PSA REVEAL: 1988 Fleer Basketball! Jordan, Pippen, Rodman 🔥🔥

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Nearly one year ago Geoff opened a box of 1988 Fleer Basketball. Now the grades are finally back from PSA. Did we get any 10s? Tune in to find out. .
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[@bradford_shaun_murray]

Moral of the story ---> 21:38 🏀 Gum review ---> 21:49

[@milktruck9345]

Value of a factory sealed box of 1990 skybox NBA cards.

[@elusivelectron]

A Larry Bird 9 is something to get excited over.

[@PsychopathicSavior]

This video made me decide on not getting my cards graded thank you

[@area51sea]

Well at least whatever you lost on the value from cracking open the box you probably at least broke even in KZbin revenue with over a Million views. Hope you do more of these vintage pack openings. Not to much interest in the new cards but older cards got me to watch and subscribe and even opened an 1991 upper deck box I got for 50 bucks

[@erics925]

The gum eating was a PSA 10!

[@SportsCardInvestor]

📈

[@whitelesbianrapper]

You should resubmit all of that to all the different grading companies and do separate videos LOL

[@bradwatson8130]

Hi my love

[@stevewaldorf5020]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@Angel42515]

Psa is an absolute joke. Biggest scammers

[@Angel42515]

They don’t give out 10s unless your Logan Paul

[@TomN..]

They don't give out 10s unless you are running thousands of cards through them. I would like to send them a known beckett 10 and see what they grade it.

[@ASMRPeople]

Brutal. It's these shenanigans that makes me wonder if PSA will ever regain its throne when they come back.

[@saltyvillecards]

They still the top lol

[@dr.fauci_tortured_n_killed5034]

I cant believe how stupid this is.....all of these 20 years ago would have gotten 9s and 10s I'm 100% positive

[@kamb8s]

@@dr.fauci_tortured_n_killed5034 So you're mad that PSA has gotten more strict with their standards? You preferred when cards with flaws got 10s? For sure.

[@dr.fauci_tortured_n_killed5034]

@@kamb8s I'm Mad that flawless cards straight from the pack are 7s and 8s when I know for a fact that 20 years ago when I was in the hobby the same cards would have gotten 10s and 9s this grading discrepancy should totally crash the prices on old slabs idk how this hasnt tanked psa

[@scotta8260]

@@dr.fauci_tortured_n_killed5034 I agree completely. Everyone with orders at PSA are going to get rekt.

[@joshall4]

This is why BGS is a better option for these cards. With PSA you'll never know why they gave the grade they did. At least with BGS you can pin point where they found the flaw and how it added up to it's grade.

[@Mike-ix5sv]

Love the color tiers of the plaque, silver, gold and the rare black.

[@tubenachos]

There's got to be a PSA 10 in one of those Jordans. I think I'll migrate to SGC, fair grades imho. PSA is starting to piss me off

[@longlostsonicsfan]

SGC is the way of the future.

[@AnthonyM-xj1vc]

agreed the new graders there have made it a random lottery.

[@jasonhipkins]

I am not saying there was any 10’s but thought a lot more 9’s.

[@jasonhipkins]

@@longlostsonicsfan I am been buying SGC for the past 6 months and got 2 SGC submissions back.

[@longlostsonicsfan]

@@jasonhipkins I think they can make several upgrades to their slabs, but besides that I’m a huge fan.

[@HausOfPain]

I just got my 200 card sub back recently. I split it in half to see what would happen. My first 100 cards had a gem rate of 84% and my other 100 had a gem rate of 23%! I got multiple cards back with finger prints on the surface as well. I wear gloves when I prepped my cards and thoroughly checked for any finger prints and surface issues. This was really disappointing and grading is a total crapshoot. PSA is not to be trusted with grading our cards.

[@mcshreddy]

How do you afford it when it's 20-30 bucks a card to get these graded? 100 cards at once...

[@HausOfPain]

@@mcshreddy submitted over a year and a half ago…

[@davidjames5881]

Old news......PSA is a joke , BGS holds no value in comparison. Sorry this is pure facts . Using PSA in person at card shows was fair in the 90s. Honestly , that was the only time I felt it was fair. The values weren't insane back then , now they are, this is all rigged now. Mailing them in now? This is all a setup , you wont get any fair grades , they'll never grade these 88 Fleer Basketball cards fairly. Huge waste of money , and time. Dont fall for this scam !

