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[@TheInternetInvestigator]

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[@sexygirlmax2019]

Hi. Thank you for covering this and despite its ugliness, you have to remember that MANY SOs were registered because they were homeless and had to pee in an alleyway because they are not allowed in "public" toilets. Being a SO does not equal being an abuser. Sincerely, a CSA/SA victim who has experienced homelessness and is extremely aware of the prison slavery complex and why it is profitable to criminalize homeless people since it means non working people will now provide labor for pennies on the hour (i think like 2 cents an hour).

[@lafenetre9733]

This subreddit seems to have the same problem that incel forums have, which is their attempt to be a “support group” ultimately falls apart because there is no professional mediator that is telling them when they are having harmful thoughts

[@nationalinstituteofcheese3012]

The ones trying to change are being polluted by people trying to justify their actions

[@Silvermoon424]

YES. This is also why p*do support forums are usually dangerous, because they lack professional mediators and so they collapse into minimizing and self-justifications. There's a reason why substance abuse support groups are headed by a sober person (either one who's never had an addiction or is years into recovery).

[@lafenetre9733]

@@Silvermoon424 i was thinking of those too, I remember hearing about the “MAP” forums where they advertised themselves as therapeutic support for non-offenders. The thing is though, all these people would talk about was their age preferences for children (which were alarmingly often toddler-age) and I think I remember one where they were discussing how moving to japan is “safer” for them considering the low age of consent (which was a common misconception but…pedos gonna pedo i guess)

[@kenirainseeker539]

Exactly, they're feeding into each other's worst impulses instead of encouraging improvement

[@lafenetre9733]

@icqgo3348 like said in the video, i understand that these people need professional therapy and/or other psychiatric needs, since technically their perversions are a mental illness. This is more to keep them at bay, to keep them from reoffending. The issue is that they often don’t act in their best interests and continue their harm anyways. I know someone who has been a social worker for years and had worked with sex offenders before, and unfortunately the minimizing and denial are all too real

[@violetvalentine999]

last guy really said "i took one queer studies course & now i'm coming out as a s/x offender because i'm persecuted too"

[@babaroga1192]

This isn’t a knock against actual homosexuals as queer theory is incredibly homophobic but the founders of queer theory were pedophiles

[@loger6995]

victimhood olympics lol.

[@clairehann2681]

The problem is that the philosophical logic is applied correctly. Those q. theorists argue in favor of absolutely shocking behavior in the quest for eliminating s*xual "oppression." That's why they get so much criticism. They're practically apologists and sneak that shit in there just about every chance they get

[@cherrycolareal]

​​@brony_in_the_sticks pfp, channel name, and post "history" check out

[@adwarriorlegend1]

All the reason these people should exist

[@JamesFromTexas]

I had a soldier who got busted for CP and he tried the "I didn't look for it, it just popped up" defense. They seized every single electronic device he had, did their forensic magic, and, expectedly, found he searched for it like 100 and something separate times.

[@nationalinstituteofcheese3012]

Even if it was on accident, he should’ve reported it.

[@sexygirlmax2019]

@@nationalinstituteofcheese3012 The problem here is that you will still be charged if you saw it. Even if you report it. Meaning people cant report it unless they want to be thrown in prison themselves.

[@davidh7177]

​@@sexygirlmax2019is that true? It sounds a bit far fetched, whats the point in a report button if you just end up in jail? I've seen a couple of content creators who do these Deep Dives on the Internet and they report the stuff they've never ended up in jail. It sounds like a law that American States would use rather than anywhere else lol, not that the world is much better. Lol (made myself sound anti American and I assure you am not!) Lol

[@thegoat7628]

@@sexygirlmax2019this is a lie

[@OreoCookieCrumble]

​@@davidh7177You shouldn't be. If you find it in the US, as long as you anonymously report it to the tipline and don't download or save it, you should be fine.

[@SuperVaIle]

I remember seeing a father on TV complaining that it wasn't fair that his son got a couple of months in jail for """5 minutes of fun""" as if he's punished for his gratification, not the lifetime of suffering the terribly traumatized victim had to deal with for the rest of her life. He seemed to legitimately think she should just have to live with that trauma for his son to get "5 minutes of fun" without consequences.

[@samueldesmond440]

Well she's going to have to live with that trauma regardless of what happens to the perpetrator.

[@SuperVaIle]

@@samueldesmond440 so there should never be any consequences for any criminals because you can't literally change the past? It's disgusting that the father disregarded her life-changing trauma to focus on how the abusers experience of the crime.

[@samueldesmond440]

@@SuperVaIle Wow, that's a leap of logic. No punishment can change the past. Think about it.

[@SuperVaIle]

@@samueldesmond440 ofc not, that's how time works. But accountability it will absolutely improve the future of the victim, the victims family and the world in general when criminals are held accountable for their abuse. Stating that justice can't change the past certainly sounds like an argument not to pursue it, and sounds like something that father would argue just so his monster spawn won't face any consequences even though it'll just make his victims trauma even worse, so I really don't see the point of bringing that up unless it is to de-legitimize criminal accountability as pointless.

[@samueldesmond440]

@@SuperVaIle Justice and punishment are not the same thing. No punishment will ever make things "just" for the victim. The Old Testament mentality of an eye for an eye does not restore the victim's sight. Society is obsessed with sentencing and never gives a moment's thought to rehabilitation. We've been punishing criminals for millennia and yet crime is going nowhere. These people are broken. They need to be repaired.

[@haleighokay]

The girl with the brother needs a therapist. She accuses a girl of lying then goes on to say he touched her inappropriately too. He’s going to end up hurting more people and being a drug addict isn’t an excuse.

[@CrazyGalaxyCat]

also i want to know why the parents thought it be good idea to have him at home with the younger kids, he should of stayed in a hospital till he was better.

[@sabrinagranger5468]

Yup, she is really down in a dark place. She just loves rapists because of some sort of issues she needs to get a grip on because the way she keeps supporting them is dangerous.

[@gooeater1544]

@@CrazyGalaxyCat unfortunately a lot of parents undermine what their sons have done, its super common, they probably refuse to acknowledge just how terrible he was. i hope that girl can wake up and realize she needs to get away from him

[@JetstreamTheSexSam]

I mean, the babysitter could be lying if what they said is true

[@JetstreamTheSexSam]

@nl-ho4wm it doesn't make sense why no one touched on the fact that the babysitter could be lying, regardless of how inappropriate he was with the sister

[@ActuallyAShrimp]

I was 12 when I went to court against my "grandfather" I lost. I had no proof, it was my word against his. I was 6 to 9 during the multiple assaults. Diagnosed with ptsd, but that wasnt enough to get the judges to sentence him as guilty. He has faced no consequences, only I have. Ptsd, anxiety, borderline agoraphobia, severe depression. I am scarred for life and he didnt even get a slap on the wrist. I dont understand why people would ever want to do these things to others. I hope they finally face real karma.

[@chocomelo454]

I feel you there. I hate how people will always assume that a child is lying. gonna give a like.... what's it called... the thing where you talk about a thing you saw happen / expirenced so tw for that cuz I don't wanna trigger you or anyone else. beep beep beep boop so for me, they didn't have like the physical evidence like tearing or fluids. and cuz everything happened when I was asleep so the defense was "you would've woken up" it's weird. it feels like the justice system doesn't want to admit that children can be mistreated like that or that people can have un-stereyotypical expirences. there's no specific look to S/A and I wish others would realize that. I'm so sorry that they didn't listen to you, btw. I wish the legal system would realize that there isn't a look to abuse including the SO kind.

[@ActuallyAShrimp]

@@chocomelo454 it's tragic. I hope you have a good support system and can heal. May both of these monsters get karma, whether it be late or in death they should suffer for eternity.

[@chocomelo454]

@@ActuallyAShrimp 100% I deeply believe in karma, idk why, but given what your grandpa did he's definitely getting the worst and frankly I support karma doing that. like good riddance. SO's are a blight on humanity.

[@theMyRadiowasTaken]

​@@chocomelo454unrelated but why are you EVERYWHERE at least im pretty sure its all you. dont know how many people have sims 2 bella goth pfps

[@chocomelo454]

@@theMyRadiowasTaken considering how I cropped the PFP myself and am very bat at cropping I'll tell you that you can't even see her amazing dress, yeah that's me LOL I just watch a lot of KZbin. if I'm not YouTubing I'm dead probably

[@lonneydmz]

Imagine researchers from the future trying to retrieve stuff from our culture and instead of finding our greatest inventions they find Reddit

[@Briguy8919]

Someone should turn this KZbin comment into a comedy

[@ColdNicole]

​@@Briguy8919a mocumentry would be awesome lol

[@goodbher9244]

To be fair, reddit has amazing communities of great people. It just also has very dark sides. Much like society in general.

[@lonneydmz]

@@goodbher9244 true

[@SlenderWolf109]

To be fair, this subreddit would be incredibly valuable to anthropologists. The posts often go into detail about the laws regarding sex offenders in different areas and a glimpse into the psychology of the offenders themselves. Remember, science is super messy and a lot of valuable sociology research nowadays has focused on crime-heavy communities, like gangs and prostitute communities!

