Raffine vs. Jinnie Fay vs. Ognis vs. Giada | Commander Clash S12E15

Giada, Font of Hope vs. Jinnie Fay, Jetmir's Second vs. Ognis, the Dragon's Lash vs. Raffine, Scheming Seer
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[@a.b.2723]

Clash on playmat where one goldfish is happily holding up a sword and the other three goldfish are face palming.

[@joeparadiselui]

can confirm, will instabuy

[@Xileph410]

If the goldfish is holding sword of kaldra, the shield and have the helmet to it will be epic 😂

[@scarecr0w630]

I was thinking more of a dagger...

[@joeparadiselui]

@@scarecr0w630 of course how could we have overlooked this. maybe the 4 goldfish are playing commander in like.. a cave... somewhere.. a secret place perhaps... for a rendezvous

[@rmreagle]

@@scarecr0w630 would HAVE to be dowsing dagger

[@oORoOFLOo]

I always sorta noticed it, but you can really see it here. Seth is extremly good at calling basically exactly the cards someone has based on their behaviours or signs. His game knowledge and intelligence are so good. It is one thing to call those things in like modern and other 60 card formats. However in format like commander where people just play random cards / efects, it is so much more impressive. Respect to you Seth. edit: loads of typos and wrong words

[@aw-qs6wt]

At least 3 Cards were directly named: angel of finality, toxic deluge and a third one + 1 indirect card: fogeffect

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

@@aw-qs6wt also Richard's fog and trickery

[@Princeofseance]

A while ago he did a video on predicting your opponents deck off of their turn one land drop

[@jackpabich763]

@@Princeofseance Do you know what it was called?

[@chadcharest9891]

The best part about playing so much jank and brewing so much is your card knowledge is just staggering. Plus he does all the spoiler announcements for the site, so if it's new he's paying attention to it. Though he said himself recently there are so many new cards these days that someone will say "What do you think about building a deck with x commander?" and he has to look it up.

[@RyanEglitis]

Hmm, seems like a single mana targeted removal spell that exiles a creature would have been really good that game. Too bad Wizards has never printed one. /s

[@ciaran.downey]

It is funny seeing Richard continue to insist single target removal is bad while the whole team is getting rolled by an aggressive angel start

[@person3176]

and this situation comes up all the time lol. richard (and the table in general) really needs to play more targeted removals.

[@BobardeZanzibar]

@@person3176 This is what Crim was for.

[@RedMage95]

@@BobardeZanzibar lol true. "but mah value"

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

@@person3176 more interaction in general. they need crim on stax for a week to teach them the value of removal.

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

@@RedMage95 I've taken to removal on a stick for this exact reason lol, artifacts planes walkers enchantments creatures if needed, w.e let's me have fairly reliable access to my choice of removal even if it's a bit over costed. also believe things that polymorph permanents or nonland permanents are better than just destroying things for 2 reasons, cards like open the vaults and triumphant reckoning get even scarier and you make you opponents choose between using their removal on your removal or on your threat. the exile enchants work as well (except against commanders,) especially when when they hit more than player/permanent simultaneously. hitting commanders is why I prefer the polymorphs over exiles though.

[@eliwashburn5264]

How appropriate that we close out New Capena commander clash themes with the demons using the angels to win the game! 👏

[@emagtresni]

This entire game so perfectly encapsulates all of the reasons Richard's logic is wrong when it comes to removal and interaction it is comical. "Farewell and StP are bad cards, but also I will spend this entire game begging the other players to use those cards to save my bacon"

[@stevenyukabacera160]

I think it's fair to say that destruction- and damage-based removal is bad. But you 100% should play StP, PtE, Farewell and a few other of these effects. This game shows why.

[@swirlingtoilets]

@@stevenyukabacera160 I refuse to believe that Damnation and Blasphemous Act are now "bad." If anything, I see Hexproof way more frequently than I see Indestructible in games of EDH. You should run both, tbh, but one game with an Avacyn does not invalidate damage/destroy based removal

[@emagtresni]

@@stevenyukabacera160 Destruction based removal is just fine, so long as they are effecient enough. Blasphemous Act and Vanquish the Horde are both incredibly low cost so they allow you to easily follow up the wrath with another play.