[@ErolDotCom]

Different employees on different days. That’s probably a big part of the issue. Someone’s not doing their job

[@williammal2166]

@@kfiscal01 you can trust sgc a bit more than psa

[@ballislife9989]

Brutally tough and unfair. Grader must've been having a terrible day. I saw the box break and thought how beautiful most of these cards looked.

[@davidjames5881]

"Grader was having a bad day" , you all repeat this lame statement . No, PSA purposely keeps the population of high grades low. This keeps values insane, and people chasing . Fall for this scam if you want . If they 9 and 10'd properly, thered be no value in them , and people would stop using PSA. So they'll just keep playing everyone who keeps falling for the scam. Have fun yall 😂

[@etxbreaks6291]

These videos are sure making SGC look better and better!

[@WhyScales23]

Sgc cases are ugly

[@justinkline1294]

SGC is the hit legit. Their grading system is more accurate at the top end with its "9.5 Mint +" grade. And I rather like the newer "tuxedo" cases. I'd pick them over PSA every time, both for submissions and on the secondary.

[@morsteen]

@@WhyScales23 I think the black matte makes the card look so much better. I'd only change the font used.

[@fastfootedone]

CSG

[@tonyhamilton9764]

That was brutal. When I watching this being opened I was surprised with how decent the centering was on most of these. I can't see the surface of course but most of these looked much better than the grades received.

[@TKFOH]

Seriously, a lot of these that were graded out as 8's seemed like 9.5 or 10's. Centered, sharp edges and corners, no surface damage, etc. Also, not sure which grading service it is, but it lists the 4 grades, so you can see why it wouldn't have scored a 9 or a 10. Kind of messed up that PSA doesn't do that.

[@The.Governator]

Yep I agree. PSA too stringent on these wax cards. Just brutal grading, those Jordan All Star cards looked pretty good imo. Centering wise it deserved a 9 at least in one of them.

[@ja1720]

I’ve subbed over a thousand cards with PSA, so I know what has a chance to gem, mint, etc. with that being said, I submitted all the bigger cards from my 1986-1989 fleer sets, all being in mint+ condition. My 86 fleer got all 5’s and 6’s. I got one 9, out of almost 100 cards. Some were badly off centered but my well centered ones got 6’s. I cracked all the big ones and sent it to BGS. Never subbing to PSA again

[@dr.fauci_tortured_n_killed5034]

Exaxtly I would bust all those out and never again sub to psa

[@dr.fauci_tortured_n_killed5034]

PSA is absolutely horrible

[@kamb8s]

PSA is SHAKING in their boots, SOBBING that you're no longer a customer. What will they do?

[@platinumbphilms3736]

@@ja1720 would love to hear back on what bgs grades them

[@ja1720]

@@platinumbphilms3736 I will. I should have them back sometime in July

[@williamanderson6614]

The fact that it was over a year since the rip, is very sad on PSA’s part

[@Bibleguy89-uu3nr]

They waited over a year to get screwed lol

[@dr.fauci_tortured_n_killed5034]

Not nearly as sad as the atrocious grading they recieved not just bordering on scandalous but straight out corrupt

[@rahiqalam]

AI grading companies like AGS can grade cards really fast since the process is automated.

[@ricecakejohnson]

Wow, PSA is brutal with these grades! I remember watching the opening video and there were a few cards I thought looked really nice(especially the centering considering this year has some centering issues).

[@crispiest99]

Makes the PSA 9’s look like bargains

[@martlajambe2634]

Good vids guys! It was tough to see your excitement fade slowly through the video! Keep up the good work.

[@petes2feet]

I've been waiting on this. Let's go Geoff and Mark.

[@stevenash1215]

Love it!! I went back to watch the box opening first- made it much more exciting. Thanks for fun content!

[@leagueleaders]

Those grades were brutal. I thought for sure you had a couple 10s. Your friends knowledge of late 80s basketball and cards is pretty awesome. I'd happily watch him Crack open vintage basketball.

