PSO2 NGS | The REAL Issues of PSO2 NGS, The Community

[@bagasraga7765]

if community says theres something wrong with the game, it means theres something wrong with the game. What the hell with this sega white knight

[@siccens6168]

The issue is the drop rate. I think 99.9% of the community would agree on this. 0.000001% drop rates is not ok.

[@Spikesxu]

The issue is the community. The drop rate has its issues, but is a small factor, and is really only absurd for things such as Tisah. The drop rate for Tisah would be ok if it were a much more powerful weapon or if it could be traded for the weapon type you wanted. The drop rates for everything else in the game realistically aren't even that bad. Especially when paired with various lanes that can be taken to achieve whatever is being chased.

[@urnoob5528]

@@Spikesxu learn how to create an argument

[@Spikesxu]

​@@urnoob5528 I have zero interest in simply, "creating an argument". I will debate, which can constructively use arguments. I will not however, simply, "create an argument".

[@AzariusR]

Lets say they increased the drop rate, and you get Tisah weapons, so what else are you going to do anymore then with it? Later on when 10star weapons releases you are going to ditch the Tisah series AND we're back to square one again. It's a very temporary issue.

[@siccens6168]

@@AzariusR uh, wreck DOLLS? What else!

[@LoneKuroRaifu]

Your asking people to be complacent with a game that was basically in beta stage the 1st year and you wanna compare it to ffxi which felt like a journey in itself the first few months of playing? The community has every reason to complain, from bad community managers dishing bans cause they hate someone, lack of worthwhile content (and anything actually worth while is abandoned like the hatched gigantix boss under kvaris, Fighter class that is underwhelming for its punishments for being a closerange dps with a buffbthat mkes you weaker but some classes without the punishments are still doing better than you, and a dev team thats more focused on cosmetics than what they show in their initial trailer which is combat and epic battles, but theres barely few and thy lose all meaning an event or two later when the gear is not worth having. If a community complains about something in its game its because they care for it, especially if they constantly give theirbown solutions to the problems. So drink all the copium you want, and have respect for ffxi, that game's amazing from start to finish... until they made it more like ffxiv anyway. Private servers are great tho

[@Spikesxu]

I never once mentioned or used the word complacent. Your second paragraph is extremely subjective. If a community complains about something in a constructive way, they care about it. Unfiltered complaint, does not equate to care. Tossing their own solutions & ideas to the devs is a great way to go about it & a great road to understanding. But the way that the community as a whole goes about things, makes it all for naught. & agreed, FFXI was an absolute masterpiece before they started making it more like WoW/FFXIV (Lets be real, FFXIV is just WoW with an FF skin anyway 😂).

[@hermityt1]

@@Spikesxu Players have been giving constructive criticism for 2 years now. If you're not seeing it, then you're not looking in the right places. The game has been a mess for 2 years, and yes, it's still a mess now. 1 good quest and Creative Spaces doesn't change that.

[@LoneKuroRaifu]

@@Spikesxu The community has been frustrated and tbf it makes sense, not only for the reasons I stated but that Sega has made it clear they're focused on pleasing the JP side more than Global. So not only are we yelling to ask them to fix the game, we're not even sure Sega is in the same room as us while we scream into the abyss. Of course that'd be the community managers job to help with that but.....*sigh* Oh, and yeah i agree on FFxiv like Wow. I swear they copy modes too. Just wish they'd take some PvP modes from Guild Wars 2 as well :p

[@Spikesxu]

​@@hermityt1 Make no mistake. I see the constructive criticism. I've seen it since release. And I promote constructive criticism, as was clearly stated and emphasized within this video numerous times. This video is not about the side of the community that gives constructive criticism. It's about the side of the community that does not.

[@urnoob5528]

​@@Spikesxu subjective? look whos talkin

[@Ghennesph]

People need to learn to take indirect feedback. If people are aimlessly complaining about random things, that's not bad, because they're still playing. But, when you look at PSO2/NGS numbers... People aren't still playing. They're bored. This game segregates it's community, keeping players apart outside of lobbies, with worthless content island after worthless content island that's the only thing anyone played for all of a few weeks, because there's no longer any reason to play. The community is not the issue for NGS, because game of NGS is what creates and retains it's community. It's not the customer's fault they don't like a product. It's not the market's responsibility to enjoy something. It's SEGA's responsibility to make something people WANT to play. Even if a toxic remaining community is driving people away, it's not the responsibility of anyone but SEGA to provide the tools necessary for players to play with who they want, and find the parts of the community they can enjoy. The community is never the problem for an online game. It is always some facet of the game's design, because the ways players can interact with eachother are a part of that design.

[@Spikesxu]

In large part, it's not the game that separates their communities. It's the community that separates its community. Actually think about that & try to apply it to the stance that you took in the first paragraph. The game in itself does play a large part in its success. Specifically for normal games. But for MMOs, this varies greatly. The community in an MMO can HEAVILY impact the enjoyability of the game and thus, if the game succeeds or not. If you truly believe that, "the community is never the problem for an online game", it would appear that you likely lack self accountability. It is the job for a company to make an enjoyable game, and of course we can all agree PSO2 NGS needs work. But a game's community in itself can be the very cause of its own downfall.

