Colleen Ballinger's 2nd Apology Analysis - (Therapist Reacts)

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Apparently, I misremembered some facts about the allegations. Sorry about that. Truly. I should know better than to rely on my memory for important events like this.

[@Seasick333]

“Apparently” Eh.. I give this apology like a 6/10. You should make a video

[@nunpho]

@@Seasick333 😆

[@saiikik2727]

Shows that you still did not put research into this before making a statement.

[@SnekkySnake]

Regardless I think the video was very well made, I am subscribing

[@desiraesherwood]

The whole Colleen situation is very triggering for people that have been groomed and for the victims. I am not expecting anything from you, but I suggest making a video to follow up on more allegations that were made with substantial evidence. I hope more thought is put into the next apology rating.

[@SoobySays]

Not in PR, but I am in the legal field. One of the reasons a lawyer will tell you not to apologize is because you are opening yourself to legal liability. If you get sued, you have a public admission of guilt. If you must apologize, lawyers will tell you to keep it brief and vague so you can wiggle out of specifics in Court.

[@akmi1931]

Which is smart. Don’t admit to anything that hasn’t been proven in court.

[@emiiii]

Btw, Ethan Klein from H3 gave your channel a shoutout while boasting that you gave him an A+ for his apology 😅😂

[@gennybee]

Family ✌️

[@yogadork_namaste]

"Was it worth all the lie?" 😅

[@nunpho]

Well it's true. He has spoken about this channel a few times.

[@Jamieac4321]

What video was this?

[@elzzz2000]

Just came to comment this!

[@monicaherrera2224]

Her describing her transgressions as “immature and inappropriate” really minimizes the extent of her creepiness. For those who don’t know, here some of the standouts that come to mind: 1. She sent sexually explicit images of Trisha Paytas to children in order to mock her body while pretending to be her friend. 2. Had group chats with her minor fans where she’d ask them sexual questions and shared details about her sex life, including things like the size of the genitals of both her former and current husband. 3. She message fans outside the group chats to create divide, flatter the kids and convince them that *they* were her favorites. 4. Use that very influence to send the kids to harass one of her inner circle fans off the internet once he exposed some of the things she did. 5. Allow for her predator brother to have access to the children in her fan base. This might be on her whole family, since apparently everyone knew he has “issues” with staying away from kids. There are messages where he explicitly asks one of Colleen’s fans their age and continues to flirt after the kid says they’re 13-14. And that is just some of what I remember off the top of my head

[@dandelion_official4812]

Exactly 🤣 Also, calling the facts of the matter "accusations"? What a slap in the face 😬 She also used the "many years ago" sentiment when the truth is that she left the Instagram Weenies chat A FEW MONTHS AGO. How four years of grooming followed by a hate campaign that continues to this day is "not thinking carefully enough" I do not know. She thought VERY carefully indeed. Why else would she have encouraged the children to create burner accounts to talk to her on once parents started monitoring their socials more closely, or indicated potential mistrust of her?

[@justkiddin84]

Exactly! She is nasty. Cheated on her first husband at least twice that he knows of. Untrustworthy and gross.

[@daniellebroekhuizen76]

And her fandom is still harrassing and attacking all the victims, if she wants to make a gesture to better herself, make a vlog that you don't want that.

[@s.melonita4454]

And always saying many, many years ago when it was this summer she still said Adam sent p*rn to her as a minor 💀💀💀 And now she also just came back in time for Christ Christmas clicks and within 6 months to get her channel not demonetized :) and more

[@nanapam1267]

She made fun of Fibromyalgia in her Netflix show, and acted like it was a fake disease. Many people like me suffer from this illness for years and it’s not a joke.

[@breannaflecha2326]

As someone who follows this story closely, I would say she only hinted towards like 2% of the allegations. It's definitely an insufficient apology to say the least :/

[@NR-wg4cf]

Add this apology to the two previous apologies then round it up to 100. : )

[@SparkyTom1]

This comment is spot on. She did not address her bullying, sending nudes to minors, trash talking Trisha Paytas while claiming to be her friend, and many other instances of toxic behavior. Dr Honda, you get a C- or a D+ for this video.

[@Peacenluv.c]

I think it was similar to her previous apology. Trying to sweep it under the rug. I don’t trust that she isn’t chatting with young fans.

[@Lollogy]

@@SparkyTom1 cause she never sent nudes to minors, do you idiots realize adam never provided proof that happened? And johnny was 24 at the time, so no, not a minor

[@s.melonita4454]

If even. Id give her 0,1% because she also continued to lie in this video. Her behavior was not many,many years ago but this Summer, when she still was trying to blackmail Adam and lying to Trisha, still blaiming Adam and saying he was sending her p*rn to Colleen, when it was Colleen to a minor Adam.

[@elzzz2000]

I think in your covering of this story, you've really understate the extent of her relationships with these children. She was messaging some of these children on a near daily basis at points, for years, from the ages of 13. These aren't just one off messages or jokes sent to fans. She had full blown 'friendships' with these kids where sexual topics were common and sexually explicit imagery and videos were shared multiple times.

[@sonsons7]

and she used her close inappropriate relationship with them for free social media labor, which is one of the main reasons people claim it was grooming. i feel like thats an important part to it too.

[@seashells1460]

Yes thank you! It's so scary and so unjust that she isnt in jail. Thats just my opinion and i used to love her and watch her videos daily.

[@KaylaMarie_]

Dont forget talking to children about her sex life with her current and ex husband.

[@elzzz2000]

@KaylaMarie_ yeah this detail. If a parent spoke to their child about their sex life, divorce and relationship issues, it would be viewed as exploitative and parentifying. It's so much more of a boundary cross with a stranger.

[@GirlieCarolinas]

@@sonsons7what does “free social media labor” mean? What is that exactly?

[@_Murpho_]

She also neglected to apologize or acknowledge Ella, a fan of hers she was accusing of not actually having the illness she has. Also planing or writing content about her illness without her knowledge or consent. She sent Trisha’s explicit photos to minors as well. Seems like an insufficient apology to me.

[@rociosegura6091]

I think the only person who I know had an A+++ on the apology scale, would be Jenna Marbles. Man, I miss her.