[@wafdawg]

I cracked open every Topps Tiffany set ever made and sent about 20 cards for super express and got back no 10’s. A lot of 8’s, like 3 9’s. It was a total joke. Cards were gem mint. Prob will never submit vintage, 80’s or 90’s to PSA again. This was just this week.

[@wafdawg]

Baseball - including an 89 Bowman and 2 86 Topps traded

[@jusbeazy28]

@@wafdawg PSA is drunk at this point

[@wafdawg]

@@jusbeazy28 Honestly can’t believe I paid over $6k for super express just to get totally robbed

[@jusbeazy28]

@@wafdawg I have a Jeter SP foil and 2 of his Topps rookies I’m just sitting on because of PSA. They are so inconsistent

[@wafdawg]

@@jusbeazy28 The sad part is that they are the only one that has the true resale value so it’s not like you want to send to Beckett or SGC. Although lately I think BGS 9.5’s are criminally undervalued.

[@TimewarpTV]

These grades from PSA were brutal, so many PSA 7's. I would love to see these cards resubmitted to SGC.

[@MiloneMoneyMindset]

That crunch! Wish you guys got some more 9s but still another great video!

[@_sharky11111]

Man that was brutal...good to know as I have several of these to submit, double thinking it now.

[@dr.fauci_tortured_n_killed5034]

Dont do it

[@Bibleguy89-uu3nr]

Im in the same boat. What should we do?

[@lucaswestcott6182]

Bro I've been waiting for this

[@benniecameron6441]

HOT TIP! I have noticed a trend when multiples of the same card or a stack from the same set are submitted, they seem to nearly all get the same grade. It seems to me that the graders will use a shortcut to get through them. Then randomly change a grade so it doesnt look like they are short cutting but after seeing tons of reveals a pattern seems to emerge.

[@TreezyRL]

Yep I noticed that too with my last submission!

[@cassidyparson3625]

untrue I submit thousands and thousands a year. there is no trick or special secret.

[@13kimosabi13]

It seemed like PSA did a great job to me.....understandable WHY each and every card rec'ved the grade given......very consistent and that's what we want => unbiased and impartial grading. IMO => FOR PSA it's all about the corners (70%), then 15% L-R, 10% T-B, 5% everything thing/anything else. It's WRONG but THEY ARE VERY CONSISTENT ABOUT IT. PSA is terrible about FOCUS DIFFERENCES, COLOR DIFFERENCES, PRINT DEFECTS, PRESSING, TILT. But 100% on MISCUTS, creases, wrinkles, min size requirements, altered/colored and paper loss. They occasionally MISS TRIMMING. So you'll know i'm not THEIR GUY => MOST CARDS LOOK BETTER IN SGC HOLDERS

[@apebitmusic83]

If you actually suspect this and continue to send cards to PSA I don’t even know what to tel you

[@ojiang86]

That's why I've been looking at alternatives. They're backed up, and there's a lot of different card graders now. From established graders like BGS to AI graders like AGS.

[@frontier1kinetics802]

The '88 Fleer set is notorious for getting low grades with all the 3rd party companies...severe centering issues...not only left-right but also top-bottom on a majority of the cards manufactured

[@icol86]

Finally been waiting for.this video

[@GotAerialllc]

Why would I send my brand new, fresh pulled, perfect centered card to psa just so they can tell me it's not a good card.. what in the scam heck is going on... do they even read they own grading standards?

[@dr.fauci_tortured_n_killed5034]

Yup....this is horrible

[@dr.fauci_tortured_n_killed5034]

@@paddyb456 sickos I believe it

[@Achilles5937]

Ouch! That hurts, I can definitely sympathize with the grades from past experiences with my PSA bulk submissions.

[@justinkline1294]

That Jordan All-Star card is just so iconic. The only graded basketball card that I own is that in an SGC 7.5. But centering top to bottom on both front and back is really tough. So I wouldn't be all that surprised/disappointed by the grades you got. And I agree that they were worth submitting to have authenticated even if PC.

