covenant however is a bad movie.

[@SierraSierraFoxtrot]

@@Genevasplaytime that peopke don't know good from bad is not news.

[@Genevasplaytime]

@@SierraSierraFoxtrot So what rating would you give it?

[@IAmNumber4000]

"I don't wanna be so quick to dismiss it. I'd like to give the movie more credit because Ridley Scott's a smart filmmaker" Look at how optimistic you guys were before Alien Covenant

[@TheUltimateBastich]

The keyword is naive.

[@benjaminkeith1417]

Im happy this comment was found after the fact lol.

[@elektrozil9728]

@@sjz1925 11:45

[@JigglePhysics3000]

I don't know what video it's in, but just remembering that Ridley Scott quote on his director's cut of Bladerunner - and him putting in the footage of the unicorn - it's extremely funny that Jay would call him a 'smart filmmaker'.

[@Eganweeds]

@@JigglePhysics3000 Filmmaker, not screenwriter lol. Ridley Scott makes extraordinarily confusing plot choices in almost all his films, however, his directing style is almost always consistently good. He makes great looking films, but stupid, inconsistent and misleading fucking screenplays.

[@KubeSquared]

I'm glad Jay found a look that works for him, cause the drunken hillbilly he's rocking here doesn't suit him.

[@taylorkichu4683]

@@RemixedVoice the biggest difference with Jay's appearance is he grew decent facial hair.

[@Redmanticore]

paul, "just" started to be precise about hair and facial hair and started to go to gym and be precise about healthy eating. all in all takes actual effort when combined.

[@RawkL0bster]

@Paul Johnson Wait, I do both of those regularly.

[@PwnZombie]

We prefer ‘HillWilliam’ actually

[@geoffreyhdavey]

Looking like the youngest Klopek.

[@floridtv]

struggling to wrap my head around the fact this was 10 years ago

[@TheAnonymousIndividual]

Yeah, man, time flies and it's sad. :/

[@GeekMasterGames]

Oh god we're all already dead

[@matttheking1655]

😮 So True...

[@CordellPotts]

Time moves faster now.

[@ronmexico6901]

Great movie

[@Mega_Xenomorph]

14:31 very quick you might miss it, in the trailer footage, they just played the shot of the ship landing backward so it looks like it's taking off. If you play it at a slow speed you can see the pluses from the jets going up instead of down.

[@McLarenMercedes]

19:45 Well, it has now. George Miller's triumphant return to the very movies that made his name - Mad Max.

[@weavehole]

Fuck you! I wanted to say that

[@twoidiots9844]

McLarenMercedes Gonna change your name to McLarenHonda now? Sad to see the team doing so poorly this season. Not gonna get better for them until the 2017 rule changes I don't think either.

[@McLarenMercedes]

Two Idiots² My guess is McLarenHonda is already taken and it was McLarenMercedes for 20 rather successful years (78 wins). Yeah, they are humiliated now getting their asses kicked by everybody else despite having two champion drivers. George Lucas was at Silverstone btw. I wonder if he was giving Bernie Ecclestone any ideas how to run a business empire? Or maybe he's fascinated by the discovery that there actually is a real-life emperor Palpatine. :) Too many yes-men around both of them. Everything I know about the Star Wars prequals and George Lucas I learned from RedLetterMedia. Lucas at least had the decency to step down and sell SW to Disney. If there's no change soon I'll send Bernie some pizza rolls.

[@twoidiots9844]

McLarenMercedes Ha! I saw George in one of the garages during the race weekend too, I guessed he was probably in the Mercedes GP guest area. F1 was probably his inspiration for the Phantom Menace 'Pod Race'; Maldonado as Jar Jar Binks and Hamilton as the whiny young Anakin. I had actually never thought of Bernie as so similiar to the emperor, but they're so alike! Great comparison lol

[@pennyzakrzewski8425]

you guys forgot to mention X-men Days of Future Past

[@TheAdditionalPylons]

My main issue with this movie was the foolish behavior of so many supposedly intelligent characters. lets touch this dangerous looking alien snake thing, lets take off our helmets on an alien planet because unnecesary risks are cool, lets not run out of the path of something thats about to crush us, ect. So many things happen based on the behavior of characters without a lick of common sense. The writer of the script needs to be told that thats not a good way to advance the plot effectively.

[@allendulles2481]

Extrapolate how dumbed-down stupid, naive and sheltered future generations would become. Think late millennials and gen Z. A LOT of them would act like that NOW. So you gotta figure it would only get worse in the future, presuming the Society hadn't collapsed.

[@sandelic1]

I knew when Theron said "we're half a billion miles from earth" that movie will not end making any sense.

[@lorddevilfish5868]

Why measure space in miles and not light years?

[@jimbobeire]

@@lorddevilfish5868 Cos she doesn't care about space, she doesn't want to be in space. She's only there because of the conflict with her dad. Did you notice she doesn't take a single step off the ship until she has to eject?

[@Edward-Not-Elric]

I love that Prometheus takes place on Jupiter.

[@alltheflavors9673]

@@jimbobeire she wouldn't even have to be there. its pointless and dumb.

[@jimbobeire]

@@alltheflavors9673 She doesn't want her father to die like that in a cave lightyears from Earth. They don't get along well, doesn't mean she wants him to have anything other than a natural death at home.

[@ethanwelborn]

"There's a glitch!", "What do you mean, a glitch?" "It's reading life form", "What do you mean a life form?" "They're changing", "Changing into what?" "It's an invitation", "From whom?" "They're leaving", "To go where?" Manufactured drama is manufactured.

[@Laizerdisk]

Psycho Mantis?

[@Drilling4mana]

LIQUID!

[@corruptofficial8638]

A Red Spy is in the base!?

[@TheTouristArrives]

Questions?!

[@Antillles]

"They fly now?", "They fly now."

[@D0NTST4RT]

It's funny how Prometheus supposedly tackles bigger themes than Alien. Alien really explores its themes in different ways with each movie. Prometheus establishes a whole lot of themes but really doesn't say much about anything. Just like Lost, a whole lot of build up for nothing.

[@irllcd13]

Prometheus is a stupid movie that thinks it's smart.

