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[@08fishsticks]

no, rarran. You gotta show him the clip of Day9 saying, "Hearthstone is a wonderful game where you play a deck of 29 cards and Dr Boom." I was waiting for that clip to play.

[@nathbalzana]

If someone has that clip, please reply with the link, I'd love to see it

[@athath2010]

@@nathbalzana youtube will block their post if they include a link in it

[@StormLord94]

That was legit had it was back then. You'd open the deck builder, put in a Boom and then think what deck you're gonna build

[@EANTYcrown]

​@@StormLord94it was worse than that, you add boom and big game hunter for the boom that you knew for a fact everyone else had, probably two bgh if you could to ensure you had him on turn 7. It got to a point where 10% of your deck was predetermined just because of Dr balanced.

[@doublejesusful]

@@EANTYcrown Tempo BGH was a meme during this era xD

[@IAm.Messmer.Brother.Of.Malenia]

it was in fact *the grand tournament*

[@WavemasterAshi]

"You could get anything..." "You could even get a Mesa Falcon!" "...Shut up."

[@phillipjones1536]

11:46 bro literally came up with shadowboxer on the spot

[@g59boycross45]

I was thinking barrens xyrella when I heard it but shadowboxer fits so much more

[@pairot01]

When the Mesa Falcon guy tells you mtg has more bad cards, you should believe him.

[@matthewgagnon9426]

MTG has more bad cards than Hearthstone has cards.

[@Flamingcloud083]

@@matthewgagnon9426 MTG has more cards that are unplayable in draft (the lowest power format) than Hearthstone has cards.

[@1Henrink]

I wonder which voice line was heard the most by HS players: "Hey everyone get in here" or "My jaws that bite, my claws that catch".

[@eliasschmidt5969]

I think it‘s „common“

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

​@@eliasschmidt5969 The Innkeeper only says "common" when it's golden, so it's actually probably "rare"

[@eliasschmidt5969]

@@PenguinWithInternetAccess yeah, u r right i forgot

[@bobinard9759]

well, shudderwock has been very good in wild since its release, and grim patron warrior has been unplayable since the warsong nerf, and even after the unnerf, was still pretty weak. So deffinitly shudderwock

[@solkvist8668]

Definitely heard shudder way more, that thing has plagued wild since it’s release

[@laurelkeeper]

ENGAGING TC-130 MENTAL DISLOCATOR

[@LizardDude]

aaaaaaand I just lost my Arena match :

[@NeedForMotivationn]

"You cant hear text, you read it" The text:

[@blushingralseiuwu2222]

​@@NeedForMotivationnthe voice aaaaa

[@iryanmadayana1904]

"They don't have handbuffs in standard?" "Well how would you track it?" With everyone's favourite mechanic, STICKERS! 🤪

[@alexholker1309]

You could rework the Graft mechanic from Ravnica as a pseudo-handbuff: instead of putting +1/+1 counters on creatures in your hand, you put them on as they are summoned.

[@laurelkeeper]

Stickers don’t work in hidden zones, though.

[@slimek20]

​@@laurelkeeperfucked up part is that considering how Un-sets work, if Unfinity was a real Unset, they could've worked that way! Shame about the acorn tho lol

[@calebbarnhouse496]

I mean there kind of is at least in arena, there's a 3 mana card that gives plus one plus one to the next card played, and that goes off when he enters the battlefield and when he dies, granted its still distinct from handbuff because you choose what gets buffed by what order you play things, as well as at least one land in paper that can give plus plus one as a creature enters the battlefield

[@rand0mguy755]

Stickers dont even work as a substitute, as Stickers only remain on a thing while it is in public zones, once it goes into a player's hand or Deck, the stickers get removed

[@mawillix2018]

Extra trivia for MFG: Antique Healbot is a pun on Anti-Kill Bot.

[@Earzentail]

damn, that's actually pretty cool, I never even thought about it after playing the game since 2014

[@GamePlayMetal]

Mind = blown

[@zephyrfyr]

Ben brode himself said that this was just a coincidence and not an intentional pun

[@mawillix2018]

@@zephyrfyr I can't seem to find where Ben Brode said so. But I found out that Loatheb is intentionally an anagram of healbot.

