Carmelo Anthony and George Karl could have had a great legacy together, but all they've got is beef

[@Lampsadvice]

Finally a George Karl beef history. This guy could honestly have his own miniseries of beef.

[@wflive21]

You ain’t lying theirs so many players that talked negative about him

[@kevinzhu6417]

especially with what he said about Kenyon Martin and the release of his book

[@LetMeEatDem]

We all know GK was a good ole boy type of dude when he was younger.

[@blakelip3]

Sure could

[@dusk6159]

And thank god it was Seth covering it, the Karl and Carmelo beef is one of the best of the genre

[@shaneclaycomb7592]

Imagine going 50-32 and being an 8th seed. That’s crazy

[@deanbenford7363]

07/08 was a crazy year. Cp3's breakthrough, the Paul Gasol trade to l.a., Iverson goes for 26.4ppg and 7asst and wasn't even all-nba 3rd team.

[@PoetryJesusY2K]

The post we believe warriors missed the playoffs with a 48-34 record 😳

[@familyguyfreemoviedownload8314]

@@PoetryJesusY2K as a kid i was so upset about that lmao

[@protipskiptoendofvideoandr286]

@@PoetryJesusY2K if I remember right it was the first time a team with 48 wins didnt make it. Was a crazy year for the west.

[@chaosgreyblood]

That's how stacked the Western conference was in those years. Imagine having that in the East.

[@YouCallThataKnife253]

George Karl is a perfect example of how you can be right and still be wrong

[@FGPlus]

Melo still hasn't won neither has he ever been a great player just a great scorer

[@dusk6159]

@@FGPlus To top it off, an instead great player and great defender like GP loves Karl

[@gobot581]

@@dusk6159 literally everyone is likes by someone even people on death row. Name me 3 other recent coaches who have more players who hated them

[@DragonaAuntstar]

@@FGPlus woah woah woah. Melo was never a great defender but I think you forget the early 2010’s when the legitimate question of who would you rather take last shot (Carmelo or KD) was a thing. Prime Melo was a machine on offense. Karl is right tho basketball wise, he had the size to be a good defender was a solid defender in college but he never put the effort into it in the nba.

[@tan2750]

Just because you’re correct doesn’t mean you’re right

[@boringbill88]

Its ironic how Melo's career went. Coming out of college he was labelled a "winning player", but in the NBA his style and temperament was that of a great scorer without a winning mentality. He was a ball-stopper and was a bad defender for the most part. Karl was telling him the right things, but was telling him in the wrong way

[@quattobeast]

He straddled the ISO dribble drive/shoot era that AI had been a master of and the new Curry inspired 3 point wide spread game. He just missed when could have been a top guy by a couple of years.

[@Christian-eq6pq]

@@quattobeast He was a top guy for multiple years. Most people only believe that was with the Nuggets but he finished #3 in MVP voting the year LeBron last won and that was in 2012-13.

[@JoeBro915]

@@Christian-eq6pq fr, people just act like Melo’s career ended after Denver. But in typical Knicks manner, the Melo-Stat duo failed as a result of Stat’s injuries and really bad front office moves

[@unhhgcrxexhjvuvujchcrzwzwz7956]

I agree. We too often favor one side or the other in situations like this. They’re were obviously two talented guys who were just very personally flawed. It’s a Shame

[@anhiirr]

bc before this time if you wanted to Be like mike...or be great....you had to beat the likes of MJ/hakeem brilliant all around players and you had to BRING your GAME if you wanted to have a fighting chance....these days these kids labeled as "allstar/superstar" players know damn well theyre getting payed 30 if not 40+ mil to go belly up regardless theyll get payed just like chuck said. At least in the MJ era even if you were a nobody getting 30 against MJ was a personal GOAL for life. ETC and so on. THERE's just an utter lack of this in the league other than clowns going oh youre 35 now im gonna try to dunk one on you....the level of soft/weakness projected is downright sad theres no intensity and ppl feeding off the massive intensity/environment with no room for error....its totally missed in this era across the board....LIKE TBH we get better regular season games these days than these injury riddled playoffs/cake walk post seasons. Even my lakers in the bubble got some luck to swing their way with murrays injury....then bam/dragic and the heat injuries in that season...and im real enough to admit thats why its a astrisk ring yet ppl tout the MJ v lakers as an end all.......smdh. Casuals just cheapening the league by the day catering right into adam silvers master plan

[@jacobwilliams1223]

George Karl is a good coach, and in moments like this he is technically right, but man did the guy have a talent with burning bridges with his players. So many feuds had Karl as the common link to them it was not just coincidence.

[@jonnykilroy9762]

That's what separates the good from the great coaches. The great ones have the perfect blend of X/O's and ability to manage personalities, especially at the pro level

[@brianaiitken]

A large part of being a good coach is having the support of the locker room. There’s not too much variance in typical coaching ability at the nba level. a large portion of them are just okay, not great, not bad. but when one of those coaches is able to have the players be willing to run through brick walls for them, thats when they are able to do great things. You can see it with the knicks. Thib came and got the whole team to go all in with him last year, having them overachieve drastically. Now, this year, there isnt that same commitment level, and they’re just playing average.

[@demonkingbadger6689]

If you are always at the center, you eventually havw to question if you are the problem.

[@bugsyproductions3140]

Lol stop.

[@JonathanPaspula]

@@bugsyproductions3140 Anything wrong with what he said?

[@kingjayded4752]

You could make an entire movie of beef history for George Karl alone

[@AlexJMerry]

Fax g and they just might….

[@Citiprime]

Him talking about and doing bs psychological analysis on Kenyon Martin’s family situation as a child in order for Karl to sell a book was really low.

[@demonkingbadger6689]

@@Citiprime well, that is basically vintage Karl.

[@bg18k]

Coach would be happy to get on a pod or a video sesh anytime. He's got nothing to hide and is happy to share. Are guys like Melo or Boogie?

[@92alpha13]

Karl was the guy you called to rebuild. Not win championship. The one aspect that Karl really got lucky with was Gary Payton. Melo was a 19 year old multimillionaire who had access to things he never knew existed. Karl was an old head coach. Perfect seasoning for beef!

[@TheTrainFan9]

George, Kemp and Payton were more than capable of winning a title in Seattle. In his first full season as head coach, the Sonics went all the way to game 7 of the WCF. They had a good shot of winning the title in 1996 if they hadn't run into arguably the greatest team ever in the 72-10 Bulls. But he did wear out his welcome shortly there after. It's weird, Karl is still beloved in Seattle, reviled in Milwaukee for driving Ray Allen out of town, and in the case of the beef with Melo, I've seen a lot of Denver fans online side with Karl over Melo. He's got a complex legacy as a coach.

