[PS3] [PS4] Hatsune Miku Project DIVA F 2nd vs FT (1080p/60f)

[@bobinewg]

Long time passed after upload. But thanks for watching this video. The song list has been updated. =Song List= 00:00 Pinky Swear 00:33 Miracle Paint 01:04 Black Jack 01:37 SPiCa 02:07 Two Faced Lovers 02:29 Envy Catwalk 02:52 This is the Happiness and Peace of Mind Committee 03:12 Two Breaths Walking 03:46 Thousand Year Solo 03:55 Hello, Worker

[@rattrott4536]

i wish these games could like fuse together because i love the look of ft when it comes to characters but F2nd has amazing coloring that i adore

[@meisded4lyfe]

Good idea!!

[@usodarou]

@@meisded4lyfe also 60fps and comes on pc too! Playing on ps4 sucks since i hate using controllers :/

[@vio3533]

there's actually gonna be a ps3 mod for it but it's megamix with f graphics

[@sourlaffiq]

There’s are mods call F2nd edition which changes lighting and adds extra effects from pdf2nd

[@Cookie-rm4bc]

PS3's more cartoonish, with bright colors, while PS4 opted for a more realistic look.

[@chadangeles3856]

No just weird 3d

[@RedJTaken]

Ps4 has better detailed graphics and physics. The skin tone in ft is the best.

[@official_FoxGaming]

* Cookie * no arguing guys I like both

[@MeloettaMarmalade]

I prefer the ps3 look

[@alicesekai9839]

@@MeloettaMarmalade me too!

[@MMDRen]

If you wanna at least see the characters, then F2nd is the best one. If you want better graphics, hair physics, etc, then FT is for you.

[@red_swan_]

for beginners: If you want your fingers to die in almost every song, FT is for you.

[@MMDRen]

大好きボーカロイド Lol

[@purediva2523]

大好きボーカロイド Since I'm more incanted in FT now, none of the songs make my hands die ;v;

[@levobertus]

More like: if you want more songs, much higher difficulty and 60 fps, FT is for you

[@poopenundfarten902]

Rennini but i don’t have fucking money for the arcade anyway i can’t find FT anywhere ;-;

[@sillyveevee]

I originally thought FT was prettier than the F/X games, but after buying FT I find that most of the songs that aren't from F2nd which already have refined pvs look kind of hideous. The models don't have ANY facial expression when singing, and they end up looking really souless and dead eyed, whereas F is pretty good at avoiding that. Also their faces are way way too wide and shiny, it's like plastic. The hair looks amazing though

[@siennakrimson1461]

Well like half of the songs are edits from f2nd

[@mjrastakhiz9847]

That's because songs that were in the original 3 games (Project Diva, 2nd, and Extend) Had good motion capture quality, but had the mouth-shape (for each vowel. You would probably see the mouth shapes are more exaggerated in older songs than songs that are fairly new) quality, and sometimes, facial expression quality of a F/F2nd Edit PV, or maybe even worse at some points. When F/F2nd came out, SEGA took some songs from the original three and re-mastered the PVs, giving them better expressions, better lip sync/mouth-shapes (I really don't know what I should call it lol) and those cool Chance Time Success Effects. When they made PDFT, the changes to the old songs were not implemented, leaving the PVs of the older songs looking like they did in the original Project Diva Arcade/Dreamy Theatre, except with some edits such as better hair and textures (all though, sometimes I find the shading to be not-so appealing, such as the shading for the Roshin Yuukai/Meltdown stage, or the Moon Stage (or the Disappearance of Hatsune Miku Stage)

[@reon-larth]

Your comment just reflects exactly what I think about Project Diva games lol

[@JeanSamyr]

For me the best in Graphics is the X HD, but the gameplay is poor compared with the FT and F2nd

[@cheesura485]

I think one thing that ruined it for me is that none of the songs that got updated PV in F/F2nd had those PV's in FT, they're still using the old PDAFT pvs which in my opinion look boring (Clover club, worlds end dancehall ect)

[@apperusenpai]

Luka's hair in FT is so hypnotic to watch @u@

[@SolarAutumn]

miracle paint is better on f2nd and two breaths walking has better background on f2nd

[@creamyyriko]

SolarAutumn Miracle paint is totes better on Project Diva F2ND though I think in Two Breaths Walking, it's look the same and a bit better on Future Tone... The part on what I love with Future Tone on these two songs ( Two Breaths Walking and Two Faced Lovers ) is that Miku looks a look more realistic especially on Two Breaths Walking

[@Apothicca39]

That's because miracle paint is one of the remade PVs, FT has the old old arcade one

[@jellyjamms2726]

don't forget the models!

