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[@Hromovlad1]

"Forcing the players to change class" And that would be the point at which I'd excuse my self and find a new DM

[@liamdalemon1525]

you know the ironic thing about the training is that THE NPCS MADE THE PLAYERS SKILLS *WORSE* BY TRAINING THEM!!!

[@BewarethePurpleOne]

Tbf, itd be an amazing story element to show how cruel and cookie cutter a kingdom was, showing you why a kingdom needed to be overthrown and letting you either follow along to defeat it using skills THEY taught you or taking them down with a class they thought was insignificant. Unfortunately... this dm was neither self aware enough nor creative enough to do that

[@cageybee7221]

@@BewarethePurpleOne that result could have been achieved by making the players multiclass (and giving them the extra level to do so) to represent what the academy forced on them but retaining their original classes and being able to use them later to fight the kingdom.

[@BewarethePurpleOne]

@@cageybee7221 Oh yeah absolutely. Whatever route they took, nerfing character stats and making them completely reliant on a bunch of op, uninteresting npcs was .. not the way to go

[@valeclaw1697]

Only exception i'd have on the changing class bit in any campaign would be agreed on before picking, and it would be Paladin. Or at worst, heavily penalizing them if they're not RPing in line with their oaths if it's meant to be RP heavy.

[@HUNTERKILLER20001]

"...my character and the sorcerer are stripped-" NOPE, I'm gone. Can't keep watching. As a DM, I find this disgusting and that man an insult to all DMs everywhere.

[@od3910]

It's very similar to real life rape if you think about it. Rape is about power and this dm is using this plot point to lord power over the characters who don't do what they say

[@heyfell4301]

@@od3910 Exactly. That's what makes it so disgusting. It is really hard to watch the video because of it, besides being interesting to see how evil and horrible a real person can be while DMing a RPG game.

[@alecmiller5296]

As a DM I’ve run some serious psychological horror campaigns and sessions that played on my players real life fears but I explained all of this before hand to them what is was going to be like and they were all okay with it and those stories got insanely scary and messed up and none of them even come close to whatever this fucking psycho in this videos story did

[@styrofoamcow6996]

If these were new dnd player I could very easily see them never coming back the game, wtf kind of fun fantasy story for your friends involves weird sex shit and rape? If you like weird sex shit at least have the common courtesy not to self righteously shove it down someone else's throat.

[@readein]

@@od3910 Why would you use a D&D campaign to depict "real rape"?

[@warwickthekingmaker7281]

You know, that guy totally had a crush on OP and wanted her to have a relationship with his proxy. Then he got upset when she instead had a relationship with someone else.

[@experiencemaster1743]

that and it's very clearly also just homophobia/sexism since both those things are present in this DMs world

[@chrispham6599]

He was HELLA projecting ]

[@queensharkeisha4479]

was OP a her? I just know the characters were yea?

[@ElFrogge]

Ehh he still is horrible

[@picallo1]

Probably exactly this. So many people get butt-hurt with RP romances. Its pretty awful.

[@fredericksaxton9782]

A rebellion arc totally would have saved that. "More realistic" Realistic how? Yknow what would have been more realistic? If the king couldn't kill everyone in one hit and the players were allowed to start a rebellion, because...rebellions are realstic.

[@marky6456]

Also an entire city being A ok with public gang rape. Like wtf is with this guy?

[@acenosce3334]

nobody wants realism in a fantasy game. If I were in charge, i'd have the rebels strike at the last minute and rescue the PCs, who would gladly join them. Said rebels in an alliance of kingdoms being jackbooted by the King who is actually an illegitimate tyrant and the true heir is the leader of the rebels.

[@stevenclark5173]

@Kristopher Chavez Could you please cite one or two historical examples of this. I've never heard of a society that was okay with public gang rape. Maybe like some of the Japanese troops during WWII but that's not the same thing.

[@nowayjosedaniel]

@@acenosce3334 Lots want realism. Realism is amazing. With that said, none of this was realistic in ANY way. Partly bc D&D is a garbage system which uses levels so it is impossible for a level 1 to best a level 20. In real life, a 3 year old could stab a grandmaster swordsman in the eye and kill him just the same as any warrior. That's realistic. In a realistic system, even the DMPC's could be killed by newbies. And would have been. Which would have caused the awful DM to do something equally awful to ruin the game, but different.

[@rustybungle]

@@nowayjosedaniel A 3 year old stabbing a grandmaster swordsman in the eye would not be realistic at all though...unless someone is wanting to be a hardcore edgelord. "Garbage system" that basically every single RPG game ever has been built on or around. By the time adventurers hit level 20, they are essentially in the realm of being a living god. Magic isn't real, do you have a problem suspending your disbelief when magic is involved in games? Civilian versus a crewman in a tank, civilian loses every single time without some sort of aid or divine providence...such a simple mental separation towards such a large illogical leap.

[@zerumsparklez9956]

Jesus. Just imagine if the whole repent thing HAD been a story trigger for some revolution arc. Could’ve saved the whole campaign. But nah, character rape.

[@TheMormonSorceress]

I'm beginning to think that games like this shows a person's true character. Just from that story alone gives me a vibe that he grew up in a very racist very religious zealot household with a rape fantasy. I hope people don't think the game is the problem but the people playing them.

[@cody4999]

I was thinking the same thing. Like "HERE'S WHERE THE DM IS GONNA SURPRISE US! They'll revert to their chosen classes and fight the power!" Nah...

[@anonguy772]

I would honestly have done that, even if my original plan differed, because I would have been like "Oh my god this is so much better than my original plan.... Welp fuck this shit, improv time, they better be ready for rebellion" Like brO IT FITS IN SO WELL CMON-

[@emilyarmstrong83]

Honestly, to make myself feel better, I'm going to pretend that in the future of that campaign OP's character and the sorceress eventually reunited, resurrected their friends, started that revolution, killed all the DMNPCs, helped changed things for the better, and then opened up a charming bed and breakfast and lived happily ever after, because fuck that ending and fuck that DM.

[@Arcticmaster1190]

It truly irks me how many great plot points and glory stories are lost to terrible DMing. It’s a shame, but hey, it’s up to good DMs (not to toot my own horn) to write those kinds of stories and pick up where it could have been. That’s the beauty of these horror stories- we learn where they fail.

[@only1one1me]

"It's a more realistic story hurr hurr" If I wanted realism like that, I wouldn't be playing dnd, now would I?

[@CidGuerreiro1234]

Not to mention that he was just using realism as an excuse to add unchecked rape to his story, which is not even realistic.

[@BlazingOwnager]

It completely stopped being realistic when the town square gang rape began. If they were just killed it'd been kinda messed up but that was a leap over the line.

[@alnu8355]

Table Top in general.

[@1CrypticNC]

There's a way to use rape in a DnD story to further a plot of some sort but I shouldn't involve the players and it shouldn't be some sort of projection of the DMs sex slave hentai fantasies. There are groups for that kinda shit, my friend has been interested in running one ((she's a woman btw)) but ya don't just ham fist it onto the players like that.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

"What do you mean fetish hentai isn't a perfectly faithful representation of real history?"

[@averykeene3257]

Rule of thumb: if sexism, racism, and homophobia are an essential part of your worldbuilding yet add nothing to the plot, maybe do some rewriting :)

[@ProfiteerProphet]

I mean, if the DM is very knowlegeable of these subjects and the party is cool with it, it could be an interesting exploration of the concepts, maybe even allowing people who would not experience these things to live it, even if a bit. But like, I would never try that. I would probably botch it, and tbh I only know like, a couple people who I'd trust with these heavy concepts.

[@shizachan8421]

@@ProfiteerProphet The problem starts when the DM clearly is in favor of those subjects and holds them as moral goods.

[@onix9818]

I usually have these things in my worlds in some way. However characters usually grow and become better unless they are essentially the villains and then it is up to the good people to stop them

[@shizachan8421]

@@onix9818 I think its important to go through it with the players though and see, if they are comfortable with handling these subject matters. There is always the possibility that there is a player who has dealt with these subjects in real life and currently rather would like to escape them in the moment.

[@onix9818]

@@shizachan8421 absolutely, inform the players first.

[@cthudo]

First half of the story: hey that's basically the plot of The Boys, could be a pretty cool setup Second half: WTF Ending: why are people like this?!?

[@-Sharky-]

He sounds like an incel or something

[@inky5574]

@@-Sharky- He probably was since he expected OP's character to be with his Fighter despite the fact she had no reason to and he basically blackmailed her and threatened her whole family if she didn't do what he asked.

[@zelsha]

Narcissistic basically World turn around them, view point and world direction. You can't change or predict anything because they WILL counter your actions instantaneously and just break everything you're trying to build just to prove the point. You're not playing with them, they're playing with you and you should be careful about this. It can even affect you mentally IRL

[@Azurefanger]

the plot about casters and thing like that being 2 class citizen and then the king using it was the top of the cake

[@mettatonex7221]

People are people. The gift of free will means that we will have a massive spectrum of personalities ranging from naive saint types to ignorant spiteful bigots.

[@andrewparsons2391]

HOW DARE THE PLAYERS NOT ENJOY THE OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH AND PRAISE THE FEATS OF PRINCE IAMSOAWESOME, HEIR TO THE GLORIOUS EMPIRE OF MYDICKISHUGE!?

[@annabella1650]

Well time to switch the channel to “screw your terrible DMing”, and add in an hour of “screw your game”.

[@nanajosh]

THEY SHOULD BE IN "AWW" AT MY GREAT RAPE PLAY SCENE AND THE PC'S SHOULD JOIN!!! I AM THE GREATEST STORYTELLER OF ALL TIME!!! AGREE OR BE RAPED!!!!

[@mrnefarious5752]

@@nanajosh Had to dislike.....I am chaotic.....I am just playing my character

[@NintendoDude360]

its dms like this who must have some sort of family conflicts and uses his dm powers to vent on everyone and everything. the pen in his dad's head must have been the outcome of the straw breaking the cammel's back

[@nvfury13]

You know...I might have an NPC like that in games I run sometimes, but they always turn out: 1) Evil. 2) Completely incompetent. 3) All their feats are actually a hireling’s acts. 4) They set up everything they ever faced.

[@TheAres1999]

I feel like if these Dungeon Masters could just be 30% more self aware, they would be crafting amazing adventures

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

Sorry but no amount of self awareness will ever make up for a person's inability to separate and control both their ego and their characters, as someone said on all things dnd some people just shouldn't be allowed behind the screen.

