Question, Coffee & Cars #51 // Will Hyundai let us review its cars ever again?

[@rhombus6]

one of the reasons why i love motormouth reviews is because you're honest with us. it makes your reviews feel authentic and builds a sense of trust that i really appreciate.

[@andreaspencer9813]

We appreciate your kind words, thank you!

[@gurdeep014]

Thank you for asking the right questions about the electric vehicle battery replacement costs. You are not like other reviewers just going with the trend. Keep up the good work.

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you!

[@theschrom]

“I’m not based in ideology, I’m based in reality.” Well said Zack.

[@guyreviewer105]

Exactly!!! Exactly!!! Exactly!!! Zack made two statements that I repeat almost daily for the last three decades! Except I say, "I am based in reality, not in theory" (you can guess where I work). I also say, "I don't make accusations, I only ask questions". Having said that, even living in a western democracy, asking the wrong questions can sometimes land you in heap of organic waste. Best of luck Zack and Andrea!!! Happy new year!!!

[@reader-7175]

Right, best of luck. They might need it.@@guyreviewer105

[@VC30577]

Zach is absolutely correct. Even at $30 000, that’s an absurdly high cost for a battery. Who can stomach that? So many issues with this 2035 EV target. Can’t wait for this law to be tossed out. So many issues including: - High replacement costs - EVs not environmentally friendly at all - high costs of EVs - lack of charging infrastructure All the power to the Motormouth channel for bringing these questions and concerns into the dialogue!

[@andreaspencer9813]

I think even with a battery replacement cost of $30,000 CAD plus parts and labour, the new EV will still be written off.

[@richardmichael59]

Humans don’t like being told what to do by government mandates. New government please.

[@G-Dubs488]

As a several-year-long follower, I cannot help letting you know my respect for your couple! I am sure you have more and more followers like me in the coming year!

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you so much! Happy New Year!

[@Motormouth...]

Wow, thank you!

[@danielpecaro777]

Nothing is more green than keeping my current and loved 2019 X3.

[@ritama2013]

As consumers, we have the right to critique (within reason) the products and services received. Any company that “punishes” us for doing so is not worth dealing with. Hyundai should be GLAD to listen & address our concerns! Motormouth is asking all the right questions for the EV industry! As a current fuel driver, I will not change to an EV/Hybrid vehicle until these issues are resolved in the best possible way.

[@MadMatty72]

Loved the "disposable" comment as that's the concern of all of us that think about every dollar being spent and is the root of the EV low sales issue IMO. Car batteries clearly need to be designed to be repairable, i.e. made up of many small bits so if one fails, it can be replaced at relatively low cost - just like replacing a water pump on an IC Engine

[@thepkism]

Zac is SO right when it comes to battery electric. I have a huge issue with the disposable nature of these vehicles. How the heck is that environmentally friendly? It’s insane. That’s what it is.

[@andreaspencer9813]

Everyone agrees that writing off one year old electric vehicles is not environmentally friendly.

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

Surely the car is parted out as much as possible and not really crushed, but yeah it's such a waste to not be able to replace battery components in a more modular fashion. It's like cellphones being so disposable nowadays but at a much more massive level.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

@@lukerinderknecht2982 Hyundai do indeed design the Ioniq 5 with a modular battery - they don't have the parts nor the techs to repair them.

[@noexistence1]

⁠​⁠@@andreaspencer9813writing off a 5yo vehicle isn’t environmentally friendly either. BEVs don’t start to become “environmentally sound” until after 100,000km. So going with an average 15k/km per year a BEV doesn’t start to make sense until year 7. Long story short BEVs don’t make sense.

[@dmunro9076]

Hyundai is basically committing insurance fraud by refusing to sell replacement battery packs at a fair price to allow them to be replaced rather than written off.. At the current time the pack cost of a typical EV battery pack in about $170cdn/kw, so the manufacturer's cost is about $12 grand Cdn and with a reasonable markup it should sell for about 20 grand Cdn not 60 grand!

[@LYNDONGOLDEN]

Thank you for staying on the "Hyundai battery" path. Hyundai may be in the spotlight at this moment, but the whole EV industry can learn from this. Post-accident diagnostics, evaluation, and serviceability of EV batteries is something that needs more attention. Once manufacturers gain more experience with designing modular (repairable) systems, repair costs and fears may recede.

