Ruby Franke & Jodi Hildebrandt #3 - (Therapist Reacts)

[@Lin-rh6qs]

There is actually no evidence that child was harming other children. He was the one that escaped and got help. If you ask me, it's more likely she's trying to "punish" him by isolating him from his siblings and other children.

[@mixedbag3682]

Agreed

[@scp-09698]

AGREED! Just that one last jab at him. What a B

[@niania7022]

I agree. It’s not good to automatically think he could turn out like Duggar without having the facts. Very irresponsible.

[@alllifematters]

Even if he were harming other children that is not an appropriate way to handle it they are trying to perpetuate a very dangerous and harmful belief that children are born evil and that is simply not true. The majority of us are responding behaviorally to our environment therefore unless this child had something severely wrong with his genetics anything that he does is simply a reflection of his environment and that's not saying that he sexually abused anyone but if he did it wouldn't be his fault at this point on his little lifeb

[@hannamiller8749]

Jodi also has a history of framing clients as abusers so no one believes their account to the abuse

[@katharinefrancis6320]

The accusations against the child by Ruby should probably be taken with a GIANT grain of salt considering she accused the same child of consuming adult materials when said child was three. Oh, and Ruby considers music she doesn't find acceptable to be akin to hardcore porn. Hildebrandt also has a history of accusing her victims of horrific crimes. Her niece was the victim of this, her former patient that she broke patient-client confidentiality of was a victim of this. It's in the playbook! Let's face it, it's the perfect accusation- it's horrific, it's shocking, we believe victims! So, it instantly helps discredits *her* victims' statements against her and helps minimizes her crimes and lets her get away with either no punishment or lesser punishment.

[@niania7022]

Exactly!! I was just about to come on here to say that! No way that child did what she said at 3 years old!

[@sixacres6115]

She thinks a clean room, and organization is sexual behavior. She’s disturbed.

[@Bozemannn]

Jodi’s niece says Jodi accused them of being addicted to masturbating, and other sexual things and would not stop abusing them until they admitted those things they were being accused of were true.

[@Lynsey17]

Yeah, there is a lot to dig into wrt the alleged SA. There are several possible explanation that involve the kid not doing anything even concerning.

[@klaythoring1326]

Absolutely. Torture does not breed true confessions. Jessi also described being convinced they'd had an abortion despite not ever having sex or being pregnant. I really hope that the people out there who are like Ruby and Jodi or convinced of these 'methods' are terrified of being exposed and use that as a way to change.

[@leonafrank8423]

I find it very hard to believe that RF has been sexually abusing children since he was 3 years old. I think that Jodi brainwashed Ruby into believing that his behavior was "abusive." He was also convinced that he was evil. It sounds just like what Jodi did to Jessi.

[@lesliemarie6358]

It's exactly what she did to Jessie.

[@erikasantoshafitness348]

She claimed he was addicted to “porn” at 3 years old !!!😡

[@coriroo9323]

In the 911 called, you can hear that poor kid say that him being tied up was "his own fault." I hope that poor kid gets the best treatment available.

[@myrnabragg9313]

Not only that BUT how does a 3 y/o have access to P@{£??? Whose watching the child watching the P??? Insane 😮

[@erikasantoshafitness348]

@@myrnabragg9313 what qualifies as “porn” is almost anything. It could have been a Disney film !

[@jerrysdancer3769]

This sexual accusation could be an attempt to discredit the victim and draw some attention away from herself. Based on the narrative of Jodi attempting to convince Jessi to "repent" for sex acts she nerver had, this accusation is most likely false.

[@scp-09698]

Agreed! ironically, the accusation only seems to make Ruby look even more like a liar

[@acousticsong-guitarco964]

Exactly

[@biancaxsmith]

We can imagine that the mother actually believes it must have happened based off of what Jessi says. Very sick people.

[@thestoryoffive]

If you listen to Jesi Hilderbrant interview on Morman Stories podcast she said that Jodi makes a lot of things up and was accusing her of things she never even thought about. It was a way to justify the abuse.

[@mixedbag3682]

Agreed

[@erikasantoshafitness348]

Listened. Can’t fathom the idea of masturbating with tampons🫣I mean what a sicko

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Or projecting

[@erikavaleries]

That’s to be expected and very sick

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

*they, but yeah. False accusations are part of Jodi's MO. Jessi was falsely accused of getting an abortion despite them being a virgin at the time. Jodi defo coached Ruby into accusing her kids of those things.

[@yekaterinabelova2]

Jodi and Ruby apparently called organizing toys in a certain way and using tampons as sexual (Jessi reports the latter). So, I would not put it past Ruby to call normal childhood behavior as sex and molestation. I don't believe it for a second that her kid is a sexual predator.

[@TripleDiamondArt]

Jodi forces confessions out of people for “sins” she dreams up. She abuses people and promises to stop if they confess to stuff she thinks they did. This boy didn’t abuse anyone, he just confessed to whatever she wanted to hear to make the abuse stop. Talking about him like he is a predator is exactly what Ruby and Jody wanted.

[@paprikanika2145]

I think you need to state this more strongly. She dreams someone is sinning----literally--and then the dream becomes evidence of the wrong doing.

