RANKING every Patch since Legion! Tier List

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[@ryandavis2464]

Although the time-gating was a bit strange, Suramar into Night Hold was some of the best PvE content ever

[@lilwhat9172]

What time gating

[@ryandavis2464]

@@lilwhat9172 Suramar storyline was released in little weekly chunks for like 6-8 weeks leading into NH release. Was locked behind rep and Withered training as well

[@Lizard1582]

Nighthold had a beginning sewer sequence like other great raids such as BT and Ulduar.

[@nickolasroper3237]

Suramar is the longest quest line in WoW iirc. It’s so long…

[@robotspartan9100]

@@nickolasroper3237 its almost the entirety of balance of power. which, if you've done BoP for the appearances, says everything

[@slaintwice]

8.3 was absolutely the most fun I've had in a patch ever.

[@reesalas]

absolutely, maybe im biased cuz i played a dh but corruption was insanely fun ontop of having maxed neck powers, you just felt so strong.

[@slaintwice]

@@reesalas DH was so fun, except when you proc'd a huge twilight dev immediately on pull lol.

[@aaronlorenz9869]

totally agree most what the fuck moments ever with corruption was just hilarious and fun to see numbers like that

[@joeyvpoisonfree]

Same I miss it bad

[@brownwyable]

Really good tier list that I mostly agree with. It is too bad that 8.3 launched in such a state because once the problems were fixed, it was the most fun I’ve ever had playing WoW.

[@nomnomNACHO]

I agree! The first few months was stupid with acquistion and randomness. But once you could pick your corruption it was a lot of fun

[@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmb]

Take me back. I miss it so much.

[@__Fe__]

One hour Dratnos tier list video. A rare, welcomed treat!

[@lancejohnson3278]

My biggest counter here is that I really enjoyed the Nazjatar patch as a fairly casual player. There were a lot of meaningful grinds that I got to tie myself up in, it introduced me to the fun of M+, and had a cool raid with amazing trinkets. In hindsight they couldn’t do half those things again, and I’m way too hardcore now to enjoy engaging with so many of the systems (I don’t know how any mythic guilds were functioning when we can’t even get people to log on for M+ vaults), but I really enjoyed the lore and the zone.

[@GamingMindsCentral]

Great ranking, but Chains of Domination is a little too high I think

[@Kevmoeman]

Any other ranking than "nearly killed the game" is too high for that patch

[@andrewlavin5517]

8.3 was one of my favourite periods in wow. I agree corruption was underrated, I have fond memories of going pure haste/mastery% on my mm hunter, and being able to hit insane haste numbers with galecallers boon. The ability to feel like you are breaking the game like that is best placed at the end of an expansion cycle. I didn't care that much about covenants, and never really bothered to switch my conduits, but something I think doesn't get mentioned enough in criticisms of SL was how boring the conduits themselves were. I was playing enh shaman at the time and it was so uninspiring to see "lava lash does % more damage".

[@juanmatiasohara775]

I think seeing a raid/dungeon boss, or dungeon tier list would be really interesting coming from you!

[@NotRealColt]

I agree with this! Think it'd turn out really interesting

[@Frawt]

I support this, mostly 'cause that video would be like 24 hours long, and more Dratnos content is good.

[@gramplegust5115]

9.1 deserves a G ranking for Garrosh.

[@Rufgaudas]

Visions of N'zoth was the patch when I had most fun in WoW, played it all patch long :) so many builds possibilities with all the corruption, it was fun.. m+ was also good, Obelisks were really fun affix.

[@trothaksharkpuncher1059]

Horrific visions also fun. Probably my peak too.

[@Shapingus]

Great vid, just some things I’ve noticed were missing while I’m still at the 8.3 part: - 7.2 solved like 85% of the issue with leg acquisition not just by further BLP and gear to further overpower world tours, but Broken Shore recompense caches had insane leg chances - 7.3 invasion points were somehow even better with dropping legs - On top of pre-immuning Argus chains, you also pre-died as a raid sans 1 tank up top, and the shaman that was already down there, to take the tree after one of Argus’ chains casts - Would deduct points from 8.0 for the removal of gearswapping and the GCD change, along with AP being a longer grind than it was in 7.3 - 8.2 Benthic gear. Awful, awful, awful rng farm because the tokens were accountwide which meant doing WQs/rares/treasures on every alt for effects that were better than Mythic raid gear - 9.0 Target cap and potion changes made M+ stale - Not having to do the covenant campaign for renown on alts was a change that took way too long

[@utah123ify]

Interesting to hear your perspective Dratnos. As a casual player, Rise of Azshara was one of the best patches they've ever done imo.

