The TITANS Are LYING -- AGAIN.

[@Pyromancer]

Do you see it? A stone… to call forth the darkness.

[@grumpydinosaur2347]

do characters in wow actually "knows" creation of universe (titan? version with void and light?)? its hard to understand, what actual characters in game knows about the universe

[@marcoprezotto]

Wtf was this intro?! I imagined a whole Pyro documentary kkkk. You are doing great my man

[@tolojr]

SAME! Beautiful, just beautiful.

[@Chrallen06]

When Pyro mentioned the concept of tunneling a core way to her heart, and remove it, reminds me of the Ilgynoth quote about "Her heart is a crater and we have filled it"

[@sves_16]

omggggg no shot

[@KareiTV]

THAT INTRO!!! Amazing! Actual goosebumps

[@miriamweller812]

Sargeras didn't want to attack Azeroth - but shut down the Manigfold for good.

[@Cardulis]

I think there is going to be some parallel between the earthen's "memory gems" and the titan's manipulation of their memory and the crystals in Azeroth. I think the crystals might be the worldsoul's crystalized memory .

[@Pyromancer]

Sure could be!

[@FraudulentEconomics]

Building off my comment on Anduin, every other time he used the light he had to beseech it from on high. When he healed Khadgar, it came FROM HIM. Also Illidan rejecting the light and how it was binding him

[@Obsidian0Sky]

Bro SICK new intro. LOVE it. Give whoever made it (if you didn't make it) a bonus

[@kevingilbert1538]

I always love how you shout out other creators. Dread expanse is one of my favorites. Collab between you, xax, and dread would be awesome.

[@jonathonjollota8661]

I still think all of the “shards of light” from the cosmos are both old gods and naaru. The “choice” is the only difference. It’s light or void and we are witnessing the choice of this crystal.

[@terribleterrier1685]

5 suns....5 torches....5 crystals....5 old gods....it's all the same.

[@ChinnuWoW]

Why 5?

[@H-D-D]

​@@ChinnuWoW because 7 8 9

[@terribleterrier1685]

@@ChinnuWoWthe point is the void mirrors the light. 5 suns, 5 old gods.

[@MrDoctorDave]

The coreway isnt even cylindrical as potrayed in the disc's message, its rectangular. So many lies fed to us.

[@ChinnuWoW]

What a bunch of liars!

[@stephaniec3759]

I am a shadow priest, I have read my character description, many times. You are spot on.

[@nataschajordan6053]

keep in mind: the earthen only know what the wardens told them, who only know what they have been told to fulfil their purpose designed by the titans ^^ in my mind its this way: the curse of flesh wasnt a curse. azeroth created fleshy life from the start, cause she is indeed a mixture of all forces, which results in flesh/blood/free-will those beeings were from the start susceptible to all kinds of forces available. had free will, took sides how they pleased, etc. (for titans this equals chaos and mayham, disorder) titans found it, freaked out a bit over this (cause free will is the opposite of order in the sense of control) took the fleshy ones and MADE THEM into earthen, but told their keepers not of this. (thats why the keepers honestly thought ithe curse of flesh was a curse) in the efford to "cleanse" azeroth of what they deemed "evil" (chaos, shadow/void, free-will) curse of flesh is actually originally fleshy things turning BACK to fleshy, regaining memory etc. we really have to listen closely, when brinthe alsways emphasises that she only knows what she was allowed to know to fulfil their imprinted edicts! - so basically: brinthe is no independant souce of info. as isnt everything thats "downloaded" from the remote relay, telling the keepers what to do. - it could be either titans lying OR - let me finish: someone manipulating the relay to begin with, without titans knowledge! so we dont know, brinthe doesnt know double, and the keepers are also only literally remotely informed about what they need to know to fulfil their designated purpose.

[@nickjames2499]

Amazing intro man. That was awesome

[@charlayned]

Where's Velen? He's been part of almost everything we've done over the past how many expansions. He went to Shadowlands. He's been in Broken Isles. There's so much he's done. But where is he now when he could be interpreting Beladar and the energies we are experiencing. Do we have a source of Draenei history outside of game or in some website? It would be interesting to explore that and how our beloved space goats have travelled here, in particular, and why? What were they seeking if they were seeking something and not just running from danger? To quote Brann, "Inquiring minds want to know..."

