Raphael came to the Astral Plane after refusing the Emperor's help, he is quite intimidating

[@FBWL-u1r]

Every new footage and dialogue I see with Raphael which I haven't seen before makes me so happy. I could listen to him for HOURS.

[@headcreeps7198]

fr

[@noplace3571]

His voice actor reads a lot of audiobooks, thank me later 😂

[@bunniewood]

3:33 Me signing a lease with my landlord who just upped the rent

[@TheGoddamazon]

Too real 😂

[@Codefan321]

Me signing up for Disney+

[@eriathdien]

I'd never felt so powerless and humiliated in a game than in that scene. Needless to say, I reloaded a save where I could do The House of Hope and killed this beautiful bastard with gusto.

[@feodaron89]

Well, he's a devil...this scene is supposed to look like this...authentic, don't you think?

[@ladymaria5921]

How do you trigger this scene?

[@eriathdien]

@@ladymaria5921 when you are taken by the Emperor into the prism after the first encounter with the Netherbrain, you haven't gotten the Orphic hammer and you denied the Emperor the netherstones. The Emperor decides to join the Netherbrain and you're left there and without options.

[@eriathdien]

@@feodaron89 you're absolutely right. My feelings were completely authentic as well

[@ladymaria5921]

Oh I see, thank you! The game did Emperor dirty his character writing is so weird/bad. @@eriathdien

[@TheReapergod36]

Raphael appears almost desperate here, despite his attempt at threats and intimidation.

[@StormyKopaAMVs]

Yeah, he really wants that Crown. If the Absolute wins, he can't get it.

[@horrorfan117]

So... if you let yourself become a mindflayer does that mean Raphael can't collect your soul if you refuse to give him the crown?

[@CaesarCallaway]

Yes because becoming a mind flayers destroys the soul according the forgotten realm lore.

[@seeinred]

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to imply you're going to refuse. And without refusal, Raphael gets the crown and becomes new Asmodeus.

[@kevinyalantis-scottproduct7035]

​@nerzhull2550 Raphael would not be able to overthrow Asmodeus with the crown. We know that because Mephistopheles already had the crown, and he never used it to overthrow Asmodeus. Mephistopheles certainly knew more about the crown than Raphael, and he also wants to overthrow Asmodeus. The fact Mephistopheles didn't means he couldn't, so there's no reason to think Raphael could.

[@Gaos031]

that is impossible, for the same Mephistoteles who in scales of power only Asmodeus surpassed him, for him the crown was nothing more than a curiosity of history, just a museum piece@@seeinred

[@seeinred]

@@kevinyalantis-scottproduct7035 The Raphael's ending suggest otherwise. Raph successfully taken over Avernus, stops blood war and in his own words even his father is among those who submits. Also also, Mephistopheles lore is a bit funky at the moment. Nobody denies his power, but he had some huge fuckups in the past and if Raph's to believe, he was just unwilling to use Crown - the same crown, mind you, that was stolen by 3 mortals (yes, chosen, but still mortals).

[@SmileyWaffle]

I had genuinely been wondering if something like this could happen and i'm SO HAPPY that it can love this smug bastard

[@joshuaseagondollar2495]

Man I wish there was an option for Fiend Warlocks to have him as a patron. The interactions would have been amazing!

[@MatthewCampbell765]

I've seen a headcanon or a roleplaying suggestion that there's a few characters that you can think of as being your patron for a warlock: • Raphael for Fiend Warlocks • Auntie Ethel for Archfey Warlocks • The Tadpole/The Emperor for Old One Warlocks

[@wtfthisisntminecraft3501]

I really regret killing him in my run solely because the scenes where you make any sort of deal with him look so much more interesting. It's a shame he didn't have a death cutscene or something like that. With villains like him, the post-defeat breakdown is always the cherry on top of it all.

[@NubRusty]

interesting. I didn't even know this was an option. I guess it makes sense to have Raphael as a backstop if you exhaust all other options.

[@CatroiOz]

I don't think that's the case because by this point he can be dead no ?

[@mara_jade021]

​@@CatroiOzNo because if he is dead you have the hammer. You need to trigger the hammer or break the contract to kill him as he only can be slaughtered in his astral plane.