[@ZephosBalnazzar]

ToS is the one tier that broke me and made me not want to raid around the top 100~ range. Avatar before it got nuked by nerfs is one of the most miserable experiences I've ever had raiding, and knowing that KJ came right after who was basically as equally as difficult was demoralizing.

[@user-tw3es7gc7u]

I get why you didn't like 8.2 but for me it's one of the better patches because of how good Nazjatar and Mechagon were, probably the best patch zones ever. Also I have essences in good memory, that was a good system.

[@dratnos]

yeah I should have mentioned mechagon and nazjatar those were definitely nice zones, although the benthic gear was another thing I didn't mention that would have taken some points back off

[@ryandavis2464]

@@dratnos Earning BiS gear from a zone that powered you up for the raid was actually a very cool idea. Obtaining them was a bit crazy but it was a great way to elevate zone content

[@IanStrain23328]

@@ryandavis2464 I mean, it wasn't that hard to acquire the gear, yes there was a RNG aspect to getting the correct piece, but there was only a few benthic pieces on each token, so it didn't take many rerolls to get them. It was getting the proper amount of pearls to upgrade them, because they all cost 5 Manapearls to get, but it was costing so many more pearls to upgrade them

[@ryandavis2464]

@@IanStrain23328 As a CE Mythic Raider I remember being a little unlucky and having to farm pearls on a few alts to get all my pieces max by raid time. It wasn't CRAZY but it was definitely a grind if you had average or bad luck

[@IanStrain23328]

@ryandavis2464 yeah that was the only bad part, was that there was no BLP, but thankfully they made it easy to farm the perals, and you got quite a few pearls daily due to all the WQs and dailies you did with your follower

[@Neomagam]

End of BfA and SL are comparable to Tomb of Sargeras, but Argus was absolutely a cut-above. Incredible patch for open-world, alts, and other mini games besides the big 3 pillars.

[@Chaplin097]

Man i dont know if its just nostalgia but 7.0 gives me such good memories, all these new class order hall quests and mythic plus was such as good change. I got my best legos straight away so never suffered from that issue

[@CleverRat]

Love the content train. Keep up the amazing work sir

[@lovelywaz]

Ah the essences, I remember those where a PVP only sourced essence was BiS for PVE and by a HUGE margin too. 😣😣

[@simon.griesius]

Enjoyed the long form informal content, would watch more!

[@Robin92B]

What's the worse on echo of nelth is that every time you have a new player it takes half a raid to make sure his WA is working properly 😅

[@JackTheJackedUpJag]

The most fun i've ever had was at the start of BFA! i played a disc priest and i just felt so powerful it was an absolute blast i will never forget how much fun i had during that exspansion!!!!

[@royalsego]

what a banger of a video, 1 hour of drattalk

[@lovelywaz]

Visions of N'Zoth patch is when I had the most fun playing WoW but ONLY in the later months after they added Corruption vendors and catchup with Cloak progress. Those last few months before SL came out were totally bonkers! 🥳🥳🥳🥳🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@luigi4297]

While legion launch had a bunch of problems, i think the sole fact that it introduced m+ makes it s+ tier

[@ryandavis2464]

Oh for sure. World Quests. Class Halls (The Druid one was actually amazing) M+ (Also you could respec and swap gear in M+, people sleep on how fun it was to have multiple gear sets for a dungeon can be) . Artifact Weapon for an ENTIRE expansion (With crazy powers, upgrades and relics to equip them with in later patches) and Legendaries that were impactful and gameplay changing. For PvE Legion is S+++

[@Freestyle80]

@@ryandavis2464obtaining legendaries, the unreasonable amount of AP grind required for mythic raiders, M+ gear balance and having to farm the same trinket over and over again, Legion had so many systemic issues that people only realised a month or two into the expac i dunno why its all suddenly forgiven? Atleast BFA got rid of those frustrating elements and AP grind for neck wasnt half as bad. You cant just tell high end raiders to randomly double/triple their time investment in the game and think thats a good idea, legion killed a lot of guilds off, esp after Tomb.

