R2R FAQ #6: Triton Method with a turf scrubber, GFO with Triton, Triton Method costs?

Last week we gave you an update of the BRS160 reef tank after it has been on the Triton Method for nearly 10 weeks and this week, we're answering some of your questions from the Reef2Reef.com thread! Today Ryan not only answers those questions but also shares some updates to the BRS160 lighting and flow options!
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BRS160 APEX Tables for Alternating Gyres:
Left Gyre-
Fallback ON
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tdata 00:45:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
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tdata 03:00:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
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tdata 06:00:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
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tdata 10:30:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
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tdata 14:15:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 15:00:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 15:45:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 16:30:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 17:15:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 18:00:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 18:45:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 19:30:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 20:15:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 21:00:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 21:45:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
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tdata 23:15:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 23:59:58,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Right Gyre:
Fallback ON
tdata 00:00:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 00:45:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
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tdata 02:15:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 03:00:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 03:45:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 04:30:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
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tdata 06:00:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 06:45:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
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tdata 11:15:00,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
tdata 12:00:00,0,0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
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[@webmannycom]

Awesome video. Don't mind the extra time at all. You guys explain things very well. We appreciate all your hard work.

[@chrisgroves5381]

Love this channel, great advice and tips! The hobby here in Liverpool UK is not as big as in the US, therefore I rely on your help! Thanks

[@jakemccaig6454]

You guys rock! Thanks so much for the info. It was your early videos that finally got me and my son to start reefing this year.

[@TimHarris-photog]

BRS... This was terrific! Thanks for the update and the details will be a great help as we're setting up our system (similar to the Triton Method)

[@CincinnatiReefer]

I love how you couldn't keep a straight face when you read the "Ten bucks and hour" part. Best part of the video!

[@myreeflife7072]

Awesome video. The 160 is looking sensational! 🤓 and love those gyre pumps!

[@marquiiswells]

Proud of this tank. Great information!

[@Danzo285]

You guys are the best !

[@pjfreak99]

10:52 - so many bubbles!

[@juanduran4652]

Good stuff!!!

[@951000jerome]

I'm glad these videos have become much more calming than before. I actually enjoy watching them on study breaks. They used to be full of high pitched shouting, which is a pity since they were full of useful information, but after a busy day I found them unwatchable. Keep this up BRS I love your videos.

[@ReeferGil]

Great info

[@miamireefer4050]

Awesome!

[@Reject06]

Great video!a

[@ghiapower3908]

great video as always, the kessil 380 do you recommend bloom or grow settings?

[@nguyenhoangvu9609]

Another way to run your Gyres under Apex control is to slowly ramp them up and down in opposition - while one ramps up, the other ramps down, then the ramps switch. To do this, you use a virtual outlet to control the switching between a ramp up profile and a ramp down profile. First, the profiles: [ Gyre_Up ] Type: Ramp Ramp time: 3 Start Intensity: 25 End Intensity: 100 [ Gyre_Down ] Type: Ramp Ramp time: 3 Start Intensity: 100 End Intensity: 25 The virtual outlet: [ Gyre-OSC ] OSC 0:00/3:00/3:00 Then ON The Gyre variable speed outlets: [ Gyre_Left ] Set Gyre_Up If Outlet Gyre_OSC = ON Then Gyre_Down [ Gyre_Right ] Set Gyre_Down If Outlet Gyre_OSC = ON Then Gyre_Up I used a 3 minute ramp duration in this example; to use other times, modify the profiles and the OSC in the VO - they all must be the same. I get this from apex forum thread, may be useful for short duration.

[@anthony5786]

Regarding sand cleaning, a great way to do it is to start a siphon, and instead of removing the water, just lead the hose to a filter sock within the sump. This way, you keep the water, and you get to clean the sand. I️ myself am looking into triton or a similar method

[@matthewgordon904]

954 Reef This method works great I call it the phantom water change method aquamaxx sells a 10micron sock on marine depot(yes I said marine depot) that is basically perfect for this. The obvious draw is you just cut your sock holders out lol but you can just make or buy a holder just for this purpose. Also i think it is smart to share this workload with a combination of nasarious snails, sand sifters, the phantom water change method, and stirring manually with whatever (scraper, acrylic rod, plastic rake, hand) doesn’t really matter... in my opinion stirring manually also just gunks up your sump because again you just cut out the socks!!! If you can’t tell I will never be 100% triton method because I will never take mechanical filtration out of my sump. I just value not allowing anything to pass into my sump that could potentially clog pumps and reactors and I use mechanical filtration as a prefilter for my hard earned equipment and not one drop of water is allowed to bypass this stage in my setups and no amount of “but it feeds your chaeto and corals” talk will talk me into it... I also refuse to give up my calcium reactor. Don’t worry the brs 160 will be on my method someday😅.