[@KelseyDunlevy]

Every time I find one of those "To Train Up a Child" books at secondhand stores, I buy them, and I burn them. I even stole my sister-in-law's copy of the book to burn. Disgusting book that truly deserves burning.

[@Alltagundso]

If you only save one child from abuse, it is worth every penny. ❤

[@KelseyDunlevy]

@@Alltagundso 💯

[@A78cts23]

Awesome!

[@larissabrglum3856]

I am not normally one to call for destroying books, but that is one that deserves it.

[@yeahiwascrazybackthenhahua2954]

I completely doubt that her child is an ab*ser. Jessie, Jodi's niece, actually came out to the media precisely because she was falsely accused of being a s*xual ab*ser, a p*rn addict and a m*sturbation addict when she was this boy's age too! I really suggest everyone to watch that interview if you haven't already. This girl has had to expose a bit of her trauma publicly because she wants to protect Ruby's son from happening what it happened to her! Her own credibility and dignity were destroyed by Jodi many years ago for these same disgusting allegations when she didn't even know what s*x was! Don't trust a woman who thinks lining up stuffed animals is a s*xual behavior. 🤦‍♀️

[@awong6436]

Not Mormon, but I went to a Mormon run ‘troubled teen’ facility in Utah and a lot of their punishments were similar to Jodi’s. It’s great that people are finally seeing how these ‘therapists’ have been treating their clients.

[@coriroo9323]

I'm sorry, you didn't deserve it. I hope you are healing and doing well today.

[@rw4754]

I think Paris Hilton was also sent to one of these 'facilities'.

[@awong6436]

@@rw4754I’m familiar with the one she went to. All the facilities in the area have a lot of staff crossover 😬

[@clairewillow6475]

And from what I heard, Ruby sent Chad to one of those

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

@@rw4754Same one as another of Ruby's kids, yeah. Anasasi, I think. Those programs are notorious for causing severe physical damage to the victims, sometimes to the point of lethality.

[@bajabarracuda4634]

An important note is Jodi Hildebrandt was highly recommended by leaders of the Mormon church. So the people going to this church, who have issues, would have a recommendation to go to her with the idea of saving their children’s soul.

[@niania7022]

There’s also accusations they paid her. I don’t know that but that’s what was said, therefore as they get tax exempt status if proven true they can be sued by the government. I don’t know all the details but there’s several videos who were abused by her stating that.

[@ezzb]

​@@niania7022is common for the church to pay therapists from the church. And apparently, there was a demand on the contract asking the therapist to report to the bishop. So one of the conditions to get this free therapy would be no confidentiality

[@daphnedherbert]

@@niania7022 they did pay for her services yes, there’s evidence of that is my understanding; and if there isn’t, a relative of hers came out(Jessi) with their story and did explain during their abuse they also did the billing and it was money from the church. In addition to the evidence(or at least contemporary accounts about her being paid), she’s been on their list of family services for years(until her license was revoked due to Adam Paul Steed) so she’s been funneled as as the best option for people needing therapy. That couldn’t have been further from the truth

[@anitah2404]

@@niania7022It’s true that the Mormon church paid Jodi Hildebrandt for counseling sessions. She also billed insurance companies and claimed the counseling was for depression or something similar when it really was not.

[@niania7022]

@@anitah2404 Thank you! Sounds like she is in a lot of trouble; but not sure about the church. They should lose their tax exempt status.

[@susanb4816]

My sister and her husband followed how to train up a child. They had 3 kids whom i consider to have been abused. Two are drug addicts and the oldest fled the family as soon as she could. Once the kids left home, they divorced and then she committed suicide because she felt like a failure. Meanwhile i had four kids with no spouse and nothing but wanting to do my best for them. They are not perfect but they are relatively happy and healthy. So sad

[@virginiasoares826]

So sorry for your loss

[@sistermadrigalmorning233]

That's tragic

[@susanb4816]

@@sistermadrigalmorning233 yeah and imagine how many thousands of people with similar heartbreak

[@daphnedherbert]

I am so sorry for your loss, and the pain your family had to experience. I really hope we can help people get away from these awful practices.

[@erikavaleries]

I’m so sorry, that’s horrible

[@zoecrowhurst9177]

Ruby has a few sisters who also have KZbin channels. I remember her sister Bonnie making a video detailing/teaching how she does “blanket training” with her own children. Blanket training is one of the methods taught in the book How to Train Up A Child

[@ElfInTheFlowers]

Yikes. :(

[@alinac5512]

What is blanket training?

[@ckwanita907]

​@@alinac5512 they go over it in shiny happy people documentary, to me it seems like a tactic to try to remove free will from little kids.

[@captainblacksand8484]

​@@alinac5512blanket training is when you put a crawling-age infant on a blanket and h*t them on the hand if they try to go anywhere beyond the blanket. You just keep doing that until the infant is too afraid to try again.

[@manarcabrera2528]

If her sisters do the blanket training they need to be investigated as well.

[@missellehansen]

Thank you for doing these. As someone who grew up on the more extreme side of the Mormon cult, I know first hand how much "fasting" or moderate starvation imposed on children is a large part of the church. More people need to know.

[@Empathy-and-resilience]

this is so sad. They also have this practice in evangelicalism and it enabled my ED for years and really messed with my relationship with my body and food. Basically it taught me that if I didn’t eat then perhaps I could control outcomes of a certain event. It was highly encouraged for people as young as middle school to fast for things they want 😬 I just made this connection right now… wow.

