Dr650 - why I sold it after 10,000km

[@GreasyBelcher]

I just finished riding across Australia off road through the deserts on a 10 year old DR650. I have just sold the bike and purchased the latest model. It’s costing me a fortune on desert modifications but it’s what I want. Im making a film of the trip, some amazing places in the outback

[@rangeroadmoto]

I’d love to see that, you should do it. What mods did you find the most import for desert riding?

[@GreasyBelcher]

@@rangeroadmoto Pivot Pegs we’re great for standing when on long rough trails. Soft seat when sitting was ok. Heated hand grips when setting off in the mornings. Extra headlight was great at dusk, evening. Bark busters when ripping along the Gunbarrell Highway, through the bushes. Racks for the bags, reinforced suspension, steering dampener, Everything was essential. Here’s the playlist of the clips that will make the film of the crossing. All of the music in the film is my own music… kzbin.info/aero/PLAf-l0oPbsxtzjoVysJhuwYa1EqUCoO1s

[@colinbowman8816]

Are there changes I'm unaware of in the last 10 years? Why not just keep the old one and modify/maintain it?

[@KeepItSimpleSailor]

I’ve owned a DR650, and currently own a DRZ250. My DR650 was basically stock other than bashplate, bark busters and sprocket gearing - and it still did really well. Might buy another one day, with the mods.

[@vaga4239]

You'll be back, everyone comes back to the pig haha

[@rangeroadmoto]

A lot of people have said that! I’m definitely open to the idea

[@BillySBC]

Fast forward three years and he buys another DR650 swearing never to let it go again.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Anything is possible

[@ComfyDadShoes]

This is the best collection of dr650 videos on YT. I thought for sure I’d get a klx 300 but wound up on a dr650. I don’t think I could consider another, smaller dual sport after having the dr650. I’ve rewatched these videos a few times already. They’re great.

[@rangeroadmoto]

That’s super nice to say man! The Dr650 is an awesome machine

[@tahoehiker]

The extra torque is well worth the extra weight imo.

[@syntaxmsi]

Great video! I too owned and loved the DR, and eventually sold it when I realized I had spent too much money trying to make it into a bike it was never designed to be. Riding a 2018 FE450 now.

[@stefanrustas6565]

What a great film! I'm an older guy who just got a 1995 DR650R, and it just made me come home to "motorcycles". It's black, in good shape, has a Kickstart and smells wonderfully of hot oil! I live in forest country, full of logging roads and lakes, here in Sweden. So today I btouht my lady with me, and just had fun on this heavy pig! I started on the last new yamaha xt 500 sold in this country, and now I'm at home again. Locking forward to see what you are getting now.

[@rangeroadmoto]

That’s awesome! I am curious what is different about the 650r over the 650se?

[@telcobilly]

@@rangeroadmoto the design of the 1995 is considerably different than the 1997 and up dr650. I've owned the 1993 DR brand new and the 2003 dr650 brand new as well. The newer model is much better. Lighter more compact, better handling, just a huge upgrade.

[@stefanrustas6565]

@@rangeroadmoto Sorry, just missed your comment. As the other guy wrote, the 95 is the last of the older ones. It has a 17 liters fuel tank, so about 60 more miles of fun! It's about 15 kg heavier, the engine is said to be rawer and with about 10 % (4hp) more power. I love it!

[@GreatNini]

Man the production value of your videos is incredible. I am absolutely stunned.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thank you so much, that’s super nice to hear.

[@thedudetravels6737]

Great video. I bought a cheap Chinese dual sport back in 2018 just to see if I still liked riding off-road. Absolutely loved it, so I upgraded to a DR at the end of last season. Found a stock one with 1400 miles for a decent price. I've been slowly trying to upgrade it. They are great bikes! I absolutely love mine and 650 IMHO is great both on-road and off... Maybe a bit much for off-roading but still so much fun! Safe travels!

[@rangeroadmoto]

Couldn’t agree more! How did the Chinese dual sport treat ya? Specifically the reliability, I’m always curious how they are

[@thedudetravels6737]

@@rangeroadmoto I bought a CSC because parts are easy to get here in the US. I'd say fairly reliable. I think I lost the nut to the neutral sending unit 🤣 Besides that, it's been pretty reliable. I'm going to tear into it this summer sometime and see what's going on. I put about 6K pretty rough miles on it before any real issues though. If you're not to rough with them, I think they're great. If you're going to get crazy off-road, I'd spend the money on a used Japanese bike. Just better built. For something to ride around town though, not a bad bike for basic transportation.

[@davidpoffenbarger3686]

Every MC is a collection of strengths and compromises. You just have to find the right mix for you. I've owned a DRZ400 and traded it for a KTM 500EXC. Big improvement in off road capability but feels like it gives up some versatility. I watch a lot of DR650 content as I think they're cool and will probably own one at some point.... Great vid and thanks...

[@KSMotoCafe]

This was an absolute eye candy of a video! Great work man

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thanks man! 😬

[@doorstepmile]

I am closing on 60, started riding at 16. All my bikes have been Upgradeitis! I start with a dog and sell it when it's finally solid and reliable. Getting fed up with it in the process so I never see the qualities I have built into it. So every bike is a slog rather then a joy. Finally I have come to my senses and bought a solid bike with minimum upkeep or upgrade needs. Your storry sounds like a classic example. Now is when the bike is really great.. Think what your new DR owner self would have thought of it now!

[@tylermears3158]

Thanks for sharing your opinion I believe the dr is plenty capable of winning some races if coming from a dirt back ground and not being your first dual sport also its capable of 110 mph with the right gearing mine easily can hit 95 even with 14 tooth front keep up the ridin

[@rangeroadmoto]

Oh I’m sure under the right rider it could be a contender. I’m not that rider haha

[@chuddledollops]

My first bike was an 81 550LTD which I loved. My DR650 was modded to perfection after having it for 2 years, however it was stolen 2 weeks ago so the choice of selling was out of my hands. Good to know there is life after the DR. Looking forward to seeing what you get and maybe it will inspire me!

[@rangeroadmoto]

Oh man I am really sorry, that is a night mare. Do you mind if I ask how they stole it ?

[@chuddledollops]

@@rangeroadmoto It was covered and locked outside and they just lifted it into a van and drove off! The price rise in adv bikes has not worked in my favor. Think I'm going to have to go back to an 80s cruiser for a while!

