PUNK HAS A POSER PROBLEM...

[@baronvonkek8467]

"Punk has a poser problem." "Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes."

[@kingsizeblues616]

😂😂

[@PASTRAMIKick]

In Revolutionary France every 60 seconds, only 60% of a minute passes, now they were punk

[@PariahQuail]

This.

[@troyevitt2437]

50% of people in the country make up half the population.

[@whatewer23]

Wait, there are punks in the poser community?

[@losfogo7149]

Half of the hardcore punk musicians i know dress like they are in Weezer

[@danielflanard8274]

Cannot beat comfort

[@RegisteredCornball]

It's about the music, not an image. Major respect to those hardcore bands

[@viscountrainbows2857]

This is too true. Also even the crust punks work normie jobs when they're not fitted out. They call them Shows and never Concerts for a lowkey reason

[@Nonamechannel420]

fr real punk fashion

[@deadmanparties]

Im gonna have to to disagree w that. But Only punk rock bands wears like that

[@dshafterh3897]

Punk has had a poser problem since 1978, but you figured that out yourself.

[@funkynutsmcgee]

I could agree with this statement the sex pistols were famous back then only for their image and style and the attitude not for the music

[@Metalheadreaper87]

Pop punk is pretty much the most poser subgenre in punk ever!

[@funkynutsmcgee]

@@Metalheadreaper87 green gay came along and ruined punk forever

[@Metalheadreaper87]

@@funkynutsmcgee yes they did. I can't stand that liberal garbage band.

[@ameliaward7429]

@@Metalheadreaper87 Punk isn't a genre no matter how bad people want it to be.

[@Tremuoso]

truth is, if you make your whole identity about wearing a costume, how can you be anything other than a poser by definition.

[@pfzht]

EXACTLY

[@warhorrorspondent]

Yes, every day becomes Halloween for such peeps

[@christopherknowles]

i'm spending hours on my hair every day, but not like that.

[@EstradaDuran-sg6co]

so all punks are poseurs?

[@christopherknowles]

@@EstradaDuran-sg6co you didn’t just realize that now, did you?

[@meatmummie]

Being punk is so tiring. Honestly just be yourself and don’t label yourself for a subculture. Form your own beliefs and fashion style, that way no one can find a reason to call you a poser

[@_sandy_]

true that.

[@maxwellkazemba2299]

Yep, it's pretty much all larping

[@MCR5_274]

Finally someone I agree with but sadly you’ll still be called a poser dude

[@PapaRoboto]

You're still gonna get called a poser, man.

[@PvtFlowers]

@@PapaRoboto look man i just hate people and enjoy music with good basslines. Let them call me what they will.

[@brandonflaig8255]

Maybe the real punks are the friends we made along the way 🙏

[@_Pauper_]

And William Burroughs just got his wings 👼

[@randomguyontheinternet7940]

The glove finally fits

[@blackmetalreuploads1573]

Hell yeah, punks stay united.

[@jessenunez7205]

The most punk thing to do is just be yourself. Like what you like and dress how you like and believe what you like. If you want to dress like your in Weezer and play hardcore punk while you mostly listen to music outside of punk go for it

[@malcolmtucker7981]

I like this

[@bugeye1917]

i think at the very least you must hold punk political beliefs

[@mattpunx]

Punk is inherently authentic, but authenticity isn't inherently punk. Same as liking punk music isn't the same as being an actual punk. It's a matter of concept differentiation.

[@JohnAsuncion666]

nah thats bs, punk has a clear ethos you must follow, it's not this "be who you want to be kumbaya" crap, go be a hippie somewhere else. anti establishment, anti commercialism, DIY. and make it fast and loud.

[@johnhareiel5118]

​@bugeye1917 ummm, Punk Political beliefs would be to think for yourself, not lick some Democratic Party- Hillarys butt. That ain't Punk

[@skinc4rver]

the only punks i know that even look “punk” every single day of their life were the streetpunks near me a couple years ago. and i’m pretty sure that was because they didn’t have any other clothes to wear.

[@themurderofcoke]

Can confirm, as one of them for years, the day i became not homeless, I got new clothes. Well like a few weeks later, rent ain’t cheap. Nothing worse than wanabe oogles, that ain’t a good life at all.

[@LicoriceLain]

it's hard being broke all the time

[@skinc4rver]

@@LicoriceLain i just know that zyanose shirt smells like straight dookie but i love em to death great people.

[@zeese426]

Same, the only punk that I know who looks punk too is a girl who escapes mental health facilities on the regular and I also think she's homeless although somehow she's studying and somehow has enough money to be stoned every single time we talk

[@marsoblivi0n945]

Punks a mind state and certain views. You just are one or your not. You can dress anyway you want. Hell Elliot smith was punk in most ways just the way he went about making music within the industry and his views alone. Most everyone is a poser though and doesn’t get this. Enjoy all music that’s real and you relate with. It’s all that matters. Stay true to you.

[@JimmyBoah]

I stopped labeling myself. I am not interested in conforming or following the laws of society. I am not a culture. I am just me, and that is fine.

[@MoreThan_Bob1776]

Fuckin A right!!!! 🤝

[@itstreasonthen2076]

Tbh it’s not just punk, but also goth and metal. I don’t mine ppl dressing more sterotypical, however it’s like a 50/50 gamble if they actually like the music or just do it for social media points. Edit: Personally though, most ppl I met at shows actually were into the bands/music and were lots of fun to chat with ^^

[@youridiot898]

Ive met someone who thought Nirvana and Metallica were clothing brands

[@fungustheclown666]

Fvck man, half the guys on my campus wearing those damn black metal font style shirts, that say some random ahh word, have absolutely no concept of metal and are starting to get to me. Can't ask them what band the shirt is from because they either aren't from a band or they genuinely don't know where theyre from😭

[@viscountrainbows2857]

One time I asked a dude in a vest with, I shit you not, 5 or 6 Misfits patches on it, innocently enough, what his favorite song was. He had no answer. Literally he was like "Oh, I dunno". Dude, this is an answer I expect from a Nirvana or Iron Maiden shirt someone got from K-Mart because they thought it looked cool, not someone FESTOONED in patches that clearly took time to put on. I think I ran into, and I don't say this lightly An NPC.

