Raggadragga vs Jenson Carthalion vs Nymris vs Kinnan | CEDH Gameplay

[@aeolus7762]

Is Raggadragga taking over cEDH? Don't know, but does the table have the exact answers to a Raggadragga deck in the first two turns? ABSOLUTELY!

[@dhantefranklin336]

I've legit never read nor have ever seen ragga's last ability resolved. Wow.

[@Blargonia]

I run a CEDH Raggadragga deck, and I resolve it most games. Chris kept a terrible hand for a Raggadragga deck

[@eelehtrikidd1002]

I have the deck irl and on arena, and with both I've gotten the second ability to go off. It helps to run X spells that can help you meet that 7 mana mark.

[@Blargonia]

@@eelehtrikidd1002 I find a turbo Panglacial Wurm strategy to work best with spells such as Spine of Ish Sha and Wurmcalling to be good backups

[@ryanstewart2289]

I run Raggadragga on Arena and I can reliably get the second ability to trigger by turn 4. Depending on the board state I'll be able to chain multiple triggers on turn 4. When you're playing against Raggadragga you always bolt the bird. Always.

[@stanstanminsonfrancisco8645]

@@Blargonia care to share your list?

[@juice17776]

Discarding Dress Down against a deck that relies on creature abilities seems bad.

[@Ellie-Angela]

I wouldn't say that Chris' win in game 2 was out of nowhere; just Heronblade and Raggadragga both being on the field had me eyeing him as soon as he passed the turn, and Scryb Ranger was the cherry on top, even if its only function there ended up being tutoring Dockside. Raggadragga, 7 mana and any dork whose production scales with power tends to be critical mass ridiculously easily in a game with that commander, the player usually just needs a good way to draw cards.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Alex's Crypt was really out for his blood in the first game...

[@RagingPoo]

Kinnan does not need Thoracle as a win condition. You can either Finale of Devastation for arbitrarily large creatures or use Tidespout Tyrant/Hullbreaker Horror to bounce everything. I've yet to see a scenario where one of those wasn't enough.

[@InmAncalagon]

Yes. I cringe whenever I see Thoracle in nonblack decks (few exceptions aside like Grolnok). It's completely useless in Kinnan.

[@jtmoney606]

I agree we cut it, not to mention the ways we got to go infinite in kinnan is the best its been. super strong!!

[@wesleypollek4637]

Lurrus Jenson with no lands in the starting hand, I already know this is going to be epic

[@TripsAhoy]

Those untap shenanigans are nice! Spine is a great way to kill everything! Nice games.

[@justinclement7211]

I built causal raggadragga when he first released. Now I am happy to see him on pwp

[@ingolf82]

Raggadragga is awesome, another great combo is Hateflayer & Nyxbloom Ancient + either Cryptolith Rite or Citanul Hierophants. what this does is the following: Hateflayer has an ability that costs 3 red and you untap it and it deals damage to target creature or player equal to its power, it starts as a 5/5. so with Cryptolith Rite or Citanul Hierophants, you tap the hateflayer for 3 red mana thanks to Nyxbloom tripling your mana production, you use it to untap hateflayer, dealing 5 damage to target player, you rinse and repeat this until the table is dead and you win the game. Another fun one, is having 3 mana dorks out that tap for mana equal to their power then casting spine of ish sah and have it destroy itself then recasting it over and over, making 3 infinitely large tramplers and attacking for the win.

[@kylecarson3318]

Alex's Modfly Kinnan is just beautiful. I spent so much time just looking at it.

