Radagon's Secret Sorcery | Elden Ring Lore & Theory

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[@AHumanJusticar]

Thank you everyone for being kind and respectful in the comments! This was a topic picked by all of you in my Community Post Poll, I hope you enjoyed it!

[@theiberianbadger0123]

I wonder if developers and writers from fromsoftware ever watch these lore videos and ask themselves, “oh shoot, is that what I was implying? That’s a damn good theory.”

[@AHumanJusticar]

😆

[@theiberianbadger0123]

Going through this video a second time, the implications of the thorns being connected to radagon really makes sense. And looking back at the fire giants, specifically the frozen corpses that are impaled, it’s possible that this type of briar magic was used against the fire giants to gouge the eye of the fell god present within the giants. And it makes sense why their bodies would freeze afterwards, after having the influence of their god literally gouged from their bodies, made them ripe for the picking for the knights of zamor.

[@crowstakingoff]

On a related note, I think this is why we find one of the guilty on top of the giant skull by the church of repose. After watching this video, I realized its placement is probably meant to parallel the thorns growing over the Giants. The ash of war you pick up from this corpse is Troll's Roar, which has an icon showing a troll's back. I think this could be alluding to how the thorns are impaling the Giants and sticking out their backs.

[@Jaden-Ring]

My assumption was that he learned sorcery in general and incorporated aspects of sorcerer philosophy into his new incantations as elden lord but I also fealt like the thorns were a hint that radagon sealed the erdtree with thorn sorcery. I also used to think the spear piercing marika was the elden beast possibly using a fragment of destined death but it being a thorn of radagon makes more sense aside from thorns connection to the blood star. I'm looking forward to learning more about the culture(s) from the mountain tops if the dlc is set in the afterlife realm we hear about on items from there. I think it could set some light on death, Ghostflame, and thorns among other things. Great video

[@AHumanJusticar]

I really hope we get more in the DLC. Apparently we still have a year to wait! Thanks for watching! 😀

[@Nihil847]

I think you’re on to something with this. Side note: With regards to the symbol on the wooden shield, it actually reminded me of the divine towers as well

[@AHumanJusticar]

Oh yeah, the 8 surrounding orbs at the top is DEFINITELY connected somehow. Off to do more research! 😅

[@agopessimist1335]

While the idea that Radagon did earn thorn sorcery is an interesting and possibly plausible idea, there are some issues with it that I have. While it is true that the Abberant sorceries we have in the game currently do scale with Faith, they rely on faith in the Blood star, and are sorceries discovered by exiled criminals. It doesn't quite match up with Radagon's motivations. Furthermore, to my knowledge Radagon doesn't exactly bleed when we damage him in his boss fight, and he doesn't seem to be affected by Bleed, so that makes it hard for him to use any blood sorceries. It may be possible that we're looking at this the wrong way. Radagon's motivation, as described by his icon, was to be complete. Maybe he studied sorcery in order to combine the two: Faith and Intelligence. After all, Law of Regression, which can be learned from the Golden Order Principia, requires intelligence only. And Law of Regression speaks about how all things yearn to converge. Not to mention that we learn Radagon's Rings of Light from that prayerbook. Radagon may have aspired to be complete by understanding and incorporating both sorcery and incantations into the Golden Order. I'm not entirely sure if Radagon's motivations to wed Rennala were entirely malign. After all, Rykard and Radahn didn't seem to show any disdain for him after he left her for Marika, and even Radahn aspires to be like him. Also, the Golden Order has a history of incorporating enemies into allies. Dragons breached Leyndell, and yet they and the lightning they use were now considered part of the Golden Order, and the Greater Will showed no disdain for Radagon marrying Rennala. Not to mention how Godfrey took Serosh as an ally and regent after his defeat. And if we take the cut content of the Misbegotten being labeled as 'Children of Radagon' as canon, then it seems surprising how Radagon was allowed to create these beings and let them be titled as such, and even hold his Golden Order Greatsword (which he received from Rennala and smithed into its current form), even though Misbegotten and those connected to the Crucible were considered heretical by the Golden Order. Here's hoping the DLC shows us some more sorceries and incantations. Still, this was an awesome video!

