Quartz clock pendulum movement teardown with schematic.

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@CTCTraining1
@CTCTraining1 5 жыл бұрын
So pleased you were not washed away with our latest storms!
@JOHN-wy2iv
@JOHN-wy2iv 5 жыл бұрын
I echo that sentiment and that I feel for the people who were affected.
@dh2032
@dh2032 5 жыл бұрын
me also
@Miata822
@Miata822 5 жыл бұрын
I love simple analog circuits that get the most from the least. not everything needs a microcontroller.
@SlyPearTree
@SlyPearTree 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure if it really gets the most from the least, I had a planet pendulum thing back in the 70s that used one magnet, one coil and one transistor (+ resistors, capacitors). I might remember it wrong though and I regret that I did not try to reverse engineer it even if I had not even heard of that concept back then.
@Miata822
@Miata822 5 жыл бұрын
@@SlyPearTree You know, I remember seeing one of those. years ago, had forgotten all about it. Was just like an NPN, diode, magnet, and an AAA.Remember puzzling over how it worked. Maybe magnet induced current hit the base on the NPN dumping current in the coil to pull the magnet back? I honestly don't remember, not sure I sorted it back then. Clive, if you're watching, have you seen this? Would have been something from the late '60s or maybe '70s. Would be fun to build a minimalistic joule thief-ish pendulum. Thanks, Sly. The old memory isn't what it used to be... but then, what is?
@MiniLuv-1984
@MiniLuv-1984 5 жыл бұрын
you'll love the mechanical pendulum then... those you had to raise the weights, or clockwork wind the spring mechanism to give it back the energy lost to friction? Vcc=0V
@Miata822
@Miata822 5 жыл бұрын
@@MiniLuv-1984 I have one, a big grandfather clock. It's wonderful.
@MiniLuv-1984
@MiniLuv-1984 5 жыл бұрын
@@Miata822 Is it clockwork driven or weights Bill? My aunty had a weight driven unit, complete with silly bird that jumped out every hour on the hour. She even allowed me to raise the weights when they got low.
@XSpImmaLion
@XSpImmaLion 5 жыл бұрын
Clock making bullshit. xD Most accurate eBay product description I've ever seen. xD
@roidroid
@roidroid 5 жыл бұрын
lol yea i did not expect to be laughing this early in the morning. Clive pls i'm trying to drink coffee
@ravneiv
@ravneiv 5 жыл бұрын
Reminds me I still have some of the old alarm kits he did a build of a while back
@roidroid
@roidroid 5 жыл бұрын
Chinese mass-sellers tend to have seemingly random character combinations at the end of a title, perhaps as a way to internally track their titles & tell them apart from "other sellers" who will tend to all use the exact same title. (i'm not convinced there isn't just 1 mega-company with hundreds of sock-puppet outlets)
@slm60uk
@slm60uk 5 жыл бұрын
@@roidroid I buy about 30-40 items a month from China thanks to the likes of Clive and other KZbin videos, and you're not far wrong with your last statement. I've been keeping a record of all the Chinese sellers and their PayPal accounts for the last few months, and you can see how so many of the sellers are interconnected. Here is my list created in just the last few months: pastebin.com/7NwnhW1y
@Eremon1
@Eremon1 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think I could like a seller description as much as I do this one! No beating around the bush there. lol
@billzaffos621
@billzaffos621 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your video and deep interest in the circuit. My brother-in-law had a 30 inch statue that has a clock set as a pendulum that wobbles (gently swings) on her raised arm. For 10 years, it hasn’t because the circuit went out. I’ve looked for replacement coils and circuits to no avail. Then, I saw your video and the circuit you were evaluating is very near to the one in this wobble circuit. I bought one and replaced the circuits and now the wobble clock works. Thanks again.
@noelaruldas1152
@noelaruldas1152 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the video is really helpful! This video proves that quartz pendulum moment can be repaired if the pendulum in the clock is not functioning but the clock keeps time normally.
@PracticalCat
@PracticalCat 5 жыл бұрын
So true about electronic organs using flip flops as frequency dividers in the divider circuits. I have a Farfisa fast 5 that uses inductor based high frequency oscillators (12 total) and a ton of flip flops to divide the octaves. I also have a vip 500 that uses flip flops like this one as the master oscillators insted of the inductor based osc, but IC's instead of flip flops for the dividers. I am also currently working on making myself a string synth but I will be using CD4024 ripple counters as dividers.
@BRUXXUS
@BRUXXUS 5 жыл бұрын
That part was fascinating to me! So with these organs does only the master oscillator need to be precisely tuned to a fundamental and with the feedback and locking harmonics the other frequencies fall into place? I've never heard of this, but I think it's super interesting!
