r/menwritingwomen...DRAWN LITERALLY || 4

[@LavenderTowne]

hey guys! I see a lot of comments requesting an inverted version, but I'm having trouble finding good examples online. If you know of some quotes of female authors writing male characters very strangely, please respond to this comment with the quote and book name for a future video! :)

[@ianwells7916]

As a man who likes men, I have made some attempts at reading slash-fic in my misspent youth. It exists, but you are gonna have to plumb the depths of fan-fiction websites to find it, because they way some of those folks try to describe anatomy is what I would call 'poetically Lovecraftian.'

[@yuissance3623]

Emm average yaoi? Average chick-lit?

[@deg8517]

@@yuissance3623 she asked for a quote and book name

[@GhostCabinet]

there used to be an inverse subreddit r/womenwritingmen but it got removed from being unmoderated. but something ive found is that most of the "women writing men" stuff all seem to focus more on reputation, dominance and said male characters undying and obsessive devotion to the protagonist/reader than physical characteristics though there are certainly... exceptions. even with this, the only things i find this in tend to be trashy romance smut. not really much to say since this archetype doesn't change all that much between stories/books

[@ChaoticPerson22]

@@LavenderTowne This wasn’t in an official book, but as a kid I used to write all my teenage male characters as if they were some sort of “cool punks” or something. Here’s one example: “Hey Jake. What’s that?” “Uhh,” he stuttered not sure if he wanted to respond. “I think it’s a love note…” (Here’s where it gets really cringy) “A love note?! In high school? That is so dumb and cheesy! Whoever sent it obviously isn’t cool.” Well okay it’s not that bad but this is from like 4 or 5 years ago, so I’m cringing really hard. I guess for the time it was not bad writing though.

[@alexisdied4558]

Most of these just seem like "Writer's hidden fetish" except its not hidden at all you dont gotta dig to realize it.

[@pearlthenephilim]

Yea the 3rd one when it started going into detail on... the eating habits just... very obviously objectifying someone just eating to survive

[@Mel_Bat]

@@pearlthenephilim I also am under the impression that it has a lot to do with Japanese diet culture and extreme beauty standards that the author may subconsciously empathise (but I don't know whether it was just the character portrayal of the pov guy or women in his other books are described as strangely as here)

[@Larsen_illustrations]

I wish they would hide it, i really wish they'd hide it

[@roofogato]

I mean, there's nothing wrong with having these fetishes, just most of these descriptions are goofy / poorly written lol

[@pearlthenephilim]

@@roofogato I would understand if these descriptions were in a smutty romance novel, but anything else just feels weird

[@squimblow]

I’m crying lol “I didn’t even know this was a beauty standard I was supposed to be insecure about??? ”

[@sithlord5149]

😂

[@KooblyK]

I think for the toe, he just described it weirdly. He probably just meant that her second toe is longer than her big toe, which plenty of people have, even if it doesn't fit the "ideal" foot shape. But it makes the big toe look shorter by comparison.

[@Imjustkendall]

@@KooblyKnah I think men want long toes now

[@KooblyK]

@@Imjustkendall The better to pick stuff up with

[@86Corvus]

Its because feminists are psychotic and want to knock all beauty standards claiming its unrealistic- as if idealized standard was supposed to be realistic... And not... Idealized...

[@tropicalkittie]

1:12 IS NO ONE GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW SHE IMPORTED LITERAL MELONS FOR THE CHEST 😭😭😭

[@Cosmic_x_x_Tears]

NOBODY✨

[@Idklol7107]

5:20 THE PUPPIES😭😭😭😭

[@davidCcode]

1: grabbing pictures on the canvas this way is a usual (and casual) technique in the world of cg artist; 2: it is the idea of the video to take things litteral 😅

[@hondaaccord1399]

Hands shaking, "the-they weren't even the right melons"

[@TBHKobsessedperson]

0:56 THE BOOMERANG

[@LeastInsaneUtsu-PFan]

The first one was bad, but the worst part is how he just *kept going* like dude. We GET IT.

[@gachaloseruser]

It was a body horror book, atleast.

[@qwertyuoqwertyuo6508]

PTSD pfp??? utsup fan in the wild??

[@LeastInsaneUtsu-PFan]

@@qwertyuoqwertyuo6508 Wow, Utsu P fans outside of Pinterest? I’m amazed

[@hashidk6959]

Honestly no, we dont even get him. Cause thats just so weird...

[@galaxyjam3742]

@@qwertyuoqwertyuo6508 YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' HELLO!!! ME TOO!!!!! HELLO!!!!!! UTSU-P FAN, THATS ME!!!!!!!!

[@ThatGenkiGirl]

As a fat woman, I can confirm that I am the most confusing enigma on planet Earth.

[@mikkogeneration]

As a chubby enby, I may have you beat for most confusing enigma. (this is a joke, sort of. I do confuse people. Especially because I use masc pronouns.)

[@rindademon3339]

​@mikkogeneration as a chubby transmasc I am unsure where I fall on this scale of mystery! Tall dark and handsome, turns out there's short fat and thought-provoking.

[@eisflamme2438]

i, skinny but ace am also very confusing to people 😆

[@galaxyjam3742]

@@rindademon3339 Short fat and though provoking is (one of) my type(s)

[@Snek86]

As a chubby transmasc agender, I am quite the enigma as well!

[@nogenderjustfreg7738]

One of the biggest insults I’ve gotten was someone saying I was built like a male wattpad authors fetish work 😦

[@TheyCallmeTheDrink12]

That’s a creative ass insult I need to get like the guy/girl that insulted u

[@lucaskincanyon7393]

I’m sorry that’s really funny tho.

[@miodaiu]

im howling, taking that insult

[@pakki6555]

now THAT'S an insult 😭

[@Laebunnii]

This is giving the same energy as “bruh u calling me out😭 i have thunder thighs n like a slvtty waist but

[@idontknow2469]

The barely disguised anorexia fetish in the beginning made me WILDLY uncomfortable. Cause actually wtf?