[@urnoob5528]

@@Spikesxu man u jus pulling shit out ur ass next time blame a child for growing up to be a failure instead of the parent

[@RavenL1337]

@@Spikesxuwtf are you on bro? OFC is the fucking game that is separating the community!!! wtf are you on about??

[@Chris1ne]

I'd say look at it from this point if view cuz this most recently happened. Version 2. When it was supposed to drop with Luci and Creative Spaces etc in one big go. That would've made ALOT of people happy. But, it sadly got broken up and notice how the community became divided due to some people getting something that they wanted and others not. This is what plagues NGS. Updates cater to different groups and people IMMEDIATELY complain vs going hey that's good for them I'll wait for content I enjoy or...I'll go play something else till content I enjoy comes out.

[@sparhawk2195]

All I hear is excuses. Good games don't have this sort of problem because they don't create a horrible environment in the first place. Players want meanginful content that is engaging. Few are going to complain if working towards gear was meaningful. But it never has been. The entire community becomes a cesspool because there's nothing engaging to do. The ones who stay want to embrace stockholm syndrome as tightly as possible. It's beyond pathetic. What base pso2 worked itself into took years but it was good. What they gutted and have turned NGS into is bad. Yuu will never get people to stop complaining when the game itself is a problem. You want it to stop then demand better from sega, demand better of NGS. Don't blame the community for the game becoming degenerate. That's the devs fault.

[@Spikesxu]

Accountability.

[@bagasraga7765]

this is really true, why the F someone blame the player instead the Dev ? how much sega pay him to say that ?

[@solblackguy]

@@bagasraga7765 the worst part about people shilling for Sega is that they do it for free

[@Erduk]

@spikesxu maybe if you were a better content creator the game wouldn't be dying. Maybe it's your fault?

[@Spikesxu]

@@Erduk This is a very strange take. I will applaud you that. Lol. I hope you have a great rest of your day!

[@solblackguy]

"Never blame your client unless you want to kill your brand." The community had nothing to do with NGS being a flaming turd. Our feedback was being sterilized by community management before it even made it to Sega JP. We were the last to be considered and the last to be listened to. Want to find out what the problem with NGS is? We ain't it chief.

[@Spikesxu]

They've never blamed their client. I, a completely separate & individual body, am speaking on the issues with their client. Specifically, their Global Client. Their community and the inconsistences within their community. Make no mistake, NGS has many things it can improve on. As, is the case with any and every MMO in existence. But its community, specifically its Global side, holds a lot of blame as to the misguided direction the game has gone. You can have what should be the greatest bar or restaurant on earth. Great food, great drinks, etc. If you keep letting or have your patrons run amuck unchecked, causing issues, keeping them within the establishment even though their presence is toxic for the other patrons & the business itself. The greatness of that establishment will be quickly overshadowed and driven into the ground. Thing is, Global has a lot of this. Global community often does very little to really help or constructively grow the game. And by grow, I don't mean make the game exactly like Base PSO2. But they tend do an incredible, almost unprecedented job at keeping people away from the game.

[@solblackguy]

@@Spikesxu You can't have a community if the community management kills the community. This is why all that's left in NGS is a bunch of weirdos doing ERP in a creative space nobody asked for.

[@Spikesxu]

@@solblackguy The community killed the community. With all due respect, your reply further emphasizes this.

[@solblackguy]

@@Spikesxu Are you including community management as part of the community? They stopped being part of the community when they showed to not represent the community interests.

[@Spikesxu]

​@@solblackguy "Community interests" can be a tricky one. Please understand that what your or my interests may be, may not collectively be the community's at its entirety. Also, sometimes the community's interests can not and should not be followed to a Tee. If they were, in regards to global, we'd just have another PSO2 Base. Which is NOT the direction NGS has ever wanted or needs to go. Global community's interests can be so conflicting because of how crazily attached a lot of their userbase is to PSO2 Base and the 8 years of content that was given to them in the span of less than a year. As a result, Global generally holds the game at an unreasonable expectation, and often there's a plethora of things that are wanted or complained about, that the game realistically does not need. To elaborate on my first part about interests, say for example Creative Space. While Creative Space may not necessarily be your cup of tea, and I'm not really a huge CS guy either, I fully understand/understood the want for it and how big the want for it was. After its release, I also fully take my hat off to the dev team because Creative Space is a marvel in itself unlike anything else I've seen on any other game. Sometimes what the community wants, is not what the community needs. Thing about Global though, is that too much of Global wants PSO2 Base and immediately doom reacts anything that's not PSO2 Base. Comparison is the thief of joy. NGS is not Base. It was never supposed to be like Base. And people need to understand this. NGS will continue to grow. But it needs to continue to grow forward & not backwards. The devs know this already. It's their job. The global community needs to understand this as well and of course it's important for us to be involved. But there's so much nonsense coming from the global side, that it makes growth much more difficult than it otherwise needs to be.