@PracticalCat
@PracticalCat 5 жыл бұрын
BRUXXUS Yes! The "master" high frequency oscillators are tuned with potentiometers or tunable inductors. They are tuned to the highest 12 chromatic notes of a piano (the 12 chromatic notes on the far right) All the other octaves are derived from these "top octave" frequencies by cascading the flip-flops. Think of a flip-flop toggling back and forth and only picture one of the led's flashing. This is half of the total frequency that the flip-flop is toggling at. Now if you drive another flip-flop from the single output of the previous one your new flip-flop will be toggling at half the frequency of the previous. Think of train level crossing signals with one of the lights burned out. The single light flashing is half the frequency or "beat" than the two combined. And yes, if you alter the pitch/tuning of the master oscillators the frequency of the cascaded divided outputs will sync. Some newer designs from the 70's and 80's used a single master oscillator and had a dedicated chip to obtain the top 12 chromatic frequencies. The scheme is called top octave synthesis or devide down synthesis. The technology goes way back. Hope I explained clearly enough:)
@sparkyprojects
@sparkyprojects 5 жыл бұрын
My guess is that when the first magnet passes, it triggers the coil to give the othr magnet a push or pull, this would happen the same in each direction, that would explain the 2 magnets polarities I also think the circuit acts like astable with a bit of bistable (the latter being triggered), the astable would have the middle resistors connected to +
@glasstronic
@glasstronic 5 жыл бұрын
Your guess is spot on.
@lmamakos
@lmamakos 5 жыл бұрын
It's the length of the pendulum shaft and weight that's doing the timekeeping, while this module just nudges it while it goes past so it doesn't "wind down". Really accurate clocks will have pendulum shafts with a very low thermal coefficient of expansion so the clock keeps the same speed as the temperature varies.
@JDfromWitness
@JDfromWitness 5 жыл бұрын
Seems to be missing something.... Oh yea, "Quartz"! Funny, those selling terms...
@rickharriss
@rickharriss 5 жыл бұрын
It an add on for the quartz clock movement.
@linagee
@linagee 5 жыл бұрын
It's not about what's actually inside. It's about what people actually think is inside. True Bullshit!
@StarkRG
@StarkRG 5 жыл бұрын
Last week I was looking for cheap oscillating fans, and pretty much every result for "oscillating fan" under $15 didn't actually oscillate. I even went so far as to message several of the sellers to ask if it was, in fact, an oscillating fan as advertised, most simply replied "read the description" to which I said "Since the title says it's an oscillating fan, if I order it and it isn't what was described you'll give me a refund, right?" and then I got a reply saying that it wasn't an oscillating fan. Ebay has become a horrible mess over the last decade and doesn't seem to care.
@misterhat5823
@misterhat5823 5 жыл бұрын
Quartz does imply crystal controlled and this has none.
@misterhat5823
@misterhat5823 5 жыл бұрын
@@StarkRG ePay is a scammers playground.
@williamthompson5988
@williamthompson5988 5 жыл бұрын
I think the two magnets are so it can self-start. Repel one and attract the other. If it had only one magnet it couldn't self-start
@jeanhoward6907
@jeanhoward6907 2 жыл бұрын
My dad was trying to change the time on the seiko westminister whittington wall clock and the magnet fell out. I only see one magnet and im not sure where it goes...help?
@TechsScience
@TechsScience Жыл бұрын
2 wires of my oscillator circuit has broken & I wasn't sure where to place the this video really helped me
@michaelhyde9971
@michaelhyde9971 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Clive I was just repeating the same thing last night. Thanks for reverse engineering as my one had a black blob over a chip on bord. Keep up the good work.
@Hagledesperado
@Hagledesperado 5 жыл бұрын
I think the purpose of the two opposite magnets is to shape the magnetic flux above the magnets horizontally (and make its polarity uniform in that plane), so that everytime the magnetic field swings through the coil, the multivibrator makes a flip that corresponds to the current direction of the pendulum.
5 жыл бұрын
I seen the "BS" appended to many listings, always wondered what it means, now i know.
@alexanderthomas2660
@alexanderthomas2660 5 жыл бұрын
First rule of abbreviations: ‘BS’ always means bullshit, no matter what the context. Second rule: ‘POS’ always means ‘piece of shit’. Example: “I have a POS terminal in my store.”
@jjab99
@jjab99 5 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Clive. Keep your head above the floods and stock up on Dark and Stormy!!! Have Fun, Joe
@GeorgeJFW
@GeorgeJFW 5 жыл бұрын
I love these little electro mechanical circuits. I would love to see more of these😙
@larrymargaretsmith
@larrymargaretsmith 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks to you, I ordered the Tekken 8828W to try to replace the circuit board that gave up in my favorite Quartz Clock. It is about the same size. I may have to glue it in. The clock has a very rich sound, like a grandfather clock, The only thing that doesn't work is the pendulum.
