Putting an Asterisk on Modern NBA GOATs!

[@ReboundRewind]

Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 0:40 Kevin Durant 2:00 Kawhi Leonard 3:52 Luka Dončić 5:29 Jayson Tatum 6:56 Giannis Antetokounmpo 8:46 Nikola Jokić 10:01 Joel Embiid 10:42 Outro

[@Bluebirdfalling]

The greatest regular team to ever exist. Record-wise. The Bulls won the year they had the record previously.

[@Bluebirdfalling]

That doesn't mean that he's not a bad player

[@lamchunting856]

The major problem with Giannis lack of any shooting is those things are least affected by aging which means his window to be good is even shorter if he doesn’t get better at shooting right now.

[@SnuggieMaple]

Ye but tbh even without great shooting he will always have good size and decent (yet declining athleticism) and overall great skills for a Big man

[@_M....]

not just shooting, bad dribbling and severely limited bag of moves. he's like a bigger version of Lebron without the passing.

[@wookey-2083]

@@IHateMaL thats really a terrible take Lebron is 38 and completly changed the focus of his game to be the player with THE BEST LONGEVITY of all time...how can you predict gianni would be close to that

[@peter2oo151]

All time leading scorer doesnt have a bag? lol@@_M....

[@_M....]

@@peter2oo151 no, he got the record from playing as the #1 option for 21 years and relying oin layups (which he's atop the all time missed attempts) and chucking 3's, going on insane miss streaks there too. the last all time leading scorer also didn't have a bag, was a center who couldn't even bring the ball up or do a crossover. idiot.

[@SokinRidis]

Jokic is the best so far. And he doesn't look to slow down.

[@justsomejusstsome8994]

Giannis is still my goat of this era.

[@danlin339]

What era?

[@SnuggieMaple]

@@justsomejusstsome8994 Ye I think Giannis has still been overall been and more playoff success but Jokic will probably pass him if Giannis doesn’t start shooting better

[@theophilusjones6024]

Giannis is right up there with him, but not mad at it

[@ZVJ1700]

He doesn’t look to speed up either

[@AshanDoe]

notice how he didn’t include thanasis since there’s nothing negative to say about him

[@FOWBOWZ]

I love this channel bro

[@cheap272]

calling tatum and brown batman and superman is like calling giannis and khris batman and superman

[@crigz8113]

Its ok that embiid didn't make past the second round, its just that his performance drops off a whole lot which indicates he is indeed a fraud in the playoffs but still a load managing regular season beast

[@ThatOneSummit9900]

It’s naz Reid by far

[@spidamitchell8311]

Brown just got overpaid lmao 😂 That doesn’t mean anything.

[@taquavion99999]

booker has left the chat

[@Bluebirdfalling]

That doesn't mean that he's not a bad player

[@wishforcakes]

Jayson Tatum the best kobe glazer

[@_M....]

using the term "GOAT" way too loosly my friend.

[@user-majb4c2d0e]

He said Gote And the Goat debate was never a debate - Jordan

[@RavinManiac]

Based on the statement, seems like you didn't pay attention to the video

[@Acepa16]

Lebron lames face should be on the thumbnail and cover saying the fake goat and never would be the real goat and most overrated superstar ever dead center in that lineup

[@bigmanballsassnuts3337]

jayson tatum is absolutely the best player on the celtics. not close whatsoever. insanely casual take. and he is 100% the best "jack of all trades" in the league. he's the most well rounded player in the league and likely the best 3 level scorer in the league.

[@yusufyilmaz6623]

The second asterisk video without any argument against Ben Simmons 🐐

[@HeyItSam]

NAHH

[@ranchosdelnorte]

Of course. When the Nets didn't have him they got swept in the first round despite K.D playing. What more evidence do you need?