[@Zodaize]

Don't think, just consume product and then be excited for next product ! Nay-sayers ? Nah ! They must be ALL WRONG ! The game can't be bad and 100% focused on gacha cosmetics, the 60k peak on Steam on NGS launch to the 2k numbers of today CLEARLY show those 58k players were WRONG for disliking this absolute great game.

[@Spikesxu]

Prime example.

[@Zodaize]

@@Spikesxu It's kinda cute that you don't even understand or have a grasp of why the majority of players consider NGS to be a pretty bad online game. The only 3 reasons you can justify liking NGS are: 1- Your standards in gaming are trash-level 2- You enjoy living in your own gaming echo-chamber (more of this one later) 3- You are ERP addicted You say this is a Global Only problem because we were spoiled on 2020-21 by the fast pace of PSO2, right ? Then why JP community answered MORE negatively than Global when NGS launched in the surveys to Sega back in Retem ? You're repeating the same bullshit argument that has been parroted forever in the Global side of the community ---> Global was actually MORE LENIENT to NGS than JAPAN ! And you say that people are sheeple, the BIG majority of the community are just sheeps, no ? Well, you don't want that to change, you in fact, want to take advantage of that supposed low inteligence/autonomy so they can start repeating POSITIVE feedback instead of the current NEGATIVE. You don't want the betterment of the community , you just want them to parrot undeserved positivity to create the opposite echo-chamber just like the meme of that dog inside the house that's on fire - "It's just fine". When pso2 launched on PC back in May 2020 I convinced my friends to play, and we have a crazy good time with it for months. When NGS came noone stayed and even If I convince them to check the big updates and played a couple of days, noone liked the game. Why ? Because it's a bad game for the general public, noone wants to play NGS when there's better open world mmo's out there. It's a game that's impossible to recommend to anyone and on top of that the first thing they see when they log in is the ERP squad saying cringy stuff in Central City so it's the worst first impression. Your take on the game is delusional and it shows on the like/dislike ratio and almost noone agrees with you on the comments. I wonder why ?

[@urnoob5528]

@@Spikesxu man this clown cant even fight back

[@AzariusR]

Game development had changed since the golden era of MMOs, now MMOs are labelled as part of Live Services and now F2P Live Services are competing against Mobile game gachas which is a constant losing game unless they keep monetizing their game. The differences that is however, PSO2NGS is a very F2P friendly game in comparison to most of the F2Ps, but they are not looking at this game as a hardcore style MMO like their past titles anymore because they knew most of their playerbases are now mostly casual or have irl jobs and stuff to do, so they had to also cater to mostly them and try to balance between hard and easy content. If the game doesn't cater to you, just play other games. That is the only way if you wanna change the game. So far from what I've seen playercounts still are consistent so it really just means nothing is going to change at all. Keep in mind you also had to account what the JP players think too and why they are fine with the game as is.

[@conqueror345]

There's a problem with the game, AND the community. The game is total ass, there's literally nothing to do except chase the almost impossible to get weapon, attend every single day because the fear of missing out for stuff that will never be important to you. The 'community' you're speaking about is just as toxic as the game is, and its their fault for just not leaving the game, because SEGA is truly an evil company for creating a game like this, and psychologically trapping people in. Just leave, and let it die, as it should.

[@Spikesxu]

Hello and good day to you! I'm sorry you feel this way about the game. I would recommend trying out other games that better suit your playstyle if PSO2 NGS is not for you. As is the case with everything in life, certain things may not be for you, even if they are for others. It would appear your prefer more casual games, or games that are more horizontal, versus NGS's vertical format. Which is completely understandable. There is definitely a huge list of games out there that you could give a shot that might better satisfy your playstyle!

[@TheDeFiler316]

If 80% of the community is great then why are you concentrating on that 20% that are not happy? If 80% of the community is great then shouldnt it be triving? Well its not and there are a lot of reason as to why. You just dont care to see or acknowledge it.

[@Spikesxu]

If that's what you took away from this entire discussion, bless your heart.

[@TheDeFiler316]

@Spikesxu My man, if you think the community is the biggest reason as to why this game is struggling, you're missing the point entirely. Sega is a big reason but the game keep chugging along because of the whales who keep throwing money at scratches. As long as they keep paying Sega could care less about the rest of the players.

[@6-1-1]

Most of the community have been giving constructed criticism and feedback with the game. Not everybody are just complaining just to complain. Ppl love the game but also giving respectfully feedback. I don't like the fact you're taking it as only complaining because its misleading your viewers and making it seem the community only do is complain which isnt true. So many games got better because the team took the criticisms and learned from it. Like yes some ppl over do it and cry without explaining whats their problem with the game. At the end of the day players who play this game have the right to give their opinions even if we don't agree on it.

