Pulling Test!! How Much Can Deere 1025R Pull??

[@Diantane22]

By the way Tim. Your videos are the main reason that got me to buy the 1025r. Sure I really needed to get a lot of work done on my property, but wasn't quite sure how to do it. Had only heard that this tractor was very good so I researched it and found "Tractor Time with Tim" videos to steer me in the right direction. Thanks Tim!

[@Tractorman-xj4gt]

"Cheeseburger ballast" - a critical element for use in scientific research to ensure accurate results !! Informative video as always, Tim - thanks !!

[@codyjimmy4507]

a tip : watch series on flixzone. Been using it for watching loads of movies lately.

[@HamiltonvilleFarm]

I find videos like this very interesting. Good job on it Tim. You're always thinking of ways to present new and useful info for the viewers. 👍

[@brentbrown8393]

That was a very interesting and informative video, Tim, Your interest in showing us the fairest testing possible without the aid of terribly expensive laboratory equipment is much appreciated. We changed our oil and filter this summer, the tractor is a 1991 model 855 and has the same power it had the day the tractor was delivered 28 years ago, and still has no leaks or seepage anywhere on the tractor, which I believe is because the oil is always clean and free from dirt. In Vietnam, we had sandy conditions. sometimes times due to sand getting into a seal on a flight control servo on one of our choppers the seal would seep. To to fix the problem we would fill a 3 gallon? hand pump water fire extinguisher with cleaning solvent and have a crewmember sit in the helicopter's pilot seat and move the aircraft's flight controls while we flushed the servo with solvent, the solvent at times would allow the dirt to be worked out of the seal and the servo not have to changed out. So I know for a fact clean is important for hydraulic anything.

[@s1283]

Cool testing! Great stuff! So sounds like people are confused about the premise behind hydrostatic vs a gear transmission, and how they generate power to the ground differently. A gear transmission gets its power directly from the engine via gear ratios. Higher gears give you higher speed but less power and vice versa (Lugging a car in tip gear low rpm you have no acceleration, but in first you can take off quick but can’t go fast). With hydrostatic your uncoupling the engine from the wheels by using a pump to build pressure against a valve body that can be opened or closed. Pressure is based on rpm of the engine and flow based on how open or closed the valve is. In neutral the flow is bypassed at a lower pressure to recirculate fluid does it doesn’t overheat and cool the pump. When you open the valve (press either pedal) the flow is redirected to a maximum flow based on how open the valve is. Consequently when the valve is partially open you are building more pressure in the valve body than in the circuit your calling flow to until you hit stall pressure, (which is the relief / maximum allowed pressure the system was designed set at) at which time the valve is limiting your force through the transmission. With the valve all the way open the flow can be unrestricted to pressurize the entire load on the transmission giving you the most power until you reach stall pressure again. When you’ve stalled the transmission with the valve all the way open all excess flow and pressure is re directed through the bypass circuit again to keep fluid moving through the pump so it won’t be damaged from cavitation or overheat. So of course clean filter and fluid will help keep maximum flow and keep pressure restriction to a minimum for the most power to the ground. Hope that’s understandable lol.

[@fergusgorman]

s1283 pressure isn’t based on rpm of the engine, pressure in a hyd circuit is based on the the torque of the prime mover

[@fergusgorman]

s1283 this will likely be an open loop circuit with a load sensing pump

[@s1283]

I understand that, but in order to get the lift max out of these systems you have to run the rpm @ max throttle. Understanding at idle I can’t lift a full bucket but at WOT I can lift it even albeit slow against the relief/valve. If I’m at WOT I expect to run high enough pressure to overcome the relief valve, but at an idle does it produce the same pressure? Is it constant pressure pump? Or a variable pressure pump? So an affect of rpm against the prime mover then? I’ll meet you in the middle there. Im not sure if there’s any load sensing, these sub compacts are pretty bare and simple w/low gpm’s. I believe just open-center. One pump provides for everything. I wish they separated the hydraulics on its own pump, but that would be asking a lot of such a tiny platform.