[@dreadgray78]

Spine of Ish Sah, Great Oak, and all that other stuff doesn’t seem needed - he’s making enough mana from Heronblade that Ragadraga should be able to infinitely pump his board - and looping Boseiju who Endures + Thorn mammoth would be enough to wipe all permanents without needing spine of Ish Sah - doesn’t exactly feel slot efficient

[@VzDeath]

Great oak is necessary due to it's untap and pump ability. Spine can just destroy itself to make infinite mana (provided you have an outlet)

[@weasley313]

how is it possible that on so many games people end up with a mana crypt in their opening hand ? i have played way too many games without seeing my mana crypt ever show up until the end of the game

[@Mjoelnar89]

So much wasted dmg due to not attacking with e.g. Oppo in first match with blank boards ... could have been used way more aggresively to generate more pressure against trinisphere.

[@StumpyLongNeck]

Starting to seem like 'most valuable card' should be changed to 'most precious card' lmao

[@nanoglitch6693]

Does Crypt start in the command zone? These are super-stacked hands.

[@jtmoney606]

yeah I barely see mine unless i get it off saga 😂

[@krenarspahiu4261]

I love gruul & have wanted to build a Cedh deck around it. I primarily play mono green but have dabbled into izzit recently though.

[@manadorkuk]

About time my boy got some recognition. Up the big dork energy

[@TheGrifcannon22]

I know it was misspoken but could you imagine if Mnemonic Betrayal exiled libraries? What a card!

[@Joeled_Lotus]

Was just listening while working on this and my first reaction was "Woooow if only it would exiles opponents librarys for 3 mana... Would be a broken card then" xD

[@jayie]

I noticed that the Seedborn Muse was exiled by Deadly Rollick, but when TK casted Mnemonic Betrayal, TK was able to cast Seedborn Muse from GY, it's supposed to be exiled right?

[@connatron2635]

Seedborn go FOWed the Gilded drake got the deadly rollick

[@deandreholmes3807]

Holy hell. Seedborn Muse and The One Ring is a disgusting combination.

[@keegindollarhyde9657]

Where did Alex get the kinnan altar from? Would love one myself!

[@imanujakku]

I’m curious as a casual fan of cEDH but not a player. Has the one ring made more decks without blue viable? Or just made the decks with blue that much better because they can run remora,rhystic and one ring ?

[@jorjor500]

It’s ran in like 85% or so of decks now. Made a ton of decks better, but it’s also ran in most blue decks, so yea lol

[@andrewharper4138]

I also wouldn't say it's any more decks more viable than they were before. Like it didn't make any high power decks cedh decks all of a sudden because of a new advantage engine. It made existing decks just better

[@Tachonka_Bonka719]

I’d love to see an ivy gleeful spell thief cedh build by one of you guys I’ve been working on a deck myself combing with rotpriest and Spellskite idk if it’s very viable as a lot of people in my area don’t like the high power stuff

[@James-rf4mp]

Love how you all are reppin Jenson! Thank you!

[@DarkEinherjar]

Thorn Mammoth should've triggered five times when it entered the battlefield, as it "sees" every creature entering the battlefield with it.

[@jorjor500]

It’s up to one, so it’s not an incorrect game action to not target things, so he didn’t break any rules at least lol

[@chelseacomer1363]

Trinosphere makes mox diamond into the worst monolith ever lol

[@letthenonsensebegin]

Good to see my boy Kinnan getting some love

[@p1k4nurxp13sr]

Game 2, did chris have gemstone caverns or cavern of souls?

[@williamchu4595]

Hull breaker horror doesn't need two mana positive rocks in a cycle for infinite mana, a single positive rock is enough, mana ability can be activated instantly and takes no stack

[@Deeeeb]

I'm a little sad to see that Raggadragga isn't running questing beast to win through the One Ring (not sure what would come out for it but just a thought)

[@VzDeath]

In game 1 Chris should have shuffled the Green Sun's back into his library

[@giantgrowth4204]

Kinnan with mana crispy and a mana dork is basically gg

[@kenny19910]

Excellent games fellas

[@AidanWR]

Little disappointed that Thoracle still won the first game, and not the two decks with that as a main win con

[@isacgutierrez4165]

So no one is talking about that stifle attempt 😂 😂

[@giorgioleoni3471]

Have you guys considered not feeding the fish?