[@slightlypsychopathic2685]

What about Thanais are you not considering him

[@onety3578]

8:59 to be fair, the way Nikola blocks the ball sometimes gets counted as steals since his blocks are more like strips instead of typical blocks

[@Fixundfertig1]

even if you combine blocks and steals the stat continues to be mediocre for a GOAT standard

[@HunkyPizza]

@@Fixundfertig1 GOTE*

[@theophilusjones6024]

Giannis and Jokic are the GOATS of the last 5 years 💯

[@alexadams1360]

While the numbers don't lie on Luka, I believe this is mostly caused by his inability to play solid defense as opposed to 'empty' offensive stats. Sure, he'll grab a few steals here and there but moves slowly and leaves a lot of open space - making the mavs vulnerable to both drive+score as well as open looks from beyond the arc. This can change with time, but I think it's unfair to discredit the scoring, facilitating, and 'clutch' factor that Luka brings to the table. Furthermore, the fact that he is one of the most used players in the league (usg rating) also doesn't showcase a consecutive longevity without him, so I'd be curious to see these numbers if his usage was more 'normalized'. Interesting analysis though and speaks volumes about the importance of Embiid, Jokic, and Giannis.

[@toshirohitsugaya857]

The Mavs are also 27-38 since Luka's arrival without him. They are 0-3 without him this season, they are 5-11 without him last year (And they were 2-8 without him before the Kyrie trade where he was 3-3 without Luka). They are 8-9 without him in 2022, they are 2-4 in 2021, they are 7-7 in 2020 and they are 5-5 in 2019. Numbers don't lie too. Without him, they don't win, it is especially true since last year where he became even better.

[@ericswart3786]

Another huge knock on Embiid is the drop in scoring when he makes the playoffs. If I remember correctly, it's something like 10 points less a game, the largest drop in NBA history.

[@bolestas44]

And also Embiids reliability is a knock on him since he missed a lot of games during his career

[@Baddknewz]

Half his points come from foul-searching and the refs don’t play that shit in the playoffs

[@Reallybadtryhard]

That comment about Tatum vs Brown aged perfectly after the 2024 playoffs

[@justtimes9257]

when kawhi was the primary defender on lebron he held lebron to 42% shooing

[@_M....]

all he did was block Lebron from driving to the basket a few times. Lebron already can't shoot. 42% on mostly jumpshots is a great night for lebron who has never averaged more than 38% shooting from outside of 0-3 feet from the basket.

[@justtimes9257]

@@_M.... that was from the field

[@samraizshoaib585]

​@@_M....Yeah, but that's still shit lmao. Almost nobody can stop a Lebron drive. 42% on jumpshots isn't good for anyone and its a credit to Leonards defense that Lebrons primery method of scoring was taken away from him. And id like to remind you this was Heat Lebron where he had a great jumper for some reason.

[@CountryMozart]

"Unicorns are not Binicorns, and thus unicorns are not goats". My brain broke

[@crazynic2848]

4:03 why is luka doing the hangman style 😂

[@siler22]

Out of all things you could put as asterik for Luka you choose to put that Mavericks performing better without him?? they are one of worst teams in the league without him

[@zervoles8845]

no. denver without jokic is

[@samraizshoaib585]

​@@zervoles8845Because of inhuries more than anything. The teams great they're just injury prone.

[@MaciejJacak]

„ Mr. Load management” LOL

[@d.columbia9603]

Both Giannis and Jokic have the strongest arguments. I would have to Go with the Joker though

[@curtiszyr]

Yes an absolute joke 😂😂

[@ZeWhiteRabbit8]

"Kevin Durant has 2 rings the same way O.J Simpson has never murdered anybody." -Barry McCockiner

[@lakeshowbron4747]

😂😂😂

[@curtiszyr]

Can’t deny reality/facts , anything less would make you delusional 😂

[@otislamar8613]

It’s not fair to not give Tatum his share of credit because the numbers say if you take him off and leave brown with the others the team is a net negative so even if JB is close to Tatum he’s still on a whole different level