[@zephyrfyr]

Hearthstone wiki page for antique healbot ​scroll down to the references section (can't send link on KZbin) @@mawillix2018

[@xRoGeSx]

Finally two of my favorite middle aged man wail at each other with their card game knowledge

[@JamesCastle-vd1lc]

late 20 year olds are middle aged now?

[@shrekkek9396]

​@@JamesCastle-vd1lcyes. Life ends at 40.

[@xRoGeSx]

@@JamesCastle-vd1lc Just meming here 🙃

[@Dragostorm21]

@@JamesCastle-vd1lc the middle ages were like 600 years ago yet the world is much older. clearly middle means nothing

[@pepper7880]

@@JamesCastle-vd1lc CGB is actually 40 :'D

[@greenglade47]

It's crazy to see how good CGB has gotten at rating Hearthstone cards now, he nailed it in this one

[@AndrewSlee9]

He’s learned so much about the game it brings a smile to my face

[@otsokarhu9695]

I think you mean MFG

[@Davidbruun]

What? He was wrong so many times.

[@colboy1fish]

It was wild to me he got healbot right. It is joked so much that healing is bad in magic that I figured he'd just go "oh 5 mana do nothing"

[@Paveway-chan]

The Antique Hellbot, a warlock epic: 5 mana 4/4, deathrattle: deal 8 damage to the opponent. Also I love how Voxy developed a deeply-seated and irrational hate towards Patches, and meanwhile CGBoi here is just short of officially adopting the Ironbeak Owl as his Hearthstone mascot 😆

[@jadencorr6897]

Because owl really has been fucking MVP back in the days.

[@jadencorr6897]

Owl > Falcons xD

[@leadpaintchips9461]

It's because he's a blue control player in his soul and very few things are as blue control-y in Hearthstone as "Your minion loses everything interesting about it because I say so.".

[@selectivepontification8766]

CGB has a thing for birds apparently

[@lesiegelad]

THEY'RE BACK AT IT AGAIN LET'S GOOOO. I love the dynamic between Rarran and CGB. I could listen to these guys talk cards every day.

[@Sdogofdoom]

Big thing on unstable portal was that sometimes you played it turn 2, got a rate 6 or 7 drop, and just absolutely dunked the next turn. Like imagine turn 2 unstable into turn 3 boulderfist ogre, suddenly the opponent is just getting smashed.

[@JonaxII]

Now THAT'S good stats for the cost.

[@cuthraxyspiano3271]

Also flamewaker was a thing, cheap spells very nice

[@rachasaur5]

the way rarran held his cat like a sweet little baby warms my heart

[@bleepbloop6234]

IMO, Grim Patron was the peak of HS design. Seriously. It was a deck that was legitimately difficult to play well, and you had to actually think carefully about how and when to use your patrons, bait out removal, and duplicate them most effectively. The difference between a mediocre legend player and a pro player would be EXTREMELY OBVIOUS when playing this deck. I haven't played in the last year or two, but this is probably the deck that has the highest skill curve to play effectively that I know of.

[@MrTomahawker]

Totally. And the next big deck was braindead Secret Paladin

[@bleepbloop6234]

@@MrTomahawker Ah yes, who didn't love wearing the secret hat? Play all of the secrets and then hope that your opponent can't navigate their way around them. Gotta love the decks that take no skill to play and force the opponent to play perfectly. At least Flare finally saw some action looool.

[@Cuestrupaster]

I think there was some combo decks that were way harder to play, but yeah this one was amazing, also Dead Man's Hand Warrrior was probably even harder to play, and theorically, no matter how bad you played it, you still win.

[@thebitterfig9903]

I feel like that’s overstating things. It wasn’t too hard to play Patron well enough to rank up on Ladder. While playing perfectly was hard, the deck had enough raw power that imperfect play could win games. They didn’t nerf the deck because it was broken only for a very few super-expert players, but because a lots of normal players did petty well with it.