[@the-postal-dude]

at least the writer is using fiction to safely explore what could be very harmful irl

[@DrakeBoehm]

Like, I can't even understand how people don't immediately understand just how harmful it is by just seeing that description.

[@milkywaycafe.]

Yeah fetishizing someone who's so unhealthily thin you can see all their bones is vile

[@chimera9818]

In my class when I was in high school the girls even invented a song or how unsexy it is: go do a spin , anorxic and very sexy wait no … anorxy isn’t sexy lalala in the end you die!! (sounds better in my language)

[@Rabbitbanana09]

@@the-postal-dudehow can you be so sure?

[@inanator]

I love how this video has all these silly to low-key eldritch women and then just one normal, attractive lady.

[@chasestudio2736]

‘she’s just pretty… and happens to be fat’ like dude was having a philosophical breakdown

[@Xeorboom]

​@@chasestudio2736bro had a panic attack describing someone I'd see as "kinda ideal"

[@thetruekingofwaffles]

@@chasestudio2736 maybe he's in denial like he finds her attractive but he's afraid of being judged by beauty standards by other and that's why the happens to be fat comes in. I love her appearance but she's fat, society says I shouldn't like that, will that make me ostracized? It's a bit sad the more you think of it.

[@theonlycarpy]

@@chasestudio2736that just makes her a 10/10 (im gay)

[@sahaafa9082]

Да. Это забавно. Все остальные странные, чудаковатые и даже немного пугающие существа и просто эта милая, нормальная толстушка. Вау.

[@muhehehehehehehe]

The chubby woman made alot more sense after you said it was originally japanese. In japan being overweight isnt really looked up upon let alone approved of, so it would kind off make sense he thought it was weird he was attracted to a woman who isnt “accepted” by the society.

[@testerwulf3357]

I mean yea..but no need for the absolute yap of “I swear I’m not fatphobic or sexist though!! I slept with a few fat women. It was sometimes ok” like 😭 he described NOTHING about her! Just that she was fat, he was a horndog, and then a yap trying to justify his feelings and that he wasn’t a bad person..her objectified her so hard and described sleeping with fat women as “accidental” 💀

[@muhehehehehehehe]

@@testerwulf3357 true

[@SoZettaSlow]

I also feel the POV character in Murakami's work here is not meant to be "in the right", he's kinda a freak in the overall narrative.

[@Nella_nova]

Also there is a k!nk for people who like too watch others over-eat and gain lots of weight so that is concerning 😟

[@muhehehehehehehe]

@@Nella_nova isnt that called like feeder or something😨

[@LiamSomeone]

Body horror based around sexist stereotypes and objectification of the female body is such a hardcore/tragic theme

[@julioliarts]

There's gotta be a story related to that!

[@mydogjazz6553]

That kind of reminds me of bloodborne

[@little_moth]

Ooo what about a shape shifter who is trying to appear as a gorgeous woman but only has books like this and human men maybe

[@Comet0rHasYoutubeNow]

Thats a cool idea

[@hazakurasuyama9016]

I love Turing fetishes into body horror tbh

[@spppppppy]

10:41 "ive slept with fat women before" is giving "im not racist i have *insert race* friends"

[@Ieatrocks3]

the idea that “oh im okay with big women because i’ve slept with them before” it’s so weird

[@Shotgunspixie]

"I'm not sexist, I've slept with women before"

[@spideygaming2001]

Nah, he has a fetish

[@maradoupovec31]

Bro did not just compare RACE (something you are born with) to a BODY COMPOSITION (something you control) 😭😭😭

[@OIeka]

^^ Dude stop yapping it’s a comparison not genocide so chill

[@The1ConsumerOfBees]

This is like medieval animal art made by people who have never seen the thing and had to go off vague descriptions, but for women

[@osmacar5331]

Yes Redditors.

[@aeea3306]

​@@osmacar5331 how is that related to this in any way?

[@osmacar5331]

@@aeea3306 found the redditor offended by being called out XD

[@greenapple9477]

​@@osmacar5331No. They made a fair point. How is it related?

[@osmacar5331]

@@greenapple9477 and another one.

[@gaypossum6774]

The guy with the ‘beautiful fat woman’ saying he’s ’demanded to assume a posture towards her’ is so weird, like??? Who’s forcing ya bud??

[@abiliv-lf9tz]

Fr it's usually the opposite They only ask to be treated human

[@icravedeath.1200]

Fr haruki murakami is a great writer but wtf was that passage😭😭

[@cryingwatercolours]

i don’t think that’s what they meant at that passage but igy 😭

[@DanGabrielle]

Murakami writes women as if they were a walking sex toy.

[@the-postal-dude]

the woke agenda or something

[@AzhTheRandom]

0:24 I don't think ANYONE would kill for a body like that. I am insanely worried for anyone who does-

[@michaelkindt3288]

"She could barely manage to lift her own body weight, not because her legs were weak, but because of her massive bazangas. They accounted for half her body weight."

[@mikkogeneration]

It's like a female character pitch for a bad anime. I love anime, but why so much bazangas? And why so big?!

[@michaelkindt3288]

@@mikkogeneration-.-As someone who likes them, I wish I could explain it to you in A way that wouldn't make you uncomfortable.

[@fettucinenoodles6391]

​​@mikkogeneration Animes tend to depend on fanservice a lot. It's hard finding a new one that doesn't have as much fanservice as they typically do.

[@_inky_]

​@@fettucinenoodles6391 and that's why I love gintama

[@whitewall2253]

​@@fettucinenoodles6391 You fool, you've opened yourself up to anime recommendations. Watch delicious in dungeon BTW.

[@dustyrose6338]

3:46 I'm stunned.. how can someone speak french without elisions?? girl what?? Imagine being like "yeah she's not like other girls, she doesn't comply with the basic pronunciation rules of her own language"

[@Organs-Schlorp]

I thought it was a misspelling of allusions that somehow made it past editing 😭

[@Obsidian_Enigma]

That’s what I was thinking!