[@viscountrainbows2857]

​@@fungustheclown666I have mixed feelings on that, as I saw it coming up in the 2010s heavy. I.e. crewneck sweatshirt with a cat sporting an inverted cross that says "Chill" in a scratchy metal style, and featuring heavy neon because lol ironic I don't hate it, it just makes picking out metalheads vs just terminally online, that much more difficult

[@thefluffyaj4119]

as a goth I feel this really hard. I think it's worse with goths since our label has been so basterdized from its og meaning that people literally don't even know there is goth music. people think goth is just a pretty girl in black or having eyeliner. I get so excited when people tell me they're goth only to have them go "lol um what's a bauhaus" 90% of the time. thankfully if you go to your nearest scene or music event you'll be sure to meet majority actual goths. that is, if you have a scene near you :'D (my nearest scene is 2 hours away)

[@krautismo]

Punk's not dead - only smells like it is sometimes

[@MasterBotttle]

No, stop being delusional. It's completely dead, the actual "honesty" to it's beginning has already passed on long time ever since the start of Pop "punk"

[@certified_tableflipper7063]

@@MasterBotttleL take

[@Kumquatbutterscotch]

That's just the crust punks

[@sickfitz4256]

“Punk is dead, and we have killed it” - Friedrich Nietzsche

[@fungustheclown666]

​@MasterBotttle Says the edgelord 16 year old with no activity in the real underground music scene.

[@jk-76]

Growing up in the 80's, I laughed at "punks". They claimed to not care about what people thought but dressed in a VERY specific maner and listening to the exact music as everyone who looks like them. They would talk about other "punks" behind their backs about "not really punk" and "tourist punks". Posers, all of them.

[@ThotlineLA]

LA punks were different man you would never know they were into that music if anything they’d be a cholo

[@23joanlee]

you're either full of shit or talked shit on (read: were afraid of) the poser punks that dug on depeche mode and new order to feel radical and maybe piss off the folks. ever shot meth on acid? ever fucked on an actual altar in a real church? ever seen gg allin in the flesh? uh-huh. ever bleed yourself to let out the pain? ever took it up the ass and banged a pussy simultaneously? ever seen william s burroughs or noam chomsky or robert anton wilson speak live? ever been beaten by pigs in handcuffs? or been ejected (as in permanent 'bye-bye') from your blood family for being 'a freak'? of course you haven't. that's not socially bankable. you don't know about real punks because we don't look like postcards, don't care for anybody's rules (especially not some 'punk's') and only come on here for the chance to talk shit on some actual bone fide posers. so???

[@kenon6968]

All the dork music subcultures are super stalinist in their factionalism, it's all about being a teenager trying to develop an identity find something that is only... Anyone acting this way after they get their frontal cortex patch should really reconsider their priorities.

[@Fragadactylops]

Culture and subculture is when like-minded individuals congregate to participate in specific rituals that mean something to them. It wouldn’t be “punk” if they all didn’t share a style and music taste.

[@jk-76]

@MatthewImbo But it isn't "punk" to be just like everyone else. Posers need to fit in.

[@BurntDisc]

The worst thing about punk is punks talking about other punks and debating whether they are true punks or not

[@itstreasonthen2076]

Dunno how or why, it’s part of every sub culture I‘m part of but punks are the most annoying when it comes to it

[@ndogg20]

Like a religion that breaks off into different sects, each sect having its own gatekeepers accusing the other of heresy. All the while claiming Punks Not Dead while rejecting anyone with any interest in it as poseurs and killing it daily.

[@Skaatje]

Nah. Real punks' only question is "Do you have drugs?"

[@lewisb85]

@@Skaatje you drink? do drugs? or are you edge? is pretty much the only 3 questions.

[@itstreasonthen2076]

@@Skaatje depends, my local scene is more of a mix of anti drugs/alcohol and competitive alcoholism

[@matts2436]

i have a theory: subcultures all got watered down with the modern internet. being able to show the whole world what you do at all times incentivizes larping. the aura they had before fones cannot be recreated easily. but ofc maybe things just seem different when you look at old grainy videos :P

[@LilView]

That's not a theory, it's reality. The internet has watered down everything.

As soon as anything hits the mainstream it's ruined. Happened long before the internet.

[@kenon6968]

It wasn't any different in the 90s, the audience was much smaller, the local scene dive bar or middle school class... people have always formed these cliques and trying to get clout in whatever group they are.

[@ArchSchizo]

Nice theory! If I may add: it's not the internet, but social media. Real life identity, economic incentive, too much to "lose" from getting banned from any given place, those little numbers that act as prestige on every site. Everything is to appease the algorithm. Note how different YT comments / low-view videos are from corporate YT. Look at how "karma" made Reddit into the Soviet Union of internet forums, and I'm not talking about the politics. The internet was bound to go mainstream as a whole at some point, but only because of the centralization. Reddit swept forums into subreddits, and only got more centralized from there. KZbin sustained all other video platforms, and now decides culture with an algorithm and selective enforcement. Twitter is trying to be the everything app. Things get worse before they get better, I just hope the "worse" in this case doesn't stick that way. Politicians have noticed how awful the internet often is, and keep floating the idea of government identification as a way to hold people accountable, instead of keeping the digital world disassociated with real life like the golden age.