@Lucien86
@Lucien86 5 жыл бұрын
It needs the two magnets to be self starting. Also opposite poles together helps prolong the life of the magnetic circuit.. (just like on electric motors) Hate to say it but love to see Big Clive struggling with multi-vibrators a little - struggled with them myself for some time in electronics class..
@gustavgnoettgen
@gustavgnoettgen 4 жыл бұрын
I bought a defective Kit-Kat clock and now I can finally check it. Thanks!
@HupenHeinz
@HupenHeinz 5 жыл бұрын
I imagine the chinese "lucky cats" are also using the same mechanism. Might make sense to look at one of those too.
@PhilXavierSierraJones
@PhilXavierSierraJones 5 жыл бұрын
They use the solar dancing figure circuits -- works similarly but for a very light load. They have a single circuit board and a single chip, and a lower profile coil. They're pretty good for hacking too, if you don't mind the hair-thin copper wires!
@-Tris-
@-Tris- 5 жыл бұрын
I really like this thing. Now I want to build a standing clock.
@petehiggins33
@petehiggins33 Жыл бұрын
There’s a subtle difference between this circuit and the standard cross coupled multivibrator. In the standard circuit there is always one transistor fully ON and one transistor OFF. The ON transistor is held in the saturated state by the resistor from the positive supply to its base. The OFF transistor does the timing, its base is negative and is charging up towards the positive rail. When the base voltage reaches +0.7V the circuit flips. In the modified circuit one transistor is OFF and the other one is not saturated but is held in a linear mode with perhaps a volt or two on its collector. This is because its base is fed by a resistor from its collector. This is negative feedback which keeps the transistor in the linear mode and operating with high gain. The result of this is that a small voltage induced in the coil on the opposite side by the magnets can easily inject a current into the ON transistor’s base and cause the circuit to flip. This is how the circuit synchronises itself to the pendulum. This also makes it self starting because the magnets normally rest next to the coil and the slightest movement will induce a voltage which can flip the circuit and start it oscillating. I don’t know what the extra capacitor is for.
@MrFlint51
@MrFlint51 5 жыл бұрын
Transistor organs had a set of 12 astable multis to generate the top octave at 4 foot pitch; each note then had a set of 6 bistables (flip-flops) to repeatedly divide the frequency of the pulses by two to generate all the lower octaves and the 8' and 16' pitches. An organ with a 61 note (5 octave) keyboard, like my old Farfisa Compact, had one more astable to provide the bottom C. I still have a workshop repair sheet with the full circuit.
@psygn0sis
@psygn0sis 5 жыл бұрын
KZbin closed captions somehow neglected to print out "bullshit"..... weird. (hehe)
@roygrafton6322
@roygrafton6322 5 жыл бұрын
eeevblog did video on this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHnZnHiGgZygjKM
@jondough76
@jondough76 5 жыл бұрын
I would guess the two magnets are to keep it from just rocking to one side. When the coil is in one polarity, it is attracting one magnet and repelling the other. Once it flips polarity, it is forced into the opposite direction.
@Dragon-Slay3r
@Dragon-Slay3r Жыл бұрын
The anchor pendulum is skinny the pendulum is a curved blade which I pointed out a few days ago on how the curve blade looks
@BrianB2579
@BrianB2579 5 жыл бұрын
.......It looks like the old Flip Flop cct.......this circuit is the first circuit that we built back in the day when I was a student.... to flash two led's to learn Logic
@paulvale2985
@paulvale2985 5 жыл бұрын
Me too Brian :)
@TheSkipinatorVids
@TheSkipinatorVids 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, looking at pictures of parts of the Isle of Man washing away. Hope you and yours are safe! Cheers from San Diego!
@johnmorgan1629
@johnmorgan1629 5 жыл бұрын
Nice little thingamajig there Clive. Hope you, Ralphy, the rest of the beard club, as well as friends etc. avoided any damage or excessive water levels, during the storms.
@eddiespencer1
@eddiespencer1 5 жыл бұрын
The swapping polarity provides the self-starting aspect and keeps the pendulum movement stable. The opposing magnets at the pendulum base provide weight for the pendulum and there are other magnets of repelling polarity near the extreme end of the swing to arrest the pendulum and help push it from one side toward the other. That's my guess, anyway.
@realnutteruk1
@realnutteruk1 5 жыл бұрын
It's properly known as a knife edge bearing... quite common in clocks and balances....