[@daevonthesavage7483]

couldn't get pass the 1:15 mark without pausing and laughing. that amount of Caping, Coping, and Capping people do about the 2017 finals is hilarious. Both the Warriors and Cavs entered that series with a Combined 24-1 record LMAO Cavs were not Depleted they just got Defeated. that matchup was dead even unless you wanna overrate everybody not named Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry on the Warriors roster. Not letting that one slide no more

[@acgeewhiz]

Yeah, Cavs were mostly healthy and cruised through the playoffs, but I think when you compare stars, Warriors were a bit farther ahead than you think. They had four All Stars to Cleveland’s three, two MVP level players to Cleveland’s one, and one DPOY winner to Cleveland’s none. And the Cavalier role players didn’t have good games. Steph Curry was out rebounding Tristan Thompson, and Kyle Korver only scored 22 points in 5 games. So, a definitive win by the Warriors, no doubt. And while the Cavs were not depleted, they didn’t start at the same talent level as Golden State, and played poorly. They were expected to lose.

[@AKalam-wp7wu]

be for real man, compare the regular season and the bench, literally every player after KD on that finals team was better than the equivalent on the cavs. You're not cool for having a contrarian take, it just means you wanna be different.

[@daevonthesavage7483]

@@AKalam-wp7wu i said what i said in my comment. if you wanna overrate the warriors roster then go ahead. but as i recall, nobody was singing bs tune December 26th after cleveand won off that kyrie game winner. everybody and they momma couldn't wait for the finals after that Christmas game. so im not hearing none of that "Uneven" talk. people only started that bs because the Warriors smoked em in 5. with the cavs choking game 3 too.

[@samraizshoaib585]

​@@daevonthesavage7483 KD(MVP Caliber) = LBJ(MVP Caliber) SC (MVP Caliber) > Kyrie(All NBA at his best) Klay Thompson(2nd Best shooter ever) > Past his prime Love Draymond(DPOY) > any other Cavs player I'm sorry the matchup was unever especially since Love played terribly.

[@daevonthesavage7483]

@@samraizshoaib585 Kevin Love was not past his prime. Dude came in the league with his college teammate Russell Westbrook the same year. Cut the BS. And if I recall, plenty people during that time frame was literally Debating if Kyrie was better than Steph. And nobody was calling Klay the second best shooter ever yet. This is revising history you're doing. Stop it

[@SnuggieMaple]

2:20 weird ahh Spurs Also tbh I would still say Kawhi deserved that Finals mvp but what really hurts it is the missed free throw that led to Ray Allen’s 3 pointer (also helps that Chris Bosh wasn’t boxed out)

[@verward]

Yo the 2017 Cavs were not depleted. That's probably the best Cavs team in history, they just ran into the Warriors.

[@DbLegends84]

Here after Luka dropped 73 and won his team needed all 73 of those points too.

[@sharkoctopus9481]

For Luka, all you have to do is look at the mavs grizzlies game last night. Luka didn’t play and the mavs dropped 94 points. Grant Williams led the team with 16 points and kyrie had 10. The mavs need Luka

[@hisakoichiki3126]

Thats just 1 game bro. But I do agree they need luka

[@Baddknewz]

I think he’s gonna be the most overrated stat padder of all time. Soon to surpass James Harden

[@viscount8388]

@@BaddknewzLuka just dropped 35-15-15 tonight

[@Baddknewz]

@@viscount8388 and still LOST. Thats my entire point lmao. He not gonna win a chip, im calling it now:

[@samraizshoaib585]

​@@BaddknewzMost players don't win a championship. nd yeah, the Mavs lost. Because they're not a great team and have traded their defense away.

[@BRAN_BOSS]

giannis is 100% the goat, he got all the achievments jokic has +1 defesnive player of the year award, and i find ti absoloutley idootic to say he cant be the goat because he cant shoot, you gonna use that logic with MJ because he could shoot 3pt? or Kareem? or Shaq?