[@s1283]

Oh I did some looking, only thing I could find on the pump for the 1025r is that it’s set @2000 psi off the manifold regulator and the 1023 and 2025 gen 2 have pumps set @ 2150 psi. Not sure why the 1023 has more pressure, but I don’t see anything about load sensing. Also to satisfy my curiosity I found they didn’t put dual pumps in until the 2032. Guess maybe I’m due for an upgrade haha

[@fiorevitola880]

Good test, I think you proved that a Hyd Oil change and filter does make a difference. I'll make sure to clean and replace oil and filter 100 Hrs. on my JD 1023E that is for sure. Thanks for showing us, Tim. You the man!!

[@allenhunt3070]

That is an interesting test. Now let's see some comparisons to other tractors! Glad to see Katriel made it back home for a visit!

[@bigjim5723]

i think them was inserts from older video of them cleaning the tractor. look for the one of taking the plastic off the seat video.

[@johnmorley6786]

Funny you should post this today Tim. I had to pull my stuck Ram 2500 diesel with a partially full dump trailer up a slight slope today with my BX23s. The combo In total weighed at least 10,000 lbs. I know it was rolling weight but I was still impressed. In an earlier comment someone stated that they wished Tim still had the BX he used to run the comparative tests on. If your looking for specs on BX pulling power, Messick's did a pull test comparing Turf and R4 tires. Search for "Messicks Turf Tires VS. R4 Tires". Most of the results were reasonably close to the 1025R with the one exception being low range, 4wd, R4 tire pulled more than his load cell could measure (3000 lbs load cell). Could have been an anomaly but I suspect that having cold or cool hydraulic fluid as I believe Kobotas did will make some difference. What sub-compacts can pull is really quite remarkable!

[@DougAlesUSA]

I just shared this video with a forum member who is considering purchase a light weight box blade for his 1025R. I reference this video, the max pull at 6:42 and the specifications for the light weight box blade, which were under the max pull number. Thats as far as I’m going as I ‘m spent due to any answer I gave seemed to be rebutted. I decided I don’t care if he buys the wrong attachment and pulls it apart. How you are able to read some of the comments I see on some of your videos and not get phased by it has me respecting you in yet another way. I guess your skin is simply thickener then mine. Thank you for continuing to produce and share your content. Both of you Tim and Chrissy do an amazing job.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Thanks Doug. Sometimes the comments really bother me, other times they don’t. The more absurd, the less they bother.

[@DougAlesUSA]

@@TractorTimewithTim I like the way you look at it.

[@arhzee3310]

I’m not sure how that equates to rolling weight but I use my 1025r to move boats around at my shop. My driveway has about a 7% grade and I’ve never had a problem pulling boats up it. The heaviest was about 10k lbs. I enjoy your videos and appreciate the time you put into it.

[@bobfoulke4875]

Tim, I always enjoy the videos. The viscosity of oil varies with temperature, so without knowing the temperature of each test you can actually draw no sound conclusion, especially with regard to the filter as the oil is filtered on the way back to the tank, not on it way to the pump. If the filter can't pass enough oil (dirty etc) pressure will rise and eventually the filter bypass will trip and excess flow will not be filtered at all, allowing unfiltered oil back to the tank then to the pump. (this same process happens with the engine filter and is based on the idea, it's better to have enough oil flow regardless of it's cleanliness). Also oils breakdown over use and time gaining moisture and dirt. Hence oil and filter change interval. Hope this helps and God Bless

[@bones549]

Fluid dynamics. I'm a woodworker and my dust collector works best after I clean it as that filter clogs dynamic pressure is impacted reducing the capability. Be interested for yo to retest at 25 hr increments to see when it drops.