[@julianhudson]

E.V. will never be cheap to repair compared to I.C.E. vehicles. When the high tech complexity starts the moment you put the energy into the power supply unit, you know you're going to face a huge bill. The gas tank's simplicity of manufacture, maintenance which is zero, lack of having to prep it in cold weather and it's safe location in the event of an accident including cheap replacement costs can't be replicated by a Zero Emissions Vehicle.

[@jhelotes5627]

@@julianhudson , never? I have never owned an ice vehicle that was cheap to repair. Seems that there has always been a correlation between the cost of labor/parts and the vehicle. Further, an ICE vehicle is far more complex than EV's. Just think of all the parts and components that EV's render obsolete. Consumer demand, mass production and rapidly emerging battery technologies should further reduce EV's retail costs. This is basic supply and demand economics. EV's are in early adoption, so expect manufacturer's, like Tesla, to continue lowering costs while eagerly improving and innovating. Consumer's should decide which type of vehicle is best for their needs and pocketbook. Governments that impose deadlines onto the automotive industry and ignore consumer demand are making a mistake.

[@julianhudson]

@jhelotes5627 the only part of your comment that I agree with is the last section where you said that the government must not be involved in manipulating the market in favor of one technology over another. What we have going on with E.V. subsidies is classic Marxism where the government assumes control of the means of production through either outright nationalization of the factories or else by legislating what will be made and how much. This is the USSR transferred over to the West. There's no way we would be talking about E.V.'s if it weren't for the fact of the Marxists who run the Green movement. They hate free enterprise, they despise freedom of choice and the believe that economic growth is evil. E.V. powered cars will never be cheap because they are inherently more complex to build and are more reliant on technology than are I.C.E. vehicles. They are practically throw away products because their batteries are structurally built into the car. Insurance companies are reluctant to repair an E.V. just because of the risk involved with possibly having a compromised battery pack and the expense of replacement. The E.V. industry wouldn't exist without government mandates and subsidies that hide the true costs of purchasing an E.V. The taxpayer is getting ripped off because he is the lie one footing the bill. Government subsidies to E.V. buyers are the most expensive way for the government to purchase watts. The whole alternative energy thing is just a way of transferring the nation's wealth to the political class and their private sector rich donors. More of the earth's raw materials are used to make E.V.'s than are used to make I.C.E. vehicles. Lastly E.V.'s aren't zero emissions. Lots of emissions are produced elsewhere to mine and refine the materials that go into making them and which make them heavier than I.C.E. vehicles

[@geekpegger]

Congratulations on producing great content episode after episode. I never got the impression that either of you are against EV. You guys are doing a fine job of presenting the facts and analyzing. Some people are enthusiastic about EVs. Which is pretty good. I personally still have range anxiety and don’t agree with prices and availability of EVs. Partially due to where I live. We don’t have good EV charging infrastructure. Government needs to focus on EV Charging infrastructure before pushing for electric vehicles. Then there are availability issues. Barring Tesla, all manufacturers are struggling to fulfill the demand.

[@fernandoherranz4095]

My Subie's start-stop feature works pretty well and I can say that for every 50-75 miles I drive, I save around .25 gallons of gas in stop-n-go traffic. It's not a lot, but I think it's worth putting up with a little vibration at the stop light to save the gas. It's really not a bother to use IMO, especially if you use it together with Auto Vehicle Hold. To restart, I touch my brake to reactivate my engine just before the car in front of me starts moving. I have the AVH button up on the screen next to the auto start/stop, so it's easy to press. Subaru recommends using both features together but you don't have to.

[@Iep23]

Love this video. Just brings up so many questions regarding electric vehicles. I definitely don’t think I’ll be getting an EV this decade. Companies have a lot to figure out still.

[@Richardak600]

Ev's by 2035 is a pipe dream and maybe by then we will see how many charging station are available. Cold weather range . Cost of batteries. Many more issues need to be resolved. Government track record for meeting goals is pathetic. Evs should be an option but I.c.e. should remain available. I currently drive a 2023 CX 5 signature with a price of $47,500 including delivery and freight and a very nice level of luxury. So if an ev vehicle similar to size and luxury and price with 600 kl range and 5 minute charging with the same number of chargers as gas pumps then maybe i would consider one.

