Radeon RX 7800 XT vs. GeForce RTX 4070, 45 Game Benchmark @ 1080p, 1440p & 4K

[@Totto70770]

Glad you mentioned prices outside the US. Prices in Europe make no sense either. Good AIB models for both cost the same: ~575-600 Euros. Almost seems like the 7800 XT is being intentionally overpriced by the sellers since it is expected to sell well.

[@yentlvantendeloo2930]

where do you live in europe? Localy I see atleast a 60 euro difference in the amd cards favor.

[@zacthegamer6145]

In Australia, both 7900 XTX and RTX 4080 cost almost the same.

[@AR-ey1ur]

I'm from Europe and nobody is buying AMD GPUs here. You can see this clearly by the number of reviews left, among other things. Stocks are low and most AIB options simply aren't available at all. AMD CPUs also aren't popular (as compared to Intel), but notably more popular.

[@TheRelixo1]

Come here to my stupid country (Hungary) where still 780 EUR the cheapest 6900XT and 650 EUR for 6800XT .... The 7800XT will be easily cost here to 720 EUR

[@adolfodias83]

Don't forget in Europe you have to account with taxes so the start price point will be the more or less the price you mentioned

[@DDX1944]

Only Hardware Unboxed would say "15 games" is too small a sample, like bro u guys are amazing

[@ChrisMisMYhandle]

Like bro

[@xKamiiii]

it is too small

[@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure]

@@xKamiiii nice try. Maybe make a better fake account next time, Hardware Unboxed

[@xKamiiii]

@@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure ?

[@junyaiwase]

@@xKamiiiishes joking that you are HU making an alt account because most people think 15 games is a well enough sample size

[@TheStateOfEarth]

I think the extra vram could be the deciding factor for longevity. Way back in the day I got the rx480 with 8gb of vram and that ended up being the far better choice than the 4gb version since I used the card for more than 6 years.

[@Humanaut.]

Same. I am actually still using my 480.

[@suramabhopali7921]

I still use rx 580

[@chilldude30]

True, although I still feel 12gb is fine for 1440p gaming for a long time. 8gb is a problem though of course.

[@tumultoustortellini]

Afaik, you can use ram as vram if you find a way to set it up. That could pass the vram issue easy. Especially with how cheap ram kits are, I don't think this problem will be too influential, if you've already got more than 8.

[@xfy123]

​@@tumultoustortelliniYou can use it but that is only an option with modded dx DLLs on most games, and you will still get textures failing to load if you start using the ram or taking a very long time to load in. Ram speeds aren't nearly even close to the vram speed and then you have to hope the drivers know how to handle that.

[@goldenpanda7004]

I'm personally getting a 7800XT, I work for a PC build/repair shop and all my co-workers have NVIDIA GPUs. It'll be interesting to have direct experience with Radeon cards to be able to more confidently suggest them

[@bryanyokofich5021]

As someone who owns both I can say that I like Radeon a bit more. The software alone is is much better than nvidias IMO

[@nullravager]

That's actually a smart move

[@officialteaincorporated243]

​@@bryanyokofich5021It certainly has more features but that doesn't make it better. Despite amd software being much improved over the years, it still isn't quite there in stability and nvidias is much less prone to issues. Especially at the launch of cards (like the power issues with the 7900xt/xtx

[@bryanyokofich5021]

@@officialteaincorporated243 I agree with you but user experience varies. Nvidia drivers have been good to me but so have AMDs. I’ve never had a problem with driver issues with either card. Just my 2 cents.

[@bryanyokofich5021]

@@Navi_xoo I’ve never had any issues with Adrenaline but you are right I was talking in reference to Adrenaline Vs GeForce experience I should have probably clarified. I will agree that DLSS is better than FSR but some people in the space don’t care about either. They would rather just have a clean native image rather than rely on any upscaling tech. Same thing for RT many people don’t seem to care at all about it because no matter if it’s GeForce or Radeon card is going to have massive performance hits. Just trying to make a point that there is a market for these GPUs and while there are downsides to Radeon there are plenty of downsides to GeForce as-well such as Micron memory on 20 series cards, crippling vram limitations as cards age compared to Radeon counterparts, GTX 970 “4gb” of vram, etc. I have not used chill or boost so I can’t comment but anti lag feels great in GPU limited scenarios. Just some of my thoughts on this age old debate lol

[@AthanImmortal]

Welcome back Steve! Thanks for such a thorough test. Didn't actually expect it to be this close, I wonder if some of the wins for 7800XT were also in part because of the higher memory bus bandwidth not just the extra 4gb?

[@furieux6742]

Look 4k fortinte. 1fps difference. Its bus width the problem. No ram.

[@rustler08]

@@furieux6742 To be fair, Fortnite has shit optimization for AMD. The 7800XT is an objectively superior GPU in terms of rasterization, offering over 10% more performance in benchmarks. What you're seeing in 4K is just brute-forcing the shitty title with more power and more memory. Same thing for Hogwarts Legacy.

[@papineau4518]

@@rustler08 just wait for drivers it's gonna open the true potential of this card

[@AdrianValenciaYT]

@@rustler08 Fortnite has shit optimization.* It stutters even on a 4090, so don't try to make amd a martyr here. 😅

[@slickrounder6045]

Both advantages help, but that would mainly be at 4k and only sometimes in 1440p.

[@osardegozar2581]

This is a great comparison video indeed. Also I'm glad you mentioned pricing situations outside the U.S. Just as in Australia, 7800XT costs as much as 4070 in Japan.

[@arbernuka3679]

So what ...id take 7800xt over 4070 anyday even if it was more expesive for 50-100$. More vram (more future prof), faster and only 2% slower on RT even tho most of us dont care for RT, its a no brainer choice.

[@Eleganttf2]

​@@arbernuka3679you're clearly blindly missing out some points in the conclusion do you ? Also not everyone is just looking for gaming performance, power efficiency especially in EU and not to mention productivity task is still HORRID for AMD

[@osardegozar2581]

​@@arbernuka3679 I understand it's no brainer for you. Other people, however, may also consider power efficiency. 4070 is more power efficient, which also implies it's generally quieter. Besides, higher prices outside the U.S. means its price advantage over 4070 does not exist outside the U.S., irrespective of the fact that some individuals prefer 7800 XT even under that condition.

[@arbernuka3679]

@@Eleganttf2 you seem to have missed more than me, you realise 7900xt is basically on par with 4080 in terms of productivity ? After updates and updates 7900xt was only 5 % behind same as in gaming dude. Amd this gen is way better than last gen in productivity, read more and talk less. And yeah this channel especialy this video is ALL FOR GAMING so stop commenting nonsene about producivity or smth else ngreedia fanboy.

[@golgol4903]

​@@arbernuka3679guess you got cheap electricity then.

[@MrAtthedrivein925]

Awesome benchmarks! Thank you Steve for all you do

[@xpk0228]

In Taiwan 7800XT is 80 USD below 4070, but there are only 1 model in stock. AMD GPUs generally does not sell well in the first year of being on shelves here, as the price is not low enough to make people notice. however they discount very agressive late into the generation, where 5700XT and 6700XT both got below 300 USD a few months before the new generation launched. (early 2020 for 5700XT and summer 2022 for 6700XT)

[@Farded_]

That’s just usual for rdna2 rdna1 was extremely price competitive for its entire life cycle and a big factor to why that happened with rdna2/6700 xt is from overstock and the gpu shortages

[@slayerr4365]

I don't think amd gpu sell well for the first year anywhere in the world because it's well known amd tactic that they price cut by 10%/20%/50% 3-12 months after a release of every gpu. The 7800 xt is the first card they released where the price has been pre cut for release so people know it won't go lower for once (so it's a safe buy). For some reason they forgot to pre cut the price of the 7700 xt though lol

[@danborg1228]

5700xt i buyed it in swe 2018 still using it did not even cost 350 dollars back then

[@jinty83]

Great video as usual Steve, keep up the good work. The difference in pricing in the UK seems to be similar to the US which is great. Hopefully this happens in more regions once more stock appears of the new cards. Wouldn't it be nice if Intel could make a competing Battlemage card in it's next generation. Even more competition on pricing would benefit us all.