[@bumblebeeman2103]

@@chuddledollops I'm starting to get the dr650 itch but this isn't the first mention I've seen of someone moding it to perfection and then it getting stolen. This is the only thing worrying me cuz I don't know if I could handle making my dream bike after years of progress only for it to get taken away forever

[@chuddledollops]

@@bumblebeeman2103 Would you believe I got it back after 4 months!! It was stripped back to almost nothing but with the help of kind bikers on facebook i was able to replace all the missing parts and get it back on the road!! It's still my bike just a bit different!!

[@frederickjeremy]

Some asshole tried to steal mine several months ago. I got off work after being gone a month at 11pm in Baton Rouge to find a screwdriver broke off in my ignition switch. That steering lock on those is apparently pretty tough, because they tried. Im glad you got your bike back.

[@bigjj974]

I can speak from experience with a great number of bikes so when I say you will be back please understand this is not meant to be an insult but just an observation of my own doing. My compromise was not to sell the DR650 but just to add a couple of other bikes to the stable for various reasons. I always go back to the DR for my everyday go to bike. Have fun

[@roosterino]

The production quality is so good and you tell a great story! Looking forward to more vids

[@rangeroadmoto]

Hey David thanks for the kind words man! More stuff coming soon

[@bicepusmaximus]

Great video! I went from a KLX250S (too slow) to a DR650 (too heavy) to an older DRZ400S. It’s got an FCR carb that doesn’t make the bike easy to start, especially since it’s getting close to needing a top end rebuild. It def needs a 6th gear or the longer 5 gear set. But it was cheap and it’s a great mix of the other two bikes. But I ended up getting a CRF450L this winter. I got a decent deal on a lightly used one but it’s not cheap. And oh man, it’s is an amazing bike. Feels much lighter than the DRZ (not to mention the DR). Has a sixth gear (not super tall but let’s you cruise at 100 all day). I’ve really enjoyed it so far this year. Still have the DRZ for friends to ride with me who don’t have dual sports.

[@rangeroadmoto]

The CRf450l is kinda of a dream bike in my head right now.. a little out of reach at the moment financially but I really like the idea of turning one of those into a light ADV trail machine..do you have many mods on the CRF? Have you done the eco and exhaust like everyone says "you have to"?

[@jeradbennett5030]

I think the nicest thing about the dr compared to other more modern dual sports is the reliability and simplicity of the engine. Specifically the valve train and ease of adjustment, who wants to deal with shims when you just want to ride the piss out of something.

[@DollyAndFamilyGetOutAndRide]

Great video and I understand how you feel about the dr650. I have three bikes in my garage and am always thinking that, yeah could upgrade one of them and sell one.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Yeah it’s a battle.. what bikes do you have?

[@robertgOU812]

As a DR owner, I love the video.

[@joshdoddadbod]

I'll have a dr650 again but I'll be upgrading the seat and suspension before anything else. Loved my dr and I miss it.

[@MadDog-65]

Just on the verge of buying my 3rd, after spending the last 2 weeks watching countless vids on other bikes that cost 3 times as much or more, I keep coming back to the DR650 for simplicity and just the fun factor. The adventure bike market is well and truly out of control and prices of bikes especially here in Australia are just over the top expensive. Even for a good low km DR650 expect to pay upwards of 8k (aus) insane. I just want a dual sport with 70/30 capability as well as proven reliability with no rider aids. It can only be the DR!!

[@GregSamborski]

“I want problems” lol. This was so well done. An engaging story, great visuals, comic relief. I really liked the way you shared your bike history. I had a DRZ 400s. Pretty close in many ways. I was about to repurchase one after returning to Canada and remember one Internet forum talking about how you’re not gonna remember and appreciate that your DRZ got 100 more hours on the oil than your KTM, your just gonna remember how it made you feel. My 500 makes me smile so hard. So what are you thinking for the next one?

[@rangeroadmoto]

Haha thanks Greg! Honestly I’ve been looking at everything in that 400-700 range, it’s really comes down to what I can get a decent deal on. Bikes are wild priced right now. And I fully agree, the short oil change intervals really don’t scare me. I’ve watched lots of stuff from RTW Paul and it really sounds like a non issue for the type of riding I would mostly be doing on it. Watching your 500 rebuild has been cool cause it has a lot of hours but looks good inside !

[@dogspeed]

Hey. Stumbled across your vid and clicked with trepidation as I have very recently purchased an older DR-650 and, glad that I did. Excellent broadcast skills aside, your summary of the bike aligns with my own ethos although I can appreciate that your taste has evolved. Good stuff! Looking forward to discovering more of your work, and of my DR! New subscriber sir.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thanks for the kind words DogSpeed! I still believe the Dr650 is an awesome choice for a bike. It was really good to me. I hope you and your DR have many good adventures!

[@TommyNitro]

You may come back to it eventually. I have a higher end enduro and an xr650l. I love the xr.

[@rangeroadmoto]

I can see that happening, the Dr is great. I actually borrowed my friends XR650L for a week and got to try that out. It’s really good too

[@donuthole7236]

The average DR owner is 50+ years old, most young people are more interested in modern higher performance bikes. As you get older you are more willing to trade off the sophistication for something simpler, durable and easier to work on. Buy a KTM and a DR, chances are the KTM will be long gone where the DR will be with you for decades. I suspect after moving on to other bikes over time you will regret selling the DR, most do.

[@rangeroadmoto]

That’s an interesting perspective! My personal experience does not share that, the only people I know with simple big singles (xr, dr, klr) are people in their 30’s. The older(than me) generation 45-70 riding off road adv/dual sport are all riding KTM’s, huskys, africa twins, t7’s etc. I’m definitely not arguing your point is wrong but just that from my experience it’s been different. Thanks for watching!

[@donuthole7236]

@@rangeroadmoto There is a survey on the Dr forum on this very topic. The vast majority of DR riders on that poll were in their 50's, 60's and even 70's (about 70%). I wouldn't be surprised the same held true for the KLR and XR. Most of the young guys prefer the modern and faster bikes like the KTM and Husky's. The T7 and Africa Twin are too big and heavy for us old farts off-road and tend to break bones. Most of the riders on those bikes tend to keep it on the pavement. It's funny going to "meet-up" places seeing 40 and 50 year old riders on behemoth GS's, you can tell those bikes have seen nothing but pavement.

[@rangeroadmoto]

@@donuthole7236 Thats really interesting, I'm gonna try and find this survey, I find stuff like that interesting. I will redact what I said before and change that to the majority of people I see on KLR's are 50+. I still really liked my DR overall, and I would recommend it to anyone. I really just like trying different things, I still haven't replaced the DR as of yet but I did buy a Honda Elite 250 scooter and have done some little road trips on and off road on that. I know that if I end up regretting my sale of the DR that I will be able to replace it with another one, thankfully they have been selling them for what seems like forever.