[@MoeJae86]

Poor mans science is good enough science for me. Actual footage and actual real time testing and numbers to boot. Good enough for me and you got a subbie.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Welcome! Thanks for the kind words.

[@mrgoodwrench1103]

Enjoyed the testing Tim . You've convinced me to change my hydraulic fluid before winter arrives. I'm at 95 hrs now. It has to be difficult to keep coming up with new ideas for videos but you never cease to amaze .

[@kenmaine9437]

Most be a old video, trees are green in Nov. and you have Different rear tire on the 1025r, very informative video Tim, Thanks

[@realbss1]

What I learned, have a cheesburger ready if it's getting slippery it will create traction ?! :D Definitely surprising results after the oil change, I would not have expected such a noticable difference ! For the pulling force against pedal way - actuall that one did not surprise me, you have to understand how a hydrostatic drive is working. You are always "pumping" as long as the engine is turning, what you do with your footpedal is just tilting a slide plate inside the pump of the hydrostatic drive. Stand still means actually no flow of oil. By tilting you create a wedge where the pistons slide on, either forward or reverse. So the more tilt of that control plate the more flow the pump will create, the more flow the more engine power you need and the more flow you have combined with some kind of viscosity of the fluid you are pumping you get to a point where either the engine will stall or the pressure relief valve will open and let the over pressure out. So the sweet spot is basically reight before the valve opens and the engine is not stalling out - in an ideal world this is not connected to the engine rpm. In the real world we have viscosity and therefore the oil could not get away fast enough through that pressure relief valve and it simply create a slightly higher pressure that the pressure relieve valve is rated for. There you get the additional pulling force. BTW: It's the same why your FE loader is able to lift more on high RPM than in idle - you already had a video on that some time ago. Note : For my 2036r ( yeah, living in germany :) ) it will definitely stall the motor in high gear range if the pedal is full way down. Max. pulling force in high gear range I get around half of the pedal way. (Just tested that by accident some time ago when I had to pull my little excavator on the trailer up a hill - nope I did not overload the pulling capacity, was still a few kg below the rated 2500kg of the tractor :) ... ). In low range it seems to be unstoppable, it even bend the trailer hinge on the tractor "slughtly" - I had the connecting ball mounted, by the dealer, on the upper, thin, thing of the tractors pulling bar. Fortunately the dealer replaced it on warranty and I created a more ridgid connecting design.

[@ajsturtz]

I know this is an older video Tim but I can explain the reason you are seeing a slight increase in drawbar pull when you continue to push the pedal down further. Since you are continuing to increase displacement of the propel pump, and its dumping all of its flow over relief, the further you push the pedal the more oil you dump over the cross port relief. The relief valve has a pressure rise rate that is affected by the amount of oil being dumped over the relief. So, you are saturating the relief valve and its taking more upstream pressure to push the oil over the relief valve. That increases the loop high pressure to the piston motor in the transaxle, which bumps up your drawbar pull a little. If you repeated this test by doing a pulldown (get the towed vehicle rolling, then slowly apply brakes until you stall the 1025R) you'll also get a much higher max drawbar. Stalled piston motors have a much lower starting torque than a piston motor that is spinning over 100rpm's, due to efficiencies and the design of axial piston pumps & motors. In fact, on the same ground I bet if you are doing a pulldown you can end up spinning the tires in low range and/or stalling the engine. Love your videos! Keep them coming!!

[@randallservidio5919]

Curious to see this test run again after the turbo install.

[@Bobcatboy]

I saw a big Casey in the background I think also you need to do the same test with different tractors

[@photocontrol]

Pretty good pulling power with Johnny! Changing the oil makes quite a bit of difference!

[@qfdforme]

Or cooler temps make more power.

[@danielsharon524]

Yes, very interesing. Courtney did a demo & his 1025R pulled his F-350 & gooseneck (about 11-12k lb.) up the driveway/hill from his shop. W/just the truck, it did it w/ease. W/the trailer too it strained a bit bit still did it. I suspect it would've pulled a couple thousand more pounds. Was very impressive.