[@Spikesxu]

I would not say, "most of the community" has been giving constructive criticism. People within the community give constructive criticism and always have, but a good portion of the community's (global) input is not constructive. And the way that issues are presented or talked about, are often far from constructive. I wish that it was actually the case that everyone gave respectful feedback, but the truth of the matter is that, that is simply not the case with the Global community. In the JP community, I'm sure this is more likely the case. In Global, it is not. There is a very fine difference between complaining and constructive criticism. A very fine clear cut line. There is no attempt here to mislead anyone. Just a need to bring attention to a matter that others may be too scared to really discuss or bring to light. And yes indeed, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

[@6-1-1]

I do agree with you that a lot of players do doom post a lot and say stuff like "ded game" and I can't lie it's pretty annoying to see. It gives no proper feedback and it becomes toxic. It's just that I also see pso2 mods from the official discord delete feedback and constructed criticism posts from the channel and that's disgusting behavior by them because it contradicts what they believe in. I do believe a lot of players are frustrated with the state of the game and because of that you have two sides of the player base, toxic individuals who do nothing but hate post and others who give feedback and feel they aren't being listened to. I'm on ship 2 and sometimes I see both sides of the party and I can only say my side of things. I'm still new to NGS( started day 1 on the PS4 global launch) and I have never experienced base game, so I can't say much about that. Btw sorry for writing a long paragraph, I just wanted to say my thoughts about the video. I don't 100% disagree with the video but I feel it isn't fair to say the majority of the global community

[@Spikesxu]

@@6-1-1 Don't apologize for the long post. I believe it's very important to have proper discussion and to properly vocalize what you're meaning to say. Some people want the short non thought out responses, or the immediate grabs. You'll often see "nobody's reading that", when someone posts a long post. Because people are too ignorant to want to understand or grab the whole picture. I am not one of those types. I respect dialogue and I respect the want to fully and clearly explain your point of view and stance in a constructive, respectful & well thought out manner. Never feel the need to apologize for properly presenting your stance and trying to make it as clear and understandable as possible. 😁

[@TheAnonymousAgent]

NGS does a lot of things right, that the base game doesn't do. Cosmetics for instance, used to take space instead of being tickets and it was horrible for inventory management. I love grinding but it could be better than rat race pse bursts farms. But people complain for a reason. We practically had a Lamborghini back in base and now were riding on a honda civic with missing car parts, but with a shiny coat of paint added (oooo pwetty gwaphics!!), because car services for the lambo have been discontinued You know what's funny? The people that never played Base game and just started playing NGS a couple of months ago think their opinions on NGS matter. These same people are always pooping on the base game for the sake of spiting the people complaining at the watered down slop sega calls ngs. If anything we are doing you a favor by making you realize that if sega is willing to kill their golden goose for slop, NGS won't be any different and will end up the same ten years down the line from now.

[@Spikesxu]

PSO2 Base was not their golden goose. In its prime back in the early 2010s when it was originally released, yes. At the end of its life, no. And PSO2 Base was not abandoned. It was on its death bed. Please try to understand that and look towards what's necessary for the future.

[@lescarea]

Everyone's opinion on the state of a game matter, regardless of how long you've played. That comment has real classic Andy energy lmao. Also base was pretty bad or downright mid for large parts of its lifespan, with some horrible systems that nobody ever wants to talk about because they look at base with rose tinted glasses because ep 6 was good. NGS is far from a great game but it does specific things, like cosmetics really well; better than any mmorpg on the market actually, but man it really needs to focus on gameplay loop, gearing and class design/balance and then end game content.

[@Spikesxu]

@@lescarea Indeed

[@siccens6168]

It sounds like this games isn't for you either, gg it's not for you.

[@Spikesxu]

It's definitely for me. I enjoy the game very much and will continue to enjoy my experience within the game ☺

[@urnoob5528]

@@Spikesxu man is now committing fallacy of inconsistency breaking his premises and conclusion apart

[@azulleth9401]

I think it's a shift in MMORPG game design, the shift to mostly single player experience with multiplayer slapped on. Older players like you and me still push ourselves to do our best for personal reasons and other people we play with. But a lot of younger/spoiled/entitled players just do not give a shit about other people. I deal with NGS from a non biased point of view because there is no perfect MMORPG. I feel like Criticaster was correct NGS is fun and can have some good content but when it's the only thing we can do then it leads to fatigue and burnout. The Recent Units from LQ drop rate is to low but I decided to keep focusing on Leciel and reached 153.0 Potency &17.5dmg res, it was hell to grind but like you said if it was to easy then I would not feel any sense of achievement. I stayed on JP and to be honest it was probably the best decision I ever made out of the +15 years playing MMORPG. JP has it's own problems but the community is not one of them.

[@Spikesxu]

Great input! And yes it definitely sounds like you & I are similar in that regard & come from an MMORPG era that indeed, we are used to trying our best not only for ourselves but for the other people around us. We enjoy a challenge as well as the feeling of accomplishment after putting that effort forward. And indeed we are now in a society that it is extremely more self centered. This is very much an issue with global/western throughput. In past MMORPG days, Global & JP servers were often one. But honestly, I fully understand why JP companies would absolutely not want their servers to be mixed with Global Servers, in today's world. As you said, the JP NGS game may have its own problems, but the community is not one of them. This is generally the case.

