Rasheed Wallace's career-long beef with NBA referees was iconic

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Secret Base

3 жыл бұрын

Rasheed Wallace may have been extremely difficult (and annoying) for NBA referees to officiate, yet it would be insufficient to leave it at that. Wallace overreacted sometimes and complained plenty, but he wasn't merely a whiner.
Fair or not, Sheed detected, and sought to call out, bias among the NBA's refs. He's far from the only person to suggest that refs get emotional, play favorites, or bring ulterior motives to the court. He is, however, one of the players to make that point on the court. He made it consistently and boldly, and in a way that drew extra ire from the very refs he accused of targeting him.
In short, this was a crusade that turned a typically-tense relationship into outright beef. While he played, it was Sheed vs. Basically Every Ref. And even in retirement, Wallace is not done fighting that battle.
Edited by Ryan Simmons
Written and produced by Seth Rosenthal
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@SecretBaseSBN
@SecretBaseSBN 3 жыл бұрын
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@footballchamp3873
@footballchamp3873 3 жыл бұрын
A bomb shelter?
@akauf2282
@akauf2282 3 жыл бұрын
footballchamp 3 Rasheed Wallace’s hideout to study the refs
@mario2montano
@mario2montano 3 жыл бұрын
CAN YOU PLEASE DO A BEEF HISTORY OF MARCUS ALLEN VS AL DAVIS!
@samwert2316
@samwert2316 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait man keep the awesome content coming guys!!!
@thechef.
@thechef. 3 жыл бұрын
super excited
@johncampbell2845
@johncampbell2845 3 жыл бұрын
Rasheed shouting "ball don't lie" is so iconic, just feels wrong when anyone else does it
@noah_that_bills_fan1613
@noah_that_bills_fan1613 3 жыл бұрын
Yea
@noah_that_bills_fan1613
@noah_that_bills_fan1613 3 жыл бұрын
Also 69 likes
@SlicingDicingGamingENT
@SlicingDicingGamingENT 3 жыл бұрын
Me and my uncle say ball don't lie when we're watching games and someone misses a free throw lol
@dusk6159
@dusk6159 3 жыл бұрын
Aside when AI does it, literally the actual original player for that phrase being brought in the Nba.
@UpsidePotential
@UpsidePotential 3 жыл бұрын
he got a tech for saying "ball dont lie" too
@ChiseledAdonis
@ChiseledAdonis 3 жыл бұрын
Legend has it at Sheed's funeral NBA refs will be in attendance to tech him up one last time
@masondarden2423
@masondarden2423 3 жыл бұрын
You watch this too dang
@joshlewis575
@joshlewis575 3 жыл бұрын
This is comedic gold. Kudos to u sir 👏
@RGTitan901
@RGTitan901 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
@TheOriginalFrankMatthews
@TheOriginalFrankMatthews 3 жыл бұрын
That was so funny I forgot to laugh
@VAllure_Moderator
@VAllure_Moderator 3 жыл бұрын
This man got the Shadow Clone Jutsu showing up in these random videos for real
@o7_AP
@o7_AP 3 жыл бұрын
The most memorable quotes surrounding his career “Whack - get out! “It’s ugly ass Bill Walton!” “Ball don’t lie!”
@denistuohy2535
@denistuohy2535 3 жыл бұрын
What about “both teams played haaaarrrrrrrrd”
@BoganFromBama
@BoganFromBama 3 жыл бұрын
@@denistuohy2535 "...God Bless and goodnight."
@NateMcCoy1194
@NateMcCoy1194 3 жыл бұрын
Ugly ass Bill Walton
@TheSands83
@TheSands83 3 жыл бұрын
He said black get out not whack... they got that wrong.. if u have ever played basketball u know they say the color of your jersey then your number on a foul call.. n if U r ejected they will say like red !! You are out! Then look at your number n say it or show it with fingers to the score keeper
@sayoriachiri5833
@sayoriachiri5833 3 жыл бұрын
"It's ugly ass Bill Walton" I found that funny because Bill Walton was actually kinda handsome
@taylordunekacke4418
@taylordunekacke4418 3 жыл бұрын
Me in 2000: Wallace is a crybaby! Me in 2020: Wallace was right the whole time!
@dbag3345
@dbag3345 3 жыл бұрын
You're whack for thinking that in 2000
@dannycomellas
@dannycomellas 3 жыл бұрын
@@dbag3345 I thought the same thing. I didn't watch Sheed's games and barely had internet at the time, so it was easier for that narrative to be shaped. Now I still don't believe that Donaghy was/is the only ref on the take.
@trainwreckthomas9274
@trainwreckthomas9274 3 жыл бұрын
Ball don’t lie
@brianbutler7881
@brianbutler7881 3 жыл бұрын
So what does that say about boogie cousins
@mattrag4988
@mattrag4988 2 жыл бұрын
Always liked him
@arj5241
@arj5241 3 жыл бұрын
The defining Rasheed moment is getting ejected for staring at an official
@pitakafoa1214
@pitakafoa1214 3 жыл бұрын
"Whack! Get out!" 😂😂😂 his reaction was priceless
@uncreative5766
@uncreative5766 3 жыл бұрын
I would love if the NBA would mike refs and players up again.
@Manny-nm8dh
@Manny-nm8dh 3 жыл бұрын
It was in the Western Conference finals nonetheless.
