Putting a 72 Volt Mid Drive Motor on my eBike - cyc x1 Stealth

[@FlyingScot911]

Almost 5,500km on my CYC X1 Stealth. I went with the full grip throttle. I have also built two other ebikes with the same motor but with thumb throttles. No comparison. The full grip throttle is way better. Especially if you are doing longer rides.

[@christiansenra2480]

Your the reason why I got an ebike and did it the diy way

[@BicycleJoeTomasello]

I really like your workshop with all the tools.

[@vmao4868]

Congrats. The Stealth is a great little motor. Had mine for almost two months. Still figuring out how to get the motor to engage quicker. But happy with the performance overall. Much cheaper and more power than an off-the-shelf ebike.

[@patricksebikejourney3896]

Gonna build my 2018 Trek Marlin into a Ebike. This might be a good way to go. I want to do some off road stuff so I’m considering mid drive over hub drive. Your videos really help. Thanks man! 🤘

[@frankarmstrong8251]

I just got my x1 stealth today. Putting it on a 29" bmx with magnesium mags. Waited 16 weeks to get it so I hope it's good to go...

[@lukewalker1051]

Encouraging the CYC is working on the noise issue with their mid drives. Noise is why I built with BBSHD. The CYC can generate big power running enough amps through it. But the drapes have to match the curtains. Battery cell discharge capability aka good cells versus cheap Li-Ion cells and battery BMS which can clip high amp discharge saddled with a controller that doesn't allow big amps = a restrained CYC which is capable if everything lines up with higher amperage of 3-4000w. I wonder if at some point you will search for another frame that will allow you to place that large battery within the triangle. You don't seem to be much of a pedal guy...I come from a cycling background and so enjoy the combination of motor and pedaling. Thanks for sharing your journey with the e-bike community and will be watching as you refine your set up.

[@eXTreemator]

It's based on the revolutions. Bbs0x is not much quiter on comparable revolutions. That said cyc has other more important problems

[@garavonhoiwkenzoiber]

I wonder why the they dropped the 72v option for the stealth?

[@devildogcody]

you should add a battery to the rear rack and keep both mid drive and hub motor :)

[@geemy9675]

haha a dual motor setup would combine the advantages of both motors. mid drive to leverage the torque of the mid drive with the gears for steep hills, plus the hub motor keeps pushing even during upshifts and being more efficient to cruise at constant speed...but also double the weight/cost and reliability issues. but if you want the strongest ebike possible, and you have already maxed out the controller for your motor, it. would be a solution. just add a front hub for good measure

[@MsTwiththeTea1980]

Very nice motor😊thank you for giving us the tutorial 👍🏾

[@ashpunting]

that is a very nice mid-drive motor the stealth x1 that's going to be 1 sweet ride 😊

[@MsTwiththeTea1980]

Yes looks like a sweet ride😊I want to try it out

[@chucknoob7041]

I guessing you have to stack the bottom bracket spacers to shift the motor left or right to get proper chain alignment.

[@Coff33Grind3r]

Banger video. Keep the content coming bro.

[@johnschuetz6331]

Cool awesome!, keep us informed with it all.

[@ayoutubewatcher7009]

I just got my ledge X2 delivered yesterday. Can't wait to start modding it. I've been waiting for you to get the cyc so I can decide which for me to go on a motor. Great work

[@lukewalker1051]

Shadow, Where are you going to mount the battery on the X2?

[@NPLVentures]

stay tuned to the channel, have mixed opinions so far on the cyc

[@ayoutubewatcher7009]

@@NPLVentures dang I have a Luna off road kit running 52 volt. Not 1 issue and no overheating at all.

[@EBikeBuilder_]

@@lukewalker1051 the ledge looks cool love the geo but no room for a battery. Not sure about having a 72v battery 2 inches from the crown jewels. Just get a hardtail

[@johnnyofast5924]

I just had an X2 delivered the other day also, at one point i thought about a mid drive only to realize there is no good place for a battery. Ive still got my XR pro and almost think i like it better for what i do, might just send the X2 back, 90 day return policy.

[@MartinSage]

Considering the coin you had to spend on this 1500watt motor I would want it to run spot on.

[@JoeBManco]

I wonder if the CYC mid-drive will fit on a Stealth Bomber frame. I just bought a frame this week so I can see how they are made. Hopefully it will be at my home by Wednesday.