[@jsfbay1]

Not to mention the power grid itself - is that ready for everyone plugging in at night when renewables aren't online... California is another EV gung-ho state and it just isn't going to happen by 2035.

[@SteveMosetiAliyebarikiwa]

Great point!

[@SleepyGrizzlyBear-st9mb]

I think in the next video we should talk about the EV insurance.

[@foxlake6750]

Maybe some thoughts and comments from the Ins. Industry on EVs

[@ChicagoBob123]

Insurance of my model 3 is the same as my old bmw. 😊

[@reader-7175]

c'mon people! do you want to keep this channel? Don't provoke honest people publishing under their real names.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

@@ChicagoBob123 you're welcome. The rest of us, including many of the working poor, are subsidizing you.

[@JohnSmith-uz3dt]

Do you ever get the “KNOCK”? Someone pounding on your window asking what you’re doing parked in front of there house.

[@mbamommy141]

Love the idea of an EV but won't touch one until we are forced to. Too many unknows need to be sorted out first. So instead, we're making the transition away from gas to hybrid. Love your channel. Keep doing what you're doing, you're super helpful and appreciated!! Happy Healthy New Year!!

[@441meatloaf]

Its more the fact there isn't enoughy infrastructure nor repair techs to keep up with the changes.

[@Sammie110]

Zack, your common sense is appreciated and the questions you are asking about EVs need to be kept front and centre. Politicians and ideologs aren't interested in dealing with the nuances or details that affect us. Thank you for standing up for consumers!

[@andreaspencer9813]

Andrea has common sense too....

[@AD-lf9ck]

Thank you for giving us honest reviews unlike some reviewers who is afraid to tell the truth. God bless you both.

[@fernandoherranz4095]

I really appreciate your honesty Motormouth! You guys are awesome!

[@oceanNmotoWoman]

You're doing such a good job giving us all the straight sauce on vehicles in general thank you. I have a 2016 Ford Edge Sport. My wife and I use it for hauling tools and large loads of supplies from the hardware store for DIY home importing. We also use it for the annual road trip from Florida to Missouri to see family for the holidays. Most of our daily trips though are in the 2022 Chevy Bolt I bought for my wife. She wanted a small city car and the Bolt is perfect! We charge it with the solar panels on our home and for short trips it seats our whole three moms two kids house family just fine. When I replace the Edge I'm seriously considering going full EV, it's just a question of if I can charge it in Missouri!

[@jr7055]

A heavy skid plate under the battery should be standard on all EVs. CyberTruck battery is unprotected too, they have bolt locations for aftermarket skid plates though. I never would have noticed that without seeing your Hyundai videos. Well done!

[@johnmartin7158]

Then your ground clearance is less. Designers need to revisit this as has been said by some engineer you-tubers.

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

Seriously, the CT has no skid plate?

[@gregp.7148]

I love the EV experience. 1. Nothing like instant torque! Bought used in October a 2019 BMW i3 120Ah (44kWH?). 2. Also not having to be at the mercy of the oil lobby and their unpredictable increases in gasoline prices. Not to mention wars constantly affecting fuel prices. ‘F’ that. For only these 2 reasons, and there are many others (ex. way less maintenance, no harmful exhaust fumes), it’s already been worth it. And EVs are constantly getting better (and cheaper). What’s there not to like about them?!

[@geothermal7999]

I saw an IONQ5 on a highway the other day and remembered your 2-part show on it. I gotta say that the car’s ground clearance is very low. I’m estimating 5 inches tops. The battery panel protection protrudes out making the overall clearance very low, which makes it vulnerable to easy damage. It needs to be redesigned to avoid a 60K CAD battery replacement. No EVs for me let alone hybrid.

[@catherinejacobs4801]

I would love to hear more of your own personal car stories and what lessons you two learned.

[@mannythegoodguy]

Keep up the honesty. We support you.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

The auto industry is known for excluding reporters with negative reviews; they no longer get invites to the launches. No longer get the vehicles to test drive. I've seen this happen with two reviewers that I know of.