[@vaudou_]

@@TheTrainFan9 Well they still could have won if they started the series with Payton on Jordan instead of waiting until near the end

[@apeters38]

@@TheTrainFan9 yep spot on. I remember him coming to Sacramento after we fired Mike Malone. Karl immediately called out DeMarcus Cousin’s created a beef with him. Despite having Cousins, Rondo and Rudy Gay we only won 33 games with George Karl as head coach. The team just didn’t respond to him. That was his final coaching job in the NBA.

[@Him_Downstairs36]

Carmelo just wasn’t built to be coached hard. It ain’t for everybody.

[@Chris-tv1qz]

@@Him_Downstairs36 he was 🤡

[@Simeautomatic100]

*Damn. Carmelo gettin' drafted to the NBA is considered "back in the day" now 😭😔😭😔 I was in 5th grade*

[@dusk6159]

And he's the only player besides Lebron from the oldest draft too, not even Chandler (or Pau) is in anymore. And he's also on life support too, he's almost done. Wow.

[@LifeOrbes]

Same here... It's been 20 years almost 🥲🥲

[@Bsfnelz20]

And Bosh is already in the HALL OF FAMER OH MAN TIME IS FLYING

[@freddyrod2948]

I was a senior in high school 😭

[@skippythealien9627]

lol i was a freshman in high school when the whole "Lebron or Melo" debate raged among basketball fans everywhere. Seems silly in retrospect but that's how good Melo was both coming out of high school and in his performance for Syracuse in the tournament that year (the first time I started paying attention to college hoops) No one anticipated that Bosh and Wade would become Hall of Fame players too. That draft class was unbelievable

[@rumble4114]

It is funny that Karl's criticism of Melo (unwilling to change, listen, grow) is also his own biggest failure. Maybe they're not so different after all.

[@LeeGHThomas]

They always say what annoys you about another person is what you see in yourself.

[@LembeckIsStaying]

@@LeeGHThomas Yep

[@rumble4114]

@@LeeGHThomas Very true

[@JR-xv6mv]

FOR REAL!

[@PedroGarcia-zh2ki]

@@LeeGHThomas It's true. My parents usually say that the person you're most likely not to get along with is the person who is almost like you

[@stevencooke6451]

Melo at least was selfish, immature, and lacking focus. However, I feel there are signs he matured. I do not see the same with Karl, who despite a flirtation with death never seems to have gained perspective or grown-up himself. The fact that so many others find Karl impossible is telling too

[@anhiirr]

i mean look how many wins he got or sloan....they dont get payed to like eachother its about results man to man the respect should come natrually. PPL wrote of pat riley bc he had such immense talent to coach. and they grew to be coachable around him.....and he proved his pedigree with other teams/talent...as well as a GM. Nobody gets anywhere kissing ass....look at the ben simmons situation. Or zion. Treating melo like a diva would have CREATED these ben simmons/zion situations even earlier if melo started a trend himself. Even KG with his big salary cap contracts....hits its end point regardless of how hard he plays on both ends he wants to win and eventually boston couldnt sustain it either. I mean i think doc rivers is a major HACK of a coach and his pedigree of a player fits the bill. And sooner or later his stars downright dont want to play/win for him or play his system/style bc its terrible/miserable. His wasted time outs to give summercamp peptalks about "We gotta go out there and win were getting out hustled...in the 4th" WTF. CP3/RONDO both wound up hating playing for him by the end. and docs a "players coach" vs Stone cold MFers like Sloan or Brown even.

[@denizakin5645]

Different walks of life. We've seen melo grow from teenage phenom to a full fledged adult. We've seen George Karl grow from an employed old man to a retired old man. Of course we're not going to see much change with Karl.

[@anhiirr]

​@@denizakin5645 and again its not my business to care if george ever changes bc it wont put food on my table. No more than waiting for the world to change. I cant afford to get caught up "caring". Id honestly care more if they won. So if anything im obligated to care less NGL

[@Chris-tv1qz]

@Whyyoumadatfacts? 🤷‍♂️ goofy he laughed at the bench because he was a starter

[@Chris-tv1qz]

🤡🤡🤡 melo wasnt selfish

[@QuietRefl4378]

This was terrific. Well done! Both Karl and Carmelo, minus the cheap shots, were pretty accurate about each other. Carmelo never committed to defense; Karl could not be trusted.

[@joshgen8533]

I like Karl, though. He says what needs to be said, not what you want to hear and he gives the media insight on what they already suspect. He’s right, it shows today that a lot of professional athletes particularly in the nba and nfl are divas, like probably ALOT. It happens when you’re coddled since high school or elementary being that they are highly naturally gifted and plus most never had real masculine Role models. It is what it is, that’s how it goes.

[@saj8]

@@joshgen8533 And Karl has always been a diva coach.

[@Rukhasu]

Karl was right, Carmelo always looks more interested on score points even if this mean loses the game. He could join the Knicks in the off, but he decided to force a trade( he said he would sign with nets instead), and Knicks needed to give their role players, but for Carmelo is cool, he wants the spotlight.

[@PedroGarcia-zh2ki]

You could say the same in the 2014 offseason. He had the chance to go to really good teams but he decided to stay in a trash Knicks team and get money

[@samcruz9027]

Well I guess he's in the right place now

[@Oldscule62]

Lucas, you're delusional. Karl couldn't build a team and win a ring if he had the 97 Bulls. Mediocre coach at best whose penchant for being pathetically passive aggressive, alienated players. Look at all of the players he had and never came close. Look at his career as a player. 🤔 Both are sus.

[@troybrown587]

The fact you said Karl was right proves you don't know what you're talking about

[@MrOctober44]

@@Oldscule62 two wins away from a ring, only losing to questionably the greatest team ever, the 96 finals. I guess a better coach would have best them, lol

[@ubereats3047]

Nothing Karl said was wrong at all he just said it in the worst way

[@demonkingbadger6689]

For me, the biggest problem i always had with Karl, was he was way too happy to take his beef with a player to the media. Things like that should be kept in-house, and a coach who does that, i cant respect. (Doc Rivers may have been his successor in that)

[@holocade4908]

plus people are too sensitive and take any critisism against a black man as "racism"

[@Deoece]

true that. he's right and wrong at the same time lmao

[@shorewall]

I think he talked about it plenty in house, and then went to the media to get that player's attention. Players may not like it, but players would love to get paid to not play, like Kyrie and Ben Simmons. So it's not always about what players like. MJ and Kobe had beef with Phil Jackson, and he would say things to the media about them too. But we remember that differently. Karl wasn't wrong, he was a good coach. Not every good player or good coach can win a Championship.