[@GreenLightningHood]

Richard literally says that he doesn't need to play that much removal because he counts on the rest of the pod, particularly Crim, to remove problematic spells. Quit the internet gotcha crap. He has a bad take on removal for most people but it work outs for him in his playgroup and he not only acknowledges that, but leans into it. I don't understand why people care what they think is good. Literally just hear them out and see if that applies in your playgroup like everyone else.

[@jfrizzell6645]

Richard, when you are the view for the week, can you please hold your cursor on new cards for just a few seconds each - you touch and move off them so fast, they flicker too fast to be read. Thanks!

[@atk9989]

Tomer: Giada is slow Angels are all big. There are 53 Angels that cost 4 or less.

[@tmain1320]

Seth finally got to see what happens when he one shots someone early game lol

[@tmain1320]

JUSTICE FOR PHIL

[@MTGGoldfish]

I guess I probably deserved it :)

[@rosavanopheusden5211]

in this game, a turn 3 Smuggler's Share would have produced: for Phil: 5 cards, 4 treasures for Seth: 9 cards, 4 treasures for Tomer: 9 cards, 4 treasures and a turn 5 Aerial Extortionist would have produced (without counting its exile ability): for Phil: 3 cards for Seth: 3 cards for Tomer: 3 cards

[@BrewersKitchen]

Love these stats! Too bad we can't play the Share on MTGO :(

[@rosavanopheusden5211]

@@BrewersKitchen Love the content, and loved the game! if I may ask, why didn't you ever use the mana from Sphinx of the Second Sun in your second main phase? is it bugged on mtgo?

[@Dementia55372]

@@rosavanopheusden5211 sphinx untaps your lands after your second main phase

[@rosavanopheusden5211]

@@Dementia55372 no, it's "at the beginning of your postcombat main phase," i.e. you still have your second main phase after it... unless it's bugged I guess

[@Dementia55372]

@@rosavanopheusden5211 read the rest of that sentence in sphinx of the second Sun's ability and you'll understand how the ability works

[@MstrKipper]

Tomer with the why am I missing my land drops when I grabbed a draw equipment instead of a ramping one, a classic play : P

[@RyanEglitis]

Also that sus Cavern of Souls fetch over something that could be relevant (like Homeward Path).

[@powerfamiliar]

@@RyanEglitis In a Phil meta!

[@poothrower101]

PRODUCT IDEA: I have a MTGGoldfish box and sleeves but I would WAY prefer to have some of the Brewer's Kitchen art on stuff. You could turn his cartoons into single panels and they would make great sleeves, shirts and game mats

[@swirlingtoilets]

I know Richard isn’t complaining about someone casting Avacyn saying “Wizards has decided mana values don’t matter” lmao Tomer played a Loyal Warhound, Mox Amber, and a Giada and played Avacyn on curve, y’all have no one to blame but yourselves for not interacting with the mono white deck lol

[@starmanda88]

This man gets it

[@chrisdempsey3170]

@@SilverAlex92 Yeah, but it was on the battlefield for 4 turns to be able to do that. Again, there wasn't the interaction to take care of the very obvious threat of cost reducer when they knew tomer had an avacyn in hand

[@swirlingtoilets]

@@SilverAlex92 I just do not buy "Mana costs don't matter anymore" when no one did anything when Tomer played a 5 mana tribal cost-reducing artifact that has existed for like 20 years. He literally cast Avacyn straight up, no reanimation, no sneak attack, nothing, just played a giant angel fairly. The phrase "mana costs don't matter anymore" implies (in my opinion) that Tomer did something unfair, when he played the fairest Avacyn possible lol

[@swirlingtoilets]

@@SilverAlex92 The most oppressive ways Avacyn has ever been played was off Kaalia or off Reanimate. Mono White having a flying Leaf Gilder in the command zone makes it one turn faster than normal, it's really not a big deal.