[@davidb6610]

Happy New Year to you both! Great QCC. A year ago I was all gung-ho for getting an EV but after a lot of research (and listening to you all) The poor infrastructure in my area and the quickly changing tech has made me pump the brakes on that idea. Most likely a hybrid or PHEV are a safer long term option.

[@jeffer1101]

Regarding the replacement costs for batteries in hybrids, it really depends on the brand. It's one advantage of Toyota, as there are so many of them on the roads. There is a place in IL called Best Hybrid Batteries that sells replacement batteries (eg) for a 2013 Toyota Prius for $1449. A new one from the dealer is $2549 if you prefer that option. Labour is likely about another $1000. As Zack mentioned, for a hybrid, the batteries are inside the vehicle and are better protected from damage so you don't write off your $60,000 car by running over a muffler pipe by accident.

[@christophercheek8464]

I really appreciate your honesty and integrity in your reviews and thoughts on the industry. Keep up the great work. Happy New Year!

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you for the kind words, Happy New Year to you as well!

[@ilangovanthevar6612]

Love you guys, without fear or favour,be brutally honest and we love for that.👍🏼❤️

[@BigMeanyVids]

As for EV battery longevity under normal cases you are fine. I have driven a 2013 leaf for 98000 miles and it's still going. Yeah, battery is maybe 75% of what it was making it only useful now as a close to the house glorified golf cart in a sense but boy were those cheap miles overall.

[@cafelate9515]

I want to thank you both for being an advocate for us for reviewing cars for us. You are our eyes and ears on the car that if we should get the potential car or not. Like it or not it is what it supposed to be. And not kissing the ass of the manufacturer to say positive things and ending up buying a crappy car. There are many kids out there that play car journalist that I despise. I don’t watch them anymore. I bought two cars based on your reviews and I am glad that I found your channel. You guys should win an emmy for the best car review content.

[@andreaspencer9813]

Wow, thank you for the kind words!

[@heatherireland2810]

I bought a gas Subaru 3 years ago. I like the EV idea but not enough information or $$ for me. I also like the hybrid but again priced way beyond my budget. Love my Subaru. It was well within my budget and it has safety features galore and the AWD is great in the snow.

[@yulinmao1913]

They already told you you could get a Chevy Bolt if you want to try an EV, but not expensive.

[@richardmichael59]

Regarding stop/start function, I learned recently that I don’t have to disable it with a button on the dash, you can just use less pressure on the footbrake when stopped and it won’t shut the engine down. Press harder on the brake pedal and it activates the feature. 2023 Mah..zda CX 50.👍

[@ctclardy]

Toyota has been ahead of the curve on this... they have pretty much held back on pure EV (BEV) production and are pushing hybrids that give the consumer the best of both worlds, excellent fuel economy without the range anxiety... plus, you can build 90 hybrids for every BEV and still cut down on emissions drastically... 1 BEV will remove ~ 4 tons of carbon from the atmosphere each year while 90 hybrids will remove ~ 140 tons each year... Like Zack I'm for BEVs as part of the auto makeup, however, I believe the market should dictate their viability in the marketplace, not government mandates... if BEVs are to succeed they should have to satisfy the consumer in the marketplace, not force them to buy something that doesn't work for them.

[@GodSaveThePhilippines0821]

I once inquired about a used 2022 Kona EV with only 4K Kms on it. Midway though the back and forth, the dealer's rep volunteered that the unit sat for more than one year on the lot because it waited for a battery replacement. For me it was a huge red flag and did not push through with the purchase.

[@Jd-di1dj]

You guys are the best auto reviewers out there! Very genuine. And Happy New Year!! Jd, Vancouver, BC

[@erich.4305]

I am still concerned about battery replacement in an EV. Living in a cold climate in Connecticut and keeping a vehicle for 20 years and 200 thousand Miles, i am not confident a battery will last that long.

[@amitsinghmalik]

Thanks!

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you very much!

[@michaelgarvin8621]

You guys stay the course and be your true and honest selves. 👍👍

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you!

[@robertx1603]

You can easily get parts for any 15-20 year old internal combustion engine. 10 years from now will compatible batteries even be available for a 2024 EV?

[@Psyfertospsb]

I will always support you guys due to your integrity, love it

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you so much!