[@hillbillyhullabaloo]

They were like that before, too.

[@Pluh1227]

Calling people “punk posers” is kind of a dork move, but the mfs on TikTok are posers

[@just.a.guy324]

You mfers in the comments are the one’s going “erm actually 🤓” about the video

[@Pluh1227]

@@just.a.guy324 what does that even mean

[@velvetinedrapes4359]

@@Pluh1227 it means nothing. My guess is you triggered a tiktok punk poser

[@AdonisMediaProductions]

@@Pluh1227 just another idiot spouting nothing, you are spot on, man.

[@SamLazier]

What I've noticed especially in punk and goth scene is the infuriating need to be "better" or "more real" representator of the scene to the point it just becomes parody of itself..

[@Snyperwolf91]

It transformed from being an individualistic expression into a collectivistic fashion-show with huge lack of personality and insecurities about their inflated egos .

[@user-vn1di4oq4w]

Bro...wait til you get into the black metal scene haha

[@user-vn1di4oq4w]

​@Snyperwolf91 maybe on the internet. Chicks like this are rare to see if ever IRL. And def rare to see at actual shows cuz all they do is listen to Spotify. Thats how they find new bands instead of actually seeing them.

[@BrocksJellyFilledDoughnuts]

This problem is only worsened by the internet. It's why I've mostly withdrawn from online spaces concerning the alt scene/j-fashion scene aside from making pinterest boards. I mostly spend my days collecting music and actually leaving the house in my alt attire. It's such a peaceful way of still indulging in the subculture. The online scene has a circlejerking problem that reeks of chronic internet use.

[@bananaempijama]

Black metal scene is even worse lol

[@_sandy_]

my conservative greek christian grandma had a big ass biography book about vivian west somehow tucked away on one of her shelves lmao??? i read it and it was pretty good

[@evamosch_]

Based γιαγιά

[@milascave2]

Back in the early eighties, I defined "Poser" as "Anybody got into in the scene at least six months less recently than you did.

[@patrickbertlein4626]

No, that is not what it is at all. I'm a middle aged man with not much to show from his life but some observations from the music world, and I can tell you without a doubt for many people its fashion before music, which is what poser really means. For MOST people, its about the scene and finding a social group.

[@fatfurie]

@@patrickbertlein4626 pretty sure hes joking. a middle aged man shouldnt care about what the definition of poser is lol

[@23joanlee]

so, you, in more accurate terms?

[@chryssoraidy9838]

@@patrickbertlein4626 you're almost right. But fashion punk is ONE thing a poser does, but posers are beyond visual sometimes. I've called myself a poser many times, cuz i'm not an anarchist, and do still give a fuck about a lot of things.

[@chryssoraidy9838]

@@fatfurie You're really gonna get ageist about punk? We didn't all die yet, ya know. You don't get to decide who should care about what.

[@reubenrozeyt5716]

She's the type of person to make 30 seconds anti-capitalism rants while wearing her $1000 outfits sipping on a $15 Starbucks Ice Coffee

[@roughrambo1000000]

Most modern "Counterculture" folk these days tbh

[@makosimp5022]

Inb4 the sarcastic "socialism is when you don't own things" response from 14 year olds with the evil Helllo Kitty lady as their pfp

[@Skullnaught]

So 100% of online self described communists

[@p0werfu11]

​@@makosimp5022 socialism is when you don't have access to cia funded radio stations

[@BeverlyGallagher-zm8sg]

If you support any part of government you are a poser

[@Morslyte]

Crass said it in 1978: Punk is dead. Nothing more to add, have a good day.

[@BeeRumblin13]

Crass sucked .So yea they can say that.

[@p9thead]

Have you see the Indonesian punks?

[@theonepeanut]

@@BeeRumblin13 I like the idea of Crass - collective art project & their ethos but they sound like a brain damaged alcoholic scraping a guitar across their taint while someone plays drums.

[@NadineCross713]

They were right.

[@skippysimon]

PUNK'S NOT DEAD!!! it's just on tour with one original member...

[@pfzht]

Jello Biafra bleating in favor of the bureaucracy was the coffin nail for me.

[@EstradaDuran-sg6co]

@@pfzht wym dude?

[@pfzht]

@@EstradaDuran-sg6co check out footage of Jello raging for for the machine during COVID. His TDS is pretty pathetic.

[@urmumsbaps]

@@pfzht "he's in favour of bureaucracy because he doesn't blindly support an elitist rich new york republican" listen to yourself lmao

[@OutlawSpaceWizard]

POSERS?! IN PUNK?! NO WAY! I've never heard of this

[@cyanyd3212]

Even if you are the most crust punk mfer in the scene there’s still always that one kid calling you a poser for whatever reason. Punk is lived experience

[@FKATorp]

Anyone who uses the term "poser" unironically is probably an unbelievable dork.

[@Patrick-md3le]

Every group, culture, and sub-culture has a poser problem. You're just being dishonest or naïve if you say otherwise, anyone involved in the groups they claim to be a part of has met at least one person who's only there to play dress-up.

[@Shimlarian]

Shut up poser

[@juniorjr.]

It seems like everyone is trying to dig up every scene and subgenre that was popular over 20 years ago or older, and milk them as much as possible for online clout. The Punk, Goth, and Emo scenes are getting abused and violated. Why is no one putting a stop to this?