[@lilphilosophy481]

He did it in a way to grab attention, such as social media is.

[@FrankOceannOFWG]

Melo really said in that tweet “some people never seize to amaze me” 😂😂😂😂😂 I’m dead

[@THE_BEAR_JEW]

Yeah that Syracuse education paid off.

[@quattobeast]

Bony Apple teeth!

[@SurgeryIsWoke]

He grew up without a father. A lot of those students athletes who use basketball to get out the hood are more Athlete than Student. Makes sense🤷🏿‍♂️

[@bigdick4090ti]

@@SurgeryIsWoke ... what a father gotta do with anything?

[@MrOctober44]

@@SurgeryIsWoke Because he didn't have a father means he can't read a book?

[@cyrillesu]

George Karl is right about Melo (and most of the players he criticizes). The only problem is that it's the only thing he sees. To him, you're never enough. You could be putting up triple doubles every night and all he can talk about is how you can't put up quadruple doubles every night.

[@thelastmanonearth2631]

Russell Westbrook is proof that you can have a triple double and still prevent your team from winning.

[@malcolmhodnett8874]

@@thelastmanonearth2631 thank you, someone needed to read that

[@thankyoujodi]

I don't think he wanted the numbers per se but for melo to realize that he can affect the game in more ways that scoring and that melo had the ability but not drive to do those things. You he mentions how he think melo could've been a great defender. And there were stretches with billups on board where you could see him trying but that seemed to waver, particularly when things weren't going his way on offense.

[@rickmoreno7166]

This is a good even-handed look at those Nuggets teams. I covered the team in this era, and one thing that a lot of folks like to ignore is that Melo was nearly uncoachable before Karl arrived. I distinctly remember a game where Bzdelik tried to have Melo move into proper position for a set play, and Melo shouted back, "STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO!" Melo was never going to get the Nuggets all the way there, and neither was Karl. They needed each other, oddly enough.

[@tmzebe530]

Look I’ve always melo. But when he said “I think I’m the most unselfish player in the nba” LOL 😂

[@anthonysiraguse2642]

Lifelong nuggets fan here. Thank you for making this video. Been waiting years for someone to make a video like this. Nuggets fans are so weirdly vocal about their hatred for Melo, booing him when he returns etc. But George Karl never gets the same level of hate. There's a certain local nuggets podcast that always has him on as a guest like he's some sort of hallowed old basketball sage. The guy got us out of the first round of the playoffs exactly one time and chased the best player the franchise had ever seen (with all due respect to Alex English) out of town. I despise George Karl.

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

Now we both know the answer to that question. How many black people actually live in Denver? Really Melo's entire career has been about racism they hate him because hes the A.I type n!&&3? since he came out directly juxtaposed in the draft next to every white person's favorite n!&&3? Lebron. Thats why Lebron got so much hate for leaving Miami. He was one of the good n!&&3?$ from a small town so white people felt like he betrayed them and their Good Negro storylines with the way he left his hometown CLE.

[@davidwong9001]

@@jdrmanmusiqking race card. Melo got jealous of Jeremy Lin and chased him out of NY.

[@milestonecomics8049]

@@jdrmanmusiqking plenty black folks in denver look up PaRK HILL FIVE POINTS

[@shorewall]

@@jdrmanmusiqking You make it seem like all black people want Rucker park, Dunk Contest, AI. All right then. :D

[@justinmasuda4227]

At least you have jokic now. Who imo is a much better player than melo ever was

[@davidtogi5878]

To me George Karl is a very skilled coach but with bad diplomacy. While Carmelo Anthony is very skilled offensively but catastrophic defensively. You can say that both were at fault for not fixing their own lackings.

[@user-dp5go8hr6w]

Agree Both at fault

[@mrwassef]

They’re both stubborn and poor communicators...although I put more of the onus on establishing communication on Karl. You can’t just think your coaching style is gonna work for every player and unwaveringly stick to it. But yea, they’re both hard headed and selfish.

[@selfishstockton6123]

Melo was the one saying you can’t nitpick when you win, when yeah you actually should if you want to advance in the playoffs which the Nuggets didn’t. Melo should have listened but he never matured or made himself coachable and that didn’t change when he left Denver. Can’t put that on anyone other than Melo

[@thankyoujodi]

Going to the media creates a hostile work environment for the entire franchise. I love Karl but those were his biggest mistakes. If he waited till after the divorce, fine. But he was slinging mud early and often.

[@shorewall]

@@thankyoujodi But in the video it seems like the big beef started after they both were gone.

[@DHworldwide185]

Say they were both at fault but blames Karl. Typical.

[@TenThumbsProductions]

Watching what a past his prime Chauncey could get out of Carmelo makes that Darko draft hurt even more.

[@AHeckingChannel]

Right? The Pistons royally whiffed their draft pick hard and probably could have been a dynasty in the East in the mid to late 2000s had they drafted the likes of Melo, Wade, Bosh and etc.

[@Bigedub101]

Man never thought of it like that cause forgot they could have gotten Melo....People say he wouldn't have fitted but Melo was one of best iso scorers I seen yet if he even had 50% good defense, man I hate Detroit but they would probably been dominating the East the whole 2000s......

[@TenThumbsProductions]

@@Bigedub101 not only that but let’s say the to with Wade instead, who were the Pistons biggest rivalries? A fluke hear when Boobie Gibson got hot in Cleveland and the Heat. You get Wade and you eliminate the heat in one stroke. Plus imagine if after Lebron took his talents to Motown to play with Wade because Wade would have rings at that point. Talking Warriors style dynasty all with one missed pick.

[@theycallmedom4157]

In fairness to Karl he didn’t lie about Anthony as a player. That’s all he’s right about.

[@Larhless]

He ripped them for not having fathers. KMA

[@andrewnaranjo6514]

In Karl’s perfect world he wanted Melo to be what Luka is today. A tall 6’8 forward who can score at will but be a walking triple double

[@Larhless]

@@andrewnaranjo6514 sike luka. Plays No d

[@trvspvrk]

@@Larhless Mavericks have a top defense and Luka is contributing on that end

[@holocade4908]

@@Larhless he wasnt wrong

[@daredevilseyes7493]

As much as George Karl was right, man did he get a lot wrongwhen it came to coaching style. His X's and O's was really good but communication wise, he was terrible.