[@H0C0X]

I know you said you haven't played recently, but last year there was a deck called Naga Mage. The difference between a high legend player and a diamond player piloting it was tier 1 vs tier 5. Rarran has a video where he challenges the world champion to a best of 5 where he can see their hand. Prior to that first video, Rarran was questioning if Naga mage was good because he'd never once seen it on ladder before. Nobody was playing it at Rarrans rank. After that video where he died turn 6, he started calling for nerfs for it. (Justifiably)

[@wetara]

Rarran you've done it again, this is the second time you make a series so good that i can't wait to see the next episodes. To be fair, the idea is pretty simple, but there's something about watching someone learn how old cards/combos worked, and also seeing how hyped CGB is to discover them, that keeps me glued to my screen the whole time. Good job man

[@input-latency2684]

good job mesa falcon guy, you got on the thumbnail very good

[@kampfkeks6619]

At 5:32 you would actually get 3 Patrons. The first one would summon one after the attack and then both would summon a Patron after the deathrattle.

[@osmium6832]

Yeah, and to clarify, that's three *additional* patrons. The board would have a 3/1, 3/2, and two 3/3's. Something Rarran forgot to specify is that the patron that got summoned wasn't a copy of the damaged patron with the same health, it was a fully healthy one. That makes it even more difficult to remove.

[@amaze3727]

Patron meiosis confirmed

[@PlamoTherapy]

Patron was my favorite deck. There's a whole lot of thinking involved because you could have Lethal at any given board situation.

[@ionut.h1525]

Dude..i can't express how much i like this kind of content. Both on Rarran's channel and on CGB's . I don't play HS anymore, but those videos are absolute gems for the comunity

[@Ololz22]

Could you add a "right" and "wrong" counter above the guest's frame? A check and a X. Or a full mana crystal and a locked mana crystal. With the 2nd option, you could have an empty mana crystal for every round there will be, and then fill a crystal or lock a crystal every round depending on true or false.

[@Querterus]

5:50 acually if a griom patrion atacks a ghoul it dont summons 2 but 3 the 3/3 atacks the 1/3 and summons another 3/3 then the deathrattle triggers and the 3/2 and 3/3 take 1 dmg summon 2 more 3/3 so in the end u got a 3/1 a 3/3 and 2x 3/3

[@archeey8543]

Hrll yeah, more CVB collabs are always welcome, love the dynamic you guys have!

[@Omega068]

I admit I actually don't play Hearthstone anymore, but you're content about it is really fun to watch! Edit: 2:00 Oh no I can still hear that thing in my mind.

[@exantiuse497]

I haven't actively played the game since around 2016 (I dipped i to the skmingle player stuff and Tavern brawl in 2017). It is very intesresting watching them talk about this old stuff since to me it is what Hearthstone was right when I was playing

[@TheRealGrimpaw]

I'm so happy that the CGB videos are doing so well. This means more content in the future.

[@bencheevers6693]

Been waiting for these videos with a lot of anticipation, I've rewatched the last couple on both channels a couple of times partly because they autoplay while working but also because I love this teamup

[@MrElliotholman]

I've watched CGB for a long time and have recently discovered Rarran, love these collabs, you two have great chemistry and the vids are fire and so enjoyable. Also love the CGB comes on and admits he's watched the 2014 finals and honestly trys to figure out the meta, no staged BS just quality content and analysis with fun jokes. Love it man

[@sanjayhenry5064]

please don't let this series ever end, you guys are always hilarious and entertaining together!

[@Tumbleflop]

Put a Magma Rager in one of these and try to see how long you can make them believe it was top 2

[@ogremoch]

Your chemistry together is top-notch. I love it when either of you guests on your respective channels.

[@atoucangirl]

1:26 IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT THERE IS KIBTY I REPEAT THERE IS KIMTEN

[@laurelkeeper]

Goals :3

[@CAMERONJTC97]

I can already tell from the thumbnail this is gonna be good

[@broadWayy]

Glad these are back. Love these kinds of videos!