[@missellehansen]

I definitely resonate with that. Thank you for sharing. ❤❤❤❤

[@davidfrey5654]

If you're going to say that, then include the entire intermittent fasting movement, which is in the millions and who swear to its health benefits.

[@missellehansen]

@@davidfrey5654 Those are adults. No child says "I should fast for the health benefits."

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

​@missellehansen right there is a huge difference in an adult CHOOSING to do IF than a child being forced or told that it's some religious edict. Or you can control events if you don't eat.

[@soyandoat4106]

Hello Dr. Honda, thank you so much for covering and bring more insights into this case. Just want you to know that Jessi’s pronouns are they/ them, they are identified as non-binary. Love from an international fan

[@laurahamner5461]

The son Ruby was speaking of being a sexual predator was the 10 yr. old boy that had been tied up! She also said he became addicted to porn at the age of 3! That's the reason he was tied up, which no-one believed as he was filmed all day, every day and allowed 0 time alone.

[@chayabrody722]

There's no ten year old boy it's a 12 year old boy and 10 year old girl

[@MariaRodriguez-dx6sm]

And they were homeschooled and had very restricted access to electronic devices as computers or cellphones with zero privacy. They had not contact with their extended family for at least 3 years. If there was any true about Ruby's accusations against her child, it would mean that the child was abused and was acting out because of it, making Ruby and Kevin the primary suspects of said abuse

[@amyholman354]

It seems that she knows that Russell is the one who caused her arrest, and is retaliating.

[@simmerdowncookie]

Jesse, the niece of Jody, said she was accused of masturbating and having sex with neighbors. She said she didn't even know girls could masturbate at the time she was being accused. It's awful, the things these women imagine about their kids to justify their horrible actions is crazy!

[@Mama_Bear524]

@@simmerdowncookiemy mom had a friend who accused my nephew who was a little kid at the time of being sexual with her daughter who was a little bit older but also still a little kid. Same woman accused my husband of cheating on me with her daughter because he saw a pic of her online that was very inappropriate (she was a teen) so he told her to take it down. This psycho called me at 11pm when I had a new baby and a small kid. I’ve never forgiven her since then. Some people are disgusting like that. Everything is sexual.

[@lucydearden5625]

I recommend listening to the Mormon Stories podcast! You get an insight into individuals' experiences within the organization and their deconstruction process. I think they just released an episode of an interview with one of Jodi Hildebrandt’s patients too.

[@caitlinlangelier1771]

Highly recommend Jessi Hildebrandt's interview on the Mormon Stories podcast. Not only gives insight into Jodi's history of abuses, but her ethical violations as a therapist. Would love a reaction video from Dr Kirk.

[@holively7]

Yes, absolutely this. The podcast where Mormon Stories interviews a Adam Steed is also one I'd love to see Dr. Honda react to

[@AmeliaTauber]

This, and also Jessi’s pronouns are they/them

[@TaraxOfficial.]

Doctor Honda, it really highlights something for me to see the difference from when you first started talking about these families compared to now. I understood where you were coming from in the past but struggled to watch your coverage of families like the Plaths and other fundamentalists due to my own exposures and traumas. To see the seriousness and concern you have after further exposure was validating in a way I didn’t expect to hit as hard as it did while listening to this episode. I hope you’re doing okay and able to decompress. Thank you for pointing out so much of what you did in this episode.

[@charityzimmerman4529]

I also struggled with his coverage of the Plath family because of my trauma from growing up in an extreme fundie cult. I had to stop after a while because the benefit of the doubt he was extending (though intellectually I understood his perspective and agreed with him) was just too much for me. I feel terrible for him finding out suddenly that there's this whole world where children are terribly mistreated (often under the guise of religious doctrine) and abused. I hope you are in a place where you are surrounded by safe and loving people. ❤

[@TaraxOfficial.]

@@charityzimmerman4529 I hope you’re doing okay as well, and surrounded by support and reminders of how valuable and lovable you are.

[@charityzimmerman4529]

@@TaraxOfficial. Thank you! ❤️

[@sistermadrigalmorning233]

Jodi Hildebrandt is a licensed mental health professional 😢 Reporters checked and her licensure was still current in Utah when she was arrested.

[@sintara8442]

Oh wow 😮

[@Aw_tig]

Yes I believe the Mormon church referred families to Jodi for therapy and classes etc, so I think the Franke family were having sessions with her for some time before they started their own business together.

[@ckwanita907]

I heard she lost her license on a podcast, not sure how accurate though

[@sistermadrigalmorning233]

@@ckwanita907 she temporarily lost it in 2012 for 18 months, but got it back.

[@allblueberries]

She has a Master's in Educational Psychology, which I know sounds as if it's a psychology degree but it's not--I have the same degree. It's sad that that degree would be considered valid.

[@SamanthaCarolii]

So many people I know, including myself, had parents who used or at one time read to Train up a Child. I’m very surprised you’re so surprised by it’s prevalence but I’m glad you’re covering this. I find a lot of healing in your commentary.