[@lhart99]

Melo had a top-shelf skill set on offence that could have been elite level, but too much bullshit got in the way. In addition, I felt he was just lazy on defense, which Coach Karl pointed out, and turned out to be true over time.

[@Flow_Easy]

I'm starting to think Seth's favorite word is "Dismal" 🤣🤣

[@janb7361]

That's just what New York Knicks can do to a person

[@b_side8669]

I remember Karl more on the Sonics ,bucks ,nuggets & kings rather then on the cavs & warriors but his best years were on the Sonics in my opinion

[@deanbenford7363]

Sonics were the only team I never heard of beef with his players

[@drewking9743]

Karl is an amazing coach. Imagine coaching Melo, Iverson, Kenyon Martin and Henny Smith. Those were all the most hothead ballhog hoopers at the time!

[@SouthsideHardhead601]

Nobody ready to have that Convo tho

[@pressplayulysses]

"Henny Smith" 😂

[@JetSawce003]

I remember a picture on 2007 where Iverson and JR playing on billiard pool before a game vs bobcats lol

[@arrellehnisrael8229]

Imagine being a coach who ZERO PLAYERS speak highly of... at least Melo and Kenyon have respect throughout the league from their contempararies... COACHES don't even speak highly of George Karl.

[@arrellehnisrael8229]

@Whyyoumadatfacts? 🤷‍♂️ only uninteresting white guys with blkimmigrant gfs use terms like hoodboogers.

[@reee_4067]

Karl was right at some point but he does not known how to convey the message in a diplomatic way.

[@Riles3152]

The thing is, George Karl actually had valid points in his Melo critiques. He was just the wrong person to point them out, because he probably had an ego as big if not bigger than Melo’s. In fact, Karl was probably the Carmelo Anthony of NBA head coaches.

[@NotTheWheel]

Karl wasn't wrong about Melos defense. As a Syracuse Native I've followed him for most his career. That being said he's still an awesome person and player who has contributed back to our community here when he came back to play for the Knicks. I've met him twice once as a student and once as a pro. Talking about Melo's Father was uncalled for.

[@shorewall]

I don't think a lot of people know how sensitive of a topic it can be, but at the same time I think Karl was using it as an explanation. Like it's not that Melo is a bad person, but that he didn't have that authority in his youth, so he doesn't know how to handle it as an adult. But it's seen as losing face, so it is taken as offensive.

[@booradley6832]

There's basically no way an editor didnt flag that though and ask him if he wanted to rewrite it. When you see someone make a statement in a way that is easily construed as "thinly veiled racism" you're gonna try to avoid that 10 car pileup while you can. Karl definitely OK'd the statement for publishing. If Karl had said "I'm not sure these young men had a good support network growing up with all the components to teach them both how to take care of themselves while young but also to provide continuing mentorship outside of the basketball space, the kind of thing teams just cant provide them with" it would have said the same thing but been so much more diplomatic and maybe even have caused Melo to think the coach actually cared about him, deep down.

[@williamclark8864]

I mean, Karl was completely right. Years later Carmelo is still the same - a fantastic but inefficient scorer who never developed a single other part of his game and, as a result, never won anything.

[@factor.8795]

Carmelo Anthony has become very efficient as he has traded long twos for threes

[@LeeGHThomas]

Self fulfilling proficiency. Being that harsh on your players doesn’t always work.

[@JrKdM]

@@factor.8795 just years too late

[@factor.8795]

@@JrKdM kind of, he changed his playstyle cause the nba is more 3 point oriented. If he grew up in this era, he would be a 40% 3p guy for his career

[@kase121]

@NYC Kicks No! Karl was right about him then. You damn right Melo is gonna be professional now lol! His 37 & was out of the league at 34. Look how long it took him to gain self awareness, nearly 10 years after leaving Denver

[@albotsoowoo547]

George Karl is a habitual line stepper

[@kylehowe6761]

And melo isn’t?

[@shorewall]

The Hater's Ball. :D

[@javiers.3433]

As Knick fan fan I can Melo was great, scored, passed and was good to many team mates, however, he seldom made great long term decisions. Did not buy into Mike D motion offense more Signed a long term deal that caused the Knick trade that gutted team for him Did not leave to Chicago with Jimmy b and taj and stayed with Knicks. Did not position himself to to Miami with LBJ and DW

[@cookingwitchefzayy8830]

I'm a huge knicks fan but melo trade ruined the knicks and a chance to win a championship in the early 2010s we had a good squad but traded it all away

[@ivaneurope]

The Knicks really shot themselves into the foot by trading for Melo at the deadline while they could've gotten him in Free Agency for next to nothing. But apparently the Nets were also interested and likely the Knicks' FO panicked he could go to the enemy (right when the Nets were relocating to Brooklyn) and triggered the trade.

[@JawaPenguin16]

The points you’re making are good but the Knicks trade was not Melos fault. He said he was gonna go to the Knicks at the end of the season either way but the Knicks front office got antsy and gutted their roster for a star who was going to be there anyway. Then they failed to really build around him after that.

[@macewbee]

True please watch Basketball examined pointed this out he had a huge ego problem the good thing was his game did change.

[@Hawkeyes319]

He explained the Bulls situation. He considered it, but heard rumors about players getting moved..

[@hjluke4807]

George Karl is really a series, not an episode.

[@SecretBaseSBN]

lol yup

[@hjluke4807]

@@SecretBaseSBN keep up the good work. amazing as always.

[@xxjackirblackbloddxx7377]

@@SecretBaseSBN as long as you dont blatantly bias the script against him

[@ethankohn1001]

@@SecretBaseSBN pretty cool your one commentator likes the redwings

[@musyarofah1]

@@SecretBaseSBN how about a beef miniseries from particular players or coaches like Mike Keenan or Jose Mourinho

[@AlexJMerry]

Love to see new content from my favorite channel, great stuff guys.

[@matthewforbes2969]

Collapse: how Arsenal went from mighty European club to among the dregs of English football Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul Collapse: how the Montreal canadiens failed to reach sniffing distance of Lord Stanley for 28 years Rewinder: Sidney Crosby’s golden goal Untitled: Don Nelson never coaching a championship team Untitled: Ted Williams Untitled: Tony Olivia as a player Rewinder: 2010 World Cup final The worst: World Cup loss, Brazil vs Germany Collapse: how the big red machine of Cincinnati broke down beyond repair

[@lincolnwright7896]

Bruh, these are fire. That Ted Williams one has to happen

[@moneymase3456]

Are you like a secret base employee telling us the videos about to come out

[@fadilsp3]

Im an arsenal fan and i dont think we were ever a mighty european club. Yes we qualified many tines but we got knocked out in the round of 16 everytime. I think a better team is ac milan or man united. But i agree with everything else u said

[@supakoen2892]

Rewinder of the 2010 world cup final would be amazing

[@thewateringwiz7118]

Those are some awesome suggestions !!