[@berzerk4]

Velen never traveled with us to the shadowlands… he took a step back since Legion

[@listenkids]

11.1

[@stephaniec3759]

Still loving that intro. Magnificent!

[@stevenharper7118]

Oribos isn't a "hourglass", it's a spirit loom.

[@TAZMASTA40]

I wonder what the crystals affects on the old gods has been.

[@mikewebster1743]

I just started thinking. What all have the Titans told us that we simply can't deny to be true?

[@burtonkevin32]

The serving the titans and keepers commands with no question as to why reminds me of Neltharion and that glove he had that control the drachtyr his creations that served unquestioning

[@th3grimreap3r69]

Every time I click on these videos the intro blows me away every single time. Edit: After watching the video, have to say what a banger. I think I missed the first 3/4 of that convo when I joined stream the other day. Absolute banger. I do think that it's odd that over the disc quests we saw the blue get taken out of the worldsoul where we see it at first in the first quest it shows some blue. When archaedes says it is the prime he shows it and it's just gold.

[@jungles2688]

It’s always a good time to kick back with a snack and ponder speculation

[@JxLocke]

Among all the cosmic forces, we as mortals can potentially wield them all.

[@GARSTO90]

Nothing surpasses the power of free will.

[@red_river_radio7927]

All of the cosmic forces are unstable when they possess too much power. Even Life becomes chaotic without regulation, which is why I believe the goal is to balance all of the cosmic forces, including Order.

[@Fabiansterll123]

When you mentioned that the Song from Beladar (Naruu) was to lure things in. I was thinking what if thats a song of pain and suffering that Azeroth expels and is set in motion like a speaker. But that also have a negative in that beings that wanna harm Azeroth can hear it and understand its a cry for help and will use that as a point from where they can harm her?

[@shasy89]

I love these speculation/lore videos!!!

[@kij1997]

Sargeras plunging the sword into Az seems like a fractal to Sylvanas receiving the other part of her soul. It might be why Azerite is both yellow and blue, because before the sword the blue essence had been missing? And yellow+blue = green - green like the well of eternity and fel… Azeroth is creation and chaos imo.

[@mortenolimb9122]

Considering the tube we see before the crystal, makes me believe one crystal is below Ulduar, one is below Tomb of Sargeras, and possibly one below Mogu'shan Vault

[@cryam6428]

What this is leading me down to wonder is if the Titans are really nothing more then cosmic Jewelcrafters. We're seeing the raw "uncut" form of energy that is Light/Holy and ordered into a geometric shaped creature we know as the Naaru.

[@jacobhindson2275]

My theory based of what ive gathered from watching your videos. The crystal was void 1st there is a story in the play event in Doronagal called "thraegar's descent" It is literally a play of another thraegar like magni who journey's through the coreway to reach the source of the song that grows louder as he desecends deeper and it is louder in Azj-Kahet than Hallowfall. It is stated that when he goes through Hallowfall the crystal was void dominated. This thraegar must rely on their own source of light .This also explains why the Kobold remember that candles and there own source of light are so important even though most have forgotten exactly why due to the fact of how long ago the crystal was in this constant void state!. This is a play set before the arrival of the arathi and there is a good chance that they play a part in it now being light. The crystal is not turning void it is reverting too void. This being worshipped by the Neurbians long ago and the sacrifices they made surely led to this shard of light flung through the cosmos turning void. This new mad queen in exile will be brought back! The memories of the threads she possess will play a part in the crystals true turn to void. She was exiled because she wished to invade the surface world and was overthrown but not killed as to not lose the knowledge and memories that she held There is a good chance that she knows what happened to this 5th old god and i wouldnt be surprised if Xal killed the current queens in an attempt to bring the mad queen back to rally the rest of the neurbians that are now void alligned once again. The old gods were trying to convince the neurbians to go the surface and bring their empire back but Queen Neferess stopped them and saved her people. What's the chance that across the sea in Hallowfall we find a Titan prison that is no longer functioning properly. Remember the manifold was powering up until the sundering and from there it was all reserve power being run in Khaz Algar. If the prison is starting to fail this could explain why it is becoming harder for the Arathi to keep the crystal in its light phase. Tali just posted a video talking about the crystal and he is kind of on the same path just not as far as you, So i just copied and pasted what i said on there. Most of this is pyro but im linking it with the fact that if we do indeed go across the oceans to where a possible TItan place of power is than im assuming its a prison. Notice how one thing that isnt shown on the map of the titan facilities with the new disc cinematic is there are none of the old gods prisons on that map and those were surely powered by this manifold .