[@ryandavis2464]

@@Freestyle80 Neck farm/Essence farm was still a grind mate. Island Expeditions sucked. Azerite armor was trash and its early acquisition was awful. We lost tier. We lost legendaries. We lost Artifact weapons (Including most of the good powers)

[@Freestyle80]

@@ryandavis2464 there was still less grind then legion, you realise early legion people were forced to create duplicate characters if they their first legendary was crap?

[@ryandavis2464]

@@Freestyle80 No one was forced to do anything. EN was cleared in 18 hrs on release. The RNG of the system was bad but NO content in the game required BiS legendaries

[@AverageWannabe]

nzoth is S tier dude. ez. Most fun patch ever. Best raid ever.

[@Kevmoeman]

Only raid in the game where I went in just to attack stuff with my character, corruptions were so damn fun to use

[@Quirrelq7]

great video as always

[@benwilliams2243]

An hour of dratnos, this is a good Monday!

[@danielkosa5281]

SL Castle Nathria was a different level of raid than the previous ones. I had a blast every time I was raiding, doesnt matter if we wiped or anything.

[@imikoimo6685]

I'm playing since TBC and the most fun i've ever had in this game was Legion, from the beginning until Argus. All classes were so enjoyable. The rng with legendary items was the only downside for me, but still. It had the best dungeon design, m+ was a new thing, raids were awesome, Suaramar was amazing, i'd love to play it again.

[@FireSignd]

Dude Visions was sick - being able to play with BotE, practically 100% Crit and like 80% Haste as a fury warrior was like the power fantasy I never knew I had. Once I had my BiS corruptions, I was actually able to solo a whole side of pustules on the Carapace side, and it was glorious lmao.

[@Darkrampager]

Man I'm such a sucker for tier list content Dratnos forgot to mention 7.2's atrocious grind for mana pearls and the gigga grind to get bis gear pieces from rng'd rng rolls.

[@wowsew]

Another banger dratnos!

[@RobTunes]

I started playing during *Shadowlands*. Videos like this help me make sense of things. I wish I could've experienced Visions of N'Zoth when it was current content, because I love that cosmic horror flavor.

[@highgrade9]

Dr. Atnos for president

[@cameronkilcoyne1366]

I loved 8.2!!!! So much to do 😊 i loved all the collectables and outdoor world content there was, and mechagone was super fun!!!! And TWO new zones that were both aesthetically amazing! But I didnt raid that tier... so maybe why i remembered it differently

[@Tettles]

Wow. Hearing you slander domination shards is so unfortunate. Definitely my favorite system of all time.

[@CorruptFaery]

Tomb of Sargeras was one my favorite tiers because i as a prot warrior main finally got "Mannoroths Bloodletting Manacles". I played every single day since xpac launch too... I rerolled to monk like 2 weeks after i got that 😅

[@erike9074]

8.2 is divisive. I agree with your F toer ranking for high end PvMers. But its probably the greatest patch of all time for casuals/collectors. For someone that engaged with all of the content, my ranking is somewhere in the middle.

[@Lizard1582]

Say what you want about BfA's shitty systems, but it's objectively the biggest treasure trove of collector content. At least we can agree that 9.1 was good for nobody.

[@Imraidhealer]

banger video Mr.Nos

[@lovelywaz]

You know how bad SL was when Dratnos put the first patch in "F" tier before even saying a single word about Maw, Choreghast and Legendary Craftings 😂😂 He did talk about Maw briefly only after talking about next patch with Korthia.

[@voodoo1069]

I think corruption was the first time gearing in wow was interesting and I've played since beta.

