Rachel Oates SPEAKS OUT on Gabbie Hanna LIES | Exclusive Interview

[@VangelinaSkov]

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[@justanotherpiccplayer3511]

Lmao friendly reminder to myself that I need to back ur book 😂 how long have we got?

[@adamlowe8822]

You seem awfully silent on Keffals since that one video on her

[@sylviafrida819]

"I don't care about her opinion" Proceeds to obsess over it for 5 years

[@yorusoka2341]

@@blueismylove3128 An?

[@blueismylove3128]

@@yorusoka2341 Lol, dude idk

[@D_YellowMadness]

She's the sequel to Yanderedev.

[@Roadent1241]

She must doing that 'in love' thing. Or she's jealous. Maybe both. To quote the one lass from Horizon Forbidden West - "Turns out there's a fine line between love and hate."

[@troycambo]

not a fan of gabbi at all but rachel clearly displayed LOW SOCIAL IQ to receive a book and denounce it. Sure if it was trash & you have any social etiquette you'd keep it to yourself. She clearly uploaded the critique as a way to generate clicks and money. Now portraying herself as a victim lol.

[@Nikkers8]

I believe the main purpose of Gabby's non-apology was to let the world know she is NOT sorry to Rachel Oates & Jessi Smiles.

[@meredithnavin1358]

That's an excellent point.

[@troycambo]

Not a fan of Gabby but why would she apologise to someone who exploited her for clicks and money. No one cared about the poetry so it wasn't some public service. Rachel trying to play victim lol "she called me names"

[@blehblehs]

@@troycambo I’m not a fan of either of these people but how is critiquing her book “exploiting” her? Criticism of literature has existed for thousands of years, and it’s a given to expect it when you put a book out into the public. Not only that, Rachel had posted critiques of other youtuber books, so it’s not like she was targeting Gabbie specifically. Gabbie seems like the type of person who cannot bear to be put in her place, she thought that by putting out a poetry book she would be an artist, and she couldn’t handle somebody comparing her to real artists.

[@the_syncopated_traveler1453]

Not that Rachel needs my opinion, but all the vitriol GH spewed at her over the years was projection. GH was, is, and will always be jealous of Rachel's talent and artistic knowledge

[@kamin570]

Exactly my thoughts

[@idontspeakenglish827]

And she’s beautiful, something GH can’t stand in women, especially brilliant ones

[@debphelan-devon7928]

You are so right

[@lisarodriguez6966]

I agree. I believe she thought highly of Rachael, and was immaturely hurt. The kids call it narcissistic injury. Followed by projection on GH's part. Rachael lives rent free in her head forever after.

[@cailinanne]

Yep!

[@mikalcarruthers]

I'm happy you made this video. Rachel had every right to stand up for herself and not accept Gabbie's apology. Why should see? Gabbie has shown she's not truly sorry and she's putting on a show. You and Rachel are the best and I'm glad you interviewed her. I'm liking this video now

[@JogaYoe]

Let’s not forget Gabbie never apologized to Rachel!

[@mikalcarruthers]

@@JogaYoe Exactly

[@AWindy94]

I am still, to this day, *blocked on Twitter by Jimmy Snow* over defending Rachel on this. I shared a great evaluation of his apology, by therapist Mickey Atkins, and he blocked me. He unblocked everyone else as he promised, except me 🙃 I was like. But why me? I'm literally no one 😂🤔

[@ItsNicoleOkay]

Then you’re probably not the only one he hasn’t unblocked and he was just saying it

[@janecarothers4851]

I am also still blocked for asking him a legitimate question about this whole thing like bruh 💀

[@viktorija214]

That is so anfair but probably means your right since they did not anblock you and your profile picture is kul☺️

[@AWindy94]

@@ItsNicoleOkay Apparently not! Its nice to know I'm not alone 😆 He really just like, unblocked a couple people n was like "I uNbLoCkEd evErYoNe LiKe I sAiD I wOuLd" 🙃

[@itsjustshelbs]

oh same. he and I were mutuals on Twitter for a couple years I think until the whole GH bullying Rachel thing happened, then he just disappeared off my list never to be seen again. not upset about it by any means though 😂

[@martymcflown3707]

Reviews are for the readers, not for the writers. The amount of times an author has had a tantrum about someone giving a poor review of their work is ridiculous at this point, but in Gabby's case it feels especially egregious as she was already a public figure who should have an understanding that critique is part of the job. I really just don't think she's suited for any kind of fame, since she responds to any criticism in the same way.

[@coyoteartist]

That Rachael reads or what ever her name is loves to say writers should stay out of review spaces. Got a good point.

