ORIGINAL UPLOAD DATE: June 11, 2012 Mike and Jay talk about the divisive new film Prometheus, Ridley Scott's kinda-sorta prequel to G.I. Jane.
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@floridtv2 жыл бұрын
struggling to wrap my head around the fact this was 10 years ago
@TheAnonymousIndividual Жыл бұрын
Yeah, man, time flies and it's sad. :/
@GeekMasterGames Жыл бұрын
Oh god we're all already dead
@matttheking1655 Жыл бұрын
😮 So True...
@CordellPotts Жыл бұрын
Time moves faster now.
@ronmexico6901 Жыл бұрын
Great movie
@SierraSierraFoxtrot4 жыл бұрын
"People saying it's the worst thing since the Phantom Menace" I want to go back to the time when we were all this naive.
@Genevasplaytime3 жыл бұрын
I loved this film. It was so mysterious and a great adventure. People are always spoilt brats who either give 10s or 1s. Now they are getting what they deserve 😁
@SierraSierraFoxtrot3 жыл бұрын
@@Genevasplaytime you can enjoy it, but it's a bad movie.
@Genevasplaytime3 жыл бұрын
@@SierraSierraFoxtrot Well comparatively speaking it isnt. If bad is a 4 and good is a 6 i would say this is a 7 or 8, and seeing as it is a 7 on imdb taken from 570k votes id say that the world agrees. Alien covenant however is a bad movie.
@SierraSierraFoxtrot3 жыл бұрын
@@Genevasplaytime that peopke don't know good from bad is not news.
@Genevasplaytime3 жыл бұрын
@@SierraSierraFoxtrot So what rating would you give it?
@IAmNumber40006 жыл бұрын
"I don't wanna be so quick to dismiss it. I'd like to give the movie more credit because Ridley Scott's a smart filmmaker" Look at how optimistic you guys were before Alien Covenant
@TheUltimateBastich5 жыл бұрын
The keyword is naive.
@benjaminkeith14174 жыл бұрын
Im happy this comment was found after the fact lol.
@elektrozil97283 жыл бұрын
@@sjz1925 11:45
@JigglePhysics30003 жыл бұрын
I don't know what video it's in, but just remembering that Ridley Scott quote on his director's cut of Bladerunner - and him putting in the footage of the unicorn - it's extremely funny that Jay would call him a 'smart filmmaker'.
@Eganweeds3 жыл бұрын
@@JigglePhysics3000 Filmmaker, not screenwriter lol. Ridley Scott makes extraordinarily confusing plot choices in almost all his films, however, his directing style is almost always consistently good. He makes great looking films, but stupid, inconsistent and misleading fucking screenplays.
@sandelic12 жыл бұрын
I knew when Theron said "we're half a billion miles from earth" that movie will not end making any sense.
@lorddevilfish58682 жыл бұрын
Why measure space in miles and not light years?
@jimbobeire2 жыл бұрын
@@lorddevilfish5868 Cos she doesn't care about space, she doesn't want to be in space. She's only there because of the conflict with her dad. Did you notice she doesn't take a single step off the ship until she has to eject?
@Edward-Not-Elric Жыл бұрын
I love that Prometheus takes place on Jupiter.
@DuckInAParticle9 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for Promethius Part Bwaaah. Going to answer so many questions, like "What is the significance of the Bwaaah sound?" and "If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound, and if so, is it Bwaaah?"
@weirdlingweirdo10583 жыл бұрын
@@TrueNubinator right, like the 2 said: no conclusions and only introduction of new ideas like Lost. RLM makes me glad that I didn't watch Lost but I'd watch Prometheus to see the closest thing to an ending. I don't mind if we are left with nothing like Children of Men but have an artistic reason not just intros to new ideas.
@ethanwelborn9 жыл бұрын
"There's a glitch!", "What do you mean, a glitch?" "It's reading life form", "What do you mean a life form?" "They're changing", "Changing into what?" "It's an invitation", "From whom?" "They're leaving", "To go where?" Manufactured drama is manufactured.
@Laizerdisk5 жыл бұрын
Psycho Mantis?
@Drilling4mana4 жыл бұрын
LIQUID!
@corruptofficial86384 жыл бұрын
A Red Spy is in the base!?
@TheTouristArrives4 жыл бұрын
Questions?!
@Antillles3 жыл бұрын
"They fly now?", "They fly now."
@rabasiticamphibian9 жыл бұрын
The film lost all believability When the scientists took their helmets off.
@KubeSquared8 жыл бұрын
I'm glad Jay found a look that works for him, cause the drunken hillbilly he's rocking here doesn't suit him.
@taylorkichu46835 жыл бұрын
@@RemixedVoice the biggest difference with Jay's appearance is he grew decent facial hair.
@Redmanticore4 жыл бұрын
paul, "just" started to be precise about hair and facial hair and started to go to gym and be precise about healthy eating. all in all takes actual effort when combined.
@RawkL0bster4 жыл бұрын
@Paul Johnson Wait, I do both of those regularly.
@PwnZombie4 жыл бұрын
We prefer ‘HillWilliam’ actually
@geoffreyhdavey3 жыл бұрын
Looking like the youngest Klopek.
@McLarenMercedes9 жыл бұрын
19:45 Well, it has now. George Miller's triumphant return to the very movies that made his name - Mad Max.
@weavehole9 жыл бұрын
Fuck you! I wanted to say that
@twoidiots98449 жыл бұрын
McLarenMercedes Gonna change your name to McLarenHonda now? Sad to see the team doing so poorly this season. Not gonna get better for them until the 2017 rule changes I don't think either.