[@jpl8290]

Tim, very informative! I have a 2038r, are you planning on performing this test with that tractor? I think it would be interesting to see the difference between the two tractors for those trying to determine if they want to purchase a 1 series vs a 2 series tractor.

[@bob2973]

Tim , I wonder if the fluid and filter clean , would increase the lift capacity as well.

[@danielsharon524]

I was wondering the same - Seemingly it would.

[@emerkamp1]

The internal relief is set by pressure (usually a spring), by pressing the pedal more it allows for more flow. So you might gain more pressure by increasing the flow. Kinda like how your loader lifts weight. Anytime you hear the engine being pulled down more, you should be using more psi to turn the wheels. It all really depends on how Deer have their hydro system setup.

[@austindetzel1136]

Hey, just an FYI I believe it has a pressure relief to prevent too much stress. However in reverse it doesn't, I've stalled mine out in reverse.

[@David-qu7ob]

Very informative video! Would be really interesting if you could do a load cell test on the loader at the pins with the load cell anchored at different lift heights just to compare to what JD sets the specs at... Kinda like you did with the weights in the bucket

[@SlackerU]

I bought used & went from burnt engine oil to synthetic & gained just over 100 RPMs under load. It was dropping ~200 RPMs when engaging the mower on engine oil with 100hrs.

[@jlbush8249]

I believe this test. I hadn’t noticed much while building my pond with my 2720 that over the hours the tractor was losing a little power as I also slowly got used to the difference. However, after completing the pond and then changing the air, fuel, oil, and hydro fluids and filters there was a noticeable change in the sound of the tractor (quieter) and the power was back to when it was new. It now has just under 400 hours and runs like new again!

[@5axmachine167]

Like you, I always thought that letting up a little on the go pedal gives you a bit more pulling power versus having it all the way down. Maybe having the tires stationary instead of turning changes the how the hydro system reacts to pulling a load?

[@74beeper97]

You guys are killing it with this channel.... Love it

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Thanks for the kind words. Glad you are enjoying it!

[@raceneely8185]

Great episode. It would be investing to see the new tires repeat this test

[@carlstrohm3785]

Your test would be great as an example of you pulling a stump out of the ground. Pull to your max and if it doesn't move, get a bigger tractor. It however is a poor example of towing. If towing on a flat grade for example, your highest reading would likely be just before the trailer moves. After that the force would decrease. If you gradually push the throttle after that, I think you would find the force to remain similar but the speed would increase. Obviously uphill the force would be a little higher and downhill you might read zero. Short answer is your test was valid for certain conditions and not others but still neat to see the limit for our small tractors! Love the content. Keep up the work.

[@Believer21777]

The racket is hard to get used to it sounds like it is about to explode. I wear ear muff for mine .The local rental yard only rents these and they get the crap kicked out of them and seem to keep taking it. I love mine. Nice job on your videos. Thank you.

[@steventhomson2042]

Very interesting. I found your test extremely interesting and surprising. Not a lot of difference between idle and full throttle. Again, great job!!!

[@wraith3951]

just bought my 1025r today to be delivered once I get back from Oregon. quick question. I know the relief valve inside the hydro transmission protects the engine and transmission from loading up and breaking stuff but this has to have some kind of negative influence on something. Don't you think

[@jaytee66]

You did the first test in 2wheel drive and the second test in 4wheel drive. I feel that may have skewed the results. I do like these kind of test. Thanks and keep up the great video’s!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

No, watch the video closely...I put it in 4wd during the first test....I just didn’t have it in 4wd at first. The low range test was in 4wd. ...you can see me switch it...but I didn’t mention it. Sorry

[@MrBemma1]

That's an incredible amount of weight when you consider the loader, bucket and ballast that you're also pulling. It's also stunning to see the difference between high and low range! I'm not sure about the hydraulic oil change giving the tractor more pulling power, maybe the cooler temp in the evening gave the engine a few more ponies? This was a very interesting video

[@FishFind3000]

I wanna see the f250 in low range do a pull test.