[@donuthole7236]

@mister1496 about 75% of the DR-650 owners are over 50. The oldest I saw was in their 80's but most are between 50 and 60. Very few under 40 DR riders. I'd say less than 20%. Best bike I've ever owned and that's saying something when considering what came before

[@ResultsPerformanceMarketing]

I have a DR650 and I’m 19 years old.

[@qqnqqpart]

Cheers mate! The video is super well made, insanely high production quality!

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thanks man! Appreciate the kind words and watching!

[@qqnqqpart]

@@rangeroadmoto cheers! BTW in your opinion, is a new DR worth it? I'd be stretching my finances a little bit when getting it, but the used market (searched on Kijiji) near where I plan to get it has no activity. The relatively low MSRP makes it to tempting to pull the trigger on the new ones. One reasoning I have been thinking of is what if in 15 years they start a slow phase out of combustion bikes based on year of manufacture.. unlikely, and still not fully convinced on the buying new proposition; hence wanted to get your opinion!

[@peterpitre9736]

I always wonder what another bike would be like on the highway or off road, then i have a great day on the 650 and forget about other bikes. 8 years later i still have it

[@rangeroadmoto]

They are truly wonderful at being an amazing all rounder. I definitely don’t blame you.

[@davidfalgout7304]

JUST PERECT !

[@LilBuck9]

Bought my 1st one in 2000. I was told the honda was better off road. So, I bought an 2007 XR650l. It was never any better and it never felt...right. I am now the proud owner of a super hopped up 2008 DR650.(piston,cam,full FMF exhaust, full Cogent Suspension and every thing else) I have other bikes as well. It IS the one motorcycle I will never let go again. In the upcoming post apocalyptic world, I'm pretty sure It's the one motorcycle I can keep it going. I guess they do die. I've just not seen it. As others have said, that SOMETHING you'll start missing. You'll find it on a DR.

[@jerrydelacruz5119]

You start to notice the weight as the trail gets steeper and harder to see. But the torque is always nice.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thats very true. When the trail gets steep or you start to tip over a little too much

[@perotekku]

I've been lucky enough to ride a bunch of my dad's and buddies' bikes However, I took my motorcycle course on a DR200S, and man, I still think about that bike. Definitely see a DR650 in my future, when I get more time to go on some roadtrips.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Do it! They are so good

[@jonsmith9708]

I sold my DRZ 400 for same reasons, I bought a Yamaha YZ250x that puts a big smile on me w that 2 stroke hit! But now I'm looking at used Dr650

[@rangeroadmoto]

The drz is a great bike, only ridden the SM on roads but it was a blast.

[@YourLocalRaccoon]

My thing is, lighter more focused dual sports like that husky or a ktm or even the crf450l, you miss out on street bike levels of maintenance intervals and reliability. A focused dual sport like that is great off road and not really anywhere else. In my eyes a dual sport should be just that, sporty on and off roads. It shouldn't be a dirt bike and it shouldn't be a street bike, it should be a pig on or off and it should beat you up about it a bit. Having one bike that can do it all is gonna cost a lot of money, and after all is said and done a fully modded dr650 or drz400 might just cost less overall, but then come with much longer maintenance intervals and possibly a much longer engine lifespan. The dr650 is known as the bush pig in Australia, the xr650l is the Big Red Pig. The drz400 is lighter and better off road but you lose stability at high speed and top speed drops off a bit. I think the best part about getting a dr650 would be that once you really figure out what you want it to be you can customize it to be just that. If you want it to be a street bike that can lean far into corners and rocket off the line you can do that with supermoto tires and a stroker kit. Or if you want an adventure bike you can throw a big tank on and some panniers, you lose out on off road but now you can explore. Or of course you can massively upgrade the suspension, add a stroker kit, an fcr carb, and a set of knobbly tires and have a much better off road machine that isn't quite as good on longer rides. Not to mention a couple mods to lighten the thing. Your video shows that for you personally the Dr isn't a good fit because you want something that you can get on and go do one thing with it but you also want to do 3 other things that it won't be able to do. What you need is 2 or even 3 different bikes. A street bike for tearing up the twisties, a big adventure bike for long haul rides, and a focused dual sport for romping off-road. The Dr isn't gonna do all 3 at once, but that's okay. Try to find a used drz400s (not the sm) and see if you like that better off road. The xr650l won't fit you, trust me. And the klr650 isn't good enough off road for you liking not to mention over 100 pounds heavier than the dr650. I hope to see more videos from you, man, you make good stuff. If you read this far thank you. I wrote this after watching your video at 5 in the morning after just waking up so if any of it repeated itself or sounded weird/wrong, I apologize.

[@rangeroadmoto]

haha I definitely agree with everything you said! Especially the part about owning three or more motorcycles.. although my bank account is less on board with this idea at the moment. The Dr is definitely amazing as an all rounder and I would recommend it to anyone looking for a great all rounder. I think its all a game of comprises and which side of the scale I am ok with comprising, like you said the higher maintenance requirements of the 450-500cc bikes or the weight of the bigger bikes. Theres definitely lots of people using 450-500s as world traveling bikes and learning to live with those compromises for the benefits that come with sub 300lb bikes. Whatever dual sport I end up with next probably won't be a forever bike either, have to keep trying things until I find what fits best.. or like you suggested.. just get more bikes to do the job right. Thanks watching and the chat!

[@YourLocalRaccoon]

@@rangeroadmoto if you haven't already, look into a drz like I said, less power than the Dr but much lighter and better off road. Can also be made a lot more powerful and even lighter with mods like a stroker kit+carby+exhaust as well as replacing the battery with a li-ion and removing some non-essential bits. From what I've seen you can get a drz under 300 ready to ride if you do it right, and that's still adding stuff like handguards case savers and a skid plate. Whatever you end up getting I hope you love it and keep it for a while. Multiple bikes is a pain on the wallet but if you can eventually afford it I suggest a klr650 with efi as a touring bike, a drz400s as either a light adventure bike and/or a supermoto, and a crf450l as a dedicated off road bike. If you have any more questions hit me up, I've not had personal experience with a lot of bikes but I've done way too much research on a ton of them so I can be a wealth of non-opinionated knowledge and recommendations.