@McLarenMercedes9 жыл бұрын
Two Idiots² My guess is McLarenHonda is already taken and it was McLarenMercedes for 20 rather successful years (78 wins). Yeah, they are humiliated now getting their asses kicked by everybody else despite having two champion drivers. George Lucas was at Silverstone btw. I wonder if he was giving Bernie Ecclestone any ideas how to run a business empire? Or maybe he's fascinated by the discovery that there actually is a real-life emperor Palpatine. :) Too many yes-men around both of them. Everything I know about the Star Wars prequals and George Lucas I learned from RedLetterMedia. Lucas at least had the decency to step down and sell SW to Disney. If there's no change soon I'll send Bernie some pizza rolls.
@twoidiots98449 жыл бұрын
McLarenMercedes Ha! I saw George in one of the garages during the race weekend too, I guessed he was probably in the Mercedes GP guest area. F1 was probably his inspiration for the Phantom Menace 'Pod Race'; Maldonado as Jar Jar Binks and Hamilton as the whiny young Anakin. I had actually never thought of Bernie as so similiar to the emperor, but they're so alike! Great comparison lol
@pennyzakrzewski84259 жыл бұрын
you guys forgot to mention X-men Days of Future Past
@D0NTST4RT8 жыл бұрын
It's funny how Prometheus supposedly tackles bigger themes than Alien. Alien really explores its themes in different ways with each movie. Prometheus establishes a whole lot of themes but really doesn't say much about anything. Just like Lost, a whole lot of build up for nothing.
@irllcd136 жыл бұрын
Prometheus is a stupid movie that thinks it's smart.
@JosephDavies3 жыл бұрын
@Adrijana Radosevic I agree, you pretty much nail it. One thing, though: "But... those are truckers transporting ore and materials. It's OK that they're dumb, do stupid shit, get unwilling and rebellious, and just wanna end this and go home." They really weren't all that stupid. They made decisions with very little knowledge and about things far outside their expertise or expectations, and honestly did fairly well. They were simply never going to survive that encounter once they breached protocol, and even that is only obvious in retrospect. It's hard to say how rare this kind of alien situation is in the universe because we see so little of it, but it seems safe to say it's completely unexpected. The really bad decisions in Alien are made _on purpose_ by someone with malicious (or at least indifferent) intent. Everyone else is left reacting. Prometheus, by contrast, has people making amateur mistakes, in their relative fields of expertise, which would be mistakes even if everything they encounter were no more unusual than what they're prepared for on Earth. That's what makes them stupid anti-scientists. If you ask a trucker what a "polymerase chain reaction" is and they don't know, that doesn't make them an idiot. If you ask a bio-chemist what "polymerase chain reaction" is and _they_ don't know, it probably _does_ make them an idiot. Likewise if I were to ask them both about the maximum load of space ore the Nostromo can hold, I expect the expertise to fall the other way. In Alien, no one on the Nostromo seemed ignorant of their jobs, in fact they attempted to use the ship's environment and its facilities to their advantage and one of them even managed to survive. That's a pretty good recommendation when the group of experts did no better than the space truckers, and in fact did far worse by putting themselves in harm's way at every opportunity. We see the crew of the Prometheus, as a direct result of ignoring their training and presumed knowledge, _create_ every threat to their lives in the film except the storm.
@KneelB4Bacon3 жыл бұрын
Lindelof is a sh*tty "Mystery Box" writer. Here's how "Mystery Box" writing works. This is how JJ/Lindelof write ALL their movies: 1) Raise several questions, including one "deep" question and several boring questions. 2) When the time comes in the story to answer the "deep" question: a) Answer the boring question instead. b) Don't answer the question at all. c) Postpone answering the question. ("A good question. For another time.") 3) Audience remembers that you raised the important question. Thinks that the movie was "deep." Forgets that you didn't answer it. 4) Repeat forever. 5) Profit. "Prometheus" is a perfect example of it. This movie sets up questions about faith and humanity's place in the universe. Faith is central to Shaw, the movie's main character, and it's clear that her character growth will revolve around the answer to that question. She is going to learn something on this trip that will either reinforce her beliefs or deeply shake them. When we finally meet the Engineer in the movie and see his violent reaction to humans, Shaw raises the obvious audience question: "Why do you hate us! Why do you want to kill us?" This is the answer the movie has been building up to from the beginning and it REALLY matters once we find out that the Engineer's ship contains bio-weapons meant for Earth. You finally meet your creators and learn that they want to KILL YOU. That's a profound, terrifying idea. A much more interesting idea that the one Lindelof come up with. But Lindelof didn't know how to answer that question (or he simply didn't care). So instead of getting the answer to the profound question, we get "Weyland wants more life" instead. I think that is so f*cking lazy and disappointing. And audiences fall for this bait-and-switch storytelling all the time. They think the movie was "deep" (because it asked a deep question) but they can't remember WHY it was deep (because that question was never answered).
@JosephDavies3 жыл бұрын
@@KneelB4Bacon Absolutely.
@KneelB4Bacon3 жыл бұрын
@@revalution1965 When your own creators show you that they want to KILL YOU, that's a question that has to be answered right now. Was creating humans a mistake? If so, why was it a mistake? They can't just say, "a good question, for another time" here. The whole movie has been building up to the answer to that question. You can fully answer those questions without turning the Engineer into an exposition dump during a single scene. Drop hints at several points during the movie that things are not going to go the way the crew of the Prometheus expect. But Lindelof was too lazy to do this, so instead of answering that question, he has Weyland give the Engineer his, "I created David so we are both like the Gods" speech, as if that was his plan all along. The Engineer responds by ripping David's head off and killing Weyland. Why? That makes no sense. If anything, the Engineer should be amused that this minimally-evolved monkey is try to tell him that they are both equals. It's no reason to wipe out an entire race. The Engineer is acting like he's responding to the original, unanswered question (you humans need to die and here's why). It's confusing as hell.
@RegretfulDeadMan8 жыл бұрын
The best thing Prometheus did was give is "The Prometheus School Of Running Away From Things"
@drumkidchaos8 жыл бұрын
and the crucial lesson of "if you meet strange space snake-penis-vagina creature, obviously you get close and try to play with it" also, *DING*
@akiuop1237 жыл бұрын
I don't know. I'd give him a half point deduction for referencing Cinema Sins. That channel is annoying.