[@nrran6835]

Let them. You lot let it get sold out to Green Day and Blink, so dont act like you have respect for it now. Go watch the 70 year olds in Social Distortion do punk LARPing at a show and cry with some other 50 year old loser about how punk you are. Pissbaby

[@ultimadum7785]

Because there is no 2020's culture. The Internet has splintered every imaginable audience for new ideas and hand feeds them old shit to make them feel that they are part of a movement instead of starting one for themselves.

[@The-Golden-Oak]

Lets me be real though... Emo was the digging up and violating of Goth.

[@roughrambo1000000]

Oh yeah without a doubt. You're also seeing this with Nu-Metal as well. At least you don't need bear mace when surrounded by the young Nu-Metalheads these days

[@juniorjr.]

Pray that there isn't a poser version of Slipknot or Limp Biskit, it would probably have some lame trap drum beat over it.

[@pfzht]

It always did. Punk always had an insufferable gatekeeper problem too.

[@chetatkins6008]

Same with black metal. But this chick seems to get the same level of suspicion as Myrkur, likely for good reason... 🤨

[@christopherknowles]

the problem with punk is everyone is allowed so it inherently sucks. gatekeeping hobbies and scenes keeps the suck out.

[@pfzht]

@@christopherknowles nah. There's a point beyond which you're shooting yourself in the foot and actually just keeping the suck in.

[@christopherknowles]

@@pfzht sure man you’re not the problem.

[@pfzht]

@@christopherknowles I know.

[@rvt_h3d]

culture has a social media problem, welcome to some very old news

[@zappasmoustache23]

I reckon you missed the point on a few things. The main problem with this take is it’s coming from a very contemporary ‘internet’ point of view. It’s difficult to explain how different the world and people’s attitudes were before, not just in a historical/generational perspective in the way that the 70s were different to the 60s but in how there has been a complete paradigm shift. What might seem to you like ‘just dressing like a twat’ was a phenomenally confrontational statement at the time. Late seventies society was still of a very traditional, conservative mindset because the older generation then were still working through the trauma caused by ww2 and that very much bled into the overall vibe of the time. As kids we were very aware that our grandads had fought in a modern war. Previously the most outrageous thing in popular culture had been glam which was all very theatrical and colourful and fun so not really a threat. The skinheads had been a bit scary but they didn’t last very long and the music they liked was pleasant, and bear in mind rock music was still relatively new. When punk came along it was out of the blue and such a visceral, violent shock to the system. Everything about it was gritty, aggressive, noisy and deliberately degenerate in a way that nobody had ever experienced before. Regardless of what you think of McLaren and the pistols they changed the landscape entirely. I recommend watching episodes of Top of the pops from around 1975-77 then compare them with episodes from ‘79-‘81. Your generation has grown up with full access to everything culture has to offer and rebellion has been codified and commodified. We didn’t have that. Access to popular culture, particularly anything outside of the mainstream, was extremely limited and you often had to search for it, as such it was of much higher value to us and the concept of posers within scenes comes from that mistrust of the mainstream co-opting and watering down things like punk to take the threat out of them. Wearing the styles of your chosen tribe was a genuine fuck you back then, especially for punks, metalheads and goths. You made yourself a target for harassment and violence by ‘normies’. Wearing an AC/DC or Motörhead t shirt in town could get you a beating, now days you can buy them in top shop and everyone loves ‘school of rock’ and fucking Green Day. The current younger generations just seem to appropriate the surface style of the watered down versions of what came before without really bothering to understand the roots and substance of the original artefact. Which is kind of what you’ve done here a bit. I’m going to suggest you actually give never mind the bollocks a proper listen because not only is it full of excellent tunes and riffs, it holds up really well and goes way harder than the majority of what has passed for punk in the mainstream over the last 20 years. Otherwise we’ll done and keep at it.

[@tpc321]

This dude clearly doesnt have a clue what hes on about

[@urmumsbaps]

Ok boomer

[@johnterpack3940]

I remember the glory days of metal. Yeah, it wasn't a superficial style choice. We felt it and lived it. Today, they just put on a jumpsuit, do a show, then go back to their job at Starbucks looking all prim and proper.

[@MichaelWilliams85]

the true poseurs were always the ones going out of their way to look the part

[@ales6305]

What part of "Anti-Establishment" flew over your head?

[@sunstar-r7e]

@ales6305 r/wooosh

[@KrytoRift]

Nah. It's the ones who did it to sell an image

[@swagmundfreud666]

@@sunstar-r7e This ain't reddit

[@ergoth154]

What does looking punk mean? Liberty spikes? Patch jackets? Why can't people wear those? If someone wants to wear old punk rock aesthetics for fashion, who cares? If someone wants to wear a Circle Jerks t-shirt and doesn't even listen to them... that's fine, doesn't matter

[@UnvisibleINK]

"Punk has a poser problem"... tale as old as time. Or, as old as Malcolm McLaren... who happens to be as old as time.

[@kenon6968]

Underrated

[@vegetaftw1]

I haven't met a single punk in punk scene. I did meet punks in hip hop scene that don't even know what that is.

[@SelectHawk]

What venues have you been to? What bands? I feel like those things make a gigantic difference.

[@SelectHawk]

But yes, some of the most punk people I know are not really fans of the music or a regular part of the scene

[@swagmundfreud666]

Yeah I used to be into the punk scene and while some of the shows can be good, I have concluded that it is not what it likes to hype itself up to be. It isn't going to change anything anytime soon. I will coin Swagmund Freud666's rule: Every counter culture that actually has the power to cause systemic changes will eventually become no more than an easily monetized aesthetic, or it will die, because if it could really cause systemic change, it would never be allowed to exist in the first place.

[@SelectHawk]

@swagmund_freud6669 historically, the anarchist and socialist influenced labor movement made huge strides. Giving up now is just weakness. Nothing will happen if everyone is too apathetic to do anything.