@millomweb
@millomweb 5 жыл бұрын
"quite common" !!! Pretty much all balances - but not so much clocks. Clocks tend to use a bit of thin spring steel which bends - so there's no mechanical bearing.
@johnfrancisdoe1563
@johnfrancisdoe1563 5 жыл бұрын
pmailkeey Bendy springs are only used in clocks that use the spring for timing instead of a gravity pendulum.
@raykent3211
@raykent3211 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnfrancisdoe1563 nope. A pendulum can be hung from a normal bearing, or a knife edge, or a short strip of flexible material, eg leather or thin spring steel. All have been done. One use of flexible strip is to get the pendulum to follow a non-circular arc (elliptical maybe?) Which gives independence of timing from excursion.
@millomweb
@millomweb 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnfrancisdoe1563 Isn't it amazing how totally clueless people like you appear to be an expert. Smiths, a world-famous? instrument maker (including clocks) used them - and I have one such clock only 2 feet away from me as I type. On top of that, you're technically wrong too - springs are not used for timing.
@millomweb
@millomweb 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnfrancisdoe1563 To name a famous clock that uses a bit of spring steel - the clock in Big Ben / Elizabeth Tower (- for the pedants)
@petehiggins33
@petehiggins33 5 жыл бұрын
The basic cross-coupled astable has a flaw in that it is perfectly symmetrical which may prevent it from starting when the power is applied. This would happen if the two transistors were well matched and tried to turn on simultaneously. So the 0.47uF capacitor is added to slow down the left transistor allowing the right one to turn on first and then force the left one off. This starts the oscillatiion.
@Roy_Tellason
@Roy_Tellason Жыл бұрын
I have *never* run across a problem with one of these circuits failing to start for that reason. Not only would the transistors have to be pretty precisely matched, but so would the capacitors and the resistors.
@americanrebel413
@americanrebel413 5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video, thank you Big Clive!
@Rcmodelgeeks
@Rcmodelgeeks 5 жыл бұрын
I recognised the circuit thanks to my ladybird book of Learnabout - Simple Electronics. The first circuit i learnt when i was a nipper!
@TuttleScott
@TuttleScott 5 жыл бұрын
radio shack 150 in 1 here.
@SlyPearTree
@SlyPearTree 5 жыл бұрын
@@TuttleScott Same but 75 in 1.
@Jimmeh_B
@Jimmeh_B 5 жыл бұрын
Same! Except it was "Dick Smith - Fun Way Into Electronics Vol 1" I built SOOOOOO many of em, model railway crossings, little skulls with flashing eyes.... Sad that through hole is pretty much over. Makes the barrier to entry much larger for kids these days. goughlui.com/2014/11/09/tech-flashback-dick-smiths-fun-way-into-electronics-vol-1/ Also, remember the days when a kid's education book could have a can of XXXX on the front cover and no one batted an eyelid? Imagine the REEEEEEE these days!
@juliannicholls
@juliannicholls 5 жыл бұрын
@@Jimmeh_B A beer powered radio. Is there anything more Australian? :-)
@Jimmeh_B
@Jimmeh_B 5 жыл бұрын
@@juliannicholls probably only a beer powered beer fridge lol. I suppose that's an Esky.
@G1ZQCArtwork
@G1ZQCArtwork 5 жыл бұрын
I suspect when the magnets pass the coil, they will induce a wobble effect of slight opposites in DC polarity in the coil. When the tiny affect occurs, the back EMF will give it a boost. Or maybe I need some dark and stormy too.?
@AubreyKeck
@AubreyKeck 5 жыл бұрын
Several years ago I bought a Cuckoo clock in Passau Germany. The movements were different than yours only in that it also had a chime/music circuit and a little bird that kept peeking its head out. Still working after all of these years.
@PhilXavierSierraJones
@PhilXavierSierraJones 5 жыл бұрын
I have that clock, but I had to gut it. Unfortunately during storage the little pole the bird is perching on snapped off, but the other things still work.
@SlyPearTree
@SlyPearTree 5 жыл бұрын
I wish there was an affordable book about the history of the invention of the basic electronic circuits. I'd also love one about the evolution of radio circuits. I think the market is probably too limited, at least for what I want i.e. books for technicians, engineers and hobbyists.
@johnpossum556
@johnpossum556 5 жыл бұрын
I'd think you could google most of that up these days. I know there were history books about radio circuits because I am pretty sure I have one. But it's probably deep in storage about now. A lot of times it is about getting the right terms. I saw concert footage of Keith Emerson (of Emerson, Lake, and Palmer) using a unique electronic device I had never seen before. It looks like he used it to to strum his guitar in such a way that it sounded more like a smooth violin. You can see it at 1:27 in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3uXg4Ntf8-khqs But I couldn't find the device because I did not know a name for it.
