Quake with mouse view (low sensi, high accel)

Damn, my mousing looks insane when I see it like this. :D
366cm/360° + accel to about 44cm/360°.
Logitech G100S @ 500hz 500dpi.
Accel driver: teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/5...

[@vojtizslav]

First i was bursting out laughing. But after i saw how you got that movement down i got silent

[@svenberger_]

a little bit faster and u can make fire :D

[@rekthan_2333]

using a mic stand as a bungee... you've just enlightened me :D

[@stefanstolic2680]

I used to do really good with accel on, but then I listened to others and turned it off, and I never got good with a consistent sensitivity. I think the people that say personal preference is the key are right. I feel a lot more comfortable with accel on because of its smooth tracking and I have a lot more space to move my mouse on.

[@SakariMover]

I call it the gaming sleeve. I made it myself, from satin. Basically any fabric that is low friction on your mousepad will do.

[@thejentzen]

I could probably watch this all day

[@SakariMover]

Yes, well the driver has very clear and simple explanations in the video and readme files that come with it. The link is in the description. Just keep in mind that if your mouse requires a driver software to be present in order for it to work, the accel driver might mess it up.

[@OGameChannel]

That is amazing. I cant play FPS games with acceleration. I have like 43/360 sensitivity, but you apparently have SO much lower without that accel.

[@SakariMover]

If my main game was Quake I would definitely use a higher sensi or accel. I'm using Quake as the exhibition game because it's faster paced than Battlefield 3.

[@SakariMover]

But if you're thinking of a similar pad, look into Corepad, they make large cloth pads as well. I just ordered one of their larger ones to see how good it is.

[@FinnAndJake23]

Damn, you're fricken amazing man.

[@Ressh1n]

Insane indeed. Thanks for sharing.

[@SakariMover]

I haven't played without acceleration since I found this accel driver. I've been trying base sensitivities from 110cm to about 440cm, currently about 400 I think. Accel brings it up to about 35-40cm for 360.

[@iLiokardo]

that just sounds insane

[@EnormeEkoH]

Why? lol

[@auro8649]

110 to 440? lol I mean its 9 years ago but WTF

[@SakariMover]

What sensitivity do you use? If you turn 360 at 50cm or less, then this mouse should be fine for you. At sensitivities lower than that, you might experience skipping. The sensor is really nice in my opinion, tho I don't know how good it is for very high sensitivity users. The overclock net forum is a very good place for mouse information.

[@SakariMover]

The company seems to be doing pretty badly. But it's called Ulti-Mat Breathe x4, see if you can find it in your online stores.

[@mellowmike4183]

mouse accel over 9000

[@randomsnow6510]

heeeee ah heeeeeeeee ah heeeeeeeeee! (thats a laugh btw)

[@mikesjrgeon6939]

beauty movements n accurate aiming. Nice, mAan))

[@Alex-------]

They make sleeves like that for mountain biking. I got loads of sets. Silky smooth sleeves!...will give one a shot for gaming. Anyway....Mew do you have a basic cm/360 that you go back to? Seems each vid is a new sens. Great to watch BTW ^-^

[@cygnus4723]

AWSOME MAN GOOD AIM!

[@SakariMover]

I love it! :D Millenium MS-2006.

[@BullHorn7]

I can only show you the door, you're the one who has to dive over it.

[@SakariMover]

You might be fine with G100S, but there's always a chance it will skip with you, if you're a crazy flicker. :) Maybe look at some of the Zowie mice, Zowie FK seems nice.

[@wvmy]

This is impressive

[@Hydraxit]

Thx for the upload! :)

[@joelcadiz7208]

What configuration is needed for the weapon to stay still and in the center?

[@darkmineful]

This is litteraraly Esport right there :o

[@elfferich1212]

Guess this proves you can actually play well even with a ridiculous acceleration setup.