[@Nerdy__Doll]

RIGHT as a French I was so fucking confused when he mentioned how she spoke French clearly and elegantly with *NO ELISIONS* like ?? French with no elisions isn’t really French 💀💀💀

[@willw6504]

For those who don't know what elisions are, they're when you drop certain sounds while pronouncing a word. An english example would be saying "kinda" instead of "kind of" or "dunno" instead of don't know. Or even pronouncing camera as 'cam-ra'. French is MADE of elisions - most words have extra letters that you don't pronounce. If you are speaking french without elisions, you are speaking French incorrectly. What the author is (unintentionally) describing is a non-French person who learned French from a book and has never spoken to a native French speaker in their life.

[@TikiShades]

It's just classism. Speaking English with "slang and elisions" is lower class-coded, in a very old-timey way, too. The writer just didn't know that doesn't translate to other languages. Further evidence to that is the "aristocratic big toe" where the second toe is longer. Entirely ridiculous standard that aristocracy used to make themselves feel better about themselves

[@mistermanji]

Jolenta is later revealed to have been surgically manipulated, and the idea is that she is basically slowly collapsing under the weight of her impossible figure. The passage is from The Book of the New Sun, and she is definitely portrayed as pitiable and freakish every time she appears.

[@catalinaargyriou8603]

pooor girl...

[@Moonstar79]

Wait it was intentional?? That's crazyyy

[@Craniac223]

Wait, so does it belong there or not?

[@mistermanji]

@@Craniac223 I would say no? Because her unnatural appearance is created on purpose, not due to a lack of anatomical understanding by the author. Unless you've read the book, it would be very hard to understand that the author made her that way on purpose. The context is incredibly important.

[@Craniac223]

@@mistermanji Thank you for clarifying :)

[@alexisdied4558]

How the hell does someone who's described as being anorexic basically have huge "melons" The weight distribution is terrifying. Their chest would literally crush their body and would fall over from lack of balancing.

[@artCharles]

"No but you don't understand its sexy" -The Author who wrote that description, probably

[@AlexandraXera]

Fr big honkers need a stronger back to support them

[@KrugerBabadook]

Yeah, honestly I only find tig ol bitties attractive if their proportional to the rest of the body

[@Bunny_Bill]

Also how can you see her ribs through her shirt😭 through her skin I understand, because I'm like that, but where did she get a shirt that thin😭😭 no way that's possible

[@Split_tails]

The authour didnt mention the back, so maybe bc the melons are so huge, her back is like totally ripped like all the fat and muscle just went to the back so that it could support the massiveness in the front

[@anam8or]

the way normally everything is malnourished except from their jewels 😭😭

[@THENOEYEDGIRL_]

JEWELS HELP MEMHELP HRLP

[@maxwellgrimsley]

“Jewels” is the funniest descriptor for them I’ve ever heard help 💀

[@gnoot50]

lmao ye

[@lanishot]

family jewels 😭

[@Blasho950]

When they're literally mostly fat tissue XD

[@roobe3501]

I’m a male writer, and I was worried at first going into this video that I had fallen into some of these “men writing women” stereotypes- But this is cartoonishly dumb

[@lucaskincanyon7393]

That’s what I’m saying lmfao same here.

[@FezSaturn]

Same. Stuff like this makes me kind of proud of my writing.

[@MALICEM12]

Yeah a lot of those spaces on Reddit is literally just women complaining about men being attracted to them at all

[@roobe3501]

@@MALICEM12 I dunno man, the descriptions in these videos are pretty unsettling.

[@Void_Out]

@@roobe3501 In this video and others, yeah, cause sometimes men do write stupid stuff. But the subreddit itself does seem to just hate men actually, whether the criticism is justified or not.

[@GeekInSequins]

Re: the second one: I think the author was trying to describe what is called a Morton's toe. It just means that the second toe sticks out further than the big toe. Some people might consider it elegant because the ancient Greeks did, so it features a lot in their art.

[@cryingwatercolours]

this and iirc these are sometimes called ballet toes?

[@Mel_Bat]

it probably fits in certain shoe types better

[@Sevencatsinatrenchcoat]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking Side note: This video is literally the only reason I realized I have Morton's toe

[@lillybell3942]

Omg, I have that and so does my dad side of the family. I never knew it had a name 😅.

[@ssaintdolli]

yess i have this!

[@akiakichan]

I was actually in awe of how long the description of the chubby girl went on for 😭

[@lillibrowning2082]

ikr???

[@Rachel-fi4sc]

All without actually saying anything about her!

[@Damian_is_Delusional]

IKR??? IT JUST KEEPS GOING LIKE BESTIE. SHES FAT AND PRETTY WE GET IT. THE ONLY ONE THIS SHOCKS IS U APPRENTLY LOL

[@RadiantSharaShaymin]

I was wondering 2 things while she was reading it: How long does this actually go? Are we going to learn *anything* about her, the center of our focus? Honestly I'm almost impressed by how far off track the narrator got. And I thought my train of thought didn't have a track to follow.

[@SleepyHollowKnight]

Is your pfp nagito?

[@flyingcow8171]

As a guy who plans to write women characters I am very appreciative for these examples of what not to do

[@lucaskincanyon7393]

That’s what I’m saying lmfao.

[@NSMP10]

Bro same

[@astarinthesky15]

Hope you reach the success, mate🎉

[@KooblyK]

I get what you're saying, and that's good you're going to be conscious of it. But also I mean... If you're planning to write any sort of fiction whatsoever, it would be weird if you weren't writing female characters? It doesn't have to be a Thing. You just...write regular people, you know?

[@beepboop2803]

⁠​⁠@@KooblyK it’s not necessarily weird if he wrote yaoi smut… for example…

[@drawingbluejay7938]

The first description made my jaw. Hit. The. Floor. What a gross way to talk about someone who's malnourished or going through an eating disorder.

[@Lynnywhereuat007]

It really is disgusting! You would think they have never been anywhere near a woman. Let alone have a wife.

[@YetiCat28]

It was the third one for me, jesus.