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

@@SilverAlex92 i think its more accurate that mono white was never actually worse than any other color except green at ramp. every color except green relied on rocks and we have had plenty of good ones for a long time. we're they affordable? no, but they existed. extra planar lens has existed since mirridon for instance white has gotten 4 good ramp cards in like 10 years, I think the ubiquity of them might make white seem like it got a bunch of new toys but it really hasn't. smugglers share, smothering tithe, deep gnome terramancer, monologue tax. 4 damn cards, its red that has actually gotten a LOT more mono color ramp. cursed mirror, that gold cache card, hoard hauler, gadrak, dockside, ancient copper, magda, rose room, xorn, mirror breakers reflection and 2 others that make treasures on attack triggers, goldspawn, ganax, and there's probably a few more I forgot off the top of my head. and thats all on the last what 3 years? 4 years?

[@rexone9564]

Let’s connect the dots, “Richard: wraths aren’t good bc of cheap protection spells” also Richard: refuses to play farewell. Farewell is the most powerful wipe ever printed and it isn’t close.

[@fernandotanigushi8310]

what a shame they only printed bad ones, that gives your opponent basic lands and life

[@leonsegade-garcia2936]

Cyclonic Rift would like to have a word with you

[@rexone9564]

@@leonsegade-garcia2936 Yeah? What are they gonna say? Rift his basically just an extra turn spell. Doesn’t really solve any problems it just buys time. If you were dead on board and you rift, next turn you’ll be dead on board again.

[@fernandotanigushi8310]

@@leonsegade-garcia2936 farewell is cheaper and exiles, prevents etbs from happening while riff allows them to happen again. Riff is more obnoxious than Farewell, I have no doubts about that

[@leonsegade-garcia2936]

@@rexone9564 Farewell is a symmetrical effect. Rift only "buys you a turn" if you have nothing on board that doesn anything useful, oftentimes farewell will affect you negatively too, just to a lesser extent. Furthermore, if you cyclonic rift on the end step of that players turn they will have to discard down and have to spend an entire turn building up their board again with the 7 cards in hand, plus the tax they pay on their commander.

[@LoonerFlight]

I want "clash on" where the commander clash crew are drawn as power rangers, like "morphin time!"

[@Aphidae]

That would make for a good playmat

[@SHUTTHEFUUU]

Did you mean "morbin time?"

[@joshcotter6079]

I misread that as morophon time for a second

[@LoonerFlight]

@@joshcotter6079 honestly I'd wanna see that shirt too, just that confused moose thing replacing one of the rangers

[@NaldoNidoking]

Ahhh, Demon of Dark Schemes. What an underrated gem, I love that card so much.

[@Dementia55372]

Wow that was extremely frustrating to watch Richard complain the whole game about not having targeted removal to deal with a threat, then king-make phil after saying he wouldn't let him get away with it. Anticlimactic for sure.

[@isaacsmith3998]

Kinda felt the same way. I really enjoyed the episode, but Richard's kingmaking was not the ending I wanted.

[@starmanda88]

It’s remarkable how Seth always seem to know what someone has. Blows me away. Great episode this week! I’ve been binging the old ones too!

[@firstandlast.1254]

You should make a T-shirt that says "Clash" and then underneath that put "On! / Off!" and when someone orders them, they can pick whether they want to circle "On!" or "Off!" Boom. Everyone gets exactly the "Clash On!" or "Clash Off!" t-shirt they want, and they feel more connected to it because they got to have a say in how it turned out.

[@godtiermtg]

41:00: Whenever we see a duplicate at my LGS, we just have that player remove it from the deck on sight, and sometimes they draw a new card to replace it.

[@RyanEglitis]

Probably cleaner to play it as a basic land. No reason to reward mistakes like that as it's ripe for abuse. They're already getting the benefit of drawing the "real" copy first, instead of the basic first.

[@darrkhunter96]

@@RyanEglitis it is not that much of a reward, but there is also no reason to punish for insignificant mistakes like that one. So in my playgroup usual rule is to put duplicate card into deckbox and draw another. Random card for random card seems fair enough to me and priority here speed of action, not justice. Because no one cares if you play with 99 card deck with slightly higher chances of getting card that no one bothered about, but never I have seen a person who wanted to wait those 3-5 minutes doing nothing in a middle of game.

[@rookermtg9321]

We need a "Clash On!" sippy cup. I still believe, Tomer!

