Quantum of Solace vs Spectre - Face Off

[@joe74509migo]

Once I described the action scenes in Spectre to a friend who never seen the film, he thought I was making them up because how ridiculous these were. "So Bond standing on a speed boat took aim with his pistol (with no scope attached) at a flying helicopter and managed to shot it out of the sky with a single bullet..."

[@davidporter7095]

Spectre had so much potential, but the desperate “brother” connection just caused a nose dive

[@yudhabagaskara98]

And revealing Madeline is White's daughter

[@daggy561]

Quantum of Solace will remain one of my favorites. The French Villain & intentions are relevant, Craig seems to show off his best action sequences and smarts. Additionally, as the Bond Girl, Olga Kurylenko was impressive. The third act of this film was very emotional, action packed and enjoyable. I’m a fan of the storyline overall, despite it always getting harsh critique

[@sunsetman22]

I absolutely loved the homage to Goldfinger with Strawberry Fields. honestly wasn't expecting that when viewing the "worst" Craig Bond film for the first time. that, among other things, is why it became one of my favourites of the entire saga

[@daggy561]

@@sunsetman22 agreed ! And the actress played a great character

[@kieranwhite6647]

I find Quantum improves slightly with every rewatch. I just find Spectre dull, there's a lot of screen time where not a lot happens

[@sebastianbehrendt6077]

and every rewatch of spector makes it dummer... shooting down a helicopter with a ppk, trying to kill bond on his way to oberhauser, but then expecting him there, setting up the building as a deathtrap within 25 hours (plus waltz wounds healed in the same time), madeline leaving him seconds befor the final just to be captured...

[@shaneilogo2100]

Blofeld turns out to be Bond's brother. Just like Dr. Evil was also Austin Powers' brother. This is why I have a hard time taking Spectre seriously. 😂

[@IncPoint]

Quantum actually had really good subtext underneath all the shaky cam which was not awfully terrible. Spectre was an empty film with bland directing.

[@Omar-wq9dz]

Quantum Of Solace could have turned out better if the writers’ strike didn’t happen

[@atwunz]

Like majority of the films at that time.

[@spaceace4387]

Or they could have just waited until they had a completed script.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

Roberto Schaefer's cinematography deserves better recognition He gave Quantum of Solace the cleanest and sharpest look in the entire James Bond saga

[@dtuk22]

In retrospect all the Craig Bond's are a bit lacking.

[@thebeardofpepe]

Quantum is so clearly the winner. It’s editing isn’t nearly as bad as most say and specter is so dreadfully boring and recons so much of what came before it that’s it’s unforgivable

[@sunsetman22]

exactly! Spectre was retcon galore. a lazy and extremely incompetent way of bringing the old Bond canon into Craig's films. as good as Skyfall is, it kind of started that trend of referencing past movies in big, obvious ways, which isn't that great since Craig's Bond shined best when he was his own entity.

[@thebeardofpepe]

@@sunsetman22 Totally agree with you. Quantum felt like a natural progression of the raw, visceral Bond introduced in Casino. I imagine due to the negative reaction to Quantum there was push for the old campyness to come back thus it's injection in Skyfall. Quantum is no doubt at times hard to follow but it demands your attention. No passive watching experience. The more you watch it the better it gets. Spectre is laughably bad, the chase scene is a total joke as is the one hit blow up base. The super short train fight is easily the best part.

[@thebeardofpepe]

@@rossmccay you’re every bit as bad as people say boomer. Go get your reading glasses on it’s tea time

[@jamesonp3873]

I stand by Quantum of Solace as the better one because, I personally think Another Way to Die is an underrated Bond song, the runtime is far tighter than any of the other Craig films, the vindictive anger of Bond in this one makes him unique to the other 4 films, Kurylenko and Amalric are great, David Harbour's minor role, and Judi fucking Dench! The choppy editing might bother some, but I personally think it's fine.

[@sunsetman22]

I think they should've waited for Shirley Bassey's theme, it's a much better fit to both the tone and to the franchise overall. Jack White's song is an interesting experiment at best, but one that didn't belong in the finished film if you ask me. otherwise agree with everything you said.