@nicholasbova9909
@nicholasbova9909 3 жыл бұрын
@@pitakafoa1214 Steve Smith's reaction was even funnier
@StanStacks
@StanStacks 3 жыл бұрын
BEAST MODE Joey Crawford is a terrible human being that should’ve never been allowed his reign of terror
@sawftmoreslump9820
@sawftmoreslump9820 3 жыл бұрын
Rasheed had a point.. refs are human they have the ability to pick and choose who they pick on
@biglordebunnyrabbit627
@biglordebunnyrabbit627 3 жыл бұрын
Ball don’t lie!
@uniboy13
@uniboy13 3 жыл бұрын
Wait wait wait, refs are people?
@skillswiper
@skillswiper 3 жыл бұрын
Antagonizing the refs all season hurts too
@Expletorygoose5
@Expletorygoose5 3 жыл бұрын
SkillSwiper he may have been antagonizing them but the refs are suppose to be unbiased.
@akaspon1
@akaspon1 3 жыл бұрын
@@Expletorygoose5 If you don't want bias, then hire robots...otherwise, what do you expect from human beings.
@agum9193
@agum9193 3 жыл бұрын
Refs said he was the hardest player to referee because, “he knew the rulebook better than anyone.” Sheed’s career is in need of real revisionist history. He was an absolute legend and an extremely smart player.
@maxx1mus1041
@maxx1mus1041 3 жыл бұрын
he was no legend
@agum9193
@agum9193 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxx1mus1041 watch the tape. ball dont lie.
@russelljohnson437
@russelljohnson437 3 ай бұрын
@@maxx1mus1041your on the couch beee quiet pimp
@pattininja95
@pattininja95 3 жыл бұрын
"Rasheed implies that the league deliberately swings outcomes so the series runs a full seven games." Looking back I can't say he was wrong
@kenrickeason
@kenrickeason 3 жыл бұрын
The Players kept trying to tell us something was off..
@jankycuz11um88
@jankycuz11um88 2 жыл бұрын
Even into this day the need it to go 7 for more money
@DiagonalByte
@DiagonalByte 2 жыл бұрын
Every major sports league does this. Can't change my mind.
@accountant3847
@accountant3847 2 жыл бұрын
@JustDev lmao
@barrybshrekson864
@barrybshrekson864 Жыл бұрын
Explains 2002
@wilbert3842
@wilbert3842 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing says “there’s not a scandal” like trying to cover it up and blocking the books release
@wojak-sensei6424
@wojak-sensei6424 3 жыл бұрын
At that point they're making Sheed up to be like Alex Jones. If I'm getting that level of bias, I'd punch a zebra so hard he'll forget who's team he's betting for. Props for him for staying "classy."
@djbrodymusic
@djbrodymusic 3 жыл бұрын
@@wojak-sensei6424 "I'd punch a zebra so hard he'll forget who's team he's betting for" what in the hell?
@wojak-sensei6424
@wojak-sensei6424 3 жыл бұрын
@@djbrodymusic As in the refs. Forget I said anything.
@skelly8185
@skelly8185 3 жыл бұрын
that.. and you don't want to give a cheater another opportunity to get rich..
@therealmelvin6352
@therealmelvin6352 3 жыл бұрын
Can't be defamation if it's the truth
@uncreative5766
@uncreative5766 3 жыл бұрын
Sheed has a point. Refs are ridiculous and almost trigger happy to call techs. Tim Duncan getting ejected by Joey Crawford for laughing at a joke a teammate said comes to mind instantly.
@mrmacross
@mrmacross 3 жыл бұрын
Don't think he was laughing at a teammate's joke. I think he was laughing at the repeated bad calls Joey Crawford was making, and after Crawford challenged Tim Duncan to a fight.
@gmwdim
@gmwdim 3 жыл бұрын
Or Reggie Evans for high-fiving his teammate Blake Griffin.
@veerchasm1
@veerchasm1 3 жыл бұрын
Timmy rules!
@Vudoo13
@Vudoo13 3 жыл бұрын
And now, we are in the era of flopping.
@MariaAlvarez-ew4rv
@MariaAlvarez-ew4rv 3 жыл бұрын
Or how about the time Joey Crawford ran over a Miami Heat player who was ready to take a 3-point shot in the closing seconds of a 1 point game Game 7 of the 2005 Eastern Conference Finals between the Miami Heat and Detroit Pistons and called the foul against Chauncey Billips (please tell me if I’m wrong cause I remember watching a clip of it but I don’t remember when it happened, if the player Crawford ran over was on the Heat, if the in the closing seconds of a 1 point game, if the player was ready to take a shot, and if the shot was a 3 pointer)
@ValensBellator
@ValensBellator 2 жыл бұрын
“Ball don’t lie” is easily one of the greatest lines from basketball 😂
@msteresa653
@msteresa653 3 жыл бұрын
"all of them cats are felonious, man"
@biglordebunnyrabbit627
@biglordebunnyrabbit627 3 жыл бұрын
If I don’t hear : “Enter Tim Donaghy”, one time in this vid.Someone is getting a Tech
@torachan23
@torachan23 3 жыл бұрын
You don’t have the power to give techs
@KiddsWorldEntertainment
@KiddsWorldEntertainment 3 жыл бұрын
Tora Chan Respect his gangsta
@the010og
@the010og 3 жыл бұрын
Nah Flagrant 2 with a double Tech. He needs to be in this vid
@sjbboy1790
@sjbboy1790 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@FreeFoodforthePoor
@FreeFoodforthePoor 3 жыл бұрын
The only beef the NBA refs had with Sheed dealt with when he ruined the point spread on the games they were betting on.