[@Helveteshit]

@Matthew Gordon, just buy a cup holder for a Car. Some of those cup holders can be used to snap onto the refugium walls that are thinner. Should serve the purpose of holding the micro sock temporarily.

[@insectkiller2005]

I have been using triton core7 base with an ats seeded with ulva for 2 months now and my tank has never looked better

[@theStrongHearts]

On my new office build I've had running since July, I started with the Trition method (other methods). Because the tank is a Nuvo 40, I don't have room for a traditional sump, so the 10% minimum wasn't possible for me. Instead, I made a DIY algae reactor and it has worked very well. This may be the sweet spot of still being able to use dissolved CO2 and getting all the benefits of the full Triton method. I can't comment on that entirely since I"m using the Core 7 "other" methods (because of not having a traditional 10% fuge space), but it has been effective at reducing nutrients. NO3 for me stays below 0.25 (but still barely above 0, assuming the incredibly light pink hue is accurate on my Red Sea kit). Combined with a small amount of GFO in a filter sock mixed with 2/3 carbon, my PO4 stays betweeen 0.00 and 0.01. I have to say, it has been effective, and maybe too effective, but the small amount of coral I have in this young tank are quite happy and healthy.

[@nano488036]

Hey man! I have the same tank as you and I'm trying to start transitioning! Would you mind helping me out with what you chose to do?

[@chadengemann8237]

with the new lights that you just released how you would set the lighting schedual for a full day. all lights off at night? What would the best way to ramp up and down all of the lights.

[@markjohnson9557]

Would you be able to replicate a somewhat similar wave pattern (ramping up/down) with the Tunze Nanostream 6095s and the VDM module? Thanks! Great video.

[@paulbragin5034]

You mentioned leaving the cheato alone, can you explain that more. I had the understanding that we should harvest the cheato when getting over grown in the space it’s in and to rotate it frequently.

[@DeeFromBrooklyn]

I can see a definite change in growth from a few months ago but have there been any coral that have not done well under this change in chemistry?

[@brianculater6444]

Kinda figured the scrubber was over rated and a fuge was the smart way to go without upsetting the nutrients Thanks.

[@matthewgordon904]

Does anyone else feel like the kid with the clumpy sand is at home blowing his sand around his tank with a power head? Lol

[@RobRhodes]

I am having some difficulty with your Gyre code. It produces error conditions on my icecap modules. Coralvue says that if you run the pump below 20% you will produce an error, however I've never seen anything from you guys on this. Thanks, Rob

[@boostedbadboyzx12r31]

Is it possible to do a dry sump fuge hybrid? Its a 4 tray system onto a bio wheel... It is a large dry sump with a big area of open water where my pump and protein skimmer sets. I can put some screen around the inlets could I do vegetation down there?

[@beastyfurkan]

Can you achieve good results with triton method with 3 times turnover and having a power head in the reugium and 2 gyres in the display for good flow?

[@LazyAssReefer]

Wait... No filter sock with the Triton method?

[@CBeal715]

How often, if ever, are you supposed to remove the algae from the refugium?

[@rogerbrooks]

Is there a way to duplicate Ryan's Gyre flow if we don't have an Apex system? Can this be programmed into the Gyre directly? If so, any instructions?

[@jordanleytem5581]

How can this method be used in a Fowlr or fish only system. Would this be effiecnt to still keep down water changes? Would you still need to dose as much for benefits to fish?

[@carlospina6751]

Don't own an Apex now so all this sounds like Chinese to me, but thanks for sharing I'm sure it'll come in handy sooner or later.

[@The1NdNly]

Have you guys had any experience with the miracle / mangrove mud that i have seen? i hear mixed reviews and opinions (as per usual ^^) and would love to see a solid test. In the slow process of setting up my first 900L sw tank after years of fw, going down this route for sure! Thanks for all your great content, you certainly have been my go-to source for information and have made this whole process much easier! been wanting to do this for years and probably wouldn't have if i didn't have you guy to guide me through! BRS 160 FTW! Many thanks and kind regards!