[@CrawlingScape]

good vid my man

[@Ougagagoubou]

I as well liked 8.3 (nzoth), there was quite high negativity at the time still but it was clear to me a lot of people still liked it, from simply seeing how many views random guide videos were getting. I even dare say 9.0 wasn't that bad, it just got horrible reputation due to long wait for 9.1. That was SL's main issue in general, lack of patching. Considering things are back on track in 10.0+, can only assume it had to do with covid delays and general blizz issues at the time.

[@Olivruh]

9.0 was so dogshit. i did not want to have to have multiple of the same class to play the same spec because of covenant changing issues and such, ended up just quitting until 9,1,5

[@Kevmoeman]

If you did all 3 big content pvp m+ and raid 9.0 was a nightmare so much friction it was unreal, I had to pick what form of content I was going to be bad at, either my arena team was going to be effected or my pve friends, the difference in covenants for some classes was very large

[@DarkScreamGames]

Looking back at Legiondaries to Shitterlands, confirms to me that whatever people complain about in Dragonflight probably doesn't matter. We have nothing anywhere near as egregious as back then, Even if you're into professions and rep grinds in DF, it's still better than those older expansions. It's also interesting to see that Blizzard always managed to make expansions decent by the end - but in DF we just hold steady but kinda mid so far, with the worst move really being the annulet - we all knew trying support was going to get messy, I think it's a price we should be willing to pay for a season honestly. On mini-raids, I'd actually like to see them do a TBC style, with 2 smaller raids in a tier. Like 2x 5boss raids in different locations with different themes, but both the same ilvl/tier.

[@nathana5718]

Corruption fucking slapped and I absolutely will die on that hill. If you didn't like corruption, WoW isn't the game for you. 30 tank Nyalotha was some of the best memes.

[@lovelywaz]

An HOUR long video? 😮😮 I know what I am doing for next hour! 🤗🤗

[@SV-Cantilever]

I'm a more casual player generally, and most of the time I would play at the start of an expansion get kind of bored, then return at the end of the expansion. The one thing I'd say about WoW is they typically do a great job of ironing out their issues over the course of an expansion, but as you say first impressions are important. I wish they could figure out a way to be at the high level at the start. Dragonflight I've mostly stuck with (even doing Heroic raids and getting AOTC for the first time ever) and that kind of lines up with you putting it and Embers in the B-tier. This was interesting hearing your perspective on it. I think the only one I personally would move from yours is Visions of N'zoth into S tier, of all the patches I've played it was by far my favorite with the corruption and having so many things to do.

[@balrawg5990]

Reaping was a super-fun affix but getting into a group as a non-meta was basically Mission Impossible 😢

[@user-yi6lo4hy5e]

If you can’t beat them, join them

[@foreignerthethird7045]

@@user-yi6lo4hy5eaint making you better player, you play same level but with meta spec

[@trothaksharkpuncher1059]

For levelling up to feel more powerful, they've improved the situation with new talent points. I remember levelling in WoD, it felt bad that my SoO gear was getting worse (except for my Garrosh weapon, of course), but it was nice to get new abilities every couple levels.

[@big123lak]

Damn I used to not watch dratnos for some. Reason but I’ve really came around this season

[@Kitkarian]

It's pretty funny watching this I quit the game temporarily at every F or lower tier patch pretty early into it. Good to see past me knew what was going on

[@kukitanuki4037]

as a casual, dragonflight 10.0 being knocked down so far because of thundering is criminal haha, dragonriding and profession overhaul really elevate the game and the incentives to go out into the world with other players are really important to an MMO ecosystem

[@lost1head]

Also worth keeping in mind that a lot of praise .2 and .3 patches got came from them fixing problems of their respective .0 patches. 10.0 does not have artifact power/azerite armor/covenant kind of thing.

[@Kevmoeman]

8.3 was the best patch in the last 4 years ive played

[@brewtank6738]

Oh this is gonna be a good tier list

[@popojaga7312]

Damn i wanted to be venthyr warlock, esthetics, that spell looked so good yet it was doing twice less dmg then NF... so i had to bend a knee

[@Third_eyee]

man i loved the visions of nzoth patch, i have like 950k coalesced visons or w.e the currency was

[@ollivainionpaa684]

N'zoth to S and I agree, have played since vanilla and that is the best of the best time on WoW in every aspect: PvP, arena was great where RBG not so much. PvDungeon, raid was very enjoyable as seen as guildless player and M+ was at its peak. PvWorld, Nightmares was insanely well made and progressed as it was power gated but still doable based on skill. And every area of the game was rewarding without leaving another in shade. You were able to go full use of procs from various outside class mechanics OR enhance your class abilities, as your liking as it should be. Just giga bis.