@Simeautomatic100
@Simeautomatic100 3 жыл бұрын
*on the real, that makes me furious!!!*
@RGTitan901
@RGTitan901 3 жыл бұрын
Facts
@dbag3345
@dbag3345 3 жыл бұрын
Ding ding ding
@kevkerbster
@kevkerbster 3 жыл бұрын
Dam right
@sjbboy1790
@sjbboy1790 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@KTF0
@KTF0 3 жыл бұрын
Many refs were intimidated Sheed because he had a reputation of knowing practically every rule in the rulebook. I can easily imagine a ref getting a hurt ego, especially if theres a player that knows more than you.
@jasondyrkacz8270
@jasondyrkacz8270 3 жыл бұрын
The MLB equivalent would probably be AJ Pierzynski.
@matthewthompson9632
@matthewthompson9632 8 ай бұрын
That’s just insane that shows real passion right there not to just be a good player but to know all the rules of the game and make sure your team never gets cheated on bad calls
@_Maxten
@_Maxten 3 жыл бұрын
sheed: yall just love to single me out bc of favoritism refs: u buggin refs while facing charges: ok u right
@TenThumbsProductions
@TenThumbsProductions 3 жыл бұрын
You can't throw out the best player on a team deep in the playoffs because he is looking at you. Refs who make themselves bigger than the game don’t deserve a job.
@palaceofwisdom9448
@palaceofwisdom9448 3 жыл бұрын
It's just more Lakers favoritism, same as what happened to the Kings in '02. The league even changed the damn playoff format mid-season to the first round being best of 7 when it looked like they were in trouble (even Charles Barkley called it "The Laker Rule").
@AirKangLocker
@AirKangLocker 3 жыл бұрын
Tim Duncan silently likes this comment
@jerryboy0422
@jerryboy0422 3 жыл бұрын
Lol I was like “wait I know that user name..” Im a subscriber of your channel and enjoy the content! Funny to see we have other common interests haha
@TenThumbsProductions
@TenThumbsProductions 3 жыл бұрын
DreamArena thanks for the sub! I love beef history and I grew up in Michigan. Detroit vs Everybody.
@heeroheero8844
@heeroheero8844 3 жыл бұрын
Sheed should have kept it together, his lack of discipline and his outburst hurt his team lmao
@lillaxeddysgamingchannel8737
@lillaxeddysgamingchannel8737 3 жыл бұрын
41 Technical fouls in the 2000-2001 NBA season, 317 Technical fouls in his NBA career
@GregoryFord98
@GregoryFord98 3 жыл бұрын
Most unbreakable record
@beramtaib4713
@beramtaib4713 3 жыл бұрын
Legend
@macdreezy5410
@macdreezy5410 3 жыл бұрын
Those are Barry Bonds numbers, I believe to be unbreakable
@meharinationsportspodcast2582
@meharinationsportspodcast2582 3 жыл бұрын
You won't believe this, but Wallace is not the career leader of technical fouls. That belongs to Karl Malone with 332 technical fouls. Malone was a player who got his calls, but always complained frequently on referees.
@macdreezy5410
@macdreezy5410 3 жыл бұрын
@@meharinationsportspodcast2582 Say wha???
@ericmarks7648
@ericmarks7648 Жыл бұрын
Sheed was a true beauty. Lost in all his wizardry at the T was how insanely skilled he was.
@bbryant9455
@bbryant9455 Жыл бұрын
Seriously though. A bit ahead of his time imo. 💯
@PatrickMHoey
@PatrickMHoey 3 жыл бұрын
Wallace was the most “Detroit” player in the league-and he brought the Pistons’ Bad Boy image back. Dude was a monster! 💪🏻
@Dollaz2Donuts
@Dollaz2Donuts 3 жыл бұрын
Him and Ben Wallace were the Laimbeer/Mahorn of their day. Miss those teams.....
@ask5118
@ask5118 3 жыл бұрын
This guy was right to call out everything officials did to him. Screw the NBA
@cdf360
@cdf360 3 жыл бұрын
cpk1994 oh please, the NBA were rigging games left and right throughout the 2000s. You’re a clown if you don’t believe they were. It’s so transparent. Sheed was right, and stern was wrong, and that’s all there is to it.
@nickc247
@nickc247 3 жыл бұрын
@cpk1994 Yup, a straight whiner.
@cdf360
@cdf360 3 жыл бұрын
cpk1994 He fought the referees out of principle. You really think Tim Donaghy was an isolated incident of referee corruption? Get real
@mattla6454
@mattla6454 3 жыл бұрын
@cpk1994 Wow i luv it how u reproduce the ideology u get told, so you never start thinkink critical...just keep growin up to live the damn boring live the old boys expect you to.... ...maybe thats why Jesus wanted us to become like childs againn??(:
@NotaPizzaGRL
@NotaPizzaGRL 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattla6454 cpk1994 eats from the trashcan of ideology
@GerritCoulter
@GerritCoulter 3 жыл бұрын
Basketball is the easiest game in the world for referees to fix. You can add 10, 15, or even 20 points on to one team's score just by calling more fouls.
@The_Jazziest_Coffee
@The_Jazziest_Coffee 11 ай бұрын
genuinely true though
@ShevStaxBeats
@ShevStaxBeats 3 жыл бұрын
He was right about a lot of what he said. The league is about making money so ratings come first
@Jake-zu2hl
@Jake-zu2hl 2 жыл бұрын
If the league was ever proven rigged they would lose billions of dollars. It’s stupid of them to risk that. It’s stupid to think they would risk that.