[@troycambo]

it wasn't a review. It was a video using her name to clout chase and make money and get views. Like let's be honest ain't noone reading gabi's poetry or cares about a review of such a work.

[@rosemulet]

I forgot about Gabbie Hanna honestly. INSANE how she has 5 million subs, yet struggles to hit 10K views per upload.

[@ihatemickiegee]

omg i didn’t know that that’s hilarious 😅 you get what you give … shouldn’t have made fun of rachel’s “Miss 4k views on your fuckin makeup tutorial” 🙄🙄🙄

[@gioi_a]

the way rachel’s 3h video about the apology has twice the views as her apology video is HILARIOUS. oh, irony….

[@valvihk3649]

I dont get that, why are there such a contrast? why be subscriber if you dont like it

[@leishathanthou9161]

I think its kinda sad that she alienated everyone to the point that thats the case, and its all bc of her own behavior

[@rosemulet]

OMG the way that gabby completely insulted and tried to discredit her instead of actually listening to the criticism…yikes…

[@annepoler4710]

Jimmy Snow acted so terribly in all of this. I had weird feelings about him before and this made it clear that he's a smug jerk. Some friend.

[@mikalcarruthers]

Jimmy Snowflake deserved his downfall. No lie

[@CatBarefield]

I stopped following him after this debacle. His nice guy shtick started feeling less and less sincere. I wonder if he’s reached out to Rachel after all this…

[@whiteraven562]

Yeah, I'd started drifting from his content after he started to move from informative videos about the dangers of Mormonism into smug reddit atheism. And then the Gabbi hannah stuff happened

[@sleepysmartboy6287]

Same here. It got strange around this time to me and then the thing about what he did with fans happened and it went downhill fast. Was kind of sad as an ExMo to see others in the same boat take insane turns

[@TheEnthusiasticHobo]

I honestly forgot he even existed until this video but am I remembering correctly that it was after he started to get backlash when he started to talk about his autism diagnosis almost as a way to deflect blame and avoid taking any responsibility for his actions? Or have I completely created a false memory here??

[@jilllime3824]

On the inequality between men and women on KZbin - Cody Ko was wicked harsh with some of the channels he commentated on and still ended up being supported by the people he dunked on. Several of them, I can think of at least three, even went on to collaborate with him. Meanwhile, Rachel, with her much more respectful and technical videos has been vilified online and attacked by multiple creators she’s spoken about.

[@troycambo]

yeah cody didn't receive a gift and have it spat back in his face.

[@chellyfishing]

Jimmy messaging Rachel to soften her review was so inappropriate. If you don’t want people to say “mean” things about your work then don’t publish it. You don’t get to put something out there, FOR MONEY, and demand everyone shower you with praise or else face years of harassment and abuse. Authors shouldn’t be engaging with reviews of their work anyway, but if you’re going to subject yourself to it, you cannot blame anyone else for the way it makes you feel. Anyway, other than the terrible topic, this is such a lovely interview. Rachel is so kind and thoughtful, Doggolescence is such a sweet little project, and the more coverage of her side of the story, the better. Gabbie has massive reach that she’s consistently been heinously irresponsible with. Also, Reads With Rachel mention 🎉🎉 another excellent KZbin Rachel.

[@Catie_Joy]

Jimmy Snow is what happens when you deconstruct your religion but neglect to deconstruct ego/exceptionalism, patriarchy/misogyny, power/fame, etc. I have so much respect for post-religious people who have really unpacked not just their previous religious ideology, but also all of the baggage that comes along with it that doesn’t necessarily harm them personally. It’s a bummer that Jimmy (who I’m still blocked by on Twitter because I corrected something sexist he said during the Gabbie drama) stopped short and became an ass instead.

[@lakriz116]

I also believe he was desperate to be part of the KZbinr community and choose popular youtubers over anyone else

[@tjrune3432]

Oh? Did something happen with Jimmy? I fell off when his anxiety in videos began to just trigger my anxiety. He just never seemed in an okay mood, everything seemed to always be exploding. Or unless he was insulting someone or something.

[@AWindy94]

He really unblocked like four people and then was like "I uNbLoCkEd eVeRyOnE" 😂 I'm so glad I'm not alone.

[@meatofmink]

jimmy snow always seemed like a deeply insecure man and his sky daddy seemed needlessly nasty to spout constantly. im an agnostic who had to deal with deep religious trauma but jimmys way of presenting his points were just juvenile after a while.