[@AHumanJusticar]

Absolutely! The biggest wrench in thorn sorceries being Radagon's secret would be the Blood Star. But as you mentioned, there are things the Golden Order allows and things it doesn't, i.e, the worship of Dragons through the Ancient Dragon Cult vs. the worship of the Rot god or any other outer god. We don't know for sure whether the Blood Star is an outer god. The only blood related outer god we can confirm is really an outer god is the Formless Mother. So who knows! I did notice that about the Law of Regression as well. I also looked a bit into the idea of Wisdom of stone which I might end up talking about in another video further down the line. Either way, he learned something and for some reason he didn't want others to know about it.(Mask of Confidence) Thanks for watching my video :)

[@Photoloss]

@@AHumanJusticar I think you're also missing a much simpler counterpoint: the denizens of the mountaintops, both living and slaughtered. The Fire Monks have a sizeable entourage of Thorn practitioners who are, at least indirectly, already in service to Marika and the Golden Order. These would be a much more convenient study group than the Carians who don't even seem to use any such sorceries from what we see. Secondly even if we assume that those sinners only joined up during Radagon's reign the dead Fire Giants definitely did not. They were genocided at the _start_ of _Godfrey's_ reign and their bodies are impaled on large thorny spears which not only resemble the sorceries but also appear in later Fire Monk camps. Thus we must conclude that _someone,_ most likely Marika herself out of the characters we know of, already had abundant access to thorn magic long before Radagon first met Rennala. Other than the intellectual study of metaphysics (int scaling on Fundamentalist incantations) one thing which clearly overlaps between (Raya Lu)Caria and Radagon is the use of lattice patterns as seals. I guess there's the possibility Radagon already had his signature lattice and taught the Academy how to use it as a barrier, but I think the version Last Protagonist proposed in one of his recent streams is much more likely: the Erdtree was dying of old age, plucking out Destined Death wouldn't truly fix it on its own, so Marika sent Radagon to study all those heretical death cheaters such as Primal Glintstones, halting fate etc. or to just hoover up new ideas in general. His lattice rune finally functional and "complete" he personally created the Golden Order as we know it, never actually casting a Sorcery to any meaningful effect but using his studies to reshape the very foundations of the Lands Between regardless. Also I wouldn't really say Radagon uses incantations. Rather, he uses the _actual_ metaphysical power of the Golden Order itself, the incantations imitate that power and appearance because they are derived from faith in Radagon and in the Golden Order. Curiously his triple slam attack ends with _FIVE_ prongs (i.e. Beast or whole hand) rather than just two (fingers), but that could just be for gameplay (in)convenience: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWWbpXiMopmNbKs

[@crowstakingoff]

@agopessimist1335 I had noticed that the Golden Order principia incantations were also exceptions like the thorn sorceries, but hadn't thought to pair them, or that this might be intentional. There are also two golden order principia incantations, like the two thorn sorceries.

[@crowstakingoff]

I'd previously theorized that Marika could have committed seppuku using the spear. I've heard a lot of people share the idea that Marika may have tried to kill herself, and I wonder if this is part of what they're referring to. It's interesting to note that Seppuku and the thorn sorceries have very similar animations. Maybe Marika used seppuku, while Radagon cast the thorn sorcery? I'm not sure because as some others here have said, Radagon doesn't appear to bleed regular blood, he "bleeds" gold. Then again the thorns aren't blood-red like those of the thorn sorceries either, and instead have a golden rune on them.

[@AHumanJusticar]

It’s entirely possible! I do like the idea of Marika attempting suicide though, it leans into the idea of her “duty to the gods” being a “gnawing curse” as her Soreseal states!

[@dqdinh9426]

Radagon specifically uses only holy incantations (that are not obtainable or mentioned) in his boss battle, could this mean the elden beast was already in full control of his body and Radagon is no longer there?

[@headecas]

He uses a golden version of carian retaliation, which he prolly learn from his first wife

[@dqdinh9426]

@@headecas Radagon uses spells with little to zero animation downtime which none of the incantations/spells users in the game is able to achieve, including the MC. Plus he has the highest amount of attacks that allow him to hover in the air.