[@naticantet]

There is a mormon stories podcast episode on KZbin that describes the abuse Jessi suffered. It is devastating. They had a terrible story. They also mention that Jodi Hildebrand accused a lot of people of abuse and addiction. The podcast also interviewed Adam Paul Steed, who was accused her of terrible things. It is terribly sad

[@Applauseify]

The book you mentioned should not be even sold.. throwing cold water on a child and sleep outside in snow?? I have been spending sleepless nights trying to cover my child in reasonable room in the middle of cover when she throws them away and then feels cold. How can they even suggest this shit? Any parent tries to put layers on kids based on how cold they feel and add few more extra layers as you are obsessed with having them cozy and comfortable and with full tummy. The day meals get delayed I feel like failure or my kid does not like what I cooked and eats less, I feel so frustrated with thought of her being hungry.. what kind of messed up idea is this cult or book seems to be promoting. How sadistic these people need to be

[@indiaandrews6996]

The sexual stuff is so my mother. I had bad acne. My mother was all aboard for clearing up my face until the doctor suggested using birth control to regulate my hormones. That was the last time my mother took me to the doctor to clear up my acne. She thought I would have sex. As an adult, I tackled my acne on my own.

[@mandi4794]

I have not been able to stop watching this case. Jessi Hildebrant's story and then Adam Steed's stories are so harrowing. Jodi is truly a monster, and Ruby seems so sadistic and cruel. I feel so bad for all of the victims. I hope the kids get the help they need.

[@ArcherGinger]

Ruby’s children were being held & duck taped at JODI’s house! Ruby accused Russell, the child that escaped, of abusing other children & watching porn from age THREE! How could that be done in her so closely watched environment. Per Jessie this was also Jodi’s MO in her accusations in her therapy history. It has reported that she uses this to discredit the person who is reporting her to authorities.

[@rrenaee]

To hear you say Mormon and Cult in the same sentence (even if you say certain organizations) made me want to cry. I grew up Mormon and the mindset of growing up in it was a lot to unpack. I left when I was 18 and finally feel at a good space at the age of 33. Thank you for talking about this ❤

[@xstanstanstan]

I worry that everyone is just believing Ruby and jumping on this idea that her son has hurt other children and not that she's lying to make her own behavior seem "less bad". Of course, we can't know and taking some precautions (that are not harmful to the child) is important, but I hate that so many people are just hearing her say this and going 'Oh, so he had these issues' when we know Ruby is a liar, is manipulative, and we already know is more than willing to harm her children for her own benefit.

[@delagonz4295]

Yeah, she’s proving she’s crazy, why are we believing her.

[@delagonz4295]

I think Rubi is taking advantage of church sexual scandals and throwing a hail mary here.

[@Baqota]

The interview that was first shown, with Jessi, was an interview they gave in response to the allegations Ruby made about her kids. Jessi wanted people to know that they also confessed to terrible things under coercion, terrible things they didn’t do. Jessi gave that interview because she wanted the public to know that this was also a pattern of Jodi’s and that people should not believe Ruby that her her child was a sexual predator.

[@HalloweenFreak365]

THANK YOU for addressing the cult/religion aspect of this. It’s been infuriating watching everyone talking about the want for KZbin fame without acknowledging that that’s only where they ended up, but the start of all this, the entire reason for them justifying their actions, IS their extreme religious beliefs. I guarantee you the church knew about the abuse and sanctioned it.

[@zachbills8112]

I was raised Mormon and the description of incipient sexuality was extremely accurate and showed a lot of insight relative to my experience. I've talked to other people about this and their experience wasn't nearly as bad as mine was and I think personal scrupulosity played a large role. This connects with your discussion about "cults within Mormonism" which is inaccurate. Everyone is part of the exact same organization with very standardized doctrine and teaching materials. The extent to which it has harmful cult-like influences and control on ones personality is largely based on personal temperament. In the same congregation you will have progressive cosmopolitan liberals with extremely healthy and positive beliefs sitting next to arch conservative preppers whose minds have been deeply twisted by the Church. It is an extremely strange and nuanced place.

[@dpatton4507]

If you listen to Jessie, she tells how Jodi gets children to “confess” to things the children have never done. But to hopefully stop the abuse, the kids “confess” to anything.

[@jerrysdancer3769]

Jodi and Ruby are equivalent to the sadistic nuns in catholic school. Religion is their foundation for this behavior 😢

[@hadbetterdays8118]

No abuse of power is. Keep in mind power doesn't corrupt it reveals you are the person behind your power and you have the choice to use or abuse it. Trust me plenty of atheist, muslims, buddhist, hindus, etc will abuse there power

[@TheCeruleanCrayon]

Trauma and human nature is the foundation for this behaviour. Religion is the justification.

[@leonafrank8423]

I went to Catholic school in the 60s and 70s, and the nuns were never as bad as these two.

[@liliangel3551]

Yep

[@katella]

I've heard many accounts of how the Native American children who were kidnapped from their families and put into "boarding schools" were treated in a similar sadistic manner by the nuns and priests. They were taught shame and fear and perversion. The trauma that they suffered has turned into a generational trauma. The perpetrators hide behind the guise of religion. 😢

[@kimmcdonagh6756]

I cannot imagine working for CPS on child-abuse cases (even if I was a trained therapist). I imagine it would be very difficult and stressful . Dr. Honda (and anyone else who's done it) are absolute everyday heroes.