[@Lucifersfursona]

Yeah :/ Jimmy was one of my first intros to survivors of American cults, I found Zelph on the Shelf (legendary, did the work Jimmy didn’t with deconstructing) through watching him when they used to collab. How he handled this situation especially after how much he spoke about processing his own experiences as being an abusive partner was… really depressing and infuriating. I felt like he was returning to patterns of abuse by aligning with and prioritizing another abuser, Gabbie, over seemingly everything he had built, and that view made it easier to empathize with him. But the ways he doubled down, and how he switched from processing his own trauma to an amazing atheist style call in show, where he and usually Mormon cult members just screamed at each other and did debate bro zingers with no actual conversation happening at all, a style of content I find deeply unappealing and tbh, useless… it was time to let him go. I do hope he’s able to move past the state of self that made all this shit okay in his mind. But it’s really, really not okay.

[@gh0stcup]

I find it interesting the way Rachel considers her memory to be an age issue. I personally believe trauma could have a lot to do with it. She's an autistic woman who was in an abusive relationship, had a turbulent upbringing, AND lived through the height of a global pandemic. If that's not trauma, I don't know what is...

[@Aelffwynn]

Yeah, I'm having memory issues at a similar age to Rachel. I joke that it's age, but it's not. It's a lot of things.

[@bettyunicorn6132]

That might explain my memory issues as an autistic teen who’s early childhood has marred by an abusetive mother figure

[@sypherthe297th2]

Let's not forget being targeted by an online hate mob fomented by a wretched human being named Peter/Ethel (this may have changed) who goes by EssenceofThought KZbin.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Same here. Almost years of my life have been suppressed; my active memory is dedicated for everything else, like random baseball statistics and the first few pages of the Hobbit.

[@LammyHowl]

Same

[@TwinkTwankTwonk]

I forgot about the Jimmy Snow part of the whole situation, despite it being the reason I stopped watching him years ago. This was a really good interview and I'm so happy to see Rachel sharing her side. Gabbie hasn't changed, at all. This new religion arc is just a mask and she is using religion as a shield to avoid accountability -- there is nothing truly spiritual or Christian about the way she is behaving.

[@RomeroRomeral]

I unsubbed for the same reason.

[@PucaFlea]

She’s still the same nasty person. No hate like Christian love as they say

[@lindseystein9676]

I stopped watching him after this whole situation.

[@KelseyLovato]

Same!

[@caseyw.6550]

​@@lindseystein9676 Me, too! I only just remembered he even existed. 😂

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Shaking my head as Rachel says it makes no sense to be paranoid that Gabbie befriended Jimmy with a malicious, pre-planned agenda. Nodding vigorously as Vangelina says Gabbie is calculated and the friendship was suspiciously timed. 😅😅 Lots of love to Rachel. ❤

[@ealusaid]

Yes! As theories go, it's actually the one that properly accounts for all the data, when a random occurrence would actually be harder to believe. It's a really common form of social aggression ("bullying" as Gabbie would say) to co-opt someone's support system and isolate them before attacking directly.

[@kelly-annmaddox]

@@ealusaid You said it perfectly. 👏

[@plantedinwv9043]

I don’t think you’re paranoid at all. As soon as Gabby pulled the Jimmy thing I said myself that seemed planned.

[@taylors445]

I agree. Why else would she go to their only mutual friend to complain? Also she clearly neglected to tell Jimmy that she sent Rachel the book in the first place. Obviously she wanted someone to take her side and Jimmy played right into her hand. His refusal to believe that Gabbie could manipulate him only hurt him further. The way he doubled down and defended Gabbie was the end of his channel. Sad to see but his refusal to listen to anything his audience was saying, only cemented people to stop watching him entirely.

[@winterviveca5976]

I will never understand how Jimmy Snow could give his opinion on conflict and admit openly he has no idea what's going on in the conflict. Like what was he thinking

[@jo4550]

He left a religion that encourages men to open their mouths at every opportunity, and went into a career that rewards him for opening his mouth at every opportunity

[@menigh123]

It still appalls me that Gabby felt like it was okay to use ad hominem attacks against Rachel that were not only juvenile, but completely baseless.

[@troycambo]

yes it was a tantrum but the central tenet holds. Rachel a talentless hack used Gabi's name to get views and clicks and money.