[@virigorn]

At first, I was very shocked at how many people in this subreddit were seeming to excuse an offender's actions, even the ones who weren't offenders themselves. Then I remembered how I was treated by my own friends in high school when I came out as having been repeatedly molested by one of our mutual friends for months when I was 14 to the point that I was afraid that he was soon going to rpe me. I was met with either people acting as if they didn't know or complaining about how "hard" it would be On Them to cut him off. People love to act as if they would be repulsed by these sickos but when it comes down to it, they're too much of a coward to do even the bare minimum to provide some sense of solidarity to the victims. What these offenders don't seem to get is that they get away with a slap on the wrist compared to what victims go through. I still have vivid nightmares of my own CoCSA experience that make me wake up drenched in sweat even years later.

[@sexygirlmax2019]

as another CSA and COCSA survivor i am so sorry.

[@radicalvenus]

yeah exactly what the partners go through is like a sliver of what the actual survivors like you have to go through. It's horrible imo how willing we are to see the "pain" they're going through while ignoring the pain that supporting predators causes

[@sukriti7213]

So many people act like they're disgusted by them but when they reach a crossroad where it will affect them personally it's fucking shocking how many choose to sympathize with the abuser. "Oh, but you'll destroy his career" and "She must have lied for clout," were the shit I heard from my school when my friend reported a Physics teacher for SAing her (it was caught on CCTV too,) I'm pretty sure they fired him without reporting to preserve their reputation lmao. I'm sure there were more cases he caused, that I never heard about. Really opened my eyes. I'm really sorry that happened to you--fuck those people and I hope you find healing.

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

I'm so sorry you went through that. It's honestly disgusting how victims of such crimes are treated and how normalised some forms of SA are, and people wonder why most victims don't speak out or report to the police. A few years ago an acquaintance (friend of a few friends and in the same social circles) was convicted for having CP on his computer, almost everyone defended him and were scrambling to make excuses for him. Me and one of my friends were the only ones who stood our ground and refused to accept the bs. Needless to say, we don't really associate with any of that group any more 🖤

[@johnpaulclarkson4671]

​@TheInternetInvestigator standing your ground against peer pressure is to be applauded

[@LotusDecember]

The comparison between p----files and LGBT+ people is such a nasty one. We've been getting compared to them for EVER. I'm so tired of it. Sure, they need help, whatever. But they are NOT like the LGBT+ community. No one is HARMED by a consensual same sex relationship between two adults. No one is affected by a person being trans outside of themselves. I've been getting called a "gr--mer" constantly over the past year or (I wouldn't even date anyone more than a year or two younger than me, jfc) so because of this comparison gaining popularity and I find it so emotionally taxing.

[@hellbound_psyker]

Let's not forget that LGBT people, especially trans people, are more likely to be victims of SA. While I am not a victim myself I am trans and this boiled my blood.

[@JohnAlcott238]

Its nazi shit is what it is. It's the same damn rethoric used by the nazis in the 1920s and early 30s. Before mocking this opinion looked it up. Calling gay people or trans people child predators is exactly what they did.

[@paz1514]

Probably cause you been calling people bigots and nazis for literal small disagreements for the last 8 years. People got tired of it so they fought back. Can't be super surprised by that.

[@lavendereyes1533]

@@paz1514I mean if someone called me a pedophile and sex offender I’d probably call them a Nazi too. Anti LGBTQ rhetoric way predates “the last 8 years”. There have historically been very real consequences for being queer that could land you in prison or dead. If you’re so sensitive that you can’t handle a marginalized group calling you names, you need to grow up.

[@flunkiebubs2002]

​@@paz1514Maybe you just shouldn't be a bigot.

[@Joanna-hq2el]

I deeply appreciate you pointing out the suffering that p philes cause while addressing the complaints of how they’re treated

[@AshChiCupcak]

As a parent, I want nothing to do with these types of people, but I still believe anyone who seeks help, should absolutely be given it. Even stopping one person from committing a crime would be worth it. There are some people I believe are beyond help, but there are so many more that actually want help, but are afraid to seek it out.

[@femmecomm]

We absolutely need more accessible psychiatric treatment for people who have urges to harm children or look at child abuse material before they commit a crime. (But, in general we need more accessible healthcare) That in combination with our prison system basically being adult time out instead of a place to attempt to rehabilitate criminals. The United States has a very high recidivism rate, and this is a huge factor in it. If we're going to be a civilized society, we need to invest in doing the work to actually prevent crime.

[@GuyNamedSean]

@@femmecommYeah, our system is basically designed to take someone who had committed a single crime and turn them into a life-long repeat offender.

[@stinkmymeat]

@icqgo3348people like you with thinking like yours are exactly why recidivism is such a problem. Try reading.

[@ResidentMilf]

​@@femmecommThat's because the US prison system is privatized, and rehabilitation means loss of profit. It's not that they *can't* rehabilitate criminals; they don't want to.

[@m.nic.5080]

I heard about that sub a while ago, when I looked at it the first post I saw was from a guy who asked if it was possible to get put on the registry preemptively without having committed any crimes, because he was so afraid that he would offend and didn’t want to, and wanted to keep others safe by being publicly known and avoided. The comments basically encouraged him to offend but in a “low level” way to get on the registry “without hurting too many people” and it was terrifying. Guy probably actually just needed a therapist

[@sexygirlmax2019]

Thats so sad. He was probably a victim as a child and needed true help. Not being told to piss in the street smh

[@davidh7177]

That kid needed help from a... therapist or a psychologist, I dont know. Not to be told to "low level offend" to get help. A conversation with his Doctor would be a lot more helpful if that type of service was widespread and preventative!

[@SpecialBlanket]

sounds like POCD or similar. i know a girl who is terrified she's a pedophile bc she has intrusive images of child abuse. she's a survivor of child abuse and isn't attracted to children whatsoever but she still thinks this makes her a pedophile.

[@Gojosnutsock]

I recently heard someone talk about how there’s a difference between being a pedo and suffering frompedofilia. Like the video said, a lot of SO’s offend for the gratification and like the power imbalance of it. On the other hand, people who suffer from the mental illness pedofilia often suffer silently bc they obvi don’t want to hurt anyone, but at the same time can’t go and get help without the fear of the stigmatization of it all, and often times just end up 💀 themselves. Idk how much I agree, but it was defo some food for thought

[@EmeraldAshesAudio]

WTF. That sounds like an intrusive thought or something like OCD. I can't believe they gave him such awful advice. :(

[@byrrnitdown]

That article at the end could have made a cogent point about how queer people have historically been put on the sex offender registry for those consensual relationships between same-gender adults and how that would be a reason to be aware of how people on the registry are treated but no. They decided to make a weird comparison about marginalized forms of attraction - big yikes.

[@Sapient_Pearwood]

The way they are currently taught in a lot of schools doesn't foster critical or logical thinking so these people go out into the world with everything they were taught without really understanding it or being able to form coherent rational thoughts on it.

[@Oceanblue_Art_]

It might've been funny to put crying baby audio over that petulant garbage but that might just arouse these people

[@nationalinstituteofcheese3012]

I had to watch at 2x speed cause there was so much bullshit

[@JohnAlcott238]

They need to understand just because it's how you are doesn't mean you can't and shouldn't change it. Gay, straight, bi, pan etc. people or whatever don't fall into that category because their attraction isn't harmful, when two guys or a man and women or whatever get together in non abusive situations that will end either well or maybe not work out but both will be fine. When an adult and child get together that child's development is harmed, they aren't old and mature enough and you see that when they are older they live significantly harmed qualities of life and sometimes they can't dig themselves out of that. That's the difference. Maybe some people are just attracted to children but they can't be left to their own devices like any other sexuality because the other ones can be practiced healthy. You can healthily be straight, gay, etc. Pedophilia can not, it will always lead to harm for the child

[@AlexMartinez-nn2cm]

yes, especially since nowadays there's a big push in the US to deem all trans people/drag queens as groomers and the justice system there is so flawed that i can honestly see lgbt people being treated as pedophiles and punished for just existing. the same rhetoric has affected other marginalized groups like black men and continues doing so :(

[@Cappucosmic]

that post about 'oh well my husband accidentally downloaded it in a mental health episode when downloading tons of porn!' LMAO that poor, poor, delusional woman. she doesn't want to admit the reality.

[@SpecialBlanket]

that actually happened to my ex though. he was super disturbed. and i didn't "catch" him, he told me what happened that day. it was a bunch of stuff labeled as schoolgirl porn and most of it was normal but at least some of it was CP. he was torrenting it so he stopped the DL and we don't know how much was actually in there, but we were sufficiently freaked out that we just deleted it and didn't report it because we were afraid of getting in trouble.

[@Cappucosmic]

@@SpecialBlanket Your ex downloaded tons of schoolgirl porn and was surprised there was porn of actual schoolgirls?

[@iCupcakeMelaniex3]

​@@SpecialBlanket So you basically witness a crime occuing involving children and did nothing because you wanted to protect your sus husband...

[@bakihanma3026]

​@@SpecialBlanketcopium

[@pennyforyourthots]

​@@SpecialBlanket Why he was torrenting one of the most most prevalent and easily available porn genres on the surface web? Thats incredibly sus. You'd likely only torrent something like that if you were looking for some kind of defunct website _or_ you were looking for something questionable enough to not be available on surface web websites. If i had to guess, he was probably looking for "jailbait" (technically but barely legal girls) and that stuff was mixed in because tons of predators also watch that kind of content.