[@LeonGun8]

People are forgetting that the Arcade's songs are based on the original version released (unless otherwise stated in their title). Even if you remember a song from Diva F or F 2nd, that doesn't meant the Future Tone equivalent is the same since half the playlist from those two games were "classic songs" that were originally released in Diva, Diva 2 or Diva Extend.

[@Goth444eva]

I'm the only one who thinks miracle paint is much better at project diva f 2nd As for scenario I like a lot more and the dance I like more

[@klonpa]

future tone may be more updated with its models, but it lost the character that the F2nd models had.

[@mochario7363]

PandaHound character?

[@klonpa]

Rio Meow charm

[@mochario7363]

PandaHound FT is more focused on gameplay and video quality so eh

[@Apothicca39]

Plus FT has a lot more facial animations, the character is there but some people really liked the "anime" look that F and F 2nd had. Personaly, I wish they had made the PS3 versions of these games like the DT games, they had better physics and models, but also had better gameplay being 60FPS and all.

[@fevernight123]

I love the graphic look to F2nd it looks more anime-ish so I stick with F2nd, that too because I think F2nd was the best Diva game of all time!

[@w0ng659]

fevernight123 Nah i think ft is the best since it has all the songs from the previous games.

[@yo4uz]

It was before ft was released its now 2nd

[@mrsperkins7dl]

I think future tone is better cause there's way more customization in it

[@dumbpablo5755]

also F2nd isn't as hard as other games from PD

[@tastysauce2294]

I actually like Miku's more slender face in f 2nd as apposed to future tone a little bit. Everything else however, FT is an upgrade imo (graphically).

[@TheUltraBulbasaur]

Looking at them side-by-side makes it so much clearer just how washed-out FT's colors are.

[@igatosis9609]

Unpopular opinion: future tone is better than f 2nd

[@imtrieco2483]

Igatosis both games are really good but i will always stand by f/f 2nd for creating the most enjoyable experience with a rhythm game. i just found future tone lacking a bit.

[@lydiaiai]

Igatosis i don’t think that’s unpopular

[@RedJTaken]

FT is better.

[@sampie9194]

ft is better for the gameplay, the f games are better for the experience, like, chance time, every song had a special video, where as ft doesnt, only some, even some that did have a chance time effect didnt get it in ft, also the style of the models, etc, the f series are probably better for beginners

[@pusheencat3558]

I think both gameplay and graphics better in ft

[@secondaccount2026]

I wish they would do as well as they did in the openings. I know it takes a lot of work, but they have the ability to get there

[@Starkill3r306]

So, what your telling me is that I need a PS4 and I need it now?

[@CarrierOfChaos617]

I just really like the long drag sounds in FT I have FT DX and those drags are super satisfying

[@RoboVirtue]

When it comes to lighting, backgrounds, & physics I think Future tone is better but I think 2nd is better at facial expressions.

[@Sitruskk]

I'm really like the way ft looks, and I love the big collection of songs but i really like the edit pv and diva room thing in pd f/f 2nd, i prefer the controls in project diva f as well cause they're easier and I love the double note thing that ft doesn't have sadly, but i kinda like that you don't have to play every song in ft to unlock others so you don't have to play some songs you don't like (I'm looking at you world's end umbrella) and since the models are easier to buy and get, not to mention the ability to change heads. Both are great games tbh

[@Grardnx]

Nostalgia :') ❤

[@galiogaming8340]

Try mute one of the footages cuz it gets annoying and maybe try to do it with just PVs if you're only trying to show the graphics. Other than that, this is a well set up video! Good job. :)

