Racing Games and Clutch Pedals

Which game implemented better the clutch?
Let's find out...
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[@trizziebrah4417]

For my dirt rally buddies out there Test one: yes Test two: yes Test three: half (similar to project cars 2) Test four: half, (similar to iracing)

[@frozetti434]

Didn't expect to have my preferred sim recognized, thanks!

[@andrievbastichy8551]

ty bro!

[@frankgutmann829]

In fact all Manual Transmissions can be shifted without clutch. Up and down. It does not hurt if done correctly. Similar to quickshifter or blipper on bikes. The magic lies within synchronized gears.

[@treerexaudi]

Heel toe

[@jamiedh3036]

This is correct, but is usually achieved at low revs at a fairly low, constant speed - but Frank is 100% it can be done.

[@rostislavkocev5089]

Exactly what I want to say.

[@MegaFPVFlyer]

It CAN be done, but the risk of missing a shift or damaging the transmission is way too high to be worth it in a racing scenario.

[@viperconcept]

Frank, what you say is true, but I challenge you to do that while racing. :P

[@elmerbalentina5574]

Another thing I love from Assetto Corsa is that if you have a full setup (wheel, H-shifter and clutch), you can only use h-shifter on cars that use it in real life. And you can only use sequential shifting in cars that use sequential in real life too.

[@piericroussel7479]

You can use H-Shifters on automatic/sequential cars, you just have to change a value in transmission.ini (if I'm not mistaken it's this file).

[@Elkhose]

@@piericroussel7479 but the intention of the game is to have the car work like real life which amazes me cz I like authenticity and hate to look up every race category what transmission or driving aids they use, I just want to drive like the real life discipline is

[@vastsav9578]

@Elmer Balentina The same thing happen and in GT sport.

[@piericroussel7479]

@@vastsav9578I think R3E does that too.

[@gypyoutb]

I was disappointed by PCars 2 doesn't differentiate H-shifter cars just like AC, and also allows shifting without clutch. Just made me feel unnecessary to do some clutch-shifting.

[@dekoldrick]

Gran Turismo and IRacing sort of have it right. If the engine and transmission speeds are not synchronized, you might get locked out of the gear and will be stuck in neutral until corrected. It will feel like a wall is there until they are close to matching even though it's possible to force it, then that's when damage occurs. I think this implementations is because a controller shifter has no mechanical feedback so there's nothing to physically lock you out from shifting or feeling the grind of partially engaged gears. AC takes the route of damage because there's nothing physically stopping you for forcing it into gear.

[@Oleg-oe1rc]

Yeah, if you shift very slowly and carefully, then gt and iracing are technically right. But if you hammer on the gears in the sim like a lot of people do, then AC is more accurate. PC2 also shreds your gearbox if you shift without clutch, he must have had damage off. That said, if you do it just right, you can shift a manual transmission, and even start it, without the clutch. Have had to do it on my E36 when the clutch pedal went out on the highway.

[@blademirlima4708]

I had a old Ford Escort and learned to shift the gear without th e clutch, one tim e it saved me when the clutch cable broke,and I managed to bring it back home running. Now I have a Corsa B and only can put it in neutral without the clutch. I don't want to force it, the repair is ducking expensive... Both of the games are right, it's different from car to car.

[@Kasmuller]

You get locked out in ac too

[@kenesufernandez1281]

❤️

[@Wooskii1]

@dekoldrick Exactly. I think it's the best solution if the game doesn't have drivetrain damage, a good middle ground.

[@PPedroFernandes]

Disappointed none of the cars "jumped" when you released the clutch on the first test

[@jayplexy5983]

In Project Cars 2 they do.

[@RaceDriverMIKU]

Press start engine with 1st gear or above and without clutch disengaged. They do jump, It's really a shame that Project CARS 2 always applies auto clutch when shifting without clutch. as I remember, auto clutch when shifting must be off by pressing a key on keyboard.

[@PatalJunior]

On Beamng Drive they DO!

[@hugoyohola1]

They do in iRacing, you just need to turn off anti stall in the settings

[@ChizeSOI]

They jump in Live For Speed which probably has the best clutch system out there.

[@ddt3619]

But....but...but... You forgot the ultimate race sim Mario Kart 8...

[@SSmallwood]

y E s

[@LCRandRC]

First That’s A Family Race game,not a real life compared one,second,it doesn’t support clutch

[@janen7385]

Hot Wheels Stop Motion WOW HOLY SHIT YOU DON'T SAY

[@lukatoprek936]

@@LCRandRC r/whoosh

[@mendozerosu2272]

DDT the wii version was better innit

[@treerexaudi]

Wanna here a joke? Forza Horizon 4 clutch c:

[@budaroddy]

Hear

[@DobieMeltfire]

Surprising Forza Motorsport (I'm not sure which, I think it's FM3) has a really good clutch system including clutch damage. I'm not sure if it still apply for FM7 since the physic has been simplify for... ahem... Horizon racers.