[@yunkinto]

@@dqdinh9426i feel like marika/radagon‘s body is frozen in time as punishment for the shattering, which is why they’re made of stone when we see them. That way they’re just a hull with no consciousness that gets controlled by the elden beast (also radagons movement in his boss fight to me looks like he is being moved around by an invisible force, rather than moving on his own, like a marionette)

[@garrulousgoldmask]

That's a really compelling theory! It makes a lot of sense for why the Erdtree is sealed off with impenetrable thorns, and I like how it provides an alternative/additional explanation for the Mask of Confidence. The one potential flaw I see with the theory is that Radagon is immune to Bleed, which could make it difficult to cast that type of blood magic. But there could be an explanation for that: When Gideon's armor says he glimpsed into Marika's will, the Japanese text actually says he was looking into her dying wish. So maybe all the Thorn Sorceries Radagon cast to seal off the Erdtree caused a tremendous amount of blood loss?

[@AHumanJusticar]

I’ve been curious about this very thing! Something I want to explore more. Were Queen Marika/Radagon always stone-like or did they become that way? And why? And if they were always, how did they have flesh children?

[@The808basshead]

Uh-oh now I have to research the origin of petrification curses @@AHumanJusticar

[@A_Bad_Redman1]

Interesting. I always assumed he just learned general sorcery for the sake of learning and not necessarily to use them but this is an interesting way at looking at things :O Imagine in the DLC we find "Radagon's Briar of Sins" sorcery or something like that. Great video :D And I look foward to hearing your thoughts on the Blood Star as it is one of the things I am most fascinated about in Elden Ring's lore due to how little we know about it :)

[@zack_feldman]

Excited to get to watch the whole thing! Glad to see more of your work popping up!

[@sashadiaz9716]

Another great video! I love your speculation on the ER lore.

[@AHumanJusticar]

Glad you enjoy it! Thanks for watching!!

[@ryantate1200]

I just found your channel today and I’m already loving your content. I love From Software lore and your voice is satisfying to listen to. I hope you become as popular as Vaatividya!

[@AHumanJusticar]

Thank you so much and welcome! Make sure to look out for posts/polls on my community tab too 😁 new video ideas usually float around there.

[@ryantate1200]

@@AHumanJusticar will do! I can’t wait to see you cover the DLC content in the future

[@nickmurray2390]

I think grafting is a much bigger part of this world than we give it credit for, and it is likely a subtle deception showing us so little. A god could likely graft entire concepts, that is why we see all kinds of magic with a myriad of elements that are also separate. A katana just having some lightning ice magic for some reason, multiple kinds of lighting and variants on the same spell.

[@eiriemoreraromani4191]

i tied together radagon and thorn sorceries but not with the obvious self-sacrifice he might have made to close the erdtree ^^ thank you it is very interesting

[@The808basshead]

Another great vid! I like how can continue to pull fresh insights from the game. You really got me thinking about them thorns. I had previously been fascinated by Radagon's clear association with vines. His scarseal and the symbol behind his statues are clearly lattices, and vines can also be seen as the base of said statues and in his icon. The cherry on top are the sheer number of vines growing in Leyndell, not just those blocking the path to the erdtree, but many also make up the path up to the chamber. So what's the deal? Why don't these vines have thorns? I've been obsessed any evidence that supports the theme of 'history being written by the victors'. I wonder if these thornless vines of Radagon reference a more refined Radagon, but also a Radagon with a literally refined image. It's why his icon has the flower IMO. He and the golden order are literally creating propoganda. How we was able to summon the giant thornless vines leading up to the erdtree I have no idea, but now I need a good think on the connection to thorns. Part of me wonders if the thorns are an aspect of an earlier or more brutal Radagon. I don't know why, but I feel like this is also connected to his red hair (specifically the curse). Okay last piece to add, this one metaphorical. Vines are just so PERFECT for Radagon the cuckoo. Considered by many to be literally invasive, they also have another key element, they require a preexisting structure to thrive. This puts them in stark contrast to a tree, a plant so well structured, it can literally become the home of billions of creatures. Now time to consider the poetic nature of thorns and overlap with vines.

[@shogomakishima7224]

Good video. You make a very convincing case. However perhaps in this case Radagon wanted to silence the preceptors because he was hiding his double identity and/or how Rani, Raykard and Radahn were born? Perhaps he just studied the glintstone sorcery in order to develop fundamentalist incantations? As such he didn’t develop any sorceries by himself but it helped him to develop the fundamentalist incantations? However it is hard not to notice that the giants in the north were killed by those huge thorny spears so somehow the briars of sin are connected to the Eardtree. It is interesting that they also seem to be missing the arms especially because of the high density of the finger creepers in the area. The finger creepers found at Mt. Gelmir and Caria Manor look like they came from Raykard (look very similar to how his hands look in the boss fight with all of those rings so perhaps he is regrowing them like a lizard?)