[@moosecannibal8224]

Genuinely think the OP's assumption that is was all a ploy to make them hate the DM NPC's and that they were gonna start a rebellion is a fantastic idea. bit slow to start probably, you'd have to let people know you're gonna let them be after a while so people don't assume you're a dick ahead of time, but the idea's sound enough if you did it right.

[@jamesprevatke5973]

Moose Cannibal yeah, while I was reading that, I immediately thought: Holy shit, I could do that!

[@annabella1650]

I’d say you’d need at least 50% more, and even then the writing wouldn’t necessarily make them easy to tolerate.

[@Jermbot15]

I dunno. This didn't seem like that great of a campaign. The concept was derivative, the NPC's failed miserably at their intended purposes, and they got to level 10, I'll repeat that, they went from 1 to 10, without seeing the campaign change significantly or their place in the world alter. These sound like great players with alot of experience and what good came from the campaign, probably came from them.

[@WinterPains]

Man, the whole Mass Rebellion that OP thought was gonna happen sounds like a great story. I think I'll store that away.

[@sigma2653]

I literally have that in one of my campaign ideas. It's generic, it's a cliche but boy does it work.

[@thegrandxbunny2073]

A fine addition to the collection.

[@zangfang1]

Listening to these stories I finally realize why people write LGBTQ friendly in r/lfg all the time, apparently I was ignorant to think people were accepting by default

[@sarafontanini7051]

sadly, there are a LOT of terrible, awful, horrendous people in the world

[@miguelangelthomas5154]

I still want to see a super cool gay villain that isn't rapey. I wish people would stop making things like race and sexuality such big deals when they can be used for so much NARRATIVE.

[@Blazin130]

I'm not a fan of LGBTQ+ (or however far it has progressed now) but I don't care either way whether they play in my games or whether there are gay characters in the setting. Sure, NPCs in some settings - particularly those with a more "traditional" realistic approach will discriminate against the *character* but I'd never make said NPCs discriminate against a Player. There has to be a disconnect between who is playing the game, and their characters - and those who can't make that disconnect aren't welcome at any of my tables. It's the whole point of a "role-playing" game.

[@helpcryinggato5987]

@@Blazin130 I dont know why but i find it odd that you say "im not a fan of lgbtq+", cuz its okay to be not interested, but saying "im not a fan of them" sounds... homophobic in a way. it could be me though. 🤷‍♀️

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@helpcryinggato5987 It's not just you, but only because the alphabet people have worked hard to make the LGBT community synonymous with being a gender or sexuality minority. It isn't. The LGBT community has committed to several political and social agendas that many LGBT people find abhorrent. Someone objecting to the LGBT community's agenda is not necessarily homophobic. They could just dislike throwing temper tantrums over pronouns or open, wanton displays of depravity.

[@FatedGamer]

"You guys are just snow flakes" *runs to the store owner* "They don't want to be my friends" ;-;

[@ozmul5810]

Yah I though that was Ironic too!

[@smashedmelon3156]

" you just snow flakes" *literally either cut the relationship or be defied by the whole town* He really expected no one to get mad? Like in what world?

[@Gilphon]

Like Crab said, calling somebody a snowflake is something that says a lot more about you than it does about the person you're talking to. It's almost universally used to the most fragile assholes you'll ever meet.

[@vampierlobster5660]

"Mom they won't let me play"

[@ivian8425]

@@smashedmelon3156 Ehhh, it sounds kinda like loads of the Dystopian novels. That one about the Brotherhood with a couple being permanently separated in the end because they broke down under torture. The one about the society where everyone is encouraged to be happy (ie. By having intercourse with anyone who's happy with you), with lab babies being the norm, and where the end of the story has one of the characters hanging himself in a... Chapel? I can't recall the names of either but yeah. It'll work great as a book. As an interactive game? Nah, duck that crap.

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

Y’know, the whole “the DMPCs are actually wrong” thing sounds legit interesting. Imma use it!

[@raditzace]

I'm running a game where I have a "gm"pc (there are 2 players, so I made him just to make a team of healer, melee, and smooth talking rouge). He has been guiding them, helping them learn how the world works, and how to think about things. Unfortunately, they've become too reliant of my pc, so I'm going to invoke the twist a bit earlier than planned. Long story short: the group we are kicking the hornets nest of was founded by him, but because of how they've changed, he had to become what he hated [an adventurer]. Then, the party gets to choose how to handle my character. They can kill him, or let him go. If they let him go, he will give them his gear, and a book about the group's plans. This gives the players choices and shows them I'm not upset. After all, he was only meant to get thee players feet wet and used to the game, not a crutch.

[@gizunoglunmig0801]

Just be careful make sure to reward your players!

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

I will.

[@lizzy532]

I actually use DMPCs pretty much for all of my games that all serve different purposes. However, I've had the habit to, if they're not too story central, to just be there to make the PC's lives much easier for them. However, I've always had the ones that were plot relevant fall into, my words here, the "unfortunate big bad" where the character was nice and likeable, but do to the circumstances, had to be dealt with as enemy in order to complete their quest. I always found it compelling that two sides that have no inherent ill will towards another have to fight because that's just how the situation plays out. Makes it less "bad guy versus good guy" and can be very emotional.

[@Zeithri]

Here's an interesting idea I've had; Have the players do the usual stuff from adventuring, quests, beat the baddie, and basically get knighted or something by the Kingdom. Highest honors and all that and now they are a part of it. Then that arc is 'done', have them make new characters, taking place some 10-20 years later or so, the world is a more darker place more oppression, and as the characters move along, they realize this world came to be because of their old characters, and their characters are now the villains of the story. It's taking the quote of " _You either die a hero or live long enough to see you become evil_ ". Technically this isn't nothing new to the world of story telling. Star Wars did the same with Darth Vader after all. Hell, you could even have one of the characters be a child of one of the old characters, and one of the old characters could be a mentor, having seen the signs and went into hiding to train the new characters later on. Lots of potential here.

[@vidyastuff3509]

"More realistic story" Think this guy's watched too much hentai.

[@andrejg4136]

Which is funny because it's meant as deliberate flights of fancy (how's that for an understatement) for things that'd get you ostracized, arrested, or straight up killed.

[@animeotaku307]

The cowards who claim that they add rape because it’s “more realistic” should be adding dysentery, too. If you want to add lurid descriptions of someone holding down a woman and having their way with her, I’d better see the same treatment with someone constantly pooping and having abdominal pains after drinking tainted water.

[@Order-si7nd]

@@animeotaku307 rape as a punishment was never a thing rape after a city or village was conquered yes but then why not add the need to shit why not add the need sleep why not add the need of materials need to make and maintain a country why not because he just wanted rape

[@inky5574]

I'm pretty sure his definition of "realistic story" are from edgy 2000s anime like Elfen Lied and When They Cry

[@animeotaku307]

@@inky5574 Even those have better structure and restraint than what he came up with.

[@sampletext5959]

How I would’ve saved the campaign: “Among the crowd throwing fruit, a single rock flew up above. But, it wasn’t heading for the PC’s. In what felt like the longest 5 seconds of your life, the king was hit square in the forehead by the seemingly random rock. He fell over, motionless on the floor, causing the royal guard to start infighting, causing one to trip over the fallen king’s head and further crushing his face under the heel of his metal boot. The crowd erupts into a wild frenzy, realizing that this was the chance they never thought they would get. A chance to avenge every wrong the king had done to them. A chance to be the heroes in this story. A chance... to revolt. The magical stocks that bound you suddenly feel nowhere near as restrictive as they were before, and, in an instant, the suppression of your magic is lifted. Four of the royal guards cut you loose of your stocks, and instruct you to do one simple thing: *Get your items and RUN.* You now have the keys to the chests that hold all of your items.”

[@inky5574]

Or this: "It's nighttime and everyone's a bit off and weary about what the king did and some are questioning his rule, but not outright as they're afraid of him and the "heroes". The hero OP's character met those years ago visits her while she's still tied explaining to her why she should've chosen him and how he's grown "attracted" to her. She spits in his face and he leaves. 2 creepy and sketchy individuals come up with bad intentions until they're knocked out by a guard, maybe one of the instructors at the school. He explains that they should get out of the capital outside the city and to go to a secret location where there's a supposed rebellion. He also explains how he's been screwed over by the heroes at one point when one of them took advantage of his daughter when she attended the academy and threatened to have him and his family executed if he told anyone when he found out. And the rest goes from there." How about that?

[@benjaminthibieroz4155]

@@inky5574 not bad at all

[@vehicleunhandler]

mine is :This caused a portal and group of people with an outfit that is like the modern say military with a snow pattern and one of them with a radio pack starts going in the kingdom upon seeing the party and the crowd of people they proceed to fire few warning shots and the squad leader said "Either You disperse Or i'll finish the job here." This alerted the guards but the soldiers immediately open fire the squad leader shouted "Get them out of here, Now!" As more cartridges ejected from their carbines and the sound of gun fire "THEY THINK THEY CAN BEST US? THEY WON'T EVEN GET CLOSE TO US!" one of the soldiers shouted and they see the king there running away "I got this." as you heard a mildly distorted voice and the king falls down after a loud sound a hole can be seen through his head and that voice again saying "Target down, Waiting for next orders.

[@vehicleunhandler]

A man in a patterned hood and cloak no he was wearing a shemagh and with a respirator on his face with a strange vest he charged into the crowd and you see that he pulled out 2 submachine guns aiming at the guards filling them with holes after the first burst comes out and he looks back for more guards and the crowd throws fruit at him which he says "You guys really wanted death? Fine let me show you a new way." and he shoots at the crowd directly they are dropping like flies he sees the king and he screams "HEY DO YOU KNOW WHAT ARE BULLETS?!" and he focus fires on the king the king was gravely wounded but he did not stop he gets a desert eagle out and BANG BANG 2 other guards head had exploded he releases the party members and kicks the door down finding the king with his machete out he reached to the top and the party hears "YOU WON'T ESCAPE DEATH NOW, YOU MADE IT WORSE" as he violently slams his head against the wall and cuts his guts up and other brutal sh*t idk "Guns don't kill people, I do, And I aim at people who needed it"

[@alexhb7949]

Its too late to save it at this point

[@thatlycantomboy]

“My character and the sorcerer had this flirty little antagonistic relationship” Me: Awwww... *remembers the crab’s warnings* Oh. OH. AAAAHHHHH

[@mqfii8992]

It reminds me of the time I did an LGBT+ character on accident. To keep it brief. On a campaign I did a Dragonborn Fighter, he and the Halfling Thief got along merrily well. When the campaign was on the verge of reaching its climax, when the stakes were the highest, shorty called me to a one on one conversation In private. Shorty confessed his feelings for my Big Buff Lizard. We were all taken aback (both In and out of game), after a little pondering, I asked a D20 from the DM. I asked the Halfling's player to call out either odd or even. He chose even and called it right. Thanks to that, my Lizard reciprocated Shorty's feelings. At first, we were the butt of jokes, but soon enough, the players and DM warmed onto our PCs, since they formed a rather cute couple. It was certainly a refreshing experience for me as a player.

