Alex LEON (Game, Connection, and Social Freedom)

[@psychacks]

Follow Alex on KZbin: www.youtube.com/@alexleonlife/ Follow Alex on Instagram: instagram.com/alexovertheocean/ I was excited to be able to sit down with Alex Leon recently. I've personally followed Alex -- and the other coaches @TheNaturalLifestyles -- for years. They give men solid, actionable advice on pick-up and seduction without the sleaze. In this long-form discussion, Alex and I discuss the process of building an emotional connection, the use of non-verbal cues to communicate intent, and the state of pick up in the modern age. Social Media Facebook: facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090053889622 LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/orion-taraban-070b45168/ Instagram: instagram.com/psyc.hacks Twitter: twitter.com/oriontaraban Website: oriontarabanpsyd.com Orion's Theme: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaO7c62HZ613e7M Thinking of going to grad school? Check out STELLAR, my top-rated GRE self-study program based on the world's only empirically-validated test prep system. Use the code "PSYCH" for 10% off all membership plans: stellargre.com. Become a Stellar affiliate and earn a 10% commission for every membership purchased by a new student you conduct into the program: stellargre.tapfiliate.com. GRE Bites: www.youtube.com/@grebites4993 Become a Psychonaut and join PsycHack's member community: kzbin.info/door/SduXBjCHkLoo_y9ss2xzXwjoin Book a paid consultation: oriontarabanpsyd.com/consultations Sponsor an episode: oriontarabanpsyd.com/sponsor-an-episode Sound mixing/editing by: valntinomusic.com Presented by Orion Taraban, Psy.D. PsycHacks provides viewers with a brief, thought-provoking video several days a week on a variety of psychological topics, inspired by his clinical practice. The intention is for the core idea contained within each video to inspire viewers to see something about themselves or their world in a slightly different light. The ultimate mission of the channel is to reduce the amount of unnecessary suffering in the world. #psychology #dating #attraction

[@alexleonlife]

I REALLY enjoyed having this conversation! Hopefully the viewers could gain some new perspectives. Thanks for having me Orion keep in touch ✌

[@Zero_Zero_Zero_Zero]

Thanks for platforming guys that smash without hating on women doc. We get a bit hard out here, and we need you to help us moderate. I'm serious. Genuine public service. Much appreciated.

[@emanuelnicolescu5015]

Been following Natural Lifestyles for quite a while. This is truly an unexpected collab! Looking forward to listening to it 💪

[@DelasVC]

Bro, you're really connecting with _everybody_ atm! Bring the good stuff coming, learning (or getting confirmed) so much from your content!

[@Denmosocial]

Fastest click of me life Alex is the best

[@paulm7666]

Why do you think that? It’s just marketing with TNL and over expensive infield coaching. There are better coaches out there.

[@kingsolitaire1992]

Bro PLEASE drop a vid with dr orion, you guys would change the game, im in yo discord shout out to u bro

[@Louisadamson]

Yeah, I found James Marshall probably 12 years ago, and when Alex joined in watching his progression was memorable. I spoke with Alex on a video call about a year ago, and his wisdom and credibility in this realm was clear.

[@zoso9391]

I'm loving this podcast/interview type of videos. Not only you are bringing some really interesting people, but I think this might be the highest level of conversation about these topics at the moment

[@jtrealfunny]

Interesting guest who seems solid in where he's coming from. I haven't watched all of this but to me the guests approach seems very analytical and practical, which is perhaps right for him, and the hosts approach is more developmental and internal, which is perhaps right for him. I would mention learning to enjoy the whole process and then every part of it becomes rewarding and fun. If you don't need anything and are just open to possibilities things can develop, you learn and grow, and it can all be relaxed and positive... provided you're not scared or looking for a particular outcome. All the practicing and learned techniques doesn't resonate with me but everyone is different. Take it from the man.

[@damianorosco3393]

Orion! My fellow Bay Area native. I’m from Hayward. Glad to see you moving on up and content is growing. Heard from Myron on Fresh&Fit say you were coming in Friday. When I heard that, I yelled “yeah! Finally!” Hope to bump into you sometime.

[@Royster931]

Alex is so chilled. I really relate to his outlook

[@GreenAlien2023]

Was pretty nuts to see this pop up - I've also been following TNL for many years, but I've also been to two of their conferences and have even had personal one on one coaching with one of their regular guest coaches. More recently I started avidly following your channel, so to suddenly see this conversation pop up was a lovely surprise!

[@RyuHadokenMaster]

Orion, I love these conversation videos! It's helpful to just hear two men discuss their journey of successes and struggles. The manosphere needs more content like this and less "Modern 304 gets owned!"

[@None_of_your_business666]

Pick up is supposed to be fun. In Latin-America this is part of our regular existence and we don't think so much about it. Although all that is said here is on point. Without falling into narcissism, I think the most important thing is to understand that it is fun to spend time with you and that you invite the other to share some of that, which was said here at the beginning, and if they don't want its OK.