[@egoborder3203]

dang! the segment where Sellen speaks is muted. Not a big deal because we have the subtitles, but just letting you know Also idk if this is related but playing yesterday I happened to notice the Dragonkin drop a sorcery of ice lightning I can't imagine which sorcery Radagon learned, but knowing him it may well be something we have yet to see or something that appears only by implication Great video as always!!

[@Astuo]

Really interesting and thoughtful analysis. Thanks.

[@AHumanJusticar]

Glad you liked it! 😁 thanks for watching.

[@TeaPlant7]

If we're limiting ourselves to one type, though we don't have anything specific to link it to Radagon I actually think death could make sense. Both ancient death rancor and rancorcall are described as both 1. ancient and 2. connected to the deathbirds, implying they would have been older than Radagon. Since Fundamentalism has a bunch of spells for hunting TWLiD, maybe he tried to reverse engineer death sorceries. And it's more a cosmetic similarity, but Fundamentalist incantations and Death sorceries both scale with faith and intelligence. Only issue is Fundamentalism is after he returned to Marika, but it's possible he had interest in death prior since the Golden Order was founded upon sealing death. If we wanted to get really out there with this assumption, then maybe part of the reason the Mask of Confidence is found at the Carian Study Hall, which also leads to Ranni's corpse, is because Ranni either studied with her father or used his research and that was part of what led to her knowledge of how to perform the ritual for the NoBK. Obviously that's all basically fanfic, but it's fun to speculate about.

[@dirmusloner7963]

The more I follow your videos the more leaning to the fact that Radagon has more than 1 secret or skeletons tk hide in his closet

[@cpegalaxy]

Really well crafted and presented theory! Another connection I wanted to add is that, the exile soldiers from stormveil also have barbs growing out of their bodies and equipment. The castle itself also has thorns all over the place coming out. People say this is due to deathroot, however it looks way more like radagon's stuff because the deathblight animation shows a single branch with fly wings rather than thorns

[@AHumanJusticar]

I’ve got A LOT of saved footage of the Stormveil Castle for this very reason!! New video maybe? 🤔

[@goldenbough6563]

Really liked the investigative format. Very effective. Great subject too and one I haven’t really considered. Of the different branches of sorcery mentioned, Carian and Aberrant seem the most likely candidates. Radagon certainly knows some kind of aberrant sorcery but where he learned it is a very open question which draws in the issue of his origin and longevity. Carian sorcery might be a better option. His magical education took place in the Carian Study Hall and many of the GOF incantations have circular effects which fit aesthetically with a lunar magic. However, the Carian sorceries are mostly combat-orientated spells designed for use by knights and it’s hard to see any resonance between them and GOF incantations. My best guess is a fudge. I think Radagon was secretly developing his golden order fundamentalism in the study hall while simultaneously learning about a broad range of sorcery types. He had a plan. Godfrey’s replacement by Radagon is one of the most important events in the history of the lands between, but what little is said about it seems strangely undramatic. Like it was no big deal. Did the erd tree burn for the new lord? Is Radagon’s tree of gold unique to his reign as elden lord?

[@Nemo12417]

Golden Order incantations, which Radagon was a creator of, use intelligence as well as faith. It's possible that Radagon never cast sorcery, but merely studied it and incorporated that knowledge into what would become Golden Order fundamentalism. Also, the warp magic that guards Raya Lucaria has a criss cross pattern. Radagon's trellis seal might be inspired by that.

[@bbluva20]

Just to clarify, incantations and *sorcereries* both fall under the category of "spells". It's a little confusing because of the gameplay different of Faith and Intelligence. All are Spells, but things you cast with a staff are sorcerery.

[@Agueart]

Looking forward to the DLC elaborating on some of this if they do. Then you can do a what you got right and or wrong video. Win Win

[@Cheattoe]

Finally a new channel ! I hope you blow up like smoughtown did!