[@theblingcycle]

great points. i basically have to enjoy the game separate from the community with my irls. on the official discord its just bad faith whining and complaining so close-minded too, on fleet everyone is rude as hell and the mods power trip and ban people to win arguments they themselves start. In-game im constantly being hit on to the point that i ignore whispers and had public chat disabled for most of last year. The creativity in the community is so lacking, its all centered on the meta and being optimal they treat it like a job. There's virtually no casual PSO2NGS content on youtube its almost exclusively news and meta analysis/speedruns. Your comments below are correct: the community destroys the community. there are a lot of cliques and powertripping mods in the community boards/servers. the kind of rude treatment ive received over a difference in opinion or building defense in my gear... The game to me is amazing while having its flaws and a very receptive dev team, but the community is so bad usually that i miss the social aspect.

[@Spikesxu]

Great input! I definitely hear you in your gripes & experiences! Especially such as how you had to mute public chat at one point & having to ignore whispers. As, I've definitely seen people have to mute public chat because public chat could sometimes get very out of hand, or the fact that there are indeed some creeps on the game that will whisper you & try to make advances or say weird things. I've experienced this much as well. In regards to your stance on the meta & whatnot, this is why I teach & inform the way I do. It's an MMO & ultimately you should enjoy it how you should want to enjoy it. I will never force you into a play style, but I will instead give you the information necessary for you to understand how you want to uniquely go about playing your class, whilst still understanding the foundational values as to why certain things are done a certain way. Because naturally, there are key things that make huge differences in the playing experience of yourself & others. Being forced into a one-way meta is not enjoyable however. Though many people will try to strong-arm you into it & almost shame you if you're not following the meta to a T. Which is not the way to go about things. Understand the foundation, then tweak it to your playstyle. Is how it should go. The game is indeed amazing and like any game has its flaws, but yes indeed, the community unfortunately played a very big role in the struggles that the game has endured in its lifespan. That being said, the community has gotten better since the posting of this video. Which helps pave a way for seeds to be replanted!

[@theblingcycle]

@@Spikesxu Well said!

[@ZAYAWEIRDO]

Tbh u say that the community complains too much but won't won't address y they complain. There was a time when the global community was respectful about their criticism but the Community managers started to delete the actual criticism this lead to the global community got frustrated and became what it it today (which is actually reasonable) but for some reason u completely avoid this topic and repeat urself for about 11 mins

[@Spikesxu]

Hello and thanks for your input! I implore you to re watch the video and actually listen to the points being discussed and covered. As, it is very clear that you did not entirely follow what was being addressed here in its entirety. I also implore you to feel how you feel and not do so, as I can pretty confidently guess that you likely will not. You're entitled to your own opinion. Regardless of which choice you decide on, I'm sure we'll both be just fine. Have a great day!

[@ZAYAWEIRDO]

@@Spikesxu I understand what ur saying I just think ur wrong. Ur doing exactly what Sega did when game first came out. U make a video ppl respond with criticism and u don't even respond correctly I just repeat what u said b4 and say have a great day which frustrates ppl and lead to ppl leaving more aggressive comments about the video. If u actually cared about downfall of the game u would be willing to actually debate with ppl on the topic (which u said that I are willing to) but instead u leave rlly weird messages like this. I just said a bunch of things pertaining to ur video and u just say " I don't think u understood the video"... like what?

[@Spikesxu]

​@@ZAYAWEIRDO You stated right off the jump that, and I quote, "u say that the community complains too much but won't won't address y they complain." This opening statement in itself is already setting a false pretense to your stance or, "argument". And shows a lack thereof understanding of the full context in what was being addressed within this video. Make no mistake. I am all for conversation and respectful dialogue. However, I will not engage in meaningless attempts to simply "argue", based on someone cherry picking their viewpoint and attempting to contort the entirety of what was actually being addressed. Especially when there's a clear mockery & lack of respect or want for meaningful conversation by the responding party, which was further clearly shown by your closing line, and I quote, " but for some reason u completely avoid this topic and repeat urself for about 11 mins". If you do not address me with respect, you will get absolutely nowhere with me. Please understand that. As such, there is zero point to "play ball" or "entertain" such an approach. As it is clear, that you are not looking for structured dialogue in which addresses what was actually addressed within this video. Your intent is instead, to derail and contort. Which I will not partake in. As such, I implore you to hold on to your opinion, as it is yours to keep. And I wish you a good day.​

[@ZAYAWEIRDO]

First off I was completely respectful what ur doing is cherry picking for whatever reason which I can only assume is because u don't anything to actually respond with but i digress. second off, i was not trying to derail or contort ur argument but rather point out the flaws and inconsistencies with ur argument (2 very different things). As to the part when i said "u completely avoid this topic and repeat urself for about 11 mins" this statement wasn't mad out of a certain dislike towards u but bc it was the truth. u repeat the words "The community just complains" for the entirety of this video. In which I responded the way I did and u still choose to ignore it and not engage in the constructive criticism that u want the community of pso2 to take part in, much like what SEGA does. This caused other ppl in ur comments to become frustrated and leave aggressive comments. If u don't have any intentions of actually debating the points i bring up in my first reply then all I will say from here on out is "Be the change that U want to see" and I think this quote goes especially to U (with all due respect ofc) @@Spikesxu

[@Spikesxu]

@@ZAYAWEIRDO Have a good day and a great rest of your week! This conversation is done.