[@RockJohnson2000]

Great show gents

[@CelestialTrieye]

1:06:00 Social Media is free because YOU are the product.

[@Appleloucious]

One Love! Always forward, never ever backward!! ☀☀☀ 💚💛❤ 🙏🏿🙏🙏🏼

[@blurglide]

James Marshall 21 convention speech really impacted my life in a great way when I found myself single for the first time at 34

[@joko9]

Which one exactly?

[@andrewbolton5469]

Thanks Alex, great advise as usual.

[@IamKrystalHardwick]

It’s very interesting to hear his perspective on preference in region to live for the femininity of women and quality of life. Not bad reasons at all. Thanks for this podcast, was not expecting it. You both seem to come from very different worlds literally and figuratively.

[@MasonAveKid437]

As a guy who’s 39, what’s hit me lately is being perceived as creepy if I’m going for a girl in her early 20’s. Now I prefer women in the 25-35 range, but sometimes it is hard to tell and the most attractive women are in their early 20’s. So any thoughts on dealing with that?

[@simon-fk2ye]

This!

[@miccysenpai9334]

Perceived as creepy by who? If it's someone in your social circle (friends, family, coworkers) ignore it, they're full of shit. If it's the girl you approach you're either not confident enough or don't know how to keep her interested. It's normal for women to CRAVE older men as long as you steer from the Herbert the pervert stereotype.

[@Ryanrobi]

If your a white guy Especially if your tall and have blue eyes or blond hair going to Asia or South America is like making yourself Brad Pitt over night, so far my fav places are Philippines and Mexico. Another strategy that can work if you can't get out of the country especially in like America or Canada is dating mostly immigrants like college students this works less and less all the time because girls are getting indoctrinated in college but I had some pretty good luck dating smoking hot Indian girls in America, If they grew up in India they know what it's really like to be in the patriarchy and often laugh at the local chick's going on and on about how oppressed they are while they get their PhD at Cornell or Dartmouth.

[@mattmenshevik]

Thank you for your guidance, sensei. I have all three of those qualities and I'm about to genghis khan my genes across Asia.

[@KerryKlein-f6m]

Honestly speaking this interview is just so unexpected and I look up to the two of them, MAN keep it that way, but I have a question why is Alex not Being MODE ONE like alan roger currie

[@zag7531]

I'd be very interested to hear Orion's take on MODE ONE and the work of the late Alan Roger Currie

[@brad6742]

Depends, for simps leading with you know what might actually get more positive results. Try it both ways. I don't trust this guest, he's saying what he thinks we want to hear. I've seen this kind of personality/persona/schtick in my ex's ua/russian/"feminine bs" "budhist friends" lol. Also his communication style is too p.c., which adds a lot of noise in the noise-to-signal ratio / information entropy, making it harder to learn from. Still fun and valuable! Thank you Orion for another great vid, you're the clearest and most efficient communicator in this field.

[@edwardyoutube]

About the first part: these are very valid arguments, but they're often unlikely to be adaptable to the actual reality of dating today, unfortunately. Most women are so structured or so money/status driven that they likely would sense a "too good to be true" or a "not fulfilling my agenda" kind of vibe from a man offering this kind of interaction. Most women will ghost you if: 1. You offer them more connection than they can take; 2. You don't invest money on them. However I agree that this should be the way of dating, ideally, and I switched to this mindset myself, since I no longer care about quantity. Be your(best)self and connect with like-minded women only. Also, women will let you know when they'd like to be approached, just watch the body language. About the second part: confidence comes from being able to do something successfully on a regular basis. If you are rejected more than 50% of the time on average you will develop resilience at being rejected, and you will then develop a disinterest in the whole process of attempting. It's evolutionary, we tend to stop doing things we fail at. Rather than insisting on something that doesn't work for you why not develop a different strategy? Maybe become successful enough that women will approach you instead? Or relocating, as suggested in the video?

[@beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488]

Orion, do you have a mailing address where i can send you a short book? It has a completely different perspective than most on cold approach. It came out around the time of The Game, and unfortunately the author passed away last year, but i think youll find it absolutely mind blowing.

[@sergio_ra]

What’s the book?

[@beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488]

@@sergio_ra Mode One by Alan Roger Currie, who interestingly enough used to speak at sasha daygames direct dating summit. Sasha and James Marshall (who started the pickup company the interviewee works for) were super tight and lived together for some time.

[@beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488]

I just saw you're subbed to him so you already know what's up 😂

[@doudou6542]

I would like to know the name of the author?

[@PaulBosMusic]

Tom Torero I presume

[@norwegian24]

Is it possible to learn to become more calibrated? 🙂

[@BackwardshturT]

I'd love for you to sit down with Julien Blanc or Todd V Dating

[@larryrobx]

Great interview, espec a few impromptu tiny bits, e.g. @18:45 Leon: "... I bumped into her, and then I dropped my hot dog ..." Taraban:: Stifling a laugh behind his coffee mug.