[@margyritchie2702]

They think underwear ads are porn. Jessi said she was accused of being a sexual predator and they didn't understand sex because they were a virgin. Jody considers tampons masturbating

[@Tink00]

I was not ready for Dr. Honda to use the phrase "have some of that ass" 😂😂😂

[@Quistis]

Ruby accuses the little boy out of revanche. He was the one who escaped so he needs to be “punished”. This happened also to Jesse.

[@mikeblevins4277]

Russell and eve

[@stacie1595]

She also did that to Adam! It's a patern of behavior at this point.

[@jodimarie379]

I watched the full 3hr interview with Jessi and listened to a lot of the 5 hr interview with Adam Steed who filed a complaint against Hildebrandt. What I heard both of them say is how she weaponized the people in their lives to join in the manipulation. Adam Steed had emails where Jodi coached his wife how to manipulate people who were supervising his visitations with his children. Combine that with Jessi saying Jodi uses what is already in people to hurt them and I think you have someone who finds budding/low-level narcissists and trains them into pros who in turn do her bidding.

[@manarcabrera2528]

I was in tears listening to Adam and Jessi’s story. Jodi and Ruby are two sick individuals.

[@liliangel3551]

Even behind bars, she still managed to isolate and punish poor boy for speaking out

[@irism6423]

A lot of people are also speculating that Ruby is lying about her son sexually abusing the 20 girls as a way for her to justify her abuse towards her children. She also claimed that she and her son sexually abused children TOGETHER. Obviously I have no idea either way

[@davidfrey5654]

Where did you hear the claim that RUBY and her son sexually abused children??? I've listened to all the news stories and have not heard that.

[@TheWanderingNomad]

Even if the child did that, torturing and starving that child is not an appropriate treatment. She failed as a parent to protect those kids who she alleged that have been SA other kids. She also failed her child by not getting the appropriate help for his sexually deviant behaviour

[@irism6423]

@@TheWanderingNomad completely agree! It’s hard for me to wrap my head around that someone would think that saying these things would justify her abuse, if that is what she was trying to do.

[@terryexpose]

I highly doubt that this is the true but I have a theory on this one. Jessi Hildebrandt (niece of Jodi hildebrandt) said in her interview that Jodi would abuse her and cause her pain until she will tell her her sins even if there was no sins to tell her but Jodi will not stop until she will made something up. I think it's possible that Ruby and Jodi did the same with Ruby's children so they made up that they did this so they will stop the abuse. Maybe this was the case.

[@kameronwilliams334]

Laughed out loud so hard at the ass comment. I'm pretty sure my neighbors heard me! LOL

[@euodiaclitterhouse4726]

Waiting to watch the Duggar deep dive because it is really personal to me and I need to be emotionally ready. Hearing you express that you are learning about the culture, the Pearls (To Train Up A Child), and everything around it is such a relief to me. I have been watching you for so long and I would run into frustration when it seemed like you didn't recognize or understand spiritual abuse and the way religion is weaponized against people in a wide spread cultural way. I feel like you are learning and starting to get it and it is SUCH a relief and a catharsis.

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

Another interview you must watch is of Adam Steed, who was also Jodi's victim. Jodi managed to get close to his wife, destroyed their marriage and ruin his life. Sometimes it can be hard to follow him and what he is saying, I guess it's due to his traumatic past, he went through A LOT and his interview helped me understand Jodi's methods.

[@aimeeyork6319]

Yes, Ruby the 'mother' of 12 year old Russell (the boy who escaped Jodi's compound and ran to the neighbors for help) said in court that he was sexually assaulting family members and "20 neighbors"), and that he's been addicted to porn since the age of 3😳 What in the h? What mother does that??

[@Lynsey17]

I would be interested you doing a video with Jordan and Mckay. They've covered the Franke family extensively, Mckay I believe is a Social Worker, and they are ex-Mormons who have been able to provide a LOT of insight into this case. Also - re the SA allegations - I don't know if it was J&M or someone else, but I do remember someone getting into details of what certain Mormons considered "deviant" sexual behaviour which does beg the question about what normal activities Ruby Franke might interpret as SA. Especially when Jessi Hildebrandt has stated that use of menstrual sanitary products was interpreted by Jody as sin.

[@izamartian90]

18:29 “Strong urges to have some of that 🍑✨” -Dr H 🤣 whoever does the out-of-context clips, here’s the perfect one lol

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Ha! Yeah, when I woke up this morning, the podwife said that phrase to me. I forgot I said that!

[@izamartian90]

@@PsychologyInSeattle you’re wife is hilarious 🤣

[@twelvesmylimit]

18:33 Well, THAT'S going into a compilation. 😂

[@audreymirandarusselman]

Jessi coming out was such a great support for Rubys son

[@daphnedherbert]

Don't believe Ruby or Jodi when they claim the 12 year old victim was abusing children. This is a pattern that she does, where she claims the person coming for therapy is actually the predator. She did this to Jessi(her niece) and she did this to Adam Paul Steed. Given how much Jodi has lied about this, I find this really horrible and it must not be automatically assumed. Jessi and Adam made it clear their stories.

[@KateMulder-zm2qc]

I am so glad to hear you have been researching all these issues. I noticed in some of your reaction videos in the past that you were ignorant of these issues with IBLP, purity culture, and the Pearls. I grew up with some of these beliefs (IBLP adjacent) and they are super harmful even in smaller doses. My dad was unapologetically abusive but my mom has realized how twisted these beliefs are now. She was raised even more intensely than she raised us. It is great to hear you denouncing these things.