@stkrd1467
@stkrd1467 3 жыл бұрын
Sheed's not wrong, look at Wade's free throw attempts compared to the entire Mavs team in 06 Finals
@wzac1234
@wzac1234 3 жыл бұрын
You guys gotta do a beef history between the browns and winning
@Crlongboarder
@Crlongboarder 3 жыл бұрын
Ooooof
@anthonysimancas2652
@anthonysimancas2652 3 жыл бұрын
They kind of did..but it was the browns and LOSING that was the focal point of the video highlighted by the 0-16 parade 🤣
@macdreezy5410
@macdreezy5410 3 жыл бұрын
Too soon
@denniskasiyan4938
@denniskasiyan4938 3 жыл бұрын
Pain
@MrAndrewaziz
@MrAndrewaziz 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh what the Browns do to you? 😂
@MrPlow-jc4cr
@MrPlow-jc4cr 3 жыл бұрын
The David Stern officiating era was...interesting, to say the least
@AirKangLocker
@AirKangLocker 3 жыл бұрын
The hacksawed rigged era
@J.A.Z-TheMortal
@J.A.Z-TheMortal 3 жыл бұрын
Super rigged era. LAL should have won only 2 out of the 5 titles they won on that era.
@aztronomy7457
@aztronomy7457 3 жыл бұрын
Just watched the mavs/blazers game and I can confirm the officiating is still "interesting "
@kennyhill9238
@kennyhill9238 3 жыл бұрын
Miami in 2006 and in 2012 also Game 7 2010
@kevkerbster
@kevkerbster 3 жыл бұрын
Rigged
@macdreezy5410
@macdreezy5410 3 жыл бұрын
Fact: Dusty Rhodes was a booker for the NBA
@vidishkarkera2630
@vidishkarkera2630 3 жыл бұрын
The Dream is alwath gonna book a dusthy finish dadthy.
@alittletooloose3087
@alittletooloose3087 3 жыл бұрын
We still love sheed in portland, what a legend, he's absolutely right about the NBA, anyone who watches a small market team can see it.
@Bigedub101
@Bigedub101 Жыл бұрын
Exactly...As a Hornets and Bulls fan....We all see it...
@Cooe.
@Cooe. 6 ай бұрын
​@@Bigedub101... 🤦 Except Chicago's not a small market lol.
@blovelady1
@blovelady1 3 жыл бұрын
Have an acquaintance who is an NBA ref.. he told me the problem with Sheed was, when you go back to the tape he was almost always right. Crazy high basketball IQ
@jaredpatterson1701
@jaredpatterson1701 3 жыл бұрын
Especially on those Pistons teams
@Funktaro5
@Funktaro5 2 жыл бұрын
He was also a bit ahead of his time as a stretch 4, providing spacing that the Pistons desperately needed when Ben Wallace was on the court. People back then complained about him spending so much time on the 3-point line when he could take it inside and score there, but his ability to stretch the floor was vital to the Pistons offense. Nowadays it's considered almost vital that a 4 can shoot from range (doubly so if your center can't). Back then, not so much.
@Bigedub101
@Bigedub101 Жыл бұрын
I believe it but u can't go back on your word cause they then feel inferior
@footballchamp3873
@footballchamp3873 3 жыл бұрын
Answer this: Who doesn't have beef with certain referees
@im_waffles2920
@im_waffles2920 3 жыл бұрын
Kawhi?
@mcray0309
@mcray0309 3 жыл бұрын
You
@Sizdothyx
@Sizdothyx 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not biased. I hate all NBA referees. Can't name one game where they didn't have two big-time screw-ups/no-calls in the last 8 years of basketball.
@Trey-Jae
@Trey-Jae 3 жыл бұрын
Mike Conley
@ikefromsmashbros9237
@ikefromsmashbros9237 3 жыл бұрын
[Insert player who gets infinite free passes here]
@venod3134
@venod3134 3 жыл бұрын
Sheed is right and always has been. Big business is corrupt, it's just a thing even in sports.
@MrRockmusicjunkie
@MrRockmusicjunkie 3 жыл бұрын
I remember as a kid watching Pistons games and every time the whistle blew you just knew he was about to argue
@dontmindme5879
@dontmindme5879 3 жыл бұрын
Damn so now we ABSOLUTELY need Tim Duncan vs Joey Crawford
@palaceofwisdom9448
@palaceofwisdom9448 3 жыл бұрын
That remains the most ridiculous public act by an official in the history of sports. I saw that when it happened and nearly fell out of my chair. Of all people, a ref challenged the most mild mannered player in the league to a fight.
@nathaniellevesque2782
@nathaniellevesque2782 3 жыл бұрын
YOU DARE LAUGH?!?!?!?!? In all seriousness, imagine if I were to tell you the one person ejected for laughing on the bench and later challenged to a fight by a referee for it was Tim Duncan. Literally the last person on earth to be considered a ref-baiter.
@chulyeom2366
@chulyeom2366 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing says “there’s not a scandal” like trying to cover it up and blocking the books release
@jasondyrkacz8270
@jasondyrkacz8270 3 жыл бұрын
@@palaceofwisdom9448 Tony Parker's reaction was my reaction.
