Radeon RX 7900 XTX vs. GeForce RTX 4090, GeForce Premium Worth It?

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[@Edward135i]

The 4090 is such a ridiculous price, that really nothing can compare to it. You could build a entire system with a 7900 XTX in it for $2000.

[@haukionkannel]

This makes 5090 looks good with $2500 msrp and $3000 real price in 2025! 🤣🤣🤣 And 5080 at $1500 looks also good! and less good 5070 at $1000 and "normal" low end 5060 at $500 It is easy to predict future...

[@AleksCoreBY]

*distant cries of the poor people*

[@jrm8206]

But 7900XTX will cost 1000$ a year more in Power Usage alone 😃 Nevermind all the shit you will get with drivers and other AMD bullshit.

[@dandylion1987]

This is true. But if money doesn't matter and you just want the best card the 4090 is the one, with "worth" being subjective In that regard the 4090 is in a class.of it's own between performance and features

[@FrostyBud777]

4090 at 1844$ is 92% higher cost than the 7900xtx 960$ on PC part picker right now. I am glad I left nvidia and got my first AMD gpu/cpu this build. I love it and I have ZERO regrets. Once EVGA left nvidia, I did too.

[@josephk6136]

I absolutely love my 7900XTX. If money was no issue, obviously I would have a 4090. But for (almost) the price of a 4090, I was able to build a full PC with a 7900XTX and a 7800x3D. That is a no-brainer to me.

[@Exophobia]

Exactly what I did! :)

[@AH-video]

i did as well and as you know its kicka$$ :)

[@Descenter1976]

Same

[@Nite-Lite-Gamers]

@@Descenter1976 I splashed out when the 4090 came out, I was happy for 2 months, then I got the dreaded cable connector issue, got a refund, moved to a 7900xtx saved £1000 and bought a Alienware 3440x1440 DWF OLED with it and still had change. Im over the moon....

[@MakeSh00t]

i love my 4090 low tdp vs xtx and faster in cs 2 call of duty in raytracing xtx cost in my country 1400 euros while i payed only 2k for 4090.. so for 600 euros difference i do not regret.

[@orman2222]

Proud owner of a Sapphire Radeon 7900 XTX. Very happy with it. My first AMD card since I've always purchased Nvidia cards - from a 9800GT Ultimate, 660, 770, 970, and a 1080. They've all been good cards and never failed me. In fact, I still own my 1st card - Asus 9800GT Ultimate.

[@outrage20]

Traded my RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra for a 7900xtx, Worst decision of my life. Terrible drivers, even broken drivers, I litterally had to stay on old driver for two updates to even get games to get last splash screens. I’ll never purchase AMD anything every again, it’s not worth the headache, I’m willing to pay alittle more for intel/Nvidia hardware if it means it’ll just work. Should of never strayed from team blue/green

[@orman2222]

@@outrage20 I had issues with drivers as well, but after a complete driver wipe and new install of AMD adrenaline, it solved the issue. If you haven't completely wiped all drivers before installing the 7900 xtx, it'll cause headaches and screen freezes like I had. I had issues until I completely wiped everything off my pc in GPU drivers. Hope this helps. If it hasn't, it might be another issue. Good luck!

[@akasynergy5504]

@@outrage20 Same reason why I switched to NVIDIA. Was an AMD Graphics card user for years and the drivers were always a pain. Never had an issue with NVIDIA, great new game support AND the software is the most advanced and user-friendly!!

[@NitroRacer6043]

​@@akasynergy5504not gonna lie the adrenaline software is better than nvidias laughable control panel

[@Pleasiotic1]

@@outrage20 Sounds like user error, or were you simply paid to post this?

[@Simoxs7]

I‘m really happy that both with Upscaling and without gets included in these benchmarks. That way everyone gets applicable results for themselves.

[@RealLordShaxx]

even nicer that upscaling is common enough to even consider it.

[@Simoxs7]

@@RealLordShaxx I thought upscaling was the norm (for benchmarks) now so I was happy to still be included as someone who (unfortunately) dislikes Upscaling. (Unfortunately because I could’ve bought a cheaper GPU otherwise)

[@flitai]

The price equivalent makes AMD faster running two xtx's at the moment. Also a BIG issue with his FSR testing, always always always Ultra Performance then make custom Ultra/high settings otherwise you're not getting the true performance. You don't notice quality difference at all between FSR actually being enabled at quality versus ultra performance or performance.

[@simonbaker7462]

Upgraded from a nvidia 1080 to a sapphire nitro 7900xtx, absolutely amazing card and very happy with it. I also upgraded to an AMD system at the same time with a 7800x3d 32gb ram, 2tb samsung m.2 on a 32" 1440p monitor.

[@shrimpwalk8230]

That is an insane upgrade, I went from 1070 and ryzen 2600x to 13900k and 4090 myself, I was absolutely blown away by the difference in performance. Makes sense looking at it on graphs, but actually experiencing the difference in person is unreal.

[@Assassin2928]

Do you have coil whine?

[@carlosxdlo2802]

i upgrade from 1060 to 4090 last year also is limited edition 4090 eva-02 that why i did cost me a lot also import from USA

[@Silentguy_]

@@Assassin2928At this point I can’t escape coil whine no matter what card I have lol. Thank god it’s only when I first load up certain games though.

[@simonbaker7462]

No it's a pretty quiet, I do have quite a big noctua cooler for my CPU that I can hear.​@@Assassin2928

[@brentonevans5643]

Personally I went with a 7900xtx. I just cannot justify the price differences here in Australia between the 490, 480 and the 7900xtx

[@ardi1606]

Here in Indonesia, the 4080 is $50 cheaper on average than the 7900 XTX.

[@brentonevans5643]

@@ardi1606 If that were the case here I would of gone with the 4080. Here in Aus the 7900xtx starts around the $1500 where as the 4080 starts around the $1850. I was able to snag my 7900xtx for sale under the $1500 mark which allowed me to put a waterblock on it for less then a typical 4080

[@DenisBriski]

Same here at Europe ATM. I bought a MSI 7900XTX for 1000€ (1100USD), and the cheapest RTX4090 from a reputable brand is 2100€ (2300USD), while RTX4080 is around 1400€ (1550USD)

[@AH-video]

@@brentonevans5643 i'm in australia as well and build a whole highend rig for the price of a 4090

[@stonecold91]

The extra $$$ do not justify the fire hazard either..at least for the 4090

[@21trademark]

Honestly I could have got a 4090 but wanted to see what a full AMD build would be like. I am not disappointed my 7900xtx does everything at the highest settings for 1440 and with a 7900x cpu. The software is easy to use and I have not had a single issue yet.

[@user-xf3cu4le5z]

Does your amd application have to be open during your game in order for your customizations to work? Or can you just set and forget?

[@user-xf3cu4le5z]

@@Aluminium-Can awesome ty for the reply

[@lam7834]

how are the colors on your AMD? min are really bad, every game has a white glance over it and theres nothing that can be done about it. now im looking to go to NVIDIA

[@dubsessed9790]

Maybe thats FSR? It's honestly not very good at the moment, see if you have that turned on and disable it to test if the image quality improves. I hope they improve FSR soon, I wasn't impressed with it side by side with dlss in quality mode

[@ahwayzcool4630]

I have the 7900xtx also and very happy with it. Never had any issues at all with it. Also have 6800 xt.