[@keech100]

Just more :(

[@kevinyoliveira68]

But sadly Intel not will sell sufficient cards, they can beat AMD and Nvidia in price per performance ratio, but idk why don't

[@nameless.0190]

"The difference in pricing in the UK seems to be similar to the US which is great" They are the same price though, or £10 difference at times.

[@jinty83]

@@nameless.0190 at the moment yes but that isn't always the case. Prices can fluctuate quite a bit although in some parts of the world the difference is astronomical which is awful.

[@wesnickle]

Great review, I ended up going with the RX 7800 XT, I was deciding between that and the RTX 4070 (I play at 1440p) but between the $100 lower price tag, the better rasterization performance, the additional VRAM and bus width, and the free copy of Starfield, the 7800 XT was an easy choice.

[@donloder1]

which AIB gave out the free copies? edit: welp it ended on the 28th

[@avs_ytb]

I would have preferred 4070 just because of the power efficiency. I have noticed that it consumes literally 40-50% more power while performing similarly. Electricity Bills will just coverup the additional proce of 4070 in 3-4 months. But maybe in the long run the 16GB Vram will be much helpful but 4070's DLSS 3.5 is next level.

[@collinsorrells-yl4fi]

​@@avs_ytb The difference game to game is less than 50 watts... So more like 3 or 4 years to recoup that difference even if you game like 40 hours a week. Also the overwhelming majority of 7800 xt's are reporting to easily under volt by a considerable amount with no performance loss or even performance gains. There's a whole sub reddit questioning why the stock voltage is so high with most people running thier cards around 200 watts.

[@zetterburger]

Getting Starfield is a negative

[@TheLongWind]

If you pay $5-10 more can you let them keep Starfield?

[@bongi6811]

Great video and benchmarks! I've seen a lot of people argue about the 7800xt vs. the 4070, saying that one is obviously much better then the other until some realized that they had completely different ideas about the price of both cards since local pricing is all over the place. This is why it's important to look into what GPUs you can get where you live in your desired price range and then look at reviews and benchmarks of those GPUs to determine which one is the best for you.

[@azazeltheforgotten]

Has been the case for a really long time now, I really wanted an rtx 3070 when it was announced but ended up buying a rx6700 xt since it performed really similar and costed about 200$ less in Mexico when I purchased it

[@rustler08]

Even if local pricing is the same, the 7800XT is 10% faster already and will likely see increases to performance over time with newer drivers (remember that the 6900XT dropped in 2021 doing like 17,000 in timespy and now does over 21,000). On top of that you get 33% more VRAM. Unless you're buying for AI applications, you are really wasting money on NVIDIA

[@bongi6811]

@@rustler08 I mostly agree with that, but I've seen people saying the 7800xt is up to $30 more expensive where they live along with some people highly valuing RT and DLSS. There are definitely still situations were the 4070 could make sense, but overall I agree that the 7800xt looks better for most people.

[@crackajacka87]

@@rustler08 If you play games a lot then the 40 series Nvidia is a very tempting choice as it's low energy usage saves you money in the long term and I live in the UK where energy prices more than doubled here so I will probably get the 4070 as I will probably save money for similar performance long term.

[@tvb7461]

​@@bongi6811 in my country the 4070 is 100 euro expensive than the 7800xt

[@CRBarchager]

Thank for you for the review. Getting really close to the magic 1m subs. Grats.

[@perlichtman1562]

I currently have both the 7800 XT and 4070 and there are usage cases where each is better. For gaming (outside of especially heavy RT in games like Cyberpunk 2077), 4X upscaling 4K video in Topaz Video AI, video editing and 3D/2D apps with good AMD support, I have been preferring the 7800 XT. For upscaling video at more normal resolutions in Topaz Video AI and for 3D modeling work in applications that heavily favor Nvidia (like Blender) or that don’t support AMD, I have been preferring the 4070. Overall, I would give the edge to AMD unless you do a lot of 3D modeling/animation/rendering.

[@duxnihilo]

What if you lived in a country where the 4070 were slightly cheaper?

[@tryfergoodra552]

​​@@duxnihiloThen the 4070 is a no brainer , at the same price the 4070 wins by small margin tho, unless you want to play in 4k but both cards are very weak for 4k

[@duxnihilo]

@@tryfergoodra552 My is AMD so weirdly priced outside of the US? :/

[@duxnihilo]

Thanks for the answer, though.

[@suraj.1889]

hi, I m looking to buy either 4070 or 7800xt for ue5 and blender work, would u say 7800 is kinda not so good at handling those softwares? in comparison to 4070. In my country 4070 Gigabyte AERO costs 62,350 rupees and the 7800XT Sapphire NITRO+ costs 60,000 rupees, 28 USD cheaper.

[@CsQ_RandomRepository]

I see that the Australian pricing has the RTX 4070 and the RX 7800 XT evenly matched as well. IN South Korea, this is also the case with the price gap of the cheapest of each being just 10,000 won (about $7.53). The weak price-to-performance argument for the RX 7800 XT is made even weaker when factoring that some popular online games in South Korea, such as PUBG, tend to perform noticeably worse on AMD GPUs. Needless to say, AMD GPUs are still having a rough time here.

[@leonro]

I would argue that you don't really _need_ the extra performance in lighter titles like pubg where you'll be getting something like over 200fps either way. But it's indeed tough to justify a 7800XT at the same price point as the 4070, because the 4GB of extra VRAM isn't a whole lot, and that's its main selling point.

[@rustler08]

@@leonro First off, that "JUST" 4GB more is 33% more VRAM, which is not a statically insignificant amount. Second, that 4GB of extra VRAM can and will be the difference between a choppy, horribly unstable FPS experience and one where you have to lower settings because NVIDIA cheaped out on that not "a whole lot". This isn't a 1080P card with excess VRAM like the 3060 12GB was. You're out here discredit major differences as though they're trifling, and it really just shows either you don't know what you're talking about and/or you have a massive bias.

[@mjkittredge]

I imagine that performance will improve soon with driver updates. These are new cards after all

[@leonro]

@@rustler08 Mate, my current GPU is an RX 6800. It's "just" 4GB because 12GB will likely be enough for good a while to set any game at max settings, or at the very least close to it. It's not the same massive difference as when Nvidia had an 8GB 3070 (Ti as well) and a 10GB 3080 going against 16GB AMD cards. And that was at a time when 8GB was already close to being maxed out in games. Yes, it's still a difference that matters, but will the difference between ultra and high textures be enough to offset Nvidia's better RT, software solutions, and brand recognition? I wanted to say "I don't think so", but it should be a straight-up "No!". At the very least, not when the 7800XT and 4070 are being sold at the exact same price. I'd consider it a toss-up if the 7800XT was cheaper by 5-10% - any less of a difference and Nvidia wins, any more and AMD wins.