[@willb6785]

Elfferich Hes using software that makes acceleration consistent im pretty sure

[@rileygshep7606]

@@willb6785 quake in game accel is the same as povohat

[@Simone_jw]

@@rileygshep7606 What do you think about using mouse acceleration on cue live? I am dpi 800, sensori 2, accel 0.09. They use it a lot among QL pro's, but it's usually inconsistent, and it's not good for muscle memory. (If you don't play games for a while, it seems to take a long time to adjust.) Additionally, you use mouse accelerated external programs (raw accel), etc., is external programs more convenient and consistent than QL's console commands? I would appreciate it if you could tell me about mouse acceleration and poppohat in QL.

[@Tatoru91]

Thats insane

[@Feisar777]

This is how i played for many years and it was great for me! @db mew it good to see somebody pro accel for once, i've been having loads of problems ever since moving away from windows XP, haven't been able to replicate the acceleration, it's pushed me to using higher sensitivies but then i don't feel like i get the fine control on situations where you don't need to turn and it's affected my aim and playstyle massively not having that accel to dig me out, the idea was to increase steady aim by having an ultra low sens where a 180 spin would not be possible without the acceleration and enjoy the best of both worlds @db mew have you struggled to keep this accel consistent across OS and game editions?

[@SakariMover]

i don't use it anymore, but when i did, i was able to have it consistent in all games. didn't change OS while using it tho, so can't say anything on that.

[@avery2306]

I wish I could have that much desk space

[@_l04f]

That's craaazyy

[@milosgrujic9118]

This is actualy good replacement for a gym workout. 😁

[@MrsShaiaz]

Nice mouse bungee !

[@RoyPetrie]

Powerfull movement, but is the sound always off? Silent gaming better concentrading?

[@SleepyAdam]

Dear lord, this is why CPMA is so intimidating to me haha.

[@thatzaliasguy]

This is exactly why I play with a fingertip Trackball.

[@Reconical]

Well if you just ordered one, would you mind giving feedback? I'd love that if you could, thanks man

[@shallpion]

i can only worship...

[@Reconical]

Thanks!

[@laeioun]

What acceleration value/type were you using? What would your curve look like on a graph of sensitivity over counts per ms?

[@SakariMover]

I don't recall precisely, but my base sensitivity was suuuper low, like 0.1 or something. And accel exponent was high, like 3 to 5. And just set the sensi cap so that fast flick was what I'm used to.

[@MysticRixel]

I'm amazed that mouse is able to read those m/s.

[@Sinoops]

g100s has a great sensor

[@vojtizslav]

two words - optical mouse. Thats what you want.

[@xylope3384]

i use 45 cm 180 degree

[@terminator7M]

could you please give an idea as to how to make the wrist sleeve you made for yourself?

[@SakariMover]

Basically I looked for a material that had the least friction against my mousepad. Then I created a sleeve out of it so that the "lines" in the fabrics were at a 90° angle to each other and added a loop of string on the front that I put around my index finger to keep it from rolling on my arm.

[@terminator7M]

+db mew thanks, could u also tell me what that material is or where I can buy it from?

[@SakariMover]

Well, I think my sleeve is made out of satin or something akin to that. Basically you want the highest thread count and glossy finish I guess. You need to actually go to a fabric store and buy samples that you can test.

[@terminator7M]

+db mew understood...tyvm :)

[@llovebeats3749]

This is the guy that is beating you in ADHD-mod

[@MrSpookyDW]

What equipment do u play?

[@RoyPetrie]

Can you please give me the code (for no texture in game) after you press the ~ key.... and do you have the code for (all characters are green). It's very usefull, I saw it ones

[@ronniemillsap]

I think it is r_picmip 16

[@iamdialer]

Can you drop the settings somewhere?

[@rol9408]

Hey, where did you get that sleeve for your arm? I could really do witht that!

[@SakariMover]

I call it the gaming sleeve. I made it myself, from satin. Basically any fabric that is low friction on your mousepad will do.

[@Simone_jw]

It's a video of incredible arm movements...Watching this makes me feel how sensitive I am. What do you think about using mouse acceleration on cue live? I am dpi 800, sensori 2, accel 0.09. They use it a lot among QL pro's, but it's usually inconsistent, and it's not good for muscle memory. (If you don't play games for a while, it seems to take a long time to adjust.)