[@JosephDavies]

@Adrijana Radosevic I agree, you pretty much nail it. One thing, though: "But... those are truckers transporting ore and materials. It's OK that they're dumb, do stupid shit, get unwilling and rebellious, and just wanna end this and go home." They really weren't all that stupid. They made decisions with very little knowledge and about things far outside their expertise or expectations, and honestly did fairly well. They were simply never going to survive that encounter once they breached protocol, and even that is only obvious in retrospect. It's hard to say how rare this kind of alien situation is in the universe because we see so little of it, but it seems safe to say it's completely unexpected. The really bad decisions in Alien are made _on purpose_ by someone with malicious (or at least indifferent) intent. Everyone else is left reacting. Prometheus, by contrast, has people making amateur mistakes, in their relative fields of expertise, which would be mistakes even if everything they encounter were no more unusual than what they're prepared for on Earth. That's what makes them stupid anti-scientists. If you ask a trucker what a "polymerase chain reaction" is and they don't know, that doesn't make them an idiot. If you ask a bio-chemist what "polymerase chain reaction" is and _they_ don't know, it probably _does_ make them an idiot. Likewise if I were to ask them both about the maximum load of space ore the Nostromo can hold, I expect the expertise to fall the other way. In Alien, no one on the Nostromo seemed ignorant of their jobs, in fact they attempted to use the ship's environment and its facilities to their advantage and one of them even managed to survive. That's a pretty good recommendation when the group of experts did no better than the space truckers, and in fact did far worse by putting themselves in harm's way at every opportunity. We see the crew of the Prometheus, as a direct result of ignoring their training and presumed knowledge, _create_ every threat to their lives in the film except the storm.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Lindelof is a sh*tty "Mystery Box" writer. Here's how "Mystery Box" writing works. This is how JJ/Lindelof write ALL their movies: 1) Raise several questions, including one "deep" question and several boring questions. 2) When the time comes in the story to answer the "deep" question: a) Answer the boring question instead. b) Don't answer the question at all. c) Postpone answering the question. ("A good question. For another time.") 3) Audience remembers that you raised the important question. Thinks that the movie was "deep." Forgets that you didn't answer it. 4) Repeat forever. 5) Profit. "Prometheus" is a perfect example of it. This movie sets up questions about faith and humanity's place in the universe. Faith is central to Shaw, the movie's main character, and it's clear that her character growth will revolve around the answer to that question. She is going to learn something on this trip that will either reinforce her beliefs or deeply shake them. When we finally meet the Engineer in the movie and see his violent reaction to humans, Shaw raises the obvious audience question: "Why do you hate us! Why do you want to kill us?" This is the answer the movie has been building up to from the beginning and it REALLY matters once we find out that the Engineer's ship contains bio-weapons meant for Earth. You finally meet your creators and learn that they want to KILL YOU. That's a profound, terrifying idea. A much more interesting idea that the one Lindelof come up with. But Lindelof didn't know how to answer that question (or he simply didn't care). So instead of getting the answer to the profound question, we get "Weyland wants more life" instead. I think that is so f*cking lazy and disappointing. And audiences fall for this bait-and-switch storytelling all the time. They think the movie was "deep" (because it asked a deep question) but they can't remember WHY it was deep (because that question was never answered).

[@JosephDavies]

@@KneelB4Bacon Absolutely.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

@@revalution1965 When your own creators show you that they want to KILL YOU, that's a question that has to be answered right now. Was creating humans a mistake? If so, why was it a mistake? They can't just say, "a good question, for another time" here. The whole movie has been building up to the answer to that question. You can fully answer those questions without turning the Engineer into an exposition dump during a single scene. Drop hints at several points during the movie that things are not going to go the way the crew of the Prometheus expect. But Lindelof was too lazy to do this, so instead of answering that question, he has Weyland give the Engineer his, "I created David so we are both like the Gods" speech, as if that was his plan all along. The Engineer responds by ripping David's head off and killing Weyland. Why? That makes no sense. If anything, the Engineer should be amused that this minimally-evolved monkey is try to tell him that they are both equals. It's no reason to wipe out an entire race. The Engineer is acting like he's responding to the original, unanswered question (you humans need to die and here's why). It's confusing as hell.

[@DuckInAParticle]

Can't wait for Promethius Part Bwaaah. Going to answer so many questions, like "What is the significance of the Bwaaah sound?" and "If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound, and if so, is it Bwaaah?"

[@weirdlingweirdo1058]

@@TrueNubinator right, like the 2 said: no conclusions and only introduction of new ideas like Lost. RLM makes me glad that I didn't watch Lost but I'd watch Prometheus to see the closest thing to an ending. I don't mind if we are left with nothing like Children of Men but have an artistic reason not just intros to new ideas.

[@D-Loop6]

Always nice to watch old reviews of theirs that you have never watched before.

[@Scarzrman888]

"Well my initial thoughts after leaving the theatre was, 'where's the bathroom?'. My second thought was, ahhhhh (relief)" HAhahahahaaha

[@SimonThorntonVideo]

Why are they in Plinkett's house? None of this makes sense. These hacks are just as bad Ridley Scott!

[@CaptWesStarwind]

@@JediBunny lol So he is like Ridley Scott.

[@SuperDerp5]

They’re there to fix his vcr.

[@swinny_]

its not complicated. its convoluted.

[@SmokiestJoe]

Swinny amen

[@dylanmartin9190]

@@somercet1 We know these things, yes. But that happened on another planet... and we only know that the queen laid the eggs because of James Cameron's sequel. Not becase of stupid dumb dumb Ridley

[@JosephDavies]

@sgt dornan He really does seem to subscribe to the school of thought where intentionally making something inconsistent so that it becomes an irresolvable mystery without a solution is "good" and legitimately "though-provoking". At least some portion of the audience is sufficiently impressed by this to agree, but I find it vacuously pretentious and more akin to the storytelling version of a con-man's shell game.

[@nikkyboy1067]

eh

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

As for Covenant, that’s just flat bad

[@MrBoombastic1904]

Jay recommends a movie Clip of the movie starts.."I was born with 7 clits" Me: Yep, not surprised Jay recommended this one.