[@brennanclement8582]

Man I love trinisphere

[@SamuelKacerik]

So why was Opposition Agent not attacking?

[@stevenashley27]

Some of these openers the players kept here are GREEDY

[@davidgreeneart]

Can you not target Spine of Ish Sah with its own ability?

[@broccolim4672]

Technically yes but he wanted/needed to use it to destroy his opponents permanents so he was clear for the win.

[@elucor]

Raggadragga!!! Yessss

[@TenPace]

I don't like the clickbait-y titles that have been coming up for a while, but if they're working for the algorithm then gg I guess. Still really love y'all's content.

[@laurelkeeper]

He definitely took over the second game, but going last into Trinisphere is kind of a worst case scenario

[@yamiyamigorogoro5739]

Lol why tf did they feed the fish so much in the beginning

[@christopherlapp4553]

They always do

[@SimoneCasuSaber]

Cool ass video as always

[@ItsJayBirds]

How does Ryan Jenson with Lurrus companion can take intuition? Intuition cost 3 but lurrus companion ability state that card in the deck must be 2 or less

[@InmAncalagon]

Lurrus only cares about permanent cards

[@gabe3704]

I did not expect this

[@horacecampbell8483]

Wow… just wow

[@il-jumpermt7577]

Questing Beast says Fu one ring

[@StephenDakota]

STIFLE!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@JLH111176]

Chris barely play first game, and second game was almost solitaire

[@Cy_in]

5:55 green sun zenith doesnt resolve.........??? Jin is out......

[@andrewharper4138]

No its not it was bounced by Ryan before Alex's previous turn and alex didn't recast it

[@ianwentz6617]

First 2 decks announced win conditions are Thoracle, then we see Kinnan mullingan a Thoracle only to win with the same Thoracle. Man I'm so tired of that stupid card.

[@InmAncalagon]

Thoracle is completely useless in Kinnan and just bad deckbuilding.

[@ianwentz6617]

@@InmAncalagon Thoracle itself is just not a card that is utilized for any fair purpose other than degenerate combos. In a slower constructed format where you can run multiples, you can haphazardly chuck one on the board for some filtering, which was clearly the point of the card. They clearly mad a design error though in that you can win the game even if your deck has 0 cards in it. It's one of the things that devastated Pioneer and is still the most frequent win line in U/B for Commander.

[@InmAncalagon]

@@ianwentz6617 Playing it in Kinnan is definitely fair because it only makes the deck worse. It serves absolutely no purpose in the deck at all because Kinnan can only get rid of the library by drawing it - at which point you can win by Finale of Devastation or by looping your deck with Endurance, making infinite tokens with something like Pongify, bouncing everything your opponents have with Hullbreaker Horror or Cyc Rift and keeping a full grip of counterspells, then passing and winning next turn. Thoracle is unnecessary and only adds a dead card to the deck, making it weaker.

[@bscapitao]

second

[@GoomerLight]

Third

[@dylanhayes6826]

First

[@chiefdragoon9693]

Kinnan is such a lazy deck. Yawn. Snooze. Play something else.

[@chiefdragoon9693]

Yeah. Snooze fest loops. Alex is lame.

[@davidcurtis5452]

ewwww thassa win con deck, thats lame AF

[@mattdemers2433]

these videos are so staged

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

lol. Why would we misplay and mulligan into oblivion all the time if they are staged?

[@lostgenius]

I swear T.K. cheats. Everytime he plays, he has these outrageous T1s.

[@ItsJayBirds]

How does Ryan Jenson with Lurrus companion can take intuition? Intuition cost 3 but lurrus companion ability state that card in the deck must be 2 or less

[@HalcyonVentures]

Lurrus only cares about permanent cards

[@ItsJayBirds]

@@HalcyonVentures ahhhh! I missed that! Thank you!