[@DeHandleDieJeWistDatZouKomen]

Hey Steve and Tim, wanted to mention that your B-rolls are the smoothest of all tech channels out there! Great lighting and zero stuttering, awesome! Keep up the good work! 18:19

[@birdo8547]

Already bought the 7900xtx with a 7800x3d. The price and connector burning concerns steered me clear of the 4090 as I have also stuffed it all into a Dan A4-H20.

[@helljester8097]

Sweet

[@pseudoscientist8010]

But them all, no one cares

[@amodmishra3030]

What do you do for a living?

[@LIFEOFSTUFFEDANIMALS]

I have that case too! It’s great

[@venusprinzj8094]

So should the broken Vapor Chamber design on the 7900XTX, that was a big thing at release. None Talks about anymore but if some dude uses a bad Adapter on the 4090, its Nvidias Fault Xd

[@krazyfrog]

20:16 What's happening here is the shader cache resetting with new game updates, which in Fortnite means horrible stuttering until all the shaders are rebuilt since it's UE based. This isn't really a Radeon issue but rather an Epic/UE issue.

[@Bunta1987qwerty]

It’s also true anytime you update drivers. Playing any game for the first time will have stutters as the shaders are rendered for the first time, after which they’re cached.

[@proklet4694]

But why this does not happen on nVidia gpu?

[@firstavenger4724]

Isn't that because of dxnavi?

[@htoomyatlin123]

It is an epic issue but Nvidia somehow made a workaround for it. AMD should also be able to make one if Nvidia can

[@Bunta1987qwerty]

@@proklet4694 one possible reason could be that their drivers use asynchronous shader compilation. I don’t know if this is actually the case though.

[@erictayet]

Nice review as always. Didn't expect any surprises. Xtx was maxed out the day I bought it. Finished Phantom Liberty with RT reflection and FSR2.1. CPR should update to FSR 3 soon. I see ghosting and simmering at 4K FSR quality. Think I prefer 4K native with no RT.

[@babochee]

I love that you guys do these real time - relevant reviews. Love your content, and I love my 7900XTX. Even if I did buy it for $1200 on launch. It's just that much sweeter now ;D Also, why wasn't the issue with the power connect not addressed? That was considered in my purchased and now with DeBaur's video on how he doesnt trust it, seems much more relevant.

[@biggranny000]

I got the 7900XTX red devil for $870, plus I overclocked it to 3ghz with a mild undervolt. While nearly a grand is insane for a GPU I plan on using it for years before upgrading. Much better value than the RTX 4080 and 4090.

[@worldwar208]

I did the same with a 7900xtx asrock phantom gaming the undervolt plus 15 power limit and the thing rips.

[@ChowHound1337]

7900xtx Red devil is a beast, managed to snag for 780. But ended up selling for decent profit to fund 4090

[@pr0gre551ve]

My 7900XTX Liquid Devil with UV and OC gives ~20% more than default card... getting pretty close to 4090

[@M7hero]

Imagine if 4090 had a fair price of 1000$…. Nvidia’s greed is sad.

[@shebeski]

Better value than the 4080? Lmao no.

[@joeyr184]

One pro that is never really mentioned for AMD GPUs is that the Adrenalin Software is really good. You can overclock or undervolt each game separate at the touch of a button.

[@X2yt]

As someone who's used exclusively AMD cards for the last 10 years, let me tell you: Adrenalin is pure garbage. Nobody in their right mind should use it, especially if overclocking. It is convenient sometimes, especially since it has Ryzen Master integration, but man, what a piece of trash it is. Out of 8-9 computers I've had in the last 10 years or so, not a single one had properly running AMD software for longer than 2-3 weeks. First it was Catalyst Center, then it was Crimson center or w/e that was called, now it's Adrenalin. But essentially, it's the same borked native driver manager AMD keep rebranding. It does work in a few week intervals, before it breaks, and most of the time the only solution is fresh windows reinstall. Like 80% of OS reinstalls in my entire life happened because of AMD's garbage software. For the last few years I've just been installing the driver raw, without Adrenalin, and it worked like a charm. To be fair, I've got no clue how Nvidia's control center behaves, so it might be just as enormous burning pile of trash, but I haven't used Nvidia, so idk. AMD's control software is horrible, tho. If you want proper overclock, use Afterburner.

[@not_a_samsquamsh6777]

Been using AMD since my first system with a R9 390. Never had any major driver related issues, and adrenaline has been a massive upgrade over what they had back then. Used over R9 390, R9 Fury, Vega 56, Vega 64, 6800XT, and now 7900XTX. chill has caused stuttering for me on Vega but that went away on 6800XT. Overclocking/undervolting has been quite poor on my 7900XT. Seems like no matter how little I move clocks or voltage, it'll eventually get game crashes. But it's perfectly happy if I leave those alone and just bump up the fan curve. I've built a couple PCs for friends upgrading, and chose 6800s and 6650's, and both have been happy with no issues. Both give a big plus for not needing a login for the drivers, along with broken drivers in games like fallout 4 that nvidia hasn't fixed on their end.

[@amp2193]

i like the software. works good for overclocking/undervolting for me. been using amd since 590. no complaints at all, no driver issues no problems at all to be honest. i also run 3 monitors 1 Ultrawide 2 standard, all diff resolutions and never gave me trouble with that either

[@akcesoriumpc6421]

@not_a_samsquamsh6777 well I have different experience amd adrealine is utter trash garbage first high idle power consumption coming from adrealine garbage software, with my trio monitor setup i idle at 100w, not fixed to this day...record&streaming tab crashes adrealine not fixed to this day, there are hundreds of pages of same problems over Internet, so your "never had problem" is pure bs to me

[@not_a_samsquamsh6777]

@@akcesoriumpc6421 oh yeah, that's an issue i've had since going to the 7900XTX. Even after their driver"fix" it still pulls around 100 watts idle at desktop. Recording and streaming has never caused an issue for me. I use it almost on a daily basis when gaming for instant replay. But, i'm also only using one monitor.

[@c.j.1089]

I appreciate the updated 7900XTX review, especially with all the driver maturity in the last year.

[@robbiec3548]

Yes but which one will run reddit for 8 hours a day best, whilst I stare blankly at my Steam library?

[@Edge9404]

Your iGPU 😂

[@stephenn504]

I had no idea the 7900xtx was that close to the 4090 in pure raster. I figured it was a much wider gap. 30% less performance for 50% lest cost. Seems like a no brainer.

[@spankeyfish]

Raytracing is what the 4090 really leads at. If you can put up with less or no raytracing, the 7900XTX will have all the performance you're likely to need.

[@X_irtz]

@@spankeyfish Even then, unless we are talking about Pathtracing, i think 7900 XTX does fine, considering how bad it was for 6000 series.

[@innopriest]

Unless you like RT then it's a No-brainer for the 4090. 4090 is always better for ML workloads and most science workloads since they're HW accelerated with CUDA and Tensor cores. As not just a gamer it seemed silly not to get the 4090(although I bought it a year ago before recent price hikes too).

[@Masoch1st]

@@innopriest "unless you like RT then its a no brainer for the 4090" makes absolutely no sense. and no one here was talking about ML or science workloads. wtf are you even talking about. lets just hop in the comments section and spew off some totally unrelated nonsense no one cares about.

[@Masoch1st]

the average is closer to 20 not 30.

[@kurt8327]

Thanks steve. Also, as for Warzone, I've noticed some weirdness with the 7900xtx as well. In zombies, there are certain areas where my fps will consistently drop to 100-120fps. It is easily repeatable at the exact same spots every game. Oddly enough, this doesn't seem to happen in regular warzone BR and I tend to sit around 250 fps (1440 native, low/medium settings, 7800x3d). Which mode do you test in?