[@macarronescontomateyqueso]

​@@YetiCat28 i mean... it's murakami lol

[@dtly50]

The girl needs help. The guy needs help. Well screw it I need help. I feel like throwing up. And I am a guy.... elp

[@_thirtyseven]

As a man, I expected some of the things to be more mild, like “woman character behaves in a way that women don’t act irl” but I never expected a chest to be described as TWO PUPPIES DRAGGING LEASHES IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS 😣

[@SteamWolf320]

Same lol I was definitely in for a surprise.

[@narcosis1507]

i think he was just trying to be creative with his description

[@AUBREY-ml4ex]

​@narcosis1507 Most likely but there's a difference between being creative and straight up being weird 😭

[@Expiredmayonnaise-_-]

REAL JUST SAY BIG BREASTS😭😭😭😭

[@sahaafa9082]

​@@AUBREY-ml4ex я сомневаюсь в этом...

[@ChaoticPerson22]

I love how chill and quiet she is. She doesn’t make me jump out of chair like other KZbinrs, screaming “HEY GUYS!!!” It’s just really calming no matter what she’s talking about.

[@teetheatersanonymous]

Aside from misogyny, I think the other problem plaguing these writers is trying to be too creative/unique when describing conventionally attractive women, which is how we get horrifying stuff like the puppies and ballooned legs

[@anessaleonard730]

At least it's not boring, gotta keep readers attention somehow.

[@zoro115-s6b]

Yea these mostly seem to happen when you get a cursed intersection of a burning need to make it clear to the audience how attractive this woman is and a terrible inability to write decent descriptive prose.

[@SteamWolf320]

I try to describe my characters as parts of their appearance become relevant (like if a character messes with their hair or something). There’s no reason to describe every last single detail in a huge fancy paragraph.

[@RadiantSharaShaymin]

I can understand wanting to be creative, but it's almost like a competition to see who can write the most disturbing and objectifying image. Like... if you know Pokemon's dex entries, it's kind of like that but with a much worse goal.

[@nikkiofthevalley]

​@@SteamWolf320That probably makes for a more immersive experience, too, as it fits the order you'd notice stuff in if you were actually standing there and looking at the person.

[@TheOiIedOne]

How these men describe women is wild.

[@slevinchannel7589]

Nothing wrong with enjoying this video here but maybe a little action so the ''''situation''' becomes better would be neat to also do. So it's more than just conumption plus laughing at how crazy the world is. I mean, for example, theres a report-button and oversexualization-of-minors and lots of content that profits from it directly. You can literally search for 'Anime Teen boobs' and get results; ut hey, counterpoint to all i said: inaciton is the single most easiest to justify action

[@ethanvol7440]

supposed to describe women these blokes straight up described their corn fetishes 😭

[@jessy1982]

It's terrifying, its like we arent human.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@jessy1982 You do nothing against sexism so what's your point? I'm embarassed about the Failiure of KZbin's report-system. Not sure that's unique to any Country but i have a habit of reporting Entertainment that entertains with teen-tits or any of the sort; animated or not; and it basically never works. Though thats probably a mater of 'lacking strength in numbers' If any Country at least had strict guidelines blatantly demanding 'No Fanservice shall use Minors in any Capacity' than maybe we wouldnt have trillions of results if you just search-up 'Anime Teen-Tits get fondled, hehe'. Say what you want about my success-rate BUT AT LEAST IM DOING SOMETHING. So i ask pointblank: Wanna help? Want me to tell you some channel oversexualizing the cr-p outta CHILDREN and TEENS so you can costtt-free report/flag them?

[@AuroraBorealis249]

​@@jessy1982 The amount if men that dehumanise women will truly terrify you

[@docterfantazmo]

Christ, the third one just kept GOING. She's just pretty, dude, put ya brain back in the jar.

[@osmacar5331]

Yes Redditors should.

[@spideygaming2001]

Nah ot was a fetish

[@Spooqi]

"She was fat. And she was fat. She was also fat. By the way she was fat. She was fat too" OH MY GOD WE GET IT

[@Emz_yelevele]

It was fat fetish. The "wolfing down food" and gluttony parts were feederism 100% The fixation on her being fat is also part of it I'M SORRY Y'ALL, IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING UNABLE TO WRITE A BEAUTIFUL BUT FAT WOMAN.. THE FAT WAS PART OF THE ATTRACTION.

[@KooblyK]

It was translated from Japanese. They have very strict beauty standards there, so it wasn't a fetish, necessarily. More just pointing to a part of his society that doesn't really make much sense, and expressing his confusion over the disconnect between what he felt sometimes and what society tells him he's supposed to feel. Or not supposed to, in this case. It was also intentional by the authors part.

[@Taradoxxi]

The first one is genuinely sending me into a homicidal rage

[@luraymoondust]

Same

[@st4rdyy]

Same, even worse they didn't care to mention about the facial features or personality, really says a lot.

[@ki.44524]

same especially when ive been hospitalised for an ed

[@mer_acle8101]

not just you babe, not just you

[@chimera9818]

As a straight aspiring author man some of them feel like something I question if the writer even had common sense and pass my female characters descriptions through my mom to see there is no objectification i didn’t notice

[@Sizzlesubs]

0:14 me listening to this “HELP HER!!!”

[@ReichanK]

I can only imagine the first girl possibly somewhat realistically if she was someone who had breast enhancement surgery but starved, so now it's like those skeletons who still have their silicone implants still around after post-decomposition.

[@gachaloseruser]

It was body horror, it could be!

[@Goldfish_Brain]

I’m convinced these men went on the sims and made their dream girls and then implemented them into writing because that’s the only way I can imagine these poor girls were created 😭

[@lillibrowning2082]

that's an amazing video concept, making r/menwritingwomen in sims

[@Goldfish_Brain]

@@lillibrowning2082 if I make a video about it, I’d have to download even more mods bc the proportions exceed sims boundaries (which is how you know it’s crazy)

[@TamWam_]

​@@lillibrowning2082I need to watch videos of this, then actually making the Sims try have normal lives 💀

[@victoriab7148]

Sims doesn't even have the options for such weird proportions (without mods) 😂

[@WickedQueenKenz6]

I like how the "chubby" girl thing was basically "I like chunky women????? how is this possible??? shes not supposed to be pretty and chunky at the same time????"