[@SakariMover]

Accel is good, but it takes effort to remain consistent. Most important thing is to have the sensitivity cap in the acceleration so that your flicks are always the same sensitivity as long as you flick past a certain speed. I haven't used accel in years now, because I no longer play Quake. The thing in my arm is a "gaming sleeve" I made myself. It's a smooth cloth, similar to silk, which just slides really well against my mousepad.

[@Simone_jw]

@@SakariMover Thank you. You don't do Quake anymore. ^^ Is it correct that the sensitivity cap console command is /cl_mouseSensCap ?? I don't think it's necessary, but can you tell me how high it gets when I don't have a cap on it?

[@SakariMover]

@@Simone_jw I haven't used the acceleration in the Quake engine, I only used the Povohat acceleration driver. But in that, the acceleration scales the sensitivity higher as long as you move the mouse faster. That's why the cap is useful, so that you can just find a flick speed that you will usually go over and set the cap so that every flick is with the same sensitivity, that way your flicks will be much more consistent than without a cap.

[@Simone_jw]

@@SakariMover Thank you. I have an additional inquiry. 1. When you also used acceleration, did you set up the cap for stable flick shots? 1. Why use Povohat' acceleration, instead of the acceleration of the Quake engine, to apply the same to other games? 2. Please introduce Povohat. (windows 10~) 3. You used acceleration, and I'm curious about the mouse dpi, sensori, and acceleration sensitivity that you used in Quake.

[@SakariMover]

@@Simone_jw 1. Yes, I used a sensitivity cap for flick shots. It makes them much better. 2. I used Povohat's accel driver because I mainly used accel in Battlefield 3, but wanted to use it in other games with the same settings. 3. I don't remember my settings completely, but I used Logitech G100S and the Ninox Aurora mouse, usually 400-800 DPI. Acceleration and sensitivity settings usually so that base sensitivity was very low, something like 60-100 cm / 360° and then accel made it to about 25-40 cm / 360°.

[@mellowmike4183]

Heey, is this mouse resonably responsive?

[@NoshNosher]

What's that thing on your arm called? I'd love to get one

[@cursedtosufferGRIMM]

It's a microphone stand, and he uses it as a mouse bungee. Also, sorry for replying to a necro comment.

[@mik310s]

Bloody hell I thought mine was low @ 80cm for 360 but I dont use any accel, thats nuts

[@SakariMover]

It's crazy how I was able to use that. Only used it for a day or so to see if I could. I don't use accel anymore tho.

[@amit-jv7tj]

what kinda curve are you using for that? maybe you can ss the curve or even the values if you dont mind

[@SakariMover]

Sorry, i havent used accel in years anymore. But usually exponential 2-5 for accel curve. And sensi cap to normalize fast flicks so its always the same sensi. Lots of experimentation is needed.

[@amit-jv7tj]

@@SakariMover oh you use an exp curve? hmm maybe that is good for your purpose. Im using it for something similar, i cant turn around quick enough on games like OW/FN and im on 40cm so currently im using a linear curve with a sens cap of 1.7 but as you said there is alot of room for small adjustments etc.. i just got this driver yesterday

[@SakariMover]

@@amit-jv7tj i did use linear as well. 2 is linear. For me the exponential curve served as a gradual accel offset. At low mouse movement speeds the accel was low and as i moved the mouse faster the accel would ramp up faster. But linear is good as well. High linear is a bit rough tho i feel.

[@onion420]

hi what falconers glove is this i am looking into keeping some owls

[@SakariMover]

It's my self made falconing sleeve. Finnish falcons are smaller, so they don't require your falconing sleeve to be as thick as with some of the bigger birds out there. This is mainly to protect my delicate nerd forearms from scratches and bruises.

[@onion420]

You have very big muscular veiny forearms :) As a gamer with chronic arthritis I can't help but appreciate the low ass sens you play on

[@illusstrait]

i think a case could be argued in favour of mouse acceleration.....