[@nicksmith7552]

More than one bike is the answer I can tell you....my 2007 Triumph Speed Triple feels like a rocket ship after riding the DR.... the DR will be my daily “Hack” with mods as I grow with it. My 2016 Beta Evo Trials is good training for clutch, throttle and balance. My 1996 Ducati 900 SS SP...is well beautiful, and tugs at my heart strings for more attention than I give her....and my 1975 Kawasaki Z1B that I have had for 40 years waiting in the corner for a full restoration.

[@billbonu1639]

If you can't be with the bike you love love the bike you're with.

[@rangeroadmoto]

That’s a good saying, I like that

[@jackheinemann8780]

@@rangeroadmoto That's a lyric from a crosby stills nash song, 'love the one your with', its a excellent song and recording

[@rangeroadmoto]

@@jackheinemann8780 Thats a great song! If I move onto another and love that one while I am with it, does that still apply? 🤔

[@jackheinemann8780]

@@rangeroadmoto yeah for sure, its all about living in the moment and being grateful for what you've got right now. It's also important to keep in the back of your mind that the next big thing might not actually be as good as you think it will be, same goes with where you are in life business or whatever, the next stage might not be all its hyped up to be. Theres a line in an eagles song that goes like this, 'What do you do when your dreams come true but its not quiet like you planned'. Anyway, that got deep fast. I just bought a DR650 a couple weeks ago and I love it

[@wendygerrish4964]

I got the 650ds (the dr version was the off road one then) and rode it from s cal up the eastern sierra, ynp and passes hwy 99 and commuter on I5. Relaxing single putput at 70mph still had plenty of pep, absolutely rock solid road performer, i got the dual sport for long distance, dirt and gravel roads. I could ride all day with no discomfort loaded back pack on rack and tent etc along sides. It had a 4.5gal (or bigger tank and included a kick start)..afterwards suzuki started taking away some of its best features. Later 2005 got a klr650 just wasnt the same, but ohwell.

[@rangeroadmoto]

What year was that dr650 you had?

[@teatowel11]

I really like what ypu did with your DR. I bought a KLR as my first bike but always wished i'd gotten a DR instead. Now i have a tenere 700 and its great.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Wow that’s a huge step up! You’re lucky you got one, from what I’m seeing it’s hard to find them

[@coloradomountainmoto]

Another fantastic video! I love my DR, but I'm ready to upgrade to the Vstrom.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thank you! Oh yeah? What specifically about the vstrom is calling you? Love the colour options on the new ones

[@coloradomountainmoto]

@@rangeroadmoto I love my DR, but I've found I'm much more into road touring and road riding in general than anything offroad. The Vstrom is I think the best value in adventure, and will let me take longer trips, spend more time on the highway, not be as susceptible to high wind (an issue in Colorado), so I think it's a logical next choice for me.

[@LilBuck9]

Just bought the 800de 1 year ago, LOVE that bike BUT, I will never sell the '08 DR650!

[@troym6270]

Ha! the list of mods... so true for any of us 650 Thumper owners!! and seeing it parked out front of Take 5 for coffee and Doughnut, your right in my hood there buddy!!

[@rangeroadmoto]

The list that never ends! Take 5 has gotten be one of the cities best gems. Glad to see they are still around, the for sale sign made me nervous

[@ComfyDadShoes]

I have a guy potentially buying my tw200 on Monday. After, I can either go for a used DR650, or KLX300. I’m more so considering the klx simply based on the fact that it needs less mods and has EFI. I’m also not needing a bike with tons of torque, just something for around town and trails that fits my frame a little better.

[@simpinainteasy680]

New klx300? If its in stock id get it especially with the 21/18 wheels

[@ComfyDadShoes]

@@simpinainteasy680 good to hear the feedback.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Sounds like you got some good advice there! I’ve never ridden the KLX300 so I really have no opinion on it

[@hondaryder3779]

I've heard they're not common in the US but i own a Transalp 650V. Best allround bike ever, i put Mitas E07's on it and she takes me everywhere. Nothing wrong with mods, if you have a little extra money. Get a touring screen, heated grips or wider pegs etc. it Will make riding more comfortable and reselling easier. Mine is a low mileage from 2000 so i am good for another 100.000km. Or the Yamaha XT,, you should be able to get one for that budget. 👏🇳🇱NL.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Yeah I have actually never seen a transalp, at least not in Canada. There are some KZbinrs I have watched with TransAlps taking them all around the world, it looks like an awesome machine! wish we got them

[@slakk5093]

There's lots in Europe and they are cheap there. Most of the rest of the world they are a rare model. They still go for 6-7k in moderate condition in Australia

[@mart7404]

great video. Well done. I had a DRZ400 and MGV85TT for off and on road fun. I recently sold both for a new Aprilia Tuareg 660. Other than hand guards and a better skid plate, it is ready to go and a whole lot of fun. Good luck on your decision. As long as it has two wheels and a motor you should be fine.

[@rangeroadmoto]

I’m very curious about that bike, how do you like it?

[@mart7404]

@@rangeroadmoto I am really liking it. Limited accessories, cheap thin useless skid plate and plastic hand guards, and the engine runs a bit hot but those are all just minor issues. It has an awesome suspension and really works well both on and off road. Weight is not as top heavy as a T7 due to the gas tank location and air box is mounted high. Pretty sure I’ve got a keeper.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Would you say it feels closer to a 690 enduro or a Tenere 700?

[@mart7404]

@@rangeroadmoto Sorry but I have no experience riding the KTM 690. I'd say it's a good step up over the T7 in suspension and drive modes. It also does not feel as top heavy. The Tuareg's fuel tank is situated under the front portion of the seat. Certainly runs hotter than the T7 but I've learned to live with that even on hot riding days. Not as many aftermarket accessories yet, but that's due to change and I can already see it happening. Why Aprilia charges so much for accessories I do not know? Moto Guzzi, under the same Paiggio banner was almost half the price. Airbox mounted high is real nice. Fat kick stand is nice. Seat is really perfect to my liking. Has a nice GPS mounting area above the speedo. People seem to complain about the wind screen but I feel only minor buffeting at 6ft tall. Hand guards are absolute crap. Why even put them on I do not know, and the skid plate is basically the thickness of a beer can. However it rides so nice on both road and trail that it amazes me. Good luck on your search. I'll bet you will be happy with either the T7 or Tuareg 660, especially when you fly off the pavement on to a nice two track in the mountains.

[@Theairguitarguy]

Love the vid, great cinematography! Great bike too. I’ve been thinking about getting a drz400

[@rangeroadmoto]

Love the DRZ400! Got to ride my friends for the day, so much fun

[@tonycerruto5157]

Tell me you’re a “hipster” without telling me you’re a hipster! 😂 Just poke’n at ya. This is a FANTASTIC video. Informative, Honest, funny… well done Brutha! Let’s see more!

