Ranking the Bosses from Mario and Luigi Dream Team

[@ShroobInvader]

Reply to this Comment with your Mario RPG video ideas and make sure to check out the Flat Mates Podcast, link in the description.

[@Driggsdamonstah]

We could revisit ranking every partner in TTYD or every Special Move in TTYD. As for an original video, Every partner in TOK?

[@elneanderthal7169]

Worst bosses from each Mario and Luigi game

[@kevindupan7393]

Ranking all mario and luigi copy bosses (ms. Thwomp, kamek, trunkle,…)

[@robboxstream9953]

the finale from every Mario Rpg ranked

[@captainet2457]

Secret boss from each Mario and Luigi

[@Sleepyvoidboi2111]

I had the funniest moment fighting beef cloud on my latest playthrough, I was a fan of iron ball boots and after laying into him for a solid minute he does his “Yk you can quit this fight if it’s too challenging” thing. Then an iron ball falls from the sky killing him instantly.

[@ShroobInvader]

What the heck 🤣

[@ericwijaya2119]

This isn't a mercy kill, it's a mercy suicide

[@TheVoicesOfTheBeyond]

"Yk you can quit this fight if it's too challenging" Narrator: *and for that he would suffer greatly*

[@Springdude11]

Nice

[@newerboomerangmiaro7778]

I wish you caught that on video

[@awesomeocelot7475]

Fun Fact:Earthwake is the only giant boss where Dreambert is in his full body since he’s not in his pillow form during it.

[@Dominik_kiera]

That's a nice fun fact

[@Driggsdamonstah]

I actually picked up on this during my first playthrough.

[@supermario1fan]

Yeah, because Luigi was sleeping on Bedsmith not Dreambert.

[@moai167]

Fun fact, Easter Island is approximately around 27.1127° S, 109.3497° W.🗿

[@tibby4503]

​@@moai167 🗿

[@joetrivio347]

Trivia. If the player fails to fully break Mammoshka's armor during his last screen chase by not performing 5 or more jumps correctly, he will regenerate and the battle will continue. However, a single hit will cause him to break again.

[@ShroobInvader]

I didn’t know this at all lol

[@Hello_World_not_taken]

@@ShroobInvader Same!

[@leafboo9897]

Oh lol that happend to me but I threw the cartridge and lit it on fire. Ok maybe not the fire.

[@supermaximglitchy1]

not really, he just had 5% of his total health back

[@ma3mc3mu-X]

The chase attacks are a fresh take for the non-giant Bosses and I'm glad they carried them over to Paper Jam. Wish people made videos about them.

[@ShroobInvader]

Agreed they are really strong attacks

[@CatherineMitchell-uq4sw]

Some basic enemies in dream team have one as well Gold beanie and... you won't believe me on this one but... Pellacrump Don't ask me how to dodge it I got lucky doing so the first time I found it Any time after the first though that's a different story

[@naturegnatiggy]

One thing I like about the Sorrow Fist fight is that it’s full of personality. Like in the pre-battle cutscene, Sorrow Fist is glum during the fight and you can see him barely putting effort into his attacks. Meanwhile, Mario’s idle animations are as perky and alert as always, taking his foe seriously like usual despite the fact that Sorrow Fist doesn’t pose much of a threat. (I know the same idle animations are used in every battle but I’m just making a fun observation)

[@random_d00d]

Seeing Luigi encourage Sorrow Fist was pretty cool too. Sorrow Fist: If I put my mind to it, I can totally whale on you guys? Luigi: Oh yeah! Also loved how his defeat pose resembled the scream painting, too.

[@Bloody_FOXY47040]

The elite trio is my favorite dream world battle. You have to plan the fight, counter attacks heavily punish them, their gimmick of taking them all down at the same time is cool, they are fairly weak to the luiginary hammer and ball, hard mode makes a HUGE difference on them, and they have the laggiest death in the game! I'm really sad we won't see these guys ever again.

[@Masked_Mastermind]

There’s a chance we might see them again now!

[@The-Lost]

my ranking #2: every other boss #1: fly guy fight at blimport

[@ShroobInvader]

Y’all love the fly guy fight too much 🤣

[@lukebytes5366]

Something else to love about dreamy bowsers attacks is how some of them actively show the bros supporting eachother, like the ship attack that requires you to use mario to save luigi, similarly with his hand grab too. Giant bowser does this too with Luigi's sheer SKILL in that fight, and it's a really nice touch to show how much the bros have grown.

[@mastermindo0605]

I'm glad you put Dreamy Bowser at number one. I genuinelly think that it's the best bowser battle of all time. The attacks are unique, fun to dodge and visually impressive. The only thing I don't like is the screen chase attack due to the frame drop lol (I played the game in the very first 3DS). Btw another good aspect of the fight is that the relation between Mario and Luigi seems to get deeper, I mean, during the shy guys attack Mario helps Luigi by hitting them with his hammer and when Bowser traps and Throws Mario with his arm, Luigi runs toward him to grab him. It's something that was never shown in a boss battle before (at least from the M&L series). These little things made the battle so much memorable and really showed how the brothers care each other.