[@OgreOnSprue]

This video was great

[@ZKrinny]

I think a good way to solve the leveling up problem would be to remove leveling and just make it so you have to complete the campaign on a character to unlock the content

[@robotspartan9100]

i would counter that with this: leveling a class from 0 to max forces you to learn the spells and abilities of the class as you go. If you just "ding" done in an hour, you get a huge dump of stuff at once, making it harder to get a feel for things. How many new fire mages/spriests are there right now that play terribly because they didn't take that time? That being said, if they changed it so completing a campaign was long enough to level at a reasonable pace, i'd be all for it

[@Nyxolie]

Private aura video is the other thing you wanted to link (Echo of Nelth)

[@JKS_Crafting]

Legion start: what a strange, rng induced time that was! Forst time i played more than one chatacter of the same class!

[@Zamkis]

Dratnos himself is the S-tier patch that WoW has received

[@FxDMadN1ce]

I think you discounted the introduction of m+ in legion too much. It's been called the best feature to ever be added to the game.

[@Scruffed]

It was a great addition, but the M+ iterations in all the other expansions were better than in Legion for me, from dungeon design to affix design. BfA had the best dungeon design for me, and Dragonflight the best progression design and the best transition from season to season.

[@billnewtonactor]

It was a really jarring experience for me to come back to WoW in late BfA after not playing since early Cata, and then playing *into* Shadowlands. I experienced the end of the BFA cycle which people have said was pretty good, and then played first patch of SL which was so bad it got me to quit again, LOL

[@wm-wl8ws]

I personally would put 10.0 in A, very very close to S. It introduced talents, profession rework, a ton of outdoor content, essentially removed borrowed power grinds, and introduced dragon riding. Vault was pretty whatever, and the mythic+ affix wasn’t too good. However I don’t think it should go down to B for those things. I think overall 10.0 is the best patch in the games history

[@69botchman]

I played mage at the start of BFA, Arcane Explosion x3 and Arcane Barrage Execute x3 pre nerf azerite traits were very op.

[@tradingbroofficial]

Visions of Nzoth is S tier for me, corruption was super cool and made all classes feel "op". raid was cool, I don't mind the use of older zones. The azerite grind was more or less fixed by this point as well.

[@user-isajxslaj]

Man I watched 1 vault video and now my feed is infested by Dratnos

[@Jay-407]

Season 4 shadowlands was some of the most fun I’ve had since wrath. M+ was s tier

[@jordancastle3050]

Now that we’ve had 10.2, where does that patch go on your tier list?? Would love to hear!

[@Jonseemann]

Dratnos can you make a tier list of dratnos videos?

[@MrTTnTT]

Pattern: End of expansion is generally the best patch(es) of the expansion.

[@peen2804]

I think the small raid issue was how fucked uu’nat (spelling) was and not that it was a small raid. That’s actually something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately is how much I love multiple raids in a tier. BC, SSC/TK specifically is a great example. Or at least just having a gruul’s, crucible, Ruby sanctum 1/2 boss thing I just find it far more interesting and I like not having the same igid raid structure and format every tier I also think these types of small raids should be used as opportunities to get really wild with mechanics. It’s 1 or 2 bosses so if it’s terrible at least it’s not a whole raid and hopefully a good learning experience for mechanics and ideas that may be too left field for a traditional raid Idk I just hope that the small or single boss raid concept is still on the table for blizz

[@LaurenceCote-dc2ot]

Since there is an S tier but you didn't put any patches in it, it suggests you know/have experienced what an S tier patch would be but its just prior to the time frame in which you are referencing. What WoW patches from the past would you consider S tier?

[@Kevin-if6vp]

I really wish theyd bring back bonus rolls. Trial of valor was also an incredibly fun mini-raid. Benthic gear was abysmal.