[@etainic6858]

Normally I’m a huge fan of the apology series but I think it would have been wise to really research Colleen. Most of this was understated and she did not apologize. She distanced herself from the situation said everything that there is legitimate proof to was alleged. She’s only asking for a safe space for herself not the many people she sent hate mobs after. She has zero issue with others threatening violence on actual children but god forbid you call her a terrible human.

[@GirlieCarolinas]

Where’s the legitimate proof of an actual crime? Go ahead, I’ll wait.

[@desiraesherwood]

@@GirlieCarolinasare you actually serious? The victim (a minor at the time) isn’t going to release proof of her sending nudes… because they are nudes. And the messages are gross and slimy and Trisha doesn’t deserve for that to be public. When someone is SA’d do you ask to see proof? You’re gross.

[@desiraesherwood]

@@GirlieCarolinasalso there is plenty of proof for the grooming and inappropriate discussions and having a child stick their hand down her pants. But I guess you only care if the transgression is illegal. So that says a lot about you.

[@dandelion_official4812]

Hard agree 🤣 He fell for her edited receipts in that "addressing everything" empty eyed nonsense 😬

[@emmaweik3092]

@@desiraesherwood like he says, grooming really is not the right word for these scenarios. She maintained relationships with fans for years and definitely crossed boundaries with “sexual nuances and content” but never with direct intention to develop a sexual or intimate relationship with them or to set them up for groomed sexual relationships with people she knew. It doesnt fit the textbook definition of grooming. But sending explicit images to minors is an offense that should be taken seriously. A lot of the other behavior was just simply inappropriate.

[@britt2973]

Are we all forgetting that this woman sent unsolicited nudes of Trisha Paytas to MINORS. And would hold watch parties for Trisha’s Only Fans content making fun of her and her body. That alone is deplorable. Not to mention the slew of other horrible things she’s done that harmed minors/children. I haven’t heard her apologize about that.

[@redsunflowers7322]

Not to mention illegal! You can't share OnlyFans pictures around. And even worse that she was doing this with minors. She befriended Trisha and started a podcast with her, all the while illegally sharing her OF content behind her back. That's a whole other level of cruelty. I know people have problems with Trisha for things she has done, but it doesn't make what Colleen did to her okay in any way.

[@britt2973]

@@redsunflowers7322 💯 percent agree

[@BeverlyRose330]

I've experienced grooming as a teenager by the GM of the movie theater I worked at. I didn't know I was harmed / being groomed until months after he got fired FOR grooming me and the other teens that worked there. Even when he got fired for his crimes, I was defending him. Glad to hear this discussion today because awareness is key!! It's so important to talk about these things

[@ReturnToSenderz]

That’s such an important point! It’s so hard to see grooming when you’re in the middle of it, especially as a minor. I’m sorry that happened to you, and I’m glad somebody was able to recognize what was happening and intervene before it went any farther.

[@TheBeautySpectator]

She has resumed to daily vlogging and exploits her kids. She has learned nothing.

[@mokc913]

I saw Andrew Callaghan is making content again, too -.-

[@lNoWayAroundItl]

Ugh. I half expected she would become a momfluencer. I really am against exploiting children.

[@kokolatte825]

​@@lNoWayAroundItl I expect that from her. She seems desperate for online attention and it's her revenue stream. I'm not sure she knows how to do anything else

[@desiraesherwood]

I hope you read these comments. I know you want specifics, but one source on Reddit is not sufficient. She did so much more and you very much understated all of the allegations. I love you Kirk, but I think this situation deserves much more thorough investigating before grading a lousy apology. The extent to which she groomed these minors is insane, and an apology doesn’t help fix ANY of the victims wounds. This apology and this video get a grade F for me.

[@applepie6832]

Plus the video he’s referring to isn’t even the full clip because Colleen edit it down to just the part where Adam is saying he wanted the bra and panties and not the stuff before

[@chantejonker]

Yeah he left a few stuff out.... like sending nudes to minors...spreading a young girls' legs wide open on stage...

[@pearlosibu]

Huge F. And he was told all of this when he did the video about the ukelele. He still chose not to do the work. I’m unsubscribing. This channel is really starting to trigger me.,

[@desiraesherwood]

@@pearlosibu definitely do what is best for your mental health, I understand how this is triggering, and it is for me as well. I think I’m only going to watch his reality TV show reactions from now on.

[@stellannie86]

That "apology" was absolutely horrible. She's minimizing the things she did, and also making it sound like it was ages ago which isn't true. One of the things she did was sending nude pictures of a sex worker (who is also her friend..!) to minors. That's disgusting in so many levels. This was a very PR-handbook apology; don't get into details because then it's definitely out there, don't admit it (say "i was accused of xyz"), mention therapy and/or your own mental health and taking a break, minimize the transgressions, emphasize things being in the PAST, say "i'm not a perfect person", and most importantly *_be vague_* .

[@funnytime1111]

Well, to be fair, getting into details or admitting to any of what she did especially on a public platform could open her open to lawsuits and potentially criminal charges. Kind of like apologizing when you get into a car accident or explaining what happened, you will be immediately found at fault just for saying I'm sorry. Not saying I think it's right but it's the truth

[@annarennie]

100% agree. Some things she was accused of happened this year, yet she says things like "many years ago" and "15 years of career".

[@Stormy575]

She's doing her best to avoid acknowledging the transgressions and taking responsibility for them. She doesn't admit that her behavior was inappropriate, just her comedy. She doesn't acknowledge that she harmed fans, she says that she was thoughtless, and that people "got hurt". People didn't get hurt, they were hurt BY HER. She's not denying anything happened, but beyond that it's a poor apology in my book.

[@leahflower9924]

Probably because she's not sorry predators aren't sorry and if they are they are usually feeling sorry for the way it affects them

[@hikotiini7884]

To be clear, Adam didn't ask for the bra and panties. She just picked him out from the comments and kept saying "You want the bra and panties?"

[@TissyDea]

Yep! And also even if he HAD asked for them (which he did not), it's still not okay to send underwear to a minor, and I'd like to think that most adults I'm that situation would be aware enough to...just not do that super weird and creepy thing?

[@hauntingjourney]

THIS. she edited her 2020 video "apology" to make it look like he was begging for them. The whole uncut footage shows the reality

[@PluviophileTraveller]

@@hauntingjourney that is so damning. I wish it would be referenced more often.

[@beckfry5374]

As a reminder she suggested Adam ask for the bra and underwear, he didn’t ask for it unprompted just an important note

[@Dominique_99]

I was going to say exactly this. Adam never asked for the bra or panties.