[@roseobrian2586]

I really appreciate the 2nd trigger warning you gave. The 1st didn’t do it but the 2nd got thru.

[@ThisMelMel]

Would love to see Jessi speak with you directly about this… I think they’re fairly local to you. I’m sure they’re getting lots of interview requests… but maybe not by people like you. I was raised by To Train Up A Child. My mother died and six months later I gave birth to my son… so a concerned extended family member sent me the book. I must admit the hosing off idea seemed kind of reasonable… until it was proposed that to be consistent, the activity would need to be performed in the dead of winter. Never mind the practicality issues around frozen hoses and water lines. Needless to say the book was responsibly recycled despite my fondness for the person that gifted it to me. Thanks again for your continued coverage.

[@OnsceneDC]

Your empathy is wonderful, Dr. Honda. Despite all you've seen and heard, you haven't let it jaded you.

[@m_piper]

I grew up in a fundamentalist church and heard about that book growing up because the adults would talk about it and recommend it to other parents. I'm not at all surprised that this was the type of content inside of it. I'm glad those children are safe now and hope they are given the resources needed to work through all of the abuse they had to endure 💔

[@noprogressionisregression6854]

Couple of points: I remember learning in developmental psychology about the four types of parenting. There is permissive, neglectful, authoritative, and authoritarian. These women are guilty of authoritarian parenting. Authoritative is actually what you want. I think this is a very important thing to be knowledgeable of. After hearing the niece of Jody speak, I believe she is truthful and it seems to me that Ruby was heavily influenced by Jody but that is not a justification for her actions. I see a lot of sadism and very much look forward to hearing psychologist speak at the trial as to what her diagnosis could be. There's no way in hell that both of these women do not have some sort of mental defect and/ or trauma. 😮

[@KyleTanKH]

Wow, thank you so much for making this, and opening my eyes to shit that shouldn't have been done to us in my own childhood 😢

[@akirashiori6265]

Even if the kid was hurting other children, given the circumstances it makes her look worse as she either did nothing to prevent it/treat it, or played a major role in this child developing that aggression. It’s a lose-lose for her, she’s just too far up her own ass to see it

[@theWightRabbit]

Ruby Franke also claimed one of the kids was watching p0rn as young as 3 years old-- which is ridiculous. A toddler isnt going to search those terms on a tablet, or get through browser safety settings. So who was putting that on for a baby? Sounds like some truly terrible things happening in that house (or she's a revolting liar, with no concern of what those claims could do to a child in the long term).

[@mml0082]

It’s enraging to hear abusers being protected by the government and on top of it not having to pay taxes . That needs to change

[@LexxLifts]

I hate that Ruby's disgusting accusation of her son is getting so much media attention. She's just trying to justify her abuse and punish him for speaking u

[@brandonwilliams4050]

I expected nothing less from someone as evil as her, so while it angers and disgusts me, it doesn't shock me. What *does* shock and absolutely enrage me is the people who seem to actually put stock in these accusations and weigh them as if they could possibly be true. I don't consider Dr. Honda to exactly be one of them, since he was merely going over the possibility and what that means if true. But...I have seen several comments where people have the audacity to advocate for believing the claims for fear of "silencing potential victims" it actually makes me want to shake them and demand to know what is wrong with them, even though I already know the answer to that. It's people like that who will haunt this kid for the rest of his life, giving him the suspicious side eye buried in their sympathy as they mull over his evil mothers accusations. At best its more horrific fallout from her insanity and cruelty and at worst it is a way to punish him from jail that is going exactly as planned.

[@simmerdowncookie]

Sex in the Mormon religion is definitely what you were mentioning. I know a lot of women who cried or waited until days after they were married to have sex. The religion emphasis on having sex or thoughts is not right, and we must always choose the right. So when the women finally get married... they can't even enjoy having sex because of years of being brain washed on how bad of a taboo it is. And once you get married, everybody will ask "when are you going to have kids?" I know a lot of women who went to therapy for this sex issue. It's really really sad. I wish they would have a more positive sex message...

[@saintsomnia8030]

IIRC, when Jodi was arrested, she said both the boy and the girl that were found in her house "should be kept away from other children", but only the boy has been accused of SA. Watching some of Ruby's most recent videos, it's clear that the two of them, both the youngest of her kids, had become scapegoats. There's a prominent video of Ruby not giving them presents for Chiristmas but forcing them to watch their older siblings open theirs. She also constantly emphasizes how they weren't phased by her punishments (probably cause they were so young when her punishments got more extreme) and that she had to create punishments they would "viscerally react to". So yeah, I don't trust a damn thing out of her mouth re: the SA claim, it's just her attempt at revenge.

[@moustacheandnisi]

I think that Jodi tortured the boy into "confessing" to sexual abuse, and he just did it for her to stop, without even having any clue of what he was saying.

[@ProfZ.]

I really feel for Jessi. Not only did they get this treatment, but is now being consistently misgendered all over the media. Jessi’s pronouns are they/them.