[@mickd2533]

These results are not accurate at all. Amd performs great in wz. They screwed the test.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

They're 100% accurate, you can see user testing here confirming them: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4nXnJJvd5iYes0si=pTWd6oF_XTkELVPl&t=299

[@GodSEndOMG]

Graet job. Nice with the competetitive benchmarks. Surprised it was so big a grab in warzone and fortnite.

[@Felix-ko8gv]

Here in Sweden with our expensive part prices the 4090 is ridiculously overpriced at around 2500 US dollars minimum. For comparison I just bought a 7900xtx for 1150 US dollars and the 4080 is at least 1450… hopefully I don’t regret my purchase when the 4080 super releases!

[@MorganReidguitar]

Why don't you just buy from Mindfactory or something? You're in the EU.. no taxes, tarifs etc.

[@dssd7685]

Trust me 4080 super will cost 250+ more than 7900 xtx so you will not regret anything Nvidia overprice everything

[@jal.ajeera]

Lol. 4080S is 999. 4080 price drop incoming.

[@samarkand1585]

@@jal.ajeera source?

[@razvanfodor5653]

@@jal.ajeera Keep dreaming.

[@TheSyntheticSnake]

Good vid to see. Something that might be interesting is theres been some recent tests showing RDNA3 to be faster on Linux using RADV than it is on Windows by a decent margin on average. Worth considering

[@swagfella2780]

Not worth considering if its on linux

[@Silentguy_]

⁠@@swagfella2780 Why? Linux has become much more popular in recent years and gaming is infinitely more viable than it used to be thanks to Valve and Proton.

[@roccociccone597]

@@swagfella2780 well it’s faster and the drivers are massively better.

[@aviatedviewssound4798]

Amd driver have always been trash and got annihilated by the radv linux one.

[@roccociccone597]

@@aviatedviewssound4798 they're not even that bad on windows. People just like to shit on them

[@UnboxingEngineer]

Love my 4090 at 4K. Bought for MSRP $1599 back in April

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What are your specs?

[@UnboxingEngineer]

@@MrAnimescrazy 7950X3D Asrock B650E Taichi Lite 32GB 6000 CL30

[@silvio4819]

Thanks for the comparison! ^-^

[@darkerdelirium]

Thank you Steve for redoing this comparison. Currently running a 5800x3d + 7900XTX (Nitro+) and I couldn't be happier with my purchase. For roughly £1300 in total, upgraded from a 2700x+ RTX2080 Super and my gameplay experience went stratosferic. Yes, I could have paid another £1000 for a 4090, but for mostly single-player games that I play it didn't make any sense. And your 18% - 21% (non RT/Upscaling) conclusion just reinforces I made the right decision. Yes, RT is nice, but not for twice the money.

[@justinpatterson5291]

You and I had and have very similar systems. I went from a 2600X and 2060, to a 5800X3D and a 7900 XT.

[@ShadowLady1]

And your house won't burn down cause you didn't blow 2000 dollars on the most unnecessary gpu

[@ninitch42]

IF you game in 4K, no other gpu is worth it..

[@beegyoshi6525]

RT isn't even nice, I find it hard to tell the difference in gameplay except in screenshots or close examination

[@bigbob3772]

and you can UV/OC and get 10-20% increase in perf on the xtx- spitting distance with the 4090.

[@Valenzx718]

I bought a 7900XTX to replace a 3070 and I don't regret it at all. I ended up picking up the card for $850 from Micro Center.

[@eternalbeing3339]

That is a good deal. Alot of performance for less than $1000.

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@youtubepidariWhere? Was it used?

[@jordanlok365]

@@youtubepidari i got mine and its a rock

[@ericthedesigner]

I love your companies content! Hope you keep enjoying making videos for a long time. You guys always create such an interesting perspective and insight into products.

[@ravenxcr]

I tried xess with my 7900xtx on CyberPunk 2077 and was actually surprised to find frame rate and image quality was better over fsr 2.0. This was just trying out for fun a few months back. Somewhat curious, what the benchmarks would look like doing xess certified games with both amd and nvidia gpu's for fun. Great content and keep up the excellent work!

[@Son37Lumiere]

I did the same with my 7900 XT but got lower performance with xess.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

I'm very happy with my RX 7900 XTX. If you enjoy gaming, and don't rely too much on RT, it's great for the money. Insane FPS. I don't believe the 4080 to be a "Step up" from the 7900XTX (except in price)

[@matthewhammond5902]

I got mine this christmas, super happy. Dead Space remake looks godly.

[@blacksheepshepherd]

Actually, when we game. There no time to focus to see how beautiful the Ray tracing are shown on screen.

[@dssd7685]

Rt is garbage marketing stunts from ngredia shinny lighting to sell more garbage down Nvidia fanboys throat dumping in their mouth with shiny bottom crack of ngreedia for fanboys to look at in amazement while throwing away money

[@jal.ajeera]

Lol. Single digit percentage difference in raster in favour of AMD and double digit difference in RT in favour of Nvidia...clearly the 4080 is a step-up. In price too. If both were similarly priced, it'd be top tier foolishness to go for the AMD card.

[@dssd7685]

@@jal.ajeera Nvidia is garbage their only marketing is lighting in game rt bs selling point lol

[@user-nj8fy4px8x]

If you're buying a 4090 in the States, buy from a brick and mortar store (Best Buy / Micro Center). They still sell them for $1699 depending on model. (Last week BB had MSI Gaming Trio for only $1599).

[@tokageebo]

You're high dude

[@TerraWare]

@@tokageebo He's right actually. Even though they arent as commonly stocked as they used to be I have seen 4090's for those prices at my local Micro Center. They had a TUF OC 4090 a couple of weeks ago for $1799. I paid the same price over 14 months ago at same place.

[@ms3862]

@@tokageeboyour mom was high last night

[@ScholarsInk]

No, he's right. Best Buy gets regular stock of the FE and other MSRP cards. So does MC though both have been constrained recently. I'd never buy one of those marked up cards, and no one really has to. It just takes a few weeks of checking BB's site and you'll see the 4090. Buy it and you're good to go.@@tokageebo

[@JoeMama-yl1ow]

I bought mine from microcenter and paid $2000 before prices went up over a year ago strix oc

[@sharkhudson3282]

Congrats on 1mil subs! well deserved!

[@pageup213]

Just noticed the channel has over 1 million subscribers now, congrats lads, very well deserved. Hardware Unboxed remains a trusted source for PC parts information - I've gone with a number of choices for my setup based on the info I found here, never a regret. All the best for 2024.

[@XBnPC]

Got my XFX 7900 XTX I'm March for $950 and have been LOVING GAMING ❤️ Just fished Immortals of Aveum totally maxed out at almost 100fps avg and Everything just plays exceptionally well. I'm Super Excited for the future too with a ton of UE5 games on the way and having UE5 perform so well. The future is bright indeed! Highly recommend it if you can afford one 💯

[@DrMateen36]

1080p i presume?

[@Explorer374]

Bruh my 4060 is getting a 80-100fps in 1440P playing Aveum HAHAHAHAHAHHAA such a shame GPU worth of $950 can only get 100fps in Aveum

[@Son37Lumiere]

@@Explorer374 A 4060 gets less than 40 fps at 1440p low in that game genius. Tell us more bs.