@gotnoshoes99
@gotnoshoes99 3 жыл бұрын
It's possible the .047 capacitor is creating a delay allowing the magnet to swing just slightly past the coil before energizing to prevent the coil from pushing the pendulum backwards, and the resistors across the collector base junction could be providing a bias voltage because the induced voltage/current in the coil is not enough to switch on the transistor.
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 5 жыл бұрын
The small capacitor is likely to make the thing start when the battery is connected. It makes for a small imbalance so one side turns on.
@mikehibbett3301
@mikehibbett3301 2 жыл бұрын
I love the image of a circuit with transistors with a line at the bottom that looks like "copyright two fellows, 1019", 25 years before the transistor was invented. I'm going to print that on a tee shirt :)
@jvleugels
@jvleugels 5 жыл бұрын
Two magnets in reverse of each other so that the generated current pulse is as big as possible? (bigger change in magnetic field = bigger current generated in the coil).
@yesyes_uk
@yesyes_uk 5 жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking. Fast polarity reversal induces a current in the coils.
@johnfrancisdoe1563
@johnfrancisdoe1563 5 жыл бұрын
jochen vleugels Yep, it acts like an old school U-shaped magnet.
@girlsdrinkfeck
@girlsdrinkfeck 5 жыл бұрын
i thought it was just for efficiency
@dougbrowning82
@dougbrowning82 5 жыл бұрын
An analog electronic organ uses 12 multivibrators, one for each note of the chromatic scale. The octaves are done using frequency divider flip-flops, one per octave per note.
@kerrydowney4960
@kerrydowney4960 5 жыл бұрын
Good to hear. All safe and sound then excellent!
@owengreene7659
@owengreene7659 5 жыл бұрын
Many years ago In my Avionics technical school for the USAF we built a-stable oscillators AKA flip flop for soldering practice. It would be real interesting to probe around this variant with a scope to figure out how the feedback worked with that two magnet arrangement. Does it change frequency dependent on the weight or length of the pendulum?
@gazzaka
@gazzaka 5 жыл бұрын
They are almost magic, up on a par with bread and beer. Also check out the "Solar Powered 360 Degree Rotating Display Stand Turntable", can be had for a good price
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 5 жыл бұрын
I've got a few of those. They use the same motor as the lighthouse ornament I reverse engineered.
@seandoofer5720
@seandoofer5720 5 жыл бұрын
Hope you & your place survived the weather, its not been so bad here in the north west mainland.
@matthewellisor5835
@matthewellisor5835 5 жыл бұрын
T = 2π * √ (L/g) , even if using UF cable.
@zackstewart4109
@zackstewart4109 5 жыл бұрын
At my parents' video store in the '90s we used to get those elaborate cardboard standees from the studios. This was a popular mechanism. Well, not this complex.
@mirogula
@mirogula 5 жыл бұрын
That was my first complex circuit that I studied and built, when I was at elementary school and I started to learn electronics.
@tonybossaller4074
@tonybossaller4074 5 жыл бұрын
My guess would be that the odd capacitor is the "kickstart" function, as it would cause a drag in one direction, thus the magnets would have a field that was slightly off the entire time. And that would explain the two magnets so that regardless of "leveling" of the entire device, it would still be influenced to begin starting. I suspect if you hung it and could turn the power on in place, it would not need to be tapped to start. But very cool. But how is it Quartz? Or is that just a misleading title from ebay?
@JJayzX
@JJayzX 5 жыл бұрын
The 2 magnets are part of the kickstart. That way no matter the polarity there will still be an induced motion.
@johnfrancisdoe1563
@johnfrancisdoe1563 5 жыл бұрын
JJayzX The 2 magnets act like a single sideways magnet, only stronger. It will pulse the coil on both passes. The extra capacitor AC couples the induced pulse to the left transistor. Inducing a positive pulse on the left winding first triggers the right transistor, which pulls down the (already negative) right coil, discharging the left cap and charging the right one. Once the right cap is charged, it lowers the right base so low, the right transistor turns off causing the right coil to force its stored current into the left cap, turning on the left transistor, which pulls the left coil negative (already was from the induced voltage), discharging the right cap through the 220K (so RC=10s). If there's no external pulse (pendulum locked), the small capacitor slightly debalances the multivibrator to get it started more easily. Now because the coil inductance enhances the pulses in the circuit, I suspect it can run from an almost flat battery.
@kirkfranks1
@kirkfranks1 5 жыл бұрын
I believe the quartz is description of the type of clock mechanism this is to be paired with. Since a quartz clock movement will not drive a pendulum when building a clock and you want the old time look of mechanical movement then you need this pendulum movement to go with it.