[@gp6736]

I just want to say this: After the whole ‘drama’ began, I started watching Rachel’s videos because so many people came out saying she’s a great person. Since then I’ve began studying racism & feminism in uni and I’ve been thinking a lot about what kindness and community means. Rachel time and time and time again shows her kindness, her goodness, & her strength that informs her passion to fight for the right thing. Gabbie had to turn to religion to be perceived as a good person, but Rachel just is a good person and doesn’t have to fear god in order to be one. From everything she has experienced, Rachel could have turned out like Gabbie yet her goodness pushes her in the opposite direction. When talking about ‘how far Gabbie has come’ we must also mention how strong Rachel is. I’m really happy to hear Rachel’s side about this because you can see that what Gabbie did had an effect on her, yet here she being so so so so so respectful while saying her peace. I steer clear of parasocial relationships but my god it makes me so upset that Gabbie did this to Rachel! Rachel, I love your videos, I love how you promote education & kindness and I’m excited to see more! 🙏🏼

[@Lynsey17]

I don't think Gabbie's rage at Rachel's review was rooted in misogyny as much as the fact that Rachel's criticism was valid vs people who just made fun of the book. She had to vilify Rachel to justify dismissing the criticism. Insincere apologies & mental health events aside, I think Gabbie's talk at Oxford really shows how she feels about Rachel. She said some vile, unnecessary things just a few months ago.

[@CatBarefield]

I think its both

[@michelledawn7446]

I don’t know why Gabbie cares.. her poetry books have good audience reviews on Amazon from what I’ve seen.

[@Aster_Risk]

​@@michelledawn7446Because she doesn't want praise from her already brainwashed fans. She's mad that people truly invested in poetry and literature, like Rachel, didn't give her an ego stroke. It means more when someone who's respected for their opinion values your work.

[@AWindy94]

@@Lynsey17 Porque no los dos?

[@LA-mz1dd]

@michelledawn7446 I think because Rachel is educated and knowledgeable on the subject and Gabby is jealous of that. Many others have just made fun of her book but she seems more upset with the one person who gave it legitimate criticism.

[@Sugar735]

Gabbie should feel lucky to have someone as intellectual as Rachel reciew her poetry. I'd love to hear from rachel how my poetry could improve!

[@ShinSeul]

Honestly, I am with you. Such an opportunity would that be.

[@Lissyhead2]

Gabbie is the very definition of a gas-lighting narcissist. Even to herself. And those people always make the rest of the world feel like the crazy ones. But you're making perfect sense.

[@screw_it_why_not]

This! Gabby is concerningly hostile and obsessive.

[@Gangsterkitty401meow]

All the criticism Gabbie has said towards others is really how she feels about herself inside. She’s just projecting !! She’s a very weird and scary person. She is a gaslighter, a narcissist and a bully. She’s very mentally ill.

[@keljells]

Rachel is just such a sweet person, you feel it through the screen that she's just genuine and kind, how Gabbie attacked her as a BOOOLAY is just wild. Rachel is a gem.

[@CatBarefield]

Rachel, i want to thank you for modelling speaking highly of yourself and your achievements. It was relevant in the conversation, and refreshing to hear. I’m sorry GH felt the need to victimize you, you deserved none of it. And thanks Vangelina for hosting this convo :)

[@troycambo]

rachel aint a victim. she came at gabi and used her name for clicks and money

[@helloleesh]

I'm personally not suprised that Gabbie sought solace in the company of men like Keemstar. She's always been a "guy's girl" in the worst sense. Women have always been the enemy. "You're a bitch. You want my man. You're obsessed with me. You're lying about SA allegations." And now: "You're responsible for the lustful thoughts of men and their objectification of your body." Gabbie has always been so cripplingly insecure that she cannot help seeking the approval of men and bringing down other women to do so. The reviews of her latest "apology" are all over the map, and I'm actually exactly where Rachel is/was. Prior to that, I thought, "Well, she seems to be doing better, so good for her and everyone else. Perhaps we don't need apologies." But THIS. What is this? Making apologies to no one and laughing all sing-songy your way through them is so unserious... That took no effort on her part, but it was a quick way to give herself all the credit in the world. I'd still like my apology for those live streams, please.

[@viv8871]

"People care more about how we present our opinions than what our opinions are." OOF, such a good phrase there! It's so true.

[@Aelffwynn]

It is SO much about how you look and sound rather than what you actually say/think. It is so frustrating to me.

[@screw_it_why_not]

I’d argue Rachel wasnt snarky at all in that review but thats my opinion and I watched the entire thing because I was feasting on gabbi’s horrible writing. And also I loved rachel’s review because of how she reviews and gabbi’s harassment and defaming of her was absolutely disgusting. I’m happy we get to see more of rachel’s pov. She so intelligently and eloquently breaks these things down in a digestible way. Very well spoken!

[@troycambo]

snark is in the eye of the beholder. Also you must disagree with her because she admitted herself she was snarky.

[@ThelouwseFD]

Thank you for helping Rachel defend herself !