[@swagmundfreud666]

@@SelectHawk Oh I agree, we shouldn't give up on socialism, anarchism, and labor movement. Punk has given up on those.

[@stedmenknox1169]

Rich white kid with spike hair, drinks beer in the street, stage dives, and breaking the rules by going back stage while wearing expensive clothing.... That's literally every punk person I have ever known...

[@23joanlee]

then you've never known any actual punks. learn more or shut up.

[@AdonisMediaProductions]

interesting. All the punks I knew ( 15-20 years ago) were lower/working class. I don't know what "backstage" is supposed to mean in this context but most of the times the local bands/scene would just hang out with the touring band. Maybe it's a sign of the times.

[@polygrinder8014]

Used to call them "glamour punks". Those were the ones who spent all their money on outward appearance, while having none of the core values. Wasn't about the clothing. Was about living the life. Punk rock is a ghetto. I wouldn't recommend it to any who thinks it's "cool". Sure, it can be fun, but there are some very dark sides to it. If you know, you know.

[@michaelmalone7231]

If Glen had stayed, the Pistols might have lasted a little longer. But PIL wouldn't have formed. Sometimes, things work out for the best.

[@returnedtomonkey8886]

So what is normally perceived as "Punk rock style" was a scheme to get rich from the get go.

[@Alifesalife]

Yep lol

[@returnedtomonkey8886]

@Alifesalife Damn... I need to up my game. Be more punk through action rather looks.

[@ergoth154]

It's called fashion and there's nothing wrong with fashion. Punk can be music but not fashion? It seemed like the designs attracted a lot of rebellious young people who were also the types to listen to punk music, it honestly seems pretty organic, but yeah, I guess some money was made so, that's bad, we can't be paying artists.

[@isa-morena]

Always has been. Partially a reason why DIY gets promoted a lot within alt cultures.

[@kenon6968]

​@@ergoth154fashion is sneered upon and not looked like art or form of expression because it's viewed as feminine that thankfully is changing with younger generations who are a little less hung up about being manly man action men

[@ryanpoe9791]

More than anything, punks has a "support of establishment politics", "communism", and "anti-liberty" problem. The punk that gave me a renewed lease on life in my teenage years, has become mired in the worst kind of politicking, activism, and groupthink and has become completely unrecognizable to me. Punk was always about individual liberty (manifested as "not giving a fuck"), individuality (anti-conforminty/anti-groupthink), and self-sufficiency (DIY). I stepped away for a few years to live my life and when I came back to it, it had flipped into a negative image of itself. Don't get me wrong, the crybabies were always there, but they were the minority. It looks like they have become an absolute majority and they enforce their worldview in a way that only religious puritans ever do. Poser influencers like this woman are merely a symptom of punk's complete cultural collapse. Punk as a culture is DEAD, but some good punk bands do still exist.

[@lewisb85]

I only remember her trying to tell PUNK HISTORIAN ian glasper stuff during her interview with him.

[@Lwilibert]

I`m 40+, all my life punk has had this element. It`s something that keeps the genre humble. Its a super enduring genre that whitstands 60 year olds singing teenage angst and "posers".. it`s part of it.

[@EzekielWhateley]

Gotta say, it never fails that, since the beginning of time, the people who complain the most about fashion are the people who consistently dress like they can barely be bothered to wake up in the morning and who are mad that looking like their dads doesn't make them endlessly fascinating to energized, young, arty people.

[@3_MeO_PCP]

TBH since the beginning of TikTok every alternative subculture has spiked the poser levels, nowadays I don't dress as a "punk" anymore. The only thing I keep using are my Doc Martens with the blue ladder laces bc at least I know those who are into the scene know the meaning of it

[@rumpelpumpel7687]

what is the meaning? ... you guessed it, i'm not a punk by definition. Never had docs, but i had a rancid patch on my jeans for some time in my late teenage years :)

[@lipittysplit8722]

@@rumpelpumpel7687black and blue are the colors for anarcho syndicalism. Which is odd because Dr martens are kinda frowned upon within anarchist subcultures because they’re produced in conditions some consider inhumane.

[@rumpelpumpel7687]

@@lipittysplit8722 thanks mate

[@ShowerOnceYearly]

but you still brag about your boots because you think it's punk

[@bronzemv4440]

You wouldn't be able to tell with me either really. I just have one ear pierced up, and wear some skateboard shirts. Play my drums and love the music. I am older and don't care how I look really.

[@oklop_pyro]

Coolea make a vid abt skinheads !

[@bappo2255]

i believe hes covered them in passing in some of his other videos on punk

[@Dylanthewizard7]

There is a wide variety of skinheads and groups tho, it would be cool to see a dedicated video ​@bappo2255

[@Skaatje]

@@bappo2255 That was about punk fashion and not about skinheads in general. And I agree on this, would be nice to hear something else than the usual "all skinheads are nazis" bullshit.

[@D00M3R-SK8]

I hope they cover "peanuts" then, which is a part of the history that the lefty skins try to erase. the culture started as a working class alternative to being a mod "basically skint mods" and the Jamaican influence came later (in the 70's, so likely 2nd wave) the hardcore left skins are adamant it all came from Jamaica, which is a load of rubbish. You had 60's skinheads, and they were into soul music, like the impressions. They really need to get their facts straight. I know people that are 3rd and 4th gen skinheads, who's dads were peanuts. they can't erase the history. P S: the name "peanut" referred to the sound their small engines made on their scooters. it sounded like peanuts rattling around in a can. PPS: I'm not saying I side with that far right abomination from the states, just that the ultra left aligned skins are basically posers, and know nothing of the true history. I honestly don't go in for left/right-BS. It's a control tool, invented by the upper class.