[@markperry4478]

This was big brain theory great job

[@c.a.m1387]

This is an interesting line of thought, but it has a few rough edges that stop me from really buying into it. 1- Radagon is one of if not the original Golden Order Fundamentalist, judging from the rings of light. These use Intelligence and Faith, and so doesn't really work if he studied primarily Faith magic. We know he later learned incantations from Marika, which is presumably what made him complete. 2- Radagon already has a secret, as we learn in Goldmask's quest. He was already a secretive person, and so I don't think that the preceptors had to keep his learning of sorcery secret as well. 3- The red wolves of Radagon never use thorn sorcery, only Carian and Glintstone. Since they're named after him I'd find this odd. 4- Finally, that red spear looks more like destined death than bloodthorns to me. If it's DD, it could explain why Marika is never conscious, as her soul may have died. If it's bloodthorns, why doesn't Radagon have it? He'd also be the only thorn sorceries user that doesn't have his eyes covered and possibly gouged out. All in all the topic is fascinating, but I feel like the theory creates more inconsistencies than it solves

[@AHumanJusticar]

Radagon is in fact missing his eyes! 👀Thanks for watching!! 😁

[@mattb6616]

​@@AHumanJusticarholy crap

[@jake_]

Another great video. Thank you.

[@dormghost]

Radagon wants to make things rightagain made me lol

[@swordierre9341]

Radagon is mysterious man, the fact that he doesn't use sorceries at all in the boss fight, or even fundamentalist spells, and just throws elden ring shards at you feels like a weird decision. He also fights like a lightning user, it makes me think we were originally supposed to fight godwyn at one point, but they turned it into a radagon fight. On radagon's sorceries, i always thought it would be interesting if he is associated with the Haima, the haima crown increases strength at the cost of FP, which to would make sense for radagon, who is traditionally a champion not a scholar. Theres also the fact that the haima seek to "quell conflict" and this conceptually ties to Radagon as he;s the one that ended the Lurinain war. Besides that, there really isn't much to go off.

[@AHumanJusticar]

I thought so too! A lot of people mention the Laws of Regression needing intelligence, but he doesn't use fundamentalist spells at all. We do know he was a fundamentalist but some things just don't line up. Great catch! I never made the comparison betwen his fighting style and lightning users. I've seen people speculate he is part dragon.....interesting! :D

[@swordierre9341]

​@@AHumanJusticar Honestly i wouldnt be suprised if a lot of these things were changed around during development. For example in the first teaser Radagon's hair looks blonde instead of red, he honestly looks more like more like godwyn lol. The statues ingame also depict radagon with gold hair, its just... idk, strange. Btw i like with your theory a lot. I especially like the red thorn shield being used as evidence, i also thought it looked like radagon's crosshatch, but couldn't really point it to anything. Cant wait to hear you elaborate more on your next video :]

[@headecas]

Maybe the reason the academy hates thorn sorceries is precisely because thats what radagon studied, the man who broke their champion

[@AHumanJusticar]

I like that idea!! 💡😁

[@luna7157]

I don't think Radagon has a connection to thorn sorcery as such, but I do think Marika already had the ability to wield the roots, branches, and thorns of the Erdtree as a physical weapon against the giants. Radagon likely commandeered this power from her, just like he did with her hammer, once they no longer agreed with each other on the plans laid out for them by the Greater Will. As for his seal, the cross-hatching found on (among other things) the thorn-barred entrance to the Erdtree and the prohibitive warp gates into Raya Lucaria, I believe those were built with his influence and direct input. Curiously, Radagon seems to use neither sorcery nor incantations in his fight with us, instead demonstrating golden abilities which no one else can use. Unlike Rennala, who mostly uses several recognizable spells the player can learn and cast along with a few unique sorceries which they cannot, Radagon's suite of golden attacks are totally unobtainable and bear no resemblance to the other Golden Order incantations. Even visually, most Golden Order incants are primarily white with a tinge of gold, whereas nearly every attack Radagon puts out is a deep gold bereft of white. It bears worth mentioning that Elden Stars, the most direct and emblematic incantation of the Greater Will's power, is counted internally as an Erdtree incantation (and buffed by the Erdtree seal accordingly).

[@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962]

Interestingly, the Shield of the Guilty in vers 1.00 states that the woman within the thorns is actually a goddess, perhaps linking the thorns with Marika also.

[@No_One_In_Particular]

You acknowledged preceptor Mirriam, but not Selivus. Radagon probably learned how to make puppets. But who did he wish to pupeteer?

