Questioned: How An Aircraft Can Fire A Missile While Rolling | DCS WORLD

[@Wpns175]

The Launcher racks use exploding impulse cartridge's (Navy calls them CADs) to generate a large amount of Gas pressure to literally PUSH the missile away from the jet. They are extremely POWERFUL using the force of nearly 4000-5000psi. The AIM-9 shots you are seeing are different, they have holdback devices that hold onto the missile until a certain force of thrust is built up. The launchers that "eject" the -120's and old AIM-7s work through a system of hook like devices that grab onto the missile and then a pair of ejectors that not only sway the missile (hold it still) but then SHOVE the missile off the jet. The latest generation of these from the "Harris" company are powered by compressed air, which makes them really easy to work with/on and simple to use (these being on the F-22/F-35) and also the BRU-61 for the SDB's uses the pneumatic system.

[@grimreapers]

WElcome back loader!

[@Wpns175]

@@grimreapers thanks Cap and Company! If you ever need to do that kind of thing again just hit me up! It would be neat to do something on bombs and bomb components.

[@kodefashmodefa]

Who knew watching slow-mo missile launches would be so entertaining. Now I have a visual when I hear the “FOOMP FUMP”

[@jetfighter200]

8:09 the definition of SPAAMRAM :)

[@RogueSpecterGamingOfficial]

As a load toad i got to work the 22 for a year (now I am on the 16). The F-22 uses what is called an AVEL (AMRAAM Vertical Ejection Launcher) for the 120s in the main bays. It uses a mix of nitrogen and hydro to operate and launches the missile out of the bay at an extremely fast rate. The side bays are only hydraulically powered only but still operate just as fast. It is very impressive to see this in action in person.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@Wpns175]

Do they use the LAU-147s? With an onboard pressurization system? Or do you guys have to refill this system?

[@BCSchmerker]

+GrimReapersAtomic *Modeling the AAM ejector in Eagle Dynamics DCS:World is complicated by the quick kickout and slow retraction.* The Sparrow ejector applies to the McDonnell (USA) F-4, Grumman (USA) F-14, McDonnellDouglas (USA) F-15 and F-18, and Panavia (EUR) Tornado F; I estimate comparable ejectors on the Lockheed Martin (USA) F-22 and F-35; Qengdu (CHN) FC-35; OKB Pavela Osipovicha Sukhogo (RUS) T-50M1/M2 and production Su-57; and a variety of reconnaissance/attack drones.

[@sharpyslighting143]

Thanks cap, fun stuff! Will let you know if I find anymore wacky aircraft antics. Sharpy.

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

The missile knows where it is....

[@kyriakos2706]

Until it knows where you are

[@FD1CE]

Regarding AIM-54 the plane must be leveled because the detachment process is simply a little explosion to release the buckles and let the Phoenix be dropped by gravity until its rockets turn on. (There's only the release not any "push" as I heard directly from an F-14A pilot)

[@alexandertheissl808]

It would be more interesting to see bombers drop bombs while flying upside down. 😀💥😀

[@grimreapers]

that vid shows in a few days.

[@lohrtom]

That was damn interesting. Also, I had no idea that the rendering of the aircraft was so exact. It must take months to make a module.

[@FuriouslyFurious]

Nah, it only takes two weeks ;)

[@allgaming4045]

* Years *

[@heeder777]

Gotta reach out to us weapons troops (retired one here) to get the skinny on weapons release systems, racks, guns etc. Nice presentation by the guest. Not taking anything away from him but a shotgun shell? Even specialists know they are carts or more precise, impulse carts. 🤣😉🇺🇸

[@Wpns175]

Heck yea.... fellow weapons troop (2W1, not 462, I am not that old!). Shotgun shells....phssss they ALL get Maintenance on Explosive Loader Aircraft class and should no better....perhaps he thought it best to use layman's terms?

[@heeder777]

@@Wpns175 it was a sad day when they changed the AFSC! 462 just had a “click” to it.

[@jwg72]

Curious about whether an R-73 can be fired during a cobra :)

[@deanboy2416]

short answer: yes

[@grimreapers]

R-73 can fire any aspect at any angle.

[@jwg72]

@@grimreapers Ah! Yes! But can the pilot successfully use the HMCS while sitting in the immediate two seconds after pulling that maneuver? Can the aircraft radar successfully acquire and cue the missile fast enough? That is what I was wondering about.

[@itspersiangulfmoron.repeat2242]

@@jwg72 Su-27 & Mig-29 were developed around dogfight techniques so yes they are capable of giving the missile any information it needs anytime the pilot wants.

[@qiyuxuan9437]

@@jwg72 R73 dont need radar to work. The IRST sensor can slave to HMCS which can guide the missile. Maybe the seeker head can also slave to HMCS too, not sure about that tho.

[@mstrwil73]

Missiles on the LAU-128/129 are mechanically restrained by the forward detent. The mechanical restraint is, however, electrically disengaged but the force of the missile's propulsion has to override the mechanical force to disengage the forward detent. Once achieved, it does then slide forward on, using it as a track to propel itself off the rail.