[@VictoGalvao]

FM7 is like Project cars, even turned off, it still shifts with no problem at all, sad

[@abekik2]

The problem here is you have to press the clutch very Hard xD

[@odrithingamajig]

@@DobieMeltfire Ah yes, the dastardly Horizon players. They are the scum of the earth for they play an arcade game. If I came across as an arsehole, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. It's just that your reaction to the thought of Horizon racers was a bit silly, but I think it's perfectly fine if you don't like Horizon.

[@EraClawZ]

pc2 even allows you to push-start the car, just tested it on a steep location on the ring, turn off your car, put it in 2nd gear and hold your clutch until you reach about 10km/h, then quickly release your clutch, your engine should be running

[@willpark7483]

EraClawZ a bump start

[@pizza_parker9689]

EraClawZ damn

[@neonman1604]

That’s really dope

[@olevet75]

old school

[@deepermantis]

in iRacing, you should turn off "Anti stall clutch" option in driving aids menu. If you do so, engine will stall.

[@Randomii666]

The iRacing upshift is actually alright. you CAN force higher gear in without using clutch if you relase the throttle. And you can also properly upshift and downshift (downshift is MUCH harder) without clutch with synchronized gearbox. This doesn't work with full-on race cars though, as they usually have straight cut gears and no synchros. If you want to learn to shift without clutch in real life, get a 80's Nissan. Really easy and simple to do.

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

how gran turismo sports did not passed the 3rd test? it was literally the only game that managed to mimic a real transmission without clutch

[@jamie-nc3dz]

But, it was with the clutch

[@salmanko5610]

Exactly

[@kenesufernandez1281]

❤️

[@lion_dragon]

Test 4, iRacing. That's a pass. In a real car you csn shift without the clutch if you match the revs. I have owned cars where the clutch cable broke leaving the clutch unable to disengage. The test passed because if you let off of the accelerator pull the stick out of gear and hold it down against the next gear while leaving your foot off the accelerator it will eventually drop into the next year when the revs are matched between the engine and the gearbox. Watching your test run iRacing simulated this perfectly. Try it multiple times in a row in the same car (in game) going between the same two gears. It should be possible to shift both up and down without using the clutch provided that the game simulates the proper delay and it should give you a slight gear grinding sound. the up shift will leave a delay before switching into the next gear. downshifting should work if you heel toe without using the clutch but again there should be a delay until the RPMs drop down before going into gear. in both cases the car should visibly jerk a little. in a real car to shift without using the clutch you want to pull it out of gear as you're letting your foot off the accelerator and without pushing the clutch. Then hold the stick against the next gear with light pressure. As the RPMs fall the stick will eventually plunk into the gear. downshifting is the same except you must rev the the engine up since the target RPM for the Rev match is higher than the current RPM. other than that the process is exactly the same hold it against the gear and wait for the RPMs to drop and it will plunk in. just to be clear folks this is not a suggested activity this is scientific data. if you go out and ruin your car trying to reproduce What I described above it's your own dumbass fault. this is one of those emergency techniques that you use to get an already ruined car home. Then you forgot one test. stopping the car in gear without pushing in the clutch. of course you know it should lunging jerk to a stop killing the engine. thanks for the great science I wish I could have written this in Italian.

[@shindiscord6541]

You're right, you can shift without the clutch if revs are matching, however sim games do't really have "pushing gently on the stick" you can just stick it into gear, if you try to do it without rev matching you should get transmission damage (not a broken one straight away ofc) as long as the revs aren't close enough, and when they are close enough the car goes into gear. So it shouldn't really just wait gently in neutral until revs are close enough. (so basically the same system as in iRacing but with transmission damage added)

[@SKKTeam]

Yeah, it's correct. Once my dad drove 150km without clutch, because the clutch cable is broken.

[@francescomecca3783]

I was about to write the same thing mate! I hope he sees it :)

[@francescomecca3783]

Ti faccio un sunto del fenomeno perché forse in italiano ti è più facile. Quando i giri dell'albero motore si eguagliano a quelli dell'albero di trasmissione è possibile anche irl cambiare senza frizione, questo fenomeno avviene circa a 2000-2500 giri per le utilitarie quindi se ne hai una puoi provarci! A me è capitato per 2 giorni di doverlo fare perché si ruppe lo spingidisco e in alcuni casi, sopratutto con la scalata era necessario.

[@JZStudiosonline]

@@shindiscord6541 I noted that PCars 1 actually had rev matching. You could shift at 3000 and 6000 rpm, but if you were off it would just grind gears.