[@annarennie]

Came here for this comment. Stating he asked for it because he wanted some connection with her is not accurate.

[@Christine-lt9ok]

We need an H3 and Dr Honda collab! Ethan brought up his perfect apology score again on Monday

[@patty8991]

Omg, my two worlds collide. I'd love to see this crossover!

[@yogadork_namaste]

I would believe her if she had addressed the fans by name. Im sorry Adam, becky, oliver, Josh etc. She never will, though. This apology was for the fans that dont know much about the situations.

[@gabs09]

Or for the ones who do know but don't care because they idolise her

[@juxtaposition22]

@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 Well, Adam has already confirmed he hasn't gotten a private apology either.

[@nunpho]

I think a lot of the stuff she did got swept under the carpet and shes trying to keep it that way. People forget things like she actually sent p0rn to kids and asked sexual questions to 13yr olds etc. It all sucks. People should explain what they're actually apologising for. This is a classic case of only being sorry that she was caught

[@nunpho]

@@ania5038 some still are unfortunately :(

[@elzzz2000]

And the fact that she sent the porn and sexually explicit images on a REGULAR basis. This wasn't a mistake. This wasn't a cluster of mistakes. This was a pattern of behaviour that has spanned her whole decade long career and also didn't stop years ago like she likes to claim.

[@nunpho]

@@elzzz2000 oh yeah, all this stuff didn't stop years ago like she claims, it just stopped this summer. Then there's the fact that she let her p3do brother around her child fans and we know of one child he was messaging 'inappropriately'.

[@annarennie]

She also said She did things "many many years ago" when something she's been accused of happened just earlier this year

[@kat_likemeow]

Ah yes, classic apology on the floor 😌

[@jensens5203]

I think this is a subject that you may have to do a deep dive on, because there are a lot of details that can't be covered quickly on Reddit. SWOOP has a great documentary series on Colleen and Adam McIntyre's reactions to her apologies would be helpful to watch since he was one of the victims. He points out why this was not a sincere apology and how she minimized what she did.

[@ReturnToSenderz]

It feels like such a cop-out when she talks about learning from mistakes she made “several years ago”. A lot of these behaviors continued well into this year, and she still hasn’t actually said what specifically she’s apologizing for or what she has learned besides “be more mature.” She’s so vague that, if I wasn’t already familiar with her actions, I would have no idea what she was referring to.

[@redsunflowers7322]

The subreddit r/Colleen Ballingersnark would give you better info on what she's like better than OutOfTheLoop. She sent her fans to mock and harass her ex-husband Josh, even though she is the one who cheated on him with her now partner Erik. There is so much more info our there about the things she's done and she has never taken accountability. She's only mad now because she's been confronted about her behavior. Also, it does not matter that Adam volunteered to take the bra and panties. She knew he was 13 and it was her responsibility to know this was inappropriate and not send her underwear to a teenager.

[@rociosegura6091]

Swoop is a great source as well lol

[@milkmilk8721]

The thing is this was like 5 years ago- people change

[@redsunflowers7322]

She had the podcast with Trisha in May of this year. All the while sharing her OnlyFans pics behind her back, pupsely sending Trisha to the wrong house after she invited her to a party, and mocking her behind her back.

[@rociosegura6091]

@@milkmilk8721 but was it? She's recently hurt people and hasn't taken any propper accountability

[@elzzz2000]

​@@milkmilk8721Coleen was in group chats with children, having these kinds of conversations as recent as a month before her initial apology. Not 5 years ago. This year.

[@emmyhope26]

Dr. Honda, I love your content. I'm a big fan of the channel. I'm honestly disappointed in this video. Not only in content, but in tone. I've never felt like you're talking down to us mere internet mortals, but I did today. Please dig into this story more. Colleen isolated specific individuals into group chats and told them they were "special". She openly started conversations with these minors about explicit content, asking for them to elaborate on their own sexual experiences and discussing her ex husband's genitals. Adam was hired as an unpaid intern after building a relationship over time where he was told he was "special" "talented" "different" and continually brought pressing issues to Adam about her divorce and sex life when Adam was just a younger teen. She used her group chats of the "special" fans, and had them carry out specific tasks for her on the internet like harassing her ex husband and anyone who disagreed with her online via social media. She sent nudes of another content creator that were behind a paywall unsolicited to people (and allegedly a minor). She asked Adam for pictures of his butt. The idea that this is just a matter of underwear, is NOT a fair representation of the situation. Everything I mentioned above has been heavily documented and all sources have been verified down to the metadata of screenshots. Please reconsider your perspective on this. I don't usually call anyone out on the internet, but it is harmful, as a therapist, to subtly hint that legitimate grooming tactics are not actually grooming. This isn't just "internet hype" and I did not get the feeling you understand that based on your response in this video.

[@pearlosibu]

The comments were the same under his first video - the ukelele one. So at this point, him continuing to talk about this without doing the research is deliberate, willful - it’s a choice.

[@natalierivera5997]

Dr Honda, I was hoping you would critique this apology. As someone who was a former fan of Colleen Ballinger for many years (as an adult), I feel reading a Reddit review isn’t very good preparation as this situation is so nuanced. Many were expecting to hear from Colleen about now as if she had not posted soon she would have become demonetize on KZbin. Also now with the holidays as you know KZbinrs make their most money due to advertising for the holidays so the timing does not strike me as a sincere apology. Also for years now her victims had asked for a private apology and they said they would drop the subject and not mention her again. This didn’t happen in the past and again in this video her mea culpa is vague with as you said no real example of what she is apologetic for. The attorney she hired to deal with the allegations levied against her is an attorney that takes on some of the worst clientele (Prince Andrew, Arnie Hammer to name a few). Make no doubt his office and a PR team approved and created this video for Colleen to have no culpability and leave her open for criminal investigation or being sued. In your accounts of what she was guilty of or what made people mad you left out the most serious. She shared on a group chat with minors pornography from Only Fans of a fellow KZbinr she had let believe was her friend. This is not only a Federal offense because it went across state lines, it went across country lines and can result in imprisonment for CP. Her victims have saved all their correspondence with Colleen Ballinger and have disproven the false narrative she tried to pass with editing she released trying to show herself as innocent. I was very disappointed when I saw all these KZbinrs giving their evidence of how different Colleen Ballinger is in her public life (goodie goodie mom and comedian) versus the mean girl (woman) she seems to be in her private life. From observing her videos for many years she had seemed to regret growing up in a family with a very tight income in a very affluent community ( Santa Barbara) so I feel in my opinion she is very driven by money and fame at all cost (her ex husband also stated this but for all fairness let’s call him biased) and this video is just another example of how she is trying to preserve her personal wealth instead of being truly apologetic. Sorry this comment is so long, I just felt you were missing some of her motivations for doing this non-apology and the timing of it.