[@lilbru]

Couldn't nobody tell me Melo was not going be the best player in that draft...his talented play in his freshman Syracuse by guiding the team to a championship win convinced me he was the truth. He was perfect for Denver & i thought Karl would be perfect too seeing as he coach GP & Shawn Kemp...man this player-coach duo should've achieved way more. I believe both sides were right in certain ways but it's how they both poorly handled it was the problem, especially Karl going to the media. I'll be objective, as much as i rock with Melo, what Karl was saying is nothing but truth to be honest...it's just him going to the media is the worst thing he did. Karl always say Melo was a great offensive player and spoke highly of him yet still held him accountable...there was no true respected veteran leadership on those nuggets team. Billups was the older cool homie & JR Smith & Kenyon have a history of being foolish so their opinions are invalid...of course they're not going to relate to an elderly white man. George Karl was an old school coach who the newer rebellious generation couldn't handle his strict regimen tbh. Melo that dude but what Karl said was truth...

[@uncledrew5804]

Spot on man. It took for Melo to be out of the league a good amount of time and be signed by the Blazers for him to change his attitude. While im not defending George Karl, the things he said in the book and interviews about his skills and as a player will be recalled upon once melo's career ends without a championship.

[@jonathanwashington9199]

LeBron James Ended Up Being More Successful Than Melo LeBron Has 4 Rings Not Bad For An 6"8 250 Pound Small Forward

[@cookingwitchefzayy8830]

You need to do a whole series on George Karl and beef

[@Madvillainy48]

Btw, Melo is revered by most of his former teammates. A lot of them say that he's actually very selfless and misunderstood.

[@shorewall]

Look, he can be a great person, but as a player, we all watch the games. We see it on the floor. How can we misunderstand that? And I like Melo, but that doesn't factor into what NBA fans are talking about.

[@jbmp1390]

The Anthony/Karl era of Nuggets history is almost painful to look back on. I've been a lifelong Nuggets fan but I always knew where the team stood and that we weren't going to the finals anytime soon. But the beginning of the Karl/Anthony years was the first time many of us fans saw a glimmer of hope that we could build a great team and actually accomplish something. And to see it all just slip away time after time just sucked. There was so much potential in the Nuggets team at that time. I'm just happy we finally did what we should've done back then and have BUILT a great, young team that is an actual contender.

[@bryanttisdale2446]

Karl was never a G.M. but he would get to have great talent in there prime. Gary Payton & Shawn Kemp. Ray Allen, Glenn Robinson & Sam Cassell. Anthony, Camby, Martin. He got 1 finals appearance 0 rings. He was the problem. The league kept recycling him instead of giving others a chance. People wonder why players want to take there carrier in their own Hands. Smh

[@DaFactsNoNonsense1713]

Ahhh, they were winning with George & losing without him, up until now, so there’s that!

[@bryanttisdale2446]

@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 George was winning with prime top 10 talent in Seattle Sonics, Milwaukee bucks & Denver but a competent coach should get to the playoffs with the players he had . Where is the finals appearance at least. 0 rings ! That's the problem. Ray Allen and Gary Payton had to change teams to be part of a championship team. It wasn't them they fit and played well in championship games 🤨. So it must be the other guy who didn't do his job G.K

[@DaFactsNoNonsense1713]

@@bryanttisdale2446 Ahhhh, I'm 1000% sure DEN started winning/going to the playoffs the second George got their! Then started losing/missing the playoffs the second he left #ThatPart #SoTheresThat It's OK to know facts over your opinions, especially when we're on THE INTERNET!!!!! #search #duh

[@bryanttisdale2446]

@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 Did coach Karl make game winning shots 🤥...No he didn't Melo did. Just like Ray Allen and Gary Payton. It wasn't like he had the 88' Washington Bullets. He had top All stars and HOF's in there 20's prime and had aleast 2 on each of the 3 teams . Karl should apologize for his waste of time and talent.

[@oddyotter9829]

Man George Karl's Nuggets was my team growing up. So fun to watch.

[@jordza2k11]

This time Karl wasn’t even wrong on basketball parts as he was vindicated but the family comments were unneeded

[@deanbenford7363]

How do you deduce that Karl was/is vindicated?

[@jordza2k11]

@@deanbenford7363 well for starters Melos never been that good defensively and as his careers gone on thats became more and more obvious its why 3 and D guys fit in teams longer, or team players fit in (Vince, Ray Allen) Melo is neither, his work ethic was never the greatest either especially on the defensive end, which is what Karl said. The only thing I disagree with Karl on is bringing his and Kenyons parental stuff into it as thats out of bounds

[@FireConvoy88]

George karl wasn't wrong about Melon, It took Melo a few years and some time not being in the NBA to realize he's not the number one option. I glad to see Melo doing well on the Lakers

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

Melo definitely was a number 1 option you clearly dont know basketball Dude really just had bad luck. For almost the 1st 10years of his career he literally never missed the playoffs in the West and literally always got bounced by the eventual *champions* Combine that with injuries to Stoudamire and other teammates, Ya cant make that kind bad luck up but he was clearly the driving force behind Nuggets and NY teams

[@DomClancy]

A Seth rosenthal video! The best one there is

[@eatasandwich337]

George Karl was right about Melo. He was not a winning player because he would not commit to helping the team be better. Even Billups said that Carmelo's biggest issue was that he cared too much about how he played and not about how the team played, and mentioned that Melo would not be happy if the team won but he was not scoring well. Chauncey also said that Melo would not be as unhappy as his teammates when they lost but he scored a lot. It also shows in his lack of effort defending and how he had such a hard time coming to terms that players like him are not stars anymore in the NBA after OKC and Houston. He's a great player but I could imagine that his ego for most of his career made it very difficult to coach him and for someone as petty and demanding as George Karl it was bound to be toxic.