[@MondoMarcy94]

In assetto corsa, kunos cars can start from 0 rpm (Engine off) because the torque figure is set up to actually produce power even with the engine stalled. If the torque value is set on 0 at 0 rpm, the car won't start, unless you press the clutch or disengage the transmission. I don't know why kunos chosed to put torque at 0 rpm, but the simulation model on assetto still acts real when everything is set correctly. There are car mods that can prove what I'm saying

[@SheetFiber]

what is the mod name? will there be a starter sound effect?

[@MondoMarcy94]

@@SheetFiber never heard a starter sound on assetto corsa unfortunally, if I'm not wrong the Ford focus made by beto is a good example. You can find it at bz simworks of facebook

[@leonlange861]

I will try it myself putting the torque in the power.lut file on 0 at 0rpm tomorrow

[@Wimbold]

It's just weird. In neutral it won't idle at zero rpm, but in any gear it will.

[@leonlange861]

@@Paoktsisgat4 but does your car start when you apply the throttle without turning the key, pressing the starter button, whatever you have?

For the first test: why does iracing get a pass and wreckfest a fail when they both do the exact same thing? Also: nothing strange for the 3rd test with iRacing, you can shift without a clutch. just have to find the right rev to synch the gearbox and engine. (that's why you could pass some gears but not some others, not the right rev for the speed) Also, PC2 you get transmission damage for shifting without clutch.. you just don't have damage on. IMO, FInal results should be : 6 - 6 -7 - 5 -2 .

[@stpbasss3773]

Also project cars2 he complained how it shifts slow when he has it set like that🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ it's set at 50 default which is super slow anyone who plays the game puts it at 0 or like 5 lol.

[@CoDplayer458458]

Didn’t think I’d find what I was looking for, but this is exactly it. Thanks a bunch for the work you put into this!

[@Slaterking2010]

Years I have wondered these tests. You have answered my questions, thank you.

[@RCAUTOKAT]

BeamNG will win in all these tests, I tested and was impressed with the result. There's even a car starts to twitch if you throw the clutch pedal!

[@solaireofludomedia1323]

>Can't upshift without releasing the throttle >Test NOT PASSED I think I didn't understand

[@viperconcept]

Basically: in-game you can't do something you can do in real life.

[@wagge2103]

Well you know its pretty simple. By pressing the clutch you disconnect the engine from the gearbox, so the engine now can rev as high or low as it wants, the gearbox isnt affected and spins just as fast as it would if the throttle was released, which means a gear change is possible anyway ^^

[@solaireofludomedia1323]

@@wagge2103 So the engine revs up as it is in Neutral but you can upshift without any problem

[@piericroussel7479]

@@solaireofludomedia1323 yes, it just creates a HUUUGE load on the transmission, which is why it's not recommended (so that includes launches too).

[@wagge2103]

@@solaireofludomedia1323 exactly ^^

[@RacingBureau]

Enjoyed the video, always wanted to test it my self. Thanks!

[@BA-rh5hy]

PC2 destroys your transmission if you shift without the clutch.

[@RayznGames]

He didnt had the damage ON i said it hope he reads it :)

[@e01nerv]

it does not on PC. i have the damage set to on auto-clutch off. it's the only reason why i play AC more than PC2. sucks really

[@arthurmendes6323]

If you just set the damage as ON on PC2, it will not be realistic damage. Change it to "realistic". Then you will see the damage being done to the clutch. But not only that, you will see fuel consumption, tyre degradation, aero damages (even the slightest ones) all get realistic.

[@e01nerv]

@@arthurmendes6323 yes everything is as real as it gets. You can try for yourself. I'd be amused if you get the car fail to shift or wreck the gearbox at any rpm without pressing clutch

[@arthurmendes6323]

Been there, done that. With the Damage set on "Realistic", auto-clutch set as off, if I did not rev-match the tranny and the engine, tranny damage. Try it. Don't be an AC fanboy.

[@MArcin91]

8:52 Power shifting :)

[@marziomoretti6167]

No beamNG.drive?? :(

[@marziomoretti6167]

there's not enough love for this game

[@derblaue]

@@marziomoretti6167 It'd destroy all sims in this category.

[@marziomoretti6167]

@@derblaue only rfactor is safe

[@marziomoretti6167]

when you change gear without clutch, it even calculates the damage on THAT GEAR, so you can still use the other ones if you did't break them (just like in real life)

[@piericroussel7479]

@@marziomoretti6167 I don't know if you're talking about rFactor, but if yes BeamNG.drive does it too. It even has a clutch temperature simulation where if it overheats it'll slip like a real one, and you can even damage many engine parts by overheating it.

[@Richie6098]

That PSP intro brings back so many memories. Awesome video btw.

[@Aleshotgun]

Awesome tests man!

[@SauceJockey]

PC2 actually had proper clutch behavior with auto clutch off at release. In addition, shift times varied depending on the car so that it took a bit of time for the transmission to get into gear after moving the shifter. People complained about not being able to row through the gears at lightspeed in the 66 mustang or whatever and got rid of the shift times and SMS dumbed down the clutch behavior.