[@kenirainseeker539]

Being with a pedo becomes so much different when you have a kid. It's no longer just about you and your personal choices, now you are exposing a child to a known pedo and putting the offender over the kid's safety just because you don't want to separate. It's selfish.

[@WhitneyDahlin]

‼️Yes! I totally agree! SAers don't change. It's impossible. It's so incredibly difficult to make even the smallest lifestyle changes permanently. Such as eating healthier, or drinking more water, or exercising more. It takes such a massive amount of time energy dedication self-discipline and effort that over 83% of people fail and are back to their old ways in 3 months. 94 percent of people give up on their new years resolutions by March. If it's so difficult to make even the tiniest lifestyle changes imagine how much more difficult it would be to make a huge personality and moral change. That an SAer would have to make to be a good person. It would take such a MASSIVE amount of time and energy and dedication and self-control and self discipline that it's basically impossible. Even if they genuinely want to change. Everyone who wants to eat healthier genuinely wants to as well. It would take literally taking medication forever to alter their brain chemistry and years of intensive treatment to even have a CHANCE of success. People who commit crimes like that are literally lost causes. There is no hope for them. And all the statistics back it up. Once they have done it one time the vast VAST majority of SO WILL do it again. So why do we keep giving them chances to harm innocent people?!?? No. No second chances. The chance they had to be a good person was the life they lived before CHOOSING to SA a child. They are incapable of change and ALL of the studies show that. So why are we even giving them their freedom back at all?

[@ImaginaryAlchemist]

Exactly! I can't imagine knowingly having a child with a p*do, or staying with them after finding out they are one. I would never be able to trust them

[@lenaboyer6981]

Yeah and I just want to ask those people what’s worse, leaving your spouse because of a crime they committed, or your child growing up to hate you because you didn’t do enough to protect them as a child from a known offender? It should be a no-brainer :(

[@Ziko577]

@@WhitneyDahlin This is so true but I've seen so many shows like Dr. Phil & Steve Wilkos where these women let these men get away with this and then you wonder why when your kids grow up they hate you and want answers? Time and time again, the man comes first and not the children and the outcomes are devastating. So what if that guy makes a lot of money or does such and such in the community? If he molests and/or SA's your child or children, that's it. There's noo more chances to be given out and the law should take over at that point.

[@INSERTNAMExHERE]

I got raped by an older guy in his 20s when I was 16 multiple times in 1 night. I'm in my early 30s now and still fight that trauma. I feel zero sympathy for offenders and wholeheartedly believe they belong under the prison.. not in them. It's absolutely repulsive that there's a subreddit like this that exists, and people actually defend those.. scum.

[@sunnyandthechlo]

@@sit-insforsithis1568They’re applying their own experiences to the discussion. It’s kinda how a lot of discussion works?

[@jian6569]

​@@sit-insforsithis1568tf is wrong with you, mf is an npc

[@ratdog6317]

so sorry you had to experience that. don't EVER let anyone try to guilt trip you for not sympathizing with these people, theyre not sorry, they're not changed, and you're not crazy or bitter for knowing that.

[@ethribin4188]

Agreed. SO shouldnt be defended for their crime. Given a chance to better themselves and rehabilitate and integrate? Sure. But they commited a crime! One of the worst. And that should never be excused nor defended!

[@ratdog6317]

@@ethribin4188 given a chance to integrate? nope. if they want to so called "improve and better themselves" they can go ahead & do it from behind bars. besides if they were actually remorseful they would understand that prison is where they deserve to stay, even if they WANT to be free, they would accept that they do not deserve to, and would accept that as the consequence of their actions. the fact that they even try to get out shows they are not sorry and are only thinking about what THEY want.

[@flyingwaytooclosetothesun]

i’m a victim of SA. the night i happened i called an old roommate and she picked me up and took me to the emergency room. we immediately reported the crime and i gave all the information i could. two days later his MOM texted me saying i should drop the charges and to think of her son’s future and that he’ll get kicked out of his college for it and he’ll miss so many opportunities if he’s on the registry. i can’t believe a mother would reach out to a young woman to minimise a traumatic event like that obv i didn’t drop the charges and i had to testify in court bc it wasn’t his first offense

[@ReadilyAvailibleChomper]

Maybe the mother was in shock that it her son did such a thing and wasn’t thinking right I hope.

[@thatgui88]

​@@ReadilyAvailibleChomper I find that women tend to be in denial when something serious like that happens.

[@mistianthorn7527]

@@ReadilyAvailibleChomperif this wasn’t his first time then she’s been covering for him for a very long time. This is just the first time someone is actually doing something about it.

[@anon3263]

The mental gymnastics this guy has to compare LGBTQ+ rights to SOs - hes gotta be stuck in a time loop

[@theMyRadiowasTaken]

"hes gotta be stuck in a time loop" is now my favourite thing to say about anyone

[@femmecomm]

It's a very long held belief and stereotype about gay men specifically. Bigots never want to actually look at any statistics though. If they did, they'd find that the vast majority of CSA is committed by straight adult men against female children.

[@y2ksurvivor]

You should look into the guy that came up with the trans flag.

[@theMyRadiowasTaken]

@@y2ksurvivor the woman, and what, exactly, am i supposed to find on her?

[@femmecomm]

@@y2ksurvivor they're a woman. a friend was in a college class with her.

[@mi-no3wk]

I got banned from this sub a couple days ago for telling someone CP wasn't a victimless crime and saying that most people there had no sense of accountability lol

[@AleTitan]

Now I wanna go on it just to get banned

[@darkstarr984]

@@AleTitanGetting banned from subs with awful moderation and horrible posts is pretty fun

[@dumptruck_babs]

Reddit is fucking wild. I posted in r/r*ape once because I wanted to tell someone about my trauma but was too scared to reach out to people irl. Within minutes of the post being up I was inundated with dms asking for more details and telling me "Just don't be such a slut." I reported every account and as far as I know, none of them were reprimanded at all. But you'll get banned in an instant for not enabling a rape apologist echo chamber. Thanks Reddit 🥴

[@atomicskies_]

@@mi-no3wk depends on the what it is but yes that can be true, same with any videos of abuse, regardless of age

[@iMajoraGaming]

@@atomicskies_ what?

[@michellefrye9325]

This is one of those “good in theory, bad in practice” situations. Cause it’s great to think of a resource to help offenders curb their destructive behaviors, but it cannot work in a free for all setting like this. There needs to be a therapist or something overseeing this and maybe have it in a more private space

[@Beccanin]

that woman whose husband went off with another woman who found CSEM and wants to stay with him is..... it's so irresponsible to the safety of her child i'm actively disgusted :/

[@fawn2911]

The OP defending her SO brother and calling his harm towards the underaged babysitter "alleged" is so unhinged. She literally admitted that he assaulted her but still refuses to believe he's capable of SA 😐

[@loganmorningstar9122]

I was getting angrier and angrier while hearing her saying that shit. Like. I had to skip ahead to avoid intense rage.

[@JetstreamTheSexSam]

I believe her, he's deeply disturbed but probably didn't assault anyone, just didn't understand boundaries

[@Gayditor]

@@JetstreamTheSexSam that’s still assault, whether intentional or not

[@JetstreamTheSexSam]

@@Gayditor I don't really believe her

[@Gayditor]

@@JetstreamTheSexSam irrelevant

[@tradingfriends]

As someone who has experienced psychosis: if your brother is inappropriately touching you, he needs to be removed from your home. You are a victim. You need support as a victim. He needs mental help, but bottom line: he has demonstrated that he is a danger to you and should not be in your home.

[@AnonTheAnon]

hello. I am that person, and if you sort by newest comments, you can read my clarification.

[@savageinkstudios2969]

Yeah cops are not trying to arrest people who come across it accidentally. I was browsing an art website when someone uploaded a bunch of really inappropriate pictures of a very young girl. I called the police station and they didnt even want to come check it out. They eventually did but made it seem like an inconvenience.

[@sexygirlmax2019]

Yeah because cops arent the ones you should have reported it to. COPS dont do Shit. You should have reported it to cybertipline. But yes, if they take it seriously and there is real children and real nudity, you will also be charged with CP. Your one experience of your local police proving that theyre pedophiles doesnt mean that in another city they would eagerly charge you with any crime they can becaue it means 1 more person working for prison slave labor. Lol

[@notaperson9831]

But they will absolutely charge teenagers who send nudes to each other with CP.

[@kirin-6202]

Some creepy mf got angry at me (he was like 40,I just turned 18 like 2 weeks ago at that time) and sent me CP photos saying that's his daughter and other disgusting stuff. I reported him to the FBI website.

[@notaperson9831]

@@kirin-6202 thats horrifying

[@Femto74628]

@@kirin-6202that’s actually insane man. I hope your eyes have recovered slightly. I remember me and my brother were on discord doing Omegle and saw some evil shit, that stuff sticks with you

[@remz4087]

I try to support rehabilitation as much as I can... As you said, it's much better that these people recognise their mistakes and try to repent for their actions so they don't reoffend. However, it's clear many users of this subreddit aren't truly sorry and are looking for sympathy instead. That "article" trying to compare offenders to LGBT people is truly heinous, especially when so many of us end up becoming victims of SA.