[@luisfernandoleonzayas2979]

I also agree with that, even tho in my opinion that battle is easy because Dreamy Bowser doesnt have a lot of health and in a normal playthrough (hardmode or not) you'll get there with enough level to make him 700 damage with a critical attack (any jump Bros Attack) if he had more life (probably twice) i think it would be a good closure to the Bowser fights in the M&L Saga

[@ChrisHinners008]

Giant Dreamy Bowser (the last giant fight in the game, and the first of the 3 final bosses) to me it’s short, T O U G H. You do NOT get a lot of room for error, and screwing up an attack can basically H A L F your health!

[@deathpie24]

Fun fact: Besides Bowser, Wiggler is another boss that is in every game

[@CR1MSONACE]

Superstar Saga: Chuckola Fruit PIT: Juice with the doctors BIS: After *the carrot.* DT: Popple and Wiggler PJ: Paper Kamek and Wiggler

[@viniciusmartins473]

Not in brothership 😔

[@eymennotreal]

Okay but where is bowser jr?

[@Lucid_PZPL]

I was trying to beat Dream Team without dodging, and it took 20 times to beat Bowser and Antasma

[@ShroobInvader]

That’s interesting but it makes sense, he hits you multiple times for each attack

[@Loner098]

​@ShroobInvader Say, where would you place Bowser Jr. on this list?

[@kevindupan7393]

This is the most unexpected shroob invader ranking that I have seen so far. Especially the giant bosses

[@crinklyonion1410]

I had three major roadblocks through my first playthrough of this game. 1. Beef Cloud I was way underleveled before I fought him for the first time because I was avoiding all the enemies. (I was like, 9 when I played this game so I was really bad) Because if that and the fact that I was really bad at the Luiginary Stack, it took me about 2 years to beat this boss. 2. Pi’illodium This boss was another major challenge for me, not because I was underleveled, but because I still thought I could get by with the basic bros attacks. I had to not only learn, but master the newer attacks and learn when they are most effective. 3. Antasma I still have never beat Antasma without easy mode on, as I have only beaten this game once (when I was 11 or 12) now that I’m 17, I’m replaying the game in Hard Mode, and I will have to truly master the game’s counterattack system. Each major roadblock for me has made me perfect one of the major aspects of the core gameplay loop. That is why I love this game so much.

[@casualkris4806]

I only recently discovered Torkscrew has a screenchaser but you only get it by jumping onto his horn during the burrow attack.... Still is pretty weird.

[@StartouchArts]

Dreamy Bowser is the single most fun Bowser fight in the Mario franchise. Bowser looks like an actual god with his prismatic glow and shifting colors, and it sure feels like you're fighting a god. His size manipulation, cloning, shockwaves, ability to create matter from nothing, and especially his rainbow flames is just... So fucking cool. I also want to point out one other thing: A notable portion of Dreamy Bowser's attacks involve creating minions. Even when Bowser has the power of a god, capable of doing anything with just a thought, he still dreams of taking down Mario and Luigi with his subjects together. Reason #64 as to why Bowser is a fantastic character.

[@FortunAdlaich]

Earthwake is actually my favorite Mario and Luigi boss, rolling him into the water using the tilt controls and then pummeling him feels so epic and satisfying

[@phi_greek]

as someone who not just suffered through hard mode, but boss medley and it's exhaustive grind, i salute you for this tier list. (farming boots my beloved)

[@railfanmaximstill7279]

29:41 this one os the boss I can never seem to beat. I always die midway or 3/4 of the eay through

[@Shadex_Joestar]

I've recently replayed the game in Hard Mode,and this is my list: *Giant Battles ranking:* 5)Robo Drill-digger: well,what did you expect? It's a tutorial Boss,and a pretty straightforward one 4)Mount Pajamaya: easy,but still amazing visually and cool attacks 3)Giant Bowser: awww f*ck the Gyro controls,this dude took me like 12 tries thanks to them just going berserk during the stupid Beyblade section (BTW,thank you Shy Guys for stealing 1/3 of my health) 2)Zeekeeper: really solid fight,I loved the dimension mechanic (thanks to the controls ACTUALLY working) and overall,it's a better fight than Bowser 1)Earthwake: totally agreed with what you said on the previous video:I like how similar to the Tower of Yikk this fight is,attacks are very unique and visually it looks amazing *Now,the normal Bosses:* 14)Smoldergeist: again,1st Boss syndrome makes the fight easy and unmemorable 13)Fly Guys: glorified enemies. That's it 12)Grobot: a really solid fight for the stage of the game you're in,albeit easy 11)Dreamy Mario: the concept of fighting yourself is always appreciated,though I wish he was a later fight to make him more memorable 10)Torkscrew: the same things I said for Grobot apply here 9)Big Massif: this dude's damage output is insane! And that's really it since he just recycles his underlings' attacks 8)Bowser & Antasma: the 2 Villains of the game team up for a really good fight,full of BIS references and solid difficulty 7)Mammoshka: this fight takes Big Massif's "insane damage output" concept and executes it better,and I like how you can easily counter him by also doing insane damage with the Dropchopper/Bye Bye Cannon 6)Pi'llodium: great fight,I love how you have to take it down before whaling on it with the Jet-Board Bash and has really good attacks 5)Wiggler: the classic Wiggler fight formula is executed well,and I love how Popple affects the fight by making your jumps heavier or pissing Wiggler off (can we get some Fs in the chat for him? We never saw him again) 4)Kamek: as I always say; Kamek's fights are amazing as long as Flip-flops aren't involved,and this has to be my personal favorite 3)Elite Trio: these dudes are amazing Characters and their fight is so much fun,I love it Love the team mechanic,the attacks and it's so satisfying to destroy them with the Luiginary Flame 2)Dreamy Bowser: a really good Final Boss,up there with Shiny Robobowser and Dark Bowser Adventure's End is a banger,I love how Bowser is basically a God,I love the Chase segment,the atracks and the fact that he still relies on his Minions This is my favorite portrayal of Bowser ever and it goes to show how much he has changed throughout the whole Mario series (as opposed to Paper Mario where he was threatening in 64 and then became a wet floor sign who flails his arms and talks to posters about that time he unleashed Venom because he wanted a rainbow shell) 1)Antasma: amazing Theme,fight,attacks,everything! He has to be one of my favorite Mario Bosses and Villains ever and it is also fairly difficult (Also,Fun Fact: my game randomly decided to softlock when I beat him so I had to restart the fight. BRUH I should be mad but I was actually laughing my 4$$ off)