[@NPLVentures]

Please let me know if you find out

[@JoeBManco]

@@NPLVentures I will do that.

[@gmeister03]

Should. Just make sure you have the right size bottom bracket adapter

[@capolean2902]

any update i also wanna do the same thing

[@Frank-ck2dj]

Did you see the comment about stacking the spacers to move the motor left to right is how you align chain problems. Did they send you extra spacers I hope they do I hope they do

[@blegend6538]

I drive with a 1500w 48v hubmoter and im already enjoying it But im suprise how good this middrive works👌

[@stevenmiller9198]

What frame do you have and what material is it?

[@blegend6538]

@@stevenmiller9198 aluminium mauntainbike frame 26 inch wheels

[@winstonpoplin]

@@blegend6538 Im in the same spot, been using a 48v 1500w hub for a year or two. On some bottom of the bin mongoose bike no less. Gonna get a new rig soon enough.

[@captainmack7sevenps4_pc63]

Could you add mid drive and keep your rear hub ?

[@racerx2095]

I'd love to have that motor.Pretty cool imo.

[@michaelsprinzeles4022]

Congrats and welcome to the world of mid-drives. To get a speed read out you need to install the speed sensor. Could moving the spacer to the non drive side help with that chain alignment? The CYC is quieter now but any mid-drive with double chains will make noise (even if the motor were silent). I hope you remove that heavy hub drive to enjoy the full benefits of a mid-drive, other than climbing is less unsprung weight in the back wheel. Ride on & enjoy;)

[@Blox117]

this mid drive is a fail though, its definitely slower than my hub motor

[@michaelsprinzeles4022]

@@Blox117 I'm sorry you're not loving it more. For throttling around hubs are easier and more fun but an equivalent powered mid-drive should be faster (top speed not acceleration) and climb better but using gears is necessary. If you're running at 72 volts you need to change your gearing for higher speed. Your climbing and top speed are all governed by gearing with a mid-drive. If you want a higher top speed get a bigger chainring. Before wearing out my top gear I was able to hit 36 mph (only 34 now) with a 52 volt Ludicrous BBSHD, so you should be able to go faster (on 72 volts).

[@Blox117]

@@michaelsprinzeles4022 im mounting a custom mid drive motor. i could have gone for this IPM that was meant for a motorcycle, but i opted for using two cheaper ones. these will both be driven by 6kW controllers to the rear wheel, which is a MXUS 5k turbo hub motor with another 6kW. basically i am using the disc brake to mount a fixed gear, and the threaded side to mount a threaded brake hub and mount a second fixed gear. the two motors sit above the rear wheel in a rack. maximum theoretical power based on testing is 18kW and torque should at least be 300nm but definitely should go higher like 400. this is probably the first 3 motor drive to a single axle lol

[@joehiatt1992]

I was thinkin the same with all that xtra weight on the bike defeats the purpose

[@jasondundom1390]

link to the motor plz and is the bigass battery the 72? did it come with the hub or mid drive? and ya whats the top speed? and finely, did you ever use both drives at once :D !! Top speed ? !!!

[@Salm0n.ka1]

Do you need to buy the battery sepretly

[@oscarmadrid2515]

Oh snap this awesome good content dude keep it up

[@dowblab]

Were you shifting while riding or just leaving it in a single gear? I didn't see you shifting and was under the impression that not shifting puts a lot of strain on mid-drive motors and drivetrains

[@soupbums]

Wear did u purchase this kit

[@representing7372]

Nice, I don't know where to look for them. There are some shady websites selling it for 60 bucks which has to be a scam

[@StellaAllein]

wich battery used? can sent it to me ?

[@ebikekilla]

Nice bills mate for a second I thought you was going to ride the hub motor with the mid drive lmao You need to start a low gear for fast acceleration and high gear for top speed I’ve got a 3000W rear hub motor pulling 4K watts

[@lambtonstucco4693]

Why you have a hub motor?

[@tea1406]

I was wondering where you got your mud guards

[@rsxhitman]

What bike seat (saddle) are you using And helmet?

[@teddytalisman8531]

did you use your preexisting battery ?

[@E-bikeeverything57]

If that's a DD hub motor probably be more efficient if you removed it. Would be neat it you could get it to regen and use if you broke a chain or something ( backup motor)😄

[@Blox117]

it would be better to run them in tandem

[@ashpunting]

are you going to rake of the hub motor and on my mid-drive works better with the gears to getup to speed

[@christiansenra2480]

you might need to shift gears on your bike to pick up speed or acceleration

[@pierrelefort5422]

Hello, is the stealth version more quiet than the normal version at same power and rpms?