[@brewtank6738]

I remember max rolling an arcanosphere at the end of the xpac and I would link it all the time lol. Wasn’t rly good for feral though

[@KnottyDevilCreations]

my guild was just talking about this last night lol

[@Sundablakr]

Might be in the minority but I enjoyed artifact weapons and AP (The Legion version of it, not the BfA version of it). I really enjoyed being able to choose whatever I wanted to do and everything would contribute to my power gains. And previous tier raids in the same expansion still being relevant for AP and Legendary farming.

[@Scruffed]

Legion is remembered fondly by many because of the amount of content that it had and the introduction of M+, but the systems were imho the worst of all WoW expansions (i.e. the legendaries, the artifact power, the fact that one of the best trinkets of the expansion came from a World Boss, among many other gripes). The dungeon design was good for its time but overall I didn't like them as much as BfA, Shadowlands or Dragonflight dungeons. Nighthold, Trial of Valor and Argus were good raids, Emerald Nightmare and Tomb of Sargeras were boring for me, though the guilds I was in at the time might have contributed to the boredom. I had way more fun in every BfA patch than at any point in Legion.

[@adamc1937]

What i dont get is how you rank an entire expansion/patch off of 1 item that drops in a dumb location... legos and artifact power dont undo how great everything else was. If you expect flawless out of the gates, youre always going to be disappointed. Legion was the most fun id had playing wow, BC to current, maybe cause i didnt play a mage and thus didnt let one trinket ruin my day.

[@Scruffed]

@@adamc1937 As I said it's one gripe out of many, albeit a big one since it was BiS and stayed BiS for many specs throughout the whole expansion. The biggest ones are the others I mentioned, namely the artifact power grind and the way of acquiring legendaries (it took me until the end of Nighthold to get my best ones). I normally love playing alts, but in Legion (until 7.2) it felt almost impossible because it seemed too time-consuming to catch them up on artifact power, and also on legendaries unless I was super lucky. Great content, horrible and unfun progression systems.

[@carneios08]

W list

[@Nr4747]

Dratnos and MS Paint - still a better love story than Twilight xD

[@kylechermak7092]

Would’ve loved to see a side note or something for s4 SL I know it was gimmicky few months but for guys who were fringe CE in SoD/CN (world 1500ish), I really enjoyed it. It was like a reclear I never got.

[@lost1head]

He does mention it and lumps it together with 9.2 if I understood correctly. And yes also enjoyed that patch a lot.

[@aaa-my5xy]

8.3 was the funnist most broken system they ever put out it was awesome. it felt like the entire patch was damage control, like as if they had no idea corruption would be so strong but they're in to deep to nerf it so they just said fuck it and gave us the vendor. playing a broken spec with bis corruption and full mythic gear with sockets is probably the most enjoyment ill ever have in this game.

[@DanteDemonZ]

He said Mechagon is the weakest of the 4 mega dungeon?? Bruh that's literally my fav 😭

[@rksworld4405]

very true list couldnt agree more. rise of aszara i did only goldmaking and so that was a personal great patch for me but everything besides goldmaking (i didnt even notice causse i was having so much fun) was completly jaiks. then season 4 nzoth i did bgs first day and esentialy had whatever coruption i wanted to wear right from the getgo so i never felt the initial "jaiks" of the system so for me it was god tier. then shadowlands season one i just quit the game it drove me out for the imo very obvious reasons that everybody but bliz saw since they were anounced "shadowlands season 2 was where it got from bad to worse" i feel that so hard. i was making an all in atempt to have fun with goldmaking and there was nothing good to invest so i just invested 50m into korthia crystals out of pure desperation to try to make anything interesting happen. still had like 180m left but man that was an unpleasant hit

[@fleperd7021]

think my favorite patch in the game by far is the suramar patch into nighthold

[@Zwow007]

I wanna dock visions of nzoth down a grade or 2 for the sole existence that is mythic xanesh and people really hate on corruptions and I agree since getting them was annoying and the rotation to buy them was unneeded but damn did corruptions make farming raid fun af

[@atab11]

what patch from all of wow is S tier then Dratty ?