[@SnuggieMaple]

1:18 thank you for mentioning the KD injury comeback

[@VLE-Grimace]

The glazing is insane

[@cristan7525]

Kevin Durant is definitely the best on the players of this list. Statically and achievement wise, Jokic can probably surpass him though by the end of his career

[@TheHomieTitz]

The only GOAT is LeBron. His whole bloodline is goated.

[@dubrollin]

Kawhi did more in the 2014 finals than his stats show, I remember watching that series, he was everywhere

[@matthewlee4697]

Totally agree 💯

[@thirteen26]

This reminded me of that clip of LeBron reacting to Leonard subbing back in the game. It proved how much of a pest Leonard was to LeBron defensively

[@samraizshoaib585]

Also, he's leaving out a very important point. Lebron scored most of his points when Kawhi wasn't on the floor. According to statistics Lebron was 10-20% less likely to be involved in a play when Kawhi was on the floor and was much less likely to attempt a shot with Kawhi guarding him. Kawhi guarded him far better than any other player on the Spurs and slowed him down in the minutes that mattered. He got rested when the game was a blowout and that's where Lebron had most of his points. Plus, the Raptors were always choking before Leonard. Demars among the worst playoff performers ever.

[@rizwanimanullah2261]

Yeah and he forgot to mention how the only reason they were 59 and 23 the season before was because their best player by far got traded and kyle lowry wasnt even averaging 20 points and every other player was young on the team

[@mahmoodabdulrazzaq5033]

I gotta say this is such a smart and entertaining way of being a hater without seeming like it haha. Keep it up.

[@TRJ690]

Under 10 minutes gang like this comment pls

[@Giannisfan45.]

Giannis is the goat for this area. Can't say anything.

[@REALKENNYKOT4Q]

Can you do one of these based on the 50s and 60s

[@rowannp2058]

The goat of the 2020s is Gianni’s 🗣️🗣️

[@jaimeviejo8379]

Luka’s asterisk is that his team is too good? or am i misinterpreting? that certainly should’ve the case

[@REALKENNYKOT4Q]

First

[@ranchosdelnorte]

It's crazy how last year what Jokic shot from the field (66%) is higher than what Giannis shot in free throws.

[@OluwatobiAustin-AdesinaFlavian]

Nikola Jokic is not the GOAT of this era

[@MahiMahi4757-zr9zf]

He is

[@InfernalLegion84]

I absolutely love yar vidz, keep em coming!!

[@lorddevil863]

You made an editing error. In your previous video, the GOAT asterisk had Curry on the clip following the nominees for GOAT and even got discussed. But this time, you forgot to add him to the GOAT debate intro.

[@hogrider5059]

Stop it... 😂

[@MajestyMusa]

Bouncing on it

[@wanderlustwarrior]

He's even mentioned twice in the video's description. And I'm not a Warriors stan, but it still feels like Steph's era. This is probably the last year of the dynasty (as a contender if not champion), maybe they can extend it one more, but Steph personally is going out with a bang.

[@GtimeSports]

So Luka made the finals and Tatum won a ring.

[@jumblesgaming]

And Brown won Finals MVP which proves his other point

[@hans.lankamp]

I can see Jokic at the end of his career being like Kareem. Someone with a truly unbeatable skill that just broke every other team, but not making the next generation pick up this skill.