[@atmosdwagon4656]

The top-down biggest failing for this movie was its premise: answering the questions posed by the other Aliens movies (at least; the good ones). Yes, lets ruin the mystique and terror caused by the unknown (you might say *alien*) nature of the xenomorphs. Ridley Scott wanted to make another sci-fi movie, a REAL sci-fi movie that makes you think. And Prometheus did make me think...unfortunately, the more I thought about it, the more I realized how bad the story is. There are deeper themes connected to many scenes in the movie...it's just all this other stuff that makes the characters out as unbelievably stupid.

[@muthesquirrel]

19:45 And not long after they said this Mad Max: Fury Road came out.

[@SumDumGy]

That’s okay. Stallone had already pulled it off twice.

[@ajstman]

When they showed the trailer I couldn't tell if they added more of that sound clip or if that's just the way the trailer was it got me cracking up

[@RuneForumwalker]

19:33 George Miller and Mad Max is the example Jay is thinking of.

[@Swarm509]

Came to make that exact comment, and they make a similar one in the Fury Road review. He mastered what he started with decades ago.

[@RuneForumwalker]

To be honest I wasn't that thrilled with Fury Road. It's still probably better than the first and third movies though. It's just it will never touch Road Warrior in my heart and mind.

[@mephilatian]

Yeah, but this review was before Fury Road. Can you think of any other directors pre-Fury Road?

[@RuneForumwalker]

Solid point. There definitely isn't an example for that movie.

[@TheSingularitarian]

☆☆☆☆☆

[@A_Noid]

Ah! coming here looking forward to Romulus. Always a pleasure seeing pre-makeover Jay.

[@AHersheyHere]

I did hate how the “professionals” acted like tourists, the one guy taking off his helmet, sure, but no one else should’ve. There should’ve been talk about decontamination. Why did the two people who left early, the geologist and biologist, are the ones who got left behind? If you don’t have good characters, the rest of the movie will suffer for it.

[@damiantreanor9468]

Director who left a genre and nailed the return? Wes Craven. Did the original nightmare of elm street, then other directors slowly turned the series (and the genre) into crap, and he comes back and gets the whole scene going again with Scream.

[@destroybot3000]

I’d argue he got it started back with New Nightmare. The movie is a little flawed, but it is definitely the progenitor for Scream. All the meta horror has its beginnings in New Nightmare.

[@ElArto95]

Also George Miller with Mad Max: Fury Road

[@joelsmith5938]

@@ElArto95 With none other than Charlize Theron!

[@mathmusicstructure]

prometheus is garbage because of the script. Almost everything else is done really well. Unfortunately, a bad script is one thing a thoughtful sci fi movie cannot have if it wishes to be successful.

[@mathmusicstructure]

so true

[@BollocksUtwat]

mathmusicstructure No. Holloway was a fucking cunty performance.

[@cb1671]

The script was decent in terms of the overall events of the story. Where it gets really muddled is the life cycle of the Alien. I get the impression that the black goo tries to turn the reprpductive system into a queen / face hugger producers. And I figure after that, the life cycle goes on just like in the Alien films. But if that's true, they should've fleshed it out more with some sort of exposition, maybe from David. My little theory is based on a lot of assumptions and inference. A good script would have taken care of that.

[@sjbrooksy45]

mathmusicstructure I read the original script, and though it wasn't a philosophical movie of any sort, it was really good. Would have liked to see it put to film.

[@SammEater]

***** He ruined Lost and still managed to make a script for a movie like this? Damn Hollywood.

[@MavenCree]

It's the most beautiful piece of crap ever put on film.

[@night1952]

@@idrinkmilk282 He didn't call it "the worst movie" just a piece of crap, which it is. Of course there are worse movies, but it's a gold plated turd.

[@themysteriouscatperson9483]

I Drink Milk Can you even read?!

[@RegretfulDeadMan]

The best thing Prometheus did was give is "The Prometheus School Of Running Away From Things"

[@drumkidchaos]

and the crucial lesson of "if you meet strange space snake-penis-vagina creature, obviously you get close and try to play with it" also, *DING*

[@akiuop123]

I don't know. I'd give him a half point deduction for referencing Cinema Sins. That channel is annoying.

[@ehcmier]

You'd remove a sin?

[@akiuop123]

Not sure I fully understand what you're asking, ehcmier. I'm just saying that, if we're playing by Xenovista's rules, I'd remove a half point for referencing Cinema Sins because I think that channel is annoying. Has nothing to do with removing "sins" from the movie itself.

[@Novasky2007]

It made more sense if you knew he was a poisonous snake handler but like everything vital to the plot it got edited out.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

You could also have mentioned the following questionable things: - Two archaeologists (I assume that's what they were) want to fly through the universe for two years. They get funding. When asked for any evidence for their thesis, they admit they have none. Their shit gets funded based on "I BELIEEEEEEVE". They present absolutely nothing, and admit that they have nothing. - One of the guys who is first to get killed claims to be a geologist. He's on a planet that nobody has ever been on before. He says he loves rocks. He doesn't even bother to look at anything, at all. ever. He is surrounded by rocks and does nothing. As a geologist. Who is surrounded by rocks on a foreign planet. - They date the death of one of the human alien things using a radiocarbon dating method. It is astounding that they at least managed to have the characters say an age that is consistent with this method. But unfortunately, carbon dating does not produce unambiguous results, and it does not work on foreign planets of which they know basically nothing. Their result of the time of death is complete garbage and has no value at all. - The guy who gets the black goo in his drink and then changes into some weird thing gets set on fire. This does not kill him, he just stands back up and starts to fuck shit up. They set him on fire again. This time it magically kills him, or he just doesn't feel like getting up again. - The biologist doesn't give two shits about an alien. The biologist. Who studies life. Doesn't care about an alien life form. - The geologist and the biologist get lost. They don't ask the guy with the map and their location on that map for directions. They just go with it. Because the plot required their deaths. They read the script and knew that they had to stay there and die. The person who came up with those ideas clearly has no science background. And yet he didn't even bother to ask someone who does how anything at all even works. And he doesn't even know what geologists do. Or what biologists do. Some characters in this movie are horrible, and some of the things they do show that absolutely no effort was made to make their actions consistent with who they are and what their supposed profession is. But I still think the movie is ok, it looked nice and was entertaining.