[@CatroiOz]

@@mara_jade021 oh yeah my bad I'm dumb

[@Arthillis]

@@mara_jade021 I haven't tested this but if you steal ANYTHING in his display area like say the gauntlets the alarms will go off. But he might not show up if you don't free hope first? Since you need the hammer to free hope? So i guess you might be able to steal the good stuff (other then the hammer) and get out without facing raph? But hell, you want to face raph because the music in that fight is kick ass. Gave me goosebumps when he starts singing. So in character for him.

[@mara_jade021]

@@Arthillis You need the hammer you can't kill Raphael without him. You simply return to the city

[@FoxBatinaHat]

I love the wrinkles on his forehead, in his eyebrow raising moments. He's such a great character.

[@BooTeaCheeks]

Being able to completely block the Astral prism with a snap of his fingers at Sharress Carress was one thing, but being able to teleport into and out of it the same way is a lot. Why not break pit Orpheous himself instead of "take this hammer and hit this rock beside me". On my last playthrough, I took his deal early and put the hammer in my chest to reduce weight while I played through act 3... then forgot it when I went to confront the brain... he didn't show up 😂

[@cherryloid1062]

Stop this made me laugh too hard xD

[@evocaeden2932]

Remember that devils, or in this case cambions, do not necessarily need to be physically present for such conversations. Mizora appeared before Wyll and the party several times when her body was actually trapped in the Mind Flayer pod in Moonrise Towers. Raphael might not be physically present in the Astral Prism, merely projecting into it. But even still, given the very nature of the Prism that is still quite a feat.

[@caseyjones3520]

If Raphael broke out Orpheus himself the Prince of the Githyanki definitely wouldn't just hand a precious netherbrain-creating artifact over to him. Making a deal with the player ensures he will get what he wants without having to combat an entire race for it

[@BooTeaCheeks]

@caseyjones3520 Maybe, especially considering Gith dragons come from a deal with a diety from Avernus (though they're allegedly dead)... but Orpheus has no problem with us having the crown? He obviously has the ability to read our minds to a certain extent, considering he can recite every crime against the Gith you ever committed the moment you free him. He would know what we were up to as well.

[@jamesandthemgiantcheeks2798]

Never knew I needed a Renaissance era Matthew McConaughey before. But Raph doesn't disappoint.

[@forfaerghus8092]

1:26 I swear Raphael looks DIRECTLY at the player at this moment. Something tells me he KNOWS this is a video game and revels tormenting the actual player. Like he actually wants to break out of the screen and entrap us in the real world.

[@EyeOfTheMind86]

in the ending scene he speaks directly to the player, so yes, he breaks the fourth wall and his plan is to conquer all multiverse.

[@allycattiny]

Outside of the Shar Temple he says "to warn YOU [looking away from Tav into the camera to his left] of the dangers ahead". That with the end scene it seems he is aware its a game. (Karlach can figure out she is in a game too sometimes, apparantly, but I can't for the life of me get this to trigger.)

[@TheGoddamazon]

The writers use Raphael and Withers as a kind of Greek chorus and I love that.

[@tyrians]

I had him appear in my last game even though I had the hammer on me. I broke Orpheus free, had the convo with Orpheus and Raphael was going on about how Orpheus was still stuck in the orb. Funny glitch to say the least.

[@M3T4LV1K1NG]

Had no idea Raphael showing up in the Astral Plane was a thing! What exactly do you need to do to make that happen?

[@hjwpumps9574]

probably break orpheous out and then kill him

[@HatchetHaro]

Probably telling the Emperor that you're freeing Orpheus without retrieving the Orphic Hammer first.

[@Northalix]

I went to the Astral Plane without the hammer, without Karlach and refused to give the stones to Emperor.

[@Aristocles22]

1. Don't kill Raphael in the House of Hope. 2. Refuse the "emperor". 3. Don't already have the Orphic Hammer.

[@Jewels___]

@@Northalix How does it change if you go with karlach?

[@Nihoolious]

He says he would take your soul if you didnt deliver on the contract. But if you become an illithid, a "soulless" creature, would you in theory be safe from Raphael stealing your soul?

[@Aristocles22]

Your soul? Yes. That of everyone else on the material plane? No.

[@Hekk.]

What has "everyone" else have to do with the contract you signed?