[@33bigmoney]

it explains why he stayed in NYC so long, cause he can get all the shots up

[@edwinbetancourt3958]

​@@33bigmoneyhe hated that Lin was getting wins, last shots, and all that buzz while he was out. D'Antoni left because he knew this dude wouldn't continue the winning style they were running through Lin. Ohhhhhh what could've been❗ They were even playing good defense❗

[@ryanmahon1]

I loved the pace of this video. Found it to be really respectful. Also loved to see you mention Woody Paige the reporter. That’s some Colorado journalism right there

[@cyrus2546]

As far as I’m concerned his basketball critique of Melo is spot in. How could anyone argue with it? The guy will go down as a great scorer who never won a thing like T-Mac or Vince Carter (I’d take both guys over Melo). Even Iverson made it to the Finals once.

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

Lol if you'd take TMac or Vince Carter over Melo your smoking some good stuff.

[@shorewall]

@@jdrmanmusiqking Yeah, that's too far. I think Melo would have been great if he was drafted by Detroit. A team full of tough pros, could teach Melo how to care and how to win. Melo probably wins a ring and becomes an icon. We saw in this video that he did better when Billups came over. Imagine being on a team with Younger better Billups, and Ben Wallace, and Rip Hamilton, and Rasheed Wallace, and Tashaun Prince? The Pistons already beat the Lakers as was. They probably have a dynasty with Melo. They were a great defensive team, so they could cover up for Melo and get him to buy in.

[@woostanley6290]

Finally Secret Base is doing their best thing: nba videos!

[@Melo7Experience]

When every single star player who played under Karl has nothing good to say about him.. that tells you something. The fact is that Melo was asked to score and Karl’s teams thrived on offense. The team had. I gets who could help push melo. You either had offensive talents or defensive talents, never 2 way players so asking melo to do more when the teams were winning I’m sure came off insulting bc he wasn’t demanding it from others who were being asked to do as much as Elo. He came into the league polished on offense and averaged 21 ppg as a rookie. The dude needed a mentor who could show him the way, not an average player turned coach who would only tell him what he did wrong.

[@bigbucks0692]

I feel like you're the most reliable when it comes to being unbiased and well researched. Really appreciate your craft.

[@zachhopkins56]

Nothing Karl said was wrong though he is right Carmelo was an offensive masterpiece but played absolutely zero defense even to this day on the Lakers everyone says “ you have a group of old guys who have never played defense and are asking them to all of a sudden play defense”

[@JC-po5zy]

🤣if u don’t actually watch full melo games just say that

[@zachhopkins56]

@@JC-po5zy what did I say that was wrong💀 it’s true if you just watch highlights when they win vs bottom feeder teams just say that

[@JC-po5zy]

@@zachhopkins56 no u said ur opinion 🤣

[@zachhopkins56]

@@JC-po5zy no I didn’t I literally quoted the video twice and quoted nba analysis if you think mine was an opinion look at his defensive stats in his career

[@JC-po5zy]

@@zachhopkins56 🤣Dennis Rodman never averaged a 1.0 stl or 1.0 blk and yet he won 2dpoy’s everything you’ve said let’s me know u prolly listen to nick Wright and Ryan hill is 💀but have fun arguing wit ur self kid🤣

[@senorfish2503]

I'm happy to see Seth was unfrozen from carbonite to narrate again!!

[@asaptenebrae2240]

" No disintegrations" 😉

[@dusk6159]

Finally

[@jdrummerdd]

NUGGETS CONTENT FINALLY THANK YOU

[@MannyMensah94]

Dope video. As a knick fan, I really enjoyed Melo during the high and lows. 👍🏿

[@TheKidwonda]

Hear me out but there are players in this league who REQUIRE tough love I’m not saying the coach needs to be disrespectful but some players just don’t respond to those Scotty Brooks types(I think you know where I’m going). There’s a reason the most success AI ever had was under Larry Brown for for Melo, George Karl. Some teams have players do the tough love leading guys like Jordan, Kobe, Moses Malone etc.. Other teams need the coach to be a hard ass for example Auerbach, Riley, Popovich, Doc, hell even Ty Lue and Spoelstra. I think if players like AI, Melo and now Russ had leaned into the type of coaching more then maybe they would’ve gave more consistent team success

[@shorewall]

Exactly. Stars and coaches need each other, but some stars need a tough coach. Melo is a perfect example who needs a tough coach to demand more out of him. (Kobe and MJ needed a calm coach like Phil to reign them in.) But Melo also needed a team that buys in so that he doesn't feel like he is losing face. Like when Chauncy Billups was on the team. Teams need good vets around the young guys and especially young stars. Keep the headcases away. Basically, Melo is high maintenance. :D He would have been great if he was drafted by the Pistons.

[@JackOBee29]

You guys are awesome 👏🏿

[@phoodiegames]

*Collapse:* - Chicago Bears (post-1985) - New Jersey Devils (post-2003) - Toronto Blue Jays (post-1993) *Rewinder:* - Chiefs-Colts 2013 AFC Wild Card Round - Frenzy on Figueroa (Kings-Red Wings 2001) - Patrick Kane’s 2010 Cup-Winning Goal - Alec Martinez’s 2014 Cup-Winning Goal *Beef History:* - Battle of Alberta - Battle of California (Kings-Sharks) - Battle of Ontario

[@IsiahTomas]

Here's one better, Oiler's beef with Edmonton.

[@JammastaJ23]

George Karl is totally right on the defensive points... Melo's offensive game was elite for the time and even though he wasn't efficient by today's standards he was the typical volume scorer of the 2000s like a Kobe, Iverson, or McGrady. But he never had the lockdown defensive mentality that like Kobe, Lebron, and KD have and it was usually Chauncey, K-Mart, or a Dahntay Jones that would guard the other team's best scorer when it mattered. He was a good athlete in his prime so with effort he could have been at least a plus defender, if not an elite one. Also there are stories everywhere of Melo just caring about his points and not about the result of the game or anything else really. He was very frustrating as a Nuggets fan during the 2000s.

[@sunkings5972]

I lived in Denver for the start of Melo's career and as talented as he was, i hated his attitude and his game actuallt was selfish. Not so much a ball hog as he was too emotional as Melo could play defense, but rarely choose to. That said Karl is one of the worst coaches ever and how he stayed in the league that long is amazing.

[@Mister.Patterson]

Melo in 09 was the last time I saw him lock in on defense. Especially vs the Lakers in the WCF. Chauncey definitely brought a great dynamic to that Nuggets squad

[@MrOctober44]

One of the worst coaches ever. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound saying that?

[@iwishiwasthomasshelby]

Thank you!!!! These videos are not the same without Seth!