[@iamasomeone8698]

I love antasma so much…needs to come back as a surprise i swear-

[@naaylealikhan8129]

YES i am. very excited for this one. Also antasma is still my number 1 favourite battle of all time. I will always give that fight praise cause he deserves it

[@Driggsdamonstah]

Antasma is also my favorite boss from Dream Team.

[@TeltStory]

I think repeatedly sliding the stylus could be replaced by spinning the stylus around your fingers. and letting it dash across the screen.

[@KaiCoco087]

Boy oh boy I bet Dreamy Bowser is gonna be number 1!

[@ShroobInvader]

…wep

[@SportsGaming-ll3ru]

Hoping elite trio is pretty high, I’ve their boss fight cause this time you’re the single enemy and they have backup

[@ShroobInvader]

Number 6 do be high

[@kuks0453]

"Mount Pajamaja" English speakers: 😄 Spanish speakers: 💀

[@Luigigamer-wn3nb]

I don’t get it

[@awesomeocelot7475]

I do love the theme of giant bowser though. Since you WHERE Giant Bowser in the last game and now you have to battle him as the epic final giant boss. But that final phase is SO BAD since it uses gyro….

[@gabry1528]

34:11 how to dight giant bowser

[@eggdog-zmd]

You did my boy dreamy mario justice

[@graysongdl]

Do they really expect you to kill ALL of the helmet enemies in the Mammoshka fight? I feel like I remember ignoring most of them, and only going out of my way to kill the ones carrying spiked helmets.

[@areaxisthegurkha]

Game rewards you for overleveling as shown by the Fire Flower Bros. attack.

[@Masked_Mastermind]

You can just use Dropchopper on Mammoshka, it does splash damage to all of the enemies and takes them out.

[@graysongdl]

@@Masked_Mastermind I'm sure I did that on my first playthrough, but my 3DS is broken, so I played my most recent playthrough on emulator. ...Yes, before you ask, this game without easy access to tilt controls IS just as horrible as you'd imagine it to be. XD

[@awesomeocelot7475]

You should rank all the special/bros moves from all the M&L games in one video. Like rank them all together not just by game.

[@lordmarshmal_0643]

One critique, it'd be really nice if you used footage of an attack as you were talking about it That being said, man I gotta revisit this game some time, it's been years Giant Bowser would've been at the bottom of my list when I was younger, mainly because of that "bad experience" point I ended up getting my brother to do the job in part because _good lord is that stomp attack hard to deal with,_ though maybe now that I have a uni degree instead of being in middle school I can actually deal with it better

[@TheUltimateGooner]

Protest for shroob to do bowser jr in Battle ring and rank it

[@ShroobInvader]

Ugh I know I should but I haven’t yet

[@eymennotreal]

👍 thanks for bringing back my favourite 3ds game

[@ShroobInvader]

Ye no problem :D

[@Joshua-pc3iq]

I had a brain spasm when Giant Bowser wasn't at the bottom

[@enzoruiz4764]

"I've recently replayed Dream Team, and my opinion of it has changed a lot" New M&L ranking video coming eventually?

[@ShroobInvader]

👀 foreshadowing

[@awesomeocelot7475]

SAME! Even though Mt Pajmaja is my least favorite giant boss and Drilldigger is my second least favorite earthwake was so ANNOYING since I was the same way I’d be shouting “I swiped up!!”

[@carlyskolnik296]

Great video! Welcome back! So excited for more content! Tbh my opinion has not changed. I added a whole top 5 instead of top 3 so you can see my top 5. Some spots were really surprising and I like that cause there in a good way was a lot I didn’t see coming. See you in the next video 😊 Top 5: 5: elite trio 4: earthwake 3: pi’lodium 2: wiggler and popple 1: big massif

[@ShroobInvader]

Good too 5 :D

[@carlyskolnik296]

@@ShroobInvader thanks

[@rawsome1234]

I'm sitting here surprised my 12 yr old or something self was able to beat all these bosses without too much frustration also I loved the Zeekeeper fight on a replaythough, it was really entertaining and I loved the concept

[@trist5206]

The reason why the screen chaser is so hard for me is because my ds’s frames die when he shoots the flames

[@ShroobInvader]

Ok thats something that didn’t happen to me, that I don’t know how to fix though so I can’t really help you.

[@esaulmendoza5418]

1,000th like, I’m a HUGE dream team fan and I remember beating dream bowser when I was 8 after SO MANY attempts, good video

[@Boss-mw1jv]

9:49 there is actually a difference between the shell bros attacks Mario’s focuses down one target while Luigi’s is randomised. but you don’t really notice because there’s only one target anyway.