[@shnobrin7928]

Few thoughts: I like the theory. It's a really interesting idea, and there are a lot of connections that can be made here. I think what is most interesting to me, is the mention of Radagons Elden Rune. Instead of just calling it a Great rune, the description calls it an "Elden" Rune. So far, however, not a lot is known about his rune, is there? Perhaps it relates to the act of sealing things? Such as, the erdtree, the mouths of the preceptors and the Zamor Champion in the evergaol. What I think was a bit strange to me in the video, was saying that there is no proof he studied sorceries, just because no sorceries mention him. I think one can study sorceries and never develop any of their own. And although the golden order incantations also do not mention him doing so, I think the scaling can be a good way to justify it. If I am wrong here, feel free to correct me of course. And this is more of a grammar addition, really, so nothing that changed the theory itself by any means. Other than that, I like the theory. Thorns are a very prevelant theme in Elden Ring. For example seen on the walls of Stormveil castle, around anything deathblighted or death related and so on. So drawing connections where they are possible like this is really nice.

[@michaeljohnston8891]

I actually think that the Nameless Eternal City was the one destroyed by Astel. It’s the only one of the Eternal Cities in a ruined state, and it is stated that Astel “took away their night sky”. Whether that refers to the city’s banishment underground, or the fact that it’s the only Eternal City without a false sky is unclear. The interesting implication is that if that’s the city that was once above ground, then it would’ve been part of Leyndell.

[@foster2095]

Before watching I already know where you're going with the thumbnail and I gotta say omg you're so right Edit after watching: same comment as before~ only thing to add is I'm pretty sure the red spear in Marika is The rune of Death not fully implemented into the elden ring

[@semi-useful5178]

Radagon probably learned all the sorceries that he could. After all was not search for completion one of chief motivations?

[@AHumanJusticar]

You are correct! It is possible he just studied intelligence but the way it's worded as sorcery makes it seem like he would have chosen a specific sorcery type.

[@semi-useful5178]

@@AHumanJusticar Perhaps time to consult the Japanese originals? The Localization team is pretty good but sometimes they do miss some things.

[@flyingfrogillustration]

This is so fascinating

[@lorisceleste1860]

Watch as the coming DLC will drop us some of these secret sorceries he learned and be nerfed as soon as it drops lol

[@AHumanJusticar]

I hope we get some more juicy Chadagon lore!

[@mralabbad7]

I think he just used the sorcery knowledge he accumulated to make the fundamental incantations that require equal amounts of faith and intelligence. While not having specific or special sorceries he's known for. At least none yet . . .dlc, perhaps?

[@supergastonh]

Fascinating

[@slenderman_proxy8741]

What if he discovered that he's Marika? that's when he got called back into the capital, "married" Marika, had cursed offspring and, in a personality fight, tried to fix the ER????

[@CrunchyVideos]

Fantastic video.

[@CrunchyVideos]

I think you're right on the money with this. In my video on the Crucible, I connected Radagon to thorns via the crucible and Eochaid, so it's interesting to see the connection made from a different angle-- that makes me more confident. I hadn't considered the bewitchment angle, but that clearly seems relevant. I'd also point out that the Sellian seal in front of Lusat is the same as the one in Raya Lucaria, Radagon's crosshatch rune. Also, Stormveil and the exile soldiers are covered in thorns, which seems like a variation of Deathblight, but may suggest a connection between thorn sorcery and the rune of death.

[@AHumanJusticar]

My thoughts exactly! I wanted to get into the Stormveil castle thorn connects but I didn’t want to overload and disjoint the video on a whole! I’ll probably end up talking about it very soon though. Glad you liked the video! 🙂

[@kreadapelu8813]

Barely a minute or so in and my thoughts point directly towards Sellia being mage assassin magic training place… which I think is part of the origin of the Black Knives… and maybe Radagon was also part of that training.

[@kreadapelu8813]

Aberrant… oh my. I have been thinking on a seamstress, grafting, needles, misbegotten… and those thorn sword things used to kill the giants and… yeah. Thank you for generating more thoughts

[@AHumanJusticar]

That sneaky seamstress topic WILL be in my next video! Thanks for watching 😄

[@kreadapelu8813]

@@AHumanJusticar if you wind up saying Radagon is for sure a champion of the crucible.. I want to think that he invented the idea of Marika or she invented the idea of him but too much says they were are definitely two actual people, the form may be less certain. For some reason I can’t shake a more direct familial bond between the ruling ladies.. and Radagon trying to see a break back together..