[@jrd33]

Exactly. If you are making a war movie, you have to have actors who can act like soldiers or it just doesn't work. This is a movie about scientists who don't act at all like scientists.

[@johnconner9485]

This film is so bad its funny and depressing at the same time.

[@JosephDavies]

"The person who came up with those ideas" was Damon Lindelof. If you read the original script before they brought him in to Script Doctor the whole thing (Script Doctor Kevorkian would be more accurate), no one was _this_ stupid. Characters had motivations, and made only a few mistakes. It was a fairly ordinary script, but it wasn't _boneheaded_ with a grudge against scientists and basic epistemology. The problem apparently was that it tied directly into Alien as a prequel, and at some point they decided to file off the planet designation and change the alien mutations so that nothing lines up (even though it still does, making it into a weird case of things being suspiciously similar for no in-universe reason), and while he was at it he massacred the rest. We never see any of these top men and women in their fields be good at their jobs, we only see them fail, and in trivial ways. So when they fail, it doesn't seem like they were unprepared for an astonishing situation, it feels like they all failed upward into their positions and were too Dunning-Kruegered to notice. But the movie insists that this isn't the case and that they're brilliant people, so instead of telling an interesting story about flawed people, the script is lying to us and constantly kicking down the fourth wall to get to the next plot point on the other side. And the worst part is the Lindelof appears to believes his own tripe. Both in defense of this and other scripts he's ruined, he claims that these flaws, plotholes, character mishandlings, and downright lazy storytelling leave things up to the audience to fill in the blanks and makes it _good_ by being poor. It's the old "my art isn't bad, it's just too smart for everyone but me!" excuse. He doesn't leave questions to make people think, people are left questioning it because he left obvious holes that don't make sense to be left unfilled. At best, his view is a very pragmatic one (like Alex Kurtzman's): that any kind of success is sufficient to justify the work. He intentionally wrecks a script because it causes a meta-discussion about the work and he views _that_ as a success, not whether people are enjoying the work itself. That's a Hollywood version of the social media "engagement" metric of success...

[@nikkyboy1067]

... Eh

[@SpaghettyLuvsU]

_Exactly_ These are the things that made me dislike the movie. The characters, their choices, and the dialogue were all just too goddamn dumb.

[@avatar6699]

"I don't wanna be so quick to dismiss it. I'd like to give the movie more credit because Ridley Scott's a smart filmmaker" He says after watching a beautiful world setting in which 'Scientists' take off their helmets after being on an alien world for less than 15mins, all while playing with the local wildlife that resemble cobras...

[@Zodroo_Tint]

Prometheus is undefendable but Ridley Scott was defendable till the Covenant came out. I would not try to deffend Prometheus because I think this movie is a terrible sci-fi, but the guy is more like a horror guy than a sci-fi guy. He likes some weird shit what very few people like.

[@quicksandbuddy]

Watched Prometheus over the weekend for the first time since I saw it in theaters and I was blown away by how gorgeous it is, just like I was when I first saw it. Even in 2024, I can still confidently say that it's one of the most visually beautiful movies I've ever seen.

[@ktthross]

And I did stop watching movies. Thank you Jay.

[@alexsilva28]

based

[@bencarlson4300]

If I were to remake this film, I would cut out most of the characters, make David the main character, and hammer home the themes of “having a soul” and “meeting your creator” with more dialogue between David and HIS creator. Maybe David even turns on his creator after talking with the Engineer and learning why they want to destroy humanity. Conceptually, this movie fascinates me, but in execution, it’s very weak.

[@jimbobeire]

The 'meeting the creator' thing has been overdone in sci fi. What I found interesting is that the movie set it up that Shaw was 100% sure that she'd stumbled onto a way to find our creators, but the evidence doesn't back it up. I was hoping that _Covenant_ would reveal how wrong she was, but _Covenant_ just ran back to the mediocrity of a standard 'dumb crew killed by monster' and even had it ejected into space at the end just like _Alien_ , _Aliens_ , and _Alien Resurrection_ .

[@nicholasvinen]

It would have been cool if the creators were kind of friendly and questioning the humans (albeit with worrying discoveries by the humans while this happens, like biological weapons being developed). At the same time, the humans are trying to get answers to their questions but the creators only give cryptic answers and want to know more about life on Earth before they give more details. Then, the more the creators find out about life on Earth (religious wars etc) they decide that they made a mistake and secretly try to launch a fleet to destroy Earth. Somehow the humans find out but they are split as to whether they need to convince the creators they are wrong or violently stop them.

[@nicholasvinen]

I had some further thoughts about this in the shower that flesh it out into a more or less complete story. Let's say early on after they land, they discover that snake monster and grab it for analysis (they later figure out it's a genetically engineered weapon, possibly in a horrible way). They also notice a large number of casks that don't seem to have moved in decades. One is broken with a snake sizes hole and markings make it seem likely these cannisters store the weapons for later activation. Some of the cannisters are larger. Later on, after talks with the engineer break down somewhat, they notice the casks are gone. They try to surreptitiously figure out where and trace them to a cave complex. They find a space ship launching complex in there, with the ships obviously loaded with the cannisters. The humans argue. Some try to go back to the engineer, say they know what is going on and it isn't right to launch those weapons on billions of mostly innocent people. A villain speech ensues, followed by a fight. The engineer seems defeated and spills the beans, revealing it was a rogue engineer (zealot?) who stole genetic material and sacrificed himself on Earth to start life there. The cave drawings were a warning, not an invitation. The engineer then managed to get up and kill/subdue the humans. The others realise they haven't come back, something is going down and plan an assault to take out the ships, cobbling up whatever they can to use as weapons. They go to the cave and are met by multiple armoured engineers. Epic fight ensues, the engineers are defeated but most of the humans are dead or disabled. The remainder carry on into the cave. They find the ship preparing to take off with the earlier engineer on board. Their weapons can't scratch the ship. One of them reveals he/she actually lied about their background to get onto the mission. They are actually a hacker. They manage to connect to an umbilical cord going to the ship with a fibre optic cable. Sniffing the data, they see it's mostly garbage but there is a repeating pattern. They try to plot the numbers in various ways on a 3D field and realise it's a map to Earth. They can't just put garbage since the engineer will realise, so instead they change it to a planet far from Earth where they figure it won't do harm. They sneak out and see the ship take off. The few humans left bug out but are not sure they can find their way back to Earth since the navigator is dead but they'll try. The engineer's ship destination - the planet from Alien. End movie.