[@jeremiahevans6346]

Mario and luigi should have a HD collection or at least a super star saga port

[@ShroobInvader]

It should

[@brominers3597]

I need to try hard mode it looks so much more hard and a fun increase of the difficulty. Also great vid shroob

[@ShroobInvader]

Thank you and yes you 100 percent need to

[@JamesP7]

9:57 Actually, these attacks ARE different. Although the difference doesn’t matter in this fight, the red shell will isolate on the targeted enemy, hitting them until they are defeated or the move finishes. The move isolates a new nearby target if they are defeated before the move finishes. The green shell on the other hand targets all enemies on the field (prioritizing non-arial targets I think, but don’t quote me on that), the move ending with either the last hit or when all melee enemies are defeated.

[@sockducttape9681]

Gotta say all of the bosses become quite difficult when you are playing hard mode and you are underleveled, meaning the bosses all one shot you

[@awesomeocelot7475]

I used to hate the Zeekeeper boss when I was a teen when I played this game for the first and second time. Now it’s my favorite giant boss plus it’s so pretty even if the gyro is still really annoying….

[@NeonValkyrieGaming]

I am currently trying the arena and my gyro is broke GUESS WHO KILLS ME every time

[@aceash5.065]

12:46 In MK8, Dolphin Shoal’s time trial scarred me for life, which is one of the main reasons I hate it.

[@Driggsdamonstah]

My Ranking: 24. Zeekeeper (Are you really surprised that this is last place?!? Not only is it brutal to get a turn at all, but say it with me… tilt controls that are unresponsive and super sensitive. A huge letdown to the best area in any Mario RPG.) 23. Giant Bowser (I despise hard mode in this game. Not only is it too difficult, but it’s a virtually unchanged New Game Plus in the game that’s the longest Mario RPG for all the wrong reasons, but it also ruins one of the best bosses in the series. This fight is cinematic and climactic but in hard mode, get ready to see everything over and over till the fun is zapped.) 22. Antasma 1 (Tutorial Boss. Neeeeext…) 21. Fly Guy R Thieves (Apparently this is a boss battle? Really it doesn’t feel like one. It feels more like an event battle.) 20. Grobot (There’s really not much to this fight. Why is there a polite processor inside of this robot?) 19. Torkscrew (Again not much here. At least the buildup is pretty great.) 18. Mount Pajamaja (A pretty forgettable boss with a beautiful sky.) 17. Heavy Zest (Here come the Hooraws. They blend in with each other and this fight is the worst one because of the turn limit.) 16. Sorrow Fist (Having to get Excellents every time isn’t too bad.) 15. Beef Cloud (An interesting albeit annoying idea for a boss.) 14. Thunder Sass (Aside from you-know-who, this is the best Hooraw fight in the game since it’s Shrowser done right.) 13. Robo Drilldigger (This fight is kind of a petty squabble which gives this fight some personality. It’s a giant battle though…) 12. Smoldergeist (I wasn’t expecting this fight so high, but the fire is actually brilliant and it’s a good badge tutorial.) 11. Earthwake (Better Tower of Yikk. Also the best giant battle because it’s not too bad.) 10. Wiggler and Popple (The definition of mid when it comes to Wiggler fights and Mario and Luigi Bosses. Everything above is a good boss.) 9. Dreamy Mario (This is an underrated fight. Clever ideas and the fact that Antasma is just kinda toying with you. Missed opportunity to play Antasma’s battle theme though…) 8. Mammoshka (This fight is awesome. Love some of these attacks and the ending is pretty amusing too.) 7. Bowser and Antasma (Does a really good job of setting the stakes and introducing Dream World bosses. Another missed opportunity to play Antasma’s theme though…) 6. Pi’illodium (Honestly this is a much better end boss then whatever the Zeekeeper fight was… the wings shake things up and the Self-Destruct adds some tension.) 5. Dreamy Bowser (A not too shabby final boss with the best final boss theme in any Mario Game playing in the background, as you dodge some crazy attacks. Something feels missing in this fight though. Doesn’t have the same punch that other final bosses have in the series.) 4. Big Massif (Easily one of the best bosses in the series combining everything that was good about the Hooraw fights and there being no crazy gimmicks.) 3. Kamek (Round 1: Definitely the start of a trifecta of Fights with a blue-robed wizard. Round 2: I love the use of the Dry Bones Round 3: The culmination of Kamek fights with the multiple colored Kamek clones.) 2. Elite Trio (This is how you shape a tradition. The fights where you have to take out everyone are always some of my favorites thanks to what those fights could get away with. And the Elite Trio is no exception.) 1. Antasma 2 (Yeah, this is everything I want out of a Mario Boss. Beautiful atmosphere setting music. Genuine difficulty. Story purposes. Dreambert actually doing something in that fight is just the icing on the cake. This may not be my favorite Mario boss but to me, it’s the quintessential Mario Boss.)