[@noompunk]

Why not put BeamNG.drive for a test some time? It's a pretty solid driving simulator, despite being a bit rough on its edges and has outdated graphics compared to these games.

Beam NG will shift but give you transmission damage and a warning "use the clutch!" The car would stall if you don't rev it enough when starting like in PC2 wheels locks if you don't heeltoe. SO the result would be : T1 : 2 T2 : 2 T3: Didn't test that T4 : 1, because you can shift, you just take damages.

[@vali69]

@ thats the point of the last test (t4) to see if the transmission takes damage like in real life when you shift without using the clutch... Beam would get a perfect score on that cause it even calculates how much damage you take and you can even destroy the entire transmission...

[@vali69]

@ also test 3 is a perfect pass as well... You can shift with the throttle fully pressed and it works just fine... Depending on the car and engine you could in pass the red line and damage the engine xD

[@lzl0_699]

Finally, somebody has examined this. Thank you Viper Concept!

[@Cosm1c_69]

Not sure If I understand what video creator meant but in real life you can start a car while it is on 1st gear without pressing clutch. Give it throttle and start engine it will move :) It is common technique if someone have problems with clutch. Gears can be changed without clutch at specific RPM.

[@Trigiron]

Yes, the starter cranks the engine and if you're in first gear then your transmission is going along for the ride.

[@reacts]

My car won’t even start if the clutch isn’t in

[@codemy666]

@@reacts I think most newer cars don't allow starting itself without pressing the clutch to prevent you from accidentally moving

[@someweeb3650]

Assetto Corsa still gets it wrong, with how much torque you get from 0 RPM

[@Blazs120gl]

What happens when one tries starting the engine while in first gear in a stick shift, depends also on the region the car is sold. Some US market stick shift cars won't engage the starter until the clutch and/or brake is applied. This is not a mechanical limitation but a built-in safety feature to prevent accidental rollout. However, most models sold on European markets will engage the starter unconditionally. This makes it possible to escape from situations where the engine has stalled/malfunctioned on a ciritical spot, e.g. a railroad crossing. Most starters are geared to be able to reach the engine operational RPM (around 120 RPM is good enough to bring it up to idle speed) in first gear even while the car is only powered by the starter. Since the starter motor and battery sees a wide band of operational conditions (e.g. -30 degC oil with a weak battery), they are well over-geared in starting RPM. I knew someone who lost the clutch on his diesel van and he made it home by staying in second gear, killing the engine on traffic lights by braking and rolling out with the starter. I'm not saying it's good for the starter but it can definitely do it. So, in a simulation I would expect a powerful car to roll out and reach idle by cranking in first. Of course not full throttle, as some of the cars interpret cranking+flooring = flood clear, so no fuel is injected.

[@drifter6934]

Gran turismo 5 music such a throwback

[@Kropek13]

Regarding test #4 for PC2: Automatic clutch only enables you to set off from the standstill without using the clutch pedal - it's an assist that is there so players with 2 pedals can drive at all. And there's a reason PC2 allows you to shift without depressing the clutch: during testing the game had a proper no-clutch shift simulation where the gears would grind and all that stuff (like in Dirt Rally for example) BUT the testers were complaining that the shifts were missing even if they had done it "properly". They found out that they were trying to slam the next gear in without depressing the clutch fully or missing the gear engagement point with the clutch disengagement point so they just did away with this.

[@86rattlehead]

Great video, thanks!

[@Klausvans]

Great content as always, I think I am going to buy myself a racing wheel with pedals! I bet it a great fun over the normal joypad! 🏁🏁🏁

[@Crazii]

14:30 - it is rev matching as you would do driving with a broken clutch irl

[@drdriukas9433]

Exactly

[@MiGujack3]

Can confirm. Clutch went out, drove 200km like that on the autobahn anyway. Just do it right, there is still risk of damage but it's not catastrophic. I still have the gearbox with 360.000km

[@RDMracer]

Yeah, I'd recommend you do test #4 again, it should be possible to engage a gear without using the clutch. However you do need the right engine speed for it to work right. Most 70's and 80's racecars have gearboxes designed in such a way that you can just slam them into the next gear as long as you are not on the throttle. Obviously this only works on upshifts and not downshifts.

[@JoeCaparo]

Great video!