[@jamesonp3873]

@@sunsetman22 That's fair, while I enjoy the song it's upbeat power duet doesn't mesh with the rest of the film's tone. But I'd still say when it comes to replayability it ranks only behind Skyfall for the Craig era. You Know my Name and The Writing is on the Wall are average, and I can't even remember No Time to Die's theme.

[@Pete_xp]

@@jamesonp3873 Casino Royale song is great

[@thabreez456]

I actually dont mind the action setpieces in Quantum. I think that a lot of the setups made for a cool scenario for bond particularly the final fight. However the issues lie within the shaky cam and the choppy editing. With both of those aspects improved this could have easily outdone casino royale in terms of fun bond action scenes.

[@tylerjsmithers8385]

Something he didn't mention was the look... Quantum is bright and colorful while Spectre looks drab and lifeless... For most of Spectre (except for the bit in Switzerland), there is this yellow (piss) fillter over the picture, taking away from the breathtaking cinematography and natural color.

[@sunsetman22]

it's sad because it was shot by THE Hoyte van Hoytema

[@mike91mdk45]

The battle of meh vs meh. I'd have to give it to quantum. Spectre really went left with the whole "I'm the author of all your pain, mr powers! *Dr evil pinky*

[@spacemann1425]

The thing is that is one of the only few flaws Spectre has. Other than that the film is pretty solid. Quantum has many.

[@sunsetman22]

call me crazy but I like Quantum better than the movies that followed, especially Spectre and NTTD (the OHMSS homages weren't enough to save that movie imo). it and Casino Royale form a nice duology. I kind of see Skyfall as it's own entity.

[@abneraranivar346]

When someone hasn’t gotten into the Craig bond films i always suggest to watch a supercut of Casino Royale & Quantum together as Quantum is much more of an Epilogue than a sequel. It closes the chapter of grief Bond endures throughout the film leading perfectly into Skyfall.

[@VALENTINEproductions]

Quantum always felt like an incomplete movie, but I can say, its my most watched Bond film. Its fast paced and packed with action. If you consider it a kind of short film that shows what happens after Casino, it works. Spectre is boring as fuck. The best part is the introduction and Bautista. He should have been a surprise twist as the actual villain of the movie. Also Olga was great in it and Gemma should have been saved as Money Penny.

[@sunsetman22]

Spectre only exists because the producers suddenly decided to shoehorn Bond's classic villains late into Craig's tenure once they got the rights back to them. instead they should've capitalized on what they already had. Quantum could've been Craig's Spectre, and Mr. White could've been his arch enemy, as he's the guy behind Vesper's death.

[@VALENTINEproductions]

@@sunsetman22 Definitely

[@purefoldnz3070]

Spectre is so dull and Craig is clearly hating every second of it.

[@michaelachulze]

QoS is actually the second best of Craigs Bond movies. The editing never bothered me and even though it has it's flaws and suffered from the writers strike, it's a solid movie with an interesting take on the character and some of the tropes. Spectre on the other hand is lacklustre, doubles down on all the flaws of skyfall, completely falls apart in the third act and the Brofeld retconning is ridiculous. The only notable thing about it is the first half of the pre-title sequence.

[@michaelachulze]

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[@Zombiesnyder13]

I love when a sequel is made by a different director It's a new vision and a new approach. It gives each installment an identity of It's own That's why Sam Mendes should've left the franchise after SKYFALL. Because he gave everything he had, and couldn't outdo himself with SPECTRE

[@joebro391]

Idk about that, it didn't work out for the Harry Potter franchise. After Chamber of Secrets, Chris Columbus left, and it was all down-hill from there...

[@treadstone1970]

QoS looks and feels like a movie directed by the second unit, which is notable as it was by Dan Bradley who had done the second unit direction for the Bourne movies.

[@wstine79]

I would say Spectre is the better of the lesser Daniel Craig Bond movies. Mainly for Q and Batista.