@ehcmier7 жыл бұрын
You'd remove a sin?
@akiuop1237 жыл бұрын
Not sure I fully understand what you're asking, ehcmier. I'm just saying that, if we're playing by Xenovista's rules, I'd remove a half point for referencing Cinema Sins because I think that channel is annoying. Has nothing to do with removing "sins" from the movie itself.
@Novasky20075 жыл бұрын
It made more sense if you knew he was a poisonous snake handler but like everything vital to the plot it got edited out.
@Mega_Xenomorph4 жыл бұрын
14:31 very quick you might miss it, in the trailer footage, they just played the shot of the ship landing backward so it looks like it's taking off. If you play it at a slow speed you can see the pluses from the jets going up instead of down.
@swinny_6 жыл бұрын
its not complicated. its convoluted.
@SmokiestJoe5 жыл бұрын
Swinny amen
@dylanmartin91904 жыл бұрын
@@somercet1 We know these things, yes. But that happened on another planet... and we only know that the queen laid the eggs because of James Cameron's sequel. Not becase of stupid dumb dumb Ridley
@JosephDavies3 жыл бұрын
@sgt dornan He really does seem to subscribe to the school of thought where intentionally making something inconsistent so that it becomes an irresolvable mystery without a solution is "good" and legitimately "though-provoking". At least some portion of the audience is sufficiently impressed by this to agree, but I find it vacuously pretentious and more akin to the storytelling version of a con-man's shell game.
@nikkyboy10673 жыл бұрын
eh
@rollrcoastrbacon27253 жыл бұрын
As for Covenant, that’s just flat bad
@damiantreanor94685 жыл бұрын
Director who left a genre and nailed the return? Wes Craven. Did the original nightmare of elm street, then other directors slowly turned the series (and the genre) into crap, and he comes back and gets the whole scene going again with Scream.
@destroybot300011 ай бұрын
I’d argue he got it started back with New Nightmare. The movie is a little flawed, but it is definitely the progenitor for Scream. All the meta horror has its beginnings in New Nightmare.
@ElArto958 ай бұрын
Also George Miller with Mad Max: Fury Road
@joelsmith59388 ай бұрын
@@ElArto95 With none other than Charlize Theron!
@Scarzrman8889 жыл бұрын
"Well my initial thoughts after leaving the theatre was, 'where's the bathroom?'. My second thought was, ahhhhh (relief)" HAhahahahaaha
@welcomestranger11 ай бұрын
I'm disappointed there was absolutely no mention of the Prometheus School of Running in a Straight Line Away From Crashing Spaceships.
@darkpatches3 ай бұрын
Shaw ran to the side. Then the ship fell on her. This picture brought us the School of Nitpickers Who Are the Only People on the Planet Who Expect a Spaceship to Roll Instead of Crash.
@Cozza698 ай бұрын
I have watched this movie countless times. To this day I still do know wtf this movie is about
@WeirdSkellyK121 күн бұрын
Yet I enjoy it
@ajstman4 жыл бұрын
When they showed the trailer I couldn't tell if they added more of that sound clip or if that's just the way the trailer was it got me cracking up
@muthesquirrel8 жыл бұрын
19:45 And not long after they said this Mad Max: Fury Road came out.
@SumDumGy5 жыл бұрын
That’s okay. Stallone had already pulled it off twice.
@MrBoombastic19045 жыл бұрын
Jay recommends a movie Clip of the movie starts.."I was born with 7 clits" Me: Yep, not surprised Jay recommended this one.
@OWnIshiiTrolling9 жыл бұрын
You could also have mentioned the following questionable things: - Two archaeologists (I assume that's what they were) want to fly through the universe for two years. They get funding. When asked for any evidence for their thesis, they admit they have none. Their shit gets funded based on "I BELIEEEEEEVE". They present absolutely nothing, and admit that they have nothing. - One of the guys who is first to get killed claims to be a geologist. He's on a planet that nobody has ever been on before. He says he loves rocks. He doesn't even bother to look at anything, at all. ever. He is surrounded by rocks and does nothing. As a geologist. Who is surrounded by rocks on a foreign planet. - They date the death of one of the human alien things using a radiocarbon dating method. It is astounding that they at least managed to have the characters say an age that is consistent with this method. But unfortunately, carbon dating does not produce unambiguous results, and it does not work on foreign planets of which they know basically nothing. Their result of the time of death is complete garbage and has no value at all. - The guy who gets the black goo in his drink and then changes into some weird thing gets set on fire. This does not kill him, he just stands back up and starts to fuck shit up. They set him on fire again. This time it magically kills him, or he just doesn't feel like getting up again. - The biologist doesn't give two shits about an alien. The biologist. Who studies life. Doesn't care about an alien life form. - The geologist and the biologist get lost. They don't ask the guy with the map and their location on that map for directions. They just go with it. Because the plot required their deaths. They read the script and knew that they had to stay there and die. The person who came up with those ideas clearly has no science background. And yet he didn't even bother to ask someone who does how anything at all even works. And he doesn't even know what geologists do. Or what biologists do. Some characters in this movie are horrible, and some of the things they do show that absolutely no effort was made to make their actions consistent with who they are and what their supposed profession is. But I still think the movie is ok, it looked nice and was entertaining.
@jrd334 жыл бұрын
Exactly. If you are making a war movie, you have to have actors who can act like soldiers or it just doesn't work. This is a movie about scientists who don't act at all like scientists.
@johnconner94854 жыл бұрын
This film is so bad its funny and depressing at the same time.