[@guykap]

You are correct in saying that we need more information. From what I read in the Globe and Mail the penalty for not reaching the 20 percent zero emissions target in 2026 is a $20,000 fine per car that does not make the target. I cannot tell if this is at the OEM level or the dealer level. It is possible that a manufacturer will leave the Canadian market. Or overnight all ICE cars will have the $20,000 penalty added to the price. Then the cheapest new car would be in the $45K range. I also think this will be hard on many dealers. This will also push up ised car values. This is going to be hard on the millions of Canadians that are just making it.

[@colleensmith3374]

Great info...don't ever change your format, it works and it's for the consumer! I am dying to get a Genesis GV60... I can taste it. When I do it will be leased:) Currently, helping kiddo's with college; but soon. Thanks to your info.

[@100M2B]

The biggest reason I pay the new car price is that I can have the exact exterior and interior fulfilling my personal taste. If I can't have the color I want when buying a new car, I'd just buy a like-new used car and save thousands of dollars.

[@gpaull2]

My neighbourhood was built in 2006/2007. I installed a 240 volt plug in my garage for a future EV charger. The electric company told me that only two more houses can upgrade their panels for chargers, otherwise the whole electric infrastructure will need to be upgraded. Apparently they pass this cost on to all of the residents in the neighbourhood. 😬 If our relatively newer neighbourhood can’t handle each house having one EV charger (never mind two), how is all of Canada going to be set up by 2035?!?!

[@got_to_roll]

Your hard work, integrity, and honesty is always appreciated. I would love to see you be given the opportunity to share what is being done about the battery situations you brought to light.

[@jbtubman]

After driving a Tucson PHEV for 9 months, including an 8000 km road trip, I can say that I am pleased with it, but a regular hybrid would give you better range per tank on the highway. For urban driving, the fuel savings are significant. I’m with Zack on his EV opinions.

[@James-ol6rw]

My 2021 Honda pilot does not use starter motor for stop/start system. The engine stops with compression in one cylinder, and when you release the brake pedal, that compressed cylinder kicks over the engine just like the starter does, and the engine starts again. No excess wear and tear on starter motor at all.

[@khtut8015]

U guys r great duo , enjoyable to watch

[@frhaber]

EVs may make sense environmentally, but there are many unknowns: infrastructure, including charging for condo/apt dwellers, overpricing/reliability at commercial chargers, taxation to recover the loss of fuel taxes. Taxation alone may end up being a major factor, with reduction in corporate and road tax income as well as loss of employment in the oil and gas industry. Will the government charge up front at time of purchase, based on average mileage travelled yearly, and life expectancy of the vehicle, or on electric chargers, with home units being metered separately? The list goes on.

[@kb0224]

You guys hit the nail on my EV reticence. I'd love to have one, but I live in an apartment in Dallas with no immediate access to convenient charging, and then my longest frequent trip is to my parents in South Texas that don't have a charger for a nearly 60 miles radius. I'm pro the technology, but it just is not feasible for me right now. I will not buy a car that is more inconvenient than what my 2013 Hyundai Elantra already is (even though I am itching like crazy for a new car haha 😅)

[@debkleinschmidt4490]

We have a 2024 Honda CRV Touring Hybrid and also a 2024 Tucson Ultimate Hybrid. We love them both and I'm looking forward to how they compare over time. I used to have a Ford C-Max Hybrid and it was a great car until it was totalled.

[@marcgirard7551]

Great QCC session again! Zak and Andrea are awesome and we really appreciate your integrity!

[@sjay149]

Correction at 11:38...The 8 year battery stack warranty is prorated. It is not a 100% replacement warranty, after the first 3 years. The warranty covers 50% of the materials after 4 years, 25% after 6 years and 0 after 8 years. This may or may not include recycling.

[@TheRebuilt1]

Coffee on me, Thanks!

[@Motormouth...]

Wow, thank you!

[@garthhowe297]

So many questions regarding long term costs on EV's. Some industry people are indicating that increasing demand of the costly rare earth elements used in batteries, may actually increase the cost of the batteries, and not decrease with volume. Yikes!

[@ZuMi_rcf]

Happy New Year! Great content as usual. The answer on EV targets by 2035 is on point. I don’t understand why people would hate on the realistic answer. We will not meet that 2035 target; just look at the cost of loan and raw materials, an average Canadian household cannot afford average EV prices - and any profitable company would not invest on products they can’t sell. I would not be surprised if Hyundai is having a big dilemma with the battery issues too and the government start doubling back on their EV commitments.