[@Lollogy]

Why do you all keep saying she sent trisha’s of to minors when she only sent it to johnny how was fucking 24 at the time. SHOW ME THE PROOF ACTUAL PROOF, ACTUAL SCREENSHOTS SHE SENT IT TO MINORS. YOU CAN’t CAUSE THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN

[@nullusernamex]

Out of all the comments, this has the most thorough info. I've followed her case for years as it's troubling. I hope he sees this comment! I know he can't possibly research every case to the level some of us know, but this context is useful for those unaware.

[@Lollogy]

@@nullusernamex it has shit tone of misinformation. Adam never provided proof she sent him trisha’s nudes and that little narcissist was caught lying multiple times. I’ve been subscribed to colleen since 2010, and i remember all of this shit happening irl.

[@Lollogy]

@@nullusernamex also this isn’t a case. This is woman’s life ruined because of a little narcissist that used her ghosting him to jumpstart his career as a drama channel.

[@nullusernamex]

@@Lollogy I'm not a fan of Adam either, but there is lots of proof she's done very questionable things. You are right that he's never shown proof of that specific instance, though.

[@melomankapl8756]

Once again: That "different apology video" was not apology at all, it was just big "eF you" to her victims. She kept claiming that all accusatons are just gossips and that people speaking about their traumatic experiences with her "have fun" at her cost.

[@NR-wg4cf]

It's how easily you people pretend, that was her first apology video. The one where she provided examples you ignore. But do you...

[@koopa7789]

@@NR-wg4cfwhy are you defending her so hard for? genuinely asking, because i’ve seen you going against people in the comments..like, is there something YOU know? are YOU Colleen 😂

[@NR-wg4cf]

@@koopa7789 I've left only 2 comments. I'm not shocked by your response, I mean your lot have spent years calling someone a groomer where there is zero evidence to back it up.

[@koopa7789]

@@NR-wg4cf eh 2 or 10, my point still stands lol. and yeah i don’t feel that you’re capable of holding a conversation maturely, YOUR LOT is keen to that too, so i’m disinterested now. have a good one & happy holidays!

[@leahbrundige6856]

The video you saw of her giving away the bra and panties was edited to make her look better. The original version, which is easily searchable, shows that Adam didn't ask for the bra and panties until she already singled him out to offer them to him. She also joked in the video that his mom was going to be concerned about a woman sending her [14 years at the time, I believe-correct me if I'm wrong] son bra and panties.

[@shananigans0117]

Her ex husband did an interview a while back where he apologized for his own mistakes in his past, also talking about his relationship with his ex wife, I’d love to see you react to his apologies which seem much better

[@jstupack]

Hi Dr. Honda, I love this apology series! I wanted to provide my perception (as explained to me by social media professionals) as to one of the reasons PR teams might tell an apology to be brief. There are probably many more reasons than this one. The public has groups of people who are willing to accept and hear a genuine apology, and a group of people who are primarily interested in generating backlash and don’t want to accept an apology. Unfortunately, the second group tends to be the more vocal, the more obvious, and even the more dangerous group of the public even if they are likely fewer in number. I could easily see “not wanting to add fuel to the fire” as a reason for being brief in an apology. That being said, I much more appreciate the genuine ones, as it makes me appreciate that they are real emotive humans too and not just characters on a screen.

[@KaylaMarie_]

Colleens behavior as Miranda mimicks the behavior of child groomers. Its harmful to the general public because these tactics could be normalized or promoted. Miranda puts snacks in her pants and tells a child, on stage, to fish it out, while also telling them she would take them to a place where no one can see them or hear them. Among many other things. How do we know if a child fan of hers experiences this in real life they wouldnt think it was okay because Miranda did it in front of millions?

[@GirlieCarolinas]

Are entertainers and public figures responsible for educating children on predatory warning signs? Or is it the responsibility of their parents or guardians?

[@KaylaMarie_]

@@GirlieCarolinas I didnt mention parents in my comment. Im talking about Colleen. And even if I did, its not okay to mistreat children because you’re not their parent. Youre basically saying giving kids access to explicit material is okay because the parents should stop it. No. Just dont do it in the first place lol. Some kids dont have good parents and adults shouldnt exploit that. And Colleens situation isnt like other entertainers eho dont have relationships with their fans. She developed misguided friendships with dozens of young fans and included hundreds or more in her stage shows. It would be like if Taylor Swift invited a 6 year old on stage and told them to reach into her pants. And then after the show she messaged a bunch of 13 year olds about her sex life. But TS isnt a groomer so she wouldnt do that.

[@tamihutcheson7042]

Also, Adsm(who was sent the bra and panties) never "asked" for them. Colleen decided she would send them to him. She altered her live stream showing this so Adam would look bad. She needs to apologize to, at the very least, the CHILDREN who have been so brave in telling their truths. In my humble opinion. Also, to Adam's parents who she blamed!!! She needs to stay offline. SMDH.

[@megancooksey]

She seemed to keep herself distanced from what happened by not only failing to elaborate but also saying it happened a long time ago. There was very little use of the word “I” Its like she may be aware a bit that she hurt people but continues the narrative it was unintentional. Intentional or not (mostly) does not matter when you hurt people. If you hurt someone, the only way to grow is accept yourself as the person who was capable of and followed through with those things, then work on changing those thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that cause you to unintentionally act in a way that is harmful to the self and others.

[@Peacenluv.c]

I’m concerned with her messaging any children. They had group chats and tiny chatted (like FaceTime). She should not be reaching out to minors. Being “friends” with 13 year olds is just weird (and criminal in some cases)

[@RockyDaTherapist]

Especially sending adult images to the group chat 🤬

[@Peacenluv.c]

@@ania5038 maybe they are collecting evidence? They would need enough to charge, maybe they didn’t have enough….which would be shocking.