[@SleepyPurpleFox]

Gabbi did the same befriending tactic to iNabber, and manipulated that friendship to get a drama channel on her side. iNabber has videos about it on his channel.

[@JDRiley]

Thank you Rachel Oates for using a word I'd never heard before. "Pastiche" is now in my lexicon and shall be used accordingly.

[@girlypopgay]

YES Alizee, Rachel, and Vengelina together I NEED THIS 😭😭😭

[@AeliaReadsBooks]

seconded, I would love that

[@LilRedWitch]

As a woman who is a Christian I am so disgusted by Gabby’s misogyny. I left the church BECAUSE of the misogyny. I’m definitely more progressive Christian and spiritual because of just how insane the church can be. Just be kind to each other ! Most of my friends aren’t religious or Christian and we have the BEST conversations that we learn so much ! We dont try to covert each other we just try to educate each other and I love learning ! 100000% down for a religion video . Teach me about the sentient universe 🙏🏻

[@amandamandamands]

Hearing Rachel talk about having to correct something because it is wrong (regardless of if that is helpful to the conversation or not) is so relatable, I think that is a common autistic trait.

[@AshChiCupcak]

Rachel is so kind, talented, and intelligent. Gabbie is just jealous she can never be half the person she is. And using religion as a crutch to forgive herself without actually getting anyone's forgiveness is wild, but not surprising. Anything to avoid accountability huh. You're a good friend, Vangelina. Rachel's side deserves to be heard by as many people possible.

[@erikdaniels0n]

If Gabbie TRULY felt bad, she would’ve addressed Rachel by name in the video and not been so wishy-washy about it. She isn’t sorry, she didn’t appologize to Rachel directly, so Rachel is allowed to not accept her appology

[@Sarahkara1313]

Tbh as much as Jessi deserves an apology, I don’t think she ever wants Gabbi to speak her name. I don’t think it would do anything for Jessi

[@sunseraph1919]

I love the part about Rachel not downplaying her good qualities. She’s not saying that she’s the second coming of Jesus Christ. She is giving very relevant credentials in response to Gabbi Hanna fallaciously calling her unaccomplished.

[@Aelffwynn]

If I was Gabbie, I would be so embarrassed to even admit that I watched any reviews of my work. This years-long public grudge/hate campaign is BEYOND embarrassing for her.

[@deanwinchesterinthedarktower]

Gabby is using purity culture and the idea of modesty to write off other women's opinions. In the same way, she kept saying "you've not written a book, so I don't have to respect your opinion." But now that you have (and I think Jesse has too. Correct me if I'm wrong.) She can't use that as her reason for feeling higher than her critics. So now she has this reason that is so easy to change the goalposts for.

[@frankreads8618]

It feels like Gabbi feels threatened by other women, so she hates them to the point where she becomes misogynist and aligns with other misogynists because they enable and accept her misogyny.

[@isaacbenrubi9613]

Thank you for doing this interview and for giving Rachel time to speak her truth and stand up to the bullying that GH has put on her. GH's "apology" was about as bogus as you can get and it needs to be called out for what it is.

[@brynnbowers8405]

Her vendetta against Rachel is so strange, after a psychotic break, therapy, moving, etc she still comes after her a university

[@lithiumleski]

Glad you guys are doing this interview. Cannot wait to listen to this ❤

[@liesbeneathoureyes]

Great video and a Vangelina x Alizee x Rachel collab would be transcendental

[@athirherra8963]

Omg.. the fact about the difference between men and women on how they put their opinions.. straight to heart

[@RandomTwinkle]

Honestly, Gabbie going on and on about how much Rachel's opinion doesn't mean anything to her after five years, shows how it actually does. Started following Rachel because of the drama, and got into peotry because of her. Never watched Gabbies videos and never really cared for her content. Glad, you can make yourself heard, Rachel ❤

[@Jessiswatchingyou]

this part did give me a chuckle: "there's like 18 months between us, if that, have some respect" "is that all there is between you? _oh dear_ " because the realisation on Vangelina's face is so fucking funny, like gabby acts as if she's so much older and more mature than everyone when her behaviour is much more akin to an older twin born 1 minute earlier. There's not a whole lot more maturity 18 months can bring you at the age this all began, let alone now. I wholeheartedly agree it's so disrespectful to ignore someone's adulthood by constantly referring to them as a girl, boy, child, kid etc, and it's something that bothers me so much (I'm 28). To infantilise someone is demeaning and dismissive of their life experience, it's almost dehumanising to a point as it's denying an entire very important section of their life. It's so wild that even today people STILL feel the need to put others down to raise themselves up.