[@Fledermausmann]

I'm glad the editor finally kept some of CGB's reactions to being told which is the correct card! Makes for a much better video!

[@NeighborhoodJackson]

ive been watching so much CGB despite not knowing a lick of anything about MTG, he's a really fun content creator to watch and i love that rarran continues doing videos with him.

[@eroslampitella2629]

the thing about master jouster is : even if he wins the joust he is just a sunwalker with +1/+1

[@crayne2116]

I love all your collaborations with @covertgoblue. More please 🤘 The synergy is just off the charts 😁

[@Thelius42]

Thanks for this vid. Got me nostalgic and now I've been watching the 15 worlds. HS was so fun in those days

[@oreszteszmurgacs7689]

Try showing the cards with the surrounding support. You could show good cards with their actual support cards, and show bad cards with the "dream" or "Timmy" surroundings that people THOUGHT would make them good. Then, figuring out if they worked or were trash could be even more interesting!

[@MrParadux]

The format is great. It is also nice seeing you on his channel for the same. I like the categories of judging the cards where they landed in the tournament instead of just "good" or "bad"

[@Telhias]

10:00 Totally agreed. Hearthstone doesn't have cards like "One with Nothing"... Yet.

[@laurelkeeper]

I mean, one with nothing wasn’t a draft card-iirc it’s rare.

[@H0C0X]

Hearthstone does, and it's called Tome Tampering. Funnily enough, that card was so busted in wild that it got banned.

[@laurelkeeper]

@@H0C0X it’s a little bit disingenuous to compare the cards, as tome tampering has one or two more lines of text…

[@colboy1fish]

I wanted to point out cataclysm, but then realized one night at karazan already was out, so there were some discard synergies. It wasn't great untill that got more support & mechathun, but it wasn't the worst...

[@Ariovisti]

CGB going back and watching the 2014 tournament in his spare time is amazing to me, this continues being my favorite collab.

[@AntheanCeilliers]

I could watch 100 episodes of this. I love your combined energy.

[@whocares1334]

I love these videos so much, please keep them coming

[@godsgranddad]

Antique Hellbot printing when??? 5 mana 3/3 Battlecry: Deal 8 damage to the enemy hero

[@wschess]

hell yeah. I need your podcast

[@nataku5379]

Love watching these. Reminds me how much I loved the old days of HS.

[@Direktorhkbergdahl]

I will never get tired of these

[@diomed4570]

ye, I was waiting for next collab series!

[@ModestMousekateer]

His analysis of Dr boom was spot on. Rarran should have told him about the nickname Dr 7

[@user-jy3tp8mh7w]

Now i absolutely need to see the vods of ctb watching the 2014 tournament!!! Are they available somewhere?

[@radithmollah8382]

loving the content with other youtubers, especially covertgoblue :)

[@markuskoivisto]

I love these videos and they keep getting better

[@lillemy5062]

This was the time i played the game. I was almost going to ask if you could make a 2015 vid with covblue xD You're an amazing host, with an amazing guest!

[@alexandrebertone4351]

take a shot every time Rarran says " this card is very interesting"

[@EGH9701]

Actually a decent drinking game, a lot of these comments would straight kill you, this could get you and your friends wasted.

[@lautzu323]

Commenting early because I love these videos. I legit rewatch them consistently.

[@rexw2]

I can barely wait for the Ungoro and Frozen Throne card ratings, holy crap. Please make that video a lil longer than this one :D

[@insomniacnerd5592]

That thumbnail alone made me wanna see this video.

[@paulvanwilders]

Sly cooper music in the background has earned you my respect good man.

[@LetsPlayerAbo2]

Rarran and CGB never fail to fill me up with their content :)

[@mdqp2]

I love this series so much, can I look forward to a specular video appearing on Mesa Falcon Guy's channel soon?