[@abrahamhinojosa5178]

Honestly orien I feel like u prolly have better game than him. I think u are WAY smarter and can articulate ur thoughts WAY better I mean ur job is literally fixing broken people lol. I mean I think he has a gentle and delicate vibe and that is definitely something that prolly sets him apart from other aggressive men. But like man ur videos have way more substance I feel like he should be the one interviewing you 😂

[@Ryanrobi]

Yeah the average Dutchman is literally 6 ft tall All up Northern Europe the men are quite tall on average. I am half Finnish and I am 6 ft 2.

[@wizardadmin]

44:20 who said women can not work on herself? In fact, its much easier for a woman to get few SMW points by being slim/athletic than for a man Its also easier for a woman to get more points by being smart/intelligent/accountable than for a man, just because there are fewer such women Obviously, getting from 1 to 10 is not possible but enough to be 3-5 which is average

[@yourgooglemeister6745]

More useful than I thought it would be

[@paulm7666]

Sadly not the best choice of “pickup” company. There are better examples out there. For instance, they don’t have one on one coaching. And for the prices they charge it should be one on one.

[@goofywill90]

What is social freedom

[@codeisme]

Oh, a bit of networking with TNL. Interesting. 7 or 8 years following? Shit its onky been 1 or 2 for me.

[@mco4972]

Having money is a minimum. If you don't have it, she won't be open to emotional connection. She craves the latter, but she would rather from someone with money...

[@Straga_Severa]

Yeah, that's why they chase hot broke guys, even criminals ;-)

[@mco4972]

@@Straga_Severa that's for short term fucking. Long-term she wants the money, beta guy

[@Blazujkilo]

U first😮

[@darkerisbetter8699]

22:25 - What is it that you have to uniquely offer this woman? Perhaps I'm just struggling with self-esteem... but I struggle to frame it as offering some amazing deal to her.

[@jambajoby32]

Dang I just randomly tapped my screen on this comment so it’s totally coincidence but I’ll say I took a few dance lessons and maintaining frame is the most important! Initially I felt like I had to fake it, fake the self esteem and confidence but I’ll tell you, it works for some bizarre reason.. I can’t explain it but I can tell you it gets results. Also I’m a musician so my time and tempo is solid but dancing beyond a simple 2-step, I feel awkward. I’ll encourage you to “fake it” for a little bit! One pointer to “commit to the fake” is talk to a random prett girl w a simple objective like if you’re at the grocery store, ask her what pairs with , let’s say pasta, and once you get ur answer say thanks and walk away! “Hey excuse me, I’m having a hard time pairing something with my dinner. I’m making _____. Do you recommend anything that goes with it?”

[@jambajoby32]

That would just be an example. Just remember the goal is to practice: Cold approach, conversation, confidence and self-esteem. Essentially this process builds you up with small blocks. Eventually you’ll find someone who has mutual attraction and the goal moves from mashed potatoes and asparagus to maybe a date or relationship even! There’s prob other ways but I’ve always felt, when overcoming blind deficiencies, small steps and small successes MUST come first.

[@RyuHadokenMaster]

Don't worry about offering an amazing deal. She will determine that for herself. Your job is to become a better man. Gain experiences, wisdom, competency skills. Build money, muscles, game and frame. A unique experience for a woman is a man in his masculine energy set on his purpose. When you become this they will want to come along for the ride. We've all had to do it. You can too my brother.

[@TalonDeKarrde]

👍🏻

[@truthoutnow]

Wait, what, i don`t have to have a six pack? I disagree sir. A six pack helps you a lot, and i mean A LOT.

[@stroudhamilton5005]

❤

[@Stratton218]

38:28

[@DarkSitari]

James Marshall.... Yeah total con artist.

[@DeniDouetts]

43:30 Leaving one's country solely due to height seems like a jest, doesn't it? Surely, you can't be serious.

[@miccysenpai9334]

It's true though. Height is that big of an issue.

[@ntolman]

Game is garbage. I'm not going to bother if it takes a lot of work for no payoff. If your ugly game won't help you. No amount of exercise will either.

[@sergio_ra]

Get a six pack and try again

[@doudou6542]

Get a wide back with strong shoulders and try again.

[@kaisalis7895]

Do you think ugly people never get in relationships? Game is what makes up for looks. Quit coping

[@miccysenpai9334]

It's funny how women don't complain when men force game but men complain when women force game. Either press start or hit the back button for me.

[@Tales.from.the.Dishpit]

You don't really have to speak to them (for the most part). In a split second, with a seductive glance, you can communicate to them your intentions with your eyes using Mirror Neurons. A "psychack" example is to think of dirty thoughts while looking directly into their eyes.