[@winstonpoplin]

No, the stealth name refers to the physical size.

[@fredrobles1136]

Love the content brotha get it up and you gonna run them off the same battery or you gonna you gonna get another one !!!

[@jigs8437]

Which battery did you use ?

[@twistedexistence3603]

Are you running a mid drive, and hub motor? If so, how do you synchronize them? Sorry, I'm a n00b =)

[@twistedexistence3603]

Nevermind, I should have watched to the end, before asking =)

[@NPLVentures]

Future video on this topic ;)

[@twistedexistence3603]

@@NPLVentures Noice =)

[@ro63rto]

What mudguards do you have on that bike? SKS?

[@NPLVentures]

mucky nutz mud guard

[@HB-yq8gy]

Nice the Stealth. Did you remove the old hub motor?

[@jamo9000]

Nice video! Are you planning on adding an ASI controller and bumping up the watts? What’s the CYC stealth motor capable of pushing? Currently running a BBSHD/BAC855 (with the awesome HV kit) at 3800W and it’s fantastic. Butter smooth, quiet and plenty of torque and top speed 👌

[@niyaz3644]

The cyc motors has asi bac855 standard you can even upgrade to bac4000

[@joehiatt1992]

whats the top speed u did,I just put a HD on my hardtail

[@Mike-nq7fn]

How did you mount your battery on the crossbar? Any products that help with that?

[@NPLVentures]

I made a video on it, "how to mount any ebike battery" Hope it helps!

[@kracksmith4ejm1]

how fast did you go top speed?

[@Mishakol1290]

Are you giving one of them away for free how nice

[@dannyoberthier3053]

they should have an ISIS bottom bracket with such a high quality kit

[@CyberFrog-mp3eb]

I hunger for this mid drive

[@ayoutubewatcher7009]

Why did you choose the stealth? The x1 pro puts out 3000 watt peak at 72v. My current ebike has a 1000 wat hub motor and a Luna bbshd. But I hate the weight of the hub.

[@NPLVentures]

I found out the stealth and the pro are pretty similar if going with the asi 855 controller. The pro has more overhead with the option for the asi 4000 controller. the stealth is also newer and has a slightly better design.

[@ayoutubewatcher7009]

@@NPLVentures can the stealth hit 2500 - 3000 watt

[@terrypalmer3985]

no one has said anything about the two wide turns you took the last one with the vehicle coming the other way could have ended very badly . as a motorcyclist the throttle is always on the right side was there a reason you fitted it on the left as most of the e bikes i have seen have had the thumb throttle mounted on the right

[@winstonpoplin]

Looks like his shifter is on the right side. I had to do the same thing on a build. Its actually really interesting to make your brain use your left hand for throttle.

[@MrYoshio14]

Mad man putting a mid drive on a hub build

[@frankarmstrong8251]

Anyone having issues the the cyc app?

[@rickc2078]

Do you need to have insurance for those e-bikes? a lot of damage can be done at those speeds.

[@johnnyofast5924]

I was surprised how fast he was zipping through neighborhood streets and blowing off stop signs. 😆

[@hatemsoliman8642]

What bike did you use for this project?

[@NPLVentures]

mongoose ledge x1

[@Leo-nl3fb]

still waiting on part 2 of this vid

[@laurentfoisy4573]

Congrats , You should of Obey the Traffic Laws, (Epically The Stop Signs), I think you are suppose to come to a complete Stop, wither in a Auto or Even on a Bike, (or E-Buke). That Just some of the things I remember back when I used to Drive(Car) and or Ride(Motorcycle).

[@jomarieocon3759]

what specs of battery did you use?

[@NPLVentures]

72 volt 20ah battery

[@stevenmiller9198]

Hey Living Deliberately I have a question so I'm still looking for frames for my new ebike and I'm looking for a solid steel frame but can't find to many that would work for me so my next choices are carbon steel/carbon fiber whatever the difference is between the 2 or aluminum. I heard that carbon steel/carbon fiber bike frames are really bad for ebikes is that true?

[@devildogcody]

carbon fiber I have heard to be bad for diy kits, especially the hub motors (there are more and more mid drive ebikes being made from carbon fiber however). Carbon steel should be fine, as it is most likely going to be "low carbon steel" which is often used in machining, known to be durable and easy to weld.