[@liger04]

29:30 Another really important part of Unstable Portal is that this is one of the first sources of random minion generation in Hearthstone. Because there's very few "vanilla" minions, that means there's a good chance of getting a battlecry or deathrattle. A lot of those cards required playing around. This is where hand prediction went from "they should be out of steam since I played around their best cards" to "it's mage and they casted two portals a while ago, so they could have anything from a uselessly discounted wisp to a 6-mana Jaraxxus. Fingers crossed".

[@Kevmoeman]

Mesa falcon guy knows his birds, great analysis

[@waifucards]

Great video cgb! thank you for being you ❤

[@pleaserespond3984]

5:30 >If you hit your opponent's Unstable Ghoul with a Grim Patron you get two Grim Patrons! Actually, you get four. Because the Grim Patron takes one damage and summons another, then the deathrattle happens and each of those summons another, so you end up with four. The exponential effect is what made the card so much fun. Blizzard could have nerfed it to "each time this takes damage, summon a 3/3 (with no text)", but I'm kind of glad they didn't.

[@Bemxuu]

I don’t need to finish watching this to know I will upvote it :)

[@GamePlayMetal]

10:02 That is 100% true. TGT was still a WAY better exp than Fallen or Homelands for mtg.

[@laurelkeeper]

It also came out over a decade (almost two, right?) later, so they had the benefit of knowledge.

[@GamePlayMetal]

@@laurelkeeper Yeah. Honestly some TGT cards were pretty dope, like there is no Fallen card that is as good as Justicar or Mysterious Challenger

[@yvindlavold5741]

The Grand Tournament really needed some high cost cards that had text like "cost (3) less while in your hand" for jousting to actually work.

[@mickenziecruse9505]

Woo, arrived early to my favorite series!

[@bmccarthy9]

A suggestion for future videos like this: you could also ask if a deck was very popular in the tournament. Especially once 4 deck formats start happening, there's a lot of people converging on similar decks to start their lineups and if a deck is meta a lot of people will include it. In particularly busted metas it ends up being weirder if you don't include a deck than if you do. For the 2015 world championship there are like 3-4 decks that appear in more than 4 people's lineups.

[@Grandy_UiD]

Man, this was the time when Hearthstone was the most fun for me personally. Lots of cool and memorable cards.

[@thewerdna]

If I recall, Saraad was occasionally played in Control Warrior too, since they would be hitting their hero power every turn late game anyways and this gave potential value. But it definitely wasn't in the most common version of the deck

[@ZackeroniAndCheese]

Love content about the old days of hearthstone

[@Kei-ye8if]

With a respectable amount of shade to Rarran, CGB is so good at entertainingly blind evaluating cards Rarran is definitely getting the longer end of the stick with these collabs

[@zacharyadler4071]

Antique Healbot was named to sound like "Anti-kill bot"

[@Turkos245]

"Look at this owl, how is he not a staple" Dudes for sure an azorius player and loves judge's familiar

[@glimmerkepu]

'Loses to Owl' has become the 'Dies to Doomblade' of Hearthstone.

[@IcaroMendonca]

Funnily enough, there WAS a dies to doomblade in Heartstone. It was "Dies to BGH" Big Game Hunter was the gatekeeper of big minionsin the game. Anythin with 7 attack or more would be unviable because it was BGH fodder. A big part of the reason Boom was so good was that it wasn't countered by BGH and had high attack.

[@roguebanshee]

@@IcaroMendonca Pre-launch, Dr. Boom (7 attack) was almost universally considered a bad card because the main body dies to BGH while Troggzor (6 attack) was considered good because he dodges it. The thing that makes Dr. 7 better than Troggzor in real play is that Owl neuters Troggzor completely (and an Ogre is better than a 7 mana 6/6) while BGH leaves behind the two Boom Bots. Everyone played both Owl and BGH (if they had the cards), but BGH being Epic meant that it people with limited dust budgets would only play one.