[@Peacenluv.c]

@@ania5038 I didn’t think it included chatting with minors. I thought he was racist and did weird stuff about a cat. Idk

[@elzzz2000]

@ania5038 Shane kissed a 13 year old fan in one of his videos, was video calling another 13 year old and asked her to twerk for him, had his underage fans send pictures to him, and then ranked them and said he'd r*pe them. He had multiple times where he was like this with his child fans. So I would say he's pretty on par

[@Peacenluv.c]

@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 what I said was not meant to minimize what he did or be in favor of Shane. I just didn’t know the details of what happened.

[@daniwidner]

He did not ask for the bra and panties. She is offered them to him. Used or not he was 13. She was 27 or 28. It was a completely inappropriate interaction between an adult and a child. Period.

[@Lollogy]

That livestream is still up on her channel maybe check for yourself befove spewing misinformation. Direct quote from adam “i want those ratchet panties signed by kory cause he modeled them so well” 😊

[@daniwidner]

@@Lollogy you are correct. They offered them to him as well, and it was their responsibility as the adults to not engage with minors. Colleen and Kory are 100 percent in the wrong.

[@Lollogy]

@@daniwidner and collleen admited she was wrong and she apologized in 2020. Why are you glossing over the fact adam lied so much about that situation? Remember him claiming he never saw those cause his mother took them but then photos of him wearing it resurfaced (:

[@GirlieCarolinas]

@@daniwidnernobody is denying that she shouldn’t have sent them, but she apologized for it years ago. Did something illegal happen?

[@GirlieCarolinas]

@@Lollogywait wait wait so was Adam forced into taking and uploading those photos?

[@Sough]

I feel like you approache this genre like it's a personal apology, and then are surprised that they are doing PR and being vague about transgressions

[@justkiddin84]

She is a groomer. Videos, receipts of chats and texts, sending inappropriate gift to a minor across national borders. Told the kids not to tell their parents about the chats. Had her very predatory brother and her also predatory ‘bff’ Kory in those chats, where they also did things that could easily harm kids. She ‘family vlogs’ which is awful for kids-and even doxxed her own child’s dance class location. She used those kids as free labor to run her media. Again while telling them not to tell anyone. Plus other things listed below. I suspect that if Adam’s mom had not found the underwear-Adam might have been coerced to pose in the clothes. My opinion. Adam was not asking for the panties and bra. Please get that straight. Adam and the other victims have been horribly and brutally abused by her fans-and not even once has she spoken out about that. And indeed there are receipts of her encouraging them to go after others. Evil is the word.

[@killianyinstitut]

She can't be that embarrassed the ukulele video is still up!

[@hotpinkkt]

As an actual victim thank you for this. People have watered certain words down so they mean nothing now. Colleen isn't a predator or any of those things, even by definition. I as an actual victim cannot speak out without getting attacked because people wanna virtue signal and act as sheep who cannot think critically for themselves. It's infuriating. She hurt people and was incredibly inappropriate but that does NOT make her a groomer. People wanna talk about reformation but they don't really want that. It's crazy how powerful a story and crowds can get. All sheep, and I've never seen anything like this before. I've watched countless videos on her and none prove towards her being those things. That doesn't mean she wasn't bad or did bad things. People act if you disagree then it's "downplaying". downplaying how? Because we disagree over a words meaning? That just means YOU don't see her actions as that bad if you think having that word next to her means anything.

[@GirlieCarolinas]

Thank God another sane person!

[@GirlieCarolinas]

I’ve thought EXACTLY the same things. I’m glad I’m not alone!

[@habeashumor9814]

The white bedroom video. Classic.

[@kimkardashianruinedmylife]

Would you rather her sit outside?

[@dandelion_official4812]

@@kimkardashianruinedmylife it's a KZbin apology trope and she is very much aware of this. It's a joke to her. Light clothing, sit on floor, pale background, look directly to camera when you're emphasising "sincerity", say learn and grow, barefaced or limited makeup, rehearsed script, just don't giggle and ruin the take and you're comeback is complete 🤷‍♂️

[@rociosegura6091]

From what I've heard, the timing of the video is convenient for her. She probably added the apology at the beginning trying to minimize the backlash, but if your channel is innactive for over 6 months, you lose revenue. Plus, this is the sweet spot of the year for content creators and especially vloggers, since they tend to pair up with companies close to the holiday season for discount codes when shopping for gifts. Also, if she felt weird transitioning from a serious topic to a vlog about chickens... maybe she still hasn't learned much

[@OmirSoLate]

Hey Kirk! Love seeing the public apology gradings you do👏🏻 crazy cause I’ve always struggle with apologizing and when you said that most people feel like saying sorry is sufficient, i definitely was in that camp for a long time but I didn’t realize either that growing up I rarely heard or received apologizes beyond “I’m sorry, okay let’s move on”. Going in depth does so much. Great video 🙌🏻 i think H3 is going to bring up this video today on their episode , looking at the thumbnail i see a report card with a “D+” 😂 i hope you get all the views,subs and love from it 🙌🏻

[@classifiedprecious12]

The person she sent the bra and panties to, who was a minor, Adam Macintyre, did not ask for them. she offered them to him and he was too young to say no to his celeb idol, I really recommend doing more research on topics like this because that is misinformation and can be harmful.

[@Lollogy]

Oh no you wont, he didn’t ask for it? He harrased her on twitter for a month cause she forgot to send it to him. That livestream is still up on colleen’s channel, so go and check for yourself. Adam literally tweeted “ i want those ratched panties signed by kory cause he modeled them so well” Get your facts straight before spewing shit and missinformation.

[@KaylaMarie_]

@@Lollogyeverything youre saying is after Colleen offered them to him. Even if he asked for them to begin with, she shouldn’t have sent them. She was in her thirties and he was 13. 13 year olds are idiots in a lot of ways and adults should not do inappropriate things for them just because a kid asked them to

[@Lollogy]

@@KaylaMarie_ and she apologized for that in 2020. She literally said that was inappropriate and she doesn’t know what part of her brain was missing when she sent him the underwear. Why do you keep ignoring she apologized for that in 2020?

[@Lollogy]

@@KaylaMarie_ adam is nothing but a malignant narcissist and it’s so sad no one sees that.