@cantstopbeeboo2055
@cantstopbeeboo2055 3 жыл бұрын
I don't wanna argue NOBODY........but Tim Duncan deserves whatever bad he gets. Everybody on the planet that watches the NBA and studies the officials "KNOWS", 2005 was Rasheed's 2nd ring in a row with the Pistons. Buttttttt if you were old enough to see the games "Live and kept up with the media" = They screwed Rasheed over, really bad...and the *darling of the NBA at the time was Timothy* - That's why he got a free ring and *he knew* he didn't deserve it, at all. *If you have 0 clue, upon what I'm talking about....don't say nothing....if you know what I'm talking about....then please feel free to add on* (awaiting the insults and arguments for stating FACTS)
@shukthapa8607
@shukthapa8607 3 жыл бұрын
“BALL DONT LIE”
@guru_basketball_kiero
@guru_basketball_kiero 3 жыл бұрын
💯
@slowpeelz
@slowpeelz 3 жыл бұрын
Hahah I used to love that
@rahe2141
@rahe2141 3 жыл бұрын
Im afraid that's gonna be a tech buddy
@SnailSlugSlut
@SnailSlugSlut 3 жыл бұрын
4:54 did he say “whack”? lol
@ZackZ-mg9uq
@ZackZ-mg9uq Жыл бұрын
He was the missing piece that brought the Pistons the Ring in 04 and I'll never forget it. 1 of the best starting 5 lineups in History
@Adri_Unsung
@Adri_Unsung 7 ай бұрын
Best Five Alive ❤️❤️❤️
@adamkelly4252
@adamkelly4252 3 жыл бұрын
Rasheed was a true talent. He was tall, athletic, and a versatile shooter. He could play in the post and drop it from the perimeter. He was a pure passer and a team oriented player. The guy was always looking to help his teammates play at a higher level, and I loved watching him play. I'm a Lakers fan, but it really pissed me off when Wallace was tossed in game 1 of the 2000 playoffs....
@_Yosho_
@_Yosho_ 3 жыл бұрын
Rasheed: *passes to a teammate* Refs: Foul, you threw it at him.
@gansmith
@gansmith 3 жыл бұрын
Wallace was a 80's tough defender playing in a much softer defensive league. I miss him.
@1TotalJabroni
@1TotalJabroni 3 жыл бұрын
"Ball don't lie!" -Sheed
@nathanonwuka7928
@nathanonwuka7928 3 жыл бұрын
Current relationship between refs and players: Ref: Go to the office Player: what did I do!
@SuperSaiyanGuyver
@SuperSaiyanGuyver 3 жыл бұрын
Ever see "Forget Paris" where Billy Crystal loses his mind and ejects everybody? That's Sheed's entire career.
@keithharper1470
@keithharper1470 3 жыл бұрын
KAJ: "You can't eject me this is my farewell game" BC: "Let me be the first to say farewell"
@SuperSaiyanGuyver
@SuperSaiyanGuyver 3 жыл бұрын
@Arizona Fire Ent And Kareem's parents!
@loganmoreau7569
@loganmoreau7569 3 жыл бұрын
Let’s be honest, he’s not alone, everyone has beef with the refs
@AEMoreira81
@AEMoreira81 3 жыл бұрын
True, but how many have 317 career techs? His 41 in one season (2000-2001) may never be broken, because these days, one gets suspended after the 16th tech in a season.
@jeanmacalino8143
@jeanmacalino8143 3 жыл бұрын
@@AEMoreira81 yeah. so stay in yo lane, logan. keep watching that football thing sport.
@loganmoreau7569
@loganmoreau7569 3 жыл бұрын
daigul trust me, players vs refs in football ain’t much better, it’s arguably worse
@keithharper1470
@keithharper1470 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone on Donaghy's list has had problems with refs for their entire carrer that's why I will never believe he's the only one to fix games just the only one to get caught
@RafsanS15
@RafsanS15 3 жыл бұрын
@@AEMoreira81 Chuck and Karl Malone 329 and 332 techs
@cantstopbeeboo2055
@cantstopbeeboo2055 3 жыл бұрын
You also didn't mention that in 2005, Rasheed was so hated by the Refs = He had to enter the game in the 2nd Half in Post Season Games. Meaning, the coach at the time thought it would've been in Rasheed's best interest to NOT play the 1st Half or he may have fouled out/or tossed.
@derekgoodejr8788
@derekgoodejr8788 Жыл бұрын
That’s crazy.
@ABock4
@ABock4 3 жыл бұрын
I knew that Rasheed made saying “ball don’t lie!” famous, but I didn’t realize he was the first one to do it. You learn something new everyday. Gotta love Sheed!
@torachan23
@torachan23 3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s insane that you get fined for criticizing the work of an integral figure of the game. Imagine getting fined for criticizing a chef for overcooking your food.
@simpleanswer8954
@simpleanswer8954 3 жыл бұрын
That aint even close to the same. The fans can criticize the refs as much as they want. They're the ones paying for tickets and merch. They're the ones that are the 'customer'. Wallace is an employee. A waiter that criticizes the chef would get in trouble. The customer doesn't. You just need to realize the players aren't the customers - they're employees.
@don_5283
@don_5283 3 жыл бұрын
@@simpleanswer8954 Perhaps... But to me this looks a lot more like middle management screwed something up, and an employee tells the customer that it was middle management's screw-up, and then middle management spends the rest of that employee's career jacking with his schedule, playing chickenshit games with him, writing him up for tiny technicalities, taking any excuse to lean on him... With upper management's tacit approval. Both the league's and the referees' reluctance to directly confront the empirical evidence of undeniable biases which jeopardize the integrity of the game is a terrible look. I really don't care about Rasheed Wallace, and certainly there are ways he undermined his own standing that were just unnecessary, but that doesn't in any way soften the fact that the league and the officials have consistently been out of line, and seem reluctant to do anything meaningful to address those problems.