[@busetgadapet]

2023 and you still play pubg lmao

[@Celis.C]

I'm curious how the latest gen (including cpu etc.) compares to cards that probably a lot of people might still be rocking, like the gtx1070, gtx1080, rtx2060, Vega 56, Vega 64, Radeon VII and the like

[@Bobblybook]

I'm about to upgrade to a 7800xt from an hd7950.. waited so long the model numbers overflowed and rolled back around 🤣

[@PineyJustice]

@@Bobblybook At that point you need to wait for the 7950xtx refresh. Keep things consistent

[@IKILLER147]

I will be upgrrading from GTX 1070 to RX 7800XT for UWQHD gaming and work

[@Bobblybook]

​ @PineyJustice Honestly I would do something petty like this just to have the numbers match up, but it would be so overpriced I would have to pass even if they released one sadly

[@bumpsy]

I'm getting the 7800 xt and am currently running the 1060 6GB. Mainly to upgrade to 1440p in modern games :)

[@XBnPC]

Very happy to see Steve back as well as strong competition in the mid-range GPU market! This is great news for gamers! FSR 3 SOON PLEASE 🙏

[@TheRealSkeletor]

You consider this a mid-range GPU? I would consider any GPU over $500 to be high-end, though obviously not top-tier in today's market.

[@manpan1]

@@TheRealSkeletor well yea this is mid range, a starter tier gpu is anywhere between 100-350, a mid tier gpu would be anywhere from 400-750, and a high end gpu would bee 800 - 2000

[@wile123456]

Starfield performance isn't unexplainable. Plenty of Nvidia sources have stated it's because their driver division has less resources and money put into to optimized games. We haven't had an AMD sponsored title where Nvidia wasn't optimized in the past 5 years because Nvidia used to invest more into geforce than they do now.

[@PeteTheL337]

bingo!

[@f.miller801]

Yeah I call it BS.

[@SwolePapi15]

Source?

[@xenotone3284]

That doesn't explain why it's bad in Starfield and good in other games

[@Simon-gc6uf]

He's just slyly inserting that in there to support Tim's ridiculous no evidence wild accusations videos, simple as that. Ego will never allow a retraction or we got that one wrong etc etc.

[@howie3601]

My 7800xt will be here in a couple of days. Just got the 7800x3d cpu yesterday. Hyped for the new upgrade. I'm going from a 8700k and gtx 1080

[@VladyslavChapiuk-p4q]

Hello, how it went after one year? I currently have exact same setup 8700k + gtx 1080Ti. Do you think it is a good Idea to use 7800XT with this setup?

[@SamSawyer-s9m]

@@VladyslavChapiuk-p4q They upgraded their whole system, they didn't just replace the GPU. IMO, there would probably be a lot of bottlenecking, since the 7600X (what i would recommend to pair with the 7800XT) is more than twice as fast in benchmarks. You should probably be looking at replacing your whole system if possible.

[@VladyslavChapiuk-p4q]

@@SamSawyer-s9m Thank you! I Actually decided to do so.

[@UNr34]

Nice to see how much AMD has improved RT performance.

[@korhanaydemir8366]

Cyberpunk RT Nvidia is still 57% faster than AMD.

[@truedps8]

@@korhanaydemir8366 So? Sounds like a CDPR specific issue then? Something the dev needs to fix, not AMD.

[@PineyJustice]

@@korhanaydemir8366 CDPR is highly nvidia sponsored and RT is implemented in the most pro nvidia anti AMD way possible for them. Meanwhile tech that actually matters in UE5 lumen the gap is nonexistent or favors AMD. Nvidia's specific RT tech has no legs, lumen will be in most games coming out for the next year.

[@ThunderingRoar]

I mean let's be real NV sponsored games push ray tracing really hard (CP77, Dying light 2, Alan wake 2, Portal RTX, Metro Exodus, Control etc) and these are pretty much the best looking RT games since they usually have RT global illumination and in these games NV gpus have a big advantage. On the other hand AMD sponsored games only have ray traced shadows and/or reflections and thats about it. Its the type of games where you barely notice the difference between RT on or off. So with less demanding ray tracing they re gonna be on equal ground UE5 and lumen will be a different story tho

[@mareklolo9357]

@@PineyJustice Nvidia raytraycing/DLSS technology (rescale, denoiser, pathtraycing for RTX effects) is more advanced compared to lumen from epic.

[@olnnn]

Have you considered revisiting how these compare in a more cpu-limited scenario and if the AMD cards still have an advantage there? That could also have some impact on a buying decision on a mid-range card.

[@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure]

I'm incorrect. If you are CPU bottlenecked then it will give the same fps because your CPU cannot send enough frames to the GPU for rendering to begin with. You see what I mean? If the GPU cannot render the frames fast enough then the CPU will quickly finish its work and wait idle. Same goes vice versa. If CPU cannot keep pace with GPU then GPU will render whatever workload it has been given and then sit idle until more work is given. That's why when testing GPUs, reviewers do not use weak CPUs, or even mid range CPUs. Because if your CPU can only give 40 frames to the GPU for rendering, the GPU will just sit idle after finishing 40 frames. Meaning both Nvidia and AMD cards will give 40 frames.

[@nou4605]

​@@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventureYou missed his point and wrote a huge ass paragraph. AMD GPU drivers have a lower CPU overhead. Meaning being everything else equal in a CPU limited scenario the AMD card will give your CPU more breathing room.

[@Dracossaint]

​@@nou4605just to back this up, this was also demonstrated previously on hardware unboxed as well.

[@samk7500]

@@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure this is a completely incorrect understanding of how CPUs work. There is no static "40 frames", it's a CPU that works in conjunction with a GPU and the rest of the PC to try run your game smoothly. Drivers are a specialized form of software. Lighter software puts less demand on the CPU. If your CPU is maxed out, you are likely taking a performance hit as your system is now CPU bottlenecked. HUB, Daniel Owens, and many others have already benchmarked and shown that Nvidia drivers do indeed use more CPU due to driver overhead since the software that actually drives the AMD/Nvidia GPU is quite different.

[@RafitoOoO]

​@@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventurebig wooosh

[@ElladanKenet]

I think it really depends on the games you play. Pick whichever GPU does better in the game you play most often, at the settings you prefer. They're close to parity performance wise.

[@ValkisCalmor]

At the weird pricing outside of the U.S., sure. If you're seeing them at MSRP, performance parity with a $100 price gap gives us an obvious answer. 'Course if you're not desperate for a GPU right this instant, you can always wait and see if NVidia adjusts pricing in response.

[@ElladanKenet]

@@ValkisCalmor Less obvious than you think. Hence why I said it depends on your game and settings, because surprising noone, Nvidia will do better with anything needing raytracing. For $100, anyone interested in raytracing shouldn't even consider AMD as an option. But if you don't care, then yeah, AMD is clearly the better value.

[@Dempig]

@@ElladanKenet For ray tracing , you shouldnt consider anything other than a 4090, and even then the 4090 is far too weak for native resolution gaming with rtx. If you're buying a rtx 4070 for ray tracing , you WILL be dissapointed.

[@ValkisCalmor]

@@ElladanKenet Did we watch the same video? The RT performance was still pretty comparable in most games. I don't know if many people are planning to play Cyberpunk exclusively for the next four years.

[@ValkisCalmor]

@@Dempig Eh, that's only really true at 4k. A lot of us are targeting 1440p, and you can get pretty good RT performance out of the 4070Ti and 7900XT at that resolution. Easily 60+ and usually 100+.

[@spacedock873]

One thing you didn't mention in buying decisions is size - neither the RX7700XT nor the RX7800XT is available as a dual slot board, making them unsuitable for most SFF builds. The fact that the RTX4070 draws less power and so is available as a dual slot card may also be a factor for some people.

[@grimdicer152]

Glad to see Steve feeling much better.