[@nemajabakic4546]

Why not he is most watched player right now in last fove years all most watched games are from this season even though ratings are down and all games were Denver games lik opening night IDK in how many years was it most watched same for chatolics christmas and for Philly and Boston match too

[@Angen77]

Jokic currently has the highest PER for Career of all time, ahead of Jordan, Wilt & Lebron, and he’s not done. Projections have him doing better next year. Don’t see any teams that can stop them from getting to the finals this year and Denver has beat Boston 4 out of the last 5 games. Flash forward 2.2 years --> Jokic has 5 MVP’s total and 4 Rings, now has the all time high for career PER with 29.7 with the most years and most consecutive years of 30+ PER in a season with 6 (no one else has more than 3) And the 2 best seasons of all time with PER. At the end of Luka Doncic’s current contract, he gets fed up with the Mavericks and “defects” to Denver where he is able to team up with Jokic for the highest Basketball IQ super-team in history and add 3 or 4 more rings. At this point the Wemby will be begin to be in his prime as well as SGA and Holmgren will be in their prime to give them a run for their money. It’s going to be an interesting ride.

[@oftfnas]

number two

[@Nktzzzzz]

KD was Gordon Ramsey level cooked in this vid

[@kennylynch8575]

give KD any other PG that is healthy besides Irving and Westbrook KD would of had at least 1 more championship and the Thunder Heat series was rigged even the NBA looked N2 it and the NBA wouldn't of even considered looking N2 it if it wasn't obvious

[@emmanuelferguson]

I'm tired of people saying "GOAT of x period". GOAT stands for Greatest Of All Time for a reason, the ALL TIME part seems to get lost in translation. I think it's time for someone to come up with a new word/acronym.

[@paulkevinsomera1007]

He mentioned that two of current stars (Lebron and Steph obviously) does belong in the previous gen. But, wtf did KD doing? He’s from the 2000’s era 🤣

[@zatablet5793]

"Who's really better here, jayson tatum or jaylen brown?" Is this even a question or a troll? Hello????

[@shakey215]

I'm a bucks fan but Jokic is the best of this era. One of the most phenomenal players ever, the most unique player ever other than maybe Magic and Wilt in their eras.

[@Orto4956]

Jokic doesn’t need to be fast. We’ve gotten so used to a fast guy league that we’ve forgotten the greatness of the big man game, and the great thing about Jokic is that he has the playing style of Shaq, the shooting ability of Hakeem, and the basketball IQ of Larry Bird. Jokic’s production prove that the old ways aren’t gone and he’s brought it back and better than ever.

[@michaelfishe3963]

Until he plays Embiid

[@curtiszyr]

Play style of Shaq ? Ha! you definitely didn’t watch Shaq play he has non of those things , in a watered down league lacking bigs that can barely box out 😂. y’all just fan boy the shxt out of this man giving him other players attribute like you’re building a player on 2k what else he have Kobe Jordan killer mentality? 😂

[@accountant3847]

I don't like Celtics but c'mon now...Tatum clears Brown, it's not close bruh🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@1stCommentCop]

Rebound Rewind trying desperately to find any arguments for why Nikola Jokic isn't the GOTE

[@saul-goodman]

I respect that you don’t put nearly the same asterisk on the 2019 title as everyone else. The Raptors were the best team in the league that year and they deserved to win the championship

[@tyriordan]

bro cooked kd 😂

[@crigz8113]

Kawhi held lebron down a lot during that heat spurs finals. Whatever scoring LeBron did to hold his high ppg was done in garbage time and when kawhi was benched.

[@henrikrossow7153]

most of lebeon’s points in that finals where when kawhi was on the bench, since he knew he could score, but with kawhi, he knew it would be much harder

[@Baruch.Goldstein]

For Giannis his shooting keeps getting worse because he's bulking up without practicing. He has all this extra strength and size with no idea how to use it in his shot.

[@lalboi4053]

Whoever comes out of the east or west, is the best team to beat all odds . So , it should not be an asterisk. Its not a player fault if his team is weak and is not his fault if the best player does not show up in the final

[@joshuaavery1552]

1:55 Kevin Durant almost beat the Bucks all on his own when his best teammates were injured and plus we haven’t seen him with a full nba season with the suns and I get they didn’t make the nba finals this past year but come on at least give them a couple of fully healthy seasons then criticize him if the suns don’t make it

[@kwstaskakoudakis]

giannis has the edge over jokic because he is better defender and he is decent passer. they are close in points and jokic better passer.