[@Lollogy]

@@KaylaMarie_ also adam wad caught lying on multiple occasion about this particual situation, did you forget that too?

[@alexisrose71]

I would LOVE to see a reaction to Jenna Marble's apology video!

[@katiehansen2206]

YES…both of them…we love an apology about fish

[@enraegen561]

An important detail for Adam's story is that at some point he was creating content for Colleen for free, just because he was a fan. Colleen pretended that SHE came up with the content, and baited him that she would hire him later. Then one of the posts didn't do well, many got offended. Then she publicly blamed Adam (only for that one post), and got all her followers to harass him for years. This is one of the things Adam cites in when he talks about grooming. Colleen's apology is a bit shallow. I would like her to say this is what I did, detailed. Saying "I was inappropriate" is too surface level at this point, given how much she pushed back before. This is an apology for the way she handled the issues, not the issues themselves.

[@enraegen561]

The last part (apologizing for the previous, crappy apology) is a genius manipulation. It is genuine, and feels right, and she can do that because it is a less embarrassing transgression. It gives the illusion that she somehow apologized for the main issue, when she didn't at all.

[@gamarleton]

She didn't even vaguely mention how she bullied and harrassed people for years while claiming she had apologized and moved on...

[@connermcintosh4322]

The description of the bra and panties you gave is not accurate. It’s based on an edited video. SHE sad the fan should take the bra and panties, and he said he would want them AFTER her suggestion. Also what’s covered in this video is not even a third of the things she has done. Spreading nude pictures and having watch parties to make fun of a friend is kind of a big deal. She did that as recently as 2 years ago and lied to the friend about it in July. As well as exploiting the labor of their fans, exposing them to her p3d0file brother, sending her fans to attack people, and like at least 3-4 other things not covered here or in her (and I believe your) other videos.

[@connermcintosh4322]

Also while I have you here, let’s discuss that better help sponsorship. I’m a huge fan but that’s still disappointing.

[@Astrosassy]

I really think they don’t elaborate or admit to specifics because they are counting on keeping the portion of the audience that still supports them them either due to ignorance of the situation or belief in their innocence. For example- if she owned up to sending Trisha’s nudes to Adam, she would lose more people than she already has

[@leaht5166]

9:30 Adam did not ask for the panties first. She said she wanted to give them to Adam and then he was like, yeah I’ll take them. Then they asked Adam, the minor, to send a picture of him sending it soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yeah, this retelling off it is wrong and colleens own vlog on it proves it

[@ohisee9173]

It's a D-F if you did research on everything she has done. Everyone that is informed on all the allegations sees clearly that she didn't meet ANY requirements for the original allegations and actually DOWNPLAYED her actions. The only slightly sufficient part was apologizing for her reaction (ukulele video). I wish you had talked to Adam.

[@juxtaposition22]

Even that would only be sufficient if she had taken down, unlisted, or demonitized that video, it's her most viewed video and she's keeping, doesn't look that much like she's ashamed.

[@lNoWayAroundItl]

16:43 That is true because if you admit fault it can leave you legally open at times. But she is an artist/comedian and she thrived on the parasocial dynamic.

[@alb91878]

She said she was inappropriate with her comedy. She also said he begged for the under garments and cropped out the part of the video that showed she was lying. She also is alledged to have sent p*rnography to them as well. She's not sorry. She said it happened many years ago, when in fact it continued until June of this year (2023). She also brought up her kids repeatedly to gain sympathy. There's nothing genuine outside of her apologizing to her fans. Grade -F. You can't lie or manipulate in your apology and YOU DON'T INCLUDE IT IN A VIDEO ABOUT COOKIES AND CHICKENS!!!

[@dandelion_official4812]

Low grade for this assignment Dr 😬 I would encourage you to get your facts from someone other than Colleen... She actually edited the footage from that livestream to make it LOOK like what you described. She edited out the parts where she offered them to him multiple times and Kory did a s3xyy modeling moment in them and TOLD ADAM TO DO THE SAME. When said lingere arrived in Northern Ireland Colleen and Kory had him sneak them out from where his outraged mother had hidden them to wear over his clothes LIKE KORY DID on a live stream. Her editing of that footage is a major reason why her smear campaign of Adam as a crazed fan worked. He did not initially ask for them - that was a proven lie. Also REGARDLESS of whether he had or not - she as a 30yo woman POSTED THEM INTERNATIONALLY to a child. KNOWING it was wrong - she even said in the same live stream that his parents would say "you're not allowed to watch that person that sent you bra and panties anymore". That is calculated. She realised he was very funny, and knew a lot about social media. Perfect target for her to groom as he ended up supplying her with content for four years. She kept him awake until 4am telling him lies about her ex husband abusing her, and when the inevitable divorce arrived he was on the front line defending her from her "abuser" in some of the most toxic places online. When he was AT SCHOOL. The lingerie was a way to test the waters, and then she went further. She had him travel 4HOURS to Dublin to meet her, and once she realised his parents were dropping him off directly she changed plans and left him alone on the streets of an unfamiliar city. Luckily his mother is a very smart lady and remained close by keeping an eye on her child because who KNOWS what else could have occurred. You did him and all her other victims a huge disservice here.

[@lNoWayAroundItl]

Round 2. I am sorry for sounding negative. I understand Balanger has grown up on social media and has a completely different relationship to it than me. We are the same age and I couldn't have feigned ignorance to how she conducts herself. Social media addiction is rough and having no limitations or understanding to how it effects adolescents in the long run while growing up with it just become prominent has done damage. I can't say much to her sincerity or lessons learned. But she did personally effect one child/teen with her behavior and involvement regarding her social media.

[@eriskalli]

It makes sense that public figures would not give specifics. She's walking a fine line between ingratiating herself to the fans that remain while also not incriminating herself or giving anyone evidence that could be brought up in a suit. This is a very carefully designed pr move and not a genuine apology to anyone or admission of anything except trying to milk the one marketable skill she has which is KZbin engagement.

[@seansanders8159]

Ugh, I have paid close attention to the allegations against Colleen, and there has been a tremendous amount of evidence that shows she has been grooming and abusing children and adults. Watch the Swoop documentaries, she does the most thorough job and exposes Colleen. @PsychologyInSeattle it is important that you present the FACTS. The truth has been exposed over the past 5 months and that is what Colleen should be judged by, period.