[@rangeroadmoto]

Well I’ve been called a lot worse! But thanks for the kind words about the video 👍👍

[@jvinsnes]

These kind of bikes are expensive in Norway, $3000+ for all older 600/650 bikes. Just snoticed a Dr650 listed for $1500 that needs some love. Think I'll pull the trigger

[@thewhopper411]

I sold my DR650. Short explanation, I bought a Yamaha dual sport which is WAY lighter. Once I get my dirt and road skills up, then someday I'll get a heavier dual sport like a DR650.

[@404Matt]

Beautifully shot and edited, Fortnine and Bart better watch out.

[@rangeroadmoto]

That’s super nice of you to say! Much appreciated

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍To sell the DR is blasphemy . One must take the DR everywhere no matter how embarrassing it may become . $8000 spent on upgrades and two devastating shit mechanics , but still never give up 👎. DRs in stock , 2011 2016 2019 but still hunting for that next perfect specimen to bolster my exotic collection. . . Great video

[@rangeroadmoto]

I have no doubt the Dr can make it anywhere! I hope you find all the Dr’s to fill your collection.

[@mikeisland7382]

Great DR vid, hard bike to move on from in the dual sport world. Unless you're an enthusiast it's hard to justify the costs associated with buying a performance dual sport and the adding the tank and seat you need for everyday CDN riding. Looks like Kove has nailed the dual sport recipe. Hopefully Honda wakes up to that competition and builds us a CRF600 Rally.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Interesting you brought up Kove, I am going to be riding and filming one next week! I am very curious about that bike

[@mikeisland7382]

@@rangeroadmoto I look forward to hearing about that. If I hadn't already spent the money modding a 450L for dual sport use I'd be looking awfully closely at the Kove.

[@rangeroadmoto]

I hear you, I have a 500exc set up for longer distance dual sporting so the KOVE is really interesting to me too

[@Tws5515]

Great production quality 👍👍👍

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thanks for watching!

[@garywinkworth3380]

hey mate i have a 2022 dr650 in my garage with only 3 kms on the clock . i bought it new. got it in the garage at home and i havnt even had one ride on it yet. pretty sad hey. i like the look of it. reminds me of trail bikes from the 80s.

[@rangeroadmoto]

How come you haven’t ridden it? Yeah definitely looks like the trail bikes from the 80’s. I guess for the most part it is basically a late 80’s revised design that they have kept going for the last 40 years

[@garywinkworth3380]

@@rangeroadmoto don't know why I haven't ridden it. I've had bikes since I was 16 . There the most fun. I'm 60 I Can still ride . I guess I'm Just Slack

[@joebernall4116]

Damn. All your videos are Soo good!

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thank you! That’s super nice to hear

[@Jaffa1951]

Loved this video. I thought it was going to end with you selling it and buying a new one. I guess I'll need to subscribe to see what you replaced it with. Liked and Subscribed.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Hey Geoff! Thanks all the kind words, still no real replacement for the Dr but some other things have come along that will be on here eventually!

[@johnnyg6380]

You just got yourself a subscriber. Good stuff 👍

[@rangeroadmoto]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks watching!

[@The3rKo]

The DR, The Bush Pig, The cheap 690, The truck of bikes. Dang I want one. Can get experience in every type of riding a decide what's the most fun

[@rangeroadmoto]

That’s a really good way to look at it! That’s definitely how I used it

[@cornholius]

I'll probably get a bigger dual sport at some point, but don't plan on selling the DR ever. I love the versatility, reliability, and simplicity. Biggest complaint is the top cruising speed, or lack of. It's way underpowered on the highway for sustained rides. I need to be able to cruise at 80-90 here to keep up with traffic, otherwise cars are recklessly swerving around me. With my current gearing, the best it can do is 75ish which should be enough, but just isn't unfortunately. I like the BMW's, but they are really expensive!

[@mighty1907]

Thats odd man, i can cruise at 130-140 ish km/h roughly 85-90mp/h on my dr with out hassles, it does top out around 170kmh though haha, mine is stock bar the exhaust.

[@davidfalgout7304]

@@mighty1907 exactly !

[@davidfalgout7304]

corn..... where do ride that cages are going that fast?

[@cornholius]

@davidfalgout7304 bay area, ca but it's mostly an issue riding on i-80 through the central valley. There are a few pockets where people just drive like animals.

[@markaurelius3119]

Great footage, great review 🤙

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thanks for watching!

[@AngelFaceMotoRider]

AGAIN another GREAT MotoVid.! If this was 2015 this video would already have 10,000 views. I am curious what you are going buy next and why. I the closest Dual-Sport Queen to you and could recommend a few models, but I get the feeling your going to get a high-strung Enduro next. Wink wink BTW: Did you see yourself in my last vid.? About 75 to 100 Riders came out to our Meet-Up.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Oh man thats a great turnout! Thats awesome. And yeah I am not sure what's next for a dual sport.. keeping my eyes peeled for good deals on lots of different bikes

[@AngelFaceMotoRider]

Are you watching in my city of Calgary too.? Maybe I can go check one or two out for you if you are serious about driving here for them. What are you riding now.?

[@RandomGRK]

Crazy, I was just thinking to myself I might sell my DR, opened up KZbin and your video came up…weird. I currently have a DR650 and a CRF450L. Both are heavily upgraded. DR650 has RMZ450 forks, cogent shock, upgraded rotors, TM40 carb and everything else you could imagine but riding the CRF450L highlighted to me the DR shortcomings and I just never choose it anymore if the riding is going to be dirty. It’s basically my street bike and since I really don’t ride much street these days, I’m contemplating putting it up for sale. However, I’m scared I’m going to miss it and as a street bike, she’s just so much fun.

[@rangeroadmoto]

How do you like the CRF450? I have looked into those extensively. I am really into the idea of a lightweight adv bike. Ktm500’s / 450L that kind of thing. Like RTW Paul’s set up.

[@ckxtreme4338]

Is that the high level bridge in the opener? Just found your videos as im debating a dr or klr etc to get into adventure riding... been on a harley for the last 10 years, looking for some off road adventure. From Red Deer,Ab.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Sure is! I’d say if you’re going off pavement the Dr is the way to go. Pretty significant weight difference between the two

[@the_mikewahl8953]

I was wondering if that's edmonton too! Awesome to see!