[@RavenoseCNG]

first one was fire time to watch this one and see if its as good as i know it will be yep this was fire :D cant wait for the next one

[@NinjaxCad]

love me some rarran x mesa falcon guy content

[@NovaCorpLive]

Yay! I miss these videos

[@nalkarauke]

when Nexus Champion Saraad came up, i heard Day[9] screaming OHHH GOOODD NOOOOO in my soul and i had to go back and find that clip

[@Pltnmangel]

CGB you’ve GOTTA show him splinter twin

[@Hambloyger]

best content you guys put out

[@rever6612]

2:28 tell me I'm not the only who GetInHered too

[@bislarke95]

You're not, I definitely did 😂

[@SpinAroundU]

"This card was very interesting" and Rarran, name a more iconic duo.

[@balintmolnar7471]

How to count hand buff: Exile (x cards from) your hand (face down): You may cast those cards then you cast one of those cards if it's a creature card it enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter.

[@Hazaak.]

Hate on GTG all you want. But honestly I Really liked the inspire mechanic. They didn't utilize it very well, but I think the keyword could be Very fun. It should have been balanced more powerfully, because it'd (in most scenarios) only be used once a turn and have to be 2 mana. The priest legendary was a great example of that.

[@livedandletdie]

Murloc Knight was a real threat on Ladder, and so was Kvaldir Raider and Kodo Rider and Mukla's Champion. Kodo Rider was a free 3/5 every turn if not dealt with, and Mukla's Champion was a Zoo and Tempo champion. And the year afterwards Highlander Priest could use Saraad like crazy, with Beardo and Raza.

[@proface5209]

Ghe trand gournament

[@kwamedwards]

I only now realized when he said it that Magic doesn't have hand buffs. It makes sense when you think about it but I just ran with the assumption that of course they exist. Imagining someone having to carry stickers to put on their cards in hands to track buffs is kinda ridiculous.

[@grixx9707]

Yeah stickers in magic would be ridiculous… glad those aren’t a thing phew…

[@GellarFieldEngineer]

Please play the cinematics for covertgoblue just to mess with him more. Love this content.

[@Monfresso]

Rarr and Messa Falcon Guy - best TCG duo on KZbin

[@brendanroper3131]

I remember playing a secret paladin deck back in the day, it did indeed run the show

[@eydie__]

Bummed Rarran didn't explain that Dr. Boom was called Dr. Seven because he was in the seven slot of every deck and was dropped on turn 7 regardless of deck strategy or archetype, or whether you were winning or losing. Turn 7? Play Dr. Boom.

[@m0002856]

I 100% remember how wrong they were about Inspire as a mechanic. They definitely thought the Inspire mechanic was going to break Hearthstone at the time, which is why they gave it a premium. Which is wild considering that Inspire is ALREADY asking you to pay a 2 mana premium. But this is 100% the reason it was so bad. I don’t recall if it was a retrospective dev interview or what, but I do remember them saying that this was why they think Inspire failed- they printed normal cards, then gave them a mana nerf like Saraad being yeti stats but costing 1 more mana all because they thought the “infinite value” of Inspire was too scary to print. So crazy how that ended up not being the case at all.

[@soliturraldevera1944]

he's actually getting so good at understanding hearstone

[@electricVGC]

i am enjoying this pace through the world championships year by year, you and CGB are also really funny together. Any chance we can have Voxy rate cards on how good they were in Arena 👀👀

[@IAmE37]

Day 38 of asking Rarran to play Library of Ruina

[@ironintegral6631]

That would be so hype. Never going to happen though

[@narkle9723]

​@@ironintegral6631 Never say never, we'll just keep pestering him. You vastly underestimate the determination of PM sleeper agents

[@Miniath]

Worth Noting that Grim Patron warrior was also notoriously one of the hardest decks to play optimally

[@caioribeiro5019]

SOO GOOD TO SEE THE DR. SEVEN

[@JustNinj]

Can’t wait to watch him read Knights of the Frozen Throne and Journey To UnGoro

[@NinjaxCad]

re: ironbeak owl, "hoot hoot" was basically the hearthstone equivalent of "dies to doomblade". any card with bonkers text that didn't immediately get you value had to be measured against the possibility of being a vanilla for the low low price of 2 mana