[@ryanamburgy2791]

In the final: Am I a joke to you

[@Driggsdamonstah]

@@ryanamburgy2791 nah. Just prefer Adventure’s End

[@ryanamburgy2791]

@@Driggsdamonstah I guess that’s fair

[@kirbykraftgames]

4:25 I just realized that Tower of Yikk and SPCoF are pretty much the exact same style of fight since you compared Earthwake to SPCoF I always thought of Earthwake as a better version of Tower of Yikk

[@yumithehunter6292]

13:42 I mean maybe it’s because I haven’t played it recently but I had rather fond memories of giant bowser…. But again haven’t played it in a while

[@James2210]

When Dreamy Bowser goes into the background to heal, the intended strat is to use a taunt ball to get him to destroy his own minions. I don't understand how anyone would ever figure that out. Surprised you listed it as high as you did

[@awesomeocelot7475]

I don’t personally consider Smoldergeist and dreamy Mario as boss fights since you don’t have Bros attacks yet. Heck you don’t even have a hammer yet! So I consider Grobot the first boss as well.

[@starlite5154]

It's a shame Dreamy Mario in stuck being a tutorial boss, it's such a good concept. It should've at least came back as a major boss fight near the end, c'mon.

[@AlexSpy3DS]

1:12 I fell for it. U got me😄🤣😂😆

[@ShroobInvader]

Yes I added that specifically for this lol

[@carlyskolnik296]

Same lol 😂

[@MaximeLafreniere433]

I have a personnal hatred for the Giant Bowser Fight, specifically on Hard Mode. JUST, and I mean JUST because my gyroscope gets 100% stupid every time I get to the Beyblade section, I actually never defeated it, even after over 7 years of tries. And the cutscene before the fight is *SO LONG.* It just adds a mountain of salt on the paper cut, I'm tired of the cutscene. I played this game on 5 different consoles, my 3DS, my 3 2DS' and my NN2DSXL, all of them have a whack gyroscope during this part specifically. And I mean, I did a perfect battle againt him multiple times until that part. I did have trouble with almost all the Giant battles, mostly for Zeekeeper and Bowser because of the gyroscope, but the consoles do not give me a chance for the Beyblade section against Bowser. The only thing that would made him redeemable for me is fast forward for the pre-fight cutscene OR a skip to the cutscene completely. I am not joking. The fight is GREAT in my opinion, but I HATE it.

[@ShroobInvader]

Hey that’s how I felt about it! Not for the exact reasons you said but some part of the fight is extremely difficult and it made it hell to get through

[@MaximeLafreniere433]

@@ShroobInvader Glad someone is on a very similar wavelength as me. And usually I don't mind gyro-controls...

[@MaximeLafreniere433]

@@ShroobInvader I FOUND A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK!!! I changed my dominant hand in the options, I got the idea from seeing this video where you are in left-handed mode, it's thanks to this video I finally made it! Thank you so much (even though it was not intended)!

[@MaximeLafreniere433]

*against him

[@greninjamariokartpokemonfan]

​@@MaximeLafreniere433Giant Bowser from Dream Team is one of the worst Mario bosses ever. Most of his attacks are insultingly predictable and easy to dodge, except for the Shy Guy attack, which, no matter what you do, you CANNOT avoid this attack. All you can do is tap the screen repeatedly to take as little damage as possible, but no matter how fast you do it, the game only lets you get them off fast enough when it feels like it. You can't even use the Heal command to recover from the damage you may have taken from them, because Bowser's Shy Guy airships will destroy the platforms behind you every turn, so if you stop to heal, they'll destroy your platform and drop you into boiling lava. But the absolute WORST part of this fight is the Beyblade section. Imagine you're playing the Bumper Balls minigame from Mario Party. Now imagine it being terrible. That's what this phase is. The gyroscope controls are way to confusing and imprecise, and since you're not using any buttons to control, it's really hard to know how far you should tilt your 3DS in order to get it to work. And that's the best case scenario, because this fight houses one of the WORST boss glitches I've heard of. If you're unlucky enough to get one of the early copies of this game, there's a good chance Luigi will be constantly pulled towards the lava repeatedly until he runs out of health. This is one of the most INFURIATING glitches ever put into a Mario game, especially if you're fighting Giant Bowser on Boss Rush, because if you lose to him, you not only have to fight your way through the first phase of this lengthy fight, but you also have to go through ALL FOUR of the overly long Giant Bosses again before getting another chance to fight him. Even the Zeekeeper is less infuriating than this, because he's not the last boss in the Boss Rush, so you don't have to go through as much in order to face him again. I feel like my brain cells have been killed off by this boss fight, and believe it or not, there's another phase, and while it's not bad on its own, I still just want this fight to end already. I never, ever, ever want to fight this boss again, because he is hands down one of the worst video game bosses of all time.

[@gamerk1058]

Now this …… is going it be a fun one

[@ShroobInvader]

Yes it was lol

[@genericname4168]

27:51 if I recall, a major reason the Zeekeeper is hated is that gyro controls were bugged somehow. It was apparently fixed on the New 3DS, did you play this game on that system and not the original release?

