Pursuing Godliness With Grace and Truth

Mike Kruger and Jen Wilkin discuss how to understand the relationship between law and grace.
Jen Wilkin coined the term “celebratory failurism” to describe an acceptance of the thought that Christians will never be able to fully obey because of total depravity. Wilkin pushes back on that idea, and she and Mike Kruger discuss why there seems to be a misunderstanding on total depravity, legalism, and obedience to the law. They discuss the struggle between antinomianism (lawlessness) and pharisaical tendencies (lawfulness) and find that the relationship between law and grace is: obedience that pleases God has right motive combined with right action.
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[@patricemccoy8484]

Profound. Grateful. I want to internalize!

[@joannayeung3705]

Wow, this is one of the best plain and simple explanation to why Faith without works is dead. I love it ❤️. Thank you, thank you. We are not legalistic, we love Jesus. We obey the law because we love Jesus. Not because we want to judge others and excuse our sins. Praise the lord for his laws so we can enjoy the blessing within this loving boundary and grace. 💖🙏✝️ Thank you thank you, 💗

[@IrvingBabe]

Thank God for you two. I gave up on mainstream Christianity over 20 years ago owing to the napalming I got every time I wrote or said anything similar to what you are discussing here. While not perfect (all of us are humans after all) I fell more into the camp of Messianic Judaism. Very encouraging to hear this being talked about in the "Christian" world. Maybe in 20 years this will become more mainstream.

[@johnbosch5396]

What seems to be missing on both sides of the argument is that we believe in Jesus and begin to follow Him as He has placed his Spirit in our hearts. Hence we have a pure and perfect principal within us that opposes our self centered brokenness. The life of sanctification is a constant warfare between these to opposing natures. Rebecca asked why she was struggling with the twins in her womb. The answer is and was that two opposing nations (natures) were in her womb. One God loves and the other God hates. How do we make progress in the life of sanctification, when we walk in step with the Spirit. If we gravitate towards our broken nature we will hinder and grieve the power of the Spirit within our hearts. I believe Jesus has fulfilled the law for us and is slowly imprinting the perfection of the law upon our hearts. As we grow in sanctification we see more sin and hence we taste the fullness of God's forgiveness daily.

[@gracefellowshipnarasapur5019]

👍

[@jlhowekuhns]

If she is on staff at a church why does she have to charge so much for all of her studies

[@TheDdacus]

Sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. That's in the context of sanctification, not justification. No real attention to putting to death the deeds of the flesh BY THE SPIRIT, and not by the law. IMO John Piper is more faithful to the Bible in his teaching on this subject. Although I definitely appreciate the concern about anti-nomianism, the third use of the law isn't biblical, not even Calvin argued for it (read his commentary on Galatians). The evident deeds of the flesh are not law prohibitions again because the latter empowers the former. It's ironic that Piper gets push back on his view that future salvation is contingent on faith plus works and on his view of sanctification as freedom from law.

[@johntobey1558]

This is too Entrepeneurial. Not enough ministry.