[@randallrutherford1384]

I truly love all 5 of Daniel Craig’s Bond movies!

[@spacemann1425]

Mainly for Ralph Fiennes as M.

[@gregmeyer9595]

Agreed, the villain I would have switched to Spectre, Dom just isn’t a “Bond” villain in most ways, he’s got many qualities that put him in the category in a unique way but just not Bond enough.

[@yudhabagaskara98]

Quantum is still clear even it rips off Bourne trilogy

[@LeonardoKlotz]

I don't think the quick cuts in Quantum of Solace were that bad When done right, each shot added a new element to the scene

[@MichaelLaing71]

The editing of Quantum of Solace was dreadful. Trying to inject pace into the action, but only managed to make the action sequences look messy.

[@Peer165]

​@@MichaelLaing71To be fair, messey was the point. Now was it overdone? Sure. Did it destroy the movie for me? Not at all.

[@spacemann1425]

The editing was so choppy the films scenes almost made no sense. Other than that and an underwhelming 2nd half(a flaw all Daniel Craig movies other than Skyfall and CR suffer from), the movies was alright. Interestingly the villain wasn't all that bad.

[@tylerjsmithers8385]

I prefer the frantic editing of Quantum to the boring action Spectre... seriously, most of the action (besides the train fight and the pretitles) is quite boring and uninspired

[@thebeardofpepe]

@@MichaelLaing71 You're clearly not paying attention.

[@damonappel]

QoS is superior to Spectre in every way. I don't think it's fair to downgrade it solely because of the quick-cuts. You can take QoS seriously (as they setup the Craig series with Casino Royale), and when watched back-to-back with its precursor, it's a fantastic experience. Spectre continues the joke/mess begun with the Home Alone ending of Skyfall. As mentioned in the "Vs" video, it's absolutely ridiculous that ALL of the prior villains were actually part of Spectre, and that Blofeld was Bond's stepbrother, who had some personal vendetta against him all along. Spectre also doesn't know how to end. It would've been a nice throwback to old Bond films if there was a little more weight to him blowing up the desert base, and he should've just hung out in the desert with her. Adding Bond showing mercy to Blofeld on a random bridge in London, with police standing by made it feel like a cheap episode of a weekly cop procedural. And, No Time to Die is a DREADFUL follow-up you couldn't pay me to watch again. I don't even consider that garbage a 'Bond movie'.

[@AarmOZ84]

Quantum of Solace's cuts were so fast that it becomes the shortest Bond film ever. Unfortunately when you come directly after the success of Casino Royale and the latter Skyfall really hits on all the right nights, you become the forgettable film.

[@spaceace4387]

That’s like what most films were doing around the time. Hollywood apparently thought we wanted our action sequences to be a bunch of quick cuts, shaky cam and punch sound effects which were apparently supposed to let us know that someone got hit. I never liked it.

[@Omar-wq9dz]

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

[@High_Key]

You guys are just knocking it out of the park with these latest videos. Love it!

[@Zombiesnyder13]

if they make another BLADE RUNNER They should bring Hoyte Van Hoytema

[@sunsetman22]

not a bad idea

[@jordibarguno]

I would say there were only 2 truly great Daniel Craig 007 Outings. 1. Casino Royal and 2. Skyfall. That is it.

[@nnmm4023]

Casino royale, Skyfall, No time to die .These are truly great and other 2 are not that bad

[@sunsetman22]

@@nnmm4023 I mean NTTD was a bit better than Spectre (not that hard tbh) but that's about it. aside from the callbacks to the greatest Bond film, aka On Her Majesty's Secret Service, there's not much else there imo. hearing Louis Armstrong's voice again made me shed a tear or two though.

[@spaceace4387]

Ummm, Stromberg didn’t want to flood the world, he wanted the world to annihilate each other with nuclear weapons then he would build an underwater city.