[@risingbull4525]

I went with the 7900 xtx and could not be happier with it. The money I saved by buying it, I was able to buy a new monitor. So it was a no brainer for me.

[@vladimirljubopytnov5193]

And it does not melt...

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I bought my parts earlier in the year for an all white high end build with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram in the white phanteks nv7 case. I wanted the best of the best and I definitely have it. I also keep the pc clean.

[@sir_mahony_1194]

Hi, one question. Are your results on stock or with oc plus sam? Because especially sam can boost the xtx up to 25%? Thanks for answering...

[@t0mn8r35]

Still an interesting comparison. Thank you!

[@CYellowan]

Enjoying my 7900XT. Can't see a purpose behind the XTX, and the peformance uplift from my Vega64 (1080ti performance) was astronomical.

[@Valkross9]

Is it just me or is the 7900XTX looking better despite the lower fps overall, but having closer margins between average and 1% low? If I'm understanding it right, that means less perceivable stutter.

[@Slushkin]

My XTX looks good even at 4K 30fps on cyberpunk. Very very smooth. Those 1% and 0.1% lows is what makes your game look smoth vs just having fluctuating high fps.

[@adamn7125]

Probably because the 4090 is using more of the cpu. Also limiting that card's fps will make it both stable and higher than that if the 7900xtx's

[@Slushkin]

XTX has more consistent 1% and 0.1% lows. These being more consistent and stable makes the game look smoother. Having more FPS is important for upscaling and the new frame generation for sure though

[@zbrutalis]

can you do a dedicated video on the preview driver fluid motion frames in all these titles just curious on the image quality vs perf jump.

[@blackasthesky]

Interesting results. Thanks! :)

[@bonhomie6275]

I got my Asrock FG 7900xtx a few day ago, at the end of December. Pair it with my 7800x3d and both go 4k 144hz ultra setting in game without a sweat (+300mhz OC and undervolt for GPU)😊

[@Nydrin]

Really glad I was able to pick up my 4090 for cheaper over the summer, the prices right now are insane.

[@JPG126]

Its on purpose - Nvidia know they are releasing the Super variants soon, so they jack up the prices of the current cards so that their Super prices don't look so horrendous (which they will be).

[@milo8425]

It's not on purpose. It's the market. 4090s are the go-to AI toy right now unless you wanna spend 6k on an enterprise card. Blame the reviewers for not seeing this coming; all of us in AI have been warning about this for a year but the reviewers are too lazy to learn how to judge these cards in that arena. AMD just can't AI like NVIDIA can but they think it doesn't matter because reviewers tell us "wow it's got 500 fps rasterized for 1100 bucks what a great card" which is beyond irrelevant to the market. If they'd been hounding Intel and AMD to make consumer level AI cards those companies would be killing it and 4090s would be 1200 bucks.

[@i_grok_u2902]

Same- I got it for $1560 after rebate= so, so glad I did.

[@RicochetForce]

@@milo8425 Thank you for breathing truth and facts into this discussion. It's insane how gamers are seemingly unaware of the political situation going on. And how the 4090 is a nice way to circumvent blocks to gain access to powerful machine learning hardware. And you're dead on that the failure of Intel and AMD to compute on the AI side is allowing Nvidia to run rampant with prices. And that's before we get to productivity where the 4090 stomps the XTX.

[@StretchDattass]

@@milo8425 why is it the reviewers fault when thats not their area of expertise? To the average consumer AI was the thing that makes the NPC enemies do the thing in whatever games youre playing and not much else. pre-GPT no one on the consumer side gave 2 shits about AI performance, so why is it on reviewers, who have a primarily consumer based audience, to test something that 99% of their audience doesnt know exists? What use do I, as a normal ass consumer, have for knowing Ai performance? Literally none, so why is it on the reviewers to show something 99% of us have no interest in?

[@g00dgh0st]

Nice to see a refresher on this match up.

[@isonoe2425]

I‘m a living room, game pad addicted, single player 4K oled tv dude type. I finished my 2000 euro 7900xtx setup yesterday and i‘m pretty happy with the result.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What are your specs for your entire set up?

[@isonoe2425]

@@MrAnimescrazy Lg48cx Msi tomahawk b650 wifi 7800x3d 32gb gskill flare x5 6000mhz Be quiet pure 12 850w 7900xtx asrock phantom oc Artic liquid freezer II 240 in the top. In a quite small black fractal north. Original intake fans in the front and an Arctic P12 pwm in the back.Non rgb, functional budget 4k setup.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@@isonoe2425 nice a high end build.

[@isonoe2425]

@@MrAnimescrazy We will see how happy i will be in the nearer future. It‘s my first amd gpu. The driver/amd adrenalin is some kind of “fragile”. Had some problems the last days to get a stable undervolt config in cyberpunk. E.g. I set up a good config, that runs good at 1100mv/2950mhz, so I safed it. After loading the config the next day, I got instantly a green screen. Some kind of software mystery 😂 Never had such issues with NVIDIA in combination with the msi afterburner and my 3080. But it’s some kind of motivating to learn, how my unit works and reacts to changes and other settings 🤪

[@V0liathon]

​@@isonoe2425 I'm curious, what's your opinion now after a month? Never had AMD Card b4

[@Lauterec]

The 4090 at $2000, closer to $2200, is absolutely ridiculous. I got mine used for $1100 6 months ago because I wasn't willing to pay $1600, glad I did.

[@nossy232323]

Damn you got an extremely good deal!

[@GewelReal]

who the hell would sell 4090 already??

[@ProbablyNotAChicken]

@@GewelReal Someone who'd rather not risk burning their house down

[@Lauterec]

@@GewelReal It was from an Alienware. Guy fell on hard times and no one was buying the whole thing so he parted it out at what I imagine was a pretty big loss.

[@thomasschraubt7497]

so you bought a 4090 with a questionable cooler and no warranty? @@Lauterec

[@johngalactus4014]

Whoa, I'm early. Also another great video from HUB!! 4090 is the way to go if you're into Ray Tracing, but I think the value that the 7900 XTX brings is remarkable.

[@andhikanazrilshidiq8062]

As we progress into further utilization of the current gen consoles, it is only inevitable that games will start being designed with RT in mind. Radeon GPUs as they stand at the moment aren't the “Value King” people would love to believe they are.

[@andhikanazrilshidiq8062]

@@Aluminium-Can Yeah??? And guess what? The consoles have been getting the shortest end of the stick every step of the way when it comes to Ray Tracing. They constantly have to try & cut the right corners to get RT to work, which is workable on consoles but not so much on PC. This would only mean that going with an RTX will give you a far greater comparative performance to these consoles than a Radeon ever will. Maybe just use your brain a little before assuming that the other person doesn't know shit.

[@thomasschraubt7497]

so consoles hold my 4090 back, well played AMD ;) @@Aluminium-Can

[@HosakaBlood]

Let face it at 1000$+ for a gpu 90% of the buyer do not cared about value

[@Shvraz]

was sam on or off during warzone tests? because an amd equivalent card is usually better in warzone for avg fps

[@UTFapollomarine7409]

Usually the guys benchmark AMD don't overclock use Sam and fluid so it's gonna make geforce look dominant really that 7900 xtx just as fast in most areas even faster in others

[@isaiahscaggs]

What cpu did you use for this testing? What's the best cpu to pair with them?