[@MLmaster135]

the interesting part bout Torkscrew is if we were to consider a "Nerve-Mode" challenge(differs like a lot between each mario and luigi game) where you don't use equipment(cept the run-down items, they're glued to you), only +1 level per area arc, Stache only on level up, or as an alternative, alternating Stache+Pow each level. ie level 2's Stache, then level 3's Pow, and so on in that order. no Bros/Luiginary attacks, and no Badges, cept where they're required, so you're forced to choose the +1 Badge Effect stock for both bros at level 8 for the massifs specifically. the bros would be at exactly level 8, and Torkscrew's surprisingly harder than it appears to be for several reasons: 1. looking at its hp stat, Torkscrew has 656 hp, and the bros, if on the alternating Stache+Pow on level up route, will do 6 per hammer, and 18 total per Jump(5 Mario, 4 Weegee, bar luckies.) when its knocked over. that 656 hp makes Torkscrew deceptively tanky, its a lot of hp for that early on and that's not even the true reason its pretty difficult. 2. the underground drill attack, its actually one of the more difficult attacks to avoid in Dream Team, it will one shot mario and luigi no matter what unless they get the "Safe" landing into chase attack. the fact it intentionally goes slower+switches it up from "Fast>Slow" to "Slow > Slower", can really throw you off. and the "Safe" landing's a good thing, cuz it stops Torkscrew from doing more of that. this's surprisingly the most deceptive attack in the game even when you have the timing down. I can confirm in a nerve-mode challenge playthrough of Dream Team Torkscrew is deff the 1st true brick wall and thats only around 4 hours(estimate) in. all only cuz of its underground poke attack, since everything else's simple to avoid. 🤔

[@captainet2457]

Even though I haven’t played this I’m still excited

[@theghostwiththemost789]

This game was my childhood. despite that I didn’t actually beat it until a year ago. Something younger me (and current me to an extent) hated it was fighting normal enemies. I didn’t care about fighting the normal enemies when I was young. All I cared about was continuing the story and fighting bosses. Because of this I was always super under leveled but I got pretty far into the game because I was a kid and had way too much free time so I would spend hours on bosses. My progress was halted when I had to fight the X form of Grobwbot. That boss battle has a turn limit and since you need to beat that boss in order to continue the game and I was super under leveled it was impossible. So I gave up and put down the game for years. It wasn’t until last year I finally beat the game and found out I still hate fighting normal enemies but I force myself to😅

[@crinklyonion1410]

Yeah, I hated fighting normal enemies when I was a little kid too, but I’ve actually grown to enjoy it more. They can still provide a fun little challenge for you, or if they are too easy, then they can still be something fun to whale on.

[@SuperCatPrincess]

The reason I dislike the gyro controls in the Zeekeeper fight so much is because when I first did the fight, I was riding in a moving car driving down a windy mountain road, so I basically was blocked out from playing the game for hours until we got out of the mountains, and by that time I was home and not allowed to play video games as often because we were no longer on vacation. It's an intensely personal reason, but I'm sure I'm not the only person something like this has happened to.

[@randomwowjunkie]

Mammoshska was definitely my biggest roadblock in this game, and that's the reason it's the most memorable for me (not counting the final boss) Same with Commander Shroob in PiT, but I haven't played that game since I was a kid, so it's probably not as hard as I remember.

[@cataquackwarlord5389]

My big beef with the Giant Bowser fight was that you need to finish him off with the star flight attack. Thing is, we only ever used it in one other fight before that, so I had gotten rusty with it. I'd mostly gotten used to the other mechanics of giant battles by then, but the star finisher still felt new to me, and there was no way to practice it readily since it was at the very end of the fight. So I kept failing at the final stretch, allowing Bowser to whittle me away. Never got past that boss.

[@stormdragonscalegaming]

One reason i believe people hated the Zeekeeper Gyro controls is there was a HUGE bug in the North American Release that made that part impossible to move in, basically making it much harder then needed (thankfully nintendo did fix this)

[@thijsvanpuffelen9273]

When I fought phantasma at the end, I spent 3 attempts trying not to die to his first attack. Then I used a time stop badgering power, hit him with like 2 luiginary hammers, and he instantly died once time resumed. I was genuinely a bit dissapointed. I think it happened because I buit Mario for offense and Luigi for defense, so in the dream world where it’s just Mario he was a massive glass cannon.

[@fabi3790]

Man I need to play this game again It was my first Mario & Luigi. So of course it's my favourite and I love the musik

[@YoshKen]

Gyro controls are a tricky mistress. If made as basic as possible they can be fun like the Star Rocket or basically everything in Kirby Triple Deluxe. If there’s more complexity to them it’s easier for players to feel frustrated when what they believe they did right was wrong in the games point of view. While I like this game a lot the reason I haven’t done a replay of it is because of the giant boss battles. Oh and one thing would have made those battle easier for controls. If there was a reset function for the gyro controls. For Zeekeeper if you are facing north but then move to facing west the game will think you’re moving to the left and that was the most frustrating thing about that fight.

[@greninjamariokartpokemonfan]

I absolutely despise the third Kamek fight. The White Kamek will heal the real Kamek if you defeat him, and the Green Kamek keeps buffing everyone's Defense stat. Also, Big Massif hits like a ton of bricks when the first four Hooraws are much easier. If I get hit once, I'm dead. Granted, this may be my fault for neglecting Mario's defense stat, but this wouldn't be an issue if Mario didn't inherit Dreamy Luigi's HP and BP.