[@colleensmith3374]

"Live with it & be happy!" Now that sounds like sound advice! Happy New Year from Colo

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

Probably advice a lot of us need to be reminded of, more often than not, and in many ways 😅

[@ChrisThompson-x4i]

Love to see an updated review on the new Lexus GX 550 Premium now that pricing and details have been released. Love to have you drive it and let us know how it feels

[@andreaspencer9813]

We'll be driving it at the end of January, looking forward to it!

[@dalenihiser7766]

I'm a little old school (meaning paranoid) when it comes to start n stop vehicles. In my youth and early adulthood, I've owned cars that didn't restart when they stopped. For me it's an unsettling sensation when my Subie stops and I'm left wondering will it....? So far so good but honestly, I disable the feature.

[@rickd3039]

What I love most is your balanced approach to reviews. You are honest and give consumers information needed to make good decisions. I too am a fan of EV but want to let the technology develop a bit more and infrastructure build out a bit more. Thank you both.

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@renzericsongabuya7842]

Im open to EV but but im worried where do they get those minerals for battery. It has to be somewhere else.

[@stephenwierzbicki4463]

A & Z, What about the End of Life of the Battery? Do WE send them to the Ontario Steel Mill or Indiana Steel Mill? Melt them down into Slag?!!?

[@gregp.7148]

Plug-in hybrid (PHEV) vehicles with some electric range won’t have to ever worry about start-stop issues, as the car is always ‘on’, which means instant torque!

[@wny9521]

You both are very honest and i like that you don't have bad attitudes.

[@SinghN2338]

Plug is hybrids are part of the plan. 'The regulations define ZEVs as battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) fueled only with electricity; fuel-cell vehicles (FCVs) that operate using hydrogen; and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) that can run exclusively on electricity for a specified minimum distance before they transition to operating as hybrid vehicles, using both liquid fuels and electricity.'

[@jackcycling4403]

We live in a rural area and a local electrician was telling us that 95% of the homes in our area do not have the appropriate electrical panel to have an electrical heating/ cooling system for the house and for a charging station for EV's. The cost of updating or changing the heating/cooling units and the house's electrical system would be quite expensive. Not counting the cost of building a grid that could support that increased demand in electricity. Absolutely ludicrous!!

[@GraysonA]

My GV60 batteries are covered for 8 years 100k miles. Most of us will not be in an accident that is our fault that will require the battery to be replaced. Everyone should know that warranties also don't cover accidents that require engine repair, transmission repair, etc.

[@moloono1]

The problem isn’t avoiding accidents. The problem is that insurance companies will refuse to insure your vehicle because of the cost of possibly replacing the batter.

[@GraysonA]

@@moloono1I don't see that happening since we will be 100% EV in the future. Battery replacement due to accident is extremely rare.

[@moloono1]

@@GraysonA Insurance companies operate now. I wouldn’t be surprised if they started dropping certain models.

[@GraysonA]

@@moloono1I'd be very surprised if they do. They'll figure out how to repair batteries or replace parts of a battery rather than the entire pack. Battery packs should also continue to decrease in cost over time, should replacement be necessary. Also, if you're referring to the Ioniq 5 issue, there was damage to the cooling system, not just the protective cover.

[@moloono1]

@@GraysonA I think you’re looking too far into the future. If they don’t bring the price down on these battery repairs, insurance will stop covering them. Just like they did when the Kia boys were going around stealing them.

[@m2193d]

In November 2022, I reserved a Bolt EUV after going through a lot of reviews and without test driving one (since none was available to test drive). While waiting for its arrival, Tesla started giving incentives on their cars and we bought a Model 3 in December 2022. Our Bolt arrived in January 2023, and we became a household with two EVs going from zero. We absolutely loved both Model 3 and Bolt, and just few days ago ended up buying a Model Y performance (almost $5k off the actual price with Tesla's incentives). So, now we have three EVs for our family of four, and we are hoping for a smooth ride for next several years (hopefully).

[@sandeeppatel7490]

Fantastic episode. Right questions asked about ev. Manufacturers have no answer to the questions of consumers.