[@SakariMover]

A lot of Quake Live players use accel, but I don't think almost anybody in CSGO uses it. I think the effectiveness depends a lot on the game.

[@mitsuracer87]

Of course. There's no reason not to use it

[@Reconical]

Where can i get that mousepad?

[@SaiMoen]

have you tried RawAccel?

[@danduerango7718]

What's that thing you're wearing that connects to your finger, and should i have one?

[@SakariMover]

It's a loop of string that attaches to the "gaming sleeve" to prevent it from spinning on my arm. The sleeve is to reduce friction on the mousepad, good if you use a very low sensitivity.

[@danduerango7718]

@@SakariMover 🧠🧠🧠🧠

[@FunOrange42]

what's that thing you have your mouse cable wrapped around?

[@SakariMover]

www.thomann.de/gb/millenium_ms2006.htm

[@vojtizslav]

DIY man

[@Huqe]

So how many cm it takes for you to do 360 turn if you turn your mouse very slowly?

[@SakariMover]

366cm/360°. But this video was just an experiment, I didn't actually use these settings after the video.

[@Huqe]

Ah, I see. Thanks for answer!

[@zitchaden]

damn

[@lolhi6820]

And there is her sense now Buy ??

[@edisonchoy1256]

Just curious but what is the thing below your keyboard wrist?

[@SakariMover]

I used an extra mousepad to soften the keypresses and dampen sound. It was under the keyboard.

[@trickap5285]

And i use 3cm/360..... I'll start using 25cm/360 and stop complaining about it being low sens because of this video haha

[@Huqe]

You really should, 25cm is very good for Quake. I'm 41cm/360 myself

[@egorlevin9389]

bros, i am 55cm/360

[@Ditlev.]

Thats how to get buff while playing video games ;)

[@thecoolpopper]

holy shit that sens

[@SakariMover]

Was more of a proof of concept than anything, never played Quake extensively with that sense. Played Battlefield for quite a while with that type of a sensi tho.

[@merrickx]

db mew What keys are you using for WASD?

[@SakariMover]

JKL and comma. Here's a video of my left hand while playing: The magic fingers of mew I shoot from alt, jump from mouse2.

[@ShakeITyEA]

Maybe havent seen the vid too long but didnt see any railguin flickshots from u. how come? :P

[@SakariMover]

I was never a flick aimer, and using accel makes it even harder. But there are at least a couple small flick rails here. Remember that since I'm using a FOV of 130 the flicks seem shorter than they would at lower FOVs.

[@TheGhettoLobster]

If you want to be able to replicate this experience in CPM you can try out Xonotic. I assume you already have played reflex. Xonotic is an awesome open source arena shooter game similar to quake and unreal.

[@Wylie288]

Looks like CPM to me? He is turning in the air very quickly. Unless this is quake world? Im unfamiliar with that game.

[@Healp145]

I imagine using lg is gonna be hard

[@conrad6436]

whats that thing on your arm??

[@CortVermin]

artificial skin, the old one burned after playing 20 minutes rocketarena

[@S1L3nCe]

Watching this is like porn for my eyes :O

[@SakariMover]

+s1L3nCe I might be interested to hear more. ;)

[@S1L3nCe]

+db mew Well man, what can I say. I love how you move and play CPMA. Looks so smooth and precise! It is just a great feeling watching it :D

[@SakariMover]

Yea, well that's what I always tried to do, look smooth. Comes from my trick jumping days I guess. For the record, I am only average in actual combat in CPMA, but in tricking I was one of the best.

[@eqeqeqwer9860]

does your wrist contact with your mousepad?

[@SakariMover]

Yes, but lightly. I don't rest my hand on the mouse, I keep it there quite gently.

[@vojtizslav]

must be exhausting

[@watermalown8813]

Ooo we have the same mouse

[@HylianNBf]

omg

[@MrBigr11]

What is that on your arm ??

[@SakariMover]

MrBigr11 its a "gaming sleeve" i made. reduces friction on the mousepad.

[@RS_Redbaron]

lel i see this after i do it my self. Because i have class table and have other mouse-pad.