[@neoaliens8635]

Welcome back Steve and I've come fast to welcome you back and watch your video fast! As ALWAYS and as the way it should be!

[@The_Noticer.]

Starfield being AMD sponsored will likely have nothing to do with nvidia's lackluster performance. More to do with the high CPU usage. Much like tessellation used to cripple AMD. Hogwartz legacy and Cyberpunk, and jedi survivor are also CPU demanding titles aswell. Lo and behold, same discrepancy... Assassin's creed valhalla has GPU geometry shaders, resulting in 100K+ drawcalls per second. No doubt the Nvidia driver absolutely flatlines here. So it would be nice if the game's perfomance would be explained technically, instead of based on team green or red, like something nefarious is going on...

[@jontyhood]

I mean… Look at how intel had no access to the game and thus it’s driver was (and still kind of is) broken at launch. This isn’t a team red vs team green debacle, just that game exclusivity seems to hinder driver development from the other vendors, a bad thing for all gamers (see Portal RTX, nvidia partner). So there’s definitely more too it I reckon.

[@PriestPoppy]

I mean, the game did not work at all on Intel GPU because Intel received the game the day people could access it, this meant basically no time to iron out a driver.

[@K5Legion]

Nvidia is also cutting costs over time to optimization of their own drivers. Even if it wasn't AMD sponsored, I doubt we'd be seeing much if *any* optimization based improvements.. It sucks for everyone, unfortunately.

[@The_Noticer.]

@@Tracenji You dont just magically sprinkle optimization dust onto a game dude. It all depends on what is being displayed. The Havok engine is quite capable with respects to physics simulation, go check some video's with people memeing milk cartons everywhere. Secondly, if there is a lot of geometry, there will be a lot of drawcalls to throughput which is notoriously a weak point of Nvidia. If you look at Assassin's creed valhalla, that uses the GPU to compute the geometry, but it results in the CPU having to create very small drawcalls for each of them, and it can run into 100K+ drawcalls. Which INCREASE with resolution. Hence at 4K, the 7800XT absolutely annihilates the Nvidia GPU which has to do all these drawcalls through their clunky driver with no hardware support. Especially if the calculations are interdependent its difficult to multithread. And high CPU load just cripples Nvidia at the moment. All the games it does particularly poorly in, in this test are all high CPU load games. (open world, lots of calculations, physics, geometry, AI etc).

[@The_Noticer.]

@@K5Legion Not only that, I dont think without completely revising their driver, and adding scheduling hardware on their architecture, that they will be able to make many gains through software alone. I think in the short term, Nvidia's performance in rasterization will be incredibly lacklustre in modern games built from the ground-up with next-gen ryzen consoles in mind (more CPU usage), which is why they're pushing their meme AI and RT. It's the only thing they can do with what they have...

[@EARTHROMR]

Another awesome video from the Benchmarking God. I purchased a Tuf 4070 OC for $1050 AUD. Very happy with my purchase. Thanks for the recommendation

[@photonboy999]

*RTX4070 user... my 2 cents* When I bought my RTX4070, the AMD comparison was the RX-6800XT. The POWER DRAW under gaming was 300W vs 200W for the RTX4070 (my room gets WARM so power draw matters a lot). The price in Canada was also slightly HIGHER. Aside from VRAM the AMD card didn't offer much. Ray-tracing to me isn't a deal-breaker but it matters. If I was comparing an RTX4070 now with an RX-7800XT I'd need to think much harder about it if the RX-7800XT was cheaper. Power draw 250W (vs 200W). Not really a factor... FSR3? Too bad I can't compare so that's a tough one. CUDA? Matters but not a deal breaker. Price? Not a big deal to me but not a deal-breaker. VRAM? Ya, I really wanted 16GB but I couldn't justify an RTX4080 as I'd also have to rebuild my PC (R9-3900x CPU currently) due to a big CPU bottleneck... long story short I'd probably still go with the RTX4070 but mainly for DLSS and CUDA (Topaz video editing)... AMD will have a tough time getting me back though. I'm willing to pay EXTRA for better to a point. I get super distracted by things like SHIMMERING etc so visual QUALITY to me is probably the most important part.... Although, I probably will keep the RTX4070 for a long, long time now. I have a lot of games and I seem to be replaying OLDER GAMES just at higher resolutions. Currently playing Mass Effect Legendary trilogy (modded) and Skyrim AE (modded). I have FPS drops in Spider-Man Remastered but I wouldn't build a new PC for that. I'd really need SEVERAL games that just blow me away for me to justify building a new PC. I've got so much time and so much money after all.

[@mallonox]

Thank You! It's extremely important that you addressed the pricing situation outside of US.

[@MugRuith]

One thing I'm very curious about but content creators and tech analysts never seem to discuss is the difference between GPU models. I want to know how the sound and thermals and housing quality differ between the 7800 AMD reference card and the different models made by Sapphire and PowerColor and XFX and the rest.

[@TheRealSkeletor]

There are plenty of websites which review the different models of each GPU and compare them to the reference models, though they're usually in the form of text articles with embedded images (graphs), rather than videos, so you're unlikely to find many of those reviews here on KZbin.

[@AgentSmith911]

Excellent review as always 👍🏻

[@andrewcross5918]

Great review and glad that you are better now. With the bar charts for the overall averages could you perhaps switch from blue for all to some kind of coloured system to indicate sub 30 FPS, 30-60 FPS, 60-90 FPS, 90-120 FPS and 120+ FPS. As you point out in the 4k RT data most of the frame rates are really low so seeing some kind of visual indication of where that lands might be a good addition.

[@-Devy-]

Right, because just looking at the bars and reading the numbers is too difficult?

[@andrewcross5918]

@@-Devy- yea when they are showing the % delta on the summaries rather than the individual benchmarks it is hard to tell the actual frame rate... hence why I said for the 'overall averages'

[@t5kcannon1]

Great content; thanks! I got a 7800xt on pre-order (£480 for a 7800xt, vs £560 for a 4070, UK pricing). I guess the price difference will continue to narrow. Regardless, the amd's extra vram is certainly nice.

[@gamesmaster1060]

I thought the 4070 was £570?

[@Yahya-X]

I'm guessing you've pre ordered the Sapphire Pulse 7800 XT from Scan as i've also pre ordered the same for £480.

[@IronWarden]

I also have a 7800xt on pre-order for £480 but just spotted a 4070 for £530 and now I'm torn between them both.

[@t5kcannon1]

@@Yahya-X Spot on! Scan pre-order, due in stock 30th September (hopefully).

[@t5kcannon1]

@@gamesmaster1060 Going for £560 on Amazon today.

[@elpman001]

One issue not talked about much regarding the 7800xt is its width. The reference model is 50mm and nearly all of them are even wider. There are a lot of old cases, especially ITX that can't handle a 50mm width card.

[@dzenan6318]

Get new case

[@elpman001]

@@dzenan6318 that is totally fair but you just spent the difference you saved in buying the cheaper card. Also, what if you like your case?

[@scslre]

​@@elpman001then you'll have to continue to live with that issue

[@jonjon3829]

dont use the side panel? you'll get better temps too. I got a sama 01 and I dont use any panels its all barebone and mounted to the wall.

[@chilldude30]

At the same price, I'd say it mostly come down to whether you value the Nvidia software features and RT performance over the extra 4gb VRAM. I do prefer DLSS over FSR 2 but maybe FSR 3 will redress that.

[@pjd0ioas]

I'd also add electricity prices depending on how high they are in your area, how long you have your PC on and how long you game. I pay a lot for electricity, so that's also an important point for me.