[@johnnycotton3217]

Personally iv rather watch quantum over spectre

[@codymayer6335]

writing on the wall is far better than the quantum of solace theme…

[@randallrutherford1384]

Most definitely

[@sunsetman22]

Radiohead's Spectre beats both, I still don't know how they discarded that song. the movie it's named after doesn't deserve it though

[@petebotGSD]

Please do Octopussy vs Never say Never again, ie the battle of bonds

[@asifkhan4822]

Not really a fan of either Bond Film as they both have equally weak points. But Quantum was the first direct Bond Sequel and ends on a better note than Spectre.

[@opa-age]

Specter looks like it's filmed through a piss filter. Quantum gets my vote.

[@julius-stark]

To be honest I didn't care for either of these Bond movies, though I'd give the edge to Spectre if only for the pre-credit sequence. Both are better than No Time To Die, which is by far one of the worst Bonds (you know why).

[@sunsetman22]

for me the only real negative about Quantum is the awful intro song, everything else is actually good and underrated imo. and yeah NTTD sucks, it was probably no easy task to follow Spectre and conclude Craig's saga at the same time.

[@Maulbert]

Still don't understand how The Writing's On the Wall won an Oscar, especially when Goldfinger, Live and Let Die, Nobody Does it Better, A View to a Kill, GoldenEye, and You Know My Name were never nominated. All superior songs.

[@greatwuta]

Quantum Of Solace is much better than Spectre

[@robvegas9354]

If there was an award for 'the absolute least exciting movie ever made' then Spectre would grab the trophy

[@spaceace4387]

See I think No Time To Die is worse than both of these.

[@randallrutherford1384]

Love No Time To Die!!!

[@spaceace4387]

@@randallrutherford1384 worst Bond movie ever

[@davidmylchreest3306]

I always liked the leaner, meaner storytelling of Quantum. If it hadn't been for the editing and shakycam scuppering the action scenes, it would have been my favourite of the Craig Bonds.

[@mxtw7910]

I felt Bautista vs Bond was a bad hand to hand match up in Spectre - especially when Craig was looking weaker than in his other films. Bautista just outweighs Craig by way too much - I’d guess 40-50kg difference. And Bautista is ripped and athletic at that size.

[@AceGuillenOfficial]

Quantum was far superior. One of the smoothest/best intro scenes. (Literally picking up right after casino royal). Spectre just kinda goes from scene to scene and each location shot is terrible (they look like travel advertisements) the tone isn't set. If they would have kept that momentum from casino to quantum to the next it wouldn't been amazing. They tried the excuse that they weren't trying to make a trilogy but yet they brought it all together anyway in a sloppy redundant way. Haha sorry I'm way too into this dispute. (During casino and quantum I had this fantasy that Mr White was the head of quantum and would be revealed after quantum of solace, only to find he had no real plan just watching the world burn)

[@dreamawake2670]

Spectre feels like a Bond movie, despite the silly brother connection.

[@tylerjsmithers8385]

While that is true, I always feel bored while watching Spectre

[@sunsetman22]

it's Austin Powers if it suddenly decided it wanted to be gritty

[@Makoto03]

I dislike both movies, mainly because of how dull they are. But i will say Quantum of Solace at least had an awesome videogame tie in that was better than the movie. The game had missions from Casino Royale in it too.

[@easternlights3155]

As iffy as Spectre was at times, at least I remember it, whereas Quantum might be the only Bond movie the very existence of which I keep forgetting.

[@007aus]

Spectre is a boring drag. At least Quantum is entertaining & doesn’t overstay its welcome. Highly recommend listening to the SpyHards podcast interview with Quantum’s DOP Roberto Schaefer. The one-take opening of Spectre whilst technical impressive, again is boring & just feels like Hoytema showing off, also Spectre’s gross yellow visual palette is just awful.

[@BetoElVago2588]

Not the best films but I do enjoy them! Great video as well!!

[@adamp2029]

I’ll take Quantum any day. Aside from the editing, which makes it difficult to tell what’s happening at times, I really enjoy it. Spectre has a terrible story and script that nothing could make up for.

[@sammonroe882]

I hated QOS when it came out, but it's really grown on me over the years. Spectre is a recut away from being... fine, passable...but they would have to put the radiohead song back in and get rid of any mention of Bond and bloefeld being foster brothers.