[@wbwam7710]

"big toe aristocratically shorter" is from the belief that having a second toe longer than the first is a sign of nobility

[@EnRandomSten]

Yeah, we call it results of inbreeding lol

[@mixdoesstuff1309]

Damn guess I’m an aristocrat now

[@kyupin1075]

yeah that's what I thought but the text in passage literally says "shorter than the others" so I can see why that would be confusing lol

[@Lynnywhereuat007]

Just imagine if woman wrote men in the same way. “One of his testacles was fairly larger than the other. You could tell by looking at the bulge in his shorts that one was about to slip out.”

[@wbwam7710]

@Lynnywhereuat007 I don't think this particular thing is just for women. I'm a dude, but someone recently said I have "noble feet" because mine are like this.

[@DewWithFloof]

Sometimes i genuinely think men have never seen a female being

[@BlitzsCyanide]

No cause how would someone with brittle bones walk around with such a chest??

[@garbageenthusiasm4588]

Honestly I feel bad for these men. I can't even imagine the Lovecraftian beings they must be surrounded by

[@alexisdied4558]

​​@@BlitzsCyanide I have no clue I mean look at photos of anyone who's arorexic or just really really thin. Either there's absolutely nothing there or really really small Their back and entire body would break

[@BlitzsCyanide]

@@alexisdied4558 plus the ankles!!! It's probably horrible to walk down stairs!

[@79bigcat]

There's also a women writing men subreddit in the same vein as this. Not as big, but the descriptions are no less deranged. Sometimes the picture in your head doesn't translate to words easily.

[@chfgn]

9:42 I hated every word of this and my life was markedly better before I heard it. I used to live in a world where it was possible that nobody had ever assembled these exact words in this exact order and now I know that can’t be true.

[@MargaretS-e1g]

I feel like most of these are writers just trying to see how asinine their descriptions can get while staying publishable.

[@Igettoosillysometimes]

I'm sure that you can describe someone as looking like a chair with HUMONGOUS BAZOOKAS and still pass

[@RadiantSharaShaymin]

I remember hearing that sometimes movies will put in really weird stuff just so that, when it's being checked for a rating, the parts they want to include don't look as bad. Then just cut out the comparison fodder if they can. (Don't know how true it is though.) That said, I'm going to tell myself that's what these people were doing. It's genuinely funny to me if that's the case.

[@Dressup_Doll]

@@RadiantSharaShayminAllegedly, the ATLA team pitched some very adult outfits for “The Beach” so they could use the actual designs that are in the episode.

[@RadiantSharaShaymin]

@@Dressup_Doll I would NOT have wanted to be the one to design or pitch that. The Beach is the one with Zuko/Mai/Azula/Ty Lee, right? Aren't they under age?? I know I'm really bad at guessing age but it feels wrong regardless :(

[@Customized_Kuromi]

"Why are we down there in the toe zone" is amazing.

[@zycralilo4525]

The tozone layer

[@IrregularityRowan]

The legosphere

[@TamWam_]

​@@zycralilo4525LMFAO

[@JunkstHat3605]

@@zycralilo4525💀

[@bajojajo69]

Dude has an obvious foot fetish 💀

[@terrastarr6850]

She's such a good artist, these whackass descriptions barely matter cause this video is full of great art anyway lol it's astonishing

[@Midnightlunar10]

That last girl was like something out of a harem because OH MY GOD

[@Mossy_Rock1]

average Webtoon girl…

[@phantomhive0521]

It made me think of elastic girl but with a bigger chest

[@P1C0SL3FTF00T]

The toes made me want to sob. AND THE FACT THAT THE ONE DUDE SPENT LIKE TWO PAGES YAPPING ABOUT FAT WOMEN?????

[@ivanthaboi]

Bro just kept going like how tf does one find THAT many reasons to be confused about fat women?

[@ReeseAugust]

The thing with that one is that it's almost too funny to even be offensive, like this man is just SO confused about the existence of fat women. Also the description of him imagining her eating habits was the funniest part like WHAT

[@TheripistThatNeedsTherapy]

When the guy says he imagines her wolfing down food has me anger, this is why I hate eating around people!!

[@loonytredecim]

12:09 The Idea that i can give guys an existential crisis just by existing makes me feel powerfull.

[@Saga_Anserum]

Confusion Aura (15 m radius): If a man is thinking absolutely wacky problematic thoughts about you, they take 5 Psychic Damage per second

[@valentinmitterbauer4196]

Jokes on you, i already get an existental crisis just by existing myself.

[@ivanthaboi]

​@Saga_Anserum i see that it's the same kind of stand as star platinum

[@Ihate_Eels]

I dunno, the boob descriptions always just weird me out more than anything. "Breasted boobily" is something I thought i could go my whole life without hearing

[@amethyst_cat9532]

Exactly! I have never seen these descriptions in any story where the woman's bust size is at all relevant. If you need to make your POV character seem horny or perverted, just mentioning them is enough, their exact shape and size doesn't matter

[@neon_honkai]

I physically cringed hearing that😭

[@Thedaisyda1sy]

Breasted boobily 😭😭😭

[@venom_1072]

Like these descriptions most likely make it here because of the boob descriptions but it just feels so wrong that every single one of these describe the characters tits but won't talk about hair or eye color or their face it's weird and gross

[@Rilesjean]

Okay but "breasted boobily" is so funny?? I randomly say it for no reason sometimes

[@themintycafe5208]

15:05 Bro, the writer just gotta say "She got big boobs" and move on, like DAMN 😭

[@eMorphized]

Typically I don't see size first. The first thing I'd see would be shape or effect on clothing. I would notice a big forehead before a big head in general. But maybe that's just me. So maybe the writers are trying to make the reader see shape before size in that way?

[@dr.stronk9857]

“I didn’t know this was a beauty standard I’m supposed to be insecure about” is a hilarious quote

[@SageIsADummy]

One the second one the “Stop staring at my boobs!!” Song kept replaying in my head. Specifically the “chest puppies” part 😭

[@SageIsADummy]

*On

[@Maxi-Gonz.]