[@tenshirei]

My biggest takeaway from this whole multiyear mess Gabbie Hanna has made(/been) is how talented and intelligent and smart and kind Rachel is. Seems fitting.

[@rachelcuddington4210]

In my opinion... If you can call them out in your holding everyone accountable video, then you can call them out in your apology video. What irks me the most is how many commentary channels are just going, "oh it's a great apology! She did great!" GH is held to a different standard than most female KZbinrs... Quite evidently so...

[@zuzannakolbusz4832]

gosh, definitely need more of you guys working together!

[@Emiline729]

You two plus Aleezy need to start a podcast or something, I love listening to you guys bounce ideas off one another

[@DystopianOverture]

Rachel's reviews of literature is so helpful and I learn stuff. I'd be honoured that Rachel took the time to review my book if I wrote one. Gabbie struck gold with a reviewer that could her help improve and is being constructive.

[@localopa]

the argument of “you hate it so you parodied it” is asinine when you think about weird al yankovic. yes, he is a man and rachel made the point to say that men don’t get consequences for parodying, but weird al is so very respectful with his work. he asked artists if he could parody their songs, and, if they said no, he wouldn’t do it. that’s why he never did a prince parody. prince said no. infamously, even worse’s album cover was a parody of michael jackson’s bad cover. weird al is an outlier in this, yes, but he has never once said a bad thing about the artists he parodied. if people thought parodying something was akin to doing drag, exaggerating something for the sake of entertainment, i think more people would get that parody is an art form.

[@coyoteartist]

Firstly a friend of mine once said that anything an artist says is art, is art, that doesn't' mean it's good art. . Secondarily, the phrase “Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you.” keeps coming to mind. I'm not entirely sure why. I'm not even sure if I'm thinking of it, in regards to it's actual meaning or my brain is employing it for some similar concept, it's not let me in on

[@Eclipse-mf6hc]

Very unrelated, but as someone who watches Rachel Oates back in the day I had no idea she was autistic. I guess it makes sense why I gravitated towards her seeing as I’m also autistic

[@Mistertbones]

Gabby's grifting.

[@girlypopgay]

I LOVE reads with Rachel And fat sajack ☺️

[@CatBarefield]

Icons, both of them

[@meatofmink]

i love rachel’s wit and activism against censorship in schools. i dont watch fat sajack as much but she’s funny too.

[@roseaAlisu2000]

I remember how many of GH fans were attacking me for defending Rachel. I still can’t believe the things GB said, it was simply cruel and vile. I love Rachel. I hope she’s doing fine.

[@mostprofoundquiet]

Rachel didn't insult Gabbie as a person. She critiqued her work, work that was SENT TO HER FOR CRITIQUE BY Gabbie, but even if it hadn't been, critique is an acceptable thing. Gabbie, on the other hand, attacks Rachel's social ability, looks, personality, etc. If anyone is MEAN, it's Gabbie.

[@meowdyimfelix]

I've been watching Rachel since around when she put out the first review of Gabby's poetry and she has always seemed so sweet. She definitely doesn't need to accept Gabby's non-apology

[@daviniusb6798]

I just love you and Rachel Oates, seeing the two of you together is the highlight of my day! (I'm in Austria where we the people just voted for parties who are openly against us, the people).

[@charlottenh]

I think one of the reasons she took Rachel Oates so personally is because her review wasn't personal, but Gabbie hanna believes her work is amazing but that she gets a lot of hate because people just don't like her. Someone like James Marriott talked about the book how she expects to be "attacked", she hates it still, but its all about her dating history, vines, etc. so any criticism she focuses on these points and blames it on their general dislike of her. Rachael Oates was probably one of the few reviews that didn't care that it was written by Gabbie Hanna and just talked about content, which she took as a bigger personal attack on her instead of all the more "vapid" public reasons she is used to seeing and can usually blame the criticism on. (and obviously the misogyny).

[@JoF999]

I think you hit the nail on the head here. 100% agree.

[@4cprocess]

Reads with Rachel is great too! Love seeing all the great crossover with you and Rachel and Rachel :D

[@Dssd0608]

I think GH sent Rachel the second book with the intention of roasting her feedback, like entrapment style. Cos it’s “good tv” to make drama. I loved both of Rachel’s reviews of those awful books - they were intelligent and insightful and funny and human. I don’t think she should change anything, cos GH was only ever going to lash out at some point cos it’s how she keeps her subs.

[@ladyteeeee670]

Gabbie was jealous because an educated, intelligent woman told her the truth.