[@ShaknunicPT-BR]

Yeah, you say community is complaining, but you are too about the community complaining, so you and community makes no difference

[@Spikesxu]

The crazy part is that you think that you did something by this comment.

[@chashbandicoot]

I guess the community doesn't deserve a quality game

[@Spikesxu]

The community deserves a quality game. In the same way that the game deserves a quality community. It must be seen from both sides.

[@chashbandicoot]

@@Spikesxu well your not going see that if people are still supporting the bad behavior and the fact sega is not putting much effort in to the game

[@Fanfrit1]

I loved base pso2, it was an awesome game, i dont want ngs to be the same but based pso2 felt like like a inmersive experience, every UQ was like doing something, like making a change in that fantastic world. Ngs feels so empty to me. Yes, most of the commuyty is very toxic in that regard but players dont complain just because.

[@Spikesxu]

Indeed. it's important that they are two different games and remain as such. NGS is a brand new path for SEGA, wheras PSO2 followed the exact same format that they'd been using since 2000. So naturally, PSO2 Base had many years to continue to improve. And of course, this ultimately showed. As PSO2 Base was fairly empty upon release, it did start to become more full to an extent as the game's life continued to move on. Though in its latter years, it did begin to stagnate once again. As someone who started playing PSO2 Base back in 2012 on JP release, I can tell you PSO2 had lots of ups & downs in its tenure. As, most MMORPG/Adventures do. No one is saying that NGS does not need work. It does. Just like everything does. But people have to understand that they have to let the devs do their thing. And also understand to appreciate the game that we do have, as we strive for better. And they have to understand that this game is NOT PSO2 Base. I can not stress that enough. So they need to stop trying to force it to be like it, and constantly trying to compare it to these old standards that were used & dying out after 20 years of the same format. It's the constant trying to make the game like Base, the constant comparing, the constant trying to force the Base ideologies onto even newer players, that has caused so many inconsistences in what we actually need & what we have gotten. A lot of issues with what we've received is very much a side result of the community. As you stated, you're aware how toxic the community is as well. As I mentioned on numerous occasions within the video, it is good to have constructive criticism. Absolutely this is good for growth. However, much of the community does not understand the difference between flat out complaining & actually constructive conversation. For instance, doom posting is not constructive. Aimlessly complaining about content that you have not even engaged in, is not constructive. etc etc. The community (specifically global) has to do and be better, in order for the game to truly do & be better.

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

In general, I agree with your sentiment. One of the reasons I'm on the JP server (besides being a speaker of Nipponese).

[@Jami_Bu]

JamiDJ - I quit listening to the community months ago. I play this game because I enjoy it.

[@Spikesxu]

That's the correct mind state to have!

[@scrubscrub4492]

The biggest problem with NGS is that they actively sabotaged PSO2 multiple times in order to try and force people to play it.

[@Spikesxu]

PSO2's time was up. It had a solid 9 year run. 9 years is a very long time for a game to be around & still be getting updates. After playing PSO2 from 2012 JP launch, I personally left the franchise in 2017. This was shortly after Scion Classes were first introduced. As someone who has been playing PSO since Dreamcast in 2000, they essentially did the same thing for 20 years. Which was cool and all, but it was time for a change. I can 100% say I would not be playing PSO today if it weren't for New Genesis being completely different than all the PSO games had been for the prior 21 years up to its release. There was no where left to go with that format. Can that format be revisited in the future, sure. But there needed to be something completely fresh & brand new to sustain the series. New Genesis has done this by leaps & bounds and continues to improve every day. I'm sorry that your nostalgia is preventing you from enjoying New Genesis and I hope that you can find a game more suitable to your tastes!

[@scrubscrub4492]

@@Spikesxu It's less nostalgia and more that I don't like how New Genesis feels at all, and they actively sabotaged a game that I do like in order to promote one that I wouldn't have even touched if it didn't have the Phantasy Star name on it and wasn't quite literally forced down my throat. I do not like open world games, I do not like combat that's designed to be "seamless", and I do not like heavily simplified game systems. I want to actively have to think about attack timings and every input I make, and strongly prefer games that have their own form of jank and systems that you are forced to work with or around.

[@Spikesxu]

​@@scrubscrub4492 ​ That's understandable that the game is not of your preference. I wouldn't say they "sabotaged" PSO2 Base however. Because it was either it was handled the way it was, by trying their best to move players over, or PSO2 just would've been left dead cold turkey. Both outcomes, PSO2 would've been placed on a backburner. So it's kind of just pick your poison I guess. PSO2's life was coming to an end no matter which way the image was placed, so it was just a matter of how they were going to do it. People will always be hesitant to change, which is understandable. However, the PSO franchise had absolutely no future going forward if they would've stayed on the PSO2 track. There was no room for growth whatsoever. As they'd been doing the same format for 20 years. Everyone will have their preferences and it's impossible to make everyone happy in any game or any life scenario. So, naturally, it's to be expected that the game may not be for some, while it is for others. There's many people who started playing New Genesis first who have the same views that you have on NGS, but instead towards Base when they tried it. Ultimately in order to bring new people in however, New Genesis was 100% necessary. Especially from a business/company standpoint.