[@parthinaxe]

MQF II THIS IS THE CUTEST THING EVERRRRRRR

[@MrGlies]

@@mqfii8992 I really love how you handled that. "I don't know if my character might be bi or gay, lemme roll the dice and we'll find out!"

[@FerreTrip]

@@mqfii8992 Holy crap, that is FANTASTIC. Serious props to you if you're not LGBT+ yourself for going outside your comfort zone. Serious props anyway for taking it like a man and being respectful to the other player.

[@howdoilogin]

Remember when TTRPGs were about playing a game and not about inserting your fetishes into other peoples' faces? By the way, the DM lowered the player's stats and changed their class, nobody left the game, and then he unironically ran a campaign to persecute the gay characters? It's called "fake and gay", otherwise known as "pics or it didn't happen". Ever since ShitCrab set up this gay subreddit it's nothing but stories that belong on r/ThatHappened. I'd believe this story more if it ended with "and then everyone on the bus stood up and clapped".

[@commandervulkan]

Wait... you're a second class citizen for knowing magic/being a caster But the fucking king is a caster

[@cv2541]

"well you see, he's actually a very powerful sword fighter that became so powerful he can alter reality!!!!!!!!! and with his mind too!" or "he's the king, he does wtf he wants now shut up" would have been his answers tbh

[@acreativename7999]

Ah the North Korea hair affect at play i see

[@NecromancyForKids]

To be fair, there are more than a couple of examples of rulers oppressing people like themselves, but being exempt from it themselves, because ruler.

[@ShinFahima]

@@NecromancyForKids Even in fairly modern history. Like, H!tler's mom was Jeuish.

[@brickofbruh1236]

Not to mention, he was saying that arians were the "master race," when he in fact was not arian.

[@Zeithri]

Gotta love that when people call others snowflakes, they are more often, the biggest snowflakes. If he had been a good Game Master, he would had given the players far more freedom, and not force them to nerf stats and shit. Have them dual class if anything, that'd actually make sense like a Barbarian that gets to learn the finer arts of finesse like in the 1984 Conan the Barbarian movie. Or that character that came to my mind in the Sparhawk hexology of books whose name I cannot remember, but he was a Knight wielding a two-handed "Mean-looking axe", that's something one easily can assume is Barbarian/Knight dual class. And then, a whole town rape them wtf? Well, this person clearly had issues as we heard by the ending.

[@liamdalemon1525]

DM: your just being snowflakes! Player: says the guy who makes all of their DMPC's at no less than maximum level

[@sarafontanini7051]

I hope he enjoys prison! Because that's probably where he's going after stabbing his dad, the psycho

[@bepisthescienceman4202]

If it was realistic people would set up a rebellion against the guards for how dehumanising the punishment is

[@harls7066]

I will not lie, I do want to do a dark campaign sometime, but with a discussion with the entire group. Talk about what is an absolute no or PTSD trigger to be sure you will not hurt anyone. People like this have no business DMing, or really being around people.

[@papasscooperiaworker3649]

Yeah, like personally as someone with PTSD, I'd be okay with having traumatic stuff in a story, but I know other people with PTSD wouldn't feel the same way... which is why we should have a discussion about anything needed to be discussed before playing. It's just basic kindness.

[@sci7zo]

Discussion is important above all else but just dont have sexual assault. There is literally no reason to use it as a plot device in a tabletop game.

[@trollfarmergoestowashington]

@@sci7zo you can't stop rape from existing

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

@@trollfarmergoestowashington No but you can keep it out of dnd.

[@BellaOfBaritone526]

@@trollfarmergoestowashington You can stop it from existing *in the campaign*. In fact, deciding what does and does not exist in the campaign is pretty much the core responsibility of the DM. When I DM, rape absolutely doesn't exist. If I want players to experience consequences for something, I come up with something else, then ask myself: - "Is it fair?" - "Is it engaging?" - "Will it further the plot or their PC's character growth?" If I answer "no" to any of those questions, it's not a worthwhile consequence. Unless you have a table full of incels, at least one person will be uncomfortable and will disengage to avoid future discomfort, so rape always gets a "no" to the second question. In most cases, it often gets a 'no' to the first and third questions too.

[@thewhompingwampa2671]

"The last we heard of him was that he was in trouble for _stabbing his dad in the head with a pen after getting into an argument with him."_ Excuse me but *what the actual fu-*

[@KentaroMiyamoto21]

Says a lot, don't it?

[@agentwest8853]

just in trouble gonna get detention for that one, he's in a bit of trouble, he just stabbed his dad in the head with a pen

[@Guntank]

@joshtube9 BOOTLEG John Wick, as the real one uses a pencil rather than cheat with a pen. So this DM is John Ick.

[@willropa4226]

IKR? It was already at a 10 near the end, this just turned it up to 50.

[@joeziadeh6158]

Pardon me, but how did you slant your text? I can’t seem to find the italic button, and I would love more meme opportunities.

[@Albertosn3]

I for one find it cathartic that they didn't take his "I'm having a hard time in life right now" and reluctantly let him back in. That tactic is manipulation 101 where you feel end up feeling bad for being justifiably upset. Bad situations may explain bad behavior but they do not excuse bad behavior.

[@thoughtfulwatcher]

I was thinking the exact same thing and have even heard it before. "I wasn't sexually harassing you, I was just having a bad day." Yeah. No.

[@CritCrab]

Going through a rough patch is not an excuse to treat people like garbage. Forgiveness is an option, not an obligation.

[@the_corvid97]

So often with these horror stories we hear that excuse being used, and it works, so it is immensely gratifying to see it be shut down.

[@KiwiLombax15]

"But I'm having a hard time-" BITCH EVERYONE IS GOING THROUGH SOMETHING

[@CritCrab]

@@KiwiLombax15 lmao it's 2020 everyone's going through a rough time.

[@eon1014]

“A more realistic story”? *sigh*... Some people need to understand that “realism” does NOT translate to “over-the-top edgelord nonsense”.

[@liamdalemon1525]

he calls his campaign realistic when he BREAKS THE IN UNIVERSE LAWS OF REALITY WITH HIS KING OC!!!

[@hazukichanx408]

@@liamdalemon1525 And also the king is a magic-user ruling a kingdom where magic-users are second-class citizens (someone else pointed this out, I take no credit for the observation). He is a walking (or rather, sitting) contradiction on multiple levels...

[@justanotherguy560]

@@hazukichanx408 tbf, I have seen walking contradictions act as great antagonists for stories, just not like this. Bondrewd is a great example, everything he did contradicted what he spoke about on a moral level. But at the same time, he was 100% sincere on what he preached. He was a scientist who at heart, loved humanity and the children he adopted, but was so psychologically torn to shreds due to the artifact that gave him immortality, that he could no longer discern love from sacrifice and ambition. Basically, he felt love, but tragically and terrifyingly couldn't comprehend empathy or morality. This king oc has nothing interesting to add to the campaign and just seems like an edgy character the dm thinks is realistic.

[@animateddoglover4391]

As someone who used to believe that bullshit, I couldn't agree with you more. This absolutely needs to be spread around. -Ruby

[@Theokal3]

I KNOW RIGHT?! Sometimes excessive cynicism is just as dumb and unrealistic as excessive optimism.

[@isaacdickinson4521]

Not nearly as bad as this, but when I helped set up a group when I got to college, I was excited to start regular sessions again. I rolled my first rogue, who had a classic run away from home backstory, with a pinch of betrayal, particularly from his then lover. My DM knew all of this. This campaign was in a really cool setting: floating islands, with airships being how people got from one place to another. Add a bit of steampunk to allow things like guns and Warforged, and it seems like a super fun place to run a campaign. Session one, before our party even met up, my rogue encounters a fellow tiefling in this city, and pays for a ride to get where he needs to go. She tries to come onto him, even telling him to meet her under a bridge or some shit, but he politely declined. Later, after the party officially formed and we're staying at an inn, my character suddenly feels a sharp pain in his leg where the other tiefling touched him. Cue a blight spell on a level 2 character, and hearing the tiefling woman's voice saying, "shouldn't have stood me up, asshole." Somehow I survive, brought back to consciousness by our warforged paladin, and we tell the innkeeper who says he'll keep an eye out. Think that's the end? Oh no, there's more. A couple days later, after a fun festival, we were getting the last of our things together before we set sail, when my character is shot in the shoulder. We look around, and guess who it is? The same damn tiefling holding a rifle on a building across the street. We all climb up and give chase, our bard throwing Vicious Mockery, and me shooting at her with my shortbow, while getting a piggyback ride from our paladin to get some cover (she had the protector fighting style, so it actually worked really well). When we catch up to her, she jumped off the roof and shot herself in the head with a pistol. We climb down and try to loot the body, looking for a possible connection to a crime syndicate here in the city or something (I thought there had to be more to it than just "you stood me up"), but the guards show up instantly, took our statements, and carried off the body and her belongings. After the game, I asked the DM privately if there was any other reason and he said no. So there you have it. My first rogue was almost killed twice by the same person because he didn't sleep with her, due to previous trauma that the DM knew about.

[@Mr56412]

That sure was not necessary. The DM could be less...

[@ericsbuds]

yuck. nothing about that sounds fun at all.

[@charleskydd6289]

Your first red flag should have been when you heard the word "Airship".

[@zelsha]

You were right to look for more behind it because this kind of story should bring something to the story. If not, it will just derail the campaign/story. Possibly slow it down or kill it, just for the sake of what? Personal satisfaction? And yet he didn't see that. Did you tell him?