[@LarryRichelli]

Just find the lightest aluminum/steel bike you can find. Stay away from heavy tanks like the bike in this video.

[@stevenmiller9198]

@@devildogcody what's the difference between carbon fiber bikes and carbon steel bikes? I look it up on google but can never find any answers

[@stevenmiller9198]

@@LarryRichelli but isn't aluminum alot weaker tho and I'm looking to install a 1500 watt motor so wouldn't that run the risk of it breaking easier because I'm looking for a cheap frame I don't wanna spend over 300 dollars on one

[@devildogcody]

@@stevenmiller9198 carbon steel is still steel, but with a carbon content of up to 2.1% by weight (the low carbon type used in manufacturing is under .25%)...think knife blades, they use forms of high carbon steel. Rule of thumb, the more carbon the harder the steel, but the harder it gets the more "brittle" it gets, but low carbon steel is great for bike frames. Carbon fiber is a different beast, it is many thin strands of carbon filaments held together by varying types of epoxy/resin. It has around 5 times the tensile strength of steel, while considerably lighter, which is why it is a very popular material for higher end road/mountain bikes. The issue I would imagine with using such for a hub motor would be it wasn't designed for that amount of torque, and you could end up with cracking between the fibers around the motor mount points. I know that some of the most expensive specialty mid drive mountain ebikes are using carbon fiber frames, so you might be okay using a mid drive diy kit...but still questionable since the diy kits mount through the bottom bracket, while the specialty bikes have custom designed frames the motor mounts into, so I don't really know, just guessing on that point.

[@rama567]

cool thing but I think that this small chain should be replaced by a strap

[@stevewhitaker3424]

Not sure if anyone could tell but in Canada this is illegal. 500w is max.

[@stevewhitaker3424]

As they get bigger & faster there is going to be more & more legislation, there is talk now of a license, more mandatory stuff will following. I suppose off road won't matter much.

[@biglon74]

Better have some good brakes

[@ericdasilva6884]

Dose he got a hub motor to wtf

[@CyberFrog-mp3eb]

Ebikes make people live longer too

[@franksplace551]

Unless I missed something you weren't very detailed about the install actually you didn't show how to do anything much unfortunately, why?

[@JeffreyAllanBackowski]

Only 72v? Lame, that's the same voltage they use for the floats in the Pride Parade.

[@michaelpersson68]

It's expensive there i think

[@dapperduckling3951]

Have any of you other ebike owners been stopped by police for riding an ebike?

[@NPLVentures]

Our experience so far is no problems. I personally have ridden past and pulled up beside a cop (at a red light and throttle away) and they never look twice.

[@lukewalker1051]

@@NPLVentures In my experience the police are cool when people don't drive stupid close to people...observe traffic laws etc. My ebike will do over 40 mph and never a problem. If you own a R1 motorcycle that will do 180mph, don't ride it over the speed limit and you will be just fine.

[@dapperduckling3951]

Just wanted to know what others were experiencing. A friend sent me a video of someone getting pulled over in Canada and getting a $600 ticket because the cop said she was riding an electric motorcycle and got her on everyone he could. Obviously not all cops are like that, but I was curious if anyone in this community had experienced something like that

[@gmeister03]

@@dapperduckling3951 Canada is way different with their laws

[@robcoastalga8279]

Very nice!! Unlike y'all's roads. Lol

[@wildatlanticman128]

You know you are effectively riding a motor-cycle. Question: how much motor-cycle training have you had? I mean road awareness lessons, roadcraft, rules of the road etc etc. Recommend you get some....seriously. It will become law soon enough. Motorcycle accidents are not pretty.

[@kunkprime6980]

Tilt your camera up please

[@KITTER298]

Please wear gloves

[@ezegqfouru2018]

E Bikes built better than Ford, Chrysler and GM.

[@scottrocks1993]

😂 You do know you need to change gears lol. It's manual not automatic Just like a car or motorbike. Not using gears properly will cause damage. Not only that on a e-bike it will use up your batteries faster. And won't get full potential out of Ebike. Going up hills and on straight roads

[@bobravenscraft5376]

I see middrive as pretentious the average guy wouldn't benefit. If something goes wrong WALKING with hubs. You make it home. Middrive are for yippies

[@Hadroncollider_]

Rockbros and "high quality" dont fit in one sentence. They are a cheap chinese brand that stole the pedal design from race face.