[@dratnos]

looks like none are in there yet for me! maybe it would be fair to put something like 3.3 in there or 2.0 but I played the game so differently back then that it felt wrong to include those, and i wasn't playing actively in 5.2 which would maybe be another popular answer

[@thunderstruq1730]

I agree on the Dragonflight raids and S1 m+ affix wasn't the best and the raiting you gave the DF patches are probably fair. However the "feel" of the game is night and day compared to previously and would say the game is way more fun even if the content itself isn't as great as one could hope for

[@Zel-nv5he]

Legion : First raid was the best mood i had in raids ever (loving elf theme) Second raid was also good alright the gating of Suramar was kind messed up they could've done so much with that zone and the city itself. Still awesome Last 2 raids seemed meh, especially as a Survival hunter straight up hated by the community and then Blizzard adding a forced Raptor Strike into the rotation, although the simple Mongoose Bite spamming was alright as a rotation, just needed the Fury of the Eagle to be buffed or modified as a finisher like the Fury Warrior. And they also dared nerfing our only good secondary ability Fire bomb just because of PvP... Heart broken. After that the other two expansion in between were just meh, playable but just meh. When the setting of the expansion doesn't give you magic you just don't want to play at all. At least for me. I still keep fond memories of Legion despite of the farm and the random Leggo drops. I just wish i could've tried more classes/specs (Only had a BDK on the side)

[@sabotage7773]

9.0 - heavily disagree yes, covenants stuff was not great, but at the same time it still introduced a lot of new and cool abilities, which a lot of players loved to a point where they got transferred to the talent systems (e.g. kyrian spear for warrior, shifting power for mages, weapons of order for monks etc.) in addition, torghast was really cool and new experience, dark souls vibe style. even though it was somewhat of a grind, it still was the aspect of the game that is lacking in dragonflgiht, which essentially just went back to raid, m+ and pvp content Overall, I don't think that the conduit energy restrictions and the covenants stuff was that detrimental to your patch experience unless of course you get hard from simming your character every time you loot a +2 i lvl piece of gear :)

[@Kevmoeman]

If you pvp and pve or even m+ and raid on the same character conduit energy made you not want to play, straight up didn't make the game more fun for anyone and ruined the game for many

[@sabotage7773]

@@Kevmoeman i understand that it was bad but even in df people make alts of the same class to pve + pvp as your sparks for crafting are limited and you need to have vault items each week, so thats essentially what people could do as they are doing it now and in previous expansions of course it was less alt friendly but still, if you are that hardcore and care so much about min maxing your dps, SL was not much different from previous and later expansions

[@sabotage7773]

@@Kevmoeman i am also just stating my own experience. i did only 3 mythic bosses in the first patch and had like 2500 io in M+ so I wasn't pushing pve titles or anything so i really couldnt care less about having 1, 2 or 3 per cent dps loss because of conduits lol + i had like 99 logs in every bit of content that i did still

[@KevinWoW98]

I agree with almost everything, except for me both dragonflight patches are A+. I wouldn't put them in S because they were still flawed in some ways (bad affixes, mediocre raids, balancing and too easy heroic raids), but the lack of required power grind for pve endgame is a game changer for me. I feels really good to be able to maintain my main and some alts at a decent power without having to spend hours a day doing boring and repetitive mandatory stuff. The revamped professions and talents are also really fun. Dragonflight rules.

[@regularspecial1]

you forgot to do the private aura video link

[@owlfredo]

based as always !

[@jayallen5440]

The other link is the private aura video!

[@Tooldruid]

Korthia...*ugh. F - is well deserved for that damn patch.

[@janue5390]

Dragonflight 10.0 has to be A-Tier

[@riddermark1398]

Nighthold best raid of all time, completely agree

[@OakenTome]

This is just reinforcing my disappointment that I missed out on Legion, lol. Oh well, maybe we'll see Legion Classic in 5-7 years or so.

[@Lizard1582]

It's scary how they thought 9.1 was an acceptable patch. Virtually no collector's content and the new system was shitty tier that everybody knew was going to suck. Tazavesh was fun, but no mythic+ made it dead content after you cleared it. The raid's aesthetic was basically already ready from designing Torghast. Did all the dev time go into making the Painsmith fight be cool?