@JosephDavies3 жыл бұрын
"The person who came up with those ideas" was Damon Lindelof. If you read the original script before they brought him in to Script Doctor the whole thing (Script Doctor Kevorkian would be more accurate), no one was _this_ stupid. Characters had motivations, and made only a few mistakes. It was a fairly ordinary script, but it wasn't _boneheaded_ with a grudge against scientists and basic epistemology. The problem apparently was that it tied directly into Alien as a prequel, and at some point they decided to file off the planet designation and change the alien mutations so that nothing lines up (even though it still does, making it into a weird case of things being suspiciously similar for no in-universe reason), and while he was at it he massacred the rest. We never see any of these top men and women in their fields be good at their jobs, we only see them fail, and in trivial ways. So when they fail, it doesn't seem like they were unprepared for an astonishing situation, it feels like they all failed upward into their positions and were too Dunning-Kruegered to notice. But the movie insists that this isn't the case and that they're brilliant people, so instead of telling an interesting story about flawed people, the script is lying to us and constantly kicking down the fourth wall to get to the next plot point on the other side. And the worst part is the Lindelof appears to believes his own tripe. Both in defense of this and other scripts he's ruined, he claims that these flaws, plotholes, character mishandlings, and downright lazy storytelling leave things up to the audience to fill in the blanks and makes it _good_ by being poor. It's the old "my art isn't bad, it's just too smart for everyone but me!" excuse. He doesn't leave questions to make people think, people are left questioning it because he left obvious holes that don't make sense to be left unfilled. At best, his view is a very pragmatic one (like Alex Kurtzman's): that any kind of success is sufficient to justify the work. He intentionally wrecks a script because it causes a meta-discussion about the work and he views _that_ as a success, not whether people are enjoying the work itself. That's a Hollywood version of the social media "engagement" metric of success...
@nikkyboy10673 жыл бұрын
... Eh
@avatar66993 жыл бұрын
"I don't wanna be so quick to dismiss it. I'd like to give the movie more credit because Ridley Scott's a smart filmmaker" He says after watching a beautiful world setting in which 'Scientists' take off their helmets after being on an alien world for less than 15mins, all while playing with the local wildlife that resemble cobras...
@Zodroo_Tint3 жыл бұрын
Prometheus is undefendable but Ridley Scott was defendable till the Covenant came out. I would not try to deffend Prometheus because I think this movie is a terrible sci-fi, but the guy is more like a horror guy than a sci-fi guy. He likes some weird shit what very few people like.
@gumbiman33508 жыл бұрын
As usual Michael Fassbender is the best thing about it. Fucking awesome actor.
@gumbiman33508 жыл бұрын
Arvin Nassiri Plus he's hot.
@brotherbisquick8 жыл бұрын
More like Michael Slowstraightener
@gumbiman33508 жыл бұрын
Steven Loving ???
@TheTrueChuster8 жыл бұрын
Are you guys talking about Mouth Flushxander?
@retrogore4207 жыл бұрын
Gotta agree here. I love Mitchell Foxhounder.
@SimonThorntonVideo8 жыл бұрын
Why are they in Plinkett's house? None of this makes sense. These hacks are just as bad Ridley Scott!
@CaptWesStarwind5 жыл бұрын
@@JediBunny lol So he is like Ridley Scott.
@SeekerSean6 жыл бұрын
When they talk about seeing the next movie for answers for Prometheus, all I can think about is the clip of Mike just saying no over and over again to Josh in that episode of Best of the Worst...lol
@jupiterkansas9 жыл бұрын
You two were very kind to Prometheus.
@atmosdwagon46568 жыл бұрын
The top-down biggest failing for this movie was its premise: answering the questions posed by the other Aliens movies (at least; the good ones). Yes, lets ruin the mystique and terror caused by the unknown (you might say *alien*) nature of the xenomorphs. Ridley Scott wanted to make another sci-fi movie, a REAL sci-fi movie that makes you think. And Prometheus did make me think...unfortunately, the more I thought about it, the more I realized how bad the story is. There are deeper themes connected to many scenes in the movie...it's just all this other stuff that makes the characters out as unbelievably stupid.
@bencarlson43003 жыл бұрын
If I were to remake this film, I would cut out most of the characters, make David the main character, and hammer home the themes of “having a soul” and “meeting your creator” with more dialogue between David and HIS creator. Maybe David even turns on his creator after talking with the Engineer and learning why they want to destroy humanity. Conceptually, this movie fascinates me, but in execution, it’s very weak.
@jimbobeire3 жыл бұрын
The 'meeting the creator' thing has been overdone in sci fi. What I found interesting is that the movie set it up that Shaw was 100% sure that she'd stumbled onto a way to find our creators, but the evidence doesn't back it up. I was hoping that _Covenant_ would reveal how wrong she was, but _Covenant_ just ran back to the mediocrity of a standard 'dumb crew killed by monster' and even had it ejected into space at the end just like _Alien_ , _Aliens_ , and _Alien Resurrection_ .
@nicholasvinen2 жыл бұрын
It would have been cool if the creators were kind of friendly and questioning the humans (albeit with worrying discoveries by the humans while this happens, like biological weapons being developed). At the same time, the humans are trying to get answers to their questions but the creators only give cryptic answers and want to know more about life on Earth before they give more details. Then, the more the creators find out about life on Earth (religious wars etc) they decide that they made a mistake and secretly try to launch a fleet to destroy Earth. Somehow the humans find out but they are split as to whether they need to convince the creators they are wrong or violently stop them.