_“Oh, these…?”_

[@dashfire3185]

@Max Gon, are you being horny or is that a Telepurte reference?

[@AdorableFennec]

The Shoulder Boulders animation meme song

[@__Zeniii__]

REAL

[@the-postal-dude]

i've heard that usually breasts are some of the last things to go when losing weight, but if your "ribs can be counted through your shirt" ... i highly doubt it'd survive unless you have implants

[@gachaloseruser]

For me if it’s a tight shirt you can see my ribcage, but not count them. Thats anorexia. Or death. But it was a medical book

[@harvygilligan863]

My weight naturally fluctuates a lot and the boobs are always the first to go. Every body is different, but ...yikes

[@the-postal-dude]

@@harvygilligan863 i believe i heard it when looking up reference images for women with a large chest. as you said, every body's different, maybe that was an outlier. or vice versa.

[@ki.44524]

if youre malnourished to the point of BONES like the first girl, there is no way any part of your figure will be full, it will be shrivelled and flat

[@anessaleonard730]

I did have a friend who fit this description back in high school. Her home life wasn't great when it came to food. She had hips and breasts but was malnourished. This body type is out there, just depends on the home situation and I'm glad that she's healthier now and out of that home now.

[@dominiklehn2866]

I dont understand why so many authors metion boobs at all. Like... unless theres something abnormal about them that draw the eye, The only point youre making is that your POV character is letting their gaze drift a little too sexually

[@JustBuyTheWaywardsRealms]

I would find it funny if someone described the penis bulge of a male character for 2 page.

[@dillemaaaa23]

5:23 Actually, it does happen sometimes, known as a 'greek foot', although usually it's only the second toe that's longer than the big one. I think that is why it was described as being aristocratic. Either way, great vid as always, Haley!

[@clockworkpotato9892]

Looked it up, Wikipedia refered to it as "Morton's Toe."

[@dillemaaaa23]

@@clockworkpotato9892 Oh, sorry about my mistake then.

[@clockworkpotato9892]

@@dillemaaaa23 not a mistake, just another name

[@dillemaaaa23]

@@clockworkpotato9892 ok then, thanks

[@poseidons_child.]

A great male writing woman correctly author is literally Rick Riordan. I love his representation with having queer, poc, straight, gay, fat, skinny, and like all his characters different ways. I was reading his one newer book Daughter of the Deep and the main character half way through the book the main character gets her period AND SHE ACTUALLY EGTS CRAMPS AND THEYRE ACTUALLY JUST LIKE MY BEST FRIENDS CRAMPS AND IT WAS SO COOL AND I GOT SO HAPPY SEEING REPRESENTATIONS

[@ayyymacaroni]

The way he, a (presumably) straight + cis guy wrote Alex Fierro was actually so cool. I love Rick so so much. If it turns out that there's a controversy with him I will be devastated.

[@klutzykaya6439]

​@@ayyymacaroniYEAAAAAH ALEX FIERRO MENTIONED

[@cabin7slytherpuffempath]

Agreed, Uncle Rick may not always get it right (case in point, Piper) but it never feels like he isn't TRYING.

[@user-zg1wm7fj9t]

@@ayyymacaroni I'll upset you, but there was controversy around him

[@klutzykaya6439]

@@user-zg1wm7fj9t wait what'd he do 😭

[@PawnObserver]

4:32 Is it supposed to be characteristically? I'm not sure how the big toe suddently became Archduke Franz Ferdinand or smth like that just because it's tiny.

[@FruitOfTheFold]

i love this type of video, they always looks so goofy and the way they describe woman is so crazy sometimes 😭

[@Birbzz]

offtopic but HOLLOW KNIGHT PFP. MASSIVE W

[@space_kat1]

dude the beginning has me actually terrified wtf 😭😭 THAT GIRL NEEDS TO SEE A DOCTOR ASAP

[@xiuehe]

11:28 this entire part was so.. nicely.. fatphobic?😂😂😂

[@janelle_is_pog]

See ok, I think you should do a reverse concept of this video, drawing how women describe men in books, but you'll have to scavenge cuz idk how many women could describe men this crazy 💀😭

[@poseidons_child.]

She do the characters from Be More Chill the book. Bro I’d don’t need to know Rich’s D size, Michae and Jeremy’s dandruff problems, Stephanie’s SH scars. Like girl wtf I was crying

[@poseidons_child.]

Should do*

[@The-Jettisoned]

​@poseidons_child. It was supposed to be a raw/raunchy book/play, it gives the characters dimension and shows mental health/ridiculous insecurities.

[@noddle4649]

İ thought that too but it might def be harder to find because i feel like a lot of the women writing men stuff (i havent looked at the subreddit so this is just a general observation) tend to mess up their characters more than their looks (CoHo 💀) and even if physical descriptions are off i dont think itd be that far. But then again i didnt actually look at the subreddit so i might be wrong too

[@the-postal-dude]

@@poseidons_child. i don't see what is wrong with the last two

[@justdort]

"Oh, and don't mind my tiny feet, it runs in the talkative family." This is like when guys think it's relatable to have absurd body mutations and are like 'That just makes her quirky and cute!'

[@LazyVoids]

8:06 "I didn’t even know this was a beauty standard I was supposed to be insecure about" is now my favorite quote for some reason 👍

[@CapriciousCobra]

With this first one, I could see that being a pretty good description of a specific plot point of body dysmorphia. She has starved herself and gotten implants to try to achieve this exaggerated standard of beauty. I don't know if that was intentional on the authors part, but they'd be a coward not to have that be the reason for such a character.

[@gachaloseruser]

It was written by a doctor and for a medical horror book, so it probably was.

[@pigpig9201]

@@gachaloseruserno, it was written by a journalist and writer for a love story.