[@thescribe_scribbles7975]

Yikes

[@cole4783]

Remember when the entire fandom burst in the flames because wizards of the coast endorsed a supplement to talk about consent with players and everybody was wondering why they thought it was necessary? This. This is why it is necessary

[@Eric-mw1gr]

+1 reddit gold

[@solarisnova9530]

Believe me, from being a victim of shit like this my self, consent matters a makes a he'll of a lot of a difference And I always when ever i join a d&d group and discousing it with them (witch they understandably agree with especially if we play in a comic blood store during daylight hours on the weekend) to leave fetishes at the door especially dark fetishes, like ie rape, sex can be implied (as one group is a rouge bard how is married and has a large family with another on the way) but don't go into do detail about it we the players don't want to be force to experience what goes on behind closed doors in another person's head

[@Nick-us8tm]

It really seems like, atleast from watchings crabs videos, that there are alot of dm's who like to enact rapey fantasies on female characters and its almost like the dm's arent mature enough to give people a heads up of how dark the world setting or story can be if they arent careful BEFORE starting.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

You shouldn't have to be told that people don't like to role-play that kind of thing. I can't imagine anyone wanting to do that.

[@Eric-mw1gr]

@@LibraGamesUnlimited "Everybody must feel exactly how I do."

[@StarrChild.]

I hate when people use the excuse for rape in the story as "It's just making it more realistic." Makes it seem like every man is just waiting for the right moment to rape someone which is just creepy, wrong and horrible.

[@louissanchez668]

The excuse of "realism" honestly makes it sound like rape is something that happens in the real world. DM grossly used it to justify his weird campaign twist. Dunno why you said "all men" tho but go off ig.

[@WobblesandBean]

That's because that's exactly what they are. Men like him truly do wish for the opportunity to do so themselves in real life. That's how disgusting they are. And I hope that DM is in jail for assault right now with that pen thing. It's a good thing there are still good men out there who call out that kind of behaviour, but sadly not nearly enough.

[@styrofoamcow6996]

A totally justifiable reason to be scared of the opposite sex, and it happens so much wtf the world sucks

[@yararinamiil]

and then when we are like "im scared of strange men on the street" they're like "oooOOoOooOh but not every man-"

[@yararinamiil]

@@louissanchez668 are you saying rape is not a thing that actually happens or... did i read it wrong...?

[@NightTheKittenn]

Things like this are the reason why I would never, EVER, play dnd with people I don’t already know and trust.

[@-Sharky-]

I mean that's nice if you already have people you know and trust

[@ericsbuds]

@@-Sharky- well you can still introduce yourself and get to know them first!

[@alexa3825]

Well, all the people you already know and trust were at some point strangers that you neither knew nor trusted, right?

[@hobbitpsi]

Yeh, but new people brings new surprises. Sometimes good and sometimes bad, but it's new experiences.

[@noellerutledge8789]

The "DM tricks player characters into hating the world they're apart of so that they can rise up against it by their own choice" is very much something I would do lol

[@zixserro1]

"Sorry you can't handle a realistic story" said the DM with invincible super-powerful NPCs that could kill anything and do no wrong.

[@SH-qs7ee]

And where apparently gangrape by an entire city is a perfectly natural punishment for kissing someone of the same sex in public.

[@jewlovergibson2944]

@@SH-qs7ee probably not too far from the truth in medieval europe unfortunately

[@SH-qs7ee]

@@jewlovergibson2944 No way, not even in the most decadent days of the Roman Empire was this a punishment, and some of the stuff the Romans got up to would make Game of Thrones look like a kids story.

[@allyli1718]

@@jewlovergibson2944 y’all are so weird. Are you getting your history from hentai or something?

[@jewlovergibson2944]

@@allyli1718 no I'm getting my history from actual history... Go look at how christians viewed women's rights under papal rule.

[@Deadman6]

A lot of terrible DM forget their NPCs are not the main characters.

[@hyperbannana9262]

Yeah its why 9/10 times dmpc are terrible

[@varto07]

I once had a DM that used an OP npc quite well. He saved us a couple of times, always telling us how weak we were. By lvl 3 he showed up to "aid us" on a temple run. After a long speech about how we were crap and he was awesome and that we should do what he said, he turned around, step on a trap and was insta-kill, decapitated. The best part of all is that at the end of that maze-like death trap temple, we had to fight a headless undead version of the op guy. I must say, it was very cathartic to finally get to kill him ourselves.

[@TheCarloCarlone]

I used a pretty powerfull NPC once. To make it quick, it was supposed to be a "quest giver" and a last resort for when things go south (basically they had a "the DM is going to save you" card without knowing it) One of my player insisted of going together with this NPC because he knew he was powerfull so he could use him to avoid dangerous fights. So basically, a player force me to use a powerfull NPC on their side, while I was constantly try to ditch him.

[@AEtherimp]

Yup.. That's exactly what this is. DM's who take the job because they want to force their agenda/narrative onto the players, rather than taking the job because they want to provide a good story/setting for the players.

[@solopowermove2131]

On my first DM session I used an OP DMPC before and realized 5 minutes after finishing the session how badly I used him. Everyone else was ok with him but I regret most of how I used him.

[@nubbular]

If I ever DM, I might go with a story similar to this, though not with forcing class change, obviously, but actually let the characters become the spark of a revolution. That was actually ingenious.

[@inky5574]

The setting of RWBY/MHA with the story of The Boys. I'd pay to watch that.

[@l30ng62]

@@inky5574 i love all three Shows that would be amazing. Any DM who isnt a homophobic, rape fetishist vicariously living through PCs please do something like that and invite me

[@sigma2653]

@@l30ng62 Here's my whole take with homophobia in D&D if it serves the plot go for it though maybe put a trigger warning for the players. You can have sexism, racism and homophobia in D&D and it be good.

[@hazukichanx408]

Crazy people will unironically say things so prejudiced it seems like a clever parody of the injustices they endorse, or in this case write the perfect setup for a revolution against an insane tyrannical kingdom and think it's a cool, stable utopia. By all means steal their accidental spark of inspiration and do something more worthwhile with it. =)

[@sere971]

@@sigma2653 It can be good but it should require opting into, not opting out of. Trigger warnings imply that it's something that people just have to deal with or leave, but if you want to tackle those issues, you should probably actually clear it with the people you're playing with first or **know** that they're okay with it, not just go at it with a "if you don't like it too bad lol" Especially because it's really hard to toe that line. People play these games to escape from the shittiness of reality, not to be plunged back into hearing offensive shit for the sake of "realism", and I imagine most of the people who find those to be interesting plot points don't actually experience it IRL. Especially when instead of a fantasy version like maybe a matriarchal society that oppresses men, or a society of a hyper-fertile race that ostracizes heterosexual couples due to overpopulation, it always seems to be offensive shit that mimics problems that exist in the real world and targets people who actually deal with that shit already, usually from the mind of someone who hasn't dealt with any of it.

[@CosmicToad5000]

Honestly what the OP thought was gonna happen in the story sounds like an absolutely amazing set up if your group trusts the DM enough to go with it at the start.

[@mqfii8992]

The tragedy Is, as stated by OP, Is that this would actually make a very cool campaign. Establishing that the PCs were unwillingly dragged into servitude and even stripped of their classes, with "Legendary Heroes" becoming drunk with their power and prestige and a kingdom full of bigotry and unlawful laws. With racial, classicism and sexual prejudices. Then the PCs rebel against the system when they are about to become paragons of said bullshit kingdom? It's a GREAT concept for a campaign, and it was WASTED with a creepy DM and his power fantasies. In fact, I'm thinking about getting the core ideas of this campaign, polish it (and remove r*pe) and present to my group. Wish me luck, everybody.

[@Jermbot15]

Good luck. I ran a campaign with a very similar concept based on a Crit Crab story. The coming of age moment was when the Exalted Fellowship's airship came crashing down and they were all killed by the big bad. The player characters only barely having managed to escape. But the real moment of catharsis, the sweet moment I had been building too, was when my party actually fought the Exalted Fellowship after their bodies had been taken by the big bad and turned into corrupted puppets.

[@cabbageguy6243]

Please update us on how this goes.

[@trequor]

Reminds of The Boys

[@mqfii8992]

@@cabbageguy6243 They liked the idea. Only 1 of the 3 knows the plot twist beforehand, so it'll he mostly a surprise to them. Unfortunately, I'm currently DMing a Dragon Ball RPG and soon after, a Fire Emblem one. So there will be no uptades for a while. I might post it on the CritCrab reddit as a "redemption" story.

[@MagisterGir]

I think the cherry on top that would have really fixed this would have been allowing a player to switch back to their original classes after they escape and rebel. The final fights being with their starter classes vs the legendary "heroes"..

[@IceLordCryo]

Funny how the ones calling people "Snowflakes" are more sensitive than the ones they're accusing.

[@brendanheald9067]

Lol you yourself are now making a big assumption my friend. Besides snowflake doesn’t mean sensitive and the terrible DM used it wrong. It means someone’s been told they’re special and unique all their life so they believe they are special, that they’re above others and that they should always succeed contrary to how the real world works. IE believing everyone should get a participation ribbon instead of rewarding the actual winner then when they actually get into the real world and find out not everyone gets rewarded anymore and you actually have to win so they complain. Basically self entitlement brought on by a false building of self esteem. Self esteem is good but only when you actually earn it.

[@chrisr1091]

Brendan Heald Ok Boomer

[@Jermbot15]

@@brendanheald9067 Urban dictionary disagrees with you. As does every other credible and incredible source whose job it is to keep up with the definition of slang. Now I would never say that you lack the wisdom and authority to decide for everyone else what a word means. But you're welcome to realize it.

[@jetvulcan2020]

and of course right away you get one in your replies. I love hearing people use the unearned self esteem because in general they believe their special they earned thier self esteem and its only worth anything if others don't have it. Using either definition generally shows your the snowflake.

[@therealameliabedelia7821]

Brendan Heald Maybe it’s time to admit that “snowflake” is an ignorant term used to demean anyone who disagrees with you?

[@benjamindorough6129]

If I was that store owner and knew the whole story, I'd tell that creep to not come back. What on Earth

[@kanden27]

“Stabbing his dad in the head with a pen.” Returns of the king crab to narrate

[@alexa3825]

The rest of the story is believable but I feel like the end was made up

[@theomega7project326]

@@alexa3825 I'm betting that it was supposed to be hand but they miss typed. Stabbing a hand with a pen is far more believable.