@nicholasvinen2 жыл бұрын
I had some further thoughts about this in the shower that flesh it out into a more or less complete story. Let's say early on after they land, they discover that snake monster and grab it for analysis (they later figure out it's a genetically engineered weapon, possibly in a horrible way). They also notice a large number of casks that don't seem to have moved in decades. One is broken with a snake sizes hole and markings make it seem likely these cannisters store the weapons for later activation. Some of the cannisters are larger. Later on, after talks with the engineer break down somewhat, they notice the casks are gone. They try to surreptitiously figure out where and trace them to a cave complex. They find a space ship launching complex in there, with the ships obviously loaded with the cannisters. The humans argue. Some try to go back to the engineer, say they know what is going on and it isn't right to launch those weapons on billions of mostly innocent people. A villain speech ensues, followed by a fight. The engineer seems defeated and spills the beans, revealing it was a rogue engineer (zealot?) who stole genetic material and sacrificed himself on Earth to start life there. The cave drawings were a warning, not an invitation. The engineer then managed to get up and kill/subdue the humans. The others realise they haven't come back, something is going down and plan an assault to take out the ships, cobbling up whatever they can to use as weapons. They go to the cave and are met by multiple armoured engineers. Epic fight ensues, the engineers are defeated but most of the humans are dead or disabled. The remainder carry on into the cave. They find the ship preparing to take off with the earlier engineer on board. Their weapons can't scratch the ship. One of them reveals he/she actually lied about their background to get onto the mission. They are actually a hacker. They manage to connect to an umbilical cord going to the ship with a fibre optic cable. Sniffing the data, they see it's mostly garbage but there is a repeating pattern. They try to plot the numbers in various ways on a 3D field and realise it's a map to Earth. They can't just put garbage since the engineer will realise, so instead they change it to a planet far from Earth where they figure it won't do harm. They sneak out and see the ship take off. The few humans left bug out but are not sure they can find their way back to Earth since the navigator is dead but they'll try. The engineer's ship destination - the planet from Alien. End movie.
@NoriMori1992 Жыл бұрын
The movie doesn't even fascinate me conceptually. I can't think of an interesting idea it brought to mind or an interesting question it posed. And frankly, even if I could, when a movie is this bad I don't really care about what it has to say anyway.
@RuneForumwalker8 жыл бұрын
19:33 George Miller and Mad Max is the example Jay is thinking of.
@Swarm5098 жыл бұрын
Came to make that exact comment, and they make a similar one in the Fury Road review. He mastered what he started with decades ago.
@RuneForumwalker8 жыл бұрын
To be honest I wasn't that thrilled with Fury Road. It's still probably better than the first and third movies though. It's just it will never touch Road Warrior in my heart and mind.
@mephilatian8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but this review was before Fury Road. Can you think of any other directors pre-Fury Road?
@RuneForumwalker8 жыл бұрын
Solid point. There definitely isn't an example for that movie.
@TheSingularitarian8 жыл бұрын
☆☆☆☆☆
@AHersheyHere5 жыл бұрын
I did hate how the “professionals” acted like tourists, the one guy taking off his helmet, sure, but no one else should’ve. There should’ve been talk about decontamination. Why did the two people who left early, the geologist and biologist, are the ones who got left behind? If you don’t have good characters, the rest of the movie will suffer for it.
@MavenCree7 жыл бұрын
It's the most beautiful piece of crap ever put on film.
@night19525 жыл бұрын
@@idrinkmilk282 He didn't call it "the worst movie" just a piece of crap, which it is. Of course there are worse movies, but it's a gold plated turd.
@themysteriouscatperson94834 жыл бұрын
I Drink Milk Can you even read?!
@serristori3 жыл бұрын
To answer Mike's question at minute 20: Stanley Kubrick made Paths of Glory early in his career, then Full Metal Jacket towards the end.
@ltjjenkins2 ай бұрын
Paths a great great film
@TheAdditionalPylons9 жыл бұрын
My main issue with this movie was the foolish behavior of so many supposedly intelligent characters. lets touch this dangerous looking alien snake thing, lets take off our helmets on an alien planet because unnecesary risks are cool, lets not run out of the path of something thats about to crush us, ect. So many things happen based on the behavior of characters without a lick of common sense. The writer of the script needs to be told that thats not a good way to advance the plot effectively.
@allendulles2481 Жыл бұрын
Extrapolate how dumbed-down stupid, naive and sheltered future generations would become. Think late millennials and gen Z. A LOT of them would act like that NOW. So you gotta figure it would only get worse in the future, presuming the Society hadn't collapsed.
@vallytine6 жыл бұрын
alien covenant makes this movie look like citizen fucking kane
@Mortikaye8 жыл бұрын
I remember bursting out laughing during the musical locking system scene, just because it was so incongruent to the overall tone.
@DoughboyJonesmk28 жыл бұрын
My quarrel with this movie wasn't how it explained the xenomorph origins so much as the fact that it tried to explain them at all. Without writing a book, I always felt the mysteriousness and lack of explanation of the creatures made them much scarier and it was more fun letting your imagination run wild as to things like: Who the space jockey was and why he crashed on LV-426; Why the aliens were on the ship; where the aliens came from in the first place, etc. rather than flat out saying "Oh, it's a giant blue guy in a suit and they more or less made them and as an added bonus: they hate humans for no apparent reason.' I agree that it's a visually impressive movie and it's fun to watch in that aspect but the way everything plays out was simply unsatisfying to me. I would be more than willing to watch a sequel that (hopefully) does offer some actual answers, though.
@Horatio7874 жыл бұрын
Tell me, what'd you get out of Alien Covenant? I heard they basically threw all the answers in the garbage.
@GeorgeMonet2 жыл бұрын
For me it just seemed like the Aliens evolved naturally on their world. The last mother laid some eggs to incubate during a period of low food availability to reemerge during the next cycle on the planet when food would be more prevalent.
@RaviBMaharaj9 жыл бұрын
RedLetterMedia a director who made a successful film in a series and returned to it with even more success was Martin Campbell in the James Bond franchise. Both Goldeneye, the first one for Pierce Brosnan, and Casino Royale, the first one for Daniel Craig, were critical and box office sucesses that helped reboot the film series during some low points in their history.
@Darrylizer14 жыл бұрын
Ah Prometheus. The most beautiful sculpture in the world, made of human feces.
@Genevasplaytime3 жыл бұрын
Faeces*
@daethalion17253 жыл бұрын
I loved the premise and the concept behind Prometheus. I even liked that they were exploring more of the backstory of different kinds of aliens than the famous xenomorph. Where the film goes wrong for me is in the framing of the characters' reactions and decision-making process. After things start unwinding on the planet, it feels to me like almost all of the major story beats are pushed by people making the dumbest choices available to them as often as possible. Coming from a group of supposed top-of-their-field scientists and experienced crewmen, the breakdown into chaos just doesn't land well because it's so obviously forced.