[@gaz7459]

@m0rianneit’s because in the earlier section of the comment, LGBT+ people are being compared to offenders - i don’t think the intention was at all to separate. it was just saying “contrary to the idea that they are offenders, they frequently are abused as well” more of an “us, too” than an “us vs them”(:

[@Silvermoon424]

​@m0rianne bruh what is this comment

[@destructokat]

@m0rianne heterosexual people aren't constantly being compared to SOs or groomers/pedophiles for merely existing in public. We all may be human but not everybody is treated by society as such, even if they've never hurt anybody. You inserted yourself yourself into a point that was never about you.

[@remz4087]

@m0rianne i mean, i was obviously responding to the article that literally compared queer people to offenders. also didn't want to have to elaborate further than needed, but i was refering to how we specifically are victims of acts such as corrective r*pe by people trying to "turn" us straight

[@falcon_arkaig]

​@m0rianneThey said "us" bc LGBT people are often victims of SA and they probably are one of those people. Why are you making assumptions?

[@AshChiCupcak]

P-files try so hard to compare themselves to them LGBTQ+ community, but they forget the one important element that must exist: Consent. Children cannot EVER consent so it will never be ok. It seems most these people have a huge problem understanding that one simple term and the weight it carries.

[@dumptruck_babs]

Comparing paraphilia/sexual preferences to sexual orientation is super dumb imo. If someone's attracted to older people (mature, milf, etc), you never see anyone comparing it to a sexual orientation. It's nothing but copium for sad pedos.

[@Surteronarto]

pedos are supported by lgbt community they are part of it, don't kno what ur talking about lol

[@atomicskies_]

Children as in really young children your right, teenagers on the other hand have, it’s more common than you think

[@humanconsumer2864]

@@atomicskies_ it being common in no way makes it okay or a sexuality

[@lauren1779]

My psychology professor had to five therapy to pediphiles and SO s and said she had to practice what’s known as “unconditional positive regard” in order to be able to be of any use knowing what they did they had to TRY and come from an unbiased doctoral lens

[@randykitchleburger2780]

Gross. I would refuse to work with these things.

[@nationalinstituteofcheese3012]

@@randykitchleburger2780I understand but someone has to do the job. Someone has to fix these people.

[@Scrap_Goblin]

​@@nationalinstituteofcheese3012my good friend Gaston has several treatment options numbered 17-49

[@astrwolf5507]

@@randykitchleburger2780SOs dont just disappear when they commit crimes, they still exist in the world and after their sentencing is carried out they’re still around. better to put them in therapy than to pretend like they don’t exist anymore and do nothing

[@imsleepy6211]

Those who have realized the pain they caused honestly give me some sort of hope. I've been SAd a lot, and the idea of someone feeling bad for doing that and changing for the better is probably the only good outcome. However, it sucks that some of them have to end up being a FATHER (usually to a girl) to see how bad it was. I don't count as a person, but your daughter does, and you'd wouldn't want what you did to me to happen to your daughter, and now suddenly I'm a person.

[@Sch1sMx]

you are never obligated to forgive your abuser, ever, for any reason but it takes a level of introspection to gain hope from something you see in someone you hate. i hope you heal quickly from it all and it doesnt weigh you down. recognize your strengths, dont forgive or forget but move ahead and hope the best for them for the sake of their communities

[@eptck]

i’ll say this as someone who has been SAd . the way i see it is that the only thing that is real is your actions . your thoughts and motives may influence your action , but your actions are the only things that have any real consequences . this goes for SOs in two ways : 1. obviously SAing someone . that’s something they did that they can never take back , regardless of how remorseful they might be about it . but 2 , and perhaps more interestingly , this applies to their future actions as well . if they choose not to reoffend , i don’t think it really matters that much /why/ they chose that , just that they did . regardless of if they are remorseful for what they did or if they’re just scared of dying in jail , they are still choosing not to hurt more people , and that to me will always be a positive

[@Sch1sMx]

i think this is my favorite way this has been said. no matter how it happens the important thing is its not happening

[@TarotLadyLissa]

I was a CSA victim. It happened several times between the ages of 5-11. I wasn't his first victim, and when released he reoffended with another family member. He served a laughable sentence of 3 years in jail. I don't blame myself and am not ashamed of what happened either. However, here I am, some 35 years after the fact and I STILL suffer from it! It affected many aspects of my life and even with therapy (still ongoing) I still wake up at night in a terrified state if I think I hear footsteps outside of my bedroom door when I'm trying to sleep. even if he could have been rehabilitated, I wouldn't trust the man around kids EVER! Fuck him!

[@SpecialBlanket]

glad to hear someone else feel the same way. i also have been SA'd many times unfortunately and i'm not ashamed of it at all and i have never blamed myself even a little bit. it has nothing to fucking do with me, why would I feel bad about what someone else did? it could have been any female with a pulse, or hell, any male either. otoh i understand people who are ashamed bc they were forced to participate in elaborate ways and stuff like that, and CSA victims often feel weird about having liked getting attention from a parent which is completely normal but i understand why someone could have a complex about that.

[@TheGamingG810]

Plot twist: he had kids With a kid💀💀💀😱😱😱😱😱☠️☠️🦨🦨🦨🦨🤢🤢🤢🤢

[@s.m5576]

@@TheGamingG810slit

[@TheGamingG810]

@@s.m5576 ?

[@ABCshell]

I was browsin this subreddit recently and asked a poster, why they had CP? Actual curiosity, and i got a lot of introspective replies but was banned almost instantly and attacked in messges. Offenders are soft as Frick, cant handle hearing about their own behavior

[@beardpandaa]

I feel like anybody that's rehabilitated probably wouldn't be super open about it in public. It's not something someone would openly want to admit if you have shame about it. The stigma doesn't really help us know how many rehabilitated SOs there are

[@penelope-oe2vr]

0 there are ZERO rehabilitated SO's. There, I did it for you.

[@SupaSavage24]

@@penelope-oe2vrI think that’s honestly a reach. Any grown man with a minor we can all agree is wrong point blank, period. However there are lots of people that were 17 and maybe did stuff with a 15 year old when age of consent is 16-18. Particularly sticky in states where it’s 16. Not to mention the laws with sexting are pretty black and white and sexting in that age group is so common, they’re still hitting seniors in high school with CP charges. Should they get off scot free? I’m not saying that, kinda case by case.Should that 17 year old know better, yes. But do they really deserve to be lumped in with bottom of the barrel scum of the earth? No. A lot of times it’s cases they could get stuff lowered into something that wouldn’t put so many roadblocks for them becoming a productive member of society like college, etc. but when they can’t afford a lawyer a lot of them just plea out and get cast out of society before they ever really had a chance. Not making excuses for any grown ass adult, but there are a very small minority of those people that i feel for.

[@jayberarchive6863]

@@penelope-oe2vrseeing as how you can be put on the registry as a minor for shit like pissing in a bush outside, I wouldn’t go that far, but I understand the sentiment. You can’t rehabilitate people that don’t want to be rehabilitated.

[@bruh-bh3kk]

​@B.Roy_24 yeah because they tootally meant those people 😐

[@SupaSavage24]

@@bruh-bh3kk well that’s why you can’t just make everything so black and white like the comment I was originally replying to, smart one.

[@toobytah]

My ex is a SO. When I started dating him I was 19 and he was 28. He was going through the trial of being charged for dating and having inappropriate contact with two separate minors, he 26 and they 16 at the time. The way he would talk about those girls and hold them to an adult standard manipulated me to seeing them as the problem. “Oh if only she hadn’t used the legal system bc she was upset she was broken up with” kinda shit. I’m so so ashamed I had anything to do with him and ever said or thought poorly of these girls for doing the right thing and reporting him. Looking back I’m so glad they had the strength to do what they did and I wish I had been in a healthier frame of mind to support them instead of their abuser. He had a habit of finding girls, yes GIRLS, who had a hard home life he could “save them from” and become their white knight. Then he would also belittle and dehumanize them for being too young to understand or handle adult life. I hope he never finds this sub, and if he does everyone shamed him for being the pos he probably still is.

[@NoNo-vv4vo]

You were young and targeted because of it, you can forgive yourself.

[@Beephomets]

LGBT folk activities are between concenting adults; S/os assult ppl who didnt concent or who cant concent (i.e children) The Article is garbage

[@sexygirlmax2019]

No they dont. You need to rewire how you see SOs. Many SOs have never hurt anyone else. Many of them are homeless people who had to pee in a bush or pee in an alleyway. Sincerely a child sexual abuse survivor who has experienced homelessness and is well aware of the prison slavery complex. Educate yourself love

[@nationalinstituteofcheese3012]

Exactly. Two men of the same age having sex doesn’t leave mental scars.

[@sexygirlmax2019]

Also youre a furry so you have no say 💀

[@SPACEDOUT19]

maybe look up at the percentage of SO's in LGBT...