[@heeder777]

Don’t forget the snubbers! 😉

[@Wpns175]

@@heeder777 You beat me to it.

[@Mojje42]

Aim-9's were always difficult to arm on the wingtips of the Gripen minimum of 2 people and having to reach stuff at odd angles ...plus the connector was the worst and it was what we loaded the most.... training version and only on the right wing tip

[@Wpns175]

I am sure there are some Eagle loaders that feel the your pain. My least favorite part of loading a 'winder is when I get the 5 foot tall guy that looks like a 12 year old on my load crew. My back is STILL messed up from that kind of crap!

[@gypsysoul8087]

Slow down that video that plane had already completed the role before he shot the missile but that Angle of attack shooting the missile was pretty cool

[@nishantkondekar2005]

hey cap, good music taste:)

[@seattlekarim964]

Such an amazing community!

[@Ironwulf2000]

Literally shotgun blanks, in some bomb ejection racks.

[@Wpns175]

Well, not really. The propellent is very different compared to a shot gun. But the effect is the same. They are also electrically primed.

[@Proximax9]

very educational! love it!

[@Tomcatters]

Do with other fighter too! F-14, F-15, Su-27.

[@aidenwright2003]

Now this is pretty cool

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

Is your Anti Aliasing off?

[@ZTKki113R]

I'd like to see what would happen if you pulled negative G's while testing this, if the it would even let you

[@kenhelmers2603]

Very cool info! Thanks folks :)

[@unclejoeoakland]

So are they blank shotgun cartridges? I have heard they may well be. Would love to know and if they are, what a great piece of off-the-shelf engineering!

[@aleksimakela6787]

Practically yes. Those "blanks" are most reliable way to detach any weapon or store. Even normal bomb rack units use that kind of system.

[@unclejoeoakland]

@@aleksimakela6787 so... 12 gauge or something? I imagine the military insists on special labeling and a separate purchase stream even if they're right out of the same factory.

[@Healingpower299]

The cartridges are not 12 gauge or shotgun carts , they are of an aluminium body & electric initiated they vary in width and length depending on the type of ejector release unit , the fill is made up of a tube style of low explosive .

[@aleksimakela6787]

@@unclejoeoakland as @Barry ang just said they're of different construction. I was being a bit unclear, since from the point of view of off-the-shelf engineering they are different. But still, they practically are very closely similar to those start cartridges used in some engines in terms of operating principle (but with less explosive material). Some engines like the one of British Field Marshall tractor accept shotgun blanks.

[@unclejoeoakland]

@@aleksimakela6787 yeah I saw that kind of thing used for lots of big engine starters. Cool concept, awesome practicality, pity it isn't actual shotgun blanks but I suppose that would have been outside luck.

[@Sleepy_potato-o2y]

what are the 4 fin type things on the nose of the f16/F18 infront of the cockpit?

[@codename1176]

They are part of the IFF system’s antennas and where results of an upgraded system their nickname is “bird slicers” if my research is correct. Side note a benefit of them raised gave the system better accuracy to track even cruise missiles

[@drutalero2962]

Is he a crew chief?

[@rubiconnn]

How come you have the resolution set so low?

[@ionator2000ist]

When the vid first gets put out youtube will show the low quality first then you'll get the higher quality ones shortly after

[@sharpyslighting143]

Hi Cap, during the F16 demo your colleague mentioned that the computer will decide which missile to fire because of the roll, what if you only have 1 missile left and it's not on the optimal rail for the roll you are performing? Sharpy.

[@grimreapers]

Only one way to find out :)

[@sharpyslighting143]

@@grimreapers amen brother lol

[@Ironwulf2000]

Those hornet missiles should eject down and out... they are ejecting down

[@grimreapers]

Get it on the list.

[@alexandertheissl808]

Or drop additional tanks while flying upside down.???

[@heeder777]

The wing tanks have a swivel that holds in the back of the tank pylon. As the tank unlocks when the carts fire the aft part of the pylon stays attached until the tank goes nose down then the tank will fall away. Upside down it would most likely stay there until positive G or gravity causes the nose to drop far enough to disengage.

[@grimreapers]

It won't allow the drop if inverted.

[@travismac1996]

Why can't I get my AMRAAMs in an fa18 to hit a simple target plane itz pissing me off.

[@qiyuxuan9437]

At what range did you fired your missiles? If you have very low chance if you fire at the max range.

[@irseeker9989]

Sam:) Sim;)

[@praetorian48]

you tried missiles how about bombs in a roll cause surely they would have different results

[@grimreapers]

Got that coming :)

[@sharpyslighting143]

@@grimreapers I think the laser guided weapons will be OK but free fall bombs are gonna make a mess lol CCHP - Computer Controlled Hot Potato

[@randomhero1797]

first

[@shotigerola4065]

Happy for you