@jimbobeire3 жыл бұрын
"a group of supposed top-of-their-field scientists and experienced crewmen" Why did you assume that? Cos Weyland is rich enough to _afford_ to hire the best of the best? Well yes he is. But remember he was so paranoid and secretive about this that he a) pretended to be dead, and b) had Vickers hire the crew on the basis of 'take the money, ask no questions, we'll tell you when we get there' . The ' best of the best' have better job prospects than to sign up for a mystery mission of unknown risk. So, who took the offer? The bottom of the barrel, Janek, Milburn, Fifield, and the rest of the _Ship of Fools_ . To make it worse, they were led by a trillionaire grasping at straws to avoid death, and a relgiious fanatic who ignored caution, ignored any clues that didn't fit with what she 'chooses to believe'. Janek can fly a ship, but he is lazy and disinterested. Land over there? Sure, why not... no need to do a fly by, send a drone, or zoom in on that line of Domes... Cos if he _did_ they would have noticed a giant curved skull on the roof with a human skull face. They wouldn't know it's a Xeno skull, but it's the type of thing that would take some of the enthusiasm out of the 'lets rush in and open our presents' idea from Holloway. I actually thought that was an interesting line to take... in all previous Alien movies, someone has screwed over Ripley and her friends trying to get this thing as a potential bioweapon... so what if we show that the Xeno always _was_ a bioweapon, and then have a bunch of humans stumble across it, but they're too dumb to figure it out, and think they've found a benevolent race who created humans and might help us... rather than visiting Earth just to snatch up tribal humans as _raw material_ , and as breeding stock for slaves to do the dirty work in the lab. Prometheus is _Frankenstein_ In Space. In fact, the full title of Mary Shelley's 1818 book is "Frankenstein : The Modern Prometheus" Shaw even uses electricity to reanimate a dead head into thinking "It's alive" . I thought it was ambitious, but very flawed in execution. The characters were dumber and more annoying than they needed to be. Particularly the death of Milburn and Fifield, could have been set up as an ambush rather than petting the damned snake. I suspect they were trying to milk another mythological reference, of being enchanted / tempted by the serpent. They were already gilding the lily with having those two approach the altar... one with defective sight, and the other having tattoos and having shaved the hair of his temples. (Leviticus prohibits that, in 22:3 which could be the reason the writers picked the name LV 223 for this moon)
@IvanKisaragi Жыл бұрын
@@jimbobeire "yeah, what he said" - Ridley Scott probably
@patrickthomas8890 Жыл бұрын
There were scenes cut and/or not filmed that explained how Charlize Theron’s character purposely hired an incompetent crew (aside from the bridge crew) to undermine the mission bc she resented her father and thought it was all ridiculous. Idris Elba’s character would’ve commented on how the scientists were basically idiots and she would’ve acknowledged it being true. Also explains why she was so cranky. Should’ve kept that stuff in…
@davidanderson8989 Жыл бұрын
This was Jay's awkward phase
@johdousha9 жыл бұрын
In honour of Ridley Scott's sort-of prequel to Alien, I supply a sort-of answer to Jay's question at about 19:14 - "Has there ever been a filmmaker who successfully returned to a genre s/he had been successful in as a young director?" John Frankenheimer's 1998 Ronin is a kick-ass car-chase film, and I think the last time he'd filmed a car chase was in the '60s (in the very successful 1966 film Grand Prix, at least). Could also say he was a multi-generational success in the genre of crime-thriller-with-amazing-chase-scene-set-in-Marseilles. He directed The French Connection II in 1975 and, again, Ronin in 1998 (pretty much his only two big movie successes in that 23-year period).
@jupiterkansas9 жыл бұрын
John Shafer Even better was Charles Crichton coming back with the heist comedy A Fish Called Wanda 37 years after The Lavender Hill Mob.
@jeanlucdiscard3 жыл бұрын
"Why was it a guy in old man makeup?" No literally, why was it Guy (Pierce) in old man makeup?
@jetydosa13 жыл бұрын
watching the movie, I thought the same thing. Why not just have an old man do the part?
@channelbrookes3 жыл бұрын
Especially when Peter O'Toole was still alive at the time. He'd make a perfectly good old Guy Pearce.
@flusterdouglas93265 жыл бұрын
This is such a great episode. That ending, 10/10.
@quicksandbuddy2 күн бұрын
Watched Prometheus over the weekend for the first time since I saw it in theaters and I was blown away by how gorgeous it is, just like I was when I first saw it. Even in 2024, I can still confidently say that it's one of the most visually beautiful movies I've ever seen.
@marcespinoza60682 ай бұрын
Jay simping for Prometheus
@Griffin1171-love-you-all9 жыл бұрын
17:28 This is all kind of ironic considering that they created the Mr. Plinkett reviews.
@yhwatevaman90029 жыл бұрын
+James Brincefield double fail
@ulyssesvaughan78169 жыл бұрын
+Griffin1171 I think Mike realized that in his response.
@tessiof9 жыл бұрын
19:12, George Miller returned to a franchise many years after.. and it was awesome!
@abstractalien123452 жыл бұрын
Mad max fury road is the answer to the question of a director's return to a genre being good. Might have been after this was shot, though
@stvbrsn5 жыл бұрын
16:52 “...Star Trek ran out of gas...” Mike, don’t you mean “ran out of dilithiun crystals? Uh, ok. Sorry.
@JosephDavies3 жыл бұрын
No, the correct analogy to gasoline, as a fuel, would be deuterium or tritium. The dilithium crystals are more like the spark plugs, or perhaps an alternator; they regulate the matter/antimatter reaction which powers the ship, but aren't the source of the power itself... Uh, sorry.