[@k3upikachu]

I saw a horrifying video on TWITTER once and I reported it immediately and still wonder if that child is okay/safe now. So, yes, it is possible to stumble across that material, but you'd need to seek it out to be caught/convicted for viewing or possessing it. Refusing to acknowledge that intent shows they aren't even willing to take the first step towards repenting and trying to rehabilitate themselves, but honestly I'm not even sure that's possible for a lot of them. The recidivism for those crimes is huge

[@ellishale2523]

As a COCSA survivor (he was a teen, I was preschool-aged), my primary feeling about offenders in general has been that they should have more accessible help - many of them only end up accessing subpar care through the (fucked) prison system because our laws make it actively dangerous to admit even thinking of things without offending. Other countries have pioneered programs that make reaching out for help easier. However, many of those people are likely those who have disordered attractions - and MOST contact offenders (as opposed to digital) against children are not attracted to them particularly, they are simply opportunistic. This was the case for my abuser, who had no preference and assaulted girls his own age around the time he was abusing very young children. Just whoever was available and vulnerable. On the other hand, this is just my intellectual and moral stand on the topic. My abuser grew into a remorseless man who walks free every day and taking little moments to torment his victims - I encountered him once while in a store while I was with my mother and he waited for her to turn away before winking at me. I don’t think a person like that WILL ever change, regardless of if it is possible. It’s a tough situation to square my moral and intellectual understanding of offending and the stigma (the SO registry is a horrific human rights violation on many levels, whether the person on the list is a serial assaulted or someone registered for harmless reasons like cruising for gay sex while that was being harshly policed) with my emotional situation with my own case.

[@Jessiepinkman400]

Or dox him

[@serpenking]

I love how that one OP is like, "not to diminish the babysitter's trauma or imply she was lying about being assaulted, but heres why she was lying about being assaulted"

[@AnonTheAnon]

hello. I am that person, and if you sort by newest comments, you can read my clarification.

[@SevereNightmares]

I was slowly starting to get more and more pissed off as that last article went on. As a aroace trans man, the oppression we face is far less deserved than the "oppression" S-offenders face. As you stated, they *choose* to commit those crimes. I didn't choose to be trans! Why the hell would I actively choose this shit? There are people who want people like me dead for simply existing! There are people who want SOs dead for what they've done due to their own depraved choices. That's the difference. The choice. The deserved consequence of their actions. I didn't have a choice in who I am. They had the option of choice to hurt people. They chose their own need for gratification over the consent and safety of their victims.

[@JohnAlcott238]

I think the difference is the harm. You being trans effects no one but you and even then taking action on that through transition helps you. Letting you be only leads to positive results. Them being... well them leads to years of therapy and trauma for innocent children. I'm sure some of them just like children and can't help their attraction. I just don't accept the excuse. To me they have the responsibility to control their attraction.

[@gachatana9656]

​@@JohnAlcott238 And the choice. We don't choose this path. They actively choose the path they're on and refuse help. They're bad people. LGBT who choose to do bad things and be bad people are hated within the community. But absolutely no way will we be hated for walking down the street!

[@JohnAlcott238]

@gachatana9656 I don't think anyone chooses to be a pedophile. They just have a responsibility to control that unlike straight or gay people. The choice doesn't matter its who's affected by that choice. Nobody is affected by straight people doing the deed, or gay people doing the deed. Kids are given horrible life long repercussions when pedophiles mess with them. See its wrong regardless of being choice. In a world where sexuality is a choice being gay would still be just as valid as straight because again, it's nobody else's business. Pedophiles would still be garbage in that world.

[@atomicskies_]

How about we just not have anybody dead? Also how did you not choose to be trans? I don’t get it, usually people aren’t forced to be trans as far as I’ve seen.

[@mikaylahowes2992]

As a case manager who works with developmentally disabled individuals with problematic s*xual behaviors, this is all very interesting to me. Some are registered. With almost all of my cases, there are levels of victimization and perpetration. It's not an easy job to hear them talk about their struggles, however I have learned that talking their feelings/urges out with a clinical treatment team has really helped. Bottling it up until it's too much is a riskier route. I truly believe there should be spaces for individuals to discuss these thoughts/feelings/ideas in a HEALTHY way to avoid further victimization. BUT this page lacks a professional to help them in these struggles, and some are making excuses. So i'm iffy about this subreddit.

[@Moncherelouis]

i do think a space for families of offenders to get support is good because that must be a horrific thing to deal with, one of my mums friends sons is in jail for rape and it makes me feel queezy just knowing that i knew him so i can’t imagine how much it must hurt his family. of course as a victim of rape i know that their pain is nothing compared to that of the victim, but i can imagine it’s still horrible.

[@nationalinstituteofcheese3012]

This subreddit needs a professional mediator

[@sunettas9738]

I'm sorry you've been hurt like that, I hope you're doing better now

[@Moncherelouis]

@@sunettas9738 thank you, im trying to get past it all but it’s a bit hard when police won’t do anything lmao

[@atomicskies_]

You’d be surprised

[@radicalvenus]

it is entirely repulsive to hear about the partners defending them and honestly i think they're just as bad for condoning that behaviour, justifying such horrific acts. Makes you less than human. I could never but i have a soul so 🤷

[@JaKingScomez]

Not as bad at all. Its a coping mechanism the partners are victims too unless they were involved.

[@radicalvenus]

@@JaKingScomez I'm sure it's a big comfort to the people they violated to know that the partner is really hurting so they sympathize with the violator

[@JaKingScomez]

@@radicalvenusya i think its like stockholm syndrome or something

[@daisiesforghosts]

Did you mean Nicki Minaj

[@buliontro]

Well theyre definitely not as bad and I think it's harsh to act as if they're on the same level. Again they're probably just processing their trauma in a way that may seem unconventional, and may be in denial about the whole situation. Either trying to make it seem less serious or blaming themselves for being SA'd instead of accepting that their partner betrayed them. Don't judge a victim for how they cope, saying this as a SA survivor myself. Also the victim might have grew up in an environment that supports rape culture and that dogma is hard to just shake of suddenly. There's a million reasons for why a victim might try to sympathize with their abuser.

[@pinkpugginz]

The one lady dating a sex offender who was SA by her brother is in denial and re-creating the same trauma over and over. She needs therapy and to be single

[@AnonTheAnon]

hello. I am that person, and if you sort by newest comments, you can read my clarification.

[@unstablesyn1306]

Someone should check the last OP's hard drive. And their professor's too, for good measure

[@Romanticoutlaw]

I cannot understand having a young child, finding out your partner is attracted to young children (offender or not), and not doing everything in your power to remove him from your lives. I feel that is your baseline duty as a parent

[@kkuudandere]

There are a few topics here that i could understand from multiple sides, but i can't POSSIBLY see how looking at csam could be a "victimless" crime. That's.... that's literally one of the most victimizing crimes😵‍💫

[@SpecialBlanket]

i mean, imagine it's on a website and you're right behind that link. the only difference that happens in the entire world if you click it is the image in your eyeballs. no one else is able to detect that you did without computer forensics. nothing actually happened "out there".

[@Romanticoutlaw]

@Anonymous-wx8gf but someone who put that material out there is keeping a tally of that click, among others. The more people's eyeballs on it, the more likely that person is to obtain and, potentially, create more of that material. People who click that link are more likely to find or produce that material themselves to share it with other consumers. Consumption is action.

[@meilinrivera1]

​@Romanticoutlaw Makes sense, it's supply and demand. Basically by criminalizing just looking at it is deincentivizing future CSAM makers. Although they could probably just do it for their own sick kicks too 🙄

[@jasperjazzie]

they act as if cp just exists in a vacuum, as if it just pops into existence and no kids are hurt by them viewing it. sure, you yourself might not be hurting anybody but the person who films that stuff is, and you're creating a demand for them to make more of it.

[@pennyforyourthots]

​@@jasperjazzie honestly, they probably think that because that's basically their experience with it. From their perspective they basically just click on a link and picture show up. I think it necessarily requires a very narrow and selfish viewpoint that they don't even consider how that content gets made.

[@Iuxinterior]

trying to conflate queer people with offenders is so insanely homophobic it’s mindblowing

[@TND12]

nah

[@jessbrown2943]

I’ve been SAed 3 times through my life and the trauma I’ve carried with me because of that is immeasurable, not to mention my dad openly carried the opinion that if a woman was SAed it was her fault so I never disclosed the first 2 times which happened in my teenage years. The added mental fuckery of my own father holding that opinion really did a number on me in my early 20’s it’s taken lots of counseling and work on myself to come to terms with what I want through and still deal with many trauma responses bc of this. It’s a life long thing, I can never forgot or get over what happened to me, I will live with it forever. I have no sympathy for any offenders of these types of crimes it is always a choice.

[@SacrificialAnonymous]

I was never really SAd but I nearly got SAd once. It completely messed me up. I was 13 and the guy who nealy SAd me was 16/17. I told my parents and his father, yet nothing really happened. He apologised but that was it. I did not forgive him and told him so. Nearly three years later, and I still suffer the trauma from it. it's not as bad as before but I cannot shower when there is someone I'm not accustomed to in my parents' house. I need to lock the door or else I'll simply break down. The guy who almost laid his hands on me never got any consequence from his actions other than a small scolding from his dad. It feels super invalidating to me. Why do I have to live with the trauma of what happened while he gets to live his life and not be shamed for what he did? Worst part is, nobody takes me seriously. Not even my parents do anymore. They think it's "been three years" and I shouldn't be "so dramatic".

[@amosyeegape]

tf this got to do with anything 😂😂😂

[@TND12]

@@amosyeegape i can see why u replied to SAd ppl

[@lurji]

@@amosyeegapeholy shit its the cp defender guy

[@MFiction60]

You are not being dramatic. You have every right to still be angry. It may affect you forever. I hope therapy can help. I'm so sorry this happened and for how it was dealt with.