[@stephendorey8859]

Still waiting on the sippy cup

[@VowNix]

I love seeing Angel Tribal Tomer! :) I have a Lyra deck, that has a roughly 90% win rate. It's kinda crazy how good it is. I did just switch it to Giada, which is fun but means the crazy amount of lifegain is less reliable.

[@returnoftheduelist9790]

Giada is cool gonna swap my danitha deck for her since i have sram, zurgo, and toggo/akiri already and think agels would be sick. Also I agree with richard 90% of the time but a path or swords would have been really big….i do agree path is better but i run both as well as oblation, divine gambit, and generous gift. Also always run 3 or 4 protection spells in white since it has the best 1 drop save your board instants.

[@brianray3956]

Clash on sippy cups please.

[@stevecustodio2919]

I would buy a clash on sippy cup

[@RedMage95]

I'm happy to see some of my fav angels get the spotlight this game, especially Herald of War. Such a cool card!

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Richard - "I did the thing" Me - literally stood up and gave a standing ovation for the sheer heart of the cards pull. I haven't finished watching but Richard wins this one. I don't care who really wins because Richard absolutely wins for the best moment lol

[@isaacsmith3998]

He may not of won, but he certainly did decide the winner :')

[@eloidasarmi6815]

I played War in Ravnica in a random pod. My opponents at simic ramp, Volo and Kaalia had like 93% of their threats monocolored xd

[@RyanEglitis]

That's the problem, multicolored is _supposed_ to be more powerful, but Wizards prints so many broken monocolored things that it doesn't work out that way.

[@light-chemistry]

Tomer: doesn't attack richard when he's on two life then gets board wiped Also Tomer: "Richard keeps getting away with it"

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

Remember kids, Swords is bad.

[@person3176]

Commander Clash Merch idea: a tshirt where every member of commander clash gets suited up by their favourite archetype or pet card(s) as best as possible without infringing on copyright. Richard as a hawk carrying a dagger Phil as a big sea creature in a thief costume Seth playing a panharmonicon under a blood moon Tomer wearing plate armor (kaldra) Crim as a big bad demon Something like that!

[@thedoctor559]

Saying Clash On is so cringe but in a way that makes it perfect.

[@damnjekyll]

Your guys' Smash Bros themed opening can never get old, I swear!

[@Birchie84]

We need a 'We need a Farwell now'. Is a huge meme your missing on. playmate incoming!

[@notsm]

Surprised Richard didn't play Karn, Scion of Urza. If you intend on playing karnstructs you should play the OG karnstruct creator imo. XD

[@SylphIcilio]

I'll buy a comic sans clash on shirt. Absolutely. Just add the goldfish crew all as fishified. Please!?

[@vanblod9338]

"Post Crimatic Stress Syndorme"

[@gregorycafiero9688]

Commenting for the gods of algorithm

[@kingfuzzy2]

Hope to see some slow Janky and fun decks today ( :

[@yonigle8553]

what a fricken game

[@burnedelite765]

oof, great episode but that loss really got Tomer salty. Isn't so fun when the Avacyn is used against you and when you're also laughing about how unbeatable it was earlier..

[@whatsupdoc6358]

My friend and I both have a Giada deck. Shes a beast.

[@BobardeZanzibar]

The people demand sippy cups!

[@allconsumingnerdom3397]

It makes me so happy to see you guys play the 2 commanders I made decklists for from Streets of New Capenna. I'll admit I had thought about using Devilish Valet for my Ognis, but went the cheaper route of extra combats😄

[@MrMalorian]

Sphinx/demon tribal is very cool

[@scoobg21]

At 87 life: you’re king making Phil.. lol

[@isaacsmith3998]

I mean, he kinda was. He was all about "not letting Phil get away with it" and then literally handed Phil the resources needed to win the game.

[@ms.sysbit5511]

Do a Scoops by a big light switch that says On/Off flicked to On with the Scoops enthusiastically calling out “Clash!” I think that would be a cute, creative way to do it and I imagine it as a black (for the dark that’s about to be banished by the light of Clashing on… or turning the light on. Whatever works.) base shirt.