[@hauntingjourney]

I believe that her being Ariana Grande's vocal coach was a joke

[@Darkrosaly]

I think you kinda missed the ball on this, i think for reference itd be better if you saw some of Adam McIntyre's content over what he went through

[@candycatscreations6821]

I definitely have to disagree with you about the growing thing with Colleen. She was grooming them to do her dirty work behind the scene. She asked minors about getting divorce advice and talked about sexual things about her husband. A child does not need to know that Colleen was saying her husband had tiny privates. Sadly, Once the child (or her ex husband) was no useful to her, she Would send fans after those people. She had children working for her for free. Sending nudes of Trisha Paytas to minors and other people unsolicited is absolutely utterly disgusting. I honestly don’t believe a single word this woman is saying.

[@Lollogy]

Where is the proof she sent trisha’s nudes to minors? Show me. I’ll wait.

[@sylvanianmole]

been WAITING for this one! thank you dr kirk!

[@amandaw1712]

LOL she wasn’t really Ariana Grande’s vocal coach. That was an inside joke, they are just friends. She was featured in her thank you next music video

[@catscar708]

I don’t think grooming is the wrong term here. Even if she didn’t intend to take advantage of them sexually, there was real harm done and they were potentially set up to experience sexual harm because of her egotistical actions.

[@ZaraVal]

I feel that a lot of times when influencers or social media ppl don’t elaborate on what they did, it’s for legal reasons. Basically admitting to the crime. I’m sure they are coached not to elaborate or admit to certain things. Probably told exactly what to say.

[@Mike-sj9si]

I say this while acknowledging there are bad people in the world who do make fake apologies and who have no intention of ever changing (I've had relationships with such bad people and it's been awful so I really understand they exist), I do feel like in the past we just said "I'm sorry." Now we're grading people's apologies and there's all this criteria.. Don't get me wrong, apologies are important and there are bad people out there, it's just a part of me feels like there's really no winning now, like even as a person with empathy I'm not even sure anymore how to apologize in a way that no one would question the apology

[@Elspm]

I think the underlying flaw in this apology is it's far too generic, to the point where she could still just be apologising for the least important transgressions.

[@aoefeable]

Adam didn’t ask for the underwear, it’s on video. She offered them to him first and then mailed them.

[@Tesis]

Adam did not ask for the underwear. It was idea of Colleen’s assistant/friend in that video, Cody, and Colleen found it hilarious and agreed with it and joked that Adam’s mom will be disturbed, like haha so funny mom will go nuts over who sent it. WHICH SHE WAS DISTURBED. For obvious reasons. Then after Adam came out to explain this much later she sicked those other young fans in him - not directly she’s not that stupid. She would go to chats with fans and just victimize herself like aw damn that boy is just out to get me in so hurt. The fact that so many teens then reacted aggressively towards Adam shows that her grooming was working. She basically manipulated a bunch of teens to do her bidding. And THAT is not what this apology talks about.

[@Marle_xvx]

I’m so glad we have people who do research first on the platform.

[@pearlosibu]

Not this video, though. Zero research.

[@Marle_xvx]

@@pearlosibu what makes you say that

[@Megan-1234]

She says “the mistakes I made many many years ago…”. It wasn’t all many many years ago! She still doesn’t take an ounce of responsibility.

[@GirlieCarolinas]

What was a recent mistake?

[@agk5631]

Really happy to see you get even more exposure, Kirk from the family. I was generally surprised that Ethan pretty much watched a good majority of the 27 minute video. That is an actually big win imo and shows how well crafted this video was~

[@Rhiannon.Moonchild]

Body language analysts do not claim to read people's minds or tell if someone is lying based on eye movements. They look for baseline and deviations/behaviour spikes. Come on, Kirk. This is the first video of yours I've checked out in a while and two minutes in you treat body language analysis the same as people who say psychologists are quacks. You can believe there isn't much credence in body language analysis but you are spreading misinformation with that sort of remark and generalisation.

[@hannahtryon]

It’s still sounds like she’s distancing her, calling it “that behavior” instead of “my behavior”…. It’s like making it appear like you’re taking responsibility without admitting fault.

[@sarahohara4022]

Kind sounds like a lawyer was involved in this apology

[@moonmilkgalaxy]

I really love your work Dr Honda but i would encourage you to do further research on what she perpetrated and also the facts of what she did. Even your understanding of what happened with the underwear is not what actually happened and therefore i think its very important to know more before delving in honestly. I know that the victims have expressed deep frustrations over the fact that the narrative she puts out there and the reframing of what happened is often what people take to be facts and its exactly what she wants. Its clear she puts distance and manipulates what happened to make her as far removed as possible. Its just very upsetting because unfortunately this women is going to get away with this and continue to have a platform. Just like many other people on youtube who have no business being able to stay platformed.

[@Lollogy]

Only person that manipulated the truth is adam.

[@moonmilkgalaxy]

@@Lollogy Youre definitely entitled to your opinion. Personally im not basing all ive stated on Adams claims but other sources as well. I think her response and behavior speaks for itself.

[@Lollogy]

@@moonmilkgalaxy you’re wrong.

[@Lollogy]

@@moonmilkgalaxy adam lied so much. Go check her original livestream from 2016 that is still up if you really wanna know how much adam manipulated the situation.

[@moonmilkgalaxy]

@@Lollogy Ive watched the live stream, after reading his tweets joking about her fashion she said "do you want the bra Adam?" She started this disturbing behavior and one thing is for certain, he was a child. Full stop nothing more needs to be said. Respectfully I won't be addressing this further. Take care

[@cmarchibald]

Dr. Honda there's an important detail about the "bra and panties" incident that you missed. The fan in question, Adam, was only 13. He did not request the items at first. He was participating in a livestream chat as a minor and said he thought they were "really ugly" and that was funny to him (again, he was 13). Colleen read his comment on the stream and joked that he was being rude and said she send them to him as a form of payback. She and her friend who was on the stream with her then began goading Adam and taunting him asking if he wanted them. Her friend also tried them on over his clothes. Adam played along and said sure, he would take them. Then he forgot about it completely until the package arrived at his house weeks later and his parents were horrified. It's by far not the most egregious thing she did but the order of operations here is important and demonstrates that Colleen is the instigator, not the other way around. When Adam first told this story a few years ago both Colleen and her friend on the stream lied and said that Adam was "begging for them" and implied they almost felt coerced by *Adam* to sending them.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Good to know!