[@NoriMori1992]

The movie doesn't even fascinate me conceptually. I can't think of an interesting idea it brought to mind or an interesting question it posed. And frankly, even if I could, when a movie is this bad I don't really care about what it has to say anyway.

[@SeekerSean]

When they talk about seeing the next movie for answers for Prometheus, all I can think about is the clip of Mike just saying no over and over again to Josh in that episode of Best of the Worst...lol

[@stvbrsn]

16:52 “...Star Trek ran out of gas...” Mike, don’t you mean “ran out of dilithiun crystals? Uh, ok. Sorry.

[@JosephDavies]

No, the correct analogy to gasoline, as a fuel, would be deuterium or tritium. The dilithium crystals are more like the spark plugs, or perhaps an alternator; they regulate the matter/antimatter reaction which powers the ship, but aren't the source of the power itself... Uh, sorry.

[@SpaghettyLuvsU]

@@JosephDavies Aw dang, you forgot to start your answer with "Um, Actually..." so I can't award you any points! Sorry, it's the name of the show, it's the only rule, we have to enforce it 😬

[@JosephDavies]

@@SpaghettyLuvsU Whoops! I messed it up. Darn. :p

[@andreac.2032]

19:44 There is an answer, Mad Max: Furious road and its director.

[@Cbricklyne]

"Fury" Road. ....though I'm sure the spin-off movie "Furios(a) Road " would be great as well.

[@jupiterkansas]

You two were very kind to Prometheus.

[@TonicCantaloupe]

Whats with the super subtle random bell dinging in these videos? There's one at 10:47, 13:08 and 13:17 for reference. And that's just a few, from just this episode.

[@rabasiticamphibian]

The film lost all believability When the scientists took their helmets off.

[@waynesWyrdWorld]

I've watched Prometheus 5 times now in an effort to appreciate it more, but I just can't seem to enjoy it. It comes across as trying desperately to seem smart, tense and with an undertone of deep meaning, whereas it lacks any redeeming originality, has cardboard cutout characters (Fassbender aside), and wimps out instead of embracing the visceral.

[@old3nglish_234]

Just watch it 5 more times and maybe you'll finally understand the genius of ridley scott's vision.

[@waynesWyrdWorld]

old3nglish _ yyyyyyyyyyyeah.... I could watch it five more times... I could...

[@Egzvorg]

feels good to be stupid

[@cappygolucky]

Relax for a start

[@DepressedHandsomeSpaceCop]

Ridley Scott mostly makes bad movies. I've seen Napoleon, I feel confident in saying this.

[@gumbiman3350]

As usual Michael Fassbender is the best thing about it. Fucking awesome actor.

[@gumbiman3350]

Arvin Nassiri Plus he's hot.

[@brotherbisquick]

More like Michael Slowstraightener

[@gumbiman3350]

Steven Loving ???

[@TheTrueMerrio]

Are you guys talking about Mouth Flushxander?

[@retrogore420]

Gotta agree here. I love Mitchell Foxhounder.

[@Griffin1171-love-you-all]

17:28 This is all kind of ironic considering that they created the Mr. Plinkett reviews.

[@yhwatevaman9002]

+James Brincefield double fail

[@ulyssesvaughan7816]

+Griffin1171 I think Mike realized that in his response.

[@johdousha]

In honour of Ridley Scott's sort-of prequel to Alien, I supply a sort-of answer to Jay's question at about 19:14 - "Has there ever been a filmmaker who successfully returned to a genre s/he had been successful in as a young director?" John Frankenheimer's 1998 Ronin is a kick-ass car-chase film, and I think the last time he'd filmed a car chase was in the '60s (in the very successful 1966 film Grand Prix, at least). Could also say he was a multi-generational success in the genre of crime-thriller-with-amazing-chase-scene-set-in-Marseilles. He directed The French Connection II in 1975 and, again, Ronin in 1998 (pretty much his only two big movie successes in that 23-year period).

[@jupiterkansas]

John Shafer Even better was Charles Crichton coming back with the heist comedy A Fish Called Wanda 37 years after The Lavender Hill Mob.

[@Furzkampfbomber]

_"It's not Battleship"_ Well, I have enjoyed this movie a lot for what it was. I actually had more fun watching Battleship than watching Prometheus, which pretended to be somehow scientifically accurate and yet made no sense whatsoever. Battleship at least is honest. We are the good guys, the aliens are the bad guys, let's brake their faces. With a battlecruiser.

[@kidneystonermusic]

All I remember is so much cgi they run in straight lines everywhere because there's no set.

[@Aeis_Kalt]

If Ridley Scott is so fucking smart, let me ask you this, because I can't answer it, and Scott probably won't. IF Prometheus is supposed to be a prequel to Alien, and Aliens, why does the tech, and ships, look more advanced than the ships, and tech, in Alien, or Aliens? There is only one sequel that makes any sense to be linked to the first 2 movies, and it's a fucking video game called Alien: Isolation.

[@ZachFett]

Ridley Scott tried answering this in the past, he claims the reason the Prometheus ship has such advanced tech is because this is Weyland's personal project that he put a shit load of money into, while the Nostromo in Alien was just a cheap tug boat, basically. But that still doesn't make sense, since it takes place 88 years before Aliens, so why does that tech not even exist in a huge military ship? The military would definitely have that tech almost a century later. The real answer is simply that Ridley Scott changes his mind constantly and he doesn't care about plot holes.

[@BlackWolf-el3gu]

Because alien was made in the 70s and aliens was made in the 80s… There did I answer your question.

[@Aeis_Kalt]

@@BlackWolf-el3gu no, it didn't. I know the answer. Scott is kind of a dumbass as it pertains to how his ships should look. period.

[@TofuPetteri]

I guess they thought that if they'd make a movie that looks like it was made in the 60's people wouldn't like to look at it on our modern age.