[@jeffvaljean6030]

Rode in the snow once never did it again the DR600 is a good all round mid range dual sport bike I no ive got one

[@rangeroadmoto]

Yeah the bigger bikes really struggle on the snow, after a couple hours i got a bit better st it but would still just wipe out instantly for no apparent reason.

[@jeffvaljean6030]

@@rangeroadmoto ive had a few xt250s you can throw them around but they aint much good on a long distance run

[@modshiftmotion]

Love this. Wondering what bike you'll go for next!

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thanks man! Me too haha, you still have your DR?

[@modshiftmotion]

@@rangeroadmoto For sure, I still got it. I have a few updates in mind, minor changes but helpful, I'll have it ready for the next video. Working on it this summer. Good luck on your next bike!

[@kikin.offroad]

@@modshiftmotion your videos are amazing.. please keep doing that.. looking forward your vids 👌

[@JoshuaRenoe]

Great production

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thanks man!

[@chrisl3062]

You make great videos and very recognizable voice when I click on a video. new sub here

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thanks for watching Chris, much appreciated!

[@314adv]

As the proud owner of a previous trashed ‘09 DR650 - I too spent more $$ than reasonable on it to fix all the problems the previous owners modifications created. I see so many people try to make their bike “better” - but I have found upgrades (other than protective bits) change the personality of a bike to much for my liking. I have the ‘09 DR, an ‘05 KDX200, and a ‘21 CRF450RL now. Each are wonderful for certain things. I have ridden many other bikes wondering what I would ride if I could only have one After having ridden the T7, 690/701, 500excf, XR650, DR400, 310gs, 390adv, and KLR650 - if I could only have one that made me smile and did even more in more places - i would have to go with the 690. Best of luck on your next journey - and limit the upgrades. :)

[@rangeroadmoto]

How do you like your crf450l? I’ve ridden just about the same bikes as you and honestly I would have to agree with the 690, I’ve ridden a couple of them and they are pretty wonderful. Talking to actual owners of them vs the internet people seem to have very little reliability issues with them. I mostly agree with the upgrades comment, I think there are some thing I will always be changing as a larger rider, springs, ergo parts etc. But as per changing front ends and building motors I feel like there comes a point where maybe you should be looking at other bikes. But to each their own, and it’s cool to see what people end up with, just not for me.

[@314adv]

@@rangeroadmoto - Long answer - but I think you will like it. ---- I bought the CRF450L/RL new 13 months ago and have put 7,000 miles on it. The Good - I have done a 6 day camping trip through the Kentucky backroads, local dual sport rides with tons of gravel and water crossings, regional (Mid West USA) single day woods and single track riding, and several days of rock and wooded off road parks in Southern Missouri and the sandy land of Florida. If you riding preference is between 10mph and 65mph - this is an amazingly capable bike. Other than some protective bits - the only changes I have made is a heavier flywheel weight and I swap out the front sprocket based on my planned activity. It is peppy and makes your heart pump like dating a super hot but extra crazy girlfriend. If you like that feeling - you will be one of those that keep the bike, if not - you will be like a good chunk of owners who try to ditch it with only 300-800 miles on it. (Seriously - browse some forums). The Bad - oil changes are between 600-1000 miles and Valve checks every 1800-3000 miles based on your riding style. It has a flame out issue at low speeds which I found mostly resolved with the flywheel weight and some seat time learning the bike and letting it settle in - but MOST people immediately dump $1800 into a new exhaust and ecu -- which while helps the flameout and lurching - but I haven't felt those mods were necessary once I got a feel for the bike. You hang on to the bike with your legs/knees - not your arms if you want them to stay attached and not feel the awful lurching of letting on/off accelerator. At first I thought - why keep the DR when I have this monster. But after 6 months I realized if I wanted a casual gravel ride where my goal was to enjoy the back roads and maybe a little mud and two track / jeep trail - the DR was a cushy pig that I could do all day and not get worn out --- but if I want to rip it, maybe get into some single track, and /or explore a part of the woods I hadn't been to before - I would take the CRF because it will get me out of just about anything I get myself into - but make sure to bring extra gas as the 2gal tank only gets you 92 miles at best.

[@nicksmith7552]

Guess I’ll continue the journey !....I have just got my 2022 DR650, Adventure before Dementia !

[@rangeroadmoto]

Hahah someone needs to make that into a tshirt “adventures before dementia”

[@stevencote7951]

Well done video. I just bought a 06 DR650 while I 'm getting my KLX250/351 running again. Having owned over 50 bikes in my almost 50 years of riding I understand the need to try something different. So what did you end up with?

[@rangeroadmoto]

Well I replaced the DR with a Honda Elite 250 scooter for the summer haha, then last spring I picked up a 2013 KTM 500exc as a dual sport

[@aayushkaintura8181]

Im so torn between the dr650 and the crf250/300. I already have a street bike which I use for long trips, but I want to explore all the trails around me and dont know which once to get. Ahhh.

[@Duhhwight]

High Level bridge and Take 5 I live in the same city lol. Should I upgrade from my CRF250L to a DR650 or 300L? I put a few thousand km learning to ride on the 250 last year. Rode it out to Ram Falls for a camping trip the same night as the tornado hit Didabury. What an adventure that was. Id love to snag an RR moto sticker if you have some available

[@rangeroadmoto]

Hello neighbor! That’s a hard call honestly.. the Dr650 served me really well. It’s a very old school feeling motorcycle as far as the motor feel. Very tractor-ish. Which can be a good thing depending what you are riding. Has more power than the crf300, definitely a lot more grunt but the crf300 is a much smoother engine, since it’s based off a street bike engine. The lower seat height can be a great advantage for getting a foot down. That’s a hard call though, really gonna come down to personal preference. I would see if you can find a DR650 to try out and go from there. I’d love to get some stickers to you but I don’t actually have anymore, I’ll get some more on order and try to figure out having them on the website! Thanks :)

[@rubenevora5650]

Don´t know your normal job. But dam you rock on editing videos. Subscribed...

[@rangeroadmoto]

Much appreciated Ruben! I actually do video for a living, this is a passion project for me that I get a lot of enjoyment out of!

[@distractionpool]

Sold my DR for a lot of the same reasons and went with a WR450. The DR felt like it was trying to kill me in rough offroading situations, but I still miss it for so many reasons.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Yeah I would agree, it’s just a little unwieldy when the going gets tough, kinda like you’re just along for the journey

[@beborodner930]

Tiger 800 XC.. 🤔 Selfishly I want you to get one cause that's my bike and I'd love to see your take on it. Unselfishly it's an awesome bike.. with aggressive knobs it goes almost anywhere my KLR took me. Except with 95HP and a much cooler exhaust note.. and on the road.. it's sublime.