[@basbarbeque6718]

@@Aristocles22 Everyone else's souls are completely irrelevant to the contract. If the contract grants Raphael YOUR soul, and you turn into an Illithid, who's souls cease to exist, Raphael gets NOTHING.

[@Devakiinable]

@@basbarbeque6718Does it quit existing or does it just go to him because you 'die'

[@DaJuggernate]

He said "Your souls" He's talking about the party, so yes, yours will be safe, but the other party members, are not.@@Hekk.

[@graydhd8688]

I love how your character just gave a bored sort of "yeah yeah, you done yet?" expression in the first minute

[@ismlamaroof6438]

Tbh...Raphael is actually pretty reasonable in his dealings.

[@Aristocles22]

If he survives to the end of the game with the crown, he's almost certainly going to become an even greater threat than the Absolute ever was, given that he'll have all of hell to back him, the crown of Karsus at his disposal, and no arbitrary way of blocking his power, as Orpheus can do to the Mind Flayer hiveminds.

[@elitegamer9310]

He's not, really. The Crown of Karsus is an incredibly powerful magical artifact that was once used to destroy the Goddess of Magic herself. Of all the wrong hands in the Forgotten Realms, a Devil's are by far the worse.

[@sharpasacueball]

​@@Aristocles22It's debatable whether he would be able to use the crown or if the devil god will just remove him from existence. His dad didn't use the crown for a reason

[@Aristocles22]

@@sharpasacueball He clearly was able to use the crown to conquer the hells.

[@aonirsplayground6224]

Too bad he has some phat loot

[@tofton1977]

This guy sure like the sound of his own voice... so much words to tell you that you're screwed without him!

[@music0cool]

So do I lol

[@MrSoup-zs4rd]

Raphael is far less ruthless than i'd thought. You come to him begging and he could take your soul and the Crown, but settles for one or the other. A fiend with principles, who'd have thought?

[@AdMerIin]

He's a Devil, not a demon, and he's got his Daddy's good sense of contracts. He's a Lawful evil, he's only as good as his word

[@MrSoup-zs4rd]

@johnholland5419 Not in the strictest sense, a Devil can lie to your face about what's stipulated in a Contract. In Descent into Avernus, there's an encounter with an Imp and a Halfling. The Halfling has run out of food and it's making a deal for a months worth in exchange for his soul. Upon reading the contract, it actually stipulates that the Imp has full possession over the souls of the halfling and his family. If you do not intervene, the Imp kills everybody.

[@Tumasch]

cause he's playing the long game

[@MisterAnimann]

The Crown is the thing he wants, a few mortal souls are nothing to him by comparison. He’s just using that alternative as a threat. If he doesn’t offer a way out, you have no reason not to just give up and become illithid instead.

[@MrSoup-zs4rd]

@@MisterAnimann That's a perspective I hadn't considered. Thanks for pointing it out 👍

[@TheGreenReaper]

Huh. You'd think he'd want to take their souls too, to be honest. I guess he did have that contract all prepared...

[@Konghammer1]

I am very sad. I recently had my *SPOILERS!!!!* ................... Fight with Raphael. I don't know why they didn't do soundtracks for all the big bosses but his battle music absolutely slaps. Made that fight super epic, especially since my death blow was a mighty explosion of lightning right as the music hit fever pitch. I left the hells feeling like a proper beast, more souls for my dark father.

[@Selene_Moon98]

It’s kinda funny how he believes that he could overthrow Asmodeus . Like not even Mephistopheles couldn’t even overthrow him and he had the crown of karsus and didn’t even use it. That’s how you know how those archdevil are strong af.

[@thesovereign8625]

Is it because Meph didn't have the Netherstones but Raphael does?

[@sagittariusa7662]

0:30 Four Elf Women: "Oh My Goddesses, if this loud Devil keeps talking about his f'ing claw, I am going to tear it off and make him eat it."

[@Obtite]

call me a submissive person, but id love a expansion of this game, where i can side with raphael in a way, lets say when you defeat him in his house of hope, you can tell him something like. i let you live, you will take me under your wing, give me some kind of dark knight job, in return i will furfill your wishes. i know what your thinking, but its not my fault raphael got 100 carisma. its probably the only villain in this game i regret killing. only cause i wanted that chest piece.