[@alecolson8360]

Player resurrection spell, that would be spicy

[@oafkad]

I've played Ravnica at War *a lot* on MTGO and it basically always is a banger. Makes my Heliod very happy.

[@commanderpower99]

Lol if boardwipes are bad and spot removal is bad... what the hell is Richard playing?

[@mightyone3737]

In my wipe/removal heavy Rakdos deck, I mostly hope to deal with an Avacyn (or similarly strong card) via Thieves' Auction, but if she's not the Commander I'd hope for a Hurl Through Hell. Such a reasonable card that once horrified me is now just another decent card, not even an especially good one (and one that is very solved by Thieves' Auction in a deck full of cards nobody else wants).

[@peterhardiman7333]

Don't all commander players eventually metagame for better gameplay? Imagine losing to a graveyard deck every week!

[@timcoberley16]

Lol Tomer! It isn't even viewer submitted week and you're still poopooing on people's decks. "Everyone's Giada decks are honestly bad on edhrec" 🤣 never change sir. Excellent game chaps

[@winssports4830]

I can't remember the exact misplay but I was against a storm player in a tournament and he either cast something he has already cast or had more than four copies of something idr exactly. In any case we just accepted it was a loss for him but still continued the game (I ended up winning anyways) because I had a 50/50 or something stupid Lifelinking kor spiridancer lol. He made like 40 goblins but couldn't find removal for spiridancer and I drew my unlockable card for the GGs. I won the match 2-1. Guy was devastated needed that win to be able to buy into the prerelease I finished top 3 and paid for his prerelease. I was just happy to be there and do well lol.

[@ebonezra8073]

The last 20 minutes should not have happened the way they did. @theonlyfish king-made Phil in an immature bid to "stay alive." I wish the game could be turned back to 1:42:00 and we could see how the game should have gone without immature play patterns.

[@DiabloTommaso]

Why people forget vandalblast can be used as a spot removal? Destroy sol ring

[@starmanda88]

I don’t know if people forget but at least for me that’s a major feels bad play to use my vandal blast on one sol ring.

[@nCedric1]

Don't run any "destroy" removal. Not a single one. Everything must be exile, put to bottom of library, or sacrificed.

[@gustavosolano4615]

You guys should have an echo whenever someone says clash on in the beginning make more impactful. For merchandise plushie clash on your members collect them all. Or your favorite tribe lol birds 🐦

[@bytosai2112]

I really wish you guys would some gameplay vids outside of MTGO. Idk why but it makes it a lot harder to follow what’s going on with board states

[@marsrocks247]

The white insurrection is approach of the second sun. You just cast it (twice) and literally nothing else that happened that game mattered.

[@breaky92]

if only there were spells that could remove big threads like avacyn for little to no mana. sadly spot removal isn't worth running amiright.

[@javids.9537]

Poor Tomer but Phil wasn't first to get knocked out! We need a commander clash with Phil and Crim!

[@Savagely1]

Clash On! T-shirt with Tomer getting hype and the rest of the crew just cringing.

[@thatoneguyshawn]

Comic sans clash on playmat with everyone getting their own goldfish designed after them

[@Welverin]

Scoops fist pumping and yelling ‘CLASH ON!’

[@JacoDeltaco]

Richard giving energy to the rise of the dark relam player piss me off

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Removal wins games contrary to what Richard says it’s true

[@matheusmoreira1586]

Avacyn is such a miserable card to play against...

[@samhairle]

@1:15:50 why did War Room cost Tomer 3 life?

[@gabe3704]

Got to love the color courdination deidication by Phil again

[@ebonezra8073]

I hate when players do what @theonlyfish did on his way out. Just die graciously. You don't need to drop an Armageddon that somehow hits only one person on your way out for no reason. He should NOT have given Phil a W just "to stay alive" knowing he was going to die on the crack back anyway. What an immature play.

[@ebonezra8073]

Players on the way out should NOT try to swing the game. I get that it's an option, but as a social element, if you weren't able to stay in the game because of circumstances earlier, then go graciously. You lost. Final plays by losing players that drastically swing games is one of my biggest pet peeves in Commander.