[@spaceace4387]

Despite Spectre’s very contrived ending, I think we can all agree that it redeemed the series by bringing the classic gunbarrel back to the beginning where it belongs.

[@sunsetman22]

the ending isn't the only contrived part of that movie

[@spaceace4387]

@@sunsetman22 fair enough but it’s still way better than Quantum of Solace and No Time To Die

[@chrisperry7963]

To me, Spectre beats Quantum hands down. Quantum's harried editing really gets in the way of the story, IMHO. Spectre has a feeling of dread that sets a proper tone, and overall is much more competently made.

[@t.a6159]

Has that even been a rivalry between these two?

[@sunsetman22]

they're the two lowest rated Craig Bond films from his tenure

[@jakemooshian2995]

I agree quantum of solace is definitely better especially since it made one of the best bond games besides it also had the best vehicle chases too and out of all Craig’s bond films quantum is the only one where he fought the main villain by the way I was so surprised that it took place from where casino royale ended

[@robotb9-606]

The real film Quantum Of Solace should be Compared to is For Your Eyes Only.

[@travisspazz1624]

At least Quantum has some kinetic action and isn't dragged out to 2 1/2 hrs.

[@joebro391]

Bad cut at 0:49 :/ you forgot to add the A-roll back in...

[@jeanbalsec3310]

Growing up i started to think camille is one of the best bond girls in the franchise and a solide close second to vesper in the Craig era

[@charlespuruncajas9663]

Quantum was much more entertaining plus it had Olga Kurylenko as a kick ass Bond Girl. But while I enjoyed Spectre, it's still inferior and what they did to Blofeld has no name

[@chrisblanc663]

I don’t know if I’m one of the few people who thought quantum of solace was a decent bond film? I like the action, the story is passable. I tend to give it some extra leash considering the production issues it faced. It isn’t nearly as good as the masterpiece that is casino royal.

[@mrdth1987]

Spectre is easily better for one reason, Sam Mendes. Even though the story isn't great, it is well-directed something you can't say about Quantum of Solace

[@hasnasholawat]

Kereeewn

[@MrChenko83]

SPECTRE was entirely runied by the Bond brothers storyline. It even managed to ruin Skyfall by shoehorning it into the overall arch, rather than leaving it as a classic standalone. Terrible film.

[@markborishnikoff5485]

Draw for the theme songs? Writing's on the wall is much better.

[@tomhahnl1927]

I liked Spectre more, but that's just me 😉

[@bhchen3079]

TBH , Quantum plot was forgettable whereas the spectre plot introduced the main villain in bond mythos!

[@sunsetman22]

in name only

[@ryanh603]

Both films have their flaws, nowhere near the top ranked Craig entries. I always considered Quantum to be the lowest because quite frankly I found it boring in comparison to Casino Royale while Spectre was Skyfall’s and Sam Mendes’ shells of themselves respectively. But then again the whole Craig tenure came full circle as one saga spanning 15 years while all the previous Bond entries Connery to Brosnan were all standalone stories. Quantum came off as the weaker conclusion to the Vesper story while Spectre tied all 3 previous entries together and extended with NTTD, leaving both Quantum and Spectre in different lights since then. Quantum not only felt too pretentious but also too economically watered down with a plot about a country’s water supply and the over use of Ford vehicles especially the villain getting around in a Ford Edge. Here’s my ranking of all 5 entries: 1. Skyfall 2. Casino Royale 3. No Time to Die 4. Spectre 5. Quantum of Solace

[@treadstone1970]

Skyfall is contrived. Casino Royale stay true to the spirit of the novel.

Team Spectre.

[@hashtagfilm]

I've always had a soft spot for Solace. Yeah it's flawed, but it's just a really raw and gritty film. Bond is relentless in that movie. And it was short and sweet. Would have enjoyed more, but I like the swift pacing. I really enjoy the Opera scene. It's actually beautifully done. Spectre I just got genuinely bored with at times. It's technically a better film of course, but I get more entertainment from Solace.