@jkbrown5496
@jkbrown5496 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that capacitor functioned like a run capacitor on a single phase induction motor causing a phase shift in the one winding so there was a small force induced.
@roidroid
@roidroid 5 жыл бұрын
id love to see this as a solar powered energy harvester, but with the pendulum operating a tiny ratchet mechanism to slowly lift a very heavy weight up a long rope or pole. Simple form of energy storage: Gravity.
@donaldasayers
@donaldasayers Жыл бұрын
I have a similar unit (ten actually. eBay you know.) that only uses one magnet. I use the electrical guts to drive a little clock I made, the pendulum is the actual timekeeper, it's a 1/2 sec pendulum (1 Hz).
@philipvanderwaal6817
@philipvanderwaal6817 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Clive ,I have a question . Would it be possible to build a pendulum clock with the drive in the lower bit from the pendulum??? So that the pendulum hangs on a string and the driver in the lower part . Kind regards Philip
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 2 жыл бұрын
It usually requires a fairly rigid pendulum rod, but it could work.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 5 жыл бұрын
Annoying solar ornaments? :( I like my solar ornaments. You've hurt their feelings! Interesting circuit. I presume that the coils give the pendulum a little kick on each pass. Does it follow the laws of pendulum periods? I presume it must.
@haroldsmith45302
@haroldsmith45302 5 жыл бұрын
Hmmm ... the reversed-parallel magnets seem to correspond with the reversed-parallel (or reversed-coaxial) solenoid coils, as evidenced by the reversed coil-polarity dots in the schematic.
@tamtgirl
@tamtgirl 5 жыл бұрын
OH! also i was going to send you a 2010 vintage ICD (implantable defibrillator) to take to bits, but my neighbor accidentally turned it back on and now it beeps every hour to tell me i'm dead 🤣
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 5 жыл бұрын
Good video clive
@yutub561
@yutub561 5 жыл бұрын
We made a circuit very similar to this in my Control System Design class in college except on a "teeter-totter", and ours used photoresistors with LED's on the end of the teeter totter which triggered the coil to push back the other way. The result was a teeter totter that you could control the settling time using a potentiometer to fine tune, or using different combinations of resistors for large tuning. Ours never worked right so the teeter totter just went unstable and flapped around like a solar trinket. I'm a mechanical engineer not electrical so I never figured out how to fix it
@Alacritous
@Alacritous 5 жыл бұрын
Who downvotes this kind of video? If you don't like Clive why are you watching his videos?
@johnpossum556
@johnpossum556 5 жыл бұрын
There will always be h8ters. They don't realize the joke is on them, though, because YT counts those negative votes towards overall popularity anyhow. Mikes tool shed did a video on this where he asked his audience to vote neg or pos so the end result would be a 1:1 ratio and that is what happened.
@BoB4jjjjs
@BoB4jjjjs 5 жыл бұрын
It's a real swinger!
@AvixkThePig
@AvixkThePig 5 жыл бұрын
As an owner of a cat clock, I can say that the electronics inside are a lot more angry than a quartz clock. Mine uses a 120v motor and forces all the chunky components around. Things were a lot different before my time.
@chrischeltenham
@chrischeltenham 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Clive, I hope you and all of the MBC are safe. I saw the news things are rather damp in the IOM and the footage I saw was bad. Stay safe everyone :-)
@simonmitchell34
@simonmitchell34 2 жыл бұрын
Only just stumbled across this teardown and very interesting it is too. I'm thinking that the astable oscillates at it's natural frequency to start the pendulum moving and then the motion of the magnets is inducing a back emf in the coils which triggers the astable and synchronises the pulses to the pendulum. The frequency must be synchronised to the pendulums natural oscillation because it would not have the power to force an unnatural speed.
@kenmore01
@kenmore01 Жыл бұрын
Yes, the coils sense the pendulum. Also, a problem with the basic stable multivibrator is that if perfectly balanced (unlikely but possible), it won't start. It needs an imbalance either with a resistor or a capacitor to start. Thus the extra capacitor. I never liked those. Too unpredictable. If they stop for any reason, they don't restart. They stay stopped until reset somehow.
@mickellis8747
@mickellis8747 5 жыл бұрын
The hands are looking better Clive.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 5 жыл бұрын
They're almost back to normal again.
@noakeswalker
@noakeswalker 5 жыл бұрын
More complicated than I was thinking - I was expecting a single transistor like a Kundo pendulum clock - I don't think they were self-starting though. I like the idea that the multivibrator freq. can be 'pulled' into phase with the pendulum. Lots of ideas about the dual magnets in the comments, but I don't think anyone actually knows - get a 'scope on it Big Clive, that might give us more info on what's actually going on...