[@WarmLusamine]

Who gets in trouble for stabbing their hand with a pen?

[@berniesharpe2767]

Man, this makes me so sad. Like, imagine if you got to teleport away and the DM was like, yo, now that you ran away, you can revert back to your original classes with a shit ton of extra EXP and stuff to respec and you get to keep the martial knowledge from the academy training your received. So much wasted potential.

[@lissaquon607]

You just know he was going to pull a fast one so the teleporting failed. He was never going to let them out.

[@lunaredelvour2972]

...wouldn't it have been better to have everyone muticlass as a fighter as well at that point??? I've never tried that before so idrk how it woulda gone but still

[@Former_Halo_Fan]

@@lunaredelvour2972 I'm guessing everyone was forced to multi-class to be more like the DMPC who recruited them?

[@the3dluxe53]

@@lissaquon607 yeah, but it’s fun to imagine a better timeline where this was actually an interesting story instead of the DM being actually homophobic.

[@michelveilleux1275]

I think that would've been better then literal TOWN RAPE. 😑

[@williamtimonen6814]

I kind of really like the Idea of having these very powerful ”heroes” who have all become corrupt jackasses as they went along. Where Maybe taking them on later as anatagonists could depend on whether you think you can positively affect society by keeping them around or not.

[@CritCrab]

That would be so cool

[@tallymanz6756]

It's kind of the plot of the first overlord game.

[@murielleladouceur6414]

It’s also the plot of Lunar 2

[@hashly8521]

like the boys

[@birdmandan9456]

The dmpcs as later antagonists and the revolution plot being what happened would've made this story actually... Worth playing and not a nightmare

[@Ednilane]

In my young years, I always encountered people like this DM, but the players were also like that... It was sad and disturbing. I didn't had a nice childhood and when playing with others (any type of rp game) and experiencing this, I thought the world was a dark place for a long time. It wasn't until I entered high school that I met really lovely people. Now, almost 7 years after, I know not everything in the world is grim and there are people creative and lovely in the rp world and the real world too. As you said CritCrab, no one should be afraid to call these people out! :)

[@ephemera6766]

Hi! Sorry for the late response but this gave me a decent amount of hope for my future, so thank you.

[@nihilism6226]

Ednilane But the world is ultra grim dark! You are gonna grow older and slowly turn into a literal zombie. How is that not dark.

[@Ednilane]

@@nihilism6226 Nah, there are good things and bad things. I'm thankful I found good people in my way, I consider myself lucky even. I aim to never be like those type of people.

[@onix9818]

That's awful you met so many groups like this. As a writer and DM I do have dark events happen in my worlds and such but I have never forced those events or overused them. Usually its just bad people you run into along the way and usually there is a way to stop them and be the hero like DnD is all about being the hero.

[@Didi_Meow_AND_theMEWS]

for someone that has played on again and off again over the last 3 decades.... i don't understand DM's like this ..that can not read a room.. and though i absolutely 100% agree with the fact it is incredibly immature, and just weird and not fun to go about things like this DM has....that being said.....i gotta say i am sure i had tons of super cringey campaigns written between the age of 12 and 16 >_< just gotta get thru all the sillies first.. it gets better >_

[@rbit5140]

This truly breaks my heart,DND was an escape for me and seeing all these people went through an awful and disgusting exprience is just truly saddening.I hope this doesn't discourage them from playing anymore.

[@dylantheguy8801]

Honestly, the part where he thinks that he intentionally made them all hate his dmpcs and world itself as a plot twist that you would be the revolution to turn it into its head and destroy the status quo sounds like a really good plot line for a campaign. Ima steal that one lol.

[@Jermbot15]

Happened at almost exactly the right time too. Level 11 to 16 is the 'master of the realm' stage when your characters are conventionally able to affect real change on a national scale.

[@tootiredforthis1]

Fuckin a imagine the cathartic moment of telling the dmnpc "You've got a lot left to learn" as you finally kill their stupid faces

[@ChobinoftheFunk]

I think I might, too

[@liamdalemon1525]

I actually thought of a cool Idea for a design for a sequel campaign. the campaign would start where this campaign ended. it would open with a cutscene esc intro describing how the people in the capital were a bunch of dicks and the king power word killed most of the players with a single power word. the campaign would then pick up a year or so later where the main party would be secretly training under the sorc and the "fighter". they would show up as DMPC's (yes I know that's kind of ironic but hear me out) that would only help the party if the party requested it. I think a good Idea for the early game is that the encounters would be almost impossibly hard and one of the actual DMPC's would show up as the ex machina but the only reason they don't kill you immediately is because they still have to deal with the current encounter. I feel like giving them a sort of SA-X vibe would be a pretty cool introduction to what would eventually become the late game bosses. I dunno this might sound kind of cringe but I like the Idea of making a followup campaign about revenge

[@patrickduffin7912]

@@liamdalemon1525 It was honestly a pretty interesting campaign idea, but the fact he forced gang rape on the characters and then went "lol I power word kill you because I'm the DM" is among the most disgusting things I've ever heard as a player. Although the one you came up with makes it an interesting scenario, and to that last sentence: Revenge is a dish best served cold.

[@kyriannatran1065]

"... the more that people like us, that stand up to DMs like this guy, the less they will exist as a species." Love it

[@nihilism6226]

Kyrianna Tran What's wrong with rapey DMs?

[@kyriannatran1065]

@@nihilism6226 im not going to explain morals to you. But you are more than welcome to Google the negative effects of rape and emotional abuse on your own time

[@gamergurl3648]

@@nihilism6226 are you being serious?

[@wendys9500]

@@kyriannatran1065 Absolutely murdered that guy with your reply, thank you for being you

[@samuelschmitt853]

@@nihilism6226 DM alt

[@wesleythomas7125]

"You're a bad DM and you're no longer in charge. You're fired."

[@od3910]

Considering that rape has more to do with power than sexuality or anything else, this simulated rape is a massive warning sign, almost like a stepping stone where you hold the same power over a character rather than a real life person. It's worrying cause its basically the same effect. If anyone tried this with me they would be labelled "rapist" and I would never let anyone forget it.

[@toratoragaming]

“It’s even worse than you think” It was worse than I thought. What are you, Crit Crab, a psychic?

[@Ranulfdatank]

Gazing into the abyss too long.

[@mqfii8992]

The Crab knows its followers too well. It's the beauty of relatively small communities.

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

Personally I think crit crab is a secret jostar.

[@ericsleegers6505]

is it weird i was expecting worse

[@rook7174]

He is a water psychic type

[@delphyxit7088]

DM who's job is to make a fun campaign for players: commits atrocities on characters for being homosexual also DM: blames players for not having fun with r*pe story

[@liamdalemon1525]

(show half the party being killed) OP: NOOOOOOOOO! this is it. they were our last hope. sorcerer: oh cheer up buddy. you know what they say. some things in life are bad, they can really make you mad. other things just make you swear and curse. when your chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble, give a whistle and this'l help things turn out for the best, and: always look on the bright side of life (whistles) just think of the king on the end of your knife (whistles) if life seems jolly rotten, there's something you've forgotten and that's to laugh at their attempts to break us if your being abused then remember that you loose if you give up and start to feel the pain so always look on the bright side of life (starts whistling) (the dead party members ghosts join in) always look on the right side of life (whistles) it's pretty absurd that he used power word in a circumstance designed to make us fucked! but hey your still on stage so using built up rage, go out with your middle fingers up! DM: the townsfolk are saying that they will rape you if you keep singing and the guards aren't looking very happy the entire party: SO ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF OUR DEATH! (everyone whistles) TAKE LOVE TO OUR GRAVES LIKE ROMEO AND JULIETTE! (whistles) THIS CITY'S A PIECE OF SHIT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT TO THESE PEOPLE RAPE AND DEATH'S A JOKE IT'S TRUE! WE MAY GET FORCIBLY FUCKED BUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEX ARE LUCKY SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THE LAST LAUGH IS FOR YOU! SO ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE! (whistles) OP: it sure is nice to die beside my wife (whistles) ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE! (whistles) ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE! Sorcerer: you know if we were never forced to come here we wouldn't even be in this mess Party: I HOPE THE TOWN ENDS UP ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF MY KNIFE Sorcerer: come on show them you don't care! Party: ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE Sorcerer: I don't even know why these people were interested in us to be honest Party: ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE Sorcerer: see, it's the end of the campaign Party: WERE DEPRIVED OF NEGATIVE FEELINGS GUYS! Sorcerer: who do you think runs this rubbish? Party: ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE! Sorcerer: he will never get the DM screen back, I told him that Party: ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE Sorcerer: I said to him: dude, you will never get the DM screen back Party: ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE!!!

[@Vinzwien]

@@liamdalemon1525 This comment is pure gold!

[@liamdalemon1525]

@@Vinzwien thanks. I'm actually interested in making parodies of songs based of D&D horror stories. you got any requests? also would you like me to send you more of this stuff?

[@BlazingOwnager]

The thing that really gets me on this story is having the kingdom go against them and be evil didn't actually offend the players. They seemed eager to deal with the issue head on. It's that the GM punished them for that in the most line crossing way possible.

[@dontyodelsohard2456]

@@BlazingOwnager Yeah, I agree... For the most part it is not like homosexuality was realistically a very accepted thing during medieval times (Unless you play certain Pathfinder stories then even the trolls are lesbians), but I mean, GM was already a dick, but I feel if you want to deal with certain people being bigots and even handling more sensitive topics it would probably be fine as long as you address it before hand. Given this was in a game store not with friends so there should have also been more restraint.

[@elieyay3980]

Man, this reminds me of an old acquaintance of mine. Power tripping constantly, intentionally trying to kill the party, sexually explicit/dark story beats. Any time we complained "you had options" when we really didn't.

[@vixevinweria8400]

People need to remember that the only thing in D&D more powerful than the DM is the combined power of the players. Since that campaign was clearly over they should have just had their characters reveal that they were Gods that disguised themselves as mortals and that they have judged this kingdom unfit to continue. Then they break their magical binds because their gods, and then they obliterate the entire kingdom.