[@TimeisReel]

Do more lesser films versus...

[@dereklewis4321]

Specter is hands down the worst Bond film ever made.

[@sunsetman22]

calling it a "film" at all is generous

[@theforcer1762]

I always think i have a false memory of how bad the editing is in Quantum. Until i watch. Worst editing in a movie ever

[@wardbjerregaard5155]

Nothing bits Skyfall

[@christhornycroft3686]

Daniel Craig suffered from some really bad scripts. I don't even think Skyfall is as good as everyone says it is. Casino Royale is one of the best of the entire series and reminiscent of The Living Daylights for me. It understood how to establish a character and the proper tone for a James Bond movie. Skyfall is a good film, but I don't consider it great. Quantum was basically the culmination of everything that has happened to Bond films since 1997. Martin Campbell knew how to handle a modern action movie without it becoming ADHD cinema. Nobody else seems to know what they're doing. Goldeneye wasn't a great script, and Pierce Brosnan is Remington Steele, not James Bond, but Campbell did a great job of minimizing Brosnan's flaws and making him passable in the role. If you want to see a less obvious film that uses seizure inducing filmmaking techniques, watch Tomorrow Never Dies. Everything is going way too fast. I wasn't a huge fan of Roger Moore, but I definitely miss the days of Roger and even Timothy just hanging out and having a moment of leisure or check in with an ally. But there's no time for that in modern action movies. They have to get on to the next thing. Even the love scenes feel rushed now. Everything's a quickie. After Casino, the Craig films never found the right pacing or tone. NTTD was just the pinnacle of that. It was going at a mile a minute, didn't make a lot of sense, and wanted to go really dark while being incredibly cartoony at the same time. It's the most bipolar Bond film since License To Kill.

[@Peer165]

Brosnan was brilliant as Bond, passable isn't I would ever use to describe him.

[@amigos2841]

I prefer Quantum Of Solace, I found Spectre boring

[@nealsterling8151]

I'd suggest you scream a bit more...

[@eternalextrapolations]

Glass Onion a movie that sort of goes somewhere in what seems like is going to be a meta-deconstruction of itself and the entire murder-mystery genre, until the obviously unoriginal hack writers got bored with the cerebral aspect of problem solving and decided to have stronk blink wah mon smash the place up and burn it to the ground. Ta-daaaah! "Problem solved" as only the millenial ess jay double ewww writers are evidently capable of. Proof as always that they destroy everything they touch. Oh, and his Colonel KFC accent is stoopid, unbelievable, and grating.

[@spaceace4387]

And Dominic Greene is by far the worst Bond villain.

[@nemoexnihilus2620]

I do prefer Quantum anytime instead of the awfuls Spectre or No Time To Watch That Bloody Piece Of Garbage Never Again.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

Quantum clearly is the worst.

[@acespectre5461]

Spectre is the worst

[@sunsetman22]

it and NTTD are some of the dullest Bonds ever put to film

[@johnbuckleyjnr32]

Spectre was so boring

[@sunsetman22]

not only is it boring, it doesn't even have a plot!

[@carmendiaz581Maywood]

👀

[@rodneycooperjr3223]

I didn't really care for any of the Daniel Craig Bond movies. They just weren't fun.

[@dagonlordofthedeep7638]

I still prefer Spectre to Quantum of Solace. It's more fun in my opinion. Does the end make much sense? No, but neither does Quantum of Solace. Quantum of Solace is a joyless hodgepodge of conflicting political messages, where Spectre feels like your typical mid-tier Bond Flick.

[@homelessjesse9453]

Worst Bond ever. Daniel Craig is so boring.

[@unknowncustomizer4276]

Spectres ending and the fact Bond gets the shit beat out of him by Batista and he doesn't have a scratch on him. It needed to follow the grittiness of the other Bond films .

[@Lance37a]

Spectre is terrible. Points off for Olga in Quantum being bronzed.

[@travisphuong9871]

I wouldn't say Quantum of Solace is the better movie, that movie is garbage.