[@BeverlyGallagher-zm8sg]

​@@SkaatjeI can't figure out what worst wokies or nazis

[@DonaldBermudez-k6u]

Yea the sex pistols and 'punk' in general push a totally false story of 'DYI' and the organic/natural creation of music; rather, as your story shows, they were put together just like a boy band, like how Simon Cowell put together One Direction.

[@raimywinter2309]

Yup

[@RevStickleback]

His video tells, but doesn't show. Both Paul Cook and Steve Jones were already in a fledgling band, and they asked McLaren to manage them. He didn't discover either of them. By chance Glen Matlock worked in McLaren's shop, played bass, and stepped in because they needed a bassist. McLaren didn't find him either (other than as a shop assistant). John Lydon was a regular in McLaren's shop, but it took the manager of The Clash to suggest he audition as singer. Auditions are a standard way of bands filling in positions. McLaren was not an industry insider. He had no industry influence or help at all. The band were not put together by a record label. They had been playing for about 18 months before signing to EMI, who dropped them rapidly as they didn't like their controversial side. They made their name on Virgin, then a small label run from a record shop. McLaren didn't have any creative input on them musically, and while they did have clothes supplied by Vivienne Westwood, she wasn't a famous fashion designer then. She just ran a small shop. The boy band myth is based mainly on two things. First is Sid Vicious, who joined the band after Glen left. There's no doubt he got in due to his look and attitude, not his bass skills, but he was always part of the band's inner circle, being a close friend of John, not some random plucked off the street. The second reason is that McLaren was a shameless self-publicist, who liked to rewrite history to pretend he was the key figure in it all.

[@urmumsbaps]

Ok and how about bands like Crass, Conflict etc. ???

[@AdonisMediaProductions]

Oh yeah, never a fan of the Sex Pistols, those bums even tried to insult Johnny Thunders and the Dolls, the REAL punk progenitors.

[@BoomTribeEntertainment]

If you watch SLC Punk. The whole point of the movie is how all punks are posers and conformists

[@Mogthrasir1989]

It's My Job To Keep Punk Rock E L I T E

[@MikaelVoldaren]

Careful he's a hero. To bully kids on tiktok.

[@megmcguigan3857]

Great video. I've been into both punk and goth music since the mid 80's and you hit the nail on the head. Well done!

[@ElGoro]

Censoring profanity. Very punk.

[@mult1coloured]

His videos can get flagged if he doesn't

[@NoiseJunkieRecords]

@@mult1coloured Oh no, not FLAGGED!!!!

[@RevStickleback]

I don't think it's massively controversial to say Erin is a bit self-obsessed and takes her look to an extreme level to get noticed, but I've heard countless references to her attending small shows, in the US and here in the UK, so the idea that she doesn't really like punk, but is just using it to make money instead, seems unlikely. There's also very little money in punk. Bands struggle to pay the bills, let alone make a living, so she's not going to be raking it in doing what she does. As for the Sex Pistols stuff, for someone who berates people for not knowing what they were talking about, you should probably look in the mirror a little. The Bill Grundy thing, for example, wasn't a case of McLaren getting them to swear on tv for publicity. He was utterly horrified by it, convinced they'd blown any chance of success. The only person who got them to swear was Grundy. McLaren later claimed it was all his idea, but he was a rather shameless self-publicist who liked to reinvent history to paint himself as the central figure. As for them "releasing nothing", NMTB had four singles. And digging through their albums? They only had one studio album. It sadly sounds like you've been taken in by the US version of punk history, which says that the Pistols were a manufactured band, real punks didn't dress spiky (any who was actually alive in the UK back then would know that's false) and that the Sex Pistols weren't very good.

[@something_in_the_radiator1665]

your comment has it right.

[@kenon6968]

The story about the pistols being manufactured or not is probably somewhere in between what Lydon and McLaren each claim

[@lewisb85]

But she also said on an interview with punk rock review she doesn't go to shows unless she's "working".

[@RevStickleback]

@@lewisb85 I know people who have been to the Rebellion Festival in England say they've seen her at the small 'fringe' shows that take place in venues in the area. Then again, it's Blackpool, and unless you want to play bingo, or drink cheap beer until you vomit, options are limited.

[@lewisb85]

@@RevStickleback I also saw her turn down an "upcoming" band for an interview because they "weren't big enough" btw that "upcoming band" was the levellers commercially the biggest folk punk band ever who were headlining the outside stage of the R fest part of the festival. She doesn't know the scene she claims to, not knowing one of the headliners who had headlined glasto, isle of wight etc, she claims to do research but clearly doesn't.

[@wolfpredator1000]

I love how based Coolea gets in his vids

[@jon6039]

Wow you're only about 40 years too late to make this video

[@ThirdDimensionalBeing]

Theyve been saying punk is dead since like, the inception of punk. At this point, its a zombie.

[@kennethhegarty]

“We were lousy hippies. We liked cheeseburgers and we liked television.” - Legs McNeil on how punk came to be.

[@timkaine5098]

LA punk scene has been absolutely cooked for a while now if we are being honest

[@punkfan3280]

Nah LA is thriving, always has been. She doesn’t represent it at all and never has.

[@psychobillynumbnuts1]

Haven't been in one in a while but LA punk used to have the purest punk scene

[@Dushmann_]

cooked or cucked? well, it'd be both i suppose.

[@rosemarryane06]

​@psychobillynumbnuts1 i went to LA and tbh there are a lot of punks but they are kinda secretive you gotta look for them real well including the stores.