[@trollfarmergoestowashington]

And then the beholder woke up

[@benjaminthibieroz4155]

true. DM must never forgotten the absolute authority they possesed is only willingly rented to them by players. Should they fail them, then the power shall pass to the players, and this is a perfect example. Just have one player suddenly becoming the new DM with everyone agreeing, and the other can just f* off

[@XolBurn]

Honestly this DM should never EVER DM anymore. This is honestly disgusting.

[@izarian42]

DM? Hell, He shouldn't do ANYTHING with people ever again! This guy makes Coronavirus look heroic for making everyone stay at least 6 feet away from him!

[@tek2095]

I would say they need to go back to /pol/, but it sounds like they may be serving time in jail already.

[@howdoilogin]

In the immortal words of 4chan, "Fake and Gay". This shit literally never happened until Normie Edition started pandering and suddenly a thousand stories come out about "totally real" caricatures of people who do "totally real" things nobody would ever do. This story couldn't have been more fake if it ended with "and then everybody on the bus stood up and clapped". OP is a snowflake who has a fetish for pretending he's some revolutionary gay rights activist. The DM couldn't have been the bad guy cuz he literally didn't exist.

[@WithASock]

i think we found one of their species. someone take the shot.

[@Hromovlad1]

@@tek2095 /pol/ does not like people like this

[@funninoriginal6054]

DM: If you arent a martial class who dosen't use magic, you are a coward and suck! Also DM: **proceeds to have DMPC power word stun and kill the PCs without them even being able to save**

[@Gantradies]

even THIS would make a good fucking plot-if the DM wasnt a fucking asshole0 making the hypocrisy a PLOT element- like, the king's PUBLIC,IDIOTIC magical killing spree, after intentionally dragging hundreds/thousands of citizens to watch, causes the entire house of cards to collapse when his fit of pique reveals that the entire nation's ideology is a pathetic lie, and the kingdom in question to collapse into civil war.... i mean, by his own logic, the king is implicitly unfit to rule- he's a simpering cowards- a MAGE....

[@Klaital1]

Well tbh, power words do not allow saving throws by the rules, so that part was actually correct, but most of the rest of that story wasn't.

[@beckaldo8741]

Oh wow. Hypocrisy. I was wondering when someone would notice that. ;p A trademark ability for all those who fear their lack of control.

[@thesheerwoodcrow5465]

If I wanted realism in my role play I wouldn’t be playing a game where fighting a god damn dragon is entirely possible

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

Before I started listening to these videos I never realized how many players and DMs there were out there who seem to be obsessed with this sort of thing. How anyone could think someone would like role-playing this sort of this is beyond me. I don't know what could be going through their minds.

[@D13G0Z]

I am gonna steal that campaing idea and make it good. Thats what a good DM does

[@CritCrab]

Because that's what heroes do

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

Hey did you know we're the phantom crab thieves!?

[@sirennightshade4977]

I had the same impulse. ;)

[@aegisScale]

@@watcherofmemelords7967 he'll never see it coming.

[@khajiitinskyrim8874]

El Diegu Lobos sas ses sis sos sus Honestly sounds a little risky, you don’t want your players to hate the game and leave before it gets to the good part. Just work with your players.

[@kaizer712]

Craig and the airship combined?! *rears back violently*

[@mqfii8992]

A cringe to surpass Metal Gear!

[@hmasterchaos8700]

There is a far worse story(not sure if Crit Crab would cover it)basically it was a homebrew sci-fi game with - ahem - “Special rules/laws for female characters/npcs and two types of punishments for male characters/npcs”

[@aegisScale]

No amount of Sympathy spells could get anyone near that abomination.

[@moonshiners-cv6kd]

@@aegisScale you need about a months worth of high quality cocaine to be alright

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

@@hmasterchaos8700 Is that the impreg one?

[@pterojacktylus2475]

I’m a quite new player, been blessed with a real good friend as my DM since day one to really help ease me into it and have some fun with it. It angers me knowing DM’s like these could and probably have driven SO MANY new players away from it possibly forever.

[@cameron571]

A more iconic duo: Writing implements and stabbing. I distinctly remember another story you read about a murderhobo girl playing a rogue who tried to stab someone with a mechanical pencil. There's definitely a theme here.

[@Expletive1200]

"The last we heard he was in trouble for stabbing his dad in the head with a pen." I like how that's the tidbit the OP decides to leave us on lmao

[@Gantradies]

says it all about the DM, really...

[@mrface4766]

“It’s even worse than you think” oh hell it’s gonna be one of those innit...

[@4saken404]

Yeah as if the title wasn't enough I knew where this was going as soon as I saw the word "DMPC" pop up.

[@haileyfrancis2896]

11:47 “what’s the deal with all these terrible DMs having awesome campaign ideas” It’s honestly such a mystery

[@theunwelcome]

"is your group excluding that guy?" "hell yes we are! here's why!"

[@chrishall5570]

I have to question how did this DM think having the player's characters get raped by a town while two of the other players are forced to watch would be well received? It would be one thing if the group talked about this kind of adventure since something is always someones kink but to just out of the blue throw it in is not only gross but mean spirited in a way that is more than a little concerning.

[@lockwoan01]

Yes - it's one thing to say "Listen, there's going to be (some sort of fetish/kink) going on in this story. Anyone have any issues?" and for folks to say "We're good." But, to just force something that makes folks uncomfortable - that's crossing a line.

[@RNTSH7]

At that point I think he was just punishing the players for not doing what he wanted. He desperately showed how overwhelming his NPCs were and "gave them chances" to get back in his rails and it didn't work, I guess this was his last resort for a threat.

[@lockwoan01]

@@RNTSH7 Yeah, like anyone would really want to play his game after all this stuff. Wouldn't be surprised if this DM got blacklisted by the local groups.

[@HeartFeathers]

He felt entitled like a male Karen to their time. He could do whatever he wanted because they HAD to play with him. Its why he complained to the store owner.

[@lockwoan01]

@@HeartFeathers I know he would have gotten tossed out of my group right quick.

[@GreebleClown]

“Couldn’t handle a more realistic story”?! What the hell was realistic about that?!?!

[@tubegerm6732]

Ikr whole thing is made up.

[@liamdalemon1525]

probably like nazi Germany type realistic or something

[@bat6353]

It's just what he learned from hent- Er... "documentaries."

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

I must've skipped the day we learned about a race of god-kings who tossed dissenters to crowds to be gang-r*ped.

[@WolfyFancyLads]

Well, sexual assault, mindless peons who agree with rich guys, people with power murdering people for no reason beyond disobedience, homophobia, abuse of power (both the DM and the DMNPCs)... I mean, there was a lot of realism. It was just too much and poorly used. You can have all of that in a game depending on if your players allow it. But all at once, with instant player killers, and forced fetishes on players? No.

[@lonely1951]

Once I played dnd with a group full of guys. My dm made a plot line where my character got stalked by an npc rogue, and later kidnapped. No assault happened, but the npc threatened a lot of fucked up shit, and I, as a person who has been raped in real life, wasn’t having a fun time at the table that night. Afterwords I asked my DM to please not include me in scenes like that. He kind of was an ass about it and basically said “people always tell me not to add girls to my table but I thought you could handle a realistic scene.” And then I explained to him that I actually understood pretty well that it was realistic because I myself have been raped. And he apologized profusely. I don’t think he actually understood that rape is a thing that happens rather frequently. To people he knows.

[@AHoboIsEatingMyShoe]

“PeOpLe AlWaYs TeLl Me NoT tO aDd GiRlS tO mY tAbLe” ok so he thinks girls are oversensitive but goes through with a scenario that he knows is a sensitive subject for women anyway. Instead of just not doing that. If he had a table of all male players with male characters, he wouldn’t have done anything like that to their characters, and yet somehow the game wouldn’t be ruined by the absence. but they act like if there is a girl at their table, they simply HAVE to assault/harass them in game, theres clearly just no other options. Sorry you had to go through that

[@DrEldritchPlays]

Honestly, the whole thing turning into a rebellion arc sounds fantastic. That would make a great story.

[@Juliett-A]

"told me I was going to have to switch-" Nope, table flipped.

[@jdprettynails]

I don't understand DMs that do this. Why even let your players roll up their own characters then?? As a DM myself, my main rule is that I am responsible for the setting, the rules, the monsters and the story. The players are in charge of their characters. I don't get to dictate to them what class or backstory they play and on the flip side, they are responsible for knowing what their spells and abilities do.

[@AvangionQ]

I've run campaigns where racism and sexism were part of the culture, equal to villains worth defeating once the players attained enough personal and political power to overturn the system.

[@bibbobella]

Same. I often leave it to one area of the map though and my own personal feelings always end up coming out into light fairly easily so it is pretty clear that the racism/slavery/sexism is negative..I really try to make it seem neutral but I have failed so far so it often becomes something the PC's either have to fight or choose to willfully ignore...except that one time where the PC's choose to go "Oh? they have legal slaves here?! Awesome! That is some very easy workforce for our boat! Uh we can even pay them a little and give them some level of freedom! that way they won't revolve against us as easily! :D But should they we will still have the slavemark on them! :) We can just put it on their hands so at most they will lose their arm rather than their heads if they go against us!" ...That became a fairly interesting plot for a little while there... It honestly became more of a joke than the fairly serious issue I had thrown their way but I guess they did kinda help those 20 or so slaves they..."helped" away from their cruel master...It was honestly hillarious. When it comes to racism it is mostly just there to annoy the players more so than do anything that cruel. The prices might go up a bit with certain shopkeepers if they are the "wrong" race and the guards will keep a keener eye on them and the like but that is about it. I don't want to punish the player for choosing a race more so than make them feel a little bit out of place in certain areas.

[@BlazingOwnager]

Yep. I really applaud the players of this campaign for NOT getting upset when the kingdom was extremely racist and sexist and acting against them, but rolling with it. If the story had gone the way they hoped or even if it didn't and they were executed, I think nobody woulda booted him out. The whole 'gang rape in the center of town' part... that's like 50 bridges too far.

[@jameslape8656]

Ya even if they got executed that would have made them make new characters that could've heard about all that happening and build up levels and an army to over through the kingdom. Although then not dieing I think would have fit better but it still could've worked heck even public tourter where the dm might fudge a roll or 2 to allow them to escape would have been cool but the rape was waaaaaaaaaaay to far

[@lilylam7162]

Stories like this remind me how blessed I am to have found a great group to play with. It's my first group and we didn't know each other prior to starting. I'm very lucky we all clicked and tbh we were all prepared to ghost each other if it didn't go well. Our DM is very patient with us and listens. He gave us a safe word and told us that if we weren't comfortable with a situation we could back out of it. The other members are all really chill and sometimes we do after session hang outs online.