[@da1punisher]

I ordered the Hellhound 7800XT from Amazon here in the U.S. I guess that is a definitive statement concerning which I'd choose. Here it comes with premium Starfield too, so for U.S. buyers that factors into the value equation. I know it did for me.

[@leakyabstraction]

These UGreen products seem quite impressive, and the design is really nice

[@hammerheadcorvette4]

Galium Nitride finally coming to the mainstream. Interested in it's specs.

[@PindleofKujata]

I saw pricing and availability for the 7800 XT in Canada. They wanted $804 CAD the first night (Amazon pre-orders lol), but the price soon corrected to $650. I've been waiting to get off of my 3070 Ti, thanks in no small part to the VRAM issues. It's looking like the 7800XT will be the card I buy (once it's on a sale). I don't find Ray Tracing a compelling reason to stay with Nvidia, and FSR offers the same type of upscaling, even if it's not as good as DLSS. I'm also tired of Nvidia's shenanigans. I was even willing to go Intel Arc because of it. Ada Lovelace was a waste of a gen for us gamers. Shame.

[@Deoneta]

Frame generation is honestly OP.

[@hamster_master]

​@@Deonetaamd also has frame gen now

[@ابراهيمالمطيري-ب7ض]

and it's a leaked Open-Source Mod so actually nvidia is no longer have a reason to stay with customers@@hamster_master

[@dIggl3r]

(wow Ugreen went hard, I've seen their SAME add on ALL the major hardware/news channels this past week)

[@danburycollins]

Awesome vidoe - given the similar performance of these two cards - a question for me is how much I should factor in the higher Vram in the AMD offering - in terms of longevity in the future. Also whether poorer performance in titles such as cyberpunk with RT might be somehting that future patches (of game or more likely gpu drivers) could mitigate.

[@jamienoonan1186]

Great comparison, thanks for all the hard work.

[@gameison4813]

I ended up buying 4070 cuz it was cheaper than 7800xt for me. It should be more expensive but it wasn't and i ain't overpaying for amd for sure, especially when they are sold out and next batch is getting even more expensive. 4070 were in stock for quite some time and below msrp and my currency lost value but they didn't raised price. I also managed to get good discount. 7800xt pricing was affected by currency rate change and i would have to pay roughly 100 euro more in my currency to get 7800xt and they ain't even in stock so i would have to wait for a week or so.

[@gamesmaster1060]

Cope

[@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure]

​@@gamesmaster1060we all do, son

[@ninja1man4u]

Thanks for the review hub. I hope that Steve is feeling better!

[@Teh-Penguin]

This channel is a dream for all the comparison nerds out there(me). Thanks for all your hard work!

[@GroundedTech]

If I hadn't built a PC with the 4070 a few months back I would have snapped up that 7800 XT. Great video.

[@AstralPhnx]

Interesting thing about the price you mentioned. Hilariously, just over the ditch here in New Zealand it's the polar opposite with the 7800XT undercutting the cheapest 4070 by a not insignificant 131 dollars. So over here it's literally no contest the 7800XT is just the go to lmao

[@wayward03]

My older GPU just died so instead of waiting for the next gen I just pulled the trigger on a mid tier 7800xt. Should be good for maxing out 1440p for a little while.

[@jwiz1911]

Thanks Steve! Glad you are feeling better!

[@ripandutta7565]

One of the best comparison, people often neglect pricing outside USA where same range amd GPUs are often similar or at times more expensive than nvidia. At the same price I'd always go with nvidia given the feature set and low power consumption it comes with.

[@gamesmaster1060]

Cope

[@atirta777]

​​​@@gamesmaster1060 Cope what? The comment didn't state anything but facts, so what even is there to cope with?

[@johernandez266]

@@gamesmaster1060 Cope 🤣

[@Dracossaint]

​@@johernandez266explain yourself or cap.

[@johernandez266]

@@Dracossaint lol I was j/k My cope > His Cope. You know "I know you are but what am I ? " 🤣

[@tucci06]

It's kind of wild that I have to pay $500-600 to get barely twice the performance of my 6 1/2 year old 1080 ti. And this is with a 7800X3D. I'm on a 5900X.

[@gaustin]

Chose the 4070 a couple of months back for a mini ITX build and glad I did, would still go for it due to the power draw and DLSS.

[@calvinminer4365]

I got the white Asus TUF 7800xt for my white mITX Lian Li q58. It was a tight squeeze, but it fit fine and has never cracked 60° while staying silent. I love it.

[@TheXboxSux]

Same. It's so quite and efficient compared to my old 1080ti. It's the perfect stopgap to see how the 50 series pans out and whether i'll buy a top tier card ever again. If it had 16GB of VRAM it would have been perfect.

[@leyterispap6775]

i just love the 'world partitioning' ,the US has hugely different pricing compared to the rest of the world .well done boys.

[@leyterispap6775]

@@blue-lu3iz i completely disagree with that,and as someone who follows european pricing daily for years , i have never seen a single gpu cheaper.

[@leyterispap6775]

@@blue-lu3iz 7800xt in amazon de 592euros,amazon com 499 usd.first one i looked..btw thats a bit more than 100euros difference.

[@trueNahobino]

@@blue-lu3izHere's his reply: "7800xt in amazon de 592euros,amazon com 499 usd.first one i looked..btw thats a bit more than 100euros difference." Also he's correct, looking at the XFX Speedster Merc 310 RX 7900XT, it costs 780.66 USD on amazon for the US and then 887.99 Euro (954.37 USD) on amazon for Germany. Same with the Gigabyte 3X windforce RX 7900xtx, it's 1029.99 USD in the US to 1256.49 USD when translated from euro in Germany. Some gpus may be cheaper but they are generally more expensive in europe (or at least Germany, that's for sure).

[@cloudtro]

I have an idea. How about making a video on the rise of gpu prices in recent years? The younger audience doesn't have the picture from the past. For example back in 2013 i bought the HD7950 for 430€. On the line up back in the day it is on the position of 7900XT which costs 850€. This is getting out of hand.

[@andysledge]

Just inflation alone is 430€ to 550€

[@kakoiniksvoboden]

Good idea. Would be interesting to see the history of price development in this industry.

[@sh0dn]

Inflation is a small portion for cost increase. Waffles (source material for chip) cost increase from 2800 (28nm in 2015) to 17000 for 5nm in 2022. That's alone can easily explain current prices.

[@warnacokelat]

It is absolutely mind boggling how pricing is different between regions. Over here the retailers have some sort of syndicate, they simply price matched this 2 GPU so that won't be much difference.

[@JimSting]

Meanwhile, in AU we get gouged AUD 850 to 900 (depending on brand) for a 4070, when a 6800XT is 750 to 800. $100 might not seem like much, but it's a 13% difference. Australia tax. And it's not worth me buying overseas because the shipping cost and GST will wipe out that $100, and more.

[@antraxbeta23]

To bad in Europe, or at least my country the 7800xt is same price as the 4070, and tbh id pick the 4070 over 7800xt at the same price, because power usage means a lot to me.

[@oldbonniegamer938]

In our country, AMD is a lot more expensive than Nvidia. Maybe because of the lack of stocks, so maybe it will change in a few months.

[@Enclosure_2k]

This is the main problem of this youtube "tech" channels. they only care about dollar and they think it's like that for the rest of the world. And it's Not. In EU is a complete different beast.

[@Scytherman]

Plenty countries in Europe with high energy prices rn too where the better power efficiency can actually be pretty nice in general.