[@SquareGoated]

I thought it was a f350

[@PastorDavidFranklin]

Very interesting results. Certainly the end results are nothing to sneeze at. Robust little tractor. Would be nice to see some comparisons. Thanks for taking your time to demonstrate the pulling power of the 1025R!

[@jimmyspencer4019]

I recently found your channel and as a subcompact tractor owner I enjoy your videos. I wonder if ud be able to get a higher number without the weight? If maybe holding up the 500lbs could be using some of the available hydro pressure. It's amazing what these little tractors and do. I know what I've towed with mine 10ftdump trailer filled with manure, all the trailers around the farm, and my 6000lbs hurricane deck boat. Its very impressive.

[@genemiller4148]

Noticed the Good Works decal, another good source of information

[@markpowell4701]

Anything you guy's do is good, and like the variety too. Thanks TTWT

[@donandjeanfritz9430]

I've been looking at the 1025R and found you video very helpful. Thank you.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Welcome to our channel! We have hundreds of videos dedicated to the 1025r! Check em out!

[@joemann6210]

I have a 2025r and routinely pull a 4500 lb. personnel lift around my yard. I realize I’m not pulling the whole weight as it’s a rolling load but I estimate it’s at least half. I tried it with a 1025r but couldn’t get enough traction not to spin. I tried the 2025r and it had the traction it needed. I’m very pleased with ny 2025r.

[@larrypoeschel6871]

Tim, very interesting. I agree with everything you said in your video. You covered it very well. Thanks, Larry

[@nathanbrodeur]

Tim cleaning the filter gave you more flow and if you filter the fine material from old oil it's still good oil

[@ghallums]

Good video Tim. I totally agree that changing the fluid/filter can make a big difference.

[@michaeleisinger8668]

Tim, yes there reliefs valves but they don't open until they get to a preset value. So oil is slipping between the rotating group and valve plate. When pushing all that oil over the relief you generating lots of heat and sheering the oil. FYI I've been in the hydraulic business for 25 years.

[@Sevalecan]

There's a point as you're pressing the pedal where it increases the force a lot less for further pressing the pedal. Makes sense as you've hit the relief valve and it's going to start bypassing a lot more fluid for a lot less pressure. That said, in the range before that seems to engage, and I've experienced this on hydrostatic tractors too, you increase pulling power somewhat linearly with the pedal position. In a positive displacement pump like your hydrostatic pump, you would think with no movement on the output, it would increase to a pressure high enough to engage the bypass valve. Either hydraulic fluid leaks inside the pump or hydraulic motor side quite a bit, or there's a fixed amount of bypass that doesn't reach a certain level of pressure until flow rate is increased enough by the pedal. Not 100% sure what the reason is, it may be intentional(built-in bypass) to allow you to control output torque in the first half of the pedal rather than speed, this would be preferred for operating near or at a stop I think. I suppose you probably also want some fixed bypass to keep the fluid circulating under the relief valve pressure so it can be kept cool.

[@mburke1211]

Wow, the stable of equipment in the background with the US flag waving is awesome! Enjoyed the video. I had no idea the 1025R was such a beast!

[@srwdiesel18]

Long story short, i went to pul my 14' dump trailer (3500 pounds) out of the snow in the backyard with my F250 and buried it in the snow. For the heck of it, I then took the 1025r and yanked it out no problem. I was shocked. This little tractor is incredible.

[@k321mf]

Good video. May I suggest a stock tractor pull between subcompacts? Maybe 3 or 4 brands? I'm interested to see ( for fun and competition) and can't find any example on youtube or anywhere. This video is the only thing close. Thanks 👍

[@briansmith8405]

Wish you had a 2025 so we could see it there’s any difference in the 1 to 2 series. Not sure if the 2 series has larger pumps or not.