@simpleanswer8954
@simpleanswer8954 3 жыл бұрын
@@don_5283 That sounds about right to me. I was just saying you have to adapt it to see this as an employee being punished for complaining about another employee to the customers.
@NeverMakingVideos
@NeverMakingVideos Жыл бұрын
This is why I like rugby's approach. Refs are held to a high standard, can have any judgement checked instantly on cameras, wear a mic and bodycam (so the crowd hears them talk with players) and are expected to explain any "controversial" reasoning on the spot if a captain asks. On the other hand, a ref's judgements are final. Players can and do get heavily penalised for disrespecting both officials and players, or a warning if it's not too serious. Just as players get penalised for bad conduct, so do referees - with severe fines if they are thought to be influencing outcomes. As a result, I can't think of any other sport with a similar level of respect that is shown to officials, let alone opposing teams. Nigel Owens was nominated for UK sports personality of the year several times as a referee, might have even won it. One of the most dangerous contact sports you can play, and you can be sent off the pitch for bad behaviour. Such a beautiful contrast
@bab4380
@bab4380 3 жыл бұрын
Man we need more guys like Sheed right now in the league.
@tylito4764
@tylito4764 3 жыл бұрын
Draymond.. but everyone wants to hate em, careful what you ask for
@specialwhenlit8435
@specialwhenlit8435 3 жыл бұрын
@Ty Lito Except Dray is exactly the kind of player Sheed was constantly pointing out: Hyper aggressive dude on a marquee team getting away with murder
@thejmc4074
@thejmc4074 3 жыл бұрын
We need a lot of players from the day in the shitty league now.
@gregb7337
@gregb7337 3 жыл бұрын
SpecialWhenLit but draymond isn’t on sheeds level of talent that’s the difference
@itsallenwow
@itsallenwow 3 жыл бұрын
Getting away with murder? Calm down if you think draymond is anywhere near the level of Wallace I don’t think you’ve been watching closely either team
@clydeellis6569
@clydeellis6569 3 жыл бұрын
another amazing video! Thanks for making 2020 somewhat enjoyable
@benestrada5589
@benestrada5589 3 жыл бұрын
The NBA is rigged, Sheed was right, they put the teams in the finals that will pull the most ratings. Never forget the 2002 Western Conference Finals.
@BBTHEBEAST
@BBTHEBEAST 3 жыл бұрын
Cause the NBA wanted to see orlando/la instead of Cleveland/LA. Y’all sound dumb
@joshuaharris5032
@joshuaharris5032 3 жыл бұрын
Scoe3x that series is an exception and after the tim donaghy era. NBA officiating in the early 90s and 00s was rigged asf there’s no denying that.
@J.A.Z-TheMortal
@J.A.Z-TheMortal 3 жыл бұрын
@@BBTHEBEAST Those are exceptions. Those are series so lopsided that refs and the league could not affect the outcome. Series like 2003 LAL vs Spurs. 2004 LAL vs Detroit, 2009 Orlando vs Cleveland, 2011 LAL vs Mavs. All series in which Stern's favorite team lost, by landslides. Now compare that to all the close series that happen to have the bigger market team winning games by 1 or 2 points or possessions. In fact, this very video reminded me that Portland also had a huge disparity in free throws on game 7 of the western conference finals. Not a coincidence that most close games where won by the team that is most popular and generates more revenue. When the underdog won, they had to win by a landslide, to not give Stern, Donagy and the rest of th refs a chance.
@lucashadiningtyas9699
@lucashadiningtyas9699 3 жыл бұрын
dont forget 2006 Heat v Mavs
@benestrada5589
@benestrada5589 3 жыл бұрын
@@lucashadiningtyas9699 you right
@torachan23
@torachan23 3 жыл бұрын
There should be an end season award for most technical fouls named after Rasheed Wallace
@5at5una
@5at5una 3 жыл бұрын
like shaqtin a fool? well thats not an award to be proud of
@the010og
@the010og 3 жыл бұрын
I thought about this video like 4 days ago. Thank you so much for making it guys. I don't like getting mushy, but frfr it means a lot lol
@tubingforever
@tubingforever 3 жыл бұрын
I've never watched basketball but you're videos have me hooked!
@contato424
@contato424 3 жыл бұрын
Rasheed Wallace: breathes Referee: Technical foul! Unsportsmanlike conduct!
@Threezus17
@Threezus17 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@bolbolsburner6505
@bolbolsburner6505 3 жыл бұрын
These videos make my day they make me so hyped when they come out. Thank you
@peterboylan8560
@peterboylan8560 3 жыл бұрын
That's amazing, this video was great and then I found out this guy coined one of my favourite phrases ever. Brilliant stuff
@CzarsSalad
@CzarsSalad 3 жыл бұрын
The Lakers 3-peat in the early 2000's was helped primarily by the refs
@samisami9114
@samisami9114 3 жыл бұрын
which makes kobe and shaq look even worse
@samisami9114
@samisami9114 3 жыл бұрын
Negronigggablackman it’s does because then they both would have 2 less rings
@TheSands83
@TheSands83 3 жыл бұрын
Yep it was blatant.. like 2010 and the heat run with lebron no wade in 2012 n 2013 and heat in 2006
@atlien1988
@atlien1988 3 жыл бұрын
You can't say primarily because that would mean that the main reason for their success were due to referee interference. The refs definitely had their hands on the 2002 WCF.