[@benito9830]

You can kill him in his house by stealing the Orphic hammer

[@RetroCube]

Kinda agree. I wish being evil in this game was more satisfying. Unfortunately you miss out on a lot of content and the game doesn’t really make it worthwhile to go the villainous route. I understand having your companions leave you and there being consequences, but there really should be more “evil” related content put into your story to make up for those choices.

[@ZeriocTheTank]

Lawful evil is sexy. Embrace it, love it, cherish it.

[@grinvich.76]

If tou refuse him at this moment than it's gameover and you're mini-ctulhu?

[@Tumasch]

I dig your gril-power team

[@Dagroth]

If you sign Raphael's contract, is it possible to later tell him to shove it? Sure, he will then take the PC's soul, but not get the crown, some people could consider that an acceptable self-sacrifice.

[@satan-pm5er]

I mean. u can tell him no, he takes your soul and the crown from your corpse anyway

[@BrofessorDG]

Finally, raphael shows his true face

[@antongunther3977]

What happens if you kill Raphael, dont take the hammer and dont side with the emps

[@horrorfan117]

Absolute victory I'd assume.

[@BlazeIgnitus]

Netherbrain: "YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND... THRALL!" Game over.

[@cronicasdeltiempo7540]

You have to either have the emperor or Orpheus with you. Otherwise no one will protect you from the Absolute

[@DomenicoM88]

You cannot kill him without stealing the hammer from his "home".

[@kocashima]

Well then you need Gale to use his nuke

[@Ancaryvan]

🤣 Thank you so much for showing a whimpiest character ever.

[@bonkyouded]

Naha kill the bastard instead, way more fun and ontop of that. YOU GET A LEGENDARY ARMOR!

[@StyleshStorm]

There's so many branched pathways. I'm going down a half illthid psionic powerful road with my Tav: Wandering Seer but will not go full squid 🐙 🦑 mode. Instead refuse whenever that happens because something tells me it will come up eventually. But Raphael is a terrifying secondary antagonist. He's literally Satan just waiting in the shadows watching carefully until your chosen hero, neutral or villain fucked up.

[@MoonsongReverb]

Raphael is a Narcissist, the worst the Hells have seen. That happens if you give such a narcissist no attention. I killed him before i went saving Wyll's Dad, blowing up the Steel foundry etc.. And yes, i had fun doing it, too :D I oly find the Emperor worse with his ongoing manipulations. I look foreward to show him the middle finger^^

[@emeraldgaze]

Man, this would make me wanna turn down his deal and let the netherbrain win, if this is how he's gonna be.

[@Positivectrl]

SPOILER: i tried to "ally" Gortash for fun - killed Orin and returned with 2 stones to him, and he was like "Ok that's so cool! ...now, hand me the stones, so that we can rule as equals" lmaoooo...and when you give the stones to him he just attacks...mocking you along the way lol

[@ninjificus]

that is why you say no...is a test to him.

[@Mak10z]

where were the witnesses? there were no infernal arbiters! That contract is invalid! Rules Lawyer that shit YO!

[@yasinakbulut9115]

Is the bargain void if you decide to betray orpheus at the last second and become the absolute?

[@schinkrio5575]

And now, let Gale do his thing. :)

[@OmegagamingDK]

What happens if you kill Raphael but don't have the hammer at this point?

[@jmacve6786]

What happens if you get here after defeating Raphael, but dont have the hammer for one stupid reason or another? (Sell it, didn't actually grab it etc.)

[@allycattiny]

I dont think you cant kill Raph w/o grabbing it though? doesnt that trigger him entering the house?

[@ardex9677]

Yeah, well. Killing Raphael feels way better and more challenging than Nestor Mind. I doubt there will be even my most evil playthrough where I become his loser and do not kill him.

[@nicoledavis5719]

At least I don't bottom for an incubus that looks like me

[@karlebykok9177]

i'm not sure about this but i doubt that will stop him from getting ur soul, signing the contract it's like u get urself marked or tattooed in the soul. Transform into mind flayer count as u're dead, it just have ur memory, ur soul will be end up in hell. Summary, deals with demon always sucks, example: Wyll

[@ravell2854]

he honors the deal, see the raphael ending. he did not take your soul, he go into conquest across the cosmos but promised you that some day he will come knocking at your world....