[@The1NdNly]

P.s do you know if you can internationally ship the testing back to the US? (UK)

[@The1NdNly]

Hey, sorry i missed your reply. Yeah i guess if your looking for the "low maintenance" option why add something that requires extra work with no proven benefit as of yet. Thanks for the reply!! :)

[@SamSam563]

whats the point of using the gyro flow

[@blasians3370]

Thanks for the info you guys provide. Regarding the comments towards the end about flow, my Jebao pump is set to short pulses so my euphyllia "wiggle" but should my flow cause them to kinda just flail around wildly? With this pump it's kind either or.

[@anthony5786]

Jonathan Wilson I’m my experience, the polyp extension isn’t as good with higher flow. I️ have all my euphilia in lower to mid flow sections of my tank and I’ve had great results. Variability in flow is also very beneficial to coral.

[@blasians3370]

I've noticed with more turbulent flow they recede, but I haven't been brave enough to put them through that for an extended time despite knowing that corals can adapt. Polyp extension is fine I think. Corals are growing, but I'm always looking to somehow up my game x]

[@XLOR8T]

Do you think a pair of MP40s would benefit from this program or would you say their own programs such as Reef crest or tidal mode would have better varying flow?

[@GRodPericles]

I haven't heard good things about the Ice Cap gyres. Anyone have any personal experience?

[@pjfreak99]

Hey, you guys should do a video on the Triton method....

[@pjfreak99]

Yes, but what about tomorrow? :)

[@scottvandiver1373]

I simply can’t understand with the type of overflow that is on the brs160 (basically a 16” shadow) how is it possible able to get 1600 gph turn over? I have the 20” synergy reef shadow on a 180 and I can barely get 1200 gph without flooding all three drains? I get that the abyzz pump can drive the volume but it’s a matter of the overflows carrying that water volume.

[@googIereallysucks]

I wished you went over why you were still dosing aminos and if it's needed to run triton.

[@googIereallysucks]

I would be interested to know if the Triton method would be successful without the use of aminos. With the macro algae being so efficient and having to have such a large area for the algae to grow I would assume it is dropping no3 and po4 to undetectable levels, part of the reason you probably are dosing the aminos. How would the system react to those levels of nutrients and just ran everything according to Triton. Would I end up with pale corals?

[@SilatGayongTiger]

Question from a newbie, could I start triton method straight on the new tank with corals and fishes? Do I need to cycle it first?

[@SilatGayongTiger]

BulkReefSupplyCom Thank you for your prompt reply. If I install some coral frags and few small fishes with cycled media then I am good to go with triton method, am I right?

[@carson4533]

Add some more sand!

[@tkiefer72]

Can you explain what all the extra "0"'s refer to? Trying to semi replicate this just using the apex with the module since they are sold out EVERYWHERE? the best I can to is on for 45 off for 45 and offset the second gyre outlet. but this doesn't give the "ramp down" feature.

[@tkiefer72]

thanks, I was able to set up using the BRS video on programing the outlet setting, kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKvKdot4rquZe9k ... I just have my gyre controllers set to what I want and every 45 minutes they turn on opposite of each other with a minut of overlap one cycle and a minute of calm the next. . Fallback ON Pump 1: OSC 000:00/045:00/000:00 Then ON Pump 2: OSC 044:00/000:45/001:00 Then ON If FeedA 005 Then OFF

[@PSCThrillSeeker]

Hey Ryan, Just out of curiosity what's the water level in the sump? Presently my water level in my sump is 9 inches, is the water level in the BRS 160 Sump higher than that? My fug is presently in the second section with the Protein skimmer in the first chamber.Tthanks Ryan.

[@PSCThrillSeeker]

But what's the water level in the sump?

[@PSCThrillSeeker]

But what's the water level in the sump?

[@holywarrior51]

do you think the triton method would work for a large fish only system ,as with many fish only tanks it would be a matter of time before you would have to treat the tank with medication,which would possibly kill off the algae in the sump,the main idea would be to achieve low nitrates,what are your thoughts :)

[@holywarrior51]

do you know if copper treatments kill the chaetmorpha ps thanks for the reply

[@igcakewalk6416]

I get what the program is trying to do, so I don't need that explained. My question is, what are all the 0,0,0,0's doing?

[@davidrivas2127]

But you didn’t specify the cost.