@andrewmartinez9992
@andrewmartinez9992 3 жыл бұрын
Refs always favor the lakers even today
@TheVampyroteuthis
@TheVampyroteuthis 3 жыл бұрын
You could sense the tension between sheed and the refs just from watching on tv
@trent_k
@trent_k 3 жыл бұрын
karedeko I can’t believe how mentally vulnerable some NBA refs are. “I told him 3 times to stop staring at me” I’d much rather have a player staring at me than talking trash or getting all up in my face, that ref needs to get over himself
@kenb.1096
@kenb.1096 3 жыл бұрын
Trent Koberna it’s about establishing some groundrules. If I were a ref I wouldn’t let a player try to intimidate me
@trent_k
@trent_k 3 жыл бұрын
@@kenb.1096 So you are so weak that someone staring at you will intimidate you into changing how you ref a game? If a player stared at me I would ignore it and keep doing my job because they are not threatening me in any way.
@Augfordpdoggie
@Augfordpdoggie 3 жыл бұрын
this is just like society. people want you to be blindly obedient, if you're not, if you stand up for what you believe in, they call you a trouble maker
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 3 жыл бұрын
"Whack! Get out!" is right up there with "Number 99 of the defense, he's giving him the business down there" for supremely technical (as it were) referee explanations.
@crimsoncola
@crimsoncola 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I had no idea! Great video my dude. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
@BattlePants321
@BattlePants321 3 жыл бұрын
Great video on the origin of the famous basketball phrase "The basketball will not go in the hoop if it knows the ref misused their whistle"
@akauf2282
@akauf2282 3 жыл бұрын
Rasheed has a Secret Base to beef against them
@mrmacross
@mrmacross 3 жыл бұрын
When it comes to NBA player and ref interactions, there are two big factors: 1) Players are so empowered/entitled they complain about everything. Bad calls are frustrating, but concentrate on playing the game and let it go. Complaining isn't going to change the call. 2) Refs can be so insecure and drunk with power. If you treat the players like children, don't be surprised if they respond to you like children. The NBA is right to back the refs, but because the NBA is going to back the refs, some of them think they can instigate or escalate tension with players.
@satua13
@satua13 3 жыл бұрын
this, so much of this, both parties need to take their responsibility to the game more seriously. Best compliment a ref can receive is "Wait you reffed that game, I didn't even notice you" and a player's should be "Gee you were good", not "Gee you gave the ref what he deserved didn't you? Shame you only got to play 10 minutes and we lost"
@HAL-lz7jj
@HAL-lz7jj Жыл бұрын
When it comes to NBA player/ref interaction the player has absolutely no power. And with few well placed / not called foul (or even travel or any call} in right moment you turn the tide of entire game and potentially series. It was and will forver be fixed.
@marat2665
@marat2665 2 жыл бұрын
Great analysis guys, thanks. Wonderful example of a real life struggle. Sheed always did what he believed was right)
@paligula.
@paligula. 3 жыл бұрын
hes the perfect power forward for todays nba
@palaceofwisdom9448
@palaceofwisdom9448 3 жыл бұрын
He used to get criticized for taking 3's rather than posting up more, maybe he was just ahead of his time.
@trainwreckthomas9274
@trainwreckthomas9274 3 жыл бұрын
@@palaceofwisdom9448 agreed💯
@jasoncarpenter4129
@jasoncarpenter4129 3 жыл бұрын
4:54 same thing happened to me. Away game went for a layup just to get body checked to the floor. I was walking back to play defense because a dead ball happened staring in disbelief when this old ass ref tossed me for "intimidating him" the ref was 6 foot 5 and I was 5 foot 9 at best.
@contato424
@contato424 3 жыл бұрын
@Jason Carpenter that’s nuts! I’ve had similar things happen too, the refs when I was in like middle school were all old dudes who had nothing else to do.
@troke3207
@troke3207 3 жыл бұрын
oof
@tmstudios2713
@tmstudios2713 3 жыл бұрын
Got called for a foul by barely grazing this dude’s leg with my pinky 🤦🏽‍♂️
@contato424
@contato424 3 жыл бұрын
@TM Studios wow lol.
@alex31794
@alex31794 3 жыл бұрын
got punched while playing defense and had the foul called on me
@kololoko1541
@kololoko1541 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for your work. Sheed is one of my favorite players. For people abroad like me (im french), your videos are very helpfull. We dont have easily acces to all that knowledge about NBA. Go pistons
@akachiazubuike1109
@akachiazubuike1109 5 ай бұрын
The tone, the music.... well done guys. Works of art.
@Encyclopedia_Brown97
@Encyclopedia_Brown97 3 жыл бұрын
Love seeing a basketball video in my feed, bc I know it means I’ll either be hearing Seth or Clara
@datguitarplayer1656
@datguitarplayer1656 3 жыл бұрын
I believe Rasheed and I think that it's pretty obvious the further from his career we get the more and more his statements are proven right- the more he is vindicated.
@lucasmelee
@lucasmelee 3 жыл бұрын
cant believe you guys actually did it! bless
@mahmoodal-imam2892
@mahmoodal-imam2892 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the interesting subject. It really open the eyes on an important aspect of NBA referees.
@sawftmoreslump9820
@sawftmoreslump9820 3 жыл бұрын
" whack- get out!"
@TheSands83
@TheSands83 3 жыл бұрын
It’s black get out not whack .... that makes zero sense
@beelzedog
@beelzedog 3 жыл бұрын
mansonlamps I know it’s six days after but you’re definitely right lol
@nintendonchill
@nintendonchill 3 жыл бұрын
Refs were cheating. Kings and Blazers were cheated out of Finals. Who doesn't have beef with that?