[@maxp2305]

Melo got me into basketball. When I was in elementary school, he was my hero. Once he got traded to the Knicks though, I almost completely stopped watching basketball for years

[@skippythealien9627]

Melo is definitely one of the most underrated and disrespected players in the history of the sport. I remember people blasting him as lazy and immature but ffs the guy wasn't even old enough to buy beer. a lot of the jerkoffs in the sports media never even gave this guy a chance people forget that he single-handedly brought the Nuggets from being an absolute laughingstock to a solid playoff team every year. He did the same thing with the Knicks. The knicks were a comedy show before the Melo trade. After he got traded, Melo nearly took the Knicks to the Finals ffs

[@TheTrainFan9]

@@skippythealien9627 Melo is a special player. One of my friends from college is from Denver, and he tells me all the time how Carmelo completely revived basketball in the city for a whole generation of young kids. The Nuggets hadn't made the playoffs in YEARS before he was drafted and were regularly at the bottom of the West. His talent as well as his vibe (the cornrows were the coolest thing to him then) really brought people back. As a Knicks fan, I will always appreciate the 2012-13 season from the guy. He was something special that year, and who knows what could have happened in the playoffs had KG not roughed him up in the first round. Plus he's also done a lot of great charity work helping to build basketball courts in Puerto Rico where his family is originally from, so that's also nice.

[@Cashmoneez]

@@skippythealien9627 let’s not act like melo ain’t got a problematic personality tho the jermey Lin situation being the biggest example

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

Can people stop bringing up Jeremy Lin that dude has done absolutely nothing his entire career yet we are supposed to believe Melo was jealous... Racist people just need an avenue to vent their ideologies without exposing themselves. Nobody cares about Lin yall only bring him up to throw shade on Melo

[@Pinero02]

I was the biggest Melo fan during this time and looking back at it now all Karl was saying is Melo could've actually been better than lebron like they hyped had he actually strived to reach that level as opposed to just wanting to bust people ass Karl seen a great player that could've been way better and I agree

[@Tommy_Montana]

I never knew even Ray Allen grew to despise him

[@macewbee]

Same here

[@KazeShikamaru]

Karl was right about Melo the player and some of the person. So he isn't wrong. Melo is the reason he still doesn't have a ring. He is one of the best to play for the USA though.

[@MichaelMartin-qe5ye]

George Karl coaching history: 1. Get hired. 2. Alienate best player. 3. ? 4. Profit.

[@SuperDavis22]

Please do a Larry Brown and Allen Iverson beef that would be awesome.

[@bioshcok21]

Wake up babe sb nation came out with a new episode

[@rellmar1919]

Id love to see Joe Flaccos story on collapsed..from his being in matt ryans shadow pre draft through the first 4 yrs of his career, beating brady in the playoffs twice on the road,to superbowl, to highest paid qb to back up

[@zachphillips7997]

It had to do with his contract. The Ravens paid an above average qb elite money and the roster suffered because of it

[@rellmar1919]

@@zachphillips7997 not a story from you. Thanks though

[@kyreedavis2263]

@@rellmar1919 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jeffreylasky2737]

As a Nuggets fan since the early 90’s, they both wasted a golden opportunity. Melo was a diva Karl was a curmudgeon And both had egos that eventually destroyed the team

[@blacknetsmed]

Melo was a diva. Karl was a diva. Karl was NOT a curmudgeon at all. He wanted to the star of a team.

[@weirdal9500]

god these videos have always been so well put together

[@damirvujevic2685]

Two guys that are good at their jobs but everybody (including themselves) told them they are great so they acted like they really are.

[@nicknackau]

I been waiting a long time for this one

[@junkscorpion7011]

Man Ive been quarantine cuz i got covid thank you for keeping me entertained and informative love yall guys channel❤🙏🏿👍🏿

[@kylehowe6761]

U rnt sick

[@miche1df]

Y'all could've done another seven-part series just on George Karl's various beeves with players.

[@jaynoxjay]

What George said was right, but where and how he said it was wrong. If George was a better motivator/coach Melo and the Nuggets would have at least one ring.

[@shorewall]

I'm sure he said it all the time in practice, but Melo only heard it when Karl went public to irritate him. Still didn't take long term, though. Some people need to be pushed. Some need to be soothed. MJ punched his teammates in practice if they weren't competing like he wanted. MJ and Kobe were so competitive that they needed a laid back coach like Phil to complement them. Melo and a lot of other stars are not competitive enough to work hard and change themselves and go out of their comfort zone to win. They need a tough coach to demand more, but that can't happen in the modern NBA. Stars need to let themselves be coached, like Duncan and Curry. Or be gifted AND driven, like Lebron, and even then, would he be better with a good coach? Would Melo's career have been better if he had no coach or a yes-man coach? No, he needed someone to demand more, but he wouldn't hear it until his prime was over.

[@withalittlehelpfrom3]

“We never got those buttons pushed, to where he’d be a triple double star.” Flash forward to Melo’s current teammate, who shows perfectly how getting triple doubles doesn’t guarantee wins.

[@rezhaadriantanuharja3389]

LeBron?

[@realemmcee]

@@rezhaadriantanuharja3389 Westbrook

[@selfishstockton6123]

Everybody wants to bury George Karl but Melo didn’t make himself coachable: he never matured.

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

Karl is was a 60yr old acting childish in the media. Literally no one like him Karl was about as immature as it gets you a 🤡

[@Crusher103]

I think this now needs to be a running series. George Karl vs Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, J.R. Smith, Gary Payton, Demarcus Cousins, Shawn Kemp, Ray Allen.....

[@tytiger7176]

With melo and Westbrook on the roster, guaranteed early exit for Lakers.

[@deekay7594]

Lol

[@thelastmanonearth2631]

They ain't even gonna make the playoffs, my guy

[@alonzofranklin3310]

@@thelastmanonearth2631 watch

[@504gucci4]

I don't even think it's melo fault, it's really just Westbrook and AD was MIA most of season

[@504gucci4]

@Whyyoumadatfacts? 🤷‍♂️ Tru, but I was just saying he's not doing bad since he's been coming off the bench🤷🏿‍♂️

[@nellyb1594]

AI joining the Nuggets was the first team up in the NBA I was insanely excited for. 2 Street King's joined, but it wasn't what it could've been unfortunately.

[@roryasencio9001]

"racist comments"? You're suggesting racism where there is none, furthering the divide for no damn reason.

[@st3v0s]

Yep

[@dereksaunders8199]

That outro was worded perfectly. Good job guys

[@amitakarsh7902]

Waiting for that Boogie and Karl beef history episode...