[@FrostyBud777]

I ambsolutely love my PowerColor Hellhound 7900xtx. I have used up to 23 gb vram and even ran two games at once by accident a few times. Very Good card for 999$ in february. I love FSR3 and am having a blast with Avatar:FOP. I highly recommend the 7900XTX! I paired it with the 7700x and now own my first AMD cpu/gpu computer in my life. I was nvidia only buyer past 20 years. Intel only too. I am so glad I went to AMD and would never go back.

[@hugo49i]

How's the coil whine? The Hellhound is 1000€ and the Nitro is 1200€. I guess it's not worth the 200€ more?

[@HorseWithSnakeLegs]

@@hugo49i mine is fine, under 200 fps i dont hear coil whine over the pc fans and PC itself

[@hugo49i]

@@HorseWithSnakeLegs thank you. I will get the Hellbound and pur that money into extra ram

[@FrostyBud777]

no coil whine at all, perfectly silent. If you want higher power limits and better fps , go with higher version but for me, adding 15% power limit to hellhound 7900xtx only gives 2-3 fps but uses 415 watts instead of default 360 on this particular card. @@hugo49i

[@1nown]

Now, imagine if crossfire and SLI weren't dead and you could squeeze at least 40-50% out of it on a multi-display system...

[@26Guenter]

Technically it's not. DX12 allows for multi-gpu usage it's just on the devs to enable it.

[@innopriest]

My original plan for last years PC was dual 7900XTX but since that clearly wasn't really a thing when it launched I just went a 4090.

[@flufficornss]

sli actually destroys latency and is really bad for gaming nowadays

[@MattJDylan]

Frame time goes: "fine, I guess I'll just kill myself then..."

[@Saddedude]

Really wish it could be updated and made usefull again...

[@travisgarland840]

which ray tracing settings did you have on for cyber punk? I turn on ray tracing for my 7900 xtx, yes my fps drops but not to 15.

[@esaedvik]

Wish you'd tag the charts properly as RT/Non-RT/DLSS/FG whatever. (nice to have it on the timeline though) And maybe add a dollars per frame chart too. Will be interesting to see if FSR3 makes any difference.

[@khnguyen141]

Double the price but not double the performance.. I’d be curious to see how an over clocked 7900xtx stacks up against a stock 4090.

[@UKKNGaming]

Doesn't matter AMD has AFMF in the drivers whatever number you're seeing here just times it by 2. The 7900XTX beats out the 4090 especially after FSR 2 is enabled on quality with AFMF.

[@Kiyuja]

apart from the fact that AMDs solutions get criticized for looking quiet a bit worse than Nvidias offerings its also kinda crazy that you allow AMDs card to use upscaling and FMF meanwhile you do not allow it on the competing card that offers the same feature?? thats crazy dude@@UKKNGaming

[@wretchedslippage3255]

I'm glad I picked my 4090 up a few months ago literally days before it went through the roof. Got the MSI Gaming X Trio version for 1400 usd

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What are your specs?

[@Stevecad_]

Love that format, of the charts with the upscaling also

[@mariomolnar3184]

great sum-up

[@beachslap7359]

I feel like even 900$ is too much to pay for a single PC component for an average person. If you have to stress about it (can only afford 7900 XTX but not 4090), you're shopping out of your budget. Just go with one of more budget options like 4070 or 7800 XT.

[@DebasedAnon]

It is very expensive but it's not AS expensive as it appears on paper because of inflation. The GTX 980Ti, which launched at 650$ back in 2015 and was the best card for gaming, would be almost 850$ in todays dollars. The 7900XTX at 900$ would be around 700$ if it launched in 2015. So yeah I agree it's on the pricey end but its not abysmal, the 4090 is definitely abysmal though but they can do it cause AMD doesn't have a close enough competitor (i'd argue the 7900XTX is close enough but the general customer base disagrees).

[@AleksCoreBY]

Welcome to new reality, prices will not go down. You stop playing PC or you buy for what it sells for, or you buy some really budget solutions there will be no other choice. Actually it isnt something new. Prices always go only UP and people keep waiting for lower prices but it only go higher and higher

[@oogwaythesussyturtle]

and the crazy thing is that u actually seem rather brutal for saying that. just 3-4 years ago, i couldn't even imagine spending over 500 usd for a gpu. it's just insane to think that we had gpus like the 1080ti, 2080 super, 3080 for 700 usd and then straight up 1200 for the 4080. hell, we r getting a 40 fucking 60 for 500 usd rn. that's just ridiculous. and all of this not even considering the fuckery nvidia did with the laptop skus. we r basically getting a 4070 level of performance for the price of a 4090. idk what the hell is going on with nvidia. if this goes on, i think this is really it for pc gaming.

[@AleksCoreBY]

yeah im looking at them@@Aluminium-Can

[@attepatte8485]

Why does no one have a pc all of a sudden. 🤔

[@joshhummel22]

Games play phenomenally well on XFX 7900 XTX. I got it in March of last year got 949 and I wouldn't trade a minute of my joy or the future. With 24GB VRAM it's future looks Bright especially with UE5 doing very well and tons of games coming using that tech. I believe it has been the best value in high end gaming. Looking forward to a price drop when the Super cards come out. I'd highly recommend it if it's a hundred bucks less

[@rinserofwinds]

Can we get a current streaming codec comparison? 😊

[@d3thray718]

What settings are you using in Cyberpunk? I have basically a carbon copy of your AMD test rig and I’m getting WAY better results at 21:9 1440p both ray tracing and without native and FSR

[@EasternUNO]

I am owner of high refresh rate 4K monitor and I love ray tracing. That's why I bought RTX 4080. It's much more cheaper than RTX 4090 and much more better than 7900 XTX in ray tracing especially. I would buy 7900 XTX for lower resolutions. It makes more sense there, but not for 4K especially when you want ray tracing on.

[@tokageebo]

You got a high refresh rate monitor to play games @4k + ray tracing on at sub 30 FPS? Make it make sense

[@EasternUNO]

@@tokageebo I am using upscaling technologies such as DLSS3 which boosts the FPS by a lot

[@MrEL91N]

that isn't true though. the only games you are hitting 4K sub 30FPS in is maybe cyberpunk and that's with max settings and PATH TRACING (not just ray tracing) turned on. Which in reality isnt even an issue cus DLSS 3.5 and frame gen put you well over 60FPS. You are getting a near native resolution end product and any latency from frame gen is extremely negligible. Mostly all other titles you can hit 4K 60+ FPS with no issue. @@tokageebo

[@deadscene1]

@@EasternUNO well what's the point of 4k , if you using upscalling , is like gaming on a 1400-1800p monitor haha

[@MariBorow]

@@deadscene1 no, it's not like that. For bigger screens 4k 165Hz with DLSS 3 it's way better then 1440p. But someone who don't have it and never saw it won't understand it ;)

[@DePrimeYT]

I got my 4090 for €1600, even for that price it hurts but seeing the pricing now above €2100 is ridiculous and totally not worth it in my opinion

[@eternalbeing3339]

Wait for the 4090 super. The pricing will be really outrageous and it will still sell.

[@theyoungjawn]

@@eternalbeing3339 Probably wont be a 4090 Super or TI. They have no competition at that level and their flagship is already going for 2k.

[@xdynamics2561]

No chance of a 4090 super.