[@Corwin19]

I had assumed that the blue mixed in with the gold of azerite was due to the order infusion from the titan machinery. But with this recent lore drop and all these theories that I haven't heard before, I'm questioning everything I thought I knew lol. Great video, I'm looking forward to seeing which theories turn out to be true!

[@ClaireSiconolfi]

I love everything about this speculation, and I can fully get behind it.

[@prismatic_mind]

@pyromancer I was hoping to catch you still streaming on twitch, I believe that excerpt from the chronicles you read was separating the holy light of the naaru and the light (sun) burning flame of creation, it even was very clear to call the work the naaru were doing holy light, also, it was seemingly clear it wanted to highlight the intentions of the titans were different, by wandering thru the dark (void) looking for more like them. Wondering if maybe that was something you didn’t catch as I was seeing the back end of this video. But hopefully you see this, I love your videos and would like to help contribute my thoughts where I can.

[@Stelphy876]

8:27 i imagine they were drilling through the core to place the objects inside. like we now have a sword that goes through the crust and the layers of the planet to the heart.

[@GustavoNoronha]

24:40 I do believe it is a Naaru crystal! That said, I think it could also just be a short hand the artist used because he also thought it looked like a Naaru crystal, without actually double checking with the lore team that it is.

[@phoenixascending6501]

The pandaren legend of the five suns borrows heavily from the Chinese legend of Hou Yi and the ten suns. Hou Yi is the hunter that shoots down nine of the ten suns. The suns represent the ten sons of the heavenly Jade Emperor. The suns get too close to the earth so it gets too hot and the people suffer. Hou Yi shoots the suns leaving one so that crops can grow. For his heroism, he was given the title of Emperor. As the years passed, Hou Yi became arrogant. Now, Hou Yi had a wife named Chang'e. As her husband's ego grew, he wanted to live forever, so he had an elixir of eternal life made. Chang'e knew that if Hou Yi lived forever, that he would become a tyrant. So she drank the elixir of life and ran away. She ran so fast that she flew away to the moon. Since she was now immortal, she could not return to the earth except for one day every year in mid autumn during the full moon. So she made the moon her home and she became the moon goddess with her companion Jade Rabbit.

[@Elvenfury]

@pyromancer consider the implications of deathwings experiments to combine shadow and flame when all other arcane combinations were much less volatile. It's because it's the prime forces! Shadow and flame!

[@FyreFry]

Really good video and conversation.

[@matthewwatson1297]

I love how so many of illidans quotes are just still absolute bangers when it comes to our free will. The other forces are trying their best to control the children of true creation but our destiny is our own and when all our eyes open to how our free will is what saves us from everything already consuming us in the past, present and in the future for what is to come

[@LuckyPed10]

The Sun in the sky getting shot down by the Archer is based on Chinese Mythology Houyi btw :D at one point there was 10 sun and the earth was getting cooked coz they decided to show up together instead of 1 by 1, so he shut them all down except 1 and saved the mankind xD

[@michaelfraser8504]

Naaru crystal? What a mind...screw.

[@Trokthar]

Wasn't the Thraegar what they called Magni when we arrived on Khaz Algar? So that trip down the core way, the one who heard the call was like Magni was when he was the Speaker.

[@BorgWolf359]

I agree with you on this! We haven't hit the bottom of the Coreway yet! Why does Beledar looked like a shaped Crystal like a Diamond! The other three shown are not shaped! What if the Beledar Crystal isn't from Azeroth but an attack by the Light to bring Azeroth into becoming a Lightforged Titan! The Lightforged Alternate Draenor proves your point! All this reminds me of the ORI from Stargate that were light & fire beings that needed humans to worship them! The more the humans worshiped them the stronger the ORI got! Beledar could have used Azeroth's natural Song to lure in its Believers so they can worship it The Light! Now I think Azeroth does NOT want Beledar or the other crystals in her planet! The Beledar Crystal isn't Azerite they don't look the same at all! Beledar could be using an altered version of Azeroth's song of Hope (like in the Earthen Starter Quest) & using that too control the Arathi for their Faith! The Earthen use the unchanged Azeroth Song to break free of the Titan Prison they are put into after being scanned as an unknown anomaly! I no longer Trust in Beledar being a good thing for Azeroth!