[@HungPhan-oj2iq]

Awesome video :) I really wanted to see how the clutch pedal would work with GT Sport because that's what I'm looking at getting the racing setup for

[@eduardoavila646]

Beamngdrive clutch system is reallt cool, you can even burn the clutch, have gearbox issues, etc

[@LucaFiltroMan]

Just FYI, you can technically start a car with a gear engaged and without pressing the clutch: thing is that it's going to be really jolty and that's going to put a lot of stress on the starter motor. Concerning the clutchless upshifts, they are also possible with consumer grade gearboxes but require a decent grade of finesse: with you feathering the throttle while gently but firmly and usually the gear slides in. Coming to racing grade gearboxes most of them being sequential (and dog leg, back in the day) are "requiring" you to upshift without releasing the throttle and sometimes without even touching the clutch at all :)

[@Sojonen]

You are right! I broke my clutch cable on my old car ones and had to start it in gear and drive a couple of miles home without a clutch. Gearshifts where fine if you just shift carefully and on the right rps.

[@alesstheboss]

hi @viperconcept i just discovered your channel and i like it ! i have a question and i dont find answers about it. as you played few different simualton racing games, which one would you choose at the end ? i know it depends on several parameters, mine would be, best handling and sound. grazie !

[@bradleyland]

Also regarding test #4, iRacing is simulating a real shifter. You can shift a real synchromesh equipped car without using the clutch. The synchros will prevent engagement of the desired gear until the input shaft matches the desired gear. With the clutch engaged, this means you must wait on engine RPM to fall for upshifts, or rise for downshifts.

[@HoriaM29]

Yes, you finally made this video! I asked you a long, long time ago whether you noticed the problem with auto-clutch in pc2. Apparently the "shifting with no clutch" bullshit was done intentionally, and the only thing that auto clutch did is prevent your engine from stopping at low speeds. That was my biggest gripe with the game

[@slv_jonathanc15]

Have you tried older cars? Some of them won't let you shift without clutch, and normally newer cars would let you shift without clutch, even in real life, so what you are saying is not exactly at all and sometimes it has happened to me that the game gets bugged (PS4 Version)

[@HoriaM29]

@@slv_jonathanc15 Nope, literally any car will allow you to shift without using clutch, even those you should not be able to.

[@tr03adam]

maybe assetto passed the upshift test because automatic engine cutoff (cuts the gas off for upshifts) was turned on...

[@kurtovich100]

Hey viper nice video. How are you feeling about the csl pedalset in comparing with the t3pa after long use ?

[@elk_21]

You are always a master pilot in racing games

[@nickamarit]

Clutchless shifting is a technique that is used along with leftfoot brake in rally racing. Check out Team O'Neal Rally School's video. iRacing got it right if you ask me.

[@NexoShima]

Music giving me nostalgia from grand turismo 5

[@eduardoavila646]

Wooow the channel intro is the psp bootup sound? Awesome!

[@simonstenzel]

Super interesting video!!

[@RayznGames]

In the last test, project cars 2 you had no damage activated look at the right corner at the bottom of the vid, it you had damages ON it should be green, if not it appears blue-cloud, maybe that's why, you didn't break the gearing. hope you retry it cuz i actually dont remember if you can break it!! Retry pleaase! Love your vids! Keep it up!

[@stpbasss3773]

He Also has his shift time set to 50 which is super slow and then says that's the problem with the game lmao, the first thing I did was put my shift time at 5 some people run 0 so it shifts right away. Kinda bugged me because nobody even noticed it and people who haven't played the game will think shifting is really slow.

[@RayznGames]

@@stpbasss3773 Freakin true

[@dimensionsfly7494]

@@stpbasss3773 how can I change the shift time?

[@Jakkio]

On my car (peugeot 207, year 2008, basic model, so the definition of a "normal" car) there is something mechanical that avoids the shifting without clutch BUT only if your rpm are not adequate. You can go to neutral but not insert a gear. This will explain the iRacing slow upshifting case on test 4, there is no hardware that blocks you to inserting the gear so the game is waiting in neutral that the rpm is on a certain range and then insert the new gear when physically possible. The transmission damage on my car are only possible on "half states" like not inserting the gear completely but only halfway before releasing the clutch, or by pressing a bit the friction to unlock that safety hardware but not enough to not scratch. So for me iRacing should be considered passed.

[@piericroussel7479]

That's an interesting system, i'll see if my 306 has it, never heard that a manufacturer actually put this in place...

[@Jakkio]

@@piericroussel7479 I had a 306 station wagon before and it didn't have this system. Mine is also the only car i tried that have it, maybe it's pretty rare or limited of a specific year, i really don't know much about it. And personally i also hate it because it sometimes there is a "bug" that doesn't let you to go to neutral without pressing clutch with low rpm and low gears. I always fight with traffic so i need to press clutch every fucking meter just to go to neutral, it's really frustrating. Maybe it's just a bad habit of mine.

[@dekoldrick]

My 93 Honda Accord does the same thing. If the RPM's don't match and you try to shift without the clutch, it locks out that gear until the RPM's match close enough to the transmission speed. It will grind a bit if not done perfectly. Had to shift without the clutch to get home when my slave cylinder went out.