[@Aphidae]

Reading the cards explains the cards.

[@nCedric1]

As a long time voltron player, Tomer's phrase "The best Avacyn answer is to steal Avacyn" hits hard. Tomer, you have Phil in the pod. Run Homeward Path EVERY GAME. FETCH FOR IT. TUTOR IT. It's not meta game, it's justice. Getting your stuff stolen every single game gets boring really quick after a while.

[@andrewbeck3363]

Clash on playmat with Toski vs Avacyn

[@taylorjones1641]

A roster of Scoops cosplaying as favorite commanders, Super Smash Bros. Style. In the bottom are our usual Goldfish crew (Crim included, Smash allows for 8 players), all already selected their character. Across the screen, like in smash when everyone has selected their characters, it says “Clash On!”. Intricate? Probably. But I think that’s pretty awesome.

[@evancuyuch9260]

It's more than a bit frustrating to see Richard constantly shit on spot removal but yet one path, one swords, one vraska's contempt, or one anguished unmaking could have helped immensely with dealing with avacyn. Further proves the point that his logic on not running removal is seriously flawed.

[@chips8623]

that's easy Richard, you have Trollface figure wearing a 'Hello my name is..... Tomer' nametag with clash-on in a speech bubble in the most bizzarre font Microsoft Office '98 can provide that's still readable.

[@Ragwar]

THAT TOPDECK!!! Geez Richard youre a pro magic the gathering game ages 13+ player

[@monogreen]

I've been playing Ognis Tribal Ball Lightning. Not the most powerful build, but it's been super fun

[@kieranwouter2361]

So, turns out reading cards is really powerful 😂. It's a great finisher, but only if you know what it actually does,

[@QuamQuam2305]

I cannot believe tomer is playing for so long and has 2 instances of flash in hand/board, but cant find the line to flash creatures in the endstep of phil. Crazy

[@cameronmes4046]

Richard sitting with the ignition lol

[@starmanda88]

Spoilers… Omfg having a toxic deluge with 2 life left 😭😭😭 that’s brutal.

[@mertentrimpin9715]

Whats the name of the intro song?

[@Zaeylo]

Giada can get some insane god hands if you get one of the angel cost reducers early, especially the one that scales with +1 counters.

[@oORoOFLOo]

Sell literal goldfish

[@eusouzoom]

Poor Tomer didn't know they will not have commander Legends 2 on Modo

[@dpscribe]

You always kill Richard quickly Tomer never learn.

[@seadiegofc7662]

My idea is a Clash On! Shirt in the style of a classic comicbook "POW!"

[@stormycat0905]

I thought for sure Richard was playing Giada.

[@quantumlasagna4669]

clash on sippy cup

[@Karl_Hungus_Nihilist]

I hope Phil will be in Frankfurt for command fest!

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

No game 2? Lol

[@jackpabich763]

Shouldn't Sphinx let you cast spells normally in second main? It says "At the beginning of your post combat main phase"

[@Dementia55372]

Finish reading the rest of that ability and you'll understand why

[@jackpabich763]

@@Dementia55372 So it goes combat ends, ability triggers, untap, upkeep, draw, but don't get the post combat main phase?

[@Dementia55372]

@@jackpabich763 it goes "main phase 2, triggered ability resolves, finish your second main phase, untap, upkeep, draw, end step."

[@jackpabich763]

@@Dementia55372 Ah! That isn't intuitive. I thought it triggered the untap, upkeep, draw part, skipped 1st main and combat, and continued to 2nd main. Although that would also be complicated...

[@PEMszg]

tomer qq

[@j0k3r271]

If Richard didn't have all is dust couldn't of he Chandra ignition then toxic deluge for 1?

[@Dementia55372]

I don't think so, the only way toxic deluge can kill indestructible creatures is by reducing their toughness to 0. Any amount less than that would still leave them on the battlefield with damaged marked on them since indestructible creatures aren't destroyed by lethal damage.

[@varietygamer7859]

What about two goldfish fighting with clash on, on it that would be cool

[@MrChainblader]

As a fan of angel tribal, 50:13 made my day.

[@MrKnecht4]

"Clash on" button like that was easy button