[@kreadapelu8813]

And that just reminded me.. who is Rennala trying to bring back to life? Those defective girls don’t have red hair but all her children that we know of do.

[@AHumanJusticar]

@@kreadapelu8813 This is something I discussed in my Missing Carian Princesses video. It's an interesting detail that all of the "children reborn" of Lady Rennala look more like her than Radagon..!

[@nooddles12]

i love radagon. he is the first and only true elven lord (pokeman master), not horah loux (warrior!!!)

[@torhenryandreassen6144]

Hi! :)

[@StarshipJais]

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[@EmpyreanVampires]

@17:40 Marika and Radagon are not at odds; they cannot be, they are each other. There is no reality in which Radagon could oppose Marika except by both of their intentions, perhaps by necessity? Have you considered what it means that Marika says "Thou'rt yet to become me; Thou'rt yet to become a God," just before saying "Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self"? Why does Shattering naturally follow Radagon's failure to become her? The implication therein is that Shattering them both would some how rectify that discrepancy between them, would make Radagon a God. Have you considered the similarities between Mending and Regression, between Shattering and Causality? What is the purpose of a Mending Rune, as stated unequivocally 3 times, in sacred fashion following the many trios present in this game? "Used to restore the fractured Elden Ring when brandished by the Elden Lord." So, in order for someone to change the order. . . And of course, we know they succeeded, though the game refers to the Elden Ring as Shattered, though we collect the Great Runes as "Shards," because it's there within them, glowing Golden for us to see, and when they fall, before it can reanimate them, we must conquer it ourselves, to claim it for our own -- The Elden Beast, the Elden Ring, for what else does it say when we have finally snapped their thread, bested the Elden Beast to claim for it ourselves, but a simple proclamation that Radagon is more than a mere champion, the unyielding proof that he lived and died, a God? "God Slain." Not the Elden Ring, not the Elden Beast, one and the same, active or inactive not truly alive though in one state it is living, unrestrained from its usual state of passivity, elevating its vessel to a status it cannot possess for a lack of its own free will, for even shattered it is not dead, even broken it can be mended; but not the Golden One, the Eternal whose life was ended, their halves joined in full and without any separation within the state which is their final remains, the Sacred Relic Sword. Does its aesthetics not remind you of something? I might also direct you to the Bolt of Gransax. . . But I fear, you have missed the truth of Radagon's secret sorcery, the missing link you were so close to realizing, for have you not wondered at the origin of Radagon's Rune, have you not perhaps compared it to say. . . The Gates of Raya Lucaria? If only you had remembered the Gelmir staff, topped with Red Glintstone, carrying its declaration of intellectual heresy, that faith-based catalysts are scorned upon the grounds of Raya Lucaria, and the secret history of the Lazuli conspectus, the origin of the "Carian Heterodoxy," of a broken trip reduced to 2, The Moon, Stars, and . . . . . . There are secrets you have yet to uncover; Radagon's origins are knowable. As a woman, this should be especially pertinent to you: How could it be that Godwyn, Marika's firstborn son, was unwanted? Only Godwyn is called the Soulless Demigod, first of those who live in Death, meaning that the first occupant of the Tombsward Walking Mausoleum was Godwyn himself. Look to the Beast Symbolism, look to the Axes of Godrick and Godfrey, ask yourself how Godfrey violated his vows, and come to know the true history of Godfrey's exile, of the origins of the Tarnished, of the reason for the vilification of the Omen, and the Omen Twin's eternal imprisonment.

[@BWill985]

Sorry, but Godwyn the Golden is not one of Radagon's kids. He's the first-born son of Marika and ThE First Elden Chad, Godfrey. I always understood his surname to be a play on the "Golden Child" not Golden like Radagon's "Golden Order." All of this is to say that Marika and Radagon do not have 8 confirmed children

[@AHumanJusticar]

You misunderstood what I said. Radagon and Marika have 8 confirmed children, not 8 confirmed children with each other. Radahn, Rykard, and Ranni are all Radagon’s children with Renalla. Godwyn and the Omen Twins are Marika’s sons with Godfrey. The cursed twins, Malenia and Miquella are the only children Radagon and Queen Marika produced together. Hope this helps! 👍🏼