[@anonomooose]

The only thing these videos have taught me is that men don’t know boobs are mostly fat and they are smaller when you are slimmer or work out a lot

[@SpaceMonkeyBoi]

The miracles of malnourishment??? 💀

[@allie_arts5672]

“Here’s Jolenta, she’s suffering” 😭😭😭😭

[@wolfieolfie]

10:00 this whole passage just reminds me of homöphobes who say they can’t stop imagining gay people in the bedroom 😭😭

[@B1aa06]

“Man, stop being gay! It’s like so distracting… I can’t stop thinking about you ******* my **** and you ****** me and ******” Then we ask who’s gay

[@kuno3336]

Sometimes I need a reminder that I'm a good writer. This video is that reminder, so thank you

[@Dressup_Doll]

Same. One of my readers doesn’t always convince me.

[@glampixie]

The fetishizing of anorexia is so dangerous.

[@supermaximglitchy1]

Just wait until you hear that tuberculosis used to be fetishised too

[@glampixie]

@@supermaximglitchy1 I’m aware. That deathly thin coughing up blood thing was really a turn on or something.

[@faultyparadise2493]

Do you feel the same way with the fetishization of fat people as well?

[@glampixie]

@@faultyparadise2493 obvious troll is obvious

[@glampixie]

@@faultyparadise2493 obvious troll is obvious

[@Sparkling34]

you're v-tuber randomly appearing halfway through the video was jarring. I mean I'm not upset I love to see a reminder of how fun your ghost cow c v-tuber design is

[@ahorseofcourse7283]

Oh god, you mean that thing wasn't meant to be an example of the wacko proportions she's making fun of? Awwwwwwkwarrrrrrrd!

[@Mystery_VA]

19:42 her poor back😭😭

[@Tickle-Monster333]

It’s always a good day when LavenderTowne posts 😌

[@Ali_uu7]

Bot

[@Tickle-Monster333]

Nuh uh

[@bookaddict1838]

I feel so sorry for Jolanta. My god, the back pain that woman must endure… not to mention not being able to carry more than her own weight, which I imagine could be annoying if she ever tries to live a normal life.

[@Dressup_Doll]

It’s a result of some twisted surgery. She can’t even walk normally in the books, and the POV character is apparently a creep.

[@Myrdin90]

I used to be in r/menwritingwomen. There are a lot of baffling and weird descriptions of women that rightfully deserves to be laughed at, but eventually I left that subreddit because it can't distinguish between when a male author is a weird freak, and when a male author intentionally wants you to think "wow, this character is a freak".

[@divalea]

Just at the first one, and I want to chancla all of these writers. The first book I encountered this in was COMA. COMA was a 1970s medical thriller WRITTEN BY A DOCTOR. The main character, a woman doctor, starts her day looking at herself in a mirror, naked, thinking about how she could’ve been a dancer, too. If you want some vintage stuff 7:50 , Robert Heinlein’s TIME ENOUGH FOR LOVE has awesome things like a woman who doesn’t get menstrual cramps (and is snotty about women who do), a woman who is “bald as a grape” (she shaves her parts), and on and on.

[@saphirestorm7952]

@@divalea In the second half that first one isn't unrealistic at all, I'm the exact same way (minus the being snotty towards people who do part)

[@willowstarfruit12345]

no fucking way, the writer doesnt even know what cramps feel like

[@Misted_Waffles_]

​@@saphirestorm7952Ya me too, I rarely get cramps, when I do though feels like I'm being murdered three times over.

[@ladylavender8847]

Ooooooffffff Lordy I’m gonna need to sit down. That’s just so much awful characterization and sexualization. 😭

[@lordarthur2165]

The beautiful fat woman part is definitely interesting... I love when people assume someone is fat because they eat too much and not because their metabolism is slow. This one is difficult to know if the author was actually self aware and using this to criticise this type of men.

[@Saga_Anserum]

it's honestly wild how often people feel entitled to tell fat people to "put down the fork." my guy you literally know *nothing* about this person's habits, their medical history, their current situation, how much motivation they have to get through life, etc. etc. and you feel entitled to tell them that? how do people even have that much arrogance

[@lordarthur2165]

@@Saga_Anserum agree, they act like they can tell what the person does by their appearance.

[@WooffzTheCoon]

Or sometimes people are fat just because of the way their body distributes weight. Theres a lot of ways to be fat that don’t include overeating

[@Sharkuterie327]

The author is clearly intentional about the POV of a man who is objectifying an overweight woman and has a lot of insecurity around sexuality. Just because an author writes a problematic POV doesn’t mean they agree with it personally.

[@chimera9818]

Honestly that’s just seem like describing a dude that attracted to fat body shape but he gone a little too long of the description

[@shad-the-lad]

ive recently been trying to lose my chest, as ive slowly been becoming trans masculine, and the fact you said that losing weight can make you lose your boob size, it honestly helps so much- people have always told me to just get surgery if i really want to lose my chest, but im horrified at the thought of having that done to my body in case i regret it, so what you said really helps!

[@stuchly1]

"I've slept with women before" is the most incel thing to say. "Im not a virgin I swear!" 🙈🙈🙈

[@tielerfrisk]

The first one kinda scares me 😅

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Remove the “kinda” and you’ve got my reaction.

[@tielerfrisk]

@@Aaa-vp6ug fair enough

[@ZurielKhemra]

​@Aaa-vp6uglmaoooo

[@Fazed_out]

14:22 in Japan, there’s very little of the population that is plump like in the story, which might explain how he’s confused

[@Fazed_out]

From what I know

[@niccalee]

#3's pov character is having a mental breakdown. I think an internal dialog like this can be a great way to show how a character thinks and later character development though.

[@niccalee]

Also, the woman is so cute. I love her.

[@Rosetintedwater]

That makes sense actually, the way she was described didn't exactly seem similar to the others. It was more of the MC point of view. Maybe that's why. But the amount of young beautiful fat woman said in that segment alone is criminal.

[@FrostedFlakes-oe4mn]

The feet descriptions always scare me like why u lookn?????

[@Imjustkendall]

Men REALLY want our big toes to be shorter than our other toes now???

[@elise7650]

fr, like, you gotta leave the toe zone

[@sampie23]

frr like why are you describing my toes with more detail than the actual plot???

[@poseidons_child.]