@darylcheshire1618
@darylcheshire1618 Жыл бұрын
I recently got a clock that has no battery but runs on a wound up spring. It has a pendulum that is attached to an escarpment and prevents the clockwork to run down immediately.
@lostjohnny9000
@lostjohnny9000 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like the circuitry found in one of those SE Asian gold waving cats. A square wave can be synthesised from a sine wave by adding all the harmonics - 3rd harmonic at 1/3V, 5th at 1/5V 9th at 1/9V etc..
@TheSoundmanPete
@TheSoundmanPete 5 жыл бұрын
I was worried....... Thank God for the "dark and stormy"
@stuartmcconnachie
@stuartmcconnachie 5 жыл бұрын
6:52 The original circuit (as credited 1919) can’t have been with transistors, as transistors weren’t invented until 1947. The original circuit used vacuum tubes instead. Ah, you explained that had I continued watching - my apologies Clive. 😳
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 5 жыл бұрын
The earliest version I came across in a clock used a contact strip to bump the coil on each pass in one direction.
@tamtgirl
@tamtgirl 5 жыл бұрын
i would imagine that they didn't make it self starting, that's just what astable-multivibrators do. then once it gets moving the magnetic feed-back takes over to slow it down and make it regulated
@matthewbeddow3278
@matthewbeddow3278 5 жыл бұрын
A little silicone grease on the pivot point would help with wear
@scottgray6276
@scottgray6276 5 жыл бұрын
Yay! I have a vintage cat clock, that needs retro fitting!
@Roy_Tellason
@Roy_Tellason Жыл бұрын
I don't know why you didn't scope that circuit to really see what was going on. Never saw an astable with coils for a load like that. Talk about synchronized oscillators, I bought a generator for adjusting color tvs back in the early 1970s, which used unijunction transistor oscillators, each one working at a sub-multiple of the preceding stage. There were some trimpots you had to fiddle with to get a stable pattern, and it seemed to be somewhat temperature-sensitive. Organs used bistables for frequency division, having one master oscillator for each note in a top octave and then dividers for all of the lower notes. These were discrete in real early units, chips in later ones;
@jeremytravis360
@jeremytravis360 5 жыл бұрын
I will stick with my wind up pendulum clock thanks Clive. It would be nice to see an upgrade on the engineering of this clock. How about bronze bearings and a proper case. ?
@yes350yes
@yes350yes 5 жыл бұрын
Ive had the regulator wall clock for years . The pendulum has not worked for so long a period of time that I cant remember when It worked last. But for the last few weeks Ive been messing with it trying to get it adjusted so the pendulum would swing freely and nothing Ive done from moving it from moving from one place to another or adjust so the pendulum should not touch on either side and swing freely and nothing has worked until last evening. Actually I gave up on my efforts once again setting it on the wall once again so that the pendulum would swing from side to side fully . To my surprise the next morning it was still swinging and the next day which is today is still swinging. It also appears to be keeping perfect time with my other clocks. It is a cheap clock which has no adjust on the bottom of the pendulum as some clocks do. I doubt anything I did helped it.
@GothGuy885
@GothGuy885 2 ай бұрын
on the two magnets of opposite polarity: could it be that the circuit is switching polarity of the active coil winding, on each tick of the multi-vibrator? thus facilitating the horizontal swing of the pendulum🤔
@Kaxlon
@Kaxlon 5 жыл бұрын
How about doing a follow up with a oscilloscope to visualize the signals? =)
@haroldsmith45302
@haroldsmith45302 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, a multichannel recording oscilloscope so that we can see into the various circuit branches.
@kwacz
@kwacz 10 ай бұрын
I am trying to drive a seconds pendulum whos speed will take 2 seconds to swing back and forth. It will be heavy so I am wondering if I could buy one of these and take the circuit board out and use a neodymium magnet on the bottom of the pendulum and place the coil from this circuit just under the center point of the pendulum at its resting point. I wonder if this will work. I also wonder if I could get away with a single magnet or if I would need the 2 magnets as in the original setup?
@Jimmeh_B
@Jimmeh_B 5 жыл бұрын
So @Big Clive, do you have an oscilloscope? Would be really interesting to see the collector and base traces to see what's going on there. Also, why didn't you move the magnets across the coil to see the effect on the led's??? :) I'm thinking about ordering one next week, if I remember I'll video the scope and send it to ya.
@1kuhny
@1kuhny 5 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see the signals on an oscilloscope. It would atleast let you see what coil is firing and seeing if should be attracting or repelling.