[@LumieBerries]

I always liked the mouths in F more then future tone tbh

[@haru_hanna]

It's probably just cause F2nd was my first diva game, but I just find it a lot better. Don't get me wrong the models and physics are better in FT, but in FT you can hardly see anything. The only exception is Decorator tho, it looks stunning in FT. The thing I miss the most tho is that most of the songs that had great chance times as well as fun patterns in F2nd, Two Faced Lovers I'm looking at you, all got downgraded. They lost their uniqueness in the chance time and I felt like it was missing iconic patterns. Like in the Intense Voice of Hatsune Miku there are two parts I love in it that were also carried over in X, the Circle, Square thing across the screen and going from really to slow to pretty fast. TL;DR F2nd is more iconic and FT just has better 3D parts, the physics/models

[@alekagamine5993]

F2nd its a PD gane that we'll never forget...

[@mr.snoyboy3903]

Idk...there's a reason why people like 2D girls over 3D... (because sometimes less detail is better) Personally I like PS3 models better but a few I think look better on the PS4.

[@minhoseok1127]

I Think FT iş Better because its graphics are so cool

[@beetrootsoup3130]

It has the advantage of being on PS4 so of course the graphics are better. But I like f2nd more, if it was on PS4 than f2nd would be the superior one

[@bedbuge_]

It’s crazy how much it changed

[@levikaneovid-19]

No meiko? Also FT looks like the models had put on too much lotion

[@TempestVRoid]

Usually F 2nd is my favorite but Future Tone really got me this time.

[@initiald6104]

GUYS if f2nd played at 60f it would look flawless with better hair physics and shadows. It’s almost equal to how future tone looks other than the hair physics and the dimensional eyes. You can’t lie, f2nd has done an amazing job of keeping up with all the new stuff.

[@yeettheoof]

heres a question Why was SEGA taking some time to make project diva dreamy theater when THEY COULD HAVE JUST MADE F AND F2ND 60 FPS

[@galiogaming8340]

James Colmenares that was before the even touched upon the f series in 2010 when the first PSP game got a mega PS3 upgrade with Dreamy Theatre. They decided that they have to do it with the rest in the series to keep flowing good or it would have been incomplete and a bit weird. But like yourself, I wish the F series were 60fps.

[@beesey-p]

James Colmenares XD

[@JeanSamyr]

Rejected Tyrant PS3 can’t run 1080p 60fps in F series, and can’t run at 60fps 720p in the Dreamy Theatre. Only PS4 can handle 60fps 1080p. But sega dint did the port ;-; I wish sega release F and F2nd to PS4 with X HD graphics

[@Cybergodess]

Future tone looks beautiful and I wanna play it. But I love F and X its just Original and I love the stars and all those long presses

[@rachelmcclain7848]

Jeez,nice combo. 4:26

[@QruisS]

1:11 Future Tone represents materials much better.

[@moeshad]

The difference between 30fps and 60fps alone makes future tone look smoother

[@elpelilargoowo43]

what is song 1:03

[@peachylenvy]

Blackjack by Luka

[@elpelilargoowo43]

tanks :3

[@beesey-p]

elpelilargo Owo blackjack

[@comrademuds1951]

Call me a fool, but what's the song at 2:07?

[@bobinewg]

that song is 'Ura Omote Lovers'

[@Panc4keez]

I wish the lightning in ft was like f2nd, I don't like how ft's lightning always looks so shiny even in dark places

[@浅葱-u5k]

F2派おおいな…私はアーケードが好きです…‪w 目の中が綺麗なんだよな…。立体感あるし

[@beesey-p]

For me it has to be Project Diva F 2nd as I am a player plus the graphics on Future Tone don't look right to me

[@anabrofc3484]

A random song list 1.Pinky Swear 2.Miracle Paint 3.Blackjack 3.???(forget the song name) 4.Two Faced Lovers 5.Envy Catwalk 6.This Is The Happiness And Peace Of Mind Commitee 7.two breaths walking 8.Thousand Year Solo 9.Hello,Worker

[@gevanimation5324]

Oh no a gacha tuber

[@dynapear2370]

Normal vs. Ray Tracing Project Diva gameplay comparison. Good. Good.