@Aeis_Kalt3 жыл бұрын
If Ridley Scott is so fucking smart, let me ask you this, because I can't answer it, and Scott probably won't. IF Prometheus is supposed to be a prequel to Alien, and Aliens, why does the tech, and ships, look more advanced than the ships, and tech, in Alien, or Aliens? There is only one sequel that makes any sense to be linked to the first 2 movies, and it's a fucking video game called Alien: Isolation.
@ZachFett2 жыл бұрын
Ridley Scott tried answering this in the past, he claims the reason the Prometheus ship has such advanced tech is because this is Weyland's personal project that he put a shit load of money into, while the Nostromo in Alien was just a cheap tug boat, basically. But that still doesn't make sense, since it takes place 88 years before Aliens, so why does that tech not even exist in a huge military ship? The military would definitely have that tech almost a century later. The real answer is simply that Ridley Scott changes his mind constantly and he doesn't care about plot holes.
@BlackWolf-el3gu2 жыл бұрын
Because alien was made in the 70s and aliens was made in the 80s… There did I answer your question.
@Aeis_Kalt2 жыл бұрын
@@BlackWolf-el3gu no, it didn't. I know the answer. Scott is kind of a dumbass as it pertains to how his ships should look. period.
@TofuPetteri Жыл бұрын
I guess they thought that if they'd make a movie that looks like it was made in the 60's people wouldn't like to look at it on our modern age.
@danielstreb3969 жыл бұрын
That sound...is rough. Mission accomplished
@kidneystonermusic3 жыл бұрын
All I remember is so much cgi they run in straight lines everywhere because there's no set.
@jgmweston9 жыл бұрын
This episode has my favorite ending of any episode. And as mentioned, the BWAM Question Time is tremendous.
@JaziB9 жыл бұрын
10:52 - One of my favourite HITB bits
@stevesmith94474 жыл бұрын
Seeing it for the first time and I'm crying! 🤣
@garretteverett26138 жыл бұрын
I really liked Prometheus but the huge amount of unanswered questions that you guys bring up is right on the nose. In retrospect, it reminds me a lot of the original Evil Dead - the first half is a great setup with regards to aesthetics, atmosphere, world-building, characters, plot etc. and then the last half is basically just "How many different f-ed up monster effects can we cram in here! Woo!"
@MarkCodyDirtAndMingle9 жыл бұрын
A load of reviews I haven't seen yet! :) Great! Thanks lads; you're the most interesting and incisive reviewers on the planet :)
@WDGcentral02249 жыл бұрын
Wow, can't wait to see this in theaters!!!
@TheAmazingTenaciousZ9 жыл бұрын
Ha. Good one. :)
@jigsaw117able8 жыл бұрын
+WDGcentral0224 Well hello there.
@saraB946 жыл бұрын
That song everytime they say something about the movie was hilarious.
@paulpasadena3 жыл бұрын
I'm a huge fan of Noomi Rapace and I was furious that she got shafted in Alien: Covenant.
@JamesKlemm872 жыл бұрын
She got shafted in Prometheus too. Bow chicka wow wow
@andreac.20324 жыл бұрын
19:44 There is an answer, Mad Max: Furious road and its director.
@Cbricklyne4 жыл бұрын
"Fury" Road. ....though I'm sure the spin-off movie "Furios(a) Road " would be great as well.
@danielmiller42798 жыл бұрын
5:45 Tree of Life! I can't think of a movie that I've thought more consistently about years after seeing it only /once/ in the theater.
@BovineDesigns Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing the website for this movie and being super excited thinking it was going to be a Greek mythology movie. And then I was horribly disappointed.
@nikkyboy10673 жыл бұрын
Since both make a strong connection to the myth of Prometheus, I wonder if the blue man group would have given the same answer to humanity as Dr. Frankenstein did to his own creation
@waynesWyrdWorld8 жыл бұрын
I've watched Prometheus 5 times now in an effort to appreciate it more, but I just can't seem to enjoy it. It comes across as trying desperately to seem smart, tense and with an undertone of deep meaning, whereas it lacks any redeeming originality, has cardboard cutout characters (Fassbender aside), and wimps out instead of embracing the visceral.
@old3nglish_2347 жыл бұрын
Just watch it 5 more times and maybe you'll finally understand the genius of ridley scott's vision.
@waynesWyrdWorld7 жыл бұрын
old3nglish _ yyyyyyyyyyyeah.... I could watch it five more times... I could...
@Egzvorg7 жыл бұрын
feels good to be stupid
@cappygolucky5 жыл бұрын
Relax for a start
@michaelspencer70195 жыл бұрын
You bastards, "that noise" made me jump out of my skin the first time 😂
@cyborgoftheyear2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you guys didn't hate it. Have felt like I'm the only one who likes it sometimes. It was definitely better than Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection
@friday13michael2 жыл бұрын
Everyone hated Prometheus for being unique and now everyone hates Alien Covenant for being more of the same.
@Name-se3lf2 жыл бұрын
Prometheus wasn't that unique and Covenant was a laughable and lazy attempt at being more of the same, that's the real issue. Both films failed at the scripts.
@jdtitan7 жыл бұрын
Best ending yet.
@Eddyoshi5 жыл бұрын
17:30 Wow watching this bit after their Last Jedi review makes their reaction to it even funnier.
@peteli41943 жыл бұрын
The Sam Raimi "Drag Me To Hell" special effects clip had me in stitches 😂 EDIT: 20:02
@LP-lj9ig4 жыл бұрын
Scorcese coming back to gangster flicks with The Irishman was a triumphant return.
@CatMandiano3 жыл бұрын
That movie was bottom of the barrel trash. Everyone associated with the movie was lowered as a result.
@marthastubbs83212 ай бұрын
@@CatMandianoit was great
@Gentlemenpickleesq.2 жыл бұрын
What I think is a crime is how people hated prometheus but loved covenant...
@wedgewoodproductions73839 жыл бұрын
23:05 from that point on. Still to this day, it's likely my favorite ending.