[@purgatorysystem2126]

It's bizarre to me that legal action hasn't been taken against Gabbie. Those were horrible things to say about people and incited harassment. And this is just ignoring how egregiously elitist she is over a subjective form of expression.

[@GreenFrog224]

I actually think it was really important for Rachel to defend her intelligence in her response to Gabbie. I've always believed that Gabbie took so badly to Rachel's videos because they weren't just making fun of her like others. She sat there an broke down literary techniques, compared to other works, and gave genuine feedback. She made a video that Gabbie couldn't defend by saying "they dont like me and are just doing it to bully me" (though she did attempt this). That's why Gabbie's entire diatribe was based around her claiming Rachel's lack of intelligence, if she could get people to believe that Rachel isn't intelligent then she can remove any legitimacy from Rachel's videos.

[@JoF999]

100%

[@xaria_9481]

39:45 yesss we need more women to stand up for themselves and to not be ashamed of having skills such as intelligence!! very glad she said this, and the fact that this would in turn help her audience become more confident with their own skills without needing to hide them from misogynists as well!!!

[@rainestar82]

Gabbie is triggered by people moving on and dropping the topic, triggered by people fighting back, triggered by anyone shes attacked saying ANYTHING and living their lives, basically. Combine that with the clear projection, aggression, grandiose behaviors.... narcissism or some other cluster b disorder. I'm so proud you and Rachel are still speaking on this, still giving your perspective and yes, Rachel is owed a sincere apology on HER terms. Gabbies video was posturing and the fact that its clear she hasnt reached out privately to the people she KNOWS shes attacked says EVERYTHING. It takes strength to even continue talking when shes trying to exhaust and strawman people into silence, and I'm so glad you two did this video.

[@broelle4716]

honestly thank you for sharing your platform with rachel, she deserves her side of this to be boosted

[@13bigbangtheory]

GH was bothered by Rachel more than anyone else BECAUSE Rachel is educated. Because it was a valid and thorough criticism and there was no ignorance or silliness used that GH could use in dismissing Rachel’s opinion. So she name called, and insulted Rachel. Truly disgusting behavior

[@brunetteartist24]

This was genuinely such a nice interview- also side note it'll be fun to see you, rachel and alizee on like a single podcast episode. Your camaraderie about the astrology and general other stuff was really fun

[@sodasarbat]

The sweet little conversation tangent between you both was so cute, I loved it! Definitely want more.

[@annabelle69]

I fucking forgot how MALICIOUS Gabbie was to this lovely woman what the hell 😭😭

[@Itzscii]

She may have sent people to Rachel but, after seeing how good and interesting Rachel was, I was sure to stay.

[@MacDemarcosCigarette]

I laughed out loud when she said “you can’t take criticism towards yourself at all” Like girl do you even know wtf you’re talking about 😂 how ironic

[@warlordofbritannia]

I’ve been watching Rachel for years, since she made the first Pearl video. She’s one of the least threatening people on the Internet; the only reason for people to attack her is that they see her as an easy target.

[@HaapainenRouske]

Gabbie Hannah describing Rachel as "toxic, abusive, exploitative bully" is 100% projection. Like, that's you, Gabbie! You can't pretend that you're so above it when being toxic is almost part of your brand. If she only really cared as little as she claims she does... would make everything a whole lot easier instead of still being petty that a reviewer didn't like a poetry book that she obviously didn't put that much effort or care into in the first place. I get that if someone tears down your passion project that you worked really hard for and tried your best with your craft... but it was just so lazy. At least it felt like it. So it's clearly not even about the art itself, Gabbie just chose the worst possible profession for someone who isn't mentally well enough to handle well founded critique. It's just not going to end well.

[@seagullcrimes]

I’ve never understood the backlash that Rachel got for her reviews of Gabbie’s poetry. It never seemed unfair or malicious to me, it was just critical. Also, she didn’t always have negative things to say about Gabbie’s work! Yes, she got more snarky after Gabbie continued to lash out and/or make digs at her about her review(s). I can’t honestly say that I would’ve acted any differently, had I been in Rachel’s position. Her initial review wasn’t that bad, though. She had pretty well-measured, constructive feedback about the majority of it. Reviews are for the readers. If you put your work out there, you’re going to receive criticism. You have to figure out how to receive that and cope with it. You’ll also receive praise! Focus on that. Take the criticism in stride, and figure out if it resonates with you in some way. Grow from there, if you want to. So much more of that whole fiasco is on Gabbie than it is on Rachel.