[@hatsunemiku4134]

If you want realistic expressions, I prefer F2nd If you want a more expensive and better experience (Hair physics, good shaders etc.) then Future Tone is for you.

[@reei9512]

The only difference is the hair physics and the intensity of the color right?

[@mariofranceschini9593]

what is the name of the song that starts at 2:53? please

[@xptan9207]

Mario Franceschini This is the life and peace comunnity

[@bobinewg]

Kochira, Koufuku Anshin Iinkai desu.(=This is happiness and peace of mind committee.) sorry for late.

[@shobbie_]

f2nd is beautiful, good light, anime characters in 3d, stars are fun, arrows fit better just better

[@ma-ju3mg]

can someone tell me the names of these songs

[@johnsrj]

カムイ緋色 Pinky swear | Miracle Paint | Blackjack | SPiCA | Two-faced lovers | Envy Cat Walk | This is the happiness and peace of mind committee | Two breaths walking | A thousand years solo | Hello, worker

[@ma-ju3mg]

John Souza thank you ^^

[@notsatan5457]

of course it's really different

[@loliconhyui3744]

como se lama la cancion del minuto 1:48

[@bobinewg]

El título de la canción es "SPiCa".

[@davidthesnek8012]

Im gonna riot why'd they take away mikus cane in miracle paint 👿

[@kvatya]

psp cries in the corner

[@CassyVilAudios]

I find myself really fond of both art styles, and they have their own merits for sure. But there are some things that get changed between games that are just definitely better or worse to me. Taking away the cane Miku is dancing with in Miracle Paint from F to FT makes the choreo look odd, like she keeps forgetting what to do with her hands. But then, having a light directly on Dream-Sequence Miku in FT's version of Yubikiri as opposed to the more silhouetted lighting in F is much nicer, makes those sequences feel a little more warm and dreamy, and contrasts more with the Reality segments. In one game, the camera angles may be just slightly different from each other... The list goes on.

[@vv285]

tell me what the first song name

[@carno.39]

Kankita Yuuki Pinky swear :3

[@beesey-p]

Kankita Yuuki pinky swear

[@yuto5719]

i can tell the different between the ps4 and vita, but why not the same

[@davzshen6206]

What is song 3:35?

[@huongquynhphannguyen986]

Two breaths walking

[@AnnoyedArt1256]

PS3: RTX off PS4: RTX on

[@evjmn]

What is the last song? (4:05)

[@Godongo]

EvanGaming Hello Worker by Luka Megurine

[@evjmn]

Godongo Megurine thanks

[@beesey-p]

EvanGaming hello worker

[@yo4uz]

F 2nd Is Also In PSVita

[@tamaravargas4457]

Como se llama la canción del minuto 2:51 es que la eh escuchado pero nunca se como se llama xD

[@bobinewg]

Kochira, Koufuku Anshin Iinkai desu. (= Este es el comité de felicidad y tranquilidad.)

[@eclipse_eternal8178]

I want future tones models but the lighting of f2nd

[@FaeriichanII]

Why not just show the PVs in a video like this? It's very distracting seeing the notes fly by, even more so when the person playing is constantly losing their combos...

[@bobinewg]

Please forgive my crappy play. But I wanted to show you how the softness of the notes due to the difference in fps makes a difference.

[@MinMin-sv5nz]

MOU IKKAI

[@HolaFromLuna]

From a gameplay perspective, Future Tone is the way to go. Playing these songs in 60 FPS is a game changer.

[@nateaful]

i only just have project diva f2nd and x T_T . i want to play project diva future tone . but it's impossible.....

[@QV33N1]

Yui the Neko There is also a Project Diva F on the PS3 u can get

[@iamdralphys4606]

You can play dreamy theater on the ps3, its basically a psp remake of the games with future tone graphics, but its a little complex to get them to work, especialy if you don't have a japanese psn account with money ¥, a psp with the original games, and a program for the psp for each game to transfer save datas, the game has an annoying process where you have to connect the psp to the ps3 for passing your save data and continue your game.