[@twenty1sportscards790]

You would think paying for a service they would provide reasoning on why your card received the overall grade. At least provide details on if it was surface, corners, edges, or centering. Grading companies should be as transparent as possible. Otherwise it looks rather shady that pop counts are being manipulated.

[@keithdefreitas3399]

Exactly why I like BGS any day over PSA. Sub grades let you know what you got in each of the 4 areas of grading. When I started out with cards BGS was the number #1 for grading and I hope it goes back to that.

[@ryanj7956]

Lots of good lessons here. They are definitely tougher on grading. Existing PSA 9/10 of older cards are way under valued (and over graded), and 8s and 9s are not bad grades for older cards. I just had a 1990s card sub that weirdly had 24 PSA 8.5s out of 108 cards. Seems like pop control to me.

[@TheGlassbro]

Anyone hear that? Sounds like pop control to me

[@calebsteingruber6906]

Honestly, that was some tough grading...perfect edges, corners, surface, just always a very slight imperfection on the centering, I thought a lot of those 8s, even a Jordan all-star and a Reggie looked more centered than the 9 Barkley, which was ever so slightly up and left. That's tough.

[@SpiffyMcZender]

I have a bunch of cards from that Fleer '88 set, including two nice looking Jordans. I guess I should send them into HGA or SGC.

[@zachm.3165]

This is why it’s good to have more than 1 or 2 grading options . Love the hobby tho ripping packs is extremely fun 🔥

[@ojiang86]

Yep, can't wait for more options and innovations like AI grading to become more popular.

[@ZiggyNo]

Grading needs regulations and standardization. There's too much HUMAN subjective grading in the hobby. #AIforGrading Thank you for sharing.

[@kamb8s]

They literally spent millions of dollars to acquire an AI grading company to help facilitate an increased amount of standardization. What more do you want? Grading is inherently subjective. You're not going to have perfect AI grading anytime during your lifetime.

[@Bibleguy89-uu3nr]

@@kamb8s Computers drive cars now, I think they will be able to pull off taking a picture of cardboard from a children's hobby.

[@cardsandcomics]

AI grading will allow more fakes and altered cards thru once scammers figure out the tolerances

[@kamb8s]

@@cardsandcomics You do understand that AI grading does not mean that the cards are not seen by humans, correct?

[@cardsandcomics]

@@kamb8s using it the way people are wanting such as corners and edges will make trimming easier as humans won't be judging those aspects or why even have software

[@ksmith733]

Haha you two work well together! The ending is the best hahahaha.

[@boldensaid188]

Keep in mind guys The appreciation of this set and the past few months definitely works in your favor. Thanks for the amazing content I look forward to more of your journeys 🎉🤝💯🍻

[@daveparis8245]

Still nice that you guys got em back. I had a set from that year bought years ago. Most are off center for sure.

[@gmanscaliking5722]

Love the channel fellas!!!

[@chicagokyle5126]

My favorite part of this video was how you stacked up your slabs after each grade reveal. :D

[@stevenberger1845]

Off topic but.. I'm looking into signing up on market movers to price some old cards but wanted to know if hockey cards are listed on there too and if it's as detailed as I'm assuming basketball would be on there. Love your content man. Hands down best on KZbin in this field.

[@vikesfan63]

Love the sound effects!.

[@alford35]

Ridiculous if ask me. Definitely a few 9s were in there that got 8s if go by the standards of past grading.

[@mikecrow.1]

Damn makes me not want to send mine in now. Great video!

[@dougmiller1980]

Me too.. I have some ‘88 Fleets I want to send in but that’s ridiculous

[@kareemyoung5646]

Hey I'm Irish black I've been in the sports card trading business for a few years now 2016 to be exact. I thank you for pushing the business to the next level like you have. There are card breakers like Badger breaks Pull Wax Cajun Breakers and host of others that really put in work out here.You Guys put us where we are today. Thank you

[@illmanny973]

🤣🤣🤣 the gum!… love this 🤗

[@Atonement-]

They should be required to supply a description on why the grade was what it was.