[@k.23_02]

That power usage would take a while for it to actually make a huge difference in comparison to the AMD card and you get 4GB less of VRAM which isn't good if you're planning on keeping your GPU for 4 or more years before you upgrade again

[@gameison4813]

i got 4070 for less than 7800xt so not gonna complain

[@hammerheadcorvette4]

0:30 I'm interested in seeing more of the Galium Nitride technologies coming to market. It will definitely make carrying power banks, charge stations and other peripherals more bearable.

[@ЭльмарИдрисов-г5э]

Special thanks for including CSGO. I hope you will include and test CS2 when it is released officially. Also, thank you for showing raster and RT graphs separately. Pure gold. Great content as always.

[@Modverse]

i love your guys intro its so soothing

[@winj3r]

I have a small recommendation. Change old The Outer Worlds, with the Spacer's Choice Edition. After a couple of patches, it now runs very well and looks better than the original.

[@Yerinjibbang]

played the original halfway lol is the spacer choice run better too?

[@winj3r]

@@Yerinjibbang The Spacer's Choice is heavier to run, but looks significantly better. It does have a good implementation of FSR2.1, which can improve performance.

[@combo9114]

Great review, really interesting stats. I think one missing point here is that upscaling using DLSS usually outclasses FSR in every way possible, in every game that have both implementations. For example, FSR at Quality very often looks WORSE than DLSS using Performance. Not to mention having additional Nvidia features like Frame Gen, Ray Reconstruction, and DLAA. As mentioned frequently by people like Digital Foundry, the image quality of the upscaler really needs to be a factor in comparisons because sharing raw benchmark numbers doesn't paint a full picture for consumers. While image quality comparisons would obviously introduce more subjectivity, I think at this point it's an essential piece of the puzzle.

[@tony_T_]

FSR 3 exists and it's way better than whatever AMD had earlier

[@combo9114]

You’re mistaken here. FSR 3 doesn’t have, or use, any improvements to the upscaling already present in FSR 2. It adds a Frame Generation feature that interpolates and generates new frames to increase the frame rate, similar to Nvidia’s DLSS 3.0 Frame Gen. It does not improve image quality in the slightest (and just like Nvidia Frame Gen, arguably reduces image quality)

[@jporter504]

Does the RX 7800 XT come with Starfield in most other parts of the world? If so, that should be considered as a potential savings if the buyer is planning on acquiring Starfield anyway and as long as the promotion lasts.

[@bryanyokofich5021]

I was going to buy starfield premium edition anyways so when I got the 7800xt I really only saw it as a $400 purchase rather than $500

[@tohtorrent]

to buy a brand new GPU and to have problems in Cyberpunk...It is like "but can it run Crysis?" and AMD failed to answer that question properly

[@danieloberhofer9035]

Performance-wise, I'd consider the matchup a tie with a little advantage for AMD. Both CP2077 (with RT) and Starfield are basically meaningless for an overall comparison, as they're both heavily influenced by Nvidia and AMD, respectively. There's nothing to be learned there except that if you prefer Starfield, you buy AMD, and if you prefer CP2077 (with RT on!), you buy Nvidia - period. In the end it'll come down to two things: First, if pricing in your region favors Nvidia, you'll probably consider the 4070. If not, the 7800XT is the obvious choice. And second: Your personal upgrade cycle. If you switch GPUs every generation, the 4070 has the superior feature set and thus is a very compelling option. If instead you upgrade your GPU every 3-5 years (or even less often), the 7800XT is immeasurably better. Having 16GB instead of 12GB makes such a huge difference in terms of longevity I'd not even remotely consider the 4070 for a long term build. Moreover, AMD's track record of supporting older GPUs and improving both drivers and features is way better than Nvidia's. If you compare the last decade of GPUs (let's say back to Maxwell), with a few exceptions every AMD card aged better than its Nvidia counterpart. So for long term builders I'd go with the 7800XT, even if its price matches the 4070's.

[@gamesmaster1060]

I'm not even sure about the 4070s advantages as the 4070 dips below 60 a lot on DLSS Cyberpunk on overdrive RT path tracing (which is the only RT mode I care about). So I think I'd rather just have the extra performance of the 7800xt without RT or mabye low RT. Ray tracing is something I think I can wait for until it becomes cheaper to run. I think if you are buying a GPU for ray tracing you should get a 4080 or 4090. 4070 feels like a bit of a half measure and the demands of cyberpunk will apparently go up with the dlc/update

[@danieloberhofer9035]

@@gamesmaster1060 Pretty much, yes.

[@jjoohhhnn]

​@@gamesmaster1060yeah, I imagine heavy RT uses a lot of VRAM.

[@gamesmaster1060]

@@Navi_xoo No I mean it's dips below 60 with frame gen on. It's terrible natively lol

[@BecauseynotGaming]

What was with the super low core clocks in the original review that were 500-700mhz lower than average? Was the 7800xt at its normal 2600-2800mhz core frequency in this comparison

[@Hjorth87]

Good on AMD for this card. I ended up getting a 4070 due to cooler size and power draw, but its nice to see Nvidia getting challenged

[@giucafelician]

Do you ever wonder if NVIDIA really feels the pressure of having a competitor? It's quite fascinating how people still choose to buy their products, even though they may not hold the same advantages as they used to.

[@TheWindows72306]

@@joshuaholmes6817 yes this. nvidia just have way better driver. especially when it comes to latency when vysnc is used.

[@jmangames5562]

@@TheWindows72306 FALSE!! see you bought into the hype, sad really. I have bought 3 nvidia cards with 2 being DOA no picture when tested in 3 new working systems, and one with major crashing aka driver issues. I have had flawless results with all my AMD GPU"s plug and play. Nvidia sells fake frames at way more money.

[@jmangames5562]

@@joshuaholmes6817 WRONG!

[@larbi253]

​@joshuaholmes6817 the drivers ARENT that much better anymore this isnt 10 years ago

[@eldorian91]

I bought my 7800xt on day one based purely on the thumbnail on your day one review, glad to see that your followup big review justified the purchase lol.

[@mil098]

Although in Australia the pricing is very similar, the telling factor will be the additional 4gb of memory. This ensures the 7800XT will be able to play the memory hungry future games better than the 4070.

[@busetgadapet]

4070 has 12gb and I bet my ass only games that collaborate with amd will make stupid high vram requirement just because, while majority of game will still fine with 8gb

[@102728]

On the flip side, power efficiency and dlss 3. I'd pick the 7800xt too but it's still not a weak case for the 4070

[@MisterFoxton]

@@busetgadapet Take off the tinfoil hat, the 7700XT has 12gb of VRAM, as does the 6700XT. The most popular AMD of the last 3 years has 8gb of VRAM.

[@xtinct16]

@@102728 You also forgot way better compute (AI and machine learning), better encoder (especially for H.264 and AV1), better drivers (especially on older DX9 and DX11 games), way better power draw when underclocked and undervolted and other stuff (RTX Voice, RTX Super Resolution, NVIDIA Broadcast, NVIDIA nerf

[@Tealdragon204]

​@@busetgadapetthis is already not true and there's already a video on this very channel disproving it

[@Autism_Obama]

This generation Sapphire Nitro+ GPU's look so damn good

[@pierrebroccoli.9396]

Went for the 7900 XT myself with a demo card sold to me. Using it for VR and it is doing really well so far. Some quirks like Pimax Home and SteamVR Home driving the card really hard but in VR titles the card runs much happier and cooler. No idea why the card is driven so hard with those two apps. The card drives the 8K-X well with better colours and clarity compared to its predecessor, RTX 2080. RTX4070 - unless it's the Ti version and at a decent price - forget it.

[@cediegamotin2787]

Did you encounter stuttering or other issues?