[@OtherAxoltol]

34:11 for giants. While all the normal ones are understandable, giant fights are hype man. (If anything like 4:05 happens just use smaller swipes. The game won't process these big swipes because they go off the touch screen)

[@javierascanio4309]

Bowser screenchaser is so cool it crashed my 3DS 3 times

[@weisstofall2615]

Mamoshka is one of my favorite fights, honestly, I think that the only thing I didn't like was noy seeing the save block and having to do the whole mountain again cause I couldn't notice we were right before a boss

[@naaylealikhan8129]

Such a great video. No wonder your list changed. Especially your thoughts on giant bowser now. Also during the elite trio section, you had a missed opportunity to add that chicken nugget add in again lol. I was kinda hoping antasma would be number 1 but I am glad he was at least number 2. While I enjoy dreamy bowser, I just prefer antasma also cause antasma is literally my favorite fight of all time. Also I suggest you re fight antasma x again just for fun. and quick question, do you still prefer antasma x over dreamy bowser

[@ShroobInvader]

I’m still not sure to be honest, while it is pretty difficult I would imagine, Dreamy Bowser does have better more unique attacks

[@naaylealikhan8129]

@@ShroobInvader fair. Also what song do you like more though. Adventures end or antasma theme. I do suggest you right antasma x just for fun though. Also has your opinion changed on the areas of dream team

[@Shinotheblackcat]

Where would you rank the secret bowser jr battle

[@JezElectro13]

after Zeekeeper, i randomly realized something. this game missed potential to reference Subcom. you have a game with dream world, come on. Japan had Mario 2 not lost levels version, Mario USA, they would get it to some level.

[@ShroobInvader]

That would have been cool 👀

[@JezElectro13]

@@ShroobInvader yeah. even as a post game. i would like to see SMB2 bosses in RPG style with more attacks. maybe Wart wouldn't be 1 attack boss who some people hate?

[@Nuclearstomp]

My opinion on Dreamy Bowser is a bit lower just because when I fought him he would not stop healing and it made the battle drag on forever.

[@Felixman128]

This is my series favorite

[@ShroobInvader]

Same

[@Felixman128]

@@ShroobInvader wait really????

[@ginoleftin]

Same, I really love Dream Team (Bros, if you're european)!

[@mamagherbear7082]

I'm more of a Bowser's Inside Story person.

[@zaden2009]

Ayyy im playing through dream team right now! (Im at the big massif part in wakeport)

[@ShroobInvader]

Oh nice :D

[@carlyskolnik296]

The best part Imo

[@zaden2009]

@@carlyskolnik296 when i first played the game this was the hardest part for me the sleepy one

[@carlyskolnik296]

@@zaden2009 I hated him tbh worst of them. Same as well

[@iLoveBread260]

My favorite boss fight is Antasma, he has great attacks, I like his character how he's like the Dark Star 2.0, altough the only attack i have trouble still to this day avoiding, is when he becomes to many bats, I find it annoying how you'd get blinded by other bats thinking they're the ones to dodge, but instead you get hit just when you land the ground by one of them.

[@iLoveBread260]

My boss rankings: (S Tier) #1 Antasma #2 Dreamy Bowser #3 Elite Trio (A Tier) #4 Giant Bowser #5 Pi'llodium #6 Big Massif (B Tier) #7 Earthwake #8 Torkscrew #9 Zeekeeper #10 Mammoshka #11 Kamek #12 Robo Drilldigger (C Tier) #13 Wiggler and Popple #14 Grobot #15 Bowser and Antasma #16 Heavy Zest #17 Sorrow Fist #18 Mount Pajama #19 Thunder Sass #20 Dreamy Mario (D Tier) #21 Beef Cloud #22 Smoldergeist

[@IAteABox]

I knew from the start Mammoshka would at least be in the Top 5. He’s MAMMOSHKA, he’s probably the most iconic non-final boss in this whole game The moment I hear “Never Let Up”, I think Mammoshka

[@Chaotic_Overlord]

Honestly my problem with kamek Is how annoying they are if you dont use bros attacks (which honestly I preffer except for battle Rings and most of paper jam's bosses) 1st of all you cant really Attack which once you want cause the defense buff and healing make It basically deal nothing. 2nd They will always do the same Attack every turn (the green one will use the ring attack every 4 turns and the White one whever he doesn't Need to heal so like twice during the entire fight). Every single other kamek will do the same attack every turn unless you Attack them which has I said before only leads in to you losing turns so for EVERY SINGLE TURN you have to deal with the broom and the screen Chase which has basically zero randomness so like 15 turns of you doing the same exact long screen Chase. I feel like giving more attacks at least for the blue kamek would have helped a lot in making me like It more.

[@Chaotic_Overlord]

Also I am a month late...

[@warpstarrogue3554]

God I miss this game and love it to bits. Outside of the tutorial bosses and obvious fly guy DXs for not being bosses, I see no flaws until you repeat them endlessly in the arena (like me). For all the flawed bosses, there are the X versions to assist in either removing the flaws at your disposal, or highlight your main reason why like the mothertrucking Zeekeeper fight. As for giant battles and swiping motions, a trick I used when I was younger; simply rotate your 3ds in the direction you feel most comfortable in (mine is downward) and go to town. The only downsides for me are gyro controls being the devil and... grinding levels for better stats and rank, god grinding's a nightmare...

[@thegreatkamekus4524]

How about ranking the Mario rpgs based on presentation AKA (music and graphics)?

[@ShroobInvader]

Possible video 🤔

[@thegreatkamekus4524]

@@ShroobInvader yay

[@swagdoll420]

Ah yes, my favorite Mario Game of All Time (at least of the games I've beaten.) This has some of my favorite bosses, well, period, but it also has some real STINKERS. I might mention my ranking in a reply, but my main things with most of the earlier bosses is that they were fought too early, Smoldergeist SUCKS, and the endgame bosses are all amazing (I'll need to replay the Giant Battles though.)