[@Geffect94]

My MG the same

[@ggooaa100]

The old Suzuki Swift I'm learning on has even a mechanism where Im pressing the clutch to shift back from 2nd to 1st and if you are going "too fast" it will not allow you to put it in gear only just when you are slow enough..

[@carlgustav7794]

Test number 2 with the one that half passed makes good sense. When you downshiftet you didn't redline into 2 but on a little into 1

[@DreamOf944]

14:40 iRacing: if you keep the shifter in gear, iRacing simulates you pushing the shifter the entire time. when the RPM sink and reach a level where the synchros can grab the gears, it will slide into gear. It will also do this with sequential gear boxes if you hold your sequential shifter or shift paddle in the position. For example if you forget to shift into 1st before the start, in the Skip Barber, and you rev the engine and then pull the shift paddle, you will hear a grinding noise. Hold the paddle down while the RPM drop and you will hear the pitch of the grinding tone down. When you are only a little bit over the idle RPM the gearbox will suddenly slip into the gear and the car slightly launches forward. That is, in my eyes, a very cool implementation.

[@genshinpostingch]

How about the biting point

[@majinpacks]

I think since the cars usually just dont react to having it in gear and releasing the clutch there is no biting point as well as in the cars that die they only feel that the clutch is either in or out not so much where its grabbing

[@mistakendawg8885]

There are biting points that can be set by adjusting the clutch sensitivity for pc2

[@leonardorugai]

0:20 THAT SONG ❤

[@azrenalmanza9748]

Do you happen to know what that song is?

[@jackhill2168]

Leonardo Rugai I last heard this in gran turismo 5 if I’m right

[@Sekine6294]

This is what I've been searching for all my life.

[@luisdlc21]

Allsome review thanks for your time

[@tecnoarg1]

I think that PC2 should correct that thing about the automatic clutch, its just a quick thing to fix. I'm from Argentina, do you think that i would be able to join the next Car Roulette on PC2?

[@GamerGius]

Jugas en pc o en ps4?

[@tecnoarg1]

@@GamerGius PC

[@chalovak]

I thought they fixed it in the recent update. I can’t change gears without the clutch now, though before the update I didn’t even bother to use it, because I knew it wasn’t working.

[@HandlesSuck123]

@@chalovak Oddly enough, some cars allow you and some cars though. Usually the more vintage cars don't let you shift without the clutch

[@slv_jonathanc15]

@@HandlesSuck123 that's because now recent cars have new engineering that allows you to change gear without clutch if needed

[@slv_jonathanc15]

Clutch club for the win

[@randomautist1593]

uhh what

[@CL4SSiCS]

Yes finally I've been waiting for this video!!

[@Eitan258]

Thank you for the video!

[@samk7738]

lots of mistakes by you viper. 1. you can release the clutch, slowly, and the vehicle will simply take off, if it is a flat road, the idling engine should make it move off... 2. you can quite easily shift gears without using the clutch. remember, these are RACING games... RACING cars will have a dogbox (use google) you will only need to lift off slightly to change gears. with a throttle cut, you don't even need to lift off... look at something like the v8 supercars foot cam... they shift without using the clutch 3. you can downshift easily with any synchromesh transmission without using the clutch, it requires you to jab the accelerator to match the revs of the engine and the gearbox, and it will simply just go in.

[@gijs.22]

Sam K it doesn’t even have to be flat i have done loads of uphill starts while only using the clutch in an 80hp car

[@WildStyle]

In AC while downshifting you can shake the car down a gear without clutch. :D If you fail to downshift it with rev matching, jab the brake, I found it very amusing for some reason. :D

[@DDS029]

Look up Jericho Transmissions, or T-101 from G-Force Racing Transmissions.

[@RicardoPestana]

1. It depends of the car/engine. It's more common with diesel engines because of the low rpm torque

[@matrixrodimus6685]

Umm. Doesnt project cars 2 have 3 settings for the clutch. Off, manual and manual + clutch. Im pretty sure you were only using the manual setting which means you have to switch gears but the clutch is not needed

[@dylancotton2061]

Yeah. And he has damage off so the game wouldn't be able to react realistically anyway

[@stpbasss3773]

Also there is an option to adjust how quick it shifts and he complained about how slow it shifts lmao what a genuis

[@patrykmiklas7257]

Question to just clarify, so if I am driving irl and I don't do the heel and toe technique under braking my rear wheels will lock up?

[@calebheady3635]

on iracing the settings you can change to make everything more realistic. i have it set to where i have to turn the car on, press the clutch, put it into gear VIA h-pattern. then let out correctly, if i stall, i have to repeat the whole process over

[@sebverhoef395]

In PC2 if i upshift without clutch the engine will go very slow in gear and with a lot of Revs. Also you get a little engine damage. Sorry for english..

[@hoen2009]

Yeah if you look at the bottom right you see that he had all damage turned off..............