[@epicwaba6424]

All the tech we saw in Alien and Aliens was mass produced industrial equipment. The Prometheus was likely using the most advanced and expensive tech available to Weyland-Yutani, because its CEO was staking his life on the mission. Maybe there’s even better tech by the time of Alien, but space truckers definitely aren’t getting any of it.

[@flusterdouglas9326]

This is such a great episode. That ending, 10/10.

[@DoughboyJonesmk2]

My quarrel with this movie wasn't how it explained the xenomorph origins so much as the fact that it tried to explain them at all. Without writing a book, I always felt the mysteriousness and lack of explanation of the creatures made them much scarier and it was more fun letting your imagination run wild as to things like: Who the space jockey was and why he crashed on LV-426; Why the aliens were on the ship; where the aliens came from in the first place, etc. rather than flat out saying "Oh, it's a giant blue guy in a suit and they more or less made them and as an added bonus: they hate humans for no apparent reason.' I agree that it's a visually impressive movie and it's fun to watch in that aspect but the way everything plays out was simply unsatisfying to me. I would be more than willing to watch a sequel that (hopefully) does offer some actual answers, though.

[@Horatio787]

Tell me, what'd you get out of Alien Covenant? I heard they basically threw all the answers in the garbage.

[@GeorgeMonet]

For me it just seemed like the Aliens evolved naturally on their world. The last mother laid some eggs to incubate during a period of low food availability to reemerge during the next cycle on the planet when food would be more prevalent.

[@MarkCodyDirtAndMingle]

A load of reviews I haven't seen yet! :) Great! Thanks lads; you're the most interesting and incisive reviewers on the planet :)

[@tessiof]

19:12, George Miller returned to a franchise many years after.. and it was awesome!

[@jeanlucdiscard]

"Why was it a guy in old man makeup?" No literally, why was it Guy (Pierce) in old man makeup?

[@jetydosa1]

watching the movie, I thought the same thing. Why not just have an old man do the part?

[@channelbrookes]

Especially when Peter O'Toole was still alive at the time. He'd make a perfectly good old Guy Pearce.

[@davidanderson8989]

This was Jay's awkward phase

[@84jesterx]

I guess I'm in that one at 40.

[@nlald]

It’s not a phase for the rest of us.

[@Darrylizer1]

Ah Prometheus. The most beautiful sculpture in the world, made of human feces.

[@Genevasplaytime]

Faeces*

[@SpaghettyLuvsU]

@@Genevasplaytime Fæces*

[@RaviBMaharaj]

RedLetterMedia a director who made a successful film in a series and returned to it with even more success was Martin Campbell in the James Bond franchise. Both Goldeneye, the first one for Pierce Brosnan, and Casino Royale, the first one for Daniel Craig, were critical and box office sucesses that helped reboot the film series during some low points in their history.

[@garretteverett2613]

I really liked Prometheus but the huge amount of unanswered questions that you guys bring up is right on the nose. In retrospect, it reminds me a lot of the original Evil Dead - the first half is a great setup with regards to aesthetics, atmosphere, world-building, characters, plot etc. and then the last half is basically just "How many different f-ed up monster effects can we cram in here! Woo!"

[@ramiroaguirre8092]

Came back to revisit this video after Romulus because it reminded me of this movie. God damn you guys look younger.

[@turnthonkee]

same, and they were noticeably more hopeful about movies in general lol

[@retroshack2960]

I disagree with the guys on this one, the movie was an incoherent mess and deserves all the criticism it has received. Good craft in the visuals etc is valueless if a movie is as bad as this in all other areas. Fassbender was OK but his character's actions were as contradictory and irrational as all the others.

[@sirequinox4874]

Almost nothing in this movie makes sense, and what does make sense is dull, cliche, and detracts from the mystery and appeal of the alien concept.

[@skittleenjoyer7]

Wow, can't wait to see this in theaters!!!

[@TenaciousZee]

Ha. Good one. :)

[@jigsaw117able]

+WDGcentral0224 Well hello there.

[@johng6565]

"That Damon Lindelof he uh, he uh, he he he knows how to write a movie". - Jeff Goldblum

[@danielmiller4279]

5:45 Tree of Life! I can't think of a movie that I've thought more consistently about years after seeing it only /once/ in the theater.

[@headlessspaceman5681]

Would you rather be pretty or smart? Ridley Scott: "Pretty. I can fake smart." Truly the dumbest "scientist" characters ever. The mapmaker gets lost. The biologist gets too close to the thing. Archaeologist disappointed by an elaborate tomb with writing on the walls. Spaceship captain doesn't see a storm coming until it's on top of them. Crew signs up for mission without knowing anything about it. Humans all ignore obviously-rogue android. A constellation painted by cavemen is an "invitation" to another solar system where there just happens to be a planet but the cavemen didn't know that. But... a constellation is an arbitrary grouping of stars from our POV on Earth, not an actual cluster of stars. Seven stars is actually seven different solar systems, so... what else can we learn from cavemen? WAS there REALLY a subtext about faith and religion? Or was it just some throwaway dialogue having nothing at all to do with the story?

[@jonnemesis11]

I honestly don't agree with the "believable environment" comment, the sets of the ship were nice but the look of the planet was clearly CGI and it wasn't that impressive visually.

[@kerrychristensen7204]

Very grey

[@KneelB4Bacon]

11:04 Mike, the answer to all your questions here is: Damon Lindelof.

[@daethalion1725]

I loved the premise and the concept behind Prometheus. I even liked that they were exploring more of the backstory of different kinds of aliens than the famous xenomorph. Where the film goes wrong for me is in the framing of the characters' reactions and decision-making process. After things start unwinding on the planet, it feels to me like almost all of the major story beats are pushed by people making the dumbest choices available to them as often as possible. Coming from a group of supposed top-of-their-field scientists and experienced crewmen, the breakdown into chaos just doesn't land well because it's so obviously forced.