[@bombadillo]

Love the apology series! I really like your take on this even though I can see others too. It felt somewhat more genuine than I expected (which was none) but overall still poor. D+ seems about right to me! This situation is so convoluted that the vast majority of people don't know - or care to know - all the details and she is definitely using that to her advantage by being vague. Obviously what she did with minors is inappropriate but to me its almost worse what she did to Trisha and the harassment and hate she sends via her fanbase. Maybe its just more cruel. But she doesn't address any of that and those are some of the biggest things to me.

[@sarahohara4022]

I tell my dog he’s being inappropriate when he’s barking at me quite rudely for food or play

[@Iudicatio]

Hey Dr. Honda, I actually really hope you talk more about non apologies. I've been doing online dating recently and I've had to unmatch a lot of men. Oftentimes it's because of behavior that isn't a huge violation of accepted etiquette but bothers me nonetheless. Or I just feel fundamental incompatibility. When I unmatch them, I often include "I'm sorry" even though I don't regret anything. It's sort of an acknowledgement that their feelings might be hurt and I'm not happy about that. And an acknowledgement that they are not terrible people and don't deserve to have their feelings deliberately hurt. Is this the wrong way? Is there better etiquette around this? I would really appreciate if you talked about that!

[@nataliepaad1869]

As I'm watching this, I'm also thinking of the kinds of things stated in her book. Yeah, hard to believe she's being genuine.

[@OiOBlinkingOwl]

Awesome analysis as always. Just wanted to clarify that she initiated giving the bra. Kid (Adam): lol Colleen those are ugly Colleen: lol do you want them?

[@annajoysofia4363]

Btw the way you described the situation with the bra and panties is actually inaccurate. Adam did not ask for them, he was pestered into agreeing.. There's more to the story

[@JadeMCameron]

I clicked so fast! I didn’t know she put out a second video.

[@curstinmichelle]

This is a great analysis, Dr. Honda. I love this series! The reasons why this doesn’t land as an effective apology to me are 1.) the original “apology” is still on her channel. The one where she’s calling the accusers liars and clout hungry and 2.) this isn’t directed towards any of her accusers. This is an apology to her fans for being in controversy. She’s trying to deny the accusations while also being sorry for causing harm. It’s not reading as being genuinely sorry/apologetic. It feels like she’s trying to appear thoughtful in her acknowledgement of everything so she can move on.

[@pearlosibu]

So, how is this a great analysis then?

[@curstinmichelle]

@@pearlosibu Dr. Honda's Components list has been very useful in providing education on crafting meaningful apologies, he emphasizes that she doesn't elaborate on what she's apologizing for and I love watching his videos because he stays differentiated and impartial to the subjects he covers. I find it to be great analysis.

[@edbrown5956]

A lot more crap was alleged..... I don't buy this apology but I also think the lawyers say DON'T go into detail because that would possibly admit guilt. So I think most of these apologies that are of a possible criminal nature will be scarce on the specifics.

[@carrotap3001]

She’s extremely mental. Watching her is mind boggling. Her husband must realllllllly love her. Lucky woman.

[@emmiem6159]

Lol the eye movements comment seem like a hit on the observe channel.

[@pearlosibu]

A cheap hit

[@Saltmydishbartender]

this was a great video covering the apology Doc

[@D_Torres]

At my Alma mater you need at least a C to progress to the next class in a series. So where I went, anything below a C was basically like an F in regards to progression (not talking about GPA but rather having the ability to literally take for example Psych 102 after Psych 101). As a result, to me it’s funny you considered a C- because that means even with the help of a PR firm, she still failed to progress.

[@Aksfl440]

I know a lot of details get lost. But she was claimed of being a groomer because the boy was often asked to write for her on Twitter or other social medias. Supposedly he was not the only one this happened to. Some fans even went on to get hired by her. But she did offered him an internship. As you can imagine, like groomers do, she never followed through nor paid him. She went back on her word several times. Secondly there is evidence that Colleen had sent porn to minors & despite it being instantly harmful or not, it is illegal.

[@Lollogy]

Where is the evidence she showed porn to minors? Johny was 24 at the time so no, not a minor. ADAM NEVER PROVIDED PROOF SHE SENT TRISHA’s nudes to him

[@Lollogy]

@@kobra4422 false

[@Mama_Bear524]

Hi! Looking forward to this!

[@lucahelenflaherty7295]

She might not be able to verbally acknowledge it for legal reasons.

[@melissaurroz3432]

THAT LIVE VIDEO WAS EDITED!!! Missing context!!! He didn’t say it first, they offered it to him and actually waited for him to reply…. Please do more research!!! 🚫🚫🚫🚫🚫🚫🚫

[@AwakeNotWoke5139]

Dr. Honda would love to hear your take on the Netflix and Prime Doc "Escaping Twin Flames."

[@nomeinthecottage4767]

Sounds like the same song sans ukulele

[@dandelion_official4812]

Yeah it's the acapella Hi/Addressing everything mashup with a chicken dubb b side 😭

[@EatHere]

When it comes to children being harmed it’s a lot safer as a society for us to not give the perpetrator the benefit of the doubt. Which I think is why a lot of people in the comments are upset. It’s probably better for us to label Colleen as evil and cancel her completely. However from a learning perspective I really appreciate your more level-headed analysis.

[@andedom]

Hey Doc, there’s breaking news that Melissa Barrera (corrected for spelling) was released from the set of the new Scream movie (which she is the star of) due to what was referred to by her producers as “antisemitic comments”. I’d be curious to hear you and Rebecca’s take on how this came about. Was it cancel culture? Was it justified?

[@SarahStar00]

She was not Arianna Grande’s vocal coach! That was a joke.

[@akmi1931]

Honestly, it sounds like an apology that has been closely edited by a lawyer. She sounds sincere but also keeping details about what she’s sorry for closely guarded for any future legal challenges

[@bwooderp]

Dr. Honda! Have you considered making any videos on the "Escaping Twin Flames" documentary on Netflix? Would love to hear what comes out of your face 😄

[@MD-hellodarkness]

I'm glad you touched on the damage that can be done by parents exposing children to pornography because Collen also sent Trisha Paytas's nudes to these minors

[@Jsnzbsjz]

Yayy thank you for watching this!

[@pearlosibu]

Why?