[@johnblacksmith9505]

lol i have just watched your initial break video and had a go at you guys for not sleeving immediately. Good to see that you recognise your fault in not doing it immediately. Anyway, lets get on with how they graded and i'm happy that you said that you checked them all before sleeving and that no unnecessary damage had been done to them.😃

[@johnmichaelfernandez92]

Marks back! let’s goooo 🔥🔥

[@francisraymoralde6969]

You went to SGC, they took it personally 😂

[@Santoki30004]

Had me at Crunch!!! lol Get the Gum PSA Cased 🤣 😂 😅

[@jasonmcedward2595]

I actually watched you open this whole box and I'm surprised that you only got two nines out of that whole box amazing

[@errolholmes3838]

Lost my whole childhood collection . This channel make me smile and cry 😭

[@dc48664]

I think PSA is grading harder recently, but I haven't experienced it personally thankfully. Just received back two 1988 Fleer a week ago and I got a PSA 9 Pippen and and PSA 10 Rodman. Both were purchased raw off of eBay!

[@justzen5265]

Can you guys switch up the camera view for revealing the cards? The blurr is straining my eyes lol.

[@wesleygambill8259]

This helps make up my mind on sending my Jordan's to PSA.

[@adamscardcloset9020]

Wow . Thanks for reminding me why I keep my stuff sealed

[@poke_oz6916]

Those Jordan stickers are way cool no matter what grade you got 🥰 I was born in 1989 and it’s my birthday today so I’d be interested in buying the lowest graded Jordan sticker if you were interested in selling. Keep up the great work, love from Australia 🇦🇺

[@luigit9321]

Maybe mass market will realize the buying opportunity we re in right now on 9 and 10 slabs. Massive deals on the various platforms.

[@dystixn1766]

Hi SCI. Glad to say I picked up Merch and it is coming in 2 weeks! So excited! I had one question for you, I recently pulled an Acuna/tatis dual auto redemption and it hasn’t come yet and it’s been 3 months. What should I do?

[@mjo23dan]

Been anticipating this video for awhile. Mark is super knowledgeable. Does he have any social media? Also, I know PSA just acquired Genamint but wondering if they used them here to grade these cards.

[@SportsCardInvestor]

No, Genamint’s technology won’t be implemented for several months.

[@mathiscards]

Hey, this is Mark! Thanks. I don’t have any social media stuff, just loved cards back in the day and having some fun getting back into it recently.

[@mjo23dan]

@@mathiscards hey, thanks Mark. You’re super knowledgeable with this stuff and your insight is appreciated. Especially during that first video of the box break. You should consider opening up a social account. Thanks.

[@billyworks3702]

Watching you guys eat that gum was a bigger highlight than the reveal and that was impressive to beat!

[@redzwestisbest]

You can't just start grading cards harder all of a sudden. Reeks of protection of investments of owners of PSA.

[@citizenx9149]

That was tough to watch, I just watched the opening today and was hoping you guys got some 10s in there, certainly thought I saw a few in there, hopefully you resubmitted a good portion of those cards and got better grading on em

[@russellwhite707]

You guys were funny 😂. Thanks for the entertainment.

[@sober_edc6877]

I did something very similar, and got similar results. I then resubmitted the cards, but only 1-3 at a time. All of them, with the exception of one, graded at least one point higher. (I did not get any stickers graded).

[@c4rdl0rd28]

Seriously everyone, you don’t think there’s a correlation between a company that refuses to post subgrades and has a serious inconsistency record? Gimme a break!

[@Bluejacket66]

We’ve all been there. You were good sports about it

[@leezep9794]

I lucked out a few times doig exactly this! 👍

[@jonscattaregia9619]

I thought you guys were gonna get at least one Jordan 9 from watching the original video and to get a whole bunch of 7’s for the Rodman rookies was surprising to me too. PSA was tough on their grading for sure lol.

[@dandougie363]

Wow thank god I sent the last of my cards to psa n done w them after unbelievable

[@X-Factor-by2kz]

I watched both videos...well done! With some of the lower grades did the cost of grading makes sense? I'm sure it's not cheap. I know grading coins isn't cheap.

[@mikerukavina4551]

Top to bottom centering on the Jordan 7's, imho, is what made them 7's....so if it's even off ever so slightly left to right, the grade is gonna be taken way down.