[@pierrebroccoli.9396]

@@cediegamotin2787 No, but after launching SteamVR I use Power Plan Switcher to set my power plan to AMD Balanced. Annoys me I have to do this but has been the same with my old RTX. Now at least, most recent update of SteamVR, the AMD card is getting recognised and VR SS settings recommendations are appropriate. It's going we'll.

[@Dazzxp]

Did you update the nVidia driver that enables rebar in starfield? Apprently there is a big increase in performance... It can be hacked via the registry or download todays drivers which enables it by default.... sorry Steve back to benchmarking again lol. You love it really 😂hope you are feeling better somehow i think this maybe a very long week for you again.

[@junkenn]

In my country, the 7800xt was charged over $120 more than it's current MSRP. It's a turn off

[@21stcg17]

Wish you a swift recovery Steve! Can hear your voice crack at 5:56 😰

[@LBXZero]

I think the next benchmarks for the RX 7800XT are overclocking and liquid cooling. We can see spending the money and effort to liquid cool an RTX 4090 or RX 7990XTX as there is nothing above those tiers, but it gives a weird question if there are mid range cards worth the price and effort to push their overclock performance to the real world limit instead of just buying the next tier up.

[@PineyJustice]

The answer is that the 7800xt is a beast for overclocking, just as the 7900 xtx partner cards are as well.

[@Archy_43]

With the XFX MERC 319 7800xt I was able to overclock to 6950xt levels easily.

[@MattJDylan]

Instead of spending 500$ on a gpu and 300 in cooling equipment, you spend 800 on another gpu to get way better performance out of the box 😂 Although watercooling and OC are never worth the time and money you put into it, it's only out of passion, so you might as well if you're compelled...

[@jjlw2378]

Maximum 314w power draw on all 7800xt. Maximum of 250w power draw with vbios flash on any dual vbios 4070. Neither of these are particularly impressive. Now that Nvidia bios modding has been unlocked, a potential 400w+ 4070 vbios is theoretically possible but likely won't benefit the 4070 as much as it would RDNA3 gpus. Basically both of these cards have been locked down to prevent them from achieving performance of the next tier above.

[@Blissy1175]

From what I can tell most of the mid & upper range cards on the AMD end are pretty good for OC gains, you just need to fiddle with it a bit because it isn't immediately intuitive if you come from the NVidia side or haven't done any OC before. I wouldn't spend the money on buying additional waterblock stuff for your GPU tho unless you already watercool your entire system, the gains from watercooling aren't worth the price you'd be spending versus just buying a better card imo. Watercooling, like you said, is worth it on the 7900xtx & 4090 because there's nothing faster than either of them in their respective product stacks (and the 7900xtx is aggressively priced so it makes more sense to watercool it than to buy a 4090 instead).

[@g.a.8661]

Nice video. One suggestion though (not sure if suggested before), but after 8:40, on the comparison charts, the top right description I would change to e.g. "Higher is better for RX 7800 XT", or "Negative: Nvidia is better; Positive: AMD is better". Just "Higher is better" doesn't seem to make much sense on such a comparison chart, IMO. Also thanks for mentioning the price difference outside US 👍.

[@henrikw377]

Thanks for the comparison. Huge missed opportunity IMO not to include at least some undervolting/overclocking results. The 4070 can't really be pushed higher performance-wise but can achieve great efficiency gains (as was mentioned), but according to some reviews there's a potential 10+% performance uplift potential in the RX7800 XT with little cost (slightly increased power consumption). If performance is all that matters, that tilts the decision even further towards the 7800 XT.

[@mlsasd6494]

imo its a lot more interesting to see undervolting results if you can reduce power consumption without too much of a hit to performance

[@mojojojo6292]

You can 10% out of the 4070 as well combined with an undervolt it still uses around stock 190w average or with just the undervolt you can have very near stock performance at 140w.

[@henrikw377]

@@mlsasd6494 I'm clearly inexperienced when it comes to Radeon/Adrenaline undervolting vs. Geforce/MSI Afterburner - every 7800 XT undervolting+overclocking example I've seen results in HIGHER power consumption. Scratching my head trying to understand this...

[@papalazarou7880]

Great video as always. I’m getting the 7800 XT, happy Christmas to me. My son has the 4070 and he loves it, he mainly plays Fortnite DX 12 at 1440p. My daughter has the 3070 and that’s still a great card!

[@VividEsportsFN]

That's great to hear, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. At first, I was leaning towards the 7800 xt because of its great performance and cost, but then I realised the RTX 4070 is better for Fortnite which I mainly play, so i went with that. Merry Christmas!

[@bryantallen703]

Just picked up a RX 6800XT Nitro+ for $380. I would stick with the 6000 series. They also support FP16 half Floats which doubles FP32 compute. The 3000 and 4000 series from nPIGIA does not. it does help in some games. FP16 helps in games like Mass Effect: Andromeda and Far Cry 4,5 and 6 for example.

[@ДмитрийСвиридов-ч6ю]

Ordered the same card, can't wait😅

[@exgaryex]

best comparison video I ever seen. thank you

[@Jbeasty1990]

I went with the 4070 due to the power efficiency/thermals. I'd honestly have just kept my 1080ti longer, but recently, lots of games are having issues with anything that isn't a current/last gen card (DLSS?). Just due to the absence of optimization really. I absolutely do not mind potato settings for 60+fps, but even that won't work in a lot of games right now, especially AAA. Not sure I'll even want to stick around by the next upgrade cycle in a bunch of years. I shudder even thinking about what things will look like by then.

[@fabijanraic1034]

I agree with you that the games today are getting less and less optimized so we have to throw more computing power at them to get (visual) experiences that are not really much better than 5ish years ago. Graphics shouldn't be the most important thing anyway. they should focus more on game-play.

[@damasterpiece08]

companies tend to nerf drivers for old cards to make you buy new ones. nvidia has been caught a few times doing it but amd does it as well

[@WilliamStewart1]

There's less than a 50w difference between the two during use, not worth mentioning imo. From what I'm seeing with thermals, they're actually both quite comparable during use as well. A tuf 7800xt idles at 38, and peaks at 75, a 3x tuf 4070 idles at 36, and peaks at 74. The reference 4070 idles at 39 and peaks at 83.

[@giucafelician]

It's crazy how irrational the world can be! People continue to buy products that are purposely designed to become outdated, just because they have the brand name "Nvidia" on them. But when it comes to factors like thermal performance and energy efficiency, the new AMD cards actually excel. If you stick with Nvidia, you'll end up spending more money because in two years you'll have to buy a new video card. And the current one might not even have enough VRAM! It's unbelievable how illogical the world can be.

[@hotbitch3978]

​@@WilliamStewart1I've seen the difference climb to 70-100w, nothing to sneeze at

[@zeroyum1473]

The RTX 4070 with 16GB and 256-bit memory bus would make it my choice. The 192-bit bus just totally makes it a no go for me.

[@niyazzmoithu20]

In that case giving $100 more to Nvidia doesnt matter.

[@Skotty64081]

I've been leaning AMD recently due to VRAM and value issues. I was thinking of saving up for a 7900 XT a few months from now but with the 7800 XT delivering the performance I want at $500 US and being bundled with Starfield which I also wanted and without knowing how long that bundle will continue, the value of the 7800 XT was just too good to pass up. I got the PowerColor Hellhound for MSRP, a model that is $520 most places but for at least the first day or two, Micro Center was providing a $20 discount on that model and I took advantage of that too. Starfield redemption was a bit problematic as Micro Center didn't have the bundle set up right in their system at time of 7800 XT launch, and I had to go through Micro Center support to get the code, but I think they've got that sorted now.