[@aitorror3659]

Geez... Get some actual knowledge about cars. If you stall the engine you are not flooding it with fuel, you just overcome the engine torque at low rpm to bring it to a halt, and when an engine comes down to a halt it will not start up on its own. You can start a car up without a clutch if your starter is powerfull enough. Also sometimes the engine doesn't have enough inertia to lock the wheels up when downshifting, so yet another useless test which doesn't proove anything. Shhifting without releasing the gas pedal is in fact ppossible and sometimes used in drag racing so your tests are yet invalid once more. You just have to do it quick enough and in a car with syncromesh trans (nearly every modern road car has one). Shifting without a clutch? Easy, done hat many times even with 20 tons on my hitch and going uphill, little rev matching ans you can do it without any issues. You should have tested BeamNG.drive, as that game has everything you need in a racing game as far as clutch simulation goes

[@viperconcept]

"You can start a car up without a clutch if your starter is powerfull enough" Yeah, that's best way to break your starter if you keep doing that. Then you talk sh*t about my knowledge... "Shifting without releasing the gas pedal is in fact possible" never said it was impossible. Tell me on the video where I told it was impossible in real life. Are you making up excuses just to criticize me? Or simply didn't you pay attention on what you read? "done hat many times even with 20 tons on my hitch and going uphill, little rev matching ans you can do it without any issues" Doing it with a truck is 1 thing. Doing it with a car while racing is a whole different thing. Once again, I never said in real life was impossible.

[@aitorror3659]

@@viperconcept noone said that you shouldn't be able to damage the starter by starting without the clutch. Your tests weren't really scientific at all, since you didn't provide an example of doing the exact same thing IRL

[@viperconcept]

Ai Torror if you use the starter multiple times to start moving your car without clutch, yes you damage it. Even my mechanic told me. That makes me doubt about your knowledge. About doing the tests IRL I can't use my car like a lab rat since I need it and I don't have the money to repair it in case of damages. Why don't use your car IRL to use the starter to move the car without clutch? If you're sure that won't cause damage to the starter, do it for about 1 or 2 weeks, or forever if you want. Do it for science. You're so sure about yourself after all, aren't you?

[@newklear2012]

But it is fucking possible or not ? You said in your fucking video that it shouldn't move ! Now your going by mechanics recommendations lool wtf, if we going by that way we shouldn't even fucking RACE !

[@PacoRobbins]

Most cars can be tuned for flat foot shifting now, be it through N2MB WOT Box or through a tuning handheld. I use my Accessport on my Speed3 and I've got several friends that use a WOT Box.

[@TheSkyline35]

Good job with this test !

[@avsti]

Nice video! Although I think it fell apart a bit once you were testing shifting w/o a clutch - you can definitely shift without a clutch in real life (just check out one of the many vids on this) so all of these games allowing it is ok, to some degree. The real question is whether the games implemented synchro wear and gear-grinding correctly (when you don't match revs correctly). I like Assetto Corsa's implementation of this quite well.

[@mdenoni]

Test automobilista game

[@chrissss696]

You should make some videos about BeamNG.drive, maybe compare it with full sims or simply complete some scenario By the way, in iRacing if you don't use the clutch the game selects the gear when the engine speed matches the transmission speed (rev matching, you can do it on every car)

[@alshabil7946]

I BET THIS IS THE ONLY VIDEO ON KZbin THANKS SO MUCH MR.____

[@dougalm]

As well as the problems that other people have stated. Some cars, mostly diesel can move off from a standstill by just releasing the clutch slowly without using the accelerator at all

[@MCmat_TV]

Buongiorno

[@dennisg.2411]

Theres alot of parts in this video where your logic is only half correct about real life scenario

[@chandochispas1094]

At the moment I don't have the space nor the money to buy a steering wheel, so I play all my racing and simracing games with keyboard and mouse. If there's an option, I'll always use the clutch in my keyboard. It's tricky because it's or 0 or 1, so most of the times I can't launch my car properly :P. This video is very relevant for me because of this, and it's the first I've seen digging into this aspect, so great job and thank you!

[@november2435]

omg a psp intro. That alone makes me highly interested in your content. I will watch your career with great interest!

[@sindrehansen958]

The last test for pc2 is wrong.. do IT with A car that dosent have auto clutch installed

[@viperconcept]

I tried it with that Civic, the Corvette Z06 and the EVO X. Still the same :-/

[@sindrehansen958]

@@viperconcept but i think its different with example the ferrari gto in the beginning of the vid

[@piericroussel7479]

@@sindrehansen958 the cars he listed never had auto-clutch.

[@RagnosUTzone]

@@viperconcept Try it again with damage enabled. Once I even managed to kill a sequential transmission, it should be possible with a h-shifter...

[@hoen2009]

@@RagnosUTzone Pretty much this, you had all damage of.