[@ranchosdelnorte]

No. Jokic is a decent defender but on top of that he is a historic passer. And just looking at number of points isn't telling much, Giannis gets his through one of the highest usage rates and with the most free throw attempts. Jokic's scoring is based on ridiculous efficiency, with shooting splits that completely blow Giannis' out of the water at every spot on the court.

[@i_l96]

DPOY and MIP, puts Giannis ahead of Jokic

[@Capcut_Creations26]

Hi

[@swankwms]

Luca now made the finals in 2024 lost in 5 to the Celtics

[@GaryWrightUtah]

Nailed it dude.... thanks for telling it like it is.

[@gold-man9]

Where’s Steph and Lebron. Also Caruso???????????

[@ivblizzard3616]

what is tatum do here , wtf ... haliburton is far better

[@SnuggieMaple]

4:30 Ye Jalen Brunson was being held down

[@zatablet5793]

Sooo... Luka is not the goat because his team is... okay without him?

[@SnuggieMaple]

1:41 Harden wasn’t even an all star at the time and it was a prime Heat team and also the 3-1 lead choke was bad but then again the Warriors were 73-9 and then did it against the Cavaliers 😂

[@markysng]

I think people need to distinguish between being the GOAT and an all-time great. GOATs are players who are basically incredibly good and have had excellent careers, so like MJ, Bron, Kareem, Magic, Kobe. Basically the top 5 players All time greats just refers to the players who haven’t achieved something in terms of career success, or weren’t as individually dominant. So like KD, AI, Karl Malone. I see it as a spectrum, so the more an all time great proves themselves, the closer they get to GOAT conversation

[@nicjanelle]

I love that Anthony Bennet finds a way into most of these videos. I chuckle seeing his bad stats completely out of nowhere.

[@manuel-ocho7671]

Lebron scored like 4 points on Kawhi in the last 3 games of the 2014 finals while the score was within 10 points... Kawhi's work on Lebron is beyond ridiculous... Bron did all his scoring while the game was out of reach and when Kawhi wasn't on him... that 2014 Finals MVP doesn't deserve an asterisk

[@gershonmeisel9860]

the best let me think anthony edwards

[@Battttt]

Stat padder is Embiid, not Luka

[@bwink23]

1996 Bulls greatest regular season team ever

[@randomdudewatching]

its obviously micheal jackson

[@notcole6665]

notice how sga isn’t on this list

[@YetiMcLovin]

Luka saw this video and put up 73

[@Trooperexexutuiontime]

Jokic was good too late in his career

[@AKalam-wp7wu]

on the jayson tatum vs jaylen brown thing you just didn't even mention a reason why jaylen brown could be considered better other than their contracts? Tatum is literally better at everything than jaylen brown: scoring, passing, defense. The debate on who's better was obvious from the start and people just wanna support someone they believe is underrated.

[@nanisupreme]

my definition of the goat is not titles but gameplay, how do you impact the game within the rules, and luka is the goat of pure basketball, he is pure, everyone else looks mechanical, including the current and past goats, i would define it as close control the likes of messi but in basketball and jokic is like zidane or something

[@codyrob8966]

I feel like giannis could either be a top 10 player all time or end up being another Demarcus cousins(still an amazing player dont get me wrong) and it really just depends if he gets his shooting down or not. Coming from a big time bucks fan too

[@Teachingcasuals]

Jimmy is a goat. He damn near went to 4 straight finals. Thats almost half the decade 😂

[@northernMarc]

im stealing tf outta GOTE

[@janezverbic2093]

Luka being snubbed again!

[@Dahobbit88]

Derrick white gotta be the best

[@MahiMahi4757-zr9zf]

Where’s Josh giddey?

[@ReynardJi]

brian scalabrini lol

[@dr3adn0ught]

Where curry?