[@scrubscrub4492]

@@Spikesxu Okay, thank you for this comment, as it helped me figure out how to explain things in a completely unbiased manner. Much of the problem with NGS lies in the name in and of itself. Phantasy Star is no stranger to experimentation, and has several entries with highly varied gameplay compared to each other. However, the existence of Phantasy Star Universe shows that "Online" in the title is not a requirement for an MMO-like structured Phantasy Star Game, and Phantasy Star Online 2 cemented the concept of "PSO" as a series rather than an explanation. This concept of PSO over its 20 years in existence has been a heavily mechanical dungeon crawler with a focus on both environmental ambiance and somewhat over the top bosses, all tied together with gameplay based around timing mechanics. By calling itself "Phantasy Star ONLINE 2: New Genesis", it is actively fighting against the series' own identity in almost every aspect. I do not believe your enjoyment of the game would be reduced much if it were released with its own client and simply called "Phantasy Star Genesis". However, it being pushed as a continuation of PSO2 has not only killed off the base game due to a lack of support and outsider confusion, but the forced integration with the base game has also caused various issues to PSO2. On top of what was already known in regards to the graphics, many players were unable to play PSO2 anymore due to being unable to launch and get through NGS' increased system requirements, and I personally had a period of multiple months after the Retem update in which clearing any quest in PSO2 would crash the game, making it effectively unplayable. What you said about PSO2 being a dead end is subjective; and even if it was correct, individual series within a franchise can sometimes be lost to time. However, attempting to forcibly push New Genesis into PSO2's playerbase at the expense of people who loved PSO as-is instead of simply introducing it as a new spinoff of its own made things worse for all groups. Now, there are plenty of problems with New Genesis on its own, but how they handled its introduction was possibly the worst issue for it.

[@Spikesxu]

​@@scrubscrub4492 One thing we can both definitely agree on is the name choice definitely does/did cause confusion. Even upon the game's initial release most outsiders did not understand that it was a new entity entirely and it took a long time for people to not think it was just some Expansion to the original Base game, no different than something you would see in WoW or FFXI when a new region & storyline is added, etc. This without a doubt impacted New Genesis and can create confusion to people not familiar with the franchise. With that being said, people not familiar with the franchise will only know New Genesis. It's not until they get on New Genesis, that they will see people lobby grinding complaining about how much New Genesis is not Base. And it's real easy for when they ask someone about Base, the first thing they say is something along the lines of "It's the better version of NGS, SEGA killed it, this game sucks, etc etc". Then they go into some rant about the game & its differences and how much they enjoyed that & this & that. Meanwhile, the new player is just kind of like ??? And it leaves for a bad taste in the mouth. Consider like how a relationship would work if you or the partner is still carrying baggage for no reason from their previous relationship, into the new one. Ultimately, you create a scenario that sets you up for failure immediately by bringing that into something fresh & new. Now, PSO2 and PSO2 New Genesis could've indeed existed together, but now that creates for split resources. It's no different than how any other PSO game came before. When PSO2 Ver 2 on Dreamcast came out, the original PSO stopped receiving much support until it was just PSO Ver 2. Or for a more general understandable comparison, picture it like a new device. Lets say, a mobile smart phone. When the new device comes out, the older device immediately enters its death spin. While new features may be added to it, they're at much lesser degrees than the newer product and of lesser frequencies. Until they stop receiving support all together. Keep in mind. PSO2 was 9 years old at the time New Genesis came out. For reference, the gap between PSUniverse & PSO2 was 6 years. PSO2 Base was a dead end. And with changing times in gaming & how the product (games & mmos) is now consumed, creating another game that did exactly what they'd been doing since 2000, was simply not going to get the job done. What else more can you realistically do that you haven't done in the last 20 years confined in that exact same format? I don't believe SEGA tried to "force" people to go to New Genesis, moreso than them kindly saying "yo, this game is going to shut down. We are not updating it. It's been 9 years. There's nothing more we can do here." New Genesis is a massive project and the devs always knew this. And I for one, respect what they have done & the scale of which they have done things that you will not see in any other game. If anything, it showed that they care about the community by trying to guide them to the next step. Knowing that some people would get off the train, but others would be glad to stay with the family. If anything, this could've been partially avoided by them simply saying hey, PSO2 is dead. Here's New Genesis. Because ultimately, that's what the scenario was. However, the goal was always to implement PSO2 into New Genesis seamlessly. An ambitious plan, most certainly. Could this have been done better? Sure. Did it cause technical issues for some? Sure. Was it necessary? Absolutely. The issue with the community, especially in its beginning & specifically it's western community. Is that most of them were fed 8 years of content within the span of a year. This created the illusion that the game had so much more. Many people took this mentality, along with everything else we've been discussing, into New Genesis and immediately created a divided community and in a sense, a gate kept community that could not nurture anything. Because the minute you'd put a seed into the ground, some angry individual would come around & dig the seed up, ensuring that nothing could grow here, because they couldn't let go of the past. You'll never know new life if you never give new life a chance. Change is an important aspect of life. And one that is necessary for growth.