[@danshuntingforcollectibles5681]

Man,I bought a whole set of these with the stickers 10 years ago for 20 bucks.

[@markflood9755]

Ill give you 40

[@danshuntingforcollectibles5681]

Mark flood you're funny. Good luck finding a set for that.

[@Zonum1]

How much is this whole set now?

[@LDehaut]

7:12 the guy on the right is like: "Oops, that was being recorded, I'm such a baby and I'm 59". LMAO

[@GVNKPLR]

I was just thinking of the break last week

[@ROSSSANCHEZJR]

Hilarious, but awesome that you did this. I'm sure you'll get your $$ back and then some. Thanks for the content! Very informative and helpful !

[@davidheath3960]

I actually found a full set (minus the stickers) of 1988 fleer basketball at the salvation army for 5 bucks. I thought I had some good shaped cards for the year, but now I'm starting to doubt my thoughts of grading them.

[@WesleyHandy]

Shouldn't a grading result like this drive down the price of unopened boxes?

[@byronmurrill2186]

Of course. The prior video where these guys "opened" the packs said the box was worth 10k. That box was worth more like 1,500 at best

[@frankk.7761]

The whole industry is a joke. 5 years ago I got a 1989 score football box for $250. Now it’s worth $2k. Fuck that.

[@masscollector4511]

Wow... My last two submission were not that bad then. At least I hit four 9s out of 20 cards on my 1988 cards.

[@TheBnicholas1606]

It was top bottom centering in almost all those 7s, yes not bad, but I could notice instantly when you hold them up

[@josephkaiser2964]

Mark's legendary comb over. PSA 10!!!!!!!!

[@dr.fauci_tortured_n_killed5034]

Guys a psa 5 should have VERY NOTICEABLE flaws ......if this doesnt show how bad psa is idk what will

[@montana01]

The 5’s were WAY off center. The 7’s and 8’s had pretty decent centering, so I wonder what held them back. I’m guessing it was still the centering, as it wasn’t 50/50.

[@chocolateking1143]

Hey man those grades are perfect for a collector like myself. Some of us are on a budget lol.

[@PhilSims]

hehe, nice

[@djdestroyer]

That first Jordan looked so nice, was thinking 9 or even maybe more.

[@diybeginners1200]

I stumbled across part 1 of this video and was shocked to see sports cards are still worth money. My dad collected in the 80’s and 90’s. What is the best way to start selling without haven’t much experience. He has 2 boxes of 82 Topps football and I was shocked to see what they were listed for on eBay.

[@day-trishad3937]

The crunch of that gum sounded Like a kettle cooked potato chip. I’m dying laughing here.

[@paulmouradjian6045]

So when do we get the vodeo that breaks tgese slabs and you resubmit somewhere else?

[@AnthonyM-xj1vc]

PSA isn't the same. There graders are all over the board completely random grades now. Time to pass the torch.

[@Jay-kp9sp]

That is one fine comb over.

[@chrismiles6694]

Most folks don't see surface issues on cards. It's all part of the difficulty of getting high grades. Late 80's card manufacturing was prehistoric. I opened three boxes of 88 Fleer and the centering was pretty hit and miss.

[@TheGrassNPC]

I lost it when he said oh that crunch

[@miggys7]

I’m crying that’s how hard I was laughing with the sound effects and the boiling anger I know they’re feeling inside 😅 PSA was not in a good mood that day grading cards 😂

[@matthewmizushima8420]

After seeing the break and how great the cards look. I think I’m gonna chase😢 some of those down

[@81ghale]

Chris Delia has really aged. Jokes aside, you guys have gotten me interested in card collecting again! I used to have a huge binder full but lost it in my travels through life. I had a Jordan hologram I have no idea it’s worth but I wish I still had that card.

[@goldblood2155]

That gum crunch 😳😬🤣🤣

[@mmurph2686]

Fun original and follow up video! You should sell that gum on EBay. What is the cost to get a card graded?

[@LiveFreeOrRIP]

PSA has all the 10s.... They sent you back the 8s..... There 10s will be for sale on ebay for 4000 5000 each. Thanks for sending them in!!!