[@youtubeaccount7544]

no new 4090 super i wish

[@christianmino3753]

Something is off with the cyberpunk results. Is upscaling accounting for anything other than the "Quality" preset? I had an RX 6800XT paired with an i5 12600k and at 1080p using XESS/FSR (I found the framerate was similar, but FSR looked better indoors and XESS looked better around foliage/trees and fire/smoke) I got around 120 fps average at 1080p. The 6800XT has since started artifacting and has been replaced with an RTX 3080, to varying results. I honestly preferred the extra VRAM on the 6800XT for gaming with ultra textures on my TV, which is 4k. I mean I can use path tracing now at 1440p using upscaling, so depends on the game because I'm playing through RDR2 right now and the game looks incredible at 4k, so I value texture resolution a little more than I do in other games, but on my next play through of cyberpunk, I will probably value the rt performance because I am on a 1440p monitor now and the RX 6800XT couldn't keep up while using RT at 1440p like it did at 1080p.

[@bobbylandrum9359]

Was this with SAM enabled? I missed that.

[@jesusfreakster101]

Waiting for 4080 super… if it’s closer to 7900 xtx pricing. Thank you sir!

[@GreggRoberts]

I have both of those cards. I shelved the 7900xtx about 9 months ago when ATI couldn't allow Pimax. What's weird is that in flight simulator my 7950 cpu gets really hot (80C), and the 4090 stays around 40C. The CPU cools down to about 60C when I change the power thingy to balanced instead of high performance but I get the same framerates.

[@LeLe-pm2pr]

the tJmax of zen4 chips is 95°C for regular ones and 89°C for 3d-vcache chips, your cpu wasn't throttling at all. the issue with zen4 cpus is that the IHS is extremely thick, leading to generally bad thermal transfer but it isn't really an issue as those chips sip power

[@GreggRoberts]

@@LeLe-pm2pr Thanks for that info. Is there anything I can do to fix the hi temp? I guess it's not that big of a deal because of what you said but I'm just curious.

[@LeLe-pm2pr]

​@@GreggRoberts eco mode, or just a lower power preset, is an option, and it shouldn't lower performance that much, as amd chips generally show insanely good efficiency metrics at lower power levels

[@solastro5595]

Try undervolting

[@freedomofmotion]

​@@GreggRobertsdon't worry about it. They just run hot.

[@jimbonetic]

I'm still on my rock solid 1080Ti FTW3, just had a 4090 for a week and returned it. Massive performance, no shit, but I was not very convinced for such a price (2000 EURO where I live in EU) and Ultra vs. High quality in games didn't shock me that much. Sure, the Ryzen 7600 (even at 5,35Ghz) was maybe the bottleneck sometimes but still I was simply not blown away for that amount of money. I am still considering the 7900 xtx, but I have G-sync monitor and I am worried that tearing will occur (or input lag in case of vsync). What would you guys do..stick with the custom water-cooled stonehenge like OC'd 1080 Ti FTW3 and wait what this year will bring (or the next), OR should I go and buy the team green or red?

[@acetigg6690]

is ther any software needed for radeon gpus? like what nvidia has with geforce?

[@ChrissyCode]

I was considering 4080 vs 7900 xtx and chose 7900 xtx, it was very good now in repair cause hotspot issues, hopefully i should get it back soon, i miss it. It was so amazing!

[@Son37Lumiere]

If your hot spot is registering 110 that's not technically an issue. AMD have claimed they're designed for it.

[@ChrissyCode]

But as soon as i reach 110-120° hotspot i get black / blue screen and no display error on my monitor (in total around 70-80 times since i bought it)@@Son37Lumiere

[@NicholasWicks-ik6gh]

@@Son37Lumiereany company saying it’s designed to run hot is straight bullshit

[@Son37Lumiere]

@@NicholasWicks-ik6gh It's called hot spot for a reason. It's not the temperature the whole die is running at. And guess what, the chips run fine. You just need to get over it.

[@yomancardenas]

would be marvelous to see 7900xtx vs 4080 at 4K+RT+Upscaling

[@UTFapollomarine7409]

Same outcome 7900 xtx is probably 3080 performance in ray tracing maybe even 3070

[@YudaHnK]

I like your superpointless videos, keep it up 👍😊

[@Xailow]

I think it'd be useful for us that you use the same scale for all your bar graphs. Maybe group by type of game (competitive shooter, single player, etc) but seeing the max fps bar show up around the same length but the numbers are drastically different can be a but confusing.

[@klabauterbaer]

Honestly, I sometimes question the value of raytracing benchmarks. Considering that these two beasts of GPUs can't reliably put out 144fps at 4k just means that we're simply not there yet in terms of available technology.. At least not in such a reliable way that benchmarks with RTS enabled do have a huge significance. Or am I wrong here?

[@sirreal9691]

I agree. RT just tanks anything to the point it isn't worth it. Native resolution raster looks better to me than any level of RT with FSR or DLSS. I won't be using anything but raster at native for the next 3 years at least. I can't believe there are people who prefer to play that way.

[@deejay599]

"Do not buy NVIDIA products. Buy NVIDIA stocks instead."

[@Grinch-Sama]

Just got my 7900XTX for my AM5 build yesterday

[@Wes-mv9zj]

Not a pointless video. Always appreciated. =)

[@Nunkuruji]

I've been more impressed by HDR presentation than by current RT implementations. As such, I bought into the LG OLED panel, which is currently a 1440p offering, and I own a 6900 XT. The RX 7900 XTX is capable enough at 1440p, and I wouldn't blow the bank on a GeForce RTX 4090 unless I had a 4K panel I need to drive. I'll make a similar evaluation on some future next-gen purchase, where I will probably have this same monitor. I don't consider FSR/DLSS in a purchase, IMO it's a useful tech crutch for low power/mobile devices.

[@Claymireko]

Glad i'm not the only one that will not purchase a GPU based on inflated numbers by FSR/DLSS.

[@Spawn223311]

nice point with hdr

[@GameCookerUSRocks]

DLSS quality actually makes things look better in a lot of games versus traditional AA implementations. It's not a crutch at all. It also gives you extra fps with virtually no quality loss. Using DLSS also requires the GPU to use less power. There is nothing but advantages when using DLSS. I say this having a 3090 and 4090. I've used both in many games.

[@Nunkuruji]

@@GameCookerUSRocks DLSS vs TAA, sure. I can't stand temporal AA.

[@toututu2993]

​@@GameCookerUSRocksAin't worth a latency input sacrifice and terrible motion compared to native one. Is more of a sidegrade than anything

[@projectc1rca048]

The 4090 really is the best of the best when it comes to DIY desktop discrete graphics cards atm. It's a ridiculous gpu at a ridiculous price. Even if you have 4090 money I still would recommend building an entire system with the RX 7900 XTX when it comes to mostly gaming for most people. This is coming from someone who owns a 4090. But don't get me wrong, I still love my 4090 :).

[@onomatopoeia162003]

I would agree with you. That's what I would do Then spend the money I'd save on more DDR5 ram. Even though it has come down since.

[@RicochetForce]

If I had 4090 money I'd make a 4090 machine. When you're that wealthy you don't have to make that compromise. You'd get the best upscaling, the best RT, the best raster performance, the best across the board really. Especially if you play at 1440p or higher.