[@ShroobInvader]

Exactly right lol

[@Adri564style]

you forgot about bowser jr, in my opinion he is below antasma, his attacks are fun to dodge, specially the spike ball and the bob omb one, and when he stop ussing his clown car, he does an attack that is similar to the jump the border minigame from superstar saga, and a gift attack (you need to guess which gift doesnt have the bob omb), and if u jump to the clown car while it is empty, you can throw things to bowser jr

[@barelyhere7200]

How come you did not include the Secret bowser jr fight?

[@ShroobInvader]

Haven’t fought it, screw the battle medley it’s so hard ☠️

[@AverageCommentor]

@@ShroobInvader. Have you tried it in normal mode? The enemies up until Pi'illodium X are fairly simple, you could easily one or two shot them. Especially if you have the Duplex Crown. Pi'illodium X shouldn't be too difficult either, just a bit longer. If you use the badge combination that stops the enemy from attacking, you can use it on Antasma X. If you also use the Duplex Crown on Mario, you can attack Antasma X six times in a row. If you're over Level 45, you should only need 6-8 attacks depending on how much POW you have. If you have enough HP, you could probably win even if you suck at dodging his attacks. And boom, you've got to Bowser Jr.

[@unknight8999]

I am permanently scared by the Zeekeper

[@ShroobInvader]

Fair enough lol

[@ryanamburgy2791]

Time for him to rant about giant bowser a SIXTH time

[@ShroobInvader]

Think again 😏

[@ryanamburgy2791]

@@ShroobInvader haven’t gotten to watch just yet, was I right?

[@ahmedhasan4966]

@@ryanamburgy2791 Wrong you will be surprised by the new rock bottom boss fight.

[@ryanamburgy2791]

@@ahmedhasan4966 I mean mount pajamaja is probably the objective worst boss lol

[@donnawilson5578]

I hate the zeekeeper because I lost my stylus and I can’t swipe well so it gets annoying swiping but failing (also there is motion controls but who cares). (Also yes I can’t swipe good enough to beat it).

[@ShroobInvader]

Yeah that’s fair

[@railfanmaximstill7279]

30:48 What about that god damn turn limit

[@jonahj9519]

No Bowser Jr? Aw, that’s a cool fight.

[@Bowser6495]

Where would Bowser Jr. be ranked if you included secret bosses?

[@ShroobInvader]

So I haven’t ever fought him but from what I’ve seen (not including the stupid battle medley) he would be VERY high on the list, I like his attacks a lot from what I saw

[@Bowser6495]

@@ShroobInvader oh ok then also do you know the secret involving his Jr. Clown Car?

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

26:47 It’s worse when your gyro controls are broken and will not respond to you.

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

27:54 I despise both.

[@muhammedsamman]

Idk if you're going to read this, but 3d green shell and 3d red shell are slightly different. Green shell attacks the closest enemies randomly, while red shell will only hit the targeted enemy unless killed.

[@Bowser6495]

I don't hate Zeekeeper for the Gyro controls honestly they've 99% of the time just worked for me no the thing I hate about Zeekeeper involves his exploding energy orb attack not the big 1 mind you but the version that summons multiple smaller energy orbs because no matter how many times I've played that boss I can not figure out how to do it properly meaning most of the time there goes most of my health and while i can excuse normal Zeekeeper slighty because he won't use it right away meaning at least in my case I don't see it usually but Zeekeeper X will use it right away so that's a rip for me especially if your doing the Giant Boss Rush because you know who is after him so yeah that was my rant on why I don't like his fight

[@ShroobInvader]

Fair enough lol. I still think the attack isn’t as bad but I will say that I never want to fight Zeekeeper X or any of the Giant Battle X forms in either games lol

[@aidenliveandreloaded2522]

My problem with mamoska was when i was 10 was when his shell broke. That part was so bad that i quit the game for years 2015 or 2016 is when I said !@#$ it and gave up in 2017 I move to an Apart ment clean my dads and brothers room Just to look for dream team, guess what I couldn't find it, fast forward to 2021 and my dad gets me a new copy and i have to start the game over I beat mamoksa first try and dont reallt hate the boss anyway but im still putting it at the bottom of list If i ever make one

[@nicholasknight6828]

I'm excited

[@Danchildus]

I'm pretty sure it's "Mount Pajama - ja" based on the games theme around sleep.

[@ericwijaya2119]

Huh, I'm noticing a severe lack of Bowser Jr in this list. Unless he's planned for like a Mario and Luigi Super Bosses Ranking (which doesn't have that much competition, it only has 3 superbosses, 6 if you count the Elite Trio and Bowser superbosses in Bowser Jr's Journey and the Inside Story Shroobs, ok, maybe a lot more than 6 if you count the rest of the X Bosses) I can't find a reason as to why he's excluded from the list.

[@RomanBurrow-cb7xy]

My 5 favorite bosses are: 5. Giant bowser (the sequenced attacks dropped this fight to number 5, even though I wanted it to have the number 2 spot) 4. Elite trio (In hard mode or the battle ring this fight may be hell) 3. Antasma (this is a good final boss for the dream world) 2. Dreamy bowser (So close to being number 1, but there’s one other boss that’s much better in my opinion) 1. Bowser jr (This is in the battle ring, and the fight is very fun + using his koopa clown car against him is so satisfying)