[@Subh8081]

I was excited for EV before. Lot of that range anxiety related worries I had have been alleviated by Government initiative to expand fast charging stations and 95% of the time, I was going to be charging at home. But I did some research and calculation that the EV is actually not clean unless I drive about 50-60k km and the price premium I pay for EV would not be recuperated until I drive about 70-80k km. I keep cars for 7-8 years and my mileage is around 12k km per year only. So, 5 out of 8 years I would drive a dirtier car than a modern fuel-efficient mild hybrid and 6 out of 8 years I would drive recuperating the price premium. Recently I am getting worried on battery depreciation and resale value of an electric car of say, 70% battery health, and for the last few months, about accidents affecting the battery pack. If 2 cells are damaged out of 10-15 why the whole pack need to be changed and not those cells? I have hold of my plans for BEV purchase but have an open mind. The battery swap technology is picking up. But I don't think I will ever buy a BEV if the replacement cost of battery is too high. My calculation is after 8 years, when the car value is around 30%-40% based on my mileage, the battery pack repair cost should not be more than half of that.

[@SuperBartet]

A hybrid start stop system is never ever going to wear out the starter motor, because it not got one. It has a motor-generator that takes over that function.

[@jeffer1101]

Regarding the auto start/stop issue, both our cars have it. The Venza (hybrid) doesn't have a dedicated "starter" in it, it simply uses MG1 to "start" the engine so it is a very smooth and seamless process. Our Forester uses the standard starter and it is not smooth at all. In most cases, we disable it. In my opinion, the constant starting and stopping is harder on the vehicle as a whole. It's harder on the battery, the starter motor (which is hopefully more robust) and the "shakiness" of the constant starting and stopping might even wear things like engine mounts out sooner over time. I think auto start/stop features are fine for hybrids as they can manage that process much easier, but I don't like it for regular gas powered vehicles.

[@NM-hx3cr]

I turn the auto stop/start button off everytime I get in my car, I wish the darn thing would stay off for good, it's really annoying for stop and go traffic in the city (I don't think it's good for the starter to have this feature running IMO)

[@fishorcutb8]

RE start stop comparison to hybrid . SOME manufactures hybrids start the gas engine using the the electric drive motor, also they usually have a smaller gas engine to go along withe the electric motor, not as hard to turn over. Glad to hear about asking for battery cost up front. I would get replacement cost insurance policy with a new EV just so when they want to wright off the EV you can get a brand new one. But I guess the policy would be a lot higher than normal. Great job you two.

[@maheshb6092]

Thanks, guys, for being honest with us. I have a lot of respect for you guys for telling us the truth.

[@nealjohnson5059]

I enjoy your reviews, keep up the great work! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thanks so much!

[@jimallen6330]

We live in a rural area with limited infrastructure for charging plug ins. We don’t drive a lot of miles annually but a typical round trip is ~50 to 150 miles. Sometimes we’ll drive 600 in a day to get to our destination. Sounds line hybrid could work if forced into one. Our 2019 CRV averaged 33-36 mpg for over 52k miles. We traded it for a CX-50 which so far gets ~26 mpg. I’m guessing that we bought the wrong new car.

[@ArmpitoftheGiant]

In regards to hybrids... Got myself a Volvo V60 Polestar PHEV in Winnipeg. Been driving since I got it at the beginning of the December and have not used the gas engine once, and that's in Winnipeg. Love it and wish there were more wagons to choose from but this Volvo is amazing.

[@MrLogansimmons]

I appreciate you bringing up that most EV owners will never have to replace their batteries. It’s when it’s damaged is the issue. Too many people assume that the battery will need to be replaced due to degradation, and that’s just not true. Edit: on your mention of the Leaf, those batteries are not liquid cooled and can degrade much faster than other EV batteries. Virtually all EVs sold today have liquid cooled batteries that will not overheat and will avoid premature degradation.

[@kevinharbeson775]

Great video, love you guys and your open and honest conversations regarding the vehicles you test and the whole electric vehicle situation as it is unfolding. Keep questioning and pushing for answers that haven't been provided. Well done.

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thanks so much!

[@foxlake6750]

Politicians can be voted out and end dates can be pushed back, the electrical infrastructure will be the limiting factor. Keep in mind governments are also pushing home heat pumps, which use a lot of power.