[@4Jeffv]

Brian Smith 2025r does have a slightly bigger pump. It’s pushing just a bit more pressure in the lines. And the hydraulic pressure is where you get your power from. It’s why the 2025r can lift a bit more and probably pull a little more also. But I’d love to see the same channel with a 2025r. I have one and would love to see the difference

[@thedp]

@@4Jeffv yes but, you can adjust the pressure up on the 1025/26 a couple hundred PSI.

[@NRFA21309]

Very impressive Tim. I was just wondering how much they pull.

[@markkeller9378]

Great stuff Tim. Being a new owner of the 1025R it’s interesting to see all of your testing and options. What I realize is that JD must be listening to these videos, as many of the upgrades and mods are already in place on my 2023!! My question to you is, does 2400 pounds of pulling for a tractor this size good, fair or poor? What were you expecting? Great videos as always! Thank you!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

It was basically the same as the Kubota BX

[@ddacombe4752]

is the transmission fluid hygroscopic? maybe replacing the old water contaminated fluid with new makes the difference

[@jimpetersen8900]

I'd like to see what the ventrac will do

[@Wolfhound.]

same lets see the ventrac with and without its extra wheels

[@philipchamberlain9563]

I'd like to see how much more Jonny 2 would pull as well

[@1teddy1979]

Less then the john deere I can tell you that

[@jimpetersen8900]

@@1teddy1979 what kind of proof do you have

[@1teddy1979]

@@jimpetersen8900 I have pulled against one multiple years with my.1026r at our local garden tractor pull open class. The ventrac was not even close to pulling the same distance with the weighted sled. I have trophies to prove it

[@jeffreyallan2545]

Good info Tim. I would be interested to know what all that testing did to the new fluid. Having worked for Allison all those years, I’m sure you’re aware of what having the transmission is a stall condition does to fluid temps. I’m sure you didn’t overheat it, because if probably would have gone into limp mode. Just an observation.

[@billfenner7084]

I am glad to see that Casey has been returned to the homestead!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Nah, this was several weeks ago. In fact, Casey left between the two pulling tests!

[@BiffsEquipment]

Excellent test Tim! This is the stuff I like to see most. Having those shavings in the screen certainly has an affect on hydraulic flow in the Transmisson at least that’s what I’m gonna say. The first time I heard you say Deere suggests a longer interval for the first oil change I said in my head no no no do it at 50 lol. Great video and this just proves the point; also, who wants all that metal sitting in there transaxle for all them extra hours? I know I don’t. Great job!

[@lazerbeam3928]

I suspect the viscosity difference between the used oil and new is what really made the difference. Oil, regardless of type will break down (looses viscosity) to some degree from heat/usage over time.

[@sebastiandecker3090]

How did you get the tool box on the side vs the back?

[@randalmiddleton8068]

Seems like there's always a debate between the 1025 and 2025... try that test for us.

[@stephaneviau3909]

Yep, it might help me make my final decision on what I buy!

[@texaschief8389]

Very interesting test. Air temp does impact diesel combustion more than most people would think, and I for one, would be interested in the atmospheric conditions for each test (but I'm that kind of combustion nerd). I am sure fresh oil and maybe more important fresh filter, had a large(er) impact than the air, but great work given your budget and resources - Job well done. Thanks!

[@kentandrews3474]

Thank you for doing this testing in my opinion your test are real world test

[@herbertbracy8679]

Good test Tim, wonder what effect the clean oil and filter would have on hyd lift power

[@dextervanostrand8611]

I was able to pull a John Deere model A (1950s) out of the ruts it had sunken into and moved it with my 1025R in 4wd in low, also moved a 2000 GMC jimmy with all four tires flat, sideways in my yard. It is a tough little tractor to say the least.