[@tonymorris4335]

Yea it really comes down to what you're going to do with the rest of that $1000 and many of us bought 4090s when they were 1600-1700 rather than 2000+ since that's a fairly recent change in price. Even a couple months ago 1700 was easy to find. For me that other $1000 COULD be spent on other stuff but I don't need it to be and I run a 4k high refresh display so getting 20+% more in every game plus the better DLSS experience is a no brainer. I'm not rich, but I have a narrow set of hobbies and that money just doesn't really have a better place to go to enhance my experience.@@RicochetForce

[@ScrayaZ]

@@RicochetForce yes and for free you get the highest chance of the card burning your whole pc down because of 12vhpwr cable/connector issues, congratulations. if you have no clue about it, watch der8auer english video about it or like any of the 10 other people that already spread the news but nobody really cares x)

[@MrEL91N]

this is how I looked at it. I got mine a few months ago and was able to buy it for roughly $1700 with tax. I didn't need to build a whole new system as mine is already very solid and new. I play a wide range of single player games and ray tracing really does make games look awesome. Pair that with my 4K high refresh rate monitor and I don't feel like it was a waste of money at all. I get it isn't for everyone and I understand the argument for the 7900XTX but for my situation the 4090 was the obvious choice. @@tonymorris4335

[@Impossibly-Possible]

so why didnt you change the section of map used to test to see what it was in warzone

[@KowitaG]

My 7900 xtx hellhound roams around 90-110c hotspot temp when playing games like RDR2 and killing bosses in the game Black Desert. Is that normal behavior? The GPU temp is 62c at max.

[@exige7227]

I think the 4080 and 7900xtx compare well, price and performance wise.

[@Scharamo]

In Germany the XTX comes closer to 4070 ti price then 4080.

[@Batmaximilian]

@@Scharamostimmt bro

[@daidalos1508]

@@Scharamo Gerade auf der Suche und ja hast recht, die XTX is Stabil um die 1k. Die 4080 wird 300 mehr gehandelt. Das ist der Preis für eine extra rx 6700xt... Ich suche mir gerade eine passende XTX aus

[@kulter20]

@@Scharamo The coming of the 4080 super is dropping the price closer to the XTX.

[@joshholmes1372]

​@@kulter20xtx prices will go down too

[@Leokyriacou14]

Been finally able to buy the Sapphire 7900xtx nitro+ from my 5700xt mech oc. Brilliant card :) but love to see a review regarding thermals and fan noise level for the card!

[@bobby7975]

Currently have a 4090, got it on launch day for 1500USD~ . Happy I was able to snag it when I did. when the 5000 series comes out, ill probably go with the 5080 model assuming it beats the 4090.

[@felipeavlopes]

It would be interesting (maybe not for you guys since your focus is fundamentally on gaming but still) to have some degree of GPU testing a little along the lines of your CPU testing (you know tests other than gaming benchmarks) as that would be useful for those who are interested in more than just playing games. I feel that given you guys literally don't sugarcoat stuff and say it like it is (aside from the channel having a fair degree of traction) it could be a good contribution to the audience and the industry too. Looking at the specs of cards generation after generation in a quick glance it's not hard to see that aside from some cards getting a narrower memory bus, getting less of the "conventional" cores in favor of the RT/AI upscaling bs oriented ones. For example, if you use your GPU for light 3D stuff (if you're not on a budget you're likely using a 4090 or a pair of them) but otherwise you might have to put cheaper hardware to the best use you can get so in this scenario I believe something like the 4060 is actually a worse card overall than its predecessor which had more VRAM, more CUDA cores, a wider memory bus, etc. Just a suggestion anyway (probably not up your alley but still)

[@TimmyJoePCTech]

It's funny, I switched from a 3060ti to the 7800xt and I always play directx11 mode in Fortnite. I noticed that the 7800xt somehow felt slower when I thought I would get a huge bump. Glad I'm not crazy.

[@angelicxoxoxo]

nvidia gpu is better for fortnite, rip

[@kerotomas1]

Warzone has to be bugged because generally the XTX beats the 4090 in this game. I'm sure it's the newest driver's issue. Who would have thought lol.

[@tafitson]

Why is this not on floatplane?

[@kaylee42900]

I think it's worth mentioning that in AW2, yes there's an all high RT preset but the difference from off to low is far bigger than low to high. There are non-4090 GPUs that can do low RT in AW2 at playable framerates. It's kind of to the point that I don't even think by my estimation from playing the game and from observing still screens it's worth considering high RT in AW2 this gen. You're getting defining changes just from low and a ton more fps. It's interesting from an apples to apples comparison but I do think most people should be aware you can get playable fps with that eyeball melting goodness in AW2 with direct lighting, low path traced indirect lighting and medium or high RT transparency. TL;DR seems to be if you have games that actually have good RT implementations and you want to play with them go NVIDIA (and eat the cost). If you play games with bad RT or artistic choice level RT (which tbh is a lot of them due to poor RT implementations) then go AMD and save a ton of cash.

[@HappyDrunkGamer]

Loved this video, one thing I think it does show is while AMD do need to improve RT performance, they also need to improve aspects around RT such as FSR when RT is used. FSR seems to do a decent job in terms of increasing performance in some games and is in line with DLSS in terms of uplift but with RT something seems very off, maybe Nvidia are doing something clever with RT + DLSS (maybe rending RT Effects at a lower resolution again and using the tensor cores to get it back up to native?) This video for me, also proves that full path tracing in games like Alan Wake 2, as impressive as it looks (and my god is it impressive!) the reality is it, for mainstream users, its years away from being usable.

[@ChrisM541]

Don't worry about RT - we're still at the 'shiny chrome and puddles' stage. It is 100% a gimmick, nothing more, nothing less. Only when it's used 'properly' in a game will we be able to realise it's true impact.

[@FreightTrain22]

They just need to improve FSR in general. I started playing Avatar with DLSS and decided to give FSR a try because I wanted to experience frame generation. The drop in upscaling quality was immediately noticed, especially in motion.

[@HappyDrunkGamer]

@@ChrisM541 I agree 1000% but Nvidia are pushing it and it's a stick the tech media use to beat AMD with despite it basically being Hairworks/tress FX 2.0, looks pretty, tanks your FPS does absolutely fuck all in there of game play 🤣

[@HappyDrunkGamer]

@@FreightTrain22 FSR is good, it DLSS is better, especially at lower resolutions, the issue is it's a software solution Vs a hardware one, the only way I feel AMD can make FSR better it's to add dedicated hardware to future GPUs which then kills it's biggest advantage, the fact it works on all GPUs.

[@KrastyoKrastev]

I will never spend so much money on a single gpu, but I see a HU video and I click play - it's that simple. Happy New Year guys and keep up with the amazing work!

[@AleksCoreBY]

I remember saying the same 5-10 years ago but things change

[@xpodx]

I will, 5090 will be in my pc within 2 years

[@pseudoscientist8010]

Buy a console, prices will 2x-3x like with crypto. Only this time businesses will all want AI, not just geeks.

[@swatcher1]

Thanks for the video, but... why wasn't the power consumption taken into account at all? =/

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

So I wonder what happens if you use a more midrange cpu with the overhead when using Nvidia. I think the 7900xtx would bump ahead more often in that scenario.

[@caelanb1711]

I'm glad I built my 4090 system right before the prices shot up. The 7900 XTX will definitely be a better price to performance, but I like using DLSS when possible and use RTX on single player titles so the 4090 was the product for me. At the current pricing though, I would just look at a 4080 or wait and see what the 50 series offers.

[@UKKNGaming]

For what? 7900XTX with AFMF is faster than the 4090 take every number you saw in these tests and times it by 2.