[@KaizoraXll13]

Im witg both future tone for graphics and nice mechanics F2nd is for color characters dlc and gameplay and more button mashing

[@nidgithm]

i cant decide whether i like the new style better or not

[@skeletonorchestra1504]

I like the coloring of F2nd's enviorments a little but I think the character models look so weird. Like something about the coloring of them make them look kind of out of place and make it hard for them to blend into their enviorment. My biggest example of this is Knife in F2nd.

[@wayverleesoulsong]

I never succeeded to perfect Miracle Paint On Easy

[@huongquynhphannguyen986]

What is the song 4:22

[@desireedaniels22123]

Hương Quỳnh Phan Nguyễn hello worker

[@beesey-p]

Hương Quỳnh Phan Nguyễn hello worker

[@いろんな愛が強すぎる奴]

FTめっちゃやりたいけど、ゲーセン風だから難そう

[@Flickex1]

Hard pepelaugh

[@pidge8964]

what's the song with the spica outfit?

[@gabli6757]

the sing is called spica

[@gooblygoob6660]

Hikari Hanaka MMD [3D Animator] The outfit name is 'Orbit'

[@YChan620]

i think most of them are both stunning in their own ways, but imo in FT miracle paint and two sided lovers are straight up ugly

[@Ana-py9px]

Me encanta Project diva ft

[@orangesweet100]

We need the f2nd miracle paint in ft and Mega39s / Megamix

[@lavynx]

so can anybody tell me which one is better since I am saving money to buy them

[@loliconhyui3744]

36/5000 What is the beginning song called?

[@newhope-cat9089]

List of songs in this video 1.Pinky swear 2.Miracle paint 3.Blackjack 4....I forgot sorry 5.Two Faced Lovers 6.Envy Catwalk 7.The commitee of happiness 8.Two Breaths Walking 9....something years 10.Hello office,I think Sorry I'll go look them up and correct them again,hope this helps

[@americamarin]

Song 00:03 and 00:08

[@QV33N1]

America Angeles The song is called Pinky Swear

[@CoolGirlPlayz-qn4bb]

what is the first song called? I like it

[@bobinewg]

Now I Found some link for You. Have Enjoy:) kzbin.info/www/bejne/iX2oZYh9arSambc

[@CoolGirlPlayz-qn4bb]

+노상식 (종이봉투) thanks

[@hipdrop161]

サムネ右側やばw ていうか日本人おる？

[@stephaniecream8112]

Did any one notice that all the songs they put for future tone does are all FUTURE SOUND

[@LeonGun8]

That kind of goes without saying? Almost a "DUH!?" moment in fact. The video is comparing the Diva F 2nd game to Diva FT side to side. Meaning comparing the songs shared by both games. Future Sound is the pack that contains the songs that originally released in DIva 1, 2, Extend, F and F 2nd. So obviously any songs from Diva F 2ns will be a Future Sound song. Just a FYI, ColorfulSound songs are songs from the Project Mirai series or exclusive to the Arcade.

[@el9250]

spica, envy cat walk, two breaths walking and happiness and peace of mind committee are the only ones that i think genuinely looks better, but the others feel like they tried to update things without worrying abt composition. thousand year song or whatever genuinely looks worse imo.

[@sirmiluch6856]

Just bought Japanese special physical edition of Future Tone. Turned on my favorite song from ps3 Diva F - Himitsu Keisatsu. I was fucking disappointed that they completely remapped it.

[@kellyscorner1319]

Welp, is arcade, expect crazy bad charted songs and stupid sliders\multunotes everywhere patrons

[@rinkoshirokane8263]

Question, if they made the graphics that good on the ps4, why didn't they do that for product diva X????? And also why doesn't prodject diva X have the notes where you press them at the same time?