[@hvnfun8601]

Makes me wonder what Jonny would pull if it a solid connection instead of a fluid drive. Then again, I think if one wanted greater power, one would acquire a larger tractor.

[@KevinBenecke]

That was neat. It would be interesting to see what the pulling power would be in reverse because in my experience, the reverse pedal doesn't have as much travel as it does going forward. I'd be curious to see which direction has more pulling power.

[@babranson1]

The oil change surprised me that there was that much difference. It would be interesting to see the values with a tow rope vs the chain. I bet they are higher. I pulled a two ton honey wagon out that was sunk clear to the axles with my 5740 Kubota and a two inch rope.

[@tintin395]

is it summer down there?

[@fergusgorman]

Unlikely cleaning filters etc make a difference. Torque to the wheels Psi or bar is determined by relief pressure of pressure compensator setting. You’re altering the angle of the hyd pump when youre pushing down on throttle. As the angle changes so does the pressure.

[@airealguy]

Can you try the same test but pulling in reverse. It would be interesting to see if there are any differences in the power if pulling from chain hooks on the bucket. You could also try putting the breaks on and curling on the bucket as I suspect that we might be able to generate max force.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Interesting ideas!

[@Freecan67]

Changing the Hydraulic Oil erly mad the difference. One of my Parts guy said to change the Oil erly. First Oil Change is important. Do erly if Posable. I will do mine at 100 hrs. Thanks for the Testing. God Bless. I am not using my Johny this Winter. To much Salt in Canada.

[@wildbill23c]

Definitely change the fluids, it is a lot cheaper than a new transmission or new engine LOL.

[@jerrynibarger9148]

This just made me want to test my old Cub.

[@jaybee2344]

I hope Tim would start a Compact Tractor Show and do a max pull test...

[@richardpeoples2887]

Do you plan making this test part of your standard evaluation for tractors? It would be more difficult, but could you develop a test where you could test a mechanical tractor? I have always felt that a mechanical tractor had an advantage over a hydrostatic transmission.

[@charlenemilam313]

would like to know if you used heavier hy guard oil or low vis hy guard when you changed trans oil? tractor is shipped with low vis as best that i can tell.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I use low vis.

[@ritterjon]

💥 You’re going to have some interesting new videos with that load cell. Good investment! I bought a new toy recently as well. Mavic Air. I’m having fun. 👍 Keep on tractoring!

[@srobins05]

very interesting! I will prob be chainging mine at 100 hours for that reason as well... why not! I am at 80H now. so getting close! thanks! very cool!

[@DavidSmith-gi5yv]

Hi Tim, Very interesting test. I'm seriously considering getting a 1023E with a quick change bucket, QC grappel & mower deck with load&go feature plus a rear ballast box. Let me know your thoughts if you would..

[@4Jeffv]

It seemed like you never gave it a chance to max out while doing the pedal test. The scale continued to go up. Couldn’t tell if you left the pedal where it was if it would max out then press the pedal further down and see if you get more power.

[@thomasdesmond2248]

Tim the rumor about the hydrostatic pedal. Was only true with early models. Later models have better valveing. The new valves have improved the the flow rates of the hydraulic fluid. God bless

[@neilschuette2346]

Very interesting!! Do u have weights stripped down for a reason?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Stripped down?

[@neilschuette2346]

Oh my. Strapped down.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Had one bounce off in my trailer once. I didn’t lose it, but it bounced off. So only there for road transport.

[@TallTexasGMan]

Did you have the weight in the bucket instead of on a pallet as in the first test?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I don’t think so....not sure.

[@michaeldoherty158]

I'd be interested to see how much it would pull in a trailer. I have a 2520 and I pulled an f150 out of my neighbors yard because he was stuck in the mud. It was up hill about 6 ft rise over 400 feet. It pulled it with ease in low range

[@GrampysTractor]

So what can you do with 2000#s of pull? that should be a great aid in all your lifting test. You need to take Johnny and the load cell to a Mini tractor pull and see how long you can pull the sled

[@dannba415]

I'd like to see if running each test over undisturbed ground makes a difference. I think running the tires over the same area of the ground creates compaction and grooves for better traction.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

the goal of this test was to ensure ZERO slippage (100% traction). Eliminate slippage as a variable. We achieved that goal. Allowing slippage introduces another variable, and makes testing more difficult.