[@rangeroadmoto]

You’re not the first one to recommend the tiger! I have a friend who has ridden one all around North America, I need to try one one day!

[@АнтонГеращенко-н3д]

Не годиться триумф для леса,песка из-за отсутствия низов и плохой развесовки.Только для асфальта,увы.

[@phonoscopios]

Good reflection and choice on moving onto a different bike. ¿Do you have a mod on the seat? Love the flat profile on the DR on the opening seconds.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thank you! Yeah that seat is the Seat Concepts Tall seat. I have a video about the mods I did on the Dr650 on my channel

[@Balloutmane11]

I have a Drz400sm I want a xl650 or a dr650 next I’ve had street bikes motorcycles 600s 1000s nothing like the dual sports

[@jackdaniel116]

Hey mate what front fender is this? Looks mint

[@heinschwartz7941]

Good honest review 😎

[@rangeroadmoto]

I try to be honest without being negative.. hopefully that works 🤷🏼 Thanks for watching!

[@mcampos1997]

Hey nice video! Also what's the name of the headlight in the thumbnail? I've been looking for a new light for my 400 sm.

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thanks for watching! That’s the Cyclops Rally Light

[@SlimShady-hk8qp]

What was that cyclops headlight you have on in the thumbnail? Looks awesome

[@rangeroadmoto]

That’s the cyclops 7”!

[@Mark1Mach2]

Great vlog

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thank you!!

[@ericbaumgartner5742]

That intro looked like the high level bridge in Edmonton ?

[@rangeroadmoto]

That’s the one!

[@caleyrose603]

“Endless range roads to explore”, I see what you did there haha

[@rangeroadmoto]

I initially added a Ron Howard narration… but it didn’t quite fit

[@andrisjakubovs5297]

You should try out a DR350 or TW200, yeah the're slow but get you to those hard to ride to places

[@rangeroadmoto]

Yeah! I’d love to try a tw. Gotta a buddy with one. I should go down and film with him

[@darrellbarry3402]

The thumbnail has the bike with a cyclops light, was it worth it, looks cool AF.

[@rangeroadmoto]

It looked awesome on the bike. The Cyclopes doesn’t come with a high low bulb so I was modifying it to work better for a street bike, and not just a crazy full brightness light all the time. I also bought it used for a good price, cause they are hella pricey new.

[@No_one1776]

What are you rideing now?

[@gaara10122]

What bike would ya reccomend? I've been riding dirtbikes for years, I want something light and flickable (that handle's like a dirtbike) and I don't have any desire to go 100+. I was thinking the dr650 might me okay but idk. I've ridden two strokes forever and frankly the valve shimming kinda scares me. Would a Ktm Duke390 be viable? Crossed my mind to throw some knobbies on one and try to get a bit of air on weird bumps/stuff. Maybe take it into the woods for a quick few wheelies and a few 20footers. :p

[@rangeroadmoto]

I’ve never had the chance to ride a duke390 but I’m sure they are a blast. I’ve ridden a couple ktm 690 enduros and they are extremely fun, very powerful, very lively, gas tank in the bank so the front turn in feels faster and light. You could also look at the KTM 390’adventure but I would do some research into reliability as they are made in India so not sure if the quality is as good.

[@ridenm7748]

You might kill a duke doing that lol. No shims on the dr650. You adjust the valves with a bolt and nut. I'd recommend a ktm 500 exc. a DR is nothing like a dirt bike and wouldn't recommend jumping one lol.

[@nolanbaumann]

Damn dude, good video

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thank you my dude!

[@motoknivesandgunsbyjt]

Your editing is the shiznit.

[@dillondurham8692]

What song was that when you were showing your previous bikes?

[@rangeroadmoto]

I’ll try to find that for you! I need to start listing the songs in the description

[@ridenm7748]

Did the baja style light in the thumbnail come with mounting hardware?

[@rangeroadmoto]

It has a universal mount that goes onto the fork tubes.

[@ridenm7748]

@@rangeroadmoto thank you sir

[@coltonmullins2274]

What’s next!!!?!

[@oscarbear7498]

I'm not sure if I missed it but how much did you pay. I want to see if I too can do the same 😅 I just bought a drz400sm 2021 for $6100 cash with 2900 miles used. after tax, and plates was about $6.6k I think was good price but I know very little about buying and selling bikes or bikes in general. I plan to add $400 in mods to sell it in 2 years for 6k and lose $1k🤔 I know I'm losing I just don't know how people get such good deals on bikes:,(

[@rangeroadmoto]

I paid $3250 ($2532 USD) in March 2020.. I had watched the market for a very long time and bought this one a couple hours out of town. I haven’t seen a price as good as that since. It’s really hard to get deals on bikes right now, covid made all the prices go crazy.. people asking KTM money for old Suzukis. It’s a crazy time.

[@oscarbear7498]

@@rangeroadmoto ohhh you bought right before the covid-19 crash. Great deal!!! during 2021 there were zero bikes in the dealership:( just now they are restocking. Everywhere i went they wanted to recoup covid costs and high gas freight fees :( Msrp on a drz400sm is $7600 but the lost new you can find is $8200 new I got a 10 month old 2021 bike. The guy said never been dropped but I saw little scratches, I'm not sure if 2,900 miles is bad. But seem alot for a bike in 1 year. Maybe I over paid but I'm not sure, hard to judge 🤔 It's my first bike, and first time buying a motorcycle, previous all my knowledge was from moto vlogers like you :)))

[@aronob]

Patience is key on finding a great deal, found my ultra mod dr650 of a retiring guy for just $3300 , mods you wouldn’t imagine for the price … lots of waiting but they come up from time to time.

[@davidd9325]

What model is that helmet? Its clean

[@rangeroadmoto]

That’s the Biltwell Gringo!

[@snupermoto723]

So, what's next ???

[@mxgryan]

I'm wondering too

[@slakk5093]

@@mxgryan CRF300 Rally 😉

[@rangeroadmoto]

I’m not entirely sure! Any suggestions?

[@snupermoto723]

@@rangeroadmoto 1. follow your heart

[@RandomGRK]

@@rangeroadmoto Lighter dual sport that is till ok on the road…CR450L. Oil changes are easy and once you have it down, it takes 20min.

[@Enemiesexposed]

Mine stalls, but i want to keep it stock.