[@wisdomteethsoup]

Gabbie reminds me very much of a mean girl that never grew out of her mean girl phase, especially all her new "I'm being the bigger person, and I'm sorry to anyone who had a problem with me" has such a mean malicious lean to it. I never thought highly of her, at most I was neutral about her when she seemed to be "doing better" but I think she really is deep down just a nasty mean person who cant look at anything she has done in her life and truly internalize how cruel she consistently is to people. She has to be the best most right person in the room all the time and anyone who challenges that is suddenly public enemy number one, and she is particularly mean and nasty to the people she sees as the most vulnerable because those are the people she can beat down the hardest. Personally I think she used Rachel as her whipping post because how dare such an insignificant person even attempt to critique or parody her. That and the fact that Rachel HAS been holding back and not outspokenly told her off (because she's being the bigger person) means Gabbie feels like she's justified and safe to keep punching down to make herself feel better. It's not any sort of misunderstanding, it's Gabbie being a bully who feels better when she is able to put Rachel down and I am so glad Rachel is finally speaking up because Gabbie is not going to handle this situation like a grown adult. She's going to keep bringing it up till she's blue in the face because she is incapable (at this moment at the very least) of serious constructive self reflection. Hopefully Rachel speaking the very clear truth of the situation is enough to make her shut up about it out of embarrassment. If not embarrassment of her behaviour, then of the public perception that comes from showing her entire ass to the internet over a book review she shouldn't have watched in the first place if her feelings were so fragile.

[@mirrojas]

Jeez I remember all of this. Thankfully, I found Rachel’s channel through this & I’m still subbed! I wish Gabbie would just realize she doesn’t really have a place on KZbin anymore. It’s just all negativity.

[@rebeccaphillips2207]

COMPLETELY agree with the gender double standards when it comes to anything comedy in general

[@burni988]

After the horoscope convo I had to comment how much I love seeing you guys on screen together. Your energies complement each other so well!

[@zinatarata]

This was almost gone from my head, but now I remember unsubscribing from Jimmy Snow because of all this.

[@mfc3553]

I feel this Gabbie comes out of nowhere every # years to stir more drama after people have effectively moved on and are finally free of her and actually look happy, she needs to stfu and go away and stay away,geez. She needs to lose fcking acceso to social media and seek mental help.

[@yulliyren8752]

we need a podcast between you three, this was so nice to put in the background when yall had a tangents ab planets and stuff

[@sygilloux-v2]

I'm an exJW so i'd love to hear yall talk about beliefs and stuff!

[@DarkEclipce]

Narcissistic people like Gabbie do this. They spin people in circles and hit that one nerve that makes them feel like they’re nuts for being hurt by her. Rachel doesn’t deserve that in the slightest. I’m glad she’s speaking out. Also Gabbi’s poetry and music is godawful. Thank god for reviewers like Rachel that respect the consumer dollar unlike Gabbie who just wants to make money off of this embarrassing religious revival

[@KellieValentine]

Her vague general apologies seems like she’s apologising to make herself feel better and not because she actually cares that she hurt people.

[@BabyDinosaurRawr]

I'm not a podcast person but I would listen to a podcast of Vangelina and Rachel all day

[@x_houseofwolves_x]

i would 100% love to see you guys discussing religion/spirituality! i think it would be really interesting

[@AAMM101]

26:00 A nobody? Seriously, why are actually talented people, kind, down to earth and humble.

[@justarandomchaneldontmindm9098]

Please have a discussion about religion and how it's used to control women, POC, LGBTQ people since the beginning of time. I originally started watching Rachel Oats when she was talking about Girl Defined

[@leonakoci]

I would love to see a video of you two discussing religion and your perspectives

[@thousandreasonswhynot]

48:01 yes please! I would definitely watch you guys talk about religion and stuff

[@etiennesportfolio]

Agree!

[@CoreenMontagna]

57:21 reminds me of how Van Morrison recorded a bunch of ridiculously stupid songs just to finish out such a contract. My favorite is Royalty Check, followed closely by Ring Worm. It’s called The Bang Sessions, and you can find it on KZbin.

[@idontspeakenglish827]

I’d die to get a feedback from some students present at that pathetic stuff at that uni

[@thejadedragon5535]

I've been watching you for 4 years now. I can't believe you are where you're at in 4 years. That's so impressive! You went from gaming and then commentary and then now you do these like really in-depth commentary videos and it's just it's so nice and you've written a book! That's great ❤❤❤

[@starrycat110]

The part where Rachel’s talking about acknowledging her strengths and intelligence, and how doing that is an encouragement to her audience; that’s exactly what makes me love her as a creator so much. I think she’s so brilliant 🥹 and I admire her for her honesty and openness