@jonnya42098 жыл бұрын
the very first scene spoils attempted big moments in the film: we know what they look like, so no shock at holograms, we know they're helmets so that's no revelation, and we know planted earth with their DNA - so the 100% DNA match moment which was supposed to be huge was more like 'Yes! we've known that for an hour now".
@quietearthMT2 жыл бұрын
The ending of this video made a lot more sense than the script for Prometheus.
@user-ym2kq4is3i7 жыл бұрын
I really can't wait for Prometheus 2
@FabulousResults3 жыл бұрын
To answer their question about directors who came back and were better than before: George Miller's Fury Road, for sure.
@dirktheodale70662 жыл бұрын
My god this needs a Re:View !!
@insanelyheinousbeefer4 жыл бұрын
its crazy coming back to old stuff like this, and seeing that glimmer of faint energy and something resembling joy in mike's affect
@NerfHerdsman5 жыл бұрын
I think both Prometheus and Covenant are like listening to a song that has a great chorus, great refrain, great build-up but a brown note for the chorus. It's because the rest of it is so good that you feel so let down. All they needed was for someone to come in after the initial drafts and step-by-step ensure every character makes logical decisions. The suspension of disbelief is ruined in each because the characters continually make decisions the audience can't reconcile.
@Tine_of_Nice_Dreams5 жыл бұрын
mike and jay peeking over the edge of the dumpster is adorable and i appreciate them giving us this gift
@Rocketboy13134 жыл бұрын
It is fun to end up years later seeing Jay say things like, "I was too kind to Prometheus".
@JosephDavies3 жыл бұрын
Where did he say that? The Covenant video?
@Rocketboy13133 жыл бұрын
@@JosephDavies In one of the trillions of hours of PReviously Recorded streams he was in.
@JosephDavies3 жыл бұрын
@@Rocketboy1313 Ah, thanks.
@aussie4life058 жыл бұрын
Never seen an Alien movie, watched Prometheus tonight and enjoyed it.
@ZylonBane8 жыл бұрын
+aussie4life05 Congratulations. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
@Furzkampfbomber7 жыл бұрын
_"It's not Battleship"_ Well, I have enjoyed this movie a lot for what it was. I actually had more fun watching Battleship than watching Prometheus, which pretended to be somehow scientifically accurate and yet made no sense whatsoever. Battleship at least is honest. We are the good guys, the aliens are the bad guys, let's brake their faces. With a battlecruiser.
@KneelB4Bacon8 жыл бұрын
11:04 Mike, the answer to all your questions here is: Damon Lindelof.
@mr.esaysfu58699 жыл бұрын
U gotta mention Charlize's death scene if ur gonna mention Noomi's surgery scene. That sheeit had me laughing for days and to me became sadly emblematic of this movie. I mean, come on... if a giant hamster wheel of a spaceship was (t)rolling behind u and threatened to squish u would u a) veer left b) veer right or c) keep going in a straight line, then trip, then crawl on ur ass for a few seconds, then raise ur hand to ur face and scream "HwAAaaaaAAA"? Hey, u got 2 out of 3 chances of getting it right, 66% chance to survive Ms. Space Charlize and then Im supposed to finish this film going "yea, next one they'll iron out all the kinks"? Well lets fucking hope so...
@MrCorrectify9 жыл бұрын
+Mr. EsaysFU The surgery scene, the exploding resurrected head scene, the rolling ship scene...you could seriously convince me that this was a Sam Ramie film.
@pedjanedeljkovic70215 ай бұрын
Gotta love that Top Cat ending 😆
@WolfataDoor7 жыл бұрын
6 seasons of Lost you hacks
@robinc52746 жыл бұрын
Wolfatadoor in fairness, Mike DID admit he never watched it. Jay on the other hand, was "BIG" into it, apparently, smh lmfao
@siukong5 жыл бұрын
Didn't one of them get kind of split in two by the writers strike, though?
@daz12345daz4 жыл бұрын
And they were all shite.
@seagsnipes35318 жыл бұрын
That was a good Shatner impression.
@clintronnow2649 жыл бұрын
I couldn't choose to believe Prometheus was a good movie if I tried. There's just no evidence to support that claim.
@nosferatu54 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there were a few good ideas for a sci fi flick, but overall it’s just a mess, with awfully one dimensional cartoon characters acting stupid, and then it ends.
@JosephDavies3 жыл бұрын
Clint: That's because you have to have faith! It doesn't matter if there's no evidence to support the claim! It's a good movie if you believe it's true. -- Dr. Shaw, probably
@Karanagi9 жыл бұрын
That ending was amazing! Ironic, seeing as it's in a review of Prometheus.
@helenwaldeck1854 жыл бұрын
I love your reviews guys, so fun and funny lol
@thomasclowater94717 жыл бұрын
Best ending ever 10/10
@RobTunes10 ай бұрын
I love how much the RLM Bois love film. It’s so apparent in everything that they do! It’s a beautiful thing All that being said, their good faith and optimism were so woefully misplaced here 😛
@cappygolucky5 жыл бұрын
My fav movie of 2012
@thinrider3 жыл бұрын
David Lynch successfully returned to Twin Peaks, and 3rd season 25 years later was if not better than at least as good as the first two seasons.
@patricksommer43762 жыл бұрын
George Miller. Mad Max Fury Road.
@willpowerbroken2 жыл бұрын
Nah, not really with Lynch
@chintoki Жыл бұрын
S3 wasn't as good as 1 and 2.
@MegaZeta7 жыл бұрын
They seem to be really struggling to find reasons to like this movie
@randomhereoh2 жыл бұрын
This is the only movie I’ve ever fell asleep to in the theater
@KafkaMike714 жыл бұрын
George Miller - Mad Max Fury Road is the only answer to your question near the end of the clip. I realize I am year too late. But, still.
@dabrams136 жыл бұрын
that was probably the best part of the entire plinkett storyline