[@corilewis]

At 1:13:00 of the Mormon Stories Jesi Hildebrandt interview she talks about Jodi using the sleeping outside in the snow and the tampon fears thing. So I think you’re spot on that she read that book. Also in that interview they talk about Jodi having dreams and visions then she’d accuse people of doing things she dreamed about in real life. I would be interested in you reacting to or deep diving into Jodi’s therapeutic approach and how the religious aspect plays in. Appreciate your commentary and perspective as always!

[@MadeOfQuestions]

Notice there are a few brave enough to speak out against Jodi, despite the things they "confessed" to in therapy and could be used against them by her. But NO ONE is speaking out for her. None of her 2 million followers, none of her former clients, no one, has come forward in her defense of her tactics, work, therapy, not a single person has come out to defend her! I'd be interested to see who might write her a mitigation letter when she is sentenced...

[@deborahlindstrom3039]

I have a master’s degree in educational psychology just like Jodi Hildebrand. Even if she wasn’t delusional, she would still be in no way qualified to be a therapist. We took ONE micro counseling class. We end up as school psychologists and do testing and school-based counseling. In California, we can be licensed as LEPs, but our scope of practice is limited. I also have an LMFT. Apparently the laws in Utah are very loose.

[@CARATMom]

I don’t like that the KZbin video not only did not blur out the children’s faces but then reported that that the child was molesting neighborhood kids while showing their faces. There is a strong case that Ruby threw her kids under the bus. I doubt that the child did what she accused him of.

[@sarawithoutanh8302]

This is what I left a few comments about when you were doing welcome to Plathville. They are followers of the Pearls. In fact, they met Olivia and her family at some Pearl camp thing or something. Anyway I know you get tons of comments, but that information is such important context to this stuff. They aren’t just quirky people who want to live off the grid. Thanks for covering these important topics.

[@Applauseify]

This gets more and more sickening somehow. I understand irritated with kids and saying mean stuff ( been there) but when you calm down you apologize and owe to your shit. She seems to take pride in her messed up way.. tying kid seems like mechanism from 19th century. How could she ducktape, blind and do shit to child. Yes they are annoying at times and push your buttons but they are small and fragile and how can you fall to this extent. I m now wondering people I see online about parenting is their reality what they show or are they simply using kids for attention.

[@Kellyc888]

The child she accused of abuse is her 12 year old son, the same son who escaped, she claimed he has SA'd over 20 people including his younger sister. She also claimed he became "addicted" to pornography at 3 years old. She is doing this to discredit and punish him further. 😢

[@FluentWithHayley]

Would you ever consider going through the newer Plathville seasons?

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

I knew some of thid kinda teachings but never this widespread. This explains a lot on how our country is full of hurt, mean, broken people. There is a problem and its been going on a long time. These puritanical methods passed owns from european draconian culture is at the heart of this country. Crime and punishment. No empathy. Weakness is bad.

[@suejones7390]

Either way doesn't matter. Chicken or the egg. They're both evil and these kids were tortured by both of them. Neither deserve to breathe outside air ever again. And these babies need to be put in protection. And given a chance to come to terms. Not like those other kids. Got abuse in foster care. It's so sad. They're never gonna get over this. They're never gonna be who they should have been. Who they could've been because of the abuse. What they're gonna be somebody new. And they have to find out who this new version of themselves is. What it does start with is the fact that they're strong.

[@annafdd]

Dr Honda, you HAVE to watch Jessie’s (who goes by They/them, btw) interview on Mormon Stories. You have to. She has a lot of extremely important things to say. Most of the abuse was psychological. Anything that made Jessie feel worth was taken away deliberately. They enjoyed reading, so they were forbidden to read. They excelled at school, so they were withdrawn from the school. At the end Jessie, who was headstrong and rebellious but also a virgin who did not even know that women could masturbate, confessed to being a drug addict and having had an abortion. Jodie would lock them in a cupboard and have them write down their sins, and over and over she said that they were hiding something so that they confessed to more and more fantastical things.

[@justarandomsapphic]

18:30 Oh my gosh I couldn't stop laughing at this bit. Love your ablilty to joke even when talking about serious stuff.

[@SevenLlamas]

Franke also claimed the same son was watching pornography at age 3. That statement smacks of Jodi Hildebrandt, who former clients say had been breaking up Utah marriages by persuading women if their husband felt lust toward them, he was perverted and a danger to his family. I'm ex-Mormon, experienced abuse in childhood, but studies + observation show prevalence of Mormon abuse is no greater than in society at large. In fact, the older women in my former ward (parish) urged me to not ever hit my children. Franke is an outlier. I've been out 35 years and honestly don't know if Hildebrandt's wacko teachings about marital sex have become mainstream in M'ism.

[@tundeterez]

The way you say the word "children"...goes strait to the heart.

[@jenniferalpiner7974]

1st time watcher!! Love yah!!

[@allied4927]

Jodie Hildebrant is the mother in Carie

[@twelvesmylimit]

"Dirty Pillows" 😂

[@beatrizcarter9172]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 get that hass avocado 🥑 Thank you for the laugh during such a difficult topic. Great job 🎉 Dr. Kirk

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

The police are reopening Jessi's case!