[@dcb805]

Hearing all the ev battery discussions makes me love my 2011 Tacoma and my 2007 gmc 2500hd more and more everyday

[@CannonKnight]

Well, I hope Hyundai invites them to the Canadian launch/press event of the 2024 Santa Fe, if there is such a thing. It looks to be an impressive redesign. Plus, saying the replacement cost of EV batteries are super expensive isn't like a Diesel-gate scandal or anything like that for Hyundai to get super upset with. It just another thing to add to the pile of issues with EVs.

[@LRS34625]

A big concern for me is, what sort of resale value will a 10 year old EV have? I think these vehicles will become disposable and that would not be good for the environment. And to be brutally honest, I always enjoy your content.

[@coy9898]

I hate the auto start stop, yes you can turn it off but you have to turn it off every time you get in. I wish there was an option to have it off as default

[@mauricetremblay1324]

Hey there. Happy new year. Love the channel. I have a Genesis GV70 and a Santa Fe hybrid. Both have been near flawless. The Genesis just has window trim that seems to have the clear coat that is peeling. But otherwise GREAT vehicles. Cheers.

[@1934frazernash]

I have a 2023 bolt euv with 1135 km and the battery condition is showing 4% life used . Im so glad i leased for 2yrs as i dont think the battery would make 5yrs of ownership.

[@artistnyc123]

I was watching Fargo season five (great program) and they were in a Kia dealership and they pronounce the car the "Spor-tahj" just like Andrea, of course it's based in Minnesota so it makes since. It was just so funny it made me think of Andrea.

[@steelheader2543]

Another great QC&C...you two are so consistent with your honest and informative reviews, I don’t understand why you haven’t made to a million+ subscribers. Happy New Year!

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you and Happy New Year to you as well!

[@deanb3033]

I sure love the hybrid experience, my Rav4 is great. Plenty powerful and fantastic fuel economy. I cant imagine buying another ice only vehicle. Cant comment on pure EV yet.

[@PeterTwidle]

I own a 2021 Crosstrek which has the engine stop/start "feature". It drove me crazy as when starting the Subaru flat four motor it is really noticeable and annoying. Found a dongle on line that easily installs and costs about $100 - it defeats the default "on" feature unless you wish to enable it. Best $ I ever spent.

[@TeeLau]

I don't think EV is the answer either, you guys made some great points about all the shortcoming i.e. the battery.

[@morgandrives]

True about the resistance - this Canadian will NEVER be forced to buy an EV. There are ways around stupid mandates.

[@Conz1331]

We elect politicians to represent us, not to tell us what to buy, what to say, what to think. The whole EV “strategy “ would barely garner a D- if it was presented to any business school.

[@frh-freerangehuman]

You both already know I love you guys 😊 but I just wanted to say congrats on breaking 50. Looking forward to 100 and beyond. Love the honest reviews and the humour you bring to the show. Happy New Year 🎉

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you very much! Happy New Year! 🎉🎉

[@GraysonA]

Thanks for adding the timestamps!

[@titusbc]

I think the auto stop for my ford f150 is the only thing that has actually worked with no issues heading towards year 7. It also self regulates according with electrical draw (temp, ac) etc. so it does not do it in all conditions.

[@arbitrary76]

Zack and Andrea have always seemed very fair to me on EVs. We are electrifying for very good reasons, but in the short term, there are some issues and EVs don't work for everyone. As Zack said, 2035 is 11 years off, so there is plenty of time for the issues to get resolved, and progress for instance on charging networks is made every year. If you are worried about battery longevity and charging, one answer is to get a Tesla, because they do seem to stand by the warranty and their charging network is the best. I have a Model Y.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

A change in our Federal government will put a quick end to the 2035 date.

[@kilian76]

Every Toyota I’ve ever sat in (mostly Uber drivers drive Toyota) they all rattle creak and squeak. The interior trim is like a bucket of plastic parts. Can’t believe a grand Hylander is #1

[@kiwan5425]

Exactly. There are many aspects to consider when you buy a product. Toyota is failing at so many aspects except longevity. You will see Hyundai-Kia catching up Toyota and VW in a decade. Just like Samsung-LG did.