[@andym975]

Great summary and overview of both cards! I'm wondering if the lower stock of the 7800 XT is both a marketing and PR ploy by limiting launch availability of the 7800 XT compared to the 7700 XT at only $50 less. They get the PR of a sold out of the higher tier card on launch day, better performance to their price-comparable alternative from Nvidia, while also providing a 'reasonable' alternative with the more plentiful 7700XT. That being said, at $50-100 more for a 4070, this is entirely on Nvidia with their mid-tier pricing.

[@drwalka10]

"7800 XT is both a marketing and PR ploy by limiting launch availability of the 7800 XT compared to the 7700 XT at only $50 less." ... You have any more conspiracies ?

[@NostalgicMem0ries]

im happier each day with my rx 6800 non xt that i got brand new for 380 euros

[@kittuojha]

A big thumbs up for mentioning prices outside US. In India the 7800 xt is just 30 US dollars cheaper than 4070. In indian rupees it has to go to 45-46k range to make sense instead of the 53k that it costs right now.

[@MyrKnof]

nice little nugget, but its like a year too late to really steal any market? People looking for this performance already got a 6800XT or even 6950XT for cheaps?

[@Mark-yz7ci]

Ehmm all 7800xt are sold out

[@dejanlovkovic6117]

Prices of both cards almost the same here in Croatia. Disgusting.

[@z0mb1e564]

On the multigame comparisons, it would be useful to have the bars colored by whether or not that game was playable. Maybe any game where both were under 30 fps are red, under 60 fps yellow? And really if both cards are under 30 fps, I’m not sure it’s worth including that result in the average seeing as most people aren’t going to actually play with those settings. Call it the playable average or 30+ / 60+ average.

[@fnmdp12138]

Hello, I saw that when you summarized at the end of the video, there was a frame of an NVIDIA graphics card, but it was an 8PIN interface, I remember that the 40 series was a 12PIN interface!Which AIC product is this?

[@JamieR]

That was a perfectly timed release for my search 😂 Thanks for the amazing content HWU!

[@MK-vw6vm]

I did not expect it to be so close with RT activated at cyberpunk with higher resolutions. kinda impressive.

[@olivertate4983]

Here in the UK you can get the 7800XT for £490 whereas the best 4070 deals had been just under £600. However, just today I saw a 4070 on scan for £530, so it seems Nvidia is responding!

[@HanSolo__]

Good! Give them knives and make them fight!

[@groxiverde]

£490? Wtf where?

[@Nite-Lite-Gamers]

Your Prices here in the UK are SPOT ON, althought I can only see one 7800XT in stock and the rest arriving at the end of the month. Its still a great deal with Starfield and 4gb more ram and FSR 3.0 on its way and the 16gb of ram I think will be vital when it comes to Unreal Engine 5 games going forward. Im also glad Nvidia responded by lowering their prices as this is what competition is.

[@antygod]

@@groxiverde scan, preorder though.

[@letni9506]

Cheapest I've found is £530. But it's the usual basic xfx, sapphire cards. The nvidia cards while more seem better quality models. I usually go on how much the MSI gaming cards go for.

[@Belfor09]

Glad to see you Steve going strong! You one beautiful creature! :D

[@dexter2392]

RADEON THE DESTROYER!!! Good work on the 7800xt giving the same or better performance for $100 less!

[@DeadPixel1105]

Where's my 4070 gang? Greetings, my fellow 4070 owners.

[@chriswebbtech]

Nvidia's software across the board is superior. Not just DLSS and driver support, but Nvidia Broadcast tools are awesome etc. Still if you don't use any of that, the AMD seems the way to go.

[@borisp6035]

exactly on point and all te charts you need

[@okrasarentveggies]

I was a lifetime Amd user and picked up the 4070. DLSS, RTX super video resolution, power savings, and acceleration in creative/AI apps are worth more to me than more FPS.

[@03chrisv]

Rasterization- 7800 XT ~ 0% to 20% lead on average depending on the game. Ray Tracing- 4070 ~ 10% to 30% lead on average with a couple of outliers that tie with nVidia or even favor AMD in lighter RT workloads. Path Tracing - 4070 ~ 50% to 100% faster. The 7800 XT is the better gaming GPU for the money (in the U.S.), especially if RT is not important to you. I can see the Ryzen 7800x 3D and 7800 XT being a really popular pairing for many gamers. The 4070 is the better "jack of all trades" GPU since rasterization is close enough to a 7800 XT in many games while being ahead in RT/PT and being a much better content creation GPU (video editing, 3D modeling, AI generation) Side note: Blue Lu3iz loves BBC and practically scarfs it down.

[@03chrisv]

@garrusvakarian8709 I did. In games with light RT workloads the 7800 XT isn't bad, it even ties or beats nVidia in some games, I even mentioned this in my original comment. Were you so triggered that you just tossed that out of your mind? Also different reviewers show slightly different results more in favor for nVidia in RT.

[@03chrisv]

@blue-lu3iz Cherry picking data on a handful of games under light RT workloads does not refute my claim. You clearly didn't read my whole comment where I said there are exceptions. There are other more thorough reviews out there that show a more complete picture. Its also interesting how you don't mention path tracing where you know the 4070 utterly dominates.

[@03chrisv]

@blue-lu3iz Yeah 13 games out of over a 100 that feature RT, most of the 13 games here only feature RT shadows or low resolution reflections like RE4 Remake. The kind of RT used matters. Context matters. In light RT workloads the 7800 XT does well against a 4070, but the heavier the RT the wider the gap as seen in some games like Cyberpunk or Rachet and Clank. My 4070 plays both Cyberpunk RT Overdrive and Portal RTX at 4k 60. Granted I need DLSS but the end results are what matters so I wouldn't say the 4070 is useless in path tracing, in fact I'm pretty sure the 4070 even outperforms a 7900 XTX in path tracing.

[@03chrisv]

@blue-lu3iz Your definition of whining must be anyone that disagrees with you because I'm clearly not whining lol. I truly couldn't care less about proving you wrong, the internet is at your fingertips. If you genuinely care you'd look into the matter without bias and see for yourself. But you just want to try to pin me down right now and get me in a gotcha moment just because I won't do your research for you.

[@03chrisv]

@blue-lu3iz LOL, you must be looking at old benchmarks. I do not get mid 30s at 1440p in Cyberpunk. Maybe when I get home I'll take a few screenshots and then you won't know what to say, but again I don't really care. You're just some nobody to me that's wants to start a random argument 😆

[@CorbettK42]

I purchased a 4070 very recently for €550 in Germany there were some models 7800xt available for €567 with Starfield. Ultimately I chose the 4070 because of DLSS and also felt I'd be missing out on some performance because lack of SAM with my 11th gen Intel CPU.

[@hinchlikescake7592]

With the 4070... you'd have way better power consumption which would save money in the long run. By default and by using DLSS/Frame Gen. Plus better raytracing and usable pathtracing.

[@CorbettK42]

@@hinchlikescake7592 The power efficiency is amazing apparently it's very easy to undervolt it to consume less then 140w with minimal performance loss

[@letsdig74]

I like that you brought up the pricing model is different outside the US, meaning the card is not as good value i Europe for example. Adding to that a higher power draw, this card will struggle on the market after the initial launch sale. Thanks again for very rigorous testing.

[@edrichnieuwoudt8459]

I wish Nvidia would just make a 16GB version of RTX 4070

[@niyazzmoithu20]

With bigger memory bus(otherwise it doesnt matter much).

[@drixom9805]

so I was on the fence ended up going with the 7800xt red devil. at essentially 439 because of the starfield bundle. I have had a few crashes but that was with hyper rx on. I went back to quality with everything but chill and super resolution on no issues so far.