@TheSands83
@TheSands83 3 жыл бұрын
Curly Que they missed because they let lakers play football n gave lakers every call n let them shoot free throws until game was tied
@pearleycunningham
@pearleycunningham 3 жыл бұрын
This is the beef history I’ve been waiting for
@garyfield3270
@garyfield3270 3 жыл бұрын
The NBA needs to better control the officials. This is still an issue today
@mckoolaid1567
@mckoolaid1567 3 жыл бұрын
Off topic but 2k should add bad all time teams like the 7-59 Bobcats
@tracefvr
@tracefvr 3 жыл бұрын
Ight
@ro2113
@ro2113 3 жыл бұрын
No.
@fitsumwoldemeskel4363
@fitsumwoldemeskel4363 3 жыл бұрын
Who tf is gonna play with them
@mckoolaid1567
@mckoolaid1567 3 жыл бұрын
@@fitsumwoldemeskel4363 me
@mckoolaid1567
@mckoolaid1567 3 жыл бұрын
@@ro2113 yes
@hunterking6033
@hunterking6033 3 жыл бұрын
Stare downs are absolutely an intimidation tactic. Why the hell do you think guys stare each other down after dunking, blocking shots, big hits, TD catches, Home Runs? It’s an intimidation tactic.
@-HughJass-
@-HughJass- 3 жыл бұрын
Its what people do before they start throwing punches. Really dumb narrative in this video. You can tell this clown has never been in a fight in his life.
@paulevans6066
@paulevans6066 Жыл бұрын
Sheed is the type teammate I want lol
@jdapaul1351
@jdapaul1351 Жыл бұрын
Pretty much "love 'em if they're on your team, hate 'em if they're the opponent"
@MrSonofabitch00
@MrSonofabitch00 2 жыл бұрын
"A lot of them cats are felonious" is one of the best quotes in history
@AlveinFencer
@AlveinFencer 3 жыл бұрын
"He went to the bench feeling heated, down from his post up high. Over the boos of the crowd and the whistles, they all heard his famous cry: You can get two shots when a soft knight flops, but a ball will never lie. Poor Sheed can plead, while the refs play deaf, that a ball will never lie~."
@im_waffles2920
@im_waffles2920 3 жыл бұрын
Damian Lillard’s greatest ballad.
@tobishonubi8327
@tobishonubi8327 3 жыл бұрын
Game of zones is lit
@markjones952
@markjones952 3 жыл бұрын
Basketball is my favorite sport. I like the way they dribble up and down the court.
@YaowBucketHEAD
@YaowBucketHEAD 3 жыл бұрын
Sigh.... *SOMETHING SOMETHING MOSES MALONE.*
@uriahbrandon6917
@uriahbrandon6917 3 жыл бұрын
I suggested this 2 years ago.... glad to see yall actually read comments!
@LoganNagol
@LoganNagol Жыл бұрын
4:04 damn that was cool ngl
@davidhix2913
@davidhix2913 3 жыл бұрын
Did I just become a Rasheed Wallace fan? Yes.
@marymba3859
@marymba3859 3 жыл бұрын
I Feel Like We All Wait To Long For Rasheed’s Episode:
@mikecookboxing
@mikecookboxing 3 жыл бұрын
Roy Jones vs Antonio Tarver or Bernard Hopkins beef history please! Love this channel & beef history!
@horvaton
@horvaton 3 жыл бұрын
Them Blazers' font was used as the theme for this...Brilliant!
@FingeringThings
@FingeringThings 3 жыл бұрын
Russell Westbrook beef with the press
@ryanscott4038
@ryanscott4038 3 жыл бұрын
Never knew this guy was responsible for every annoying youth basketball player’s favorite catchphrase
@dusk6159
@dusk6159 3 жыл бұрын
Because it was Allen Iverson instead of Sheed.
@sleepful1917
@sleepful1917 2 жыл бұрын
i listen to this basketball podcast called pod dont lie and now the name makes sense lmao, i love it
@daltonfarris
@daltonfarris 3 жыл бұрын
I can tell this video is gonna be really good.🚫🧢📠💯🐐🤷🏿‍♂️👌🏿👏🏿👍🏿
@ericsilver9401
@ericsilver9401 3 жыл бұрын
Someone should do "the creation of SB nation deserves a deep rewind"
@palaceofwisdom9448
@palaceofwisdom9448 3 жыл бұрын
The most infamous one for me was a game where Sheed was walking off the court at halftime and a ref blatantly baited him into saying something and immediately ejected him.
@SmoothCriminal12
@SmoothCriminal12 3 жыл бұрын
When did that happen?
@joshyyosh
@joshyyosh 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this! "Ball don't lie!"
@giovannoyan3568
@giovannoyan3568 3 жыл бұрын
Respect to that man, the NBA sometimes really does have those disgusting biased calls that they trynna make everyone forget
@bizzles44
@bizzles44 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite Rasheed Wallace moment is when he got thrown out for just glaring at a ref 😂
@julianbell9161
@julianbell9161 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta say, “Whack! Get out!” was not the call I was expecting
@nbapbaupdate8338
@nbapbaupdate8338 2 жыл бұрын
Still watching 💪💪💪 March 3, 2022
@March_for_Aries
@March_for_Aries 3 жыл бұрын
Kinda sad we didn't get to see "Both teams played hard", Iconic moment from Rasheed.
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