[@Alchera201]

One time someone I followed on Tumblr made a post asking for help in mass reporting an account they claimed posted CP content. I was skeptical about just blindly reporting a random blog, for all I knew they could've been just someone the original poster wanted to bully off of the site. So I went to that account to check. To this day I really wish I hadn't. What little I saw in those two seconds it took me to click off was absolutely vile. Needless to say, I reported the account immediately. About 20 minutes later the OP posted an update thanking everyone for the mass report. The account was taken down but I can never unsee what I saw there. Thinking about how this kind of content is being mass produced for an abundance of twisted deviants to enjoy makes me sick to my stomach.

[@julialena3150]

I genuinely hope you are doing well and talking care of your mental health. You are deep diving and covering heavy topics non stop. I always love and enjoy your content. Your uploads have been so consistent recently, which I love, but it makes me worry about you as a person. I hope you take enough breaks from the dark stuff and do enough lighthearted things to keep the balance

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Thank you so much, I appreciate your concern! 🥰 I'll be taking a week or two out next month, planning to get videos for then finished in advance though so you won't realise I'm gone 😄🖤

[@MaliciousChickenAgenda]

@@TheInternetInvestigator Sometimes I go and watch daft clips of American Dad and Family Guy after stuff like this or videos of guinea pigs munching food 😊 generally anything random and funny or stuff I find interesting such as science topics help balance things out. Darker subject matter and horrible stories are interesting but I think we all need a break from it

[@dannyg.4421]

​@@TheInternetInvestigatorI hope you are enjoying your break

[@jayofthedeadd]

As a survivor of both CSA and SA as an adult, I have no empathy for these people. I also fully believe you cannot be rehabilitated for sex crimes, especially against children. That shouldn’t be controversial. At the end of the day, these people have impacted the victim’s lives in ways that are unimaginable, whether they did it once or multiple times. I will never forget what was done to me for the rest of my life.

[@user-yz4jg7xl7u]

Yep

[@darksidedebbie]

Agree, it affects you for life!

[@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307]

Why do I suddenly feel a ton of anger when I hear someone say this?

[@Dextreads]

@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 all ur comments on this vids me think 2 things of you 1) you have no empathy for SA victims + don't care abt how debilitating the trauma can be and 2) you feel personally attacked by these people saying that assaulters shouldn't be forgiven

[@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307]

@@Dextreads no. It's more of I don't see why the trauma is so dramatic when personally, it doesn't sound all That bad to me!

[@Orteal]

I have once found cp by accident and what did I do? I reported it to police and left the site immediately, i didn’t continue to look at it?!! Like what the hell is wrong with them

[@tired9351]

absolutely love your content. as a victim of csa and cp im so so appreciate how respectful you were as well as your insight about whether rehabilitation is really possible. all of these people absolutely deserve all the consequences they get and it makes me so angry that so many of them really think theyve done nothing wrong. thank you again im excited for your next video

[@Ana-jv7zl]

I remember a bunch of 4chan trolls were posting CP on instagram and tagging them underneath popular tags. I remember searching up the one direction tag (was a teen girl then) and they flooded the hashtag with CP. I legit threw up and couldn’t eat for 2 days after what I seen. Just thinking about it now makes me want to cry

[@rigormortis56]

that’s so awful omg??? it’s not your fault at all that’s so fucking sickening i hope ur doing better :(

[@TheGamingG810]

Tbh I get that people might feel severe reactions bc of this topic but why

[@moonie406]

​@@TheGamingG810dude what

[@moonie406]

​@@TheGamingG810dude what

[@TheGamingG810]

@@moonie406 what I mean is how is it possible for someone to throw up and not eat for 2 days just bc of this (this comment is not supposed to offend anyone)

[@HobieInTheBox]

Despite what that OP said, they sounds traumatised as hell and is now dating another SO bc they're so used to the abuse.

[@sarahchillomg2946]

Idk how you would EVER accidentally see CP these days, because I can't even search for Lolita fashion on some websites without a popup that says something about how inappropriate searches have been connected to the terms I used so I'll have to change my phrasing.

[@trancandy1]

i've experienced this kind of thing exactly when trying to search for clothes and it kinda pisses me off and makes me feel dirty because of the stigma placed on lolita fashion by ignorant people. what's strange is that nobody actually uses the word "lolita" except to refer to the book or the fashion style. and i don't imagine they're trying to prevent people from searching for either of those since audiobooks exist online without being taken down, and the book doesn't seem to be promoting csa to me. the only way you could accidentally see it is if you're using a tor browser for other purposes that you can't do on surface web like buying drugs, and you somehow find cp images mixed in, this is really unlikely though since you kind of have to go out of your way to find things on the deep web because everything is hidden in onion links, unless someone just decides to post things like that on the surface web for some reason where they'll be easily caught.

[@dumptruck_babs]

Last year there was apparently a CP video on the front page of a popular porn website. I did not personally see it, but someone posted to Reddit about it to try and get a bunch of people to report it. The comments confirmed that what they saw when they opened the website was definitely CP. It was up for at least an hour before the OP made an update saying it was taken down. It still haunts me and I didn't even see it, but just knowing so many people DID see it terrifies me.

[@TND12]

@@trancandy1 i dont think u understand what that person did STOP DEFEND THESE PPL

[@trancandy1]

@@TND12 brother i am talking about people condemning an entire fashion subculture that i engage in, can you point to me where i defended this person

[@trancandy1]

@@TND12 i just reread my comment again, and good lord i don't think you read it at all. like *at all*. the entirety of my comment was about people falsely associating clothes with child abuse because of the book. i need you to tell me specifically where i "DEFEND THESE PPL"

[@kylieaudrey6791]

The last dude took one course on queer theory and thinks they’re a sociologist

[@shockwavecg]

That's everyone that takes a class like that.

[@lee_1292]

@@shockwavecgproudly being anti intellectual to own the libs

[@h.r613]

@@shockwavecgnot really…

[@cosmosadorabilis7677]

​@@h.r613yes really. Queer theory is bs.

[@shockwavecg]

@@h.r613 Yes, really.

[@randiphoenix1326]

This is hot take but I would never buy any sex offender saying that they have remorse. There is always a hint of manipulation and narcissism behind it. Honeslty they just aren't capable of rehabilitation anyway.

[@hotaruishere2133]

I honestly don't see that as a hot take, I completely agree with you.

[@gothbtl4261]

My question is always "are you sorry for what you did, or are you sorry you got caught?"

[@ratdog6317]

same, I know people like to get all offended by this by I truly believe that they are fully incapable of rehabilitation regardless. I don't care how that might make anyone feel because it's been shown to be true time and time again

[@MegaVega2007]

i was a kid who was groomed online by adults online and exposed to horrible p0rn at the ages of 9-14, the people who groomed me manipulated me to take a picture of my little half sister as she was sleeping (she was wearing clothes) then i got off to it. that happened once. after that i blocked all contact with the predators, this was a few years ago. the guilt has been intense and i self harm. even though it happened when i was a kid am i just as bad as these people (irredeemable, not capable of rehabilitation) please tell me im not

[@ratdog6317]

@@MegaVega2007 how old was your half sister and how old were you?

[@AlienZizi]

15:18 i disagree. they already knew the consequences before offending, they just thought/hoped they wouldnt get caught. and they would count on that again. the registry is for OTHER peoples safety, not a punishment for the offender to "think about what theyve done".

[@vph7]

Everyone saying it’s impossible to rehabilitate these people… what is the alternative if they’re already out of prison?

[@SergenteHartman2356]

Lead

[@SirSblop]

Rope

[@JohnSmith-zw8vp]

I don't know if it'd hold up constitutionally but how about some sort of mandatory separate communities for them? I mean the general public (for obvious reasons) don't want them but provided they did serve their sentence and/or are compliant with parole/probation/SOR they do need SOME place to live and support themselves

[@неамериканец-н1в]

We focus so much on rehabilitation and punishment, but never the prevention of these people coming into existence in the first place

[@CrashGordon94]

@@неамериканец-н1в How do you go about doing that?

[@Bananfron]

Half of the spouse/family posts can be summerized like this; ”yeah ik he had pictures on his laptop but hes really sorry1!1!1!”

[@TheGamingG810]

He is really sorry. What's wrong? He took accountability for his actions

[@nappasghost4490]

@@TheGamingG810 I would never trust any of these sorry individuals. They are sorry because they have been caught not because they feel like their actions are disgusting

[@wanderingbelle7]

Calling any SO a good person who did a bad thing is bizarre to me. Sexually assaulting/abusing someone makes you a bad person, full stop. However, I have a lot of empathy for the people who defend their SO partners even though I don’t think it’s rational. I once told my uncle, who SA’d me repeatedly as a very young child, that he wasn’t a horrible person for what he’d done because I felt bad for him. It’s a sort of protective mechanism for victims to minimize the actions of offenders sometimes, because it makes you feel like it wasn’t so bad after all. Very strange but just how it is sometimes. That said, sexual abusers are bad people, end of story. Not one good person on this planet has sexually assaulted someone. The qualities of goodness and depravity cannot coexist.

[@JohnSmith-zw8vp]

Of course CP is not a "victimless crime"...I mean where do you think CP comes from?

[@TheGamingG810]

Meanwhile the drawn images:

[@TroubledOnePaydirt]

Listening to these “spouses” downplay what their partner did, what that chicks brother did, is just infuriating. I was today years old when I found out these type of people exist. The willingness to risk their children’s safety should be enough to have those children Removed from such an incapable parent. Makes me sick.