[@12collier]

That’s a lot of power for a small tractor. I would have thought the numbers would have been lower.

[@dalepeters9638]

Thats another real world test it would have been cool to do that to the Kubota thanks for always expanding your testing

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I did! ...they were very close to each other. I was tired of the series, and I think the viewers were as well, so I didn’t include it.

[@mymorristribe]

@@TractorTimewithTim uh, no we were not tired of that series. :)

[@lcee6592]

Wow that’s a lot of pulling power! And yes, a clean tractor always has more power than a dirty one...🤥

[@tejeda7324]

so.. isn't the tractor also pulling the added weight of the suitcase weights?

[@hilltopper600]

how does that conpare with a 4x4 F150

[@t.conner4798]

Very interesting Tim, thanks. Just a word of caution, whenever your pulling something like that, make certain you have something heavy over the chain in case something fails. You certainly don’t want it snapping back at you or Christy. Safety first, but another great video! 👍

[@TractorTimewithTim]

ha! If I break that chain with a 1025R, I have a BIG problem!

[@t.conner4798]

@@TractorTimewithTim well you never know. Bolt fail, link is bad, just don’t want to see y’all get hurt.

[@hoslerfarms6360]

Tim u should make a video of all your tractors and implements. Keep up the good work Tim love

[@shawntaulien3978]

Tim I just want to say thank you! Your videos helped me tremendously and because of you I purchased a JD 1025r and just love it! I did see on your ROPS there looks like some hooks or loops of some sort. What are they?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Bigtoolrack.com. I forget the exact name of these.

[@padroooo]

I wonder what a comparable gear drive tractor would do.

[@danielsharon524]

Great test Tim. Like seeing this type vid as well as the on site work. Load cell would probably be great for loader capacity testing too. Just watched Neil @ Messick's do the same type test with a Hydrostatic vs. Gear drive L3901 so pretty fair test. I won't be the spoiler here but check it out. I'm considering a L3901 or 2038R and hoping Tim will do a compression:). Kubota doesn't seem to have anything else in that same HP as I think an LX would be a better comparison with respect to features. I'm old school & like gears but the advantage of a Hydrostatic for doing loader work & for using something like the Brush Mulcher Tim demo'd seems invaluable. I've even pushed snow in a p/u w/a manual trans and other than when drag racing back in the day I've never burned up a clutch but I could see doing loader work getting old with a gear driven tractor & burning up a clutch and even cutting grass in tight areas could be much more difficult. As much as I really want a gear driven tractor I think Hydrostatic is probably the better way to go.

[@nunyabizness6734]

So, everything else being equal, your pulling power is going to be greatest when the torque output of the hydrostatic transmission is the highest... which is going to (generally) be at lower speed input. A hydrostatic transmission can move fluid at either a high flow rate and low pressure or low flow rate and high pressure, but not both at the same time. The extra pulling force you were seeing as you gave it the beans was likely due to the transmission running at a more efficient speed given the input hydraulic flow/pressure. There are a lot of other factors that go into it too.

[@tyrrellroach5872]

I would have to say the one thing I find very annoying with my 1025r is you can’t tell when it is powering out because the engine rpm does not change. I would like to see the transmission and engine lock up a little better. Especially when pulling implants like the box blade where it isn’t attached to the PTO

[@mattjacobus3005]

This is good to know thanks again. wonder what the others will do?

[@hanktothehendrix]

Does this mean that a 1025r can't pull more than 2500 lb of weight? If I had a trailer loaded with 3000 lb, on wheels obviously, would it fail to move it?