[@JMPschool1]

Even though it seems unlikely the accusations against that child are true, the fact that she believes they would justify her treatment if him is still disturbing. It is also unsettling that she would be so willing to expose her own child like that in order to prove detaining and abusing him was somehow necessary. If he really was consuming pornography at 3yrs old, that does not reflect well on the parents. Either they are not properly supervising him, or leaving him with someone who exposed him. The behavior she accused him of could also be the result of abuse he experienced and was not given the tools to heal from. As cruel as she already seems, lying about something like this would make her even more cruel.

[@t.j.5044]

Since they believe lining up stuffies on a bed is sexual, maybe he lined his toys up on the bed so they forced him to confess to abusing others? Jodi convinced the wife of an abuse survivor that he was going to abuse his child. I commented on the last video about what your thoughts are on how this accusation told to the world by their mother could scar them for life? It literally can't be unspoken. I am shocked she could say those things in open court. All six of those children must be devastated.

[@sarawithoutanh8302]

I highly recommend watching the Mormon Stories podcast with Jodi Hildabrandts niece, Jessie. Once watching that and other things I’ve watched about her it is highly unlikely, in my opinion, that the child did anything sexual to other kids. This is Jodi Hildabrandts MO. Like to a surprisingly patterned way… Maybe the child did, but the pattern is that Jodi just decides (or is told by God) these sexual deviances of her “clients”/victims.

[@whiteraven69]

Listen to the interviews of Andy also another LDS victim of Hildebrant and Jesse’s story on Mormon Stories Podcast, their is so much more below the surface. Hildebrant grooms her client’s , conquers and divides marriages and destroys and shames men in her “group therapy” sessions. There is so much to this story we are only witnessing the opening of Pandora’s box.

[@katelyn.l]

I'm glad someone is trying to point the media toward Jodi. Those who have followed this situation for several years had identified her relationship with Ruby as intensifying the abuse from the beginning of their collaboration. Connexions really imposed a whole new level of high control, to your point.

[@jacquelineglitter4328]

She needs to be charged for all those crimes dating way back.

[@delphoeneevenhuis5199]

I guess the theory of RF committing actual SA needs to be explored but I don't believe it! Either Jodi has been forcing false confessions again or she & Ruby are making mountains out of molehills! Little kids playfully patting each other's behinds is not SA! Kids don't think that way, unless they have been perped on in some way!

[@alyssaandersen8349]

The Mormon stories podcast video with victims related to this case have been so powerful and saddening I think it paints a really clear picture of Jodi, I doubt that Ruby is much better

[@coriroo9323]

Jessie, Jodi Hildebrandt's niece, said that those same allegations were levelled at them, and were completely untrue. Jodi is known to focus on "sex addiction." I do not believe that boy did anything wrong. I will need firm evidence first. She accused him of looking for porn at 3. If any of it does turn out to be true, it still isn't his fault. He's just a kid.

[@alllifematters]

I saw another story last night separate from this one showing kids duct taped up too as a punishment and so now I'm kinda wondering if this whole duct tape thing might actually be a common Mormon or conservative christian thing to raising children?

[@TheOldstufffan]

It’s worth watching Jessi’s interview on Mormon stories podcast, comprehensive and insightful.

[@WrenBird449]

Just a reminder, Jesi Hildebrandt's (Jodi's niece) pronouns are they/them! It may seem like a small thing, but remember that they are being retraumatized by this situation, and even the smallest affirmation can help uplift them!

[@AmeliaTauber]

This, thank you!

[@indiaandrews6996]

I was born in the mid 1970’s. My evangelical mother disciplined my brother and I along the lines of the IBLP cult to which the Duggars belong. Since I was born and raised much earlier than the Duggar children and my parents aren’t IBLP, I wonder if the discipline ideas have been floating around among evangelical circles at large for decades. I came across this information on disciplining children because it baffled me and at the same time didn’t surprise me that my mother defends the Duggars and Kate Gosselin’s parenting choices. I had to look into the Duggars more. When I came across these parenting techniques my jaw dropped because there were my mother’s techniques were. Not all of them but a lot of them.

[@Thinkforyourselves64]

Since Jody’s been promoting this abuse for many years, lots of these kids are now much older and can defend themself…. it will help them to HEAL, now that they know, the way they were treated as kids, is not correct or normal. They might even have a little chat with their abusers and make THEM uncomfortable for a change. Make them SQUIRM a little!

[@jacquelineglitter4328]

I think they can legally do more than a little chat now that they're over 18.

[@maybe11349]

My parents utilized “To Train Up A Child” while raising me and my four siblings. As an associate pastor he also taught seminars on it. It infected our church and ruined my childhood.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Ugh. Sorry to hear that.

[@emilysilver9844]

Ur amazing thanks so much for ur analysis ur so kind

[@jamalex]

Dr. Honda - it’s definitely worth listening to Jessie’s interview on Mormon Stories

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

At 12 the boys in our family get made fun of ! We say LONG SHOWERS . We embrace puberty and we don't alienate them. They are normal

[@EvonRomano-ge2og]

When I was young the women in our Christian Orthodox Church would try to gently tell my sadistic mother that she should be a little gentler towards me. My mom LOATHED them and found an evangelical “mega church “ with a “special “ group of inner circle members. The inner circle members of this mega church (which eventually shut down bc of police investigations)….the inner circle members of this church loved and validated every thing my mom did to me and then gave her some new ideas…….She eventually divorced my dad and left town…..Thank God!