[@AnonTheAnon]

hello. I am that person, and if you sort by newest comments, you can read my clarification.

[@anonuser1279]

Reminds me of when Tumblr had a massive illegal porn problem. I was so frustrated every time I reported a post and nothing would happen. From beastiality to cp, the amount of porn that would show up in your dms to your dash was disgusting, I logged off and didn't get back on until after the sexual content ban. After the ban I stopped getting messages of porn and from pedophiles.

[@lynnkayee1015]

Saying viewing CP is a victimless crime is common and infuriating. Even if it weren't for the fact that is causes demand, it is traumatizing knowing that your suffering is out there for someone to see and enjoy. You wonder if people around you have seen it. Will someone recognize me? Is someone getting off to my pain right this second? Are they sharing it? Making comments about me? It is endless and pops up at the worst times. At a crowded store you wonder if there is a sicko who saw you. It can be triggered by getting looked at weird. Is it them? Do they know? Even though you know it is unlikely. Or maybe you're about to have sex, everything is fine and then you get the thought someone else could be being sexual while looking at the photo/video at the same time and now you feel disgusted. Your partner wonders why you can't look at them, why suddenly you tense at their touch...and if you've been open, a look of realization hits and they feel guilty and disgusted. And this is years, even decades later. It is ANYTHING but victimless.

[@UncleSamsoniteLover69]

I have 0 clue how anyone could even think that. About think about legal pornography; a lot of paperwork needs to be signed for that sh!t to get posted (unless it’s homemade or amateur) because of the risks. Think about how even in those cases, it’s not unusual for porn actors regretting their decision to consenting to such things after the fact. Half the time, not even full grown adults can fully grasp the consequences posting online smut can have, nevermind a child who had no say in what was even posted. The internet is forever.

[@cinnamonlana]

I HATE when men only start to sympathize with women once they have daughters. They only see us as people when they have girls who they care about in their lives.

[@positivedisintegration]

Whew, that last one... What a colossally bad take. Super yikes. You'd think that OP would've learned about the importance of consent in one of the many gender/sexuality/queer theory courses they claim to have taken. Offenders are "marginalized" because their decisions and actions have caused harm to people. LGBT+ individuals are marginalized because of other people's bigotry.

[@rdred8693]

Queer Theory promotes "intergenerational relationships" . Maybe some people are marginalized b/c they deserve it.

[@thegirlverucasaltwarneduabout]

my life is practically over because of what sex trading did to me as a 10 year old and the offenders have the audacity to beg and argue for sympathy? gtfo

[@MTOP67]

I'm very sorry that happened to you, I hope you're getting some help, it is sad to see people attempt to justify their actions especially when it's crimes like this

[@isthisfake.]

most pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated because they do not think theyre doing anything wrong. in order to be rehabilitated, you have to have a certain level of understanding of why it's wrong. most pedophiles believe that their actions aren't wrong, because they cannot control their attraction to children. so theres no real way for them to actually feel bad about it.

[@modernprometheus99]

It's also worth noting that most child molesters aren't even actually pedophiles. They're opportunistic predators that go after kids because they're vulnerable. It's less about actual lust or attraction to a child specifically and more about the aspect of having power over another person who cannot or would not fight back.

[@JohnSmith-zw8vp]

16:30 -- Can you imagine how it'll be for that daughter when she inevitably at some point (if she hadn't already) found out what her dad did? There is NO way she could ever look at and feel the same way about him again.

[@samicrab]

my mother works at a correctional facility, which up until a few years ago, was exclusively for juvenile offenders. Most of these kids were abused themselves. some of them were genuine p-philes, and some of them offended because of circumstance. For 25+ years shes helped troubled boys pick up the pieces of their life so they have a decent chance of making it. Yes, some of these kids do go on to reoffend. Most of them have benefited from the program.

[@missybuchanan9631]

I don’t know if I’m influenced by the fact that I have OCD and if that makes me different, but I’m often consumed by how different my life would be if I was never assaulted as a child. Like I was on a path and someone shoved me so far from it I could never find my way back and now I’m just floating aimless in the nothing.

[@feraldeercolony]

I know it's easy to feel like there's no way to get better, move past it, live outside of that trauma, etc. but I promise that it won't always be this way. It took me a really long time to find the right therapist, the right meds, and the presence of mind to confront trauma in a healthy way, but I'm nearing the end of that journey. When you find the thing that truly works for you, you'll see! Things will get better. You're a person who survived and has continued to survive. Your pain and trauma are legitimate and real and I understand how difficult it is to carry those burdens, but I promise those are not a core part of you that will weigh you down forever. Underneath it all, you're still you! I promise you're still you underneath it all. I'm really sorry that you had such a horrible thing happen to you. I really hope someday you find whatever you need in order to heal. You deserve to live a happy life!

[@chandlerburse]

@@missybuchanan9631 i am consumed by how different my life would be if i never engaged in chatrooms or had a p**n addiction in the first place due to OCD i have now. Not the same and maybe more concerning but its getting worse and worse and sometimes i can’t tell whats in my head and whats actions i actually took

[@daisiesforghosts]

As a r victim, I’m happy for the ones truly trying to rehabilitate themselves, however I will never forgive them. My trauma is forever. And their sentences should be longer in prison. Hearing “my sentence is too long” just boils my blood. They barely get any time

[@jackalope_butchery]

For seven years, I was in a relationship with a P*do. He was incredibly manipulative and withheld details/information, minimized, and practically took over my whole life. I didn't tell a soul for 6 years. The shame and fear of being held mentally and emotionally hostage by someone like that is sickening. He claimed he was 'better', but I knew in the back of my mind that it wasn't true. He SA'd his little brother when he was a teenager, and his brother was in the single digits. The worst part? His family knew. And then when I finally broke down and spoke the truth to people in our lives, I was met with incredulity and skepticism. I lost many friends, and he's probably still out there, spinning the narrative and hiding his tendencies.

[@feliciaswift5717]

I have no sympathy for ANYONE who hurts a child PERIOD! You lose me all together when I hear about kids! I went through that and I have a young daughter so I truly just see red and could never be understanding or empathetic towards someone who has the capability to hurt anything that is innocent! Animals/children/elderly people.. physically they’re defenseless. Getting off on hurting something defenseless is a dangerous trait in a human.

[@lj2659]

That lady talking about her husband makes me sick, she knows firsthand how horrible it is to have that done to you yet still acts like her husband is a perfect Angel. Sick.

[@treatbag]

I just watched a video a little while ago about this subreddit and I had no idea how it was still up with little traction to it. Thank you for making a video about this cesspool of filth 😭

[@makolikeamfshark]

im a survivor myself and I never got over it. I was CSA'd three times and once as an adult and I am now extremely uncomfortable and shy towards ppl even hugging me

[@zamiadams4343]

Sex offenders have no place in our society, they'll never be forgiven or given a second chance.

[@huntforbigfloptober1333]

As someone who has been abused as a child, I have mixed feelings. My gut reaction is to hope offenders burn but on the other hand, why couldn’t we try to rehabilitate, if it’s possible? Obviously the crimes they committed can’t be erased but if this offender has truly done whatever they can to better themselves, why can’t that be acceptable? I’ve gotten flack for saying pedos should get help to never offend (one group specializing is called Virtuous Perverts which sound’s unfortunate but I respect the attempts) still if one wants to avoid doing what they know is wrong, why shouldn’t we allow it? I wouldn’t allow an rso with a child nor would I be comfortable being alone with one. Still if we could rehabilitate, perhaps it would break the cycle of destruction continuing

[@sexygirlmax2019]

Im a CSA survivor too. The problem comes from criminalizing these people before they have offended. Especially if that person has a child. Meaning they wont get help until after theyve offended. This includes children who have been abused and develope p-OCD.They have these constant intrusive thoughts even though they would never actually hurt someone. And these people are locked up too as theyre seen as being a danger to others. Its sick. Theres no win. I am convinced I have p-OCD or just some kind of OCD but my therapist waved it off as anxiety because i was a couple points under the threshold for being diagnozed with it. Even though I have physical and mental responses to things "not being done right" like having to move things around multiple times because it feels like a physical pull and pain if i dont reorganize it. Same with handwashing and smelling my hands after, i have to wash like 4 times to get clean. I dont think anyone who has sexually assaulted or abused someone should be rehabilitated. However, being an RSO doesnt mean you have sexually hurt someone. Minors get charged with being an SO for sexting other minors, for peeing in a bush, homeless people get slapped with it too for peeing in an alleyway because they cant pay to use a bathroom in a cafe or convenience store. Its super fucked up.

[@femmecomm]

Preventative treatment needs to be accessible. Anyone with a shred of human decency agrees that harming a child is probably the worst act there is, so we should be doing whatever we can to prevent it before it happens. The doc ""Pedo Park" gets into the hurdles of preventative treatment but I can't say I necessarily recommend you watch it. It's a very, very painful watch.