[@jimbobeire]

"a group of supposed top-of-their-field scientists and experienced crewmen" Why did you assume that? Cos Weyland is rich enough to _afford_ to hire the best of the best? Well yes he is. But remember he was so paranoid and secretive about this that he a) pretended to be dead, and b) had Vickers hire the crew on the basis of 'take the money, ask no questions, we'll tell you when we get there' . The ' best of the best' have better job prospects than to sign up for a mystery mission of unknown risk. So, who took the offer? The bottom of the barrel, Janek, Milburn, Fifield, and the rest of the _Ship of Fools_ . To make it worse, they were led by a trillionaire grasping at straws to avoid death, and a relgiious fanatic who ignored caution, ignored any clues that didn't fit with what she 'chooses to believe'. Janek can fly a ship, but he is lazy and disinterested. Land over there? Sure, why not... no need to do a fly by, send a drone, or zoom in on that line of Domes... Cos if he _did_ they would have noticed a giant curved skull on the roof with a human skull face. They wouldn't know it's a Xeno skull, but it's the type of thing that would take some of the enthusiasm out of the 'lets rush in and open our presents' idea from Holloway. I actually thought that was an interesting line to take... in all previous Alien movies, someone has screwed over Ripley and her friends trying to get this thing as a potential bioweapon... so what if we show that the Xeno always _was_ a bioweapon, and then have a bunch of humans stumble across it, but they're too dumb to figure it out, and think they've found a benevolent race who created humans and might help us... rather than visiting Earth just to snatch up tribal humans as _raw material_ , and as breeding stock for slaves to do the dirty work in the lab. Prometheus is _Frankenstein_ In Space. In fact, the full title of Mary Shelley's 1818 book is "Frankenstein : The Modern Prometheus" Shaw even uses electricity to reanimate a dead head into thinking "It's alive" . I thought it was ambitious, but very flawed in execution. The characters were dumber and more annoying than they needed to be. Particularly the death of Milburn and Fifield, could have been set up as an ambush rather than petting the damned snake. I suspect they were trying to milk another mythological reference, of being enchanted / tempted by the serpent. They were already gilding the lily with having those two approach the altar... one with defective sight, and the other having tattoos and having shaved the hair of his temples. (Leviticus prohibits that, in 22:3 which could be the reason the writers picked the name LV 223 for this moon)

[@IvanKisaragi]

@@jimbobeire "yeah, what he said" - Ridley Scott probably

[@patrickthomas8890]

There were scenes cut and/or not filmed that explained how Charlize Theron’s character purposely hired an incompetent crew (aside from the bridge crew) to undermine the mission bc she resented her father and thought it was all ridiculous. Idris Elba’s character would’ve commented on how the scientists were basically idiots and she would’ve acknowledged it being true. Also explains why she was so cranky. Should’ve kept that stuff in…

[@MyManD]

Checking in from 2024 during Jay’s corrupt patrolman phase.

[@clintronnow264]

I couldn't choose to believe Prometheus was a good movie if I tried. There's just no evidence to support that claim.

[@nosferatu5]

Yeah, there were a few good ideas for a sci fi flick, but overall it’s just a mess, with awfully one dimensional cartoon characters acting stupid, and then it ends.

[@JosephDavies]

Clint: That's because you have to have faith! It doesn't matter if there's no evidence to support the claim! It's a good movie if you believe it's true. -- Dr. Shaw, probably

[@Komnen0s]

This movie _did_ deserve the criticism. The first half hour suckers you into think it's going to be interesting and have some pay-off, but then it ends up being a big convoluted non-story. That makes it worse than dumb action movies like Transformers because those at least don't pretend to be more than what they are. "Alien Covenant" showed that it ended up all being for nothing. None of the intriguing plot threads or symbols had any significance.

[@nikkyboy1067]

Since both make a strong connection to the myth of Prometheus, I wonder if the blue man group would have given the same answer to humanity as Dr. Frankenstein did to his own creation

[@dasbacon]

surprised they didn't mention Fassbender's performance. i loved him in the movie.

[@doubledoubleyou2838]

This is the first (and only) 'Half in the Bag' episode I've seen so far, where you imo completely missed the obvious elephant in the room: Some of the characters (especially the so-called "scientists") are acting in such a dumb way (thanks script) that I was immediately pushed out of the story. I was far too often thinking "WTF? Is that meant to be a parody or what?" to enjoy the great pictures ...

[@koanikal]

I'm glad you guys didn't hate it. Have felt like I'm the only one who likes it sometimes. It was definitely better than Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection

[@jonnya4209]

the very first scene spoils attempted big moments in the film: we know what they look like, so no shock at holograms, we know they're helmets so that's no revelation, and we know planted earth with their DNA - so the 100% DNA match moment which was supposed to be huge was more like 'Yes! we've known that for an hour now".

[@WolfataDoor]

6 seasons of Lost you hacks

[@robinc5274]

Wolfatadoor in fairness, Mike DID admit he never watched it. Jay on the other hand, was "BIG" into it, apparently, smh lmfao

[@siukong]

Didn't one of them get kind of split in two by the writers strike, though?

[@daz12345daz]

And they were all shite.

[@wedgewoodproductions7383]

23:05 from that point on. Still to this day, it's likely my favorite ending.

[@saraB94]

That song everytime they say something about the movie was hilarious.

[@jgmweston]

This episode has my favorite ending of any episode. And as mentioned, the BWAM Question Time is tremendous.

[@abstractalien12345]

Mad max fury road is the answer to the question of a director's return to a genre being good. Might have been after this was shot, though

[@jdtitan]

Best ending yet.

[@JaziB]

10:52 - One of my favourite HITB bits

[@stevesmith9447]

Seeing it for the first time and I'm crying! 🤣

[@Eddyoshi]

17:30 Wow watching this bit after their Last Jedi review makes their reaction to it even funnier.

[@Ocrilat]

The movie reeked of a lot of re-writes, and a lot a re-shoots, cobbled together in a way that didn't really fit.