[@rangeroadmoto]

If the idle isn’t high you could raise it a little bike. If that doesn’t help you could clean out the carb and make sure it’s all set to the stock settings.

[@Enemiesexposed]

@@rangeroadmoto How can it be low idle if im at top speed when it quits. I thought i was done with these tempermental carbs. Guess not. I heard the stock fuel filters suck, so starting there, then carb cleaning. I mean cmon its a new bike.

[@250mattman]

Get a drz 400sm a second set of wheels, pumper carb and exhaust 😉

[@rangeroadmoto]

My DRZ buddy said the exhaust same thing! It is tempting tbh

[@250mattman]

@@rangeroadmoto I promise you won't be disappointed, I picked mine up new in 2017 and now have just under 20k with no issues except my horn would work intermittently from a loose connecter.

[@theeb1800]

I think the Tenere 700 is the best compromise in this area

[@rangeroadmoto]

I wouldn’t disagree with that! I did a review on the Tenere as well and I hopped off the dr and rode the Tenere a bit when we were done filming and was pretty amazed at how little I noticed the weight difference. But everything else get way more refined and modern.

[@2ndAmendmentGlock]

The ultimate is to get a DRZ400s with ACT wide ratio gearing

[@jimporter7209]

You'll decide that you'll always want a DR650 in the stable

[@rangeroadmoto]

When does that usually happen?

[@ebenroos5813]

You got a new bike yet?

[@AmmarKhan-g1f]

Nice helmet what model is that

[@rangeroadmoto]

Thanks a biltwel gringo!

[@AmmarKhan-g1f]

​@@rangeroadmoto and the visor upgrade

[@rangeroadmoto]

Biltwell bubble shield. It snaps in place. Pretty mediocre set up. The Gringo S has an actual visor that goes up and down.

[@davidcolinfisher1034]

I guess you learned that "dual sports" don't work at all well in snow. No motorcycle does unless you are studded. Wow that was a hard crash. Lots of crashes too. I am not so sure I agree that crashing a dual sport so often is part of it. Spend less on parts, and more learning on how not to crash.....

[@rangeroadmoto]

You know what they say, play stupid games get stupid prizes. And sometimes I play some pretty stupid games. I know riding on snow and ice without studs isn’t going to work on a 350lb bike. Doesn’t mean I didn’t have a lot of fun and the only thing that got hurt was another bend in handlebars that were already bent. The main purpose for including those crashes was to show the parts that were problematic if you were to crash or drop the bike. And as far as learning how to not crash, I am pretty ok with the idea that I might tumble or drop my bike if I am trying new things or pushing myself 🤷🏼

[@davidcolinfisher1034]

@@rangeroadmoto Thanks for the reply, I only mean well in my comments, sometimes taken the wrong way, not so with you though. I guess I tend to comment on crashing, particularly in the new ADV field, because I see too much of it, and the casual reactions make me cringe a little. I am veteran rider, and ex instructor, and had good racing career in the off road department, we call it crosscountry here in western Canada. I come with the perspective that crashing is really something you want to avoid, at all costs. Grown men like yourself don't need to be reminded by others that motorcycle crashes can leave you with live long injuries, even the small ones. I will focus for the moment on the notion of pushing yourself.....I just don't agree that pushing yourself is good idea at any stage of riding. Even the pro always ride within their limits, as to not be crashing. Crashing out means a DNF, means no more sponsors, no more career if you hurt yourself. You see what I am saying. The art of motorcycles, in my humble opinion, based on 45 years of experience, still riding...I have T7, and a 20 year old DRZE, is to not crash. I have no intention, whatsoever to crash my T7...ever. The DRZE i recall dropping once about 18 years ago coming out of creek hitting some slick mud and dropping it. Yes that long ago and I have worn out a good 6 set of tires and 2 sets of chains and sprockets in that time, no crashes. I am not bragging, I am just able to know the limits of all the components, tires, traction, etc etc....from experience. Ya I crashed a good number of times in my early teens, and twenties, but it all stopped as I reached my thirties, and I didn't stop riding. Quite the opposite. And on the subject of injuries from crashing sticking with you into the senior years, well, I can say I know that to be true. The whole notion of always riding with gear to save you from injury, is purely false, the forces are too great. No boot, or body armour, etc, prevents broken bones, and internal bleeding... Thanks Range Road Moto for engaging in this discussion, I find it very interesting. Particularly the videos where the ADV bikes crash, and the rider is carried away on a stretcher.

[@rangeroadmoto]

@@davidcolinfisher1034 I definitely didn't take any offence or feel you were being combative, I get enough of those comments to know what they look like, but thanks for clarifying. I read everything you said and really digested it, you obviously have credentials in off road riding far beyond what I will ever have so I really appreciate the feedback. Maybe I should clarify what "pushing myself" means to me. I would like to say I avoid what I consider crashing with the best of my ability. I for the most part have a pretty good understanding of my limits and try to stay within them. I BMX'd for 15 years at a level where there were many injuries in my peer group and I managed to still advance ( at a slower pace than my peers) in the sport without ever suffering a broken bone or concussion and I believe that is just my self preservation being an over bearing helicopter parent. But there were times when I knew I had the skill level to do certain things and had to overcome my self preservation (fear) and really just push past it and that is what I mean by pushing myself. I definitely do not want to ever encourage anyone to attempt anything they are not comfortable with. I think a good example would be from my video "how I got better off-road". Its from the Wanduro event you may be familiar with if you're from the west coast. There I pushed myself to climb some hills that were larger than any I had ever climbed. I got to the top feeling like I overcame an obstacle and then saw the next obstacle on that path and chose to sit that one out as it felt out of my level of comfort and chose instead to wait for my riding partners to gather the way point and return. In that video I dropped my bike a couple times and that is something I am probably going to continue to do occassionaly as I am still learning how to always properly know where my foot placement should be when riding off road. One thing BMX taught me is to get away from the bike when things are going to end bad and thats something I carried into motorcycles so I am always more willing to let the bike fall then risk going down with it. I am probably going to continue to drop my bike in the future as I learn and improve. Hopefully one day we all get to a point with experience like you have that that becomes a thing of the past. Its a really great subject to talk about and its actually something I have been thinking about making videos on. Some of my close riding friends run a group called Moto Medics, they provide emergency medical support while on bikes for races and most of them are full time EMS workers so they have great insight into the injury side of off road riding. I think a video or series on avoiding injury/crashes would be a beneficial thing to talk about if I can find the right people to share their experiences to newbies like me. Thanks for the engaging conversation David.