[@Brzzzyexe]

nobody: krunker players bhopping towards you:

[@SakariMover]

They're all bots. :|

[@calleblomquist]

come and Play Unreal Tournamen 3 Warfare i will see ur play

[@griot1722]

what keyboard is that?

[@SakariMover]

Georgo Zuwe Steelseries G6v2 I think. Red switches.

[@Artkid402]

whats that sleeve thing?

[@SakariMover]

It's my own creation I call "The gaming sleeve". Basically a cloth that has very low friction against my mousepad, to prevent my sweaty wrist from sticking to it etc. Also keeps my mousepad in good condition for a lot longer.

[@David-ql5xv]

can u please tell us what the material u use? I have this problem too. I want to make one

[@SakariMover]

I can't tell you what material will work best for you. You will have to go to a fabric store, buy a few samples which seem like they would be slippery on your mousepad. Or take your mousepad with you to the store. Find the one that is most slippery and buy more of that.

[@Jjuliannnn]

what do you have in ur arm? that red thing?

[@SakariMover]

It's a "gaming sleeve" I made for myself. Basically just a really slippery cloth (satin or something) that reduces friction against the mousepad. Been using one since 2003.

[@Jjuliannnn]

I need something like that I usually sweat my hand or just I have to warm up so much just to reduce the friction D': how can I get one?

[@yosemite6545]

Also interested in where I can find one

[@mikesjrgeon6939]

what 'bout deFRAG?)

[@bernardinomhuerta]

You should upload cod gameplay using that sens

[@SakariMover]

I have Battlefield 3 and 4 gameplay with similar settings.

[@bernardinomhuerta]

@@SakariMover post them plz

[@SakariMover]

@@bernardinomhuerta kzbin.info/aero/PLSNV2TGMRWZula-zB-wrAJFAWAtPMXbCU my BF playlist. Video titles state accel settings. Not all have accel.

[@TheVassilek]

If ill play like him, after 2 hours my all hand can trow away by window :D

[@xyaz_]

Whatever’s comfortable

[@SakariMover]

This definitely wasn't comfortable in the long run. It was only a test to see what the extreme looks like in terms of very low base sensitivity combined with high acceleration.

[@xyaz_]

Sakari Pollari Do you know your exact mouse settings are like sensitivity wise

[@SakariMover]

@@xyaz_ 366cm/360° without accel and with accel the fast flick sensitivity is about 44cm/360°. I used the povohat acceleration mouse driver to tweak the acceleration curve. I think I used an exponential curve for it as well, so something like 3-5 I think. Mouse hz 500.

[@xyaz_]

Sakari Pollari while I was watching your video I saw the recommended videos under it was a vid by kovaaK about the same program I’m watching it right now and installing it because I really want to try it out sensitivities because I want to see which ones comfortable for me And I probably roughly have the same size mouse pad as you but I’ve been using a higher sensitivity and I want to try out a lower sensitivity but I don’t know which one to try

[@xyaz_]

Sakari Pollari Basically all I want to do is copy your settings and then adjust it from there to what I like

[@abdurrahmanlabib916]

Wh t mousepad?

[@SakariMover]

Corepad Deskpad. Black cloth with rubber bottom.

[@bluetiger811]

I'm not very familiar with quake tactics, but is there any reason he doesn't just use a high DPI/Sensitivity so he doesnt have to move his arm all over the place?

[@ve_rb]

Lower sensitivity offers more precision

[@TacoInvader69]

What pad is that?

[@SakariMover]

It's an Ulti-Mat. A Finnish brand that went under or something, can't get them anymore. I currently use a Corepad Deskpad, almost exactly the same, but they come in larger sizes. This one is half of a 120cm x 60cm one I bought and cut in two. Now I have a 60x60 pad and also a spare. :)

[@MrEVAQ]

db mew I can't quite tell, but it's a cloth pad, correct?

[@dudesome6969]

Damn, so much arm movement, I basically just move the mouse with my fingertips and use my wrist. :p

[@vojtizslav]

me too

[@Silphatos]

now that's what I call low sens lel

[@Go_Coup]

+s1lphatos I assumed it was impossible to play cpm well with a low sens. Apparently, I was wrong.