@KeanM
@KeanM 5 жыл бұрын
If you were to run this off a solar panel, then the self starting feature would be especially useful.
@gregorythomas333
@gregorythomas333 5 жыл бұрын
The think reason they used 2 magnets...along with the extra capacitor...is for the self-starting feature. I assume they made it self-starting to combat any interference...wind or even earthquakes...that would mess it up.
@alanullmer8369
@alanullmer8369 5 жыл бұрын
Can we use a 555 ic timer to make this circuit.
@BRUXXUS
@BRUXXUS 5 жыл бұрын
Hmmm I was wondering that too. I'm curious if you could achieve a similar feedback harmonic frequency with one. This circuit is pretty elegant for what it does, though!
@s3rkanAGA
@s3rkanAGA 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir for this wonderful video. I have one of this circuits and want to use it on my wooden gear clock. I wonder if it is possible to make it more powerful by changing some circuit elements or input voltage?
@TrondBørgeKrokli
@TrondBørgeKrokli 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there are "erotica store" versions of that pendulum... 😆😂
@jamesharmer9293
@jamesharmer9293 5 жыл бұрын
Almost certainly using multivibrators...
@richcampoverde
@richcampoverde 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah there is it swings a feather across a womans pussy
@arenalife
@arenalife 5 жыл бұрын
"Let's take it to bits" FUCK YEAH
@aarronhirst9292
@aarronhirst9292 4 жыл бұрын
I have a small mantel clock with pendulum but the pendulum keeps stopping and starting on its own. Sometimes it looks like it's struggling then I look again and it's fine? Any ideas about what's happening... 😉
@Krisjenl
@Krisjenl 5 жыл бұрын
At 12:13 when Clive stops talking you hear a very faint buzz at the same moments as the right LED is lit. Does anyone else hear that?
@chilledoutpaul
@chilledoutpaul 5 жыл бұрын
hey clive even before you took it apart i said to my other half "it will probably be some kind of flip-flop "big brain"" lol, anyway clive you have a scope with multiple inputs! paul from london
@yesyes_uk
@yesyes_uk 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, put it on a scope. Or ask Dave to do it. :D
@chilledoutpaul
@chilledoutpaul 5 жыл бұрын
@@yesyes_uk what Dave Eevblog or 24hrVids or even Mike from mikes electrical stuff ;p
@markhodgson2348
@markhodgson2348 5 жыл бұрын
How big could you go 2N3055 transistor
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 5 жыл бұрын
A Foucault pendulum?
@soberhippie
@soberhippie 5 жыл бұрын
You can probably rotate the capacitors at the ends of your board, and there will be no need for those awkward bends of the track there.
@blg53
@blg53 5 жыл бұрын
The place where the little capacitor plugged in implies a negative feedback at high frequencies. I wonder if its purpose is to suppress higher harmonics and make the circuit more "single-resonant".
@rickharriss
@rickharriss 5 жыл бұрын
Are the 2 magnets arranged so it will self start? With 1 magnet it may pulse but never get enough impulse to get the magnet out of the range of the coils so it can start magnetic triggering. i have seen these that just sit and jump slightly unless you swing the pendulum.
@johnsalmons9222
@johnsalmons9222 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like the swing at the push start makes a harmonic?
@SidecarBob
@SidecarBob 5 жыл бұрын
Remember the good old days when a thong was a sandal and a flip flop was an electronic circuit?
@AttilaAsztalos
@AttilaAsztalos 5 жыл бұрын
...RS or JK? ;)
@FarleyHillBilly
@FarleyHillBilly 5 жыл бұрын
@@AttilaAsztalos RS was Radio Spares in my day. Now they call themselves RSUK, there is no way you can say that without it sounding like arse-suk
@JohnSmith-uy7sv
@JohnSmith-uy7sv 3 жыл бұрын
my wife's grandfather clock takes fits and the pendulum stops. New batteries and you have to keep playing with it. Why could possible be the problem? I would think it would work or it doesn't. Is the plastic wearing out? really great explanation of everything. I used to have tons of electronics parts and after rarely using them after 15 years or so, I finally threw them all away thinking I would never get into that again. Thanks.
@chrishartley1210
@chrishartley1210 5 жыл бұрын
The manufacturer obviously decided it would be a good device for Big Clive to dismantle, make it easy and get free advertising!
@a1fliema1fie
@a1fliema1fie 5 жыл бұрын
Would you consider scoping the cycles of the oscillator with zero, one and two magnets? Would love to see if 2 magnets conserve more energy.
@KoolBreeze420
@KoolBreeze420 5 жыл бұрын
So do the magnets on the stem line up with the coil?
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