[@TickerSymbolYOU]

Ok but how the heck do you have Minthara and Jahiera in the same playthrough?!

[@Northalix]

It's possible, rescue Minthara from Moonrise, save the Nightsong and tell Jaheira to join you for the fight. Apparently she doesn't care that you killed the druids in Act 1 xD

[@TheoM30]

​@@Northalix You don't even have to save the Nightsong. I let Shadowheart kill her. I helped Isobel getting captured and then lied to Jaheira, then killed Isobel when confronting her father. At the end of Act 2 she had nothing and still joined me. I can't really talk about Act 3 because i'm not far enough but in theory you can be the Slayer, have Minthara, Jaheira and Minsk in the same party. Just got to be deceptive enough.

[@splintergp]

@@TheoM30 if you accept bhaal at his temple jaheira comes after you with her people

[@TheScribeScribe]

@@splintergp So just don't fight orin. You can be bhaal's assassin, knock out the bard in the grove to get her super robe later, get the deathstalker mantle, slayer form and kill isobel then flee to not lose potential quests + their rewards in act 3 from the last light inn characters. There's even a way to get both Halsin and minthara but they glitch in camp since they take the same spot.

[@ninjificus]

@@splintergp and Minsc if you've already gotten him.

[@acavaglia]

how did you trigger this dialog? Given that i kill Raphael in the first 2-3 hours in act 3 i never saw that xD

[@allmite]

Does this happen if you kill the Emperor when the githyanki attack him, or?

[@abduljah9355]

I think it's if you chase the Emperor away but don't have the hammer at the very end of the game.

[@Bonibello]

0:30 for someone who cares a lot about time he sure likes wasting mine with these verbose, incessant monologues

[@Warrigt]

why does this group look liked a failed HSchool goth group lol

[@ajxx9987]

What if you accept the deal but decide to help the emperor instead? Does he get mad if you don't free orpheus?

[@richardshiflett5181]

You signed a contract. He takes your soul

[@sagittariusa7662]

Bhaal: "So you are Raphie, I take it." Raphael: "Hey, only your former daughter can call me that." Fiona Du'Varia: *Smirks* Raphael: "OH SHUT UP!"

[@VictorWeismann]

Well, i never like Raphael since he show up, soo.... When i have a oportunity to kill him. I kil. hehehehe

[@frienzy7229]

Average girl's night out 😌

[@GRIMHOOD99]

Disrespecting his father I can get but ambition to take control of nine hells from Asmodeus and end blood war? Dude Asmodeus is a prime deity and he was not able to end the blood war who do you think you are?

[@philippemontesinos9034]

Asmodeus is like the "just as planned" god, we have no idea if he could actually win the blood war and just decided to not end it for some other plans. Some splat book says that Asmodeus could have actually won the blood war but he decided against it because ending the blood war, means ending the world, if the devil wins, everyone will just muster for war and you get a massive planar total war where everyone dies and the planes might end up collapsing, if the demons win, well, everyone get eaten by the infinite hordes from the abyss. And I won't get into the whole Ahriman is Asmodeus debacle that is probably retconned... But that stuff is wild.

[@brunohommerding3416]

Actually its been implied that asmodeus can end the blood war any time he wishes. The fact it exists is because he allow it to continue for some reason not yet revealed.

[@ducminh7568]

@@brunohommerding3416 Devil needs to fight constantly to keep them busy, otherwise they will get bored and rebel

[@DreamerTrain]

lmao look at the girls what are they all wearing

[@sagittariusa7662]

Fiona Du'Varia: "Raphie!" Raphael: "Stop calling me that!" Fiona Du'Varia: "But I thought we were friends, Raphie." Raphael: "Why are you always insinuating such?" Fiona Du'Varia: "I finally got my memories back and I remember not just being a sorceress, cleric, druid, bard and wizard, but also being a warlock and you are my patron devil, Mr. Raphie." Raphael: "So... you have finally come to your senses." Fiona Du'Varia: "Ah huh, Raphie." Raphael: "Oh by the Hells, you can be so annoying!"

[@bucca2]

It was fun to kill Raphael.

[@niaraa8378]

ta-taaaa