[@CroPETROforeverNBA]

Guys is there any chance that you will some day review old classic movies? I love all of your reviews and I always watch your videos, I would really like to know (for example), what would you say for favorite movie to me: 2001 a Space Odyssey? Greets from Europe

[@Thegeobot]

This review goes againts every thing i heard from Mr Plinklett's Star Wars reviews, this movie is like the Phantom Menace of the Alien franchise, dumb characters, convoluted plot, bad writing, nonsensical decisions from the ''characters'', religious undertones, plot devices but no pay offs what so ever, no emotional connection with the audience, the tone is a complete mess, now the ''engineer'' or ''space jokey'' its meant to be space jesus, force tied in references to the original movie, characters know things ahead of time, like the fact they all are ready to meet their creators, but the only clue to think they will find gods is ancient civilization vestiges (hey! what's that over there, is that the script?) people break character constantly, like how scientists take their helmets off in an alien Atmosphere, biologist interacting with an alien monster snake like if it was a puppy.... and so on..... Just like Riddley Scott came back to the Alien franchise, i came back to this comment years after the fact, oh my god my gramar, im still working on it guys, but i stand by what i said, this movie looks great unlike the Phantom Menace, but Damon should never write a cript ever again.

[@Thegeobot]

Daniel Gray oh, yeah my bad xD

[@Menuki]

They also sidestep much of the stuff they criticized Terminator: Genesys for. Lazy obtuse plot

[@CarlSlime]

The way you criticise things tends to change over the course of three to four years of doing it.

[@Thegeobot]

gckbowers411 he was joking, i think

[@Thegeobot]

S̶u̶b̶t̶l̶e̶ ̶I̶n̶s̶a̶n̶i̶t̶y̶ kind of, but this is not the case, they were just too soft with this thing because back in the day they thought it was a somewhat smart and beautiful looking movie and cause they are not fans of the old Alien movies, i'm pretty shure that know they have stronger opinions about it, after all there is nothing smart about this, or they just don't care like with the Hobbit trilogy, we will see when the alien 5 and alien covenant movie hit the theater...

[@peteli4194]

The Sam Raimi "Drag Me To Hell" special effects clip had me in stitches 😂 EDIT: 20:02

[@FabulousResults]

To answer their question about directors who came back and were better than before: George Miller's Fury Road, for sure.

[@quietearthMT]

The ending of this video made a lot more sense than the script for Prometheus.

[@Ammoniumbicarbonat]

It bugs me a tiny bit that the technology in Prometheus doesn't have the same look as in the original Alien; that was one of my favourite things about the original!

[@Tine_of_Nice_Dreams]

mike and jay peeking over the edge of the dumpster is adorable and i appreciate them giving us this gift

[@BretGammons]

Believe me, Mike: You're much smarter than this movie. My overall reaction to Prometheus is a shrug. None of the plot developments or character decisions make any sense, but the visuals are sumptuous. Great filmmaking, terrible storytelling. A bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing. Too vapid to embrace, too gorgeous to dismiss. It's a uniquely pretty, stupid movie. Maybe Scott should have waited until he had a solid script to start filming. I personally believe that one cannot make a very good narrative film with a terrible script. (I recall the Half in the Bag crew saying something similar regarding Supergirl.) Also: While Prometheus may "feel" like science fiction, it strikes me as anti-science. The ancient artwork indicates aliens created humanity...because screenplay, I guess? For instance, like one character notes, and as Mike echoes, some paintings devoid of context maybe aren't enough evidence to abandon evolution and spend billions of dollars on a space adventure. Notice, too, that the intuition-driven Shaw replaces the logic-driven Ripley, whose counterpart Vickers is shown in a very negative light. To me, the honest trailer nailed it, and that's not something I think often.

[@jakepayne2985]

tommy aronson Enlighten us with “ur” utter “fken” brilliance. I’ll wait....

[@jakepayne2985]

tommy aronson Someone just liked my reply, so it brought me back to this. I’m still waiting...... who am I kidding though? You obviously don’t have the mental ability to respond anyway

[@sirdanielfortesque5812]

''Because screen play, I guess'' seriously? Prometheus is the first time you've seen or heard anything about the ET human origins interference theory? And at what point did they ''abandon evolution''? Like that's even a conscious choice one can make. Edit: now I see what you're trying to say; that if humans were seeded/created on Earth by ETs then accepting that fact would mean they ''abandon evolution''. Darwin's THEORY of evolution might get disregarded in that case but how would that stop the process of evolution?

[@92brunod]

@@sirdanielfortesque5812 why did you capitalize the word 'theory'?

[@voilvelev6775]

While I got annoyed at some things in Prometheus, you kinda sound like you werent paying attention. It was clear the Engineers created life on earth literally after their own image - they have the same DNA as humans, they are what humans will eventually evolve into. And how is this ''because screenplay''. Aliens starting life on other planets is a staple of the genre and this was a nice spin on it.

[@dabrams13]

that was probably the best part of the entire plinkett storyline

[@paulpasadena]

I'm a huge fan of Noomi Rapace and I was furious that she got shafted in Alien: Covenant.

[@JamesKlemm87]

She got shafted in Prometheus too. Bow chicka wow wow

[@michaelspencer7019]

You bastards, "that noise" made me jump out of my skin the first time 😂

[@danielstreb396]

That sound...is rough. Mission accomplished

[@alexmanenkoff565]

"The Aliens concept was so simple, there's a queen Alien and she lays eggs, eggs hatch and impregnate you" So the Alien queen lays eggs, the eggs create facehugers, those then impregnate peoples faces to make xenomorphs...but then all xenomorphs do is kill. Where is the cycle here and also that is very complex with double impregnation and eggs.

[@serristori]

To answer Mike's question at minute 20: Stanley Kubrick made Paths of Glory early in his career, then Full Metal Jacket towards the end.

[@ltjjenkins]

Paths a great great film

[@demonsty]

i love how the comments on RLM videos always span years

[@Karanagi]

That ending was amazing! Ironic, seeing as it's in a review of Prometheus.

[@NerfHerdsman]

I think both Prometheus and Covenant are like listening to a song that has a great chorus, great refrain, great build-up but a brown note for the chorus. It's because the rest of it is so good that you feel so let down. All they needed was for someone to come in after the initial drafts and step-by-step ensure every character makes logical decisions. The suspension of disbelief is ruined in each because the characters continually make decisions the audience can't reconcile.

[@thinrider]

David Lynch successfully returned to Twin Peaks, and 3rd season 25 years later was if not better than at least as good as the first two seasons.

[@patricksommer4376]

George Miller. Mad Max Fury Road.

[@willpowerbroken]

Nah, not really with Lynch

[@chintoki]

S3 wasn't as good as 1 and 2.