[@Novice9241]

You know, this could’ve sounded like legitimately good campaign if a revolution did start and all the characters took all they learned and with their newfound freedom used them how they saw fit. In other words, they revert to their original classes with boosted stats.

[@insanejay3777]

@Kristopher Chavez I wouldn't go that far. Especially since it's the r*pe of young women who seem to either be underage or barely of age in the story. I'd say that a DM should implement some kind of Religious or Powerful figure to attack the city in that instant and distract everyone so the band could escape.

[@LaLloronaVT]

Even from a historical realistic perspective the dm has no reason to have taken things so far, it sounds like he confused history with game of thrones

[@langying]

Honestly, he's just punishing the female players for not having roleplay sex with hi-er, I mean, not participating his epic, and well-crafted romance story with his characters

[@sam-psonsmith9951]

right? why would these conservative people be okay with public gang rape? He clearly wanted to play out his sick fantasies.

[@maxumusjesus]

From a historical, realistic perspective, a religious head would've called a crusade on that cursed kingdom.

[@trial_with_an_error9687]

Most of these “DMs” do. No dickhead, not every man raped a woman in the before times. Not every woman who was gay was fucked by an entire town, they were sent of to a clergy or thrown into a prison.

[@sam-psonsmith9951]

@@trial_with_an_error9687 other than in Hentai i don't think public gang rape was ever a thing, for any reason, anywhere. The people would have been outraged, stuff like that leads to rebellions..

[@Badgerman494]

I mean, as a DM, I feel it is my responsibility to get an emotional response from my players. Subjects like Rape do exist, and are addressed in my homebrew world, but it is never something a player is subjected to, and it is always a topic I work with carefully in order to ensure I don't upset anyone. I've even had young ladies, survivors of rape, at my table. And in those instances I remove most content even regarding the subject. I even re-wrote one of my darker characters back story in order to remove any reference to the subject so as not to cause anyone any pain. As DM's we are responsible for the people at our table, I genuinely believe this. We are responsible for making sure they have a good time, I met them halfway with any bullshit their character think up and call a plan, and I am responsible for ensuring my world, and the story I've planned, doesn't cause issues with peoples mental health. During session zero I flat out state my worlds are borderline Grimdark, and a lot of fucked up shit happens, but if you have issues with any specific subjects speak up at the table, and if that makes you uncomfortable, just message me and let me know. I will avoid any subjects anyone at the table feels uncomfortable with.

[@FlorenceFox]

Yeah, like, in my setting, real world bigotries like sexism, homophobia and transphobia do not exist, and sexual violence, if it happens at all, is never addressed, BUT, I absolutely 100% agree that it CAN be incorporated in safe, healthy and positive ways. Jessica Jones is one of the best things Marvel has put out precisely BECAUSE it addressed heavy topics like that in a positive way. Of course, at the same time, Jessica Jones is NOT going to be for everyone. I have friends who have trauma related to sexual violence and they CANNOT watch Jessica Jones. The same principal applies to TTRPGs. The important thing is being open and upfront with your players and respecting their limits. Let them know what they're getting into, and accommodate them the best you can. If you're unable to accommodate them, then it is totally fine for you and the player to agree that the game you want to run just isn't for them. Sucks, but it happens. Blindsiding your players with some dark edgelord shit like this guy did is just the WORST kind of DMing. Some people just seem to want a power trip and don't give a damn about their players' safety or enjoyment.

[@wolves600]

@@FlorenceFox like the op said if the dm had turned it into some type of rebellion thing it could have been amazing

[@MysterousBear]

One consideration is that many survivors of sexual assault might not even mention it- I always think that if there is content that I'd remove if I knew someone had trauma it would evoke, it's best not to include it. Even with a wholesome session zero that properly asks about content and triggers, most people night not think to ask that something as personal and terrible as r*pe not be involved in a game played between friends I reckon.

[@Badgerman494]

@@MysterousBear As I said, I never subject a player to it, it never happens in front of them, and if referred to, even with a table OK with it I skirt the issue. Bur I often will message each player before session zero, and explain that my world's are dark, and fucked up, and horrible shit happens. I need to know your hard limits before we start. Anything you absolutely not willing deal with?

[@thefast2165]

Yeah, it's hard to have hard limits if you don't know people's hard limits. They don't have to go into detail as to why it makes them uncomfortable, just a simple "Hey, I don't like this." and done. It won't be in the game.

[@mya6014]

i just found your channel and omg your storytelling is so calming and super comforting

[@stephenbough6220]

Dude this campaign idea is so awesome, I am so gonna use this in my next campaign!! Minus the tomfoolery ofc. As a new DM I am terrified before each session but I end up having so much fun it is totally worth it

[@themagicalrobotprisma2793]

Yeah that dm didn't want to play a game he just wanted to give himself self felatio

[@elrick44]

to be fair, what guy doesnt, most of us just try stretching a bit more though. not this dumpster fire

[@Nymphonomicon]

That does seem to be a running theme with bad DMs. They get it into their heads that "the story" they have concocted is so great and awesome and that the players are just pawns in their personal tale...

[@KewlImp]

The moment the "stocks" came out, I know too many women who have punched him in face for it. Nothing snowflake about it. I'm an author and there is a rule every writer should follow, if you don't need to use rape, don't use rape.

[@justbored5002]

I don’t understand that rule. If you want to use rape and you believe you can write it in well I don’t understand why you would stay completely averse to it.

[@KewlImp]

@@justbored5002 You just said the key word, believe. I've seen a great number of writers and storytellers and DMs who think they have the next american classic, but it isn't. Now, add on a subject that can be super traumatic and give them free reign. So why even write something like that? I can't think of a good reason.

[@justbored5002]

@@KewlImp A good reason would be to tell a story you want to tell. Granted there is a high chance the “good story” the writer sees was superficial, especially if they do go full free reign, but in that case they’re basically most likely going to self publish and never actually sell a copy. If it does gain any traction I don’t see how the whole traumatic part will really play a part since anyone who’s traumatized by that can simply put down/never buy the book, no one is forcing them to read it.

[@mindassassin]

First rule of book club, you don't randomly rape people in book club. That feels like something that shouldn't need to be a rule.

[@IOnlyFollowChannelsIHate]

@@justbored5002 You must be male.

[@Samiju]

Found this channel like half an hour ago and have been watching a few videos, love it! I'm subbed now and will be watching a lot more videos!

[@maxallen121]

The reason all of the bad DMs have amazing stories is because they have so much experience writing fanfiction so they carry that over to D&D

[@kaelang12]

why would he demand the player switch classes when they could've multiclassed?

[@andrewparsons2391]

Because the players' characters don't belong to the (disdainful snort) players, they belong to *THE GLORIOUS DMPC* to do with as HE chooses!

[@mqfii8992]

Because that's something a DM with minimal experience and decency does. Clearly Super Craig has neither of these.

[@Jermbot15]

I know, how cool would it have been to play a barbarian forced to wear medium armor and chastised for raging by a 'master' intent on teaching you discipline. You take levels in fighter, but your history and culture is holding you back until you get that sweet character moment when you choose between the master and the culture that you grew up in, throw your scale mail aside, and learn that you're far more powerful following your own path. Of course this would require the campaign be about the players, and that doesn't seem like the case here.

[@thomasschafer5939]

Because that would take effort to DM

[@ArawnNox]

Because he has control issues. There were plenty of red flags early on that no matter what the players did, they were in HIS story. And as soon as two players did something he didnt approve of (rejecting his oh-so awesome DMPC in favor of a same sex PC) the whole thing imploded.

[@lupinforestgreen7614]

Mad respect to you for having the grit to read this aloud, CritCrab. Seriously, I don't know how you find the will in yourself to speak so smoothly when dealing with horrible, toxic scenarios like this without screaming or whimpering. Your tone gives the words all the heartbreaking, soul-flinching weight they deserve while still maintaining a professional veneer, and I applaud you for it. Thank you for bringing us these stories. Not all heroes wear capes. Some wear chitin shells.

[@CritCrab]

Aww thank you so much!

[@levi5436]

They craft their stories so well because that is all they think about. They go over the details over and over again in their heads. It is seriously creepy.

[@-Sharky-]

That's not at all creepy if it doesn't contain rapey stuff.

[@robolizzzrd5524]

Hey there buddy! I recently discovered your channel, and I am loving it. Good stuff, very nice calm listening material.

[@khajiitinskyrim8874]

More realistic campaign, have stupid powerful Mary Sue DMPCs and magically make fights impossible all of a sudden so that the players need to be rescued... Does this guy think that real life is an anime or something?

[@epsilon-eleven]

And apparently mass gang-rape is seen as a normal & legal punishment for being non-straight. Something tells me the DM thinks "realistic" means "adheres to the incel fantasies of enforcing sexual assault as punishment for women."

[@tek2095]

​@@epsilon-eleven Yup, entire campaign screams "/Pol/ dwelling incel's wet dream."

[@HamsterPants522]

Yeah imma be frank, this guy probably used a hentai story to come up with this, like Princess Knight Catue or something. There have been hentai stories with very similar ideas to this.

[@SampoPaalanen]

@@HamsterPants522 Well if someone uses porn for story ideas and calls it realistic there's an issue, porn is many things but "realistic depiction of the world" isn't one them and that goes double for cartoon porn like hentai. Mind you I don't have issues with porn, however I can also tell that it's not even close to how real world relationships work.

[@MechagirlSachiko]

The only anime-inspired campaign where that is "realistic" would be one based off of Kuroinu. P.S: Don't look it up if you value your mental integrity.

[@sortedevaras]

It always amazes me how much people are willing to sit through before they just tell the DM to f off and leave.

[@Lh0000]

It’s probably the sunk cost fallacy, that or Stockholm syndrome.