[@ngshighlites7507]

Actually I again haven’t noticed any of this stuff. However today I will complain about playing the game but still not being able to reach certain goals. I feel when LC capsules came out the gap between casual and non casual players began and is expanding more and more. After spending all my meseta and a lot of SG and time I think I’m still near the bottom of the totem pole. With all that though I’m just not gonna play the game for a bit. Time to watch some movies and go outside more. Maybe complain about the hot weather 😂

[@Spikesxu]

Getting high level gear is extremely easy now. Especially with the addition of EX Augments & Eredims. LC Augments make this easier, as well as crazy campaigns that have been going on that allows much greater accessibility to top tier augments. The gearing discrepancy and gap has greatly gotten better. It has shrunk by substantial levels. And I mean absolutely substantial. The gearing discrepancy was 1000x worse before LC augments were introduced, and at the height of how bad it was, was when Neos Astreans were the meta weapon & the original Dark Falz Aegis UQ was the current meta UQ. I wish you peace & fun on your break!

[@InuzakaNaze]

Complainer complains about complains

[@Spikesxu]

Hello! Thanks for your input and I hope you have a great rest of your day!

[@mirumizure]

Global was a mistake lmao

[@theUeki49]

This video seems more like you're too tired of hearing/seeing complaints which is dulling your acknowledgement on how bad alot those issues truly are. Don't know if you will even read this or are willing to acknowledge this but I'm willing to talk to give you a different perspective on the plight players. I use to play on ship 2 (quit playing last week but I'm still holding hope for major issues to finally be addressed). If your willing to talk I'll be streaming later today at 10am est (gmt-4) on twitch. This isn't a plug I just like seeing other people's mindsets on certain issues in regards to improvements on this game.

[@Spikesxu]

I read all comments. There is no dulling. As, there is no, "lack of acknowledgement". There are issues with the game. Just as there are much grander issues with the community itself and how it has and continues to directly effect the game and its direction and growth. Your comment was an attempt at a plug. If discussion was genuinely wanted, other more direct means of contacting me would've been taken or presented. Or simply, the exclusion of the plug in itself altogether. I hope you have a great weekend!

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

@@Spikesxu I've never really understood the anti-plug stance so long as whoever does it adds to the discussion, is genuine, and isn't annoying about it. Self-promotion isn't always a bad thing. Only when it gets out of hand or is dishonest.

[@urnoob5528]

@@Spikesxu yup i see the issue i see that this "community" includes u

[@chungwow5412]

This video is a joke right? You are whats wrong with the game. I love it but you want to lie about how bad it really is.

[@Spikesxu]

This video is not a joke. Thank you for your input and I hope you have happy holidays!

[@rokmare]

The thing is PSO Community isnt a hivemind different player want diffirent things from the game the casuals who only care about fashion just want look good and dont care for hard content and would rather spend most of their time in salon/creative space while you have the hardcore who spend most of their time and meseta having BIS gear and want hardcore content the communtiy is spilt and sega cant make changes without angering the other IMO I think PSO ngs is a casual/social game now given how many people had trouble with the recent LTQ or LC I doubt the majority even has the gear or BP to even do Dark faz Solus and I dont blame them Sega has spend the majority of NGS development doing AC scratches and relaseing casual content up to this point so the recent difficulty spike will turn people off I dont expect Sega to continue releasing hardcore content in the future after this

[@urnoob5528]

MATE PUNCTUATIONS EXIST

[@rokmare]

@@urnoob5528 not every word need to be in capital ether lol

[@KuraiBeat]

ngs has much potency and sega waste much potency of the game bcz. sega want a massive goldcow i think the game sucks for me bcz. iam not interests in all 1-2weeks fashion iam a gamer of mmoarpgs not a dressupgame player or a builder :D its not all bad at the game but i think if you look at the roadmaps from begin till now was the tiniest thing ever only the story i have all classes max lv and all add skills maxed and all equic finished whats to doo? the casuals has it really good i grind till burnout and get nothing (in the game it was only a bit of meseta and only trashloot if you at the moment you think 3month grind vs not grind and save 300€ wattage bill and buy 300€ ac and play an other game :D the last months i was 1500hours gaming at ngs and i loot nothing i want .... so enought drama of a hardcore grinder) i loved base but sega kills it! i loved it at jp and na but at ngs i dont know what i was thinking maybe for more then only boring grinding :D at the atm update i was thinking oh nice duealquest gets easier ... nope the mobs i need the same time as befor and loose often bcz. a hit in the face at overload it 2400hp down and play the last 50% boss hp without heal :D

[@Spikesxu]

The game indeed has many different playstyles and elements that people like to focus on. Grinding, Fashion, Building, etc etc. It's important to find the playstyle that fits you and the amount of play time that best suits your continued enjoyment of the game! 😁

[@ghostshepherd6749]

5hank you. Subbed

[@Spikesxu]

Glad I was able to help!

[@TheEXGamemaster]

Still gonna poke fun at the game