[@ibrahimsab6335]

what is this game ?

[@SakariMover]

Quake 3 Challenge Promode Arena.

[@auroranamex5886]

Looks too crazy and frustrating

[@MrSpookyDW]

What is this guys?And where i can buy this thing?

[@SakariMover]

What are you talking about?

[@vojtizslav]

he wants to buy your thing man.

[@GALAPEREDOL69]

broken mousefeets i think

[@iLiokardo]

LOL

[@ion9753]

YEP

[@Ditlev.]

When you start playing: damm I'm good. Mid game: my arm hurts!! End game: KILL MEE!!

[@vojtizslav]

must be exhausting

[@guilhermeribeirovaz]

Mousepad name please :DDDD

[@SakariMover]

That one was called Ulti-Mat, but these days I use Corepad Deskpad. it's bigger and better. :)

[@AcheTCK]

+db mew still with logitech g100s?

[@AcheTCK]

+db mew have you tested zowie gs-r mousepad?

[@SakariMover]

I have not. I've only used large black cloth pads. Ulti-Mat Breathe and Corepad Deskpad.

[@mihgjojo5351]

what game is this

[@SakariMover]

Quake 3 CPMA

[@kroganwrex7945]

@@SakariMover Amazing movements! Have you tried playing DEFRAG?

[@SakariMover]

@@kroganwrex7945 I never really played DEFRAG, but I did lots of trickjumping in CPMA.

[@kroganwrex7945]

@@SakariMover your movement is so sweeping though i think it's more practical to play high sensitivity in quake, i use fk2 + goliathus control at 30cm/360 sens with no accel and i have over 50% shaft&rail.

[@SakariMover]

@@kroganwrex7945 True, I didn't actually play with this sensitivity setting, this video was just a test to see how extreme you can go with low sensitivity and acceleration. I generally played with around 45-50 cm / 360° for trickjumping. Here's a video of my normal settings: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJ2wi5ehZbGlgck

[@calinpetrescu9128]

That's one way to fuck up your wrist

[@VivaLaRazsa]

low sens won't really fuck your wrist unless you grip your mouse with too much force.

[@juanchol21]

lol

[@powderhungry6611]

your sensitivity is wayyyy too low... you need accel if you're going to play that low on sensitivity

[@jolofoce]

well duh... Didn't you see the huge accel in the video

[@powderhungry6611]

he is moving his mouse for pretty long strides if he is using accel. doesn't it normally only take a small wrist twitch to do a 180\360?

[@jolofoce]

mc Dowells accel means the faster you move your mouse, the faster it moves, he moved his mouse slow and it didn't move a lot, he moved his mouse fast and it moved a lot more, if he needs to do a 360 (for whatever reason) he can just move his mouse, lift it, and move it again

[@powderhungry6611]

A Non there is something called offset, and it makes it so accel only kicks in after a certain amount of mouse speed. Typically, a person uses low sens but their accel offset and power is setup so they don't have to move their arm like that. The offset would allow the person to move the mouse slow so they can aim well, and then do little flicks to make fast twitch motion or be able to orientate easier. This looks terrible and exhausting. This isn't good use of accel, this is very strange. To be quite brutally honest, it looks more like he is using almost no accel and using super low sensitivity. Rapha's cfg has accel settings the exact way I described it, and it is very easy to go from aiming well to strafe jumping and doing fast turns. Plus, I think he has calibrated it so you get the most out of strafe jumps.

[@SakariMover]

The entire point of the video was to showcase an extreme case of low sensi + accel scenario. And that's exactly what the video does. I demonstrate the accel in the beginning. First I move the mouse quickly across approximately 50% of the mousepad turning 180 degrees and then slowly across the whole pad turning barely 90 degrees. Yes, there is accel, no, it's not a lot. But because the base sensitivity is super low it makes it seem extreme. I didn't actually play with this sort of settings in any real way.

[@anyone933]

That's stupid.