[@emiliollamasalba3759]

Mmm... in that map, doesn't the hole (the sink?) have the exact shape of the naaru crystal? Maybe all the land in harrowfall are the rests of something broken?

[@rob_castillo]

Just commenting to say that was a gorgeous intro!

[@rickl5667]

If Beledar is a lure (pretending to be the the coveted world soul) does that suggest the mural of the 5th old god depicts the old god being tricked into being consumed by the crystal or something else? if so, it has fooled both light and void.

[@lurk_e]

oribos looks like a coreway

[@Novandara-xo]

Yes things don't make it into the game from concept, but I agree, it would be super unlikely for them to pivot on this clear point that Hallowfall (and TWW itself) is built around. To change the identity of the giant naaru crystal late in the writing process would surely waste so much prior time spent.

[@Maldanil]

What if Beledar is basically Azeroth's body rejecting a foreign threat and encasing it in her essence, similarly how veru rarely our organisms do the same especially in the stomach area. So its true that Azeroth's essnce would show up all over Beledar but its just a cocoon.

[@Ej9196]

Xalatath said the void sees the naaru brethren whom have lost their way…. If naaru have lost their way that implies void was first. It’s a cycle and it has been for a long time.

[@lifeoftekki]

Great, now im more confused then i was before.

[@MyraAmherst2018]

4:35 wait she says "continents". was there more than just Old Kalimdor?

[@r.hotzenplotz245]

Dat Intro..Just Epic!

[@hyperstimmed]

Intro editing SO on point

[@burtonkevin32]

ALSO!! We don’t know where old gods go when they die…what if it’s somehow them going into one of those shards? That’s there nyalotha? Nzoth being blasted with Azeroth energy and exploding into light….

[@Stillwins]

maybe the earthen were at the halls of origination, but had been reorigonated?

[@kylestrickland4593]

Who ever made your new intro they did an amazing job! Love the new intro you have pyro

[@toddallen7436]

Do you think perhaps Dimensius was spawned from something like Beledar?

[@Pyromancer]

Perhaps!

[@angelaschmalke7836]

You should go back and run the dungeon in hall of originations and the other dungeon and raids where all the other titans facilities .

[@Pyromancer]

I plan to!

[@angelaschmalke7836]

I have a feeling that theirs are hidden secrets within those dungeons and we don't pay attention because we're too busy trying to get through it

[@darklurkerirl6101]

Why are there diamond-shaped patterns on Beladar? They look so out of place on it. Like some kind of crsytalized teeth.

[@mbnottelmann]

The reason Azurite is yellow and blue is because it is light infused with order.

[@alexgaeckle1540]

So i'm fairly sure they could have been in uldum before the sundering seeing as how Khaz Algar is close to Southern tip of Kalimdor..

[@mikedarling905]

i am having a wonderful day now i see a new youtube clip.

[@Complication84]

Really awesome intro!

[@SoteksChunkyProphet-dg7io]

Pyro, would you be pissed if the titans were just the good guys all along?

[@Pyromancer]

Not if it was written well.

[@catrinastars]

@@Pyromancer at this point that would be very hard to do…

[@Pyromancer]

@@catrinastarsPerhaps. I think I could make it work in the end.

[@MathiasE80]

It's going to take A LOT of new lore that has to be really really well written to make all of their actions make them look good in any way, shape or form. All of what we've learned about them so far is them vying for control of the cosmos and remake (reordering) it in their image of order which imo is no better than trying to destroy everything.

[@Pyromancer]

@@MathiasE80No reason to explain that to me haha. Remember that I’m the guy who championed the Titans being bad before pretty much anybody else.

[@roninhare9615]

Could the Naruu have always been of void, and the light version of the naru are those who were ordered? That they are light because they have 1 path, where as the void naru has all paths? When you can see Infinte possibilities, you become blind to them, but focus on 1? It’s a light in the dark.

[@royotterdijk5101]

are those runes at the bottem of the coreway in that hologram?

[@MrAndyboo]

Pyro, why are we always having the same hair and beard growth at the same time for many years? And pretending to have my curse of only being able to grow a goatee? I'm about to make my own theory video.