[@kvltslime2261]

Like they said. They didn't know until that happened. They thought it was setting up an epic revolt line

[@bendystrawz2832]

Also, it's the potential. DM's often throw bad worlds at players for them to romp around in. It gives them something to struggle against. OP saw potential in the worldbuilding (as it did have potential, a clearly unintentional side effect), so they stuck with it. As a player, you generally have some trust in the DM to steer you right, even if it feels like a bumpy ride. Sometimes, the players own creativity works against them. And I'm sure there are great DM's who have used nasty tactics, but have actually turned it into a good experience, allowing the players to confront it or beat it, or just simply to provide conflict for them. You just never know which you've got until its too late. We see it's a CritCrab video, so WE know which it is, but they don't, lol.

[@DraconXCreations]

That dm is HORRIBLE my god this made me gag- and i rarely flinch during these stories, that is absolutely horrid for a dm to do

[@glitchyboi-nk1qv]

I honestly had to skip over it right when they said the “stripped in the town square” cause I dreaded the direction it was going 😨

[@DraconXCreations]

@@glitchyboi-nk1qv same... same here.. I had extreme dread at that part

[@glitchyboi-nk1qv]

@@DraconXCreations looking through the comments I made the right call, I shared this with friends on discord and they were like “wtf is wrong with this guy?!”

[@DraconXCreations]

@@glitchyboi-nk1qv We all agree that guys a total creep here ngl

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

>Hears "Airship" >Immediate flashbacks to *The Rod* and _F O L D E D D A D_

[@neonashes4147]

As a lesbian, if I ever see this man in public it’s on sight :/

[@liamdalemon1525]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnPFeKChgqyspc0

[@strawberryjam6235]

@@liamdalemon1525 what's that link

[@liamdalemon1525]

@@strawberryjam6235 it's a link to palpatine saying "kill him, kill him now"

[@bat6353]

D O I T

[@petermuller926]

I think it's fine to have intolerant characters in a campaign. Loads of them. But not everyone has to be an asshole and it should be obvious enough it's the opinion of the npc not of the dm

[@novadselir1068]

Uh oh I know this story and I know how absolutely disgusting this DM is especially that public punishment scene.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

Guy must've stolen the idea from nhentai and thought it was cool.

[@ozmul5810]

@@destroyerinazuma96 That's what I said.

[@cookiecreep9204]

I appreciate that the store owner had none of his "They have to include me!" bs. Proper human being that one.

[@Gamer_Dylan_6]

"Integrate with the capital" headass. Honestly the line that makes me the most upset.

[@silversuper3]

Uber powerful DMPCs taking the PCs "under their wing" as DM's idea of full story, using said DMPCs to bail out fights he intentionally made for players to not win ....is there any airships nearby?

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

Not physically, but dang if there isn't one there spiritually.

[@Nothing-1w3]

*Airship noises*

[@sagescribe_]

Sounds more like a Star Trek beam

[@curnott6051]

Seriously, how hard is it for these people to make a decent DMPC? All they got to do to make them likable is have them support the party (not lead it, have them be at the same level of strength), not steal the glory constantly, and give them a personality that isn't annoying!

[@Jermbot15]

In airship's defense. All the weird fetish sex that the players weren't interested in was consensual.

[@d45h69]

What the hell is that guy's problem. He needs to stay away from any women ever

[@Sgt-Wolf]

Any human ever*

[@rypoleon6932]

Amen to the both of you.

[@MetaWarlord135]

@@Sgt-Wolf *any living thing ever

[@andrewparsons2391]

@@MetaWarlord135 so you're okay with him molesting poor innocent rocks, are you!?

[@aegisScale]

@@andrewparsons2391 at least the rocks are legally able to mash him into bloody paste in retaliation.

[@_PannieCake_]

This kind of behavior is what we give to my brother's terrifying friends and they get him on a list. Doesn't matter if WE don't know where the creeps are. They will find out.

[@metalqueen237]

I've dealt with a pervy player before, but never pervy dms. And as a woman I'd love to keep it that way, but I know its bound to happen eventually considering how often I play. The 1 pervy player I dealt with was a total creep. He wanted to play a child assassin. That itself wasnt the main issue, although the dm was already not ok with anyone playing child characters & had explicitly said so. The big issue came in when he started explaining the backstory of his character, sexualized his CHILD character & literally described her as jail bait. The dm gave him an ultimatum: either change his character completely or be kicked from the game & from the club the game was apart of before we even had a single session. He refused to change his character so he was kicked. His parents are both really powerful & high up lawyers, who were known to throw money at all their problems, so we knew if we tried to do anything to get him on some sort of watch list or something, it wouldn't go anywhere. Last I heard from him tho, that whole conflict was a massive reality check for him & hes actually been working on becoming a better person overall & been getting help for his issues

[@ramirezthesilvite]

You know, it's perfectly fine to have a dark and gritty "realistic" campaign, but you need to inform your players beforehand, first of all. Not everyone will want to play that way. Second, your players' choices need to matter. As DM you are running a game for the players. If you want to dictate what happens to them without giving them any agency, just write a damn book. That's pretty common advice for every railroading DM: Just write a book.

[@tinkerer3399]

Haha, gotta love that """""""""""""""""""realistic""""""""""""""""""" flavour.

[@kirbyhatesincels917]

Also, some players may have actually been r/ped and don’t want a disgusting, useless incel triggering their PTSD.

[@Kreptic]

That's not very gucci of you

[@BlazingOwnager]

The thing with this story is the gritty realistic part of it is not what crossed the line. Having the kingdom oppose them was a challenge the players seemed very down with. I'd say they were being a little too sensitive if that, itself, was the problem. .... everything that happened following that was 'GTFO' territory.

[@WolfyFancyLads]

The thing is, we've seen gritty happen well. Call of Cthulhu, Ravenloft (that's the one, yeah? Big evil place with little to no escape?), Fallout games or even just generic DnD adventures with drama. People can enjoy gritty, but there's a difference between gritty like a gritted icy path and gritty as in "GRANDMA GOT RAN OVER BY A LORRY FULL OF GRIT!!!". When it comes to roleplaying games, the level of grit is determined by module, but if it ever exceeds 50% (50% being hard truths, deaths and mention of unpleasant sexual events but never shown them) then it becomes uncomfortable for players. And if the players aren't feeling it then, much like a tandem bike that snapped in two while you were on the rear seat, you better start backpedaling your plot ideas or be prepared to eat the grit you see.

[@ivanivan744]

This guy wanted a captive audience for his fanfiction, but took it too literally

[@MipedianSky]

The more of these I listen to, the more I come to terms that I am doing amazing as a DM. I have only been at it for about two months but I am getting solid praise from the group and have determined that my self depreciation could be new DM jitters/trying not to get too full of myself. The group consists of people I know and all, but one, are from another group (that dm is one of my players). I feel like it is good karma to DM for the regular DM and he is having a great time. The worst experience I have been a part of-though not nearly a horror story by this channel standards-was a DM that would not stop accepting additional players until the player count was eleven. I quit quite quickly. I played with them later on once all the extra/toxic players were cut down through the drama I avoided but it wasn’t much better. The DM and two remaining players were playing literally every night regardless of my attendance. Since I was missing more than half the story, I quit again. I ended up not talking to them for about a year until the DM rolled into my instant messages with an emote. I am like what do you want? He said “nothing” and was just wondering if I was alive. That annoyed me so I called him out on passive aggressively excluding me. This is a shorter version with many of the details skipped that resulted as it did. Effectively, I had seen him passive aggressively hate someone else and felt that I was getting the same treatment. It was particularly disappointing since, when he was not being a dick, I had a lot of fun with them.

[@FiresplitterSpeedrun]

I cried watching this... People can call me a snowflake if they want for not being able to handle some "realistic story", but I feel so sad for the players and I wish them the best and that this never ever happens to them or anyone else again.

[@playahsan]

The second saddest part (after the, well, obvious) was that up until that moment the story sounded kinda cool. All the DM had to do was make the king sigh and tell them that they really shouldn't do it in public and then maybe he'll turn a blind eye on that. That's it. After that the game could've gone for a long time. But nooooo, he just had to recreate his favorite hentai doujin and get offended when others are weirded out. Also props for store owner who acted like a parent chastising a kid.

[@Nuggette]

honestly the king could've stayed an asshole that they would rebel against. How cool would it be for the "prized" (I guess they were chosen by the legendary heroes) students of academy to turn against it and overthrow the shitty government they were forced serve? But no DM just had to get offended by these "snowflakes"

[@liamdalemon1525]

can I just point out that these players are true martyrs. when they were told to disavow their team or be killed they decided to show the crowd OF FU- they decided to show the crowd that their society was wrong, even if no one would listen. those PCs are MUCH better heroes than the people the town calls "HeRoEs" if they are willing to die to support gay rights. GO LESBIANS!

[@bainbonic]

Ah yes, the kind of person who screams "snowflake" whenever anybody calls them out for being a prick. It's like they don't see the irony....

[@acenosce3334]

i believe the DM was a right wing conservative.

[@acenosce3334]

@Axl Dave i do, but his attitude implies reactionary conservative thinking

[@benderandownz]

@@acenosce3334 with how offended he got, he was definitely a left wing Liberal.

[@acenosce3334]

@@benderandownz I'm one nd i don't see them acting lie that. definitely right thing with the way he handles what people on that side of the spectrum view as taboo. which is stuff like homesexuals, lesbians, LGBTQ, etc. which is in this railroad.

[@benderandownz]

@@acenosce3334 sounds like a liberal, sexist and racist but blaming conservatives for it. I see it all the time, strange how you don't see it. On another note, why would it matter if they are liberal or conservative?

[@jaycraw6978]

I've been forced to change Class once. But the DM made sure I knew that the NPC was forcing my character into a role she didnt want to be in to the point that she had a break down and killed them, exploding into a massive plot where all the PCs had to deal with trauma kicked off from that event. It was kinda crazy

[@ottokarl5427]

I don't know how you can even act like that. As a DM, I once (once!) had a bit of a "damsel in distress" scene with one of my female players/characters. Not only did I ask her beforehand and even discussed the scene a bit with her (since her character was basically part of a magical trap but wouldn't be able to interfer in the following fight), but I also apologized like a hundred times to her, explaining why it would work best with her character, with what kinds of setup she would be comfortable etc. And while everything played out really well and everyone (including her) were excited about the whole scene, it still felt a bit weird to look at my group and basically say "well, you are all heroes, except for you girly, you are the damsel-eyecandy lol" So how anyone actually can think do just throw a rape-story on their players and be suprised that they are not on board is truely beyond me...

[@its_sisha_not_chair505]

You're a good dm mate