IM TERRIFIED OF HAVING MY CHARACTERS RAW DOGGING IT BECAUSE OF PEOPEL LIKE THIS LIKE YOU THINK MY IC TAYLOR WILL SLEEP BAREFOOT!? THINK AGAIN

[@MissMafi]

I don't think it's necessarily bad but it is kinda weird in wrong contexts, like if the characters just met and THIS is what they pay attention. But if they're in a beach wearing slippers is a good context to point out how the feet is

[@No1carescora]

7:03 WHEN SHE DREW THAT HAND SO EFFORTLESSLY WHATTTTT😭

[@deadlynightshade_art]

This is my favorite Lavendertowne series now 😂 it's perfect

[@elise7650]

the fat lady is so gorgeous you draw such beautiful people

[@catalinaargyriou8603]

she kinda had no choice but to make her gorgeous, pov-dude can't shut up about how she's beautiful and fat at the same time

[@eggowafffl]

14:31 for anyone wondering lisbeth salander was described as “so skinny you could mistake her for a teenage boy” and she was also described as “anorexic” and “beautiful” even though they said she looked like a young teenager, there were like a lot of comments on how she looked much younger than she was but in the original, it was kind of just “ she’s skinny and looks like a teenager lmao” Edit: she’s like 19 I think(?)

[@NevaehEvol]

i cannot express how hype i am by the inclusion of your vtuber model!!!! you were a huge catalyst for me pushing myself to build my own model, rather than getting it commissioned ♡ i genuinely would not be where i am today without that inspiration

[@ki.44524]

00:40 as someone who had an ED, yeah no they are NOT surviving

[@CheeseStick-fp3lm]

Me who makes 50% of my female characters have chests that being rivaled by their muscular guy friend: I need to step up my game..

[@nasinnarcotics]

Not to make this video about myself but a year ago I wouldn’t have been able to even listen to that first description without relapsing. Yay for my progress but fuck authors like that for perpetuating the issue

[@poseidons_child.]

I’m so proud of you for growing and getting stronger!!!

[@nasinnarcotics]

@@poseidons_child.I appreciate it 🫂 I wish you the best on whatever journey you happen to be on

[@vegetable_warmth]

The personal input is extremely welcome as far as I'm concerned! My hope is that by talking about how utterly absurd various beauty standards are in an approachable way such as LavenderTowne often does, healing can be fostered for individuals and for society at large. LT and other youtube artists have been a hugely important part of my own journey, both when directly calling out creeps and bigots, and when just doing speed draws of characters with various body types without any commentary whatsoever I defs wanna celebrate the progress that you have made, and the progress that an ever-increasing number of us are pushing for across the board! :^D

[@MiloMalk]

The big thighs and small calves remind me of chicken legs lol

[@poseidons_child.]

STOPPPPP

[@outtapocketcriminal]

Finger lickin good

[@EVELCATZ]

As someone with that leg type I can confirm I look like a chicken 😞😞😞

[@pikl368]

i find it interesting that the only normal and health looking one which is the "plump" woman literally confuses the man when he finds that he's attracted to her and has a crisis over it but all of the women who have been described as deathly skinny, really small feet and even smaller big toe and lastly the one that can't even stand up right because her proportions a so messed up she can't even stand up, OH NOOO THEIR COMPLETELY NORMAL AND HEALTH

[@Corvustheguy]

This is the enrichment my enclosure needed

[@luanita307]

The "beautiful fat woman" is too beautiful, I can't- you didn't need to go that hard but you did I am over here going auuga

[@writinggoose6059]

That first sounds intentionally horrifying. Like the description of a woman with bulimia who also underwent plastic surgery

[@ayayalgueewe9361]

4:25 I think the comment about the toe being smaller than the others is referring to Morton's toe? In French we also call it "Greek feet" so I guess there might have something to do with being "aristocratic" Edit: Wikipedia tells me it was idealized during the Renaissance because of Greek sculptures. The more you know!

[@quicksilveryt4000]

Isn't morton's toe just when the toe next to the big toe is slightly longer?

[@ayayalgueewe9361]

​@@quicksilveryt4000 Yeah it is, but honestly I can't see what they are taking about if it's not that, maybe poor phrasing or something?

[@quicksilveryt4000]

@@ayayalgueewe9361 The book says her big toe is shorter than ALL the rest, not just the one next to it, that makes it weird lol

[@acelurre]

If my family were not home, I would scream because WHAT ARE THESE- The visuals do not help my... what feeling is this? horror? Every time I look at the screen I throw my face into my elbow to avoid the destruction of my eyeballs. You're an amazing artist, but your interpretations scare me.

[@Goatman_Gamer]

3:04 Thank you for clarifying that. As a writer myself, I really appreciate it.

[@karo-kun2578]

"Its definately a little offensive" and "It seems insanely dehumanizing" about the same text back to back is a bit contradictory. The description of this guy's thoughts about fat women is straight up disgusting, even more so than the weird anorexic+melonboobs. Its all fetishization, but when its a fat girl its disgust in the mix too and the DANGER OF SLEEPING WITH HER ooooo scary. I cant help but wonder, is that text pure fiction or the actual thoughts of the author given a "its just a character so you cant complain!" voice. But I do love the visualized little confused guy 😂

[@LavenderTowne]

Yeah like I was trying to be diplomatic but it’s pretty bad lmao

[@ladysuperherolove]

It likely is the author, Haruki Murakami is very weird in how he writes about women, famously so,

[@marcog.verbruggen674]

​@@ladysuperherolove murakami is fucking weird in general tbf lmao

[@Your_local_bunny_friend]

10:06 What in the feeder fetish 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@SoZettaSlow]

Oh 100%, there's an extended section later in the book of this character eating an incredible amount of food and the POV character's fascination with it. It's not a bad book fwiw, Murakami is a really excellent author, but his strength is definitely not in writing women.

[@blueshadow914]

12:36 oh she's adorable, she's the cuddle puddle, every inch of her is perfect

[@tubbyqueen]

“chest puppies” taken literally lmfao 😭😭😭

[@ZurielKhemra]

Help what 💀💀💀💀💀⚠️💗