[@LeonGun8]

Um... One, the graphics for Future Tone where basically lifted from the Arcade and upgraded a little at most. And the multiple note presses was a gameplay mechanic of,once again, the arcade games. It also makes a lot more sense in the Cabinet itself. In fact, it's a lot easier to hold them due to how massive the buttons are and the way they are placed,unlike the PS4 controller where you have to do all the macroing and double wielding just to be able to score decently. Basically, Diva X kept the gameplay manageable for a console. The PS4 version of FT just gave you as many customization options for your controller as possible and wished you luck in getting the hang of a gameplay mechanic which was not designed with a controller in mind.

[@LowtusMob]

For the harder difficulty, graphics and hair physics, FT is for you For the PVs that certainly looked MUCH better than FT PVs in terms of effects, animations and expressions, and for the old gameplay style with arrow notes, hold notes and scatch notes, complete with Chance Time and Technical Zones, then go for F 2nd For moddability, get AFT or MM+ instead

[@darkmetaknight6505]

Well F2 has kagerou days

[@YuBeace]

the thing with Miracle Paint is that the graphics are better, but the animation is the old version while F2nd had a renewed one, so Miracle Paint looks wonky AF

[@meigyokuthmn]

Cel shaded (lack of self shadowing) vs figure-like (has self shadowing)

[@kellyscorner1319]

If Cell Shaded is well used, it can be great.

[@bibIico]

0:47 Song how is called

[@bobinewg]

that songs name is "miracle paint"

[@bibIico]

@@bobinewg Thank you so much!!!!

[@loliconhyui3744]

Como se llama la cancion del inicio?

[@anthonynito1879]

Yubikiri

[@pusheenheart312]

Dem graphics on PS4 tho.. I chose PS4

[@jarkkodacakefox1975]

I want a Project Diva game where is has Futute Tone graphics and F2nd gameplay.

[@danish1650]

the problem with FT is the control.. why they don't do a remaster of the original game?

[@alexizbrown4180]

F2nd: Expressions FT: Pretty Graphics (expect for any toon PVs)

[@kellyscorner1319]

Those toon pvs in megamix look better

[@tofutii]

FT gave the characters more of a body, miku has thicker thighs and arms, though it’s very subtle. All throughout FT there’s definitely a lot more defined features for the characters; feels more realistic

[@brianahale5459]

Personally, both games are great and have their own best features. I like FT over F2nd because of the graphics (ofc) and also changing the rhythm patterns. In FT, they really count for all the beats in the Hard Level compared to F2nd. IK F2nd has different patterns like the Stars and the Same Button Mash Arrows, but I like the change with using the hold button for extra points and the creative two button patterns. Basically, tl;dr, the gaming mechanics of FT are better

[@itsallforpele]

For some reason I prefer the PSP version instead of the F2nd version, I think I like the more simplistic look but I also really like the realistic version like the Dreamy Theatre, Arcade and Future Tone

[@L3wdAnimeLife]

Its quite obvious that Project diva future tone has better graphics because its on ps4 -_-

[@ramirosanchez3441]

Cameron Roberts project diva x was on the ps4 and that game had the same graphics as f and f2nd if you don't count the hd version

[@L3wdAnimeLife]

+Ramiro Sanchez Project diva future tone you can play in 4k and even without 4k it still looks good

[@fagitocumaeda]

Ramiro Sanchez pdx looks way better than f and f2nd

[@articcats701]

Why don’t you post about miku now?

[@bobinewg]

I simply uploaded this video to show the difference between the frame rates of the PS3 and PS4. I no longer feel the purpose of uploading a Miku video. Sorry if you wanted more Miku videos.

[@articcats701]

Yeah my cousin loved miku before but she hates her now too but i forgive you about that

[@articcats701]

But also miku gave you so much views than your views now it’s 70k and you’re new videos are well.. 38 and 22 and sorry but like miku is better if you want views but it’s your choice not mine

[@kevinmiller8111]

Both look good, I definitely prefer how F2nd looks.

[@BubbleKim]

생각해보면 지금 rpcs3로 미쿠 디바 f나 f 2nd를 할수 있는거 보면 좋긴 좋네요(렉도 안먹고)

[@YotaStar__]

Ft is just a revamp of dreamy theater if y’all haven’t noticed