[@bigdaddyt150]

​@michaeltyson7870 it's called preference. Let alone DLSS and ray tracing performance is better on Nvida IF that's a person's thing. Any graphics card over $999 should be Superior . And you shouldn't have to use tricks to get it to perform great out the box

[@caelanb1711]

​@@UKKNGaming Very convenient of you to use frame gen to "double" your frame rates without mentioning that NVIDIA has frame gen as well and in a lot of cases can do it with less artifacting and ghosting. Not to mention that frame gen is only worth it to most people if the base frame rate is good enough to begin with. I specifically use frame gen in addition to DLSS and good game settings to get a smoother experience, but I don't have to use it as a crutch because my card is powerful enough at higher resolutions to output a good fps before using any generated frames or upscaling. Like I said in my original comment, the 4090 was the way to go for me because I play a lot of stuff that benefits from RTX and upscaling. If you don't care about those things, then sure, buy a 7900 XTX, but don't sit there and say that a single magical setting is gonna make a 7900 XTX perform better than a 4090 when the 4090 is 30-40% faster out of the box before relying on upscaling and generated frames that both of the cards have access to.

[@caelanb1711]

@@bigdaddyt150 Exactly. If you don't care about ray tracing or upscaling, then the 7900 XTX can be a compelling choice, but both AMD and NVIDIA are guilty of trying to market their upscaling and frame gen technologies as free frames with no downsides. In something like an upscaled ray tracing scenario with frame gen capped at 120fps, the 4090 is gonna be a lot smoother than the 7900 XTX because it's a lot more powerful and can pump out a higher fps before having to rely on the upscaling or frame gen.

[@bigdaddyt150]

@@caelanb1711 if I'm spending above $1000 the graphics card should be able to do everything without doing special tricks like over clocking or under volting That's why we choose to pay that insane amount of money. Love seeing people doing mental gymnastics with themselves with the 7900XTX as if they got more for $600 less . No you didn't and hardware unboxed is showing you that you didn't in most of these screen slides. Especially with DLSS and Ray tracing ON

[@robinwareham6316]

Obviously anyone can see that the 4090 is almost unanimously the king across most games for average fps. But what I found really interesting in this review but wasn't talked about, was that in almost all tests across the board at all resolutions, there was a tighter gap between the 1% lows and average fps for the 7900XTX vs 4090, which I would hazard a guess that the 1% lows in most cases be more noticeable on the 4090 with a greater fps drop. Also for the difference in price, if you were looking to upgrade both you GPU and monitor there would be a compelling argument to go for the 7900XTX where you could get a premium monitor to go with your GPU for the same price as the 4090 alone. Unless you are 100% set that "Ray-Tracing" is your top priority, I don't think I could justify the extra cost for the 4090. For me personally, the 4090 is money is no object kind of purchase where as the 7900XTX is something I've been considering trying to slip quietly past the wife without her noticing! My take is that if you have the money, sure buy the 4090 and enjoy all it's glory, but for me it just doesn't add enough value to justify the price difference.

[@Slushkin]

I actually sold my PC with a 4090 and built a better one with an XTX. You are absolutely correct, the 1% and 0.1% is a huge factor in the overall smoothness of your game. I was getting pretty high FPS with path tracing on the 4090 but my percent lows weren't as consistent. On the XTX I had less FPS but the percent lows had a much tighter gap and my game looked just as smooth. Especially using the new drivers with the FSR3 mod for cyberpunk. It honestly made me a little angry that it was looking so good despite not having as much FPS. I did a lot more research and realized that game smoothness ends up being more important than just sheer FPS. I looked back at my experience using techniques like GSYNC or FREESYNC on my past GPU's, and remembered how using some of these features actually made the game smoother at the same FPS. Good stuff sir :)

[@Caga-x_Oren_Ishii_x]

Is Thermal Grizzly processor buckle better because its price is higher or is Thermalright better?

[@kiwivda]

Owning a 4090 FE since day one, and loving ray-tracing and all the eye candy, having only 4k displays, the 4090 is the best Upgrade ever. An astonishing powerhouse overlapping 2 gen i one.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What are your specs?

[@kiwivda]

@@MrAnimescrazy 13900k, Z790, DDR5 7000 32 GB, Nvme 990 Pro, 4090, all watercooled.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@@kiwivda wow a nice build

[@kiwivda]

@@MrAnimescrazy tks

[@hugo49i]

Hey guys. I need some help, please. Should I get the 7900 xtx Hellbound for 1025€ or the Nitro for 1243€? Or should I wait for the end of this month? I'm from Portugal. Should I expect prices to drop?

[@hugo49i]

This is for a 9750x3D build (Video editing+gaming+streaming)

[@XxViciousxX]

I have the nitro plus and it is an awesome GPU but I'm not sure it is worth almost $200 more than the hellhound as a hellhound is still an awesome card too. The main reason I went with the sapphire though is everyone told me it had zero coil line Well the hellhound can have no coil wine but can also have a bunch of it so I didn't want to risk it. But for me they were the same price $1,049.

[@hugo49i]

@@XxViciousxX Yeah that's what I'm thinking. The nitro is the best for sure but the price difference it's huge. I've seen that the hellbound has some coil and I'm just concerned because I will record my voice , nothing that I wont be able to remove in Adobe Audition , I think?

[@Mark__A]

Just thinking to upgrade my 6900 XT Nitro+ for a 7900 XTX Nitro+. The only reason is my family wants another 2k gaming computer and I'm on 4K, so I can buy everything new for them, and put the 6900 in that PC. Not interested in fake frames and upscaling. Any suggestions?

[@GewelReal]

sell the 6900XT and get them 4070

[@BabisZan]

Well if you want to stay wtig AMD your only options are 7900XT and 7900XTX, in my country for example the price difference is around 200€ beetwnen the two, but personally i wouldn't buy a cheap 7900xtx because i see many reviews with bad thermals i would buy the 7900xt pulse for example which doesn't have any problems with thermals, On the other hand i wouldn't buy the same pulse edition on the rx 7900xtx and i would go for the rx 7900xtx nitro+ instead which is a beast. Tldr if you don't care about money and wanna stay amd go for the rx 7900xtx nitro+ (or similar quality from other brands)

[@shrimpwalk8230]

Honestly, your idea is preem. 7900XTX and giving the 6900XT to the fam seems pretty solid, assuming raytracing isn't something your interested in. Went for 4090 for that reason, have enjoyed it pretty thoroughly. Just kinda ought to be wary of 4080 Super launch. If that hits market and normal 4080 prices drop below 1k, it might become the better choice at the price point.

[@Mark__A]

@@GewelReal Why would I do that? Even the 6900XT is much faster in most games than the 4070. Also prefer to keep all with the same driver, easier to manage 3 PC.

[@Mark__A]

@@BabisZan 7900 XTX Nitro+ will be the chosen one. Usually I prefer Red Devil, but in the 7000 series it's not that good.

[@mint88rx8]

You can currently buy the 4090 at MSRP at Nebraska furniture Mart. It sounds hilarious but I just bought one three days ago. Granted they do not have them in stock so it’s a six week delay.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Damn and what are your specs for your pc?

[@mint88rx8]

Currently a 10700k and RTX 4070, daughter needs an upgrade to her 2060 so I guess I need to buy a 4090 if shes getting my 4070 lol@@MrAnimescrazy

[@jrmt6]

Are driver issues and game bugs still an issue with AMD cards? I've always been team nVidia for forever, but RT isn't a huge priority to me. I do have a Dell G-Sync monitor but not sure that makes a huge difference for me either. Im still on a RTX 2080 and been wanting to upgrade and the 7900XT or XTX is on my radar.

[@Son37Lumiere]

No, drivers are solid. No problems with my 7900 XT.