[@MrAndyboo]

Actually I thank the World Soul he has yet had the lip injections to make our proportions exact. He even drew his eyebrow thick with the point at the top of the bridge to clearly copy mine. I will reveal you eventually as a dreadlord trying to masquerade as me for so long. You won't get away with this.

[@Buildonsound]

36:22 Be-lure-dar

[@melzied84]

So do you think “The Light” that the Arathi and now Anduin wield is different than The Light everyone else has been following (ordered light)? Like do the Arathi and Anduin follow a true Light? Game seems to make a big deal about Anduin losing Light and regaining it in Hallowfall. Kinda like the Aspects getting their powers from Azeroth not Titan magics.

[@cjmahar7595]

There must be a crystal under crystal song forest

[@caboose8402]

How would these crystals interact with or affect Azeroth’s ley lines?

[@roninhare9615]

This is a bit of a scientific fact, but over 50% of all calcium in the universe is born out of a super nova. Kinda tracks with the calcified shards of light or what ever these crystals are. Just food for thought. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@charlayned]

Which, if these crystals are light connecting, it would make the 1-2% of the calcium in our bodies, mainly bones and teeth, able to resonate with the crystals. Makes sense with the Arathi and Anduin able to reach and use the light as they do.

[@staneroque517]

Bro said the Earthen were never in Uldaman... Uh, YEAH. There were Earthen in that dungeon since classic. Troggs are devolved Earthern, that's why there are so many troggs in Uldaman, from the Earthen that were there. And still are...

[@burtonkevin32]

What if not only literally fall but fall as in become void?

[@locolukou]

what if leylines are related to the roots or manifold

[@angelaschmalke7836]

Now I'm thinking about all the zone where we can see crystal because there one in each expansion including some there's not even on Azeroth.

[@depresion9587]

so according to this all the old gods are naaru?

[@jamesmer6216]

Can we reconnect the grid\manifold would be interesting to revisit them ALL.

[@Chad-zd4vs]

That intro tho

[@AusRyno]

that intro is excessively long and doesnt add value to the video

[@Maurice1765-u1k]

If light and void were created by the titans we are fucked and I dont know how we can defeat them unless azeroth awakens

[@Yvario]

Who’d you blow for this intro?! 😂❤

[@gurrtug9213]

how do i find the early hallowfall map?

[@chaosi17]

Insaaaaane introo ❤

[@11131618570]

Yo, very nice intro. ☆☆☆☆☆ edit

[@thelustymetapod]

love the new intro bro

[@ulisesroldan2955]

Josh Navarro fired tomorrow

[@Fllapster]

First :) but also this intro is so good everytime

[@Knownasnemoo]

woow nice intro :D

[@mandamelli3178]

i reallllyyyyy wish he'd stop berating people and idk man like i love his theories, i love love lOVE the passion!!! but it just feels so mean and believe me i GET the frustration especially "i've been trying to say this stuff for years" but not everyone has read stuff and is excited to come up w. ideas and then just to get berated and shouted down idk pls :/

[@KurtzeTube]

Dude did I missed you…

[@GlowColourNails]

im still calling it, azeroth is evil

[@miriamweller812]

Who say that the underground sea existed before the sundering? The Manigfold was build before it. It likely changed A LOT underground. It's not unlikly, that the sea didn't exist before at all and that the part the island was cut off is on the other side of it.

[@TheKillerPala]

Maybe a stupid idea. Is Azeroth the 7th cosmic force? That of freedom? Where all other powers can exist together in peace? There is a saying: ``Where there is light there is always darkness. `` or ``Without death, life is not worth living.``

[@fedxpro]

You don’t believe what’s told in game that opposes your theory? That’s convenient lmao

[@Pyromancer]

Do you even know any of the lore that doesn't exist in the game? That's convenient.

[@bamsbeyrek9728]

I think Blizzard didn't even think of Norgannon as some powerful deceitful commanding/dominating a-bag, but Pyro gave them a barrage of ideas about him, I've started to believe that they're just gonna copy them and claim "We were telling this story all along".

[@ValeeraIRL]

I think Titans are the good guys here and I am not capping. This guys acts like they are desperate to save or protect "something". Especially Aman'thul , Sargeras and Khaz'goroth.