[@Nava4Gamingz]

Maybe in someone's Mind *"For God Sake, it just A GAME!!"*

[@politicscigarettes8420]

But the point of a simulation is to resemble the real world as much as possible

[@Elkhose]

You are in a simulation and your life is just a game... so a game within a game may well be the real thing, you know double negation

[@lifterb6291]

yeah lmao I would just go drive my little shitbox because it's manual transmission

[@heatxtm]

didn't you read that he wrote "maybe in someone's mind" ???

[@ArshadChengadu]

@@professorfrog7181 Yeah he was joking...

[@lucienpetersen9010]

Very well made video.

[@skeltron1836]

Very good and entertaining video

[@Leowiseone]

Wow I can't believe it.. I have Forza Motorsport 3 Motorsport not horizon! It came out 2009! When you shift without clutch you can totally hear the gear grinding and you have 4% damaged transmission = slower shifting if you don't go to pit for fixing it I hope the game developers realize that mistake and make it at least a little realistic in a full sim game....

[@NinjaPl33z]

1:27 ehhhh not exactly, you just literally stop the engine. it has nothing to do with fuel.

[@Jordanodk0411]

I love your new balance shoes what kind are they if you don't mind me asking?!?

[@losingmyfavoritegame8752]

Awesome video! That 30fps of the console distracted me every time you got to GT Sport, haha! I really enjoyed this video.

[@viperconcept]

Actually GT Sport runs at 60fps, but my ps4 recorder hardware can handle just 30fps lol

[@brodeur212]

Some cars can shift up even without clutch

[@Tazzman835]

brodeur212 Most cars can shift both up and down without clutch. You just have to match the rpm with the gear you want to shift to, then it’s no problem to shift without a clutch, also in a standard manual transmission car.

[@treerexaudi]

some

[@piericroussel7479]

Every single manual transmission car can, in fact it was the norm before. You just have to do it properly. You can even start without the clutch, but it's even harder than rev-matching.

[@sergioh2015]

@@piericroussel7479 once my clutch fluid went out had to start it so many times at each intersection but eventually made it home!

[@frederictrm566]

He should've included BeamNG drive, it's a very realistic car game.

[@playfast321]

i have never seen the transmission damage on AC (although i use clutch and paddles since i dont have a h shifter yet) is there a setting for it or is it just because i use the pedals?

[@CharliesMaidenCovers]

in every car with manual gearbox, it actually works to upshift without using clutch, but you have to release gas and then push the next gear and wait for revs to synchronize

[@jordaninterceptor2060]

Subtítulos en español please 🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@slv_jonathanc15]

Sería de gran ayuda para muchas más personas!

[@TheJohnlyh]

*Assetto corsa > All*

[@supernova2504]

5:50 I think this also happens in Forza Motorsport 7. I downshifted while cornering and I spun out. I managed to do it with a controller, so it should work with a wheel setup.

[@danieljimenez1989]

Back when I had my old VW Sedan (the bug), my clutch wire broke off and I had to drive clutchless to get to the mechanic. I found out it is possible to start the engine in gear, I think it was even in second?, so long as there's enough battery to push through the initial rumble.

[@TriposMotovlog]

When you press the start button the car should immediately move, and probably you can also turn it on if accelerate

[@Chris-ol2rq]

What if you hold down the clutch and press throttle while being in gear? Does it act like a real car and disconnects engine from drivetrain?

[@chiragjeram]

superb video.....nice

[@ZztufNow]

I have a major problem in Project Cars 2. Your movie helped me to identify the problem, but I don't know how to solve it. I always use automatic shifting in the game. (I'm not good enough to use manual shifting) But when it downshift in corners, I spin. What to do ?

[@s1nenomine]

Actually, for the 4th test, iRacing and Assetto both allow upshifts without clutch only if you don't press the throttle while in neutral. And in a particular case in iRacing, the Skip Barber doesn't have the auto cut-off when upshifting, despite having a sequential gearbox. You have to do it yourself, or use the clutch. And IRL, it's possible to upshift without the clutch, but it needs a perfect synchronization between gearbox, throttle and RPM. So it's necessary to drive the car (or bike, it works too) for a long time.

[@s1nenomine]

So, back again, after a training session with the Lotus 49 on iRacing, and after trying to up and downshift fastly without my clutch (and any assist ofc), I successed at every gear change. it's just, as AC a timing issue.

[@Just-A-Gamer.]

Hey viper when I play gt sport with my g29 and shifter I get transmission damage. You probably didn't turn it on in your room settings. And I get a bad sound when trying to. When I try to shift without clutch

[@danvird8649]

What pedals wheel and shifter are u using. Those looks nice

[@SizzlingStu]

What about a test slipping the clutch and pulling away in 2nd/3rd/4th gear? The current tests treat the clutch like a digital switch but what its real analogue aspect?