[@Shimlarian]

Always has been. NYC is the only real punk

[@paulmarko7378]

I think 20 minutes of dull monotone monologue hashing old punk photos to modern montage is the problem - I don't care what she does or am particularly interested but the fact that its made someone spend hours making this means she must be doing something right to get up their nose

[@thesensiblesocialist]

If you notice, in old punk vids, almost none of them are wearing leather. Getting a leather jacket used to be the kind of thing you'd buy after getting your first check from a label to show off.

[@LeahDyson-kq4bd]

Leather was supposed to be a nod to the greasers and the stooges etc

[@MsZoombye]

I know!

[@AdonisMediaProductions]

@@LeahDyson-kq4bd the leather jacket was a poplar thing stating with Ramones and Mink Deville has that song called Cabretta abut the type of leather ( even some garage punk bands). Most of these were purchased second hand, old biker jackets. I don't know where this guy got such a weird take. Sure Hardcore punk eschewed that style and so did the the new-wavey bands.

[@sharksocks8130]

Pink has ALWAYS had a poser problem

[@viscountrainbows2857]

Yes she has. But on topic

[@electricfishfan]

Okay, but which one’s Pink?

[@metallipwn]

Poser/grifters are annoying but only slightly more than “real” punks

[@electricfishfan]

✅

[@aiuipapito]

the harder you try to be punk / goth / emo, the more you turn into a parody / satire of that.

[@psychobillynumbnuts1]

Mumble rappers are the worse when it comes to posers

[@funkynutsmcgee]

Ahhh, yes, they wear the style and spike up their hair cough cough shitty morgue and few others they made it look like a trend with that awful garbage music they put out

[@viscountrainbows2857]

I don't keep up with the scene but I swear these 🥷🏿s are disposable to the music industry and frankly it's gross. They loose Bobby Schmurda on us like it isn't gonna be the coronavirus of bullets, fym 😖

[@makosimp5022]

Punk as a cultural identity is stupid to begin with but these tik tok influencers somehow made it worse

[@mbrady2329]

It became irrelevant in 1978.

[@Dirtydog562]

Y'all both are clowns 😂

[@mbrady2329]

@@Dirtydog562why - because YOU say so, little big man? 🤣

[@Dirtydog562]

@@mbrady2329 no, it's a general consensus, but I guess it's easy for you to talk trash about shit you know nothing about behind a keyboard 🤷🏻

[@mbrady2329]

@@Dirtydog562, "a general consensus"? 🤣 C'mon then, cite your source for that, little big man! 😉

[@sireffortlessgarbage7922]

I deem myself a punk because of my values and I like to belong to my local scene. You could say I “dress punk” but I simply make clothes myself and sew band patches on them because it’s fun and cost efficient. Anybody who does all this for clout simply isn’t one of us, so we don’t have to worry or think about them

[@Ritff666l-e9e]

You look funny to those who were there for Punk

[@sireffortlessgarbage7922]

@@Ritff666l-e9e Alright, fine with me, they're a bunch of old bastards who think "Punk is dead" anyways.

[@AdonisMediaProductions]

@@Ritff666l-e9e you're talking out of your ass.

[@CasvalSVER]

Nothing screams punk more than allowing corporations to exploit your body by letting people to look at you naked...

[@rosemarryane06]

Fr, I don't understand how people can even do that to themselves. Instead of that, they should get a tattoo. It's better to regret that than regretting being used in corn corporations

[@msjkramey]

Ah yes, it's totally way more punk to tell a woman to put some clothes on and know her place! Gtfo with that nonsense

[@HalfLifeOfHumanity]

You got one of a kind editing my friend.

[@Hollie-c7b]

I'm hungover and you speak at the perfect speed

[@1998flint]

She's the Punk equivalent of Bryan Stars is to metalcore

[@shawnsmith1381]

punk has always had a poser problem. Although in the seventies we didn't se it as a problem. Of course most of us old farts still maintain that punk was dead by 1980.

[@francisdrake3730]

GG Allin was a real punk. He did not give one fuck and did whatever he pleased, while trolling the media. R.I.P.

[@Ty-ranical1]

"You aint hardcore 'cause you spike your hair, when a jock still lives inside your head".

[@BadLuckLuke]

Nevermind the posers, here's Killing Joke

[@Coopersville]

Seven minutes in and this already reminds me a lot of when "underground" rappers were running down artists starting to blow up on KZbin in the late 00s; trying so hard to reclaim a genre that was already played out by the mid-80s. Loving the current wave of Y2K nostalgia btw.

[@D00M3R-SK8]

Sid was an H-Fiend, I don't even think C-Rocks had been invented at this point, that was an 80's thing. The most tragic figure of the whole mess. A perpetual child, who was the spawn of a hardcore addict, that also encouraged his use. I actually can relate to Sid a bit, They completely used him for his looks (not that part, lol, the drvgs stuff and the shyte parents, lol. I'm your average albion, inbred looking troggy) and encouraged the behaviour that would be his ultimate downfall.

[@RaAndTheGodsOfLoveFire]

Nice video brotha! I'm proud of you.

[@RantingsFromAsylum]

Punk has had a poser problem since its inception , or at the very least deffo since the second wave, we used to call them "Post card Punks" you would see them all up and down Kings road, Kensington market and other tourist traps where they would pose with tourists etc for photo's This new generation and tick tockers/influencers etc just have a wider reach in social media

[@freddysanchez8753]

12:16 okay for real though did this guys head spin all the way around! Shit that’s some great editing work, mad props to the guy

[@randomguyontheinternet7940]

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

[@something_in_the_radiator1665]

letting the days go by...

[@randomguyontheinternet7940]

​@@something_in_the_radiator1665let the water hold me down

[@randomguyontheinternet7940]

@@something_in_the_radiator1665 let the water hold me down...