[@dazeslays]

i agree, pedophiles who want to avoid hurting children should be able to access counseling and rehabilitation support. like a previous commenter, i deal with pOCD which is a type of OCD with themes of pedophilia. no attraction to children, but compulsions to "check" whether or not i feel attracted to children when i see them. before i knew it was OCD i was very scared i was somehow turning into a pedophile. so while pOCD is fundamentally different from actual pedophilia (because pOCD doesn't involve attraction), i can sympathize with pedophiles who are haunted by their thoughts and are scared of acting on them. anyone can choose to sexually abuse a child, whether or not they are actually attracted to children. but according to research it seems like actual pedophilic attraction is mostly involuntary. it just doesn't seem fair to condemn someone as evil for having thoughts they don't want. that line of thinking hurts people with OCD and schizophrenia as well. that being said i think pedophiles who don't care that they're ruining children's lives should be treated with no sympathy at all.

[@y2ksurvivor]

There are no such thing as virtuous child abusers. That's just another attempt at disarming people. Pretty sure more than one of those self proclaimed virtuous P's have been found to be not so virtuous after all.

[@babaroga1192]

We’ve tried to rehabilitate pedos and r*pists many times it never works

[@caleabbott3311]

3:32 they can better society by removing themselves from it

[@TroubledOnePaydirt]

Aaannndddd she’s reading stuff not shown on screen again. This drives me nuts. If I can’t read along I can’t focus.

[@sninckashley9514]

The use of "devience" to try and graft SOs onto the queer community fills me with a violent rage. SOs are disproportionately people who use the *exact* social hierarchies that "deviance" as a concept upholds to obtain gratification. S*x crimes are about overpowering someone and violating their consent, which is what patriarchy and heteronormativity are built on. Queer people are disporportionately victims of these kinds of crimes because of how intrinsically tied to the hierarchies that oppress us they are. SOs are not part of the queer community. They're intrinsically opposed to us.

[@risebellthesummoner]

LOL are you really trying to attach straightness to r@pe? cope harder, gays disproportionately commit more sex-related crimes

[@deanpope2055]

This gives me the creeps, I was sa’d as a kid by an 18 year old and if I heard him talking about it in any capacity, trying to get sympathy or otherwise, I’d be absolutely sickened. It was MY trauma, not his, and I don’t think he should have anything to say but “I’m a creep, keep me away from your kids”

[@darkstarr984]

These people do remind me of what a nurse aide said when I was in a psychiatric hospital earlier this year: “a lot of you are lacking accountability, blaming everything on your circumstances instead of trying to find what you can do despite those circumstances.”

[@jamberri7528]

what a lovely notification to open my phone up to lol

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Hahaha lovely is the last word you can use to describe any of my content 😅🖤

[@AdamsWorlds]

Apparently you used to be able to get put on the register for peeing near a park/school while drunk during the night in the UK. Now yes you should not be peeing in the street or in a park / near a school, but at night with nobody around is that really worth of being put on a register.

[@firstcanonkill1767]

I know at least some *can* get better. Because mine did. And she got on her knees about 4 years after it happened and almost put her head on my feet and just kept apologising. She was shaking, and genuinely sorry. She’d been to therapy since it happened. And it had helped. I’m autistic, so when it happened (I was… 12?) I barely spoke a word above a whisper and only to people I knew, so I never actually told anyone until one of my teachers noticed I was really, *really* out of it. He helped me understand it was wrong. I want to clarify that the girl that hurt me did not get named, I never exposed her to the people helping me. She got therapy on her own, and came to apologise on her own. We text sometimes now, we aren’t close or anything, but we send happy-birthdays and congratulations, you know. She got engaged recently. I’m confident that her partner is in safe, kind hands. She has changed.

[@Poorsha88]

There is something so genuine about you and your channel! Thank you for the awesome content, You're doing an amazing job ❤

[@vissersixty-nine6246]

it is, unfortunately, possible to stumble across CP by accident. I don't use Pirate Bay anymore b/c, when I was ~12 trying to find a video game, I stumbled across an ad for a porn site that involved a very young child taking her shirt off.... fucking disgusting that they would EVER host an ad like that

[@SpecialBlanket]

it happened to someone i know as well.

[@SpecialBlanket]

actually i completely forgot about this until now but when i was like 13 or 14 i saw this weird picture of two little boys kissing that in retrospect was certainly cp.

[@Moonless87]

Sorry for any possible Spelling errors, English isn't my mother language. TW. My mother was SA'd by her own brother in law when she was 11 years old. It still affects her (she's now 57 years old) she said she tried to tell people about it but nobody believed her. Then in 2018 she told her mother and her other sister and they both acted like "oh, you must be mistaken" or "you were having a dream" or that it was some other guy 🙄 she never got to tell her dad because he died about 2 months before I was born in 1987. she later told that he would have probably been the only one to believe her including us, her kids, her husband/our dad. Her older sister, the one with the child r@p1ng husband always was abnormally jelaous of her and after she found out that her husband was "interested" in mom as she was a kid, she blamed HER, acting like it was her fault. Because of that she cut contact with her and tried to make my grandparents to do the same. When they didn't, she cut contact with them also. The first time I saw her was in my grandmother's funeral in 2019. She had the nerve to bring the p€d0 with her. He looked absolutely pathetic. My father had planned on beating him up after the funeral with my younger brother but told later "he looked like a walking corpse, like he was going to die any minute, what's fun about beating up a miserable guy like that?" My brother also told later that the guy looked almost exactly like Albert Fish, which I agreed.

[@pigster4808]

8:38 as a 22 year old man who only thinks about getting laid but doesn’t really have any girls to talk to, this part right here makes me feel a lot better about just working on myself, there’s no rush to finding my soulmate and I know she’ll appreciate the fact that I didn’t just give my body to whoever was available

[@themosaicshow]

great news dude. keep it up.

[@thegrimlooper]

When I was 13, I was SA’d and it nearly destroyed my life. 10 years later, I am now starting to feel better. But the void it created in my chest will ache forever. You let someone close, and then they rip the whole rug out from under you.

[@mikesanders8621]

I mean, I get that sex offenders are people too.. But they're people j don't want congregating.

[@mikesanders8621]

@icqgo3348 trust me, I hate them as much as anyone. I'm a CSA survivor. But once you start dehumanising people, innocent people always get hurt too.

[@lee_1292]

@icqgo3348they are unfortunately people, part of our human race. humanity can spawn hell on earth

[@AccidentallyOnPurpose]

I will absolutely never support anybody who offends, in fact I believe that they deserve to be in jail. But, I do have sympathy for people experiencing pedophilic thoughts who will never offend and actively seek treatment, and genuinely just want to stop having the thoughts/feelings. Sad thing is a good chunk of them were SAd as kids themselves. Those who offend though are a whole different level.

[@ActuallyAShrimp]

Agreed. I wish the man who hurt me had gotten help. I was easy prey, he was my grandfather so he had plenty of time alone with me. He brainwashed me, I wish he would've at least been forced to get help. He never did

[@ladyreverie7027]

Agreed, also people with pedophilic intrusive thoughts due to OCD. Once you offend I have no sympathy. But people who haven't hurt anyone who have these thoughts and feelings and who don't want to harm anyone, they do deserve support.

[@foreskinmcfat-nutsjr]

I remember that Reddit post from a female teacher who had a crush on her student. She was terrified and disgusted by it. She went to therapy and she said she is doing much better. As uncomfortable as it is I’m proud of op.

[@MisseryMoth]

@@ladyreverie7027 yeaa as someone with ocd, that's the worst. Because someone with POCD isn't even attracted to children, they are just so terrified that they might be and just dont know it that they end up torturing themselves over it and grouping themselves with actual predators who are sexually interested in children. It's like gaslighting yourself lol!.. i was diagnosed with ocd at 7 years old and nobody tells you how it really is! the violent disturbing thoughts!! my doctor never sat me down and talked with me and neither did my parents! none of them knew a clue.. the disturbing thoughts i had as a child. i thought i was evil. ..thats another topic tho. because people with OCD aren't even predators, abusers, etc, they are just plagued by a disease that repeats scenarios so terrifying that there isn't even any escape from it. The stigma that pedophilia brings, i dont think helps. since people with a genuine medical condition being labeled a pedophile falsely.. this article described it greatly Pedophilia OCD It is driven by a concern to keep children protected rather than a desire to hurt them.

[@Sagowie]

That can be caused by OCD???@@ladyreverie7027

[@cosmicsatan2046]

11:25 So there was a guy who did download some CP that was in a huge image/video dump, he was arrested amd charged. The charges were later dropped after computer forensics proved the image/video files containing the CP were never opened. So I find the "I didn't know I had cp' defense especially hard to believe if they were actually convicted. Could it happen? I guess, as much as anything is possible, but I'd have a hard time believing it.

[@sasak369]

The last poster is rly unironically like "curious how stigmatized it is to want to have sexual desires that actively harm others. How come those who have been historically slandered as harmful when in fact they only seek consensual relations between adults aren't their greatest allies?"

[@cw2010]

The last one has got to be a psyop, I refuse to believe someone can be that insane

[@lee_1292]

one can only hope

[@sceneshootergirl88]

I really do hope.

[@maryleethefox8642]

My abuser was on the autism spectrum as well as had bpd, he would use that as an excuse for everything. I hate when people try to make excuses, I don't care what they have they still did what they did. He tried to sa me, he almost killed me, he threatened me, he made me fear for my life. I don't care what his issues are, I'm still scared every single freaking day. There is no excuse for doing those things. I don't care who they are to you, if you try to make excuses for their action you are an awful human being and I want you to stay far away from me.