[@briandelgado4985]

Punk and rap have always had the biggest posers

[@vincentgonzalez3440]

Thank you for the slop, goblin

[@ergoth154]

Damn, she thought Angelic Upstarts (Who are considered an Oi! / street punk / hardcore band by myself, Wikipedia and multiple old KZbin uploads) were an Oi! punk band??? How embarrasing.... Like bro, he obviously just doesn't like the term Oi! and prefers just being called a Punk band. She didn't get that wrong.

[@Whitehorse_crimefighter]

No one in the scene ever liked being labeled unless they do it to themselves. That's universal in every music scene

[@ottoacid1800]

Mensi was a creep, anyways. He was infamous for his sex tourism in Thailand.

[@napalmslayer]

There was just no such term as oi when the upstarts started. It was coined by Gary bushel.

[@ergoth154]

@@Whitehorse_crimefighter It doesn't mean they weren't considered an Oi! punk band by a lot of people, I wouldn't even call a misconception, more like new information, which we got from her interview.

[@Whitehorse_crimefighter]

@ergoth154 I'd say they hit all the bases to be considered oi! And streetpunk whether they agree with it or not. Angelic upstarts were legendary and I'm glad I got to see them a few times

[@sharpskinhead6977]

Shoutout to Micklow for trying to get in Punk Rock Bowling without paying, that was truly a punk move.

[@dublev78]

Punk also has a gatekeeping problem and has for almost 50 years.

[@BadAppleBlues]

In Britain in the ealy 80's a lot of fans of bands like Crass loathed bands like the Exploited lol - at least that was how it was portrayed in the UK music press (well, Sounds mag really).

[@ScepticGinger89]

At every punk show or festival I attend, 95% of the crowd is well over 30. What's the point of complaining about posers when all the "true punks", whatever that means, have turned into office drones and family guys a long time ago?

[@YTPartyTonight]

Hello, sweetie. This has been a thing for 50 to 60 years, depending on when you think punk began. We tend to realize the paradox of conforming expressions of non-conformity sometime around freshman year in high school. When I was in high school in the '80s, that was also when I got into Minutemen.

[@_Pauper_]

This is fantastic. Being the only one dressed like a college professor at Detroit punk clubs was hilarious back then

[@fallenangelcrimson]

i miss title fight…

[@Easun36]

"Punk is no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself". Wise words to live by. Let people do whatever they want to, let them be "punk" any way they want to, instead of calling for witchhunts. That attitude is very mainstream and it's what you want to break away from, not ape. Ironically, you don't realize that while you're criticizing Erin for "wanting attention", you're doing exactly the same thing with this and the rest of the video you posted, every youtuber does. The only limits that should be enforced in any scene are on violence and bullying and hunting for "poseurs" definitely is a form of both. Respect the ones who are different than you, because you joined the scene to avoid the ones who didn't respect you for being different. Their attitude is still embedded in your brain. Reject it and you'll feel a lot better.

[@hellofaname]

Punk has had a poser problems since the 1970s. Nowadays, Punk (Rock in general) is having a Gatekeeping problem.

[@silenceburns1336]

Funny. I saw her interview Wattie and thought she was fake as shit. Funnier than that, your desctiption of her can be copy pasted to every user on every punk subreddit.

[@nosferatucreations]

I'm remember very well the pop or glam punk culture in the 80s, with singers/bands like Nina Hagen, Billy Idol or Sigue Sigue Sputnik.

[@mbrady2329]

Billy Idol and SSS both had links to a first generation punk band: Generation X.

[@bl4ncoSR]

I've seen that girl at the first johnny ramone tribute i went to in 2016, i remember her wanting to bring more attention around herself than the tribute as far as having cameras around her standing in line waiting to get in

[@nicu4029]

i sure do love romanian doom metal

[@Projekt1251Official]

based

[@EWOKakaDOOM]

Brazilian black metal is more better

[@vidalpintor4524]

@@EWOKakaDOOMyou started listening to music 3 years ago

[@casmiry]

România mentioned lol

[@Scara-u5s]

This whole video looks like a fever dream for me 😭

[@DickWalz]

There are no punks left just like there are no hippies left.

[@lomemarsupial]

gentrification hipsters and new age trust fund kids aka blovulating barfy-facers

[@raisindebttron]

Punk Rock Bowling is a Las Vegas thing

[@Charles-yq8vv]

Punk has had a poser problem since 1977.

[@ergoth154]

Maybe Punk is just a poser thing in general.

[@Charles-yq8vv]

@@ergoth154 Sure. I still like Fugazi and Black Flag though....

[@cherylfrey2189]

Coolea looks exactly how I imagined he would.

[@tails_show_tv]

real punks don't have a fashion they're just normal dudes now

[@Jamison-y5x]

Punk is dead.... it's been dead for decades, there's nothing left but posers

[@basedsouljah]

Punk isn't dead because it was never truly alive. And underground culture of all kinds have had problems with these kids cosplaying as whatever they can for decades. Punk rock just seems to be the most easy to trick people with it seems. The real shame in this is making real punk icons like Steve Ignorant that might not know her "LORE" and fake bullshit, out here giving her the time of day and legitimizing her image... its a shame.

[@DeianiraJax]

17:02 actually this was super refreshing, I went into this expecting tiktok drama slop and got a really cool video about the history of punk a lot of people don't talk about. 10/10

[@HowTheGodzChill]

A poser can become authentic. A charlatan never will be.

[@PaulJakubiak-u2p]

yeah but the fact that she got banned from punk rock bowling is kinda punk to begin with...you gotta admit

[@kenon6968]

By definition more Punk than anyone at that show, you're totally right