[@Alonzo2k8]

That Iverson trade was the most dumbest trade I've ever witnessed in my entire life

[@twoodbeats]

the one to Denver or the one to Detroit? 🤣

[@Alonzo2k8]

@@twoodbeats detroit one

[@Xdawgs1118]

They were not winning anything with iverson

[@Alonzo2k8]

@@Xdawgs1118 exactly

[@JrKdM]

@@Alonzo2k8 lmao idk what detroit was thinking there lololol

[@Raisin_]

I mean...Karl was right in a lot of ways. What makes it look bad is the timing of his way of coaching. He was always an old school, hard-ass, kind of guy who would call out his guys regardless of the media. The internet and social media was on the come up during this time so people could see and try to empathize with Melo. They see a young superstar getting called out with all the details behind the scenes and they side with him. But now you look at it in retrospect and you see how Karl was right. Melo's selfishness with the knicks, getting jealous of Jeremy Lin's short time of fame, laughing at the idea of playing off the bench, and to this day being a burden of his team because of his lack of defense.

[@anhiirr]

theyre both diametric personalities IMO....i mean melo doesnt like criticism then plays in NY and not even the nets...but the GARDEN. Like as great as he was at times....im sure many fans were going JESUS when he was getting blown by and not even trying to recover/re route his opponent into a help defender. But like seriously TO be soft about criticism then bag chase in NY to play for one of the most critical ball purist/game purist fans to essentially jack up shots in front of them for a window of his career. I mean its the pedigree of an ass....while LBJ is assembling super teams and trying to achieve his literal life goal. Theres a level of effort across the board at play here as well as optics that "EFFORT" wont make up for w.o the other variables/circumstances in play....which again wont happen w.o the right pedigree. See to melo he can ball out when its easy like the NCAA or olympics where he can just "do his job play his role" the second hes in the NBA and WINNING is the only narrative and hes a 1st option...."being a good player" makes up for losing or getting eliminated in the playoffs esp when its at home in the garden....

[@trollkenobi6727]

Collapse 1982-83 76ers 1985 Bears 1978 Steelers 1986 Celtics 1994 49ers 1988 Bengals 1990-1993 Bills 1991 Redskins 1990 Lakers 2000 Ravens 1991 Trail Blazers 1999 Jaguars 1999 Titans 1992 Suns 1995 Sonics 1997 Jazz 1995 Magic Drexler Blazers This list can go forever....

[@musyarofah1]

Some of them aren't really considered a collapse and more of 'teams running out of fuel'

[@arizonaFIREent]

92 suns???? You mean 93 and the suns made the playoffs until 2002

[@jotarokujo8344]

86 Celtics? How is that a "collapse"

[@trollkenobi6727]

@@jotarokujo8344 1987 Magic's Hook Shot 1988 Bird's struggles 1989 8th seed swept by Detroit 1990 Beaten by Ewing 1991 Beaten by Detroit 1992 Bird's final year 1993 Mourning's game-winner and McHale's final season 1994 Missed Playoffs 1995 Final Year in Boston Garden It's like the 2014 Pacers Collapse

[@trollkenobi6727]

@@arizonaFIREent Yeah

[@rb8165]

Melo is proof that all the money in the world cant buy class 😂

[@weaksauce50]

I have been waiting for this!

[@jjleblanc8151]

I always kind of hoped that SB would make a video on the AI Larry Brown beef, but this is close enough

[@blakelip3]

They already made it where have you been lol

[@ivaneurope]

@@blakelip3 It was not a Beef History video though - the feud between AI and Larry Brown was mentioned in the AI stepping over Tyronne Lue Rewinder as well as AI's Untitled episode, but that doesn't tell the entire story though

[@mikespataro6095]

And the beef still lingers to this day

[@jdrummerdd]

Everytime Melo has come back to Denver, half the crowd boo's him and it infuriates me. That dude is the reason everyone 21-35 in denver LOVES basketball man. Will never cheer against melo(unless he's playing the nuggets 😂)

[@oxsinna]

facts man he was my whole childhood as a denver native

[@VLE-Grimace]

Exactly!! He’s my whole reason for loving the game I could never boo him, I even cheer him when he plays against the Nuggets I don’t care.

[@jbmp1390]

Are you high? I was a kid when he came here and I was excited by the prospect but Carmelo squandered all the potential we had. Was Karl perfect? No. But the failure of that team lies mostly on Carmelo. He's someone who could've possibly reached the level of a Lebron or Steph but he cared more about egotistical crap than actually reaching his potential. That's why he fails in his personal life too. He managed to win the love of one of the most desirable women in the world and his thought process was that there was no problem with him being a narcissistic, serial cheater and when that fact was brought up to him, he decided that he would be dismissive and take zero responsibility and somehow put the blame on his wife because she chose to believe the vows he made. Sound familiar? Of course because it's exactly what he does in his career too. He wants to be seen in the same light as guys like Kobe, Lebron, Steph, Michael etc but he's never been willing to put in HALF the work they did, and therein lies his downfall. If you like him that's cool but don't act like the guy is somehow special to Colorado, even if it's just Denver, because he ain't.

[@marky113]

@@oxsinna same

[@Him_Downstairs36]

I miss those old silk uniforms teams had from the mid 2000’s. Those were so clean

[@headcreeps2138]

I know which ones you're talking about. Rockets, Nuggets, Heat, 76ers all wore them 👍

[@FreeFoodforthePoor]

But Carmelo’s greatest beef was with passing.

[@brooKlynKiteflyer]

🤣 even the latter part of Carmelo’s career. Once he gets the ball, we all know he is going to shoot no matter what 🤣

[@blakelip3]

Seth is back 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@Evs78101]

Been waiting for this one for awhile. George Karl had a title contender on his hands.

[@dusk6159]

Thanks to Chauncey

[@factor.8795]

@@dusk6159 *melo, the team created some bad rosters around Melo. Melo excels with playmakers

[@dusk6159]

@@factor.8795 No, hell no and even hell no again. Those three points are wrong and then some, they're the opposite of the case. It was Billups pulling the Nuggets over the top, he was their leader and went to the WCF vs the Gasol, Odom, Fisher, Bynum, Ariza etc Lakers. Those teams were loaded in every position and finely crafted, even trades after trade (the great AI acquisition with then even the fantastic Billups trade right after to upgrade it), and Billups was the finest playmaker you could get.

[@factor.8795]

@@dusk6159 allen iverson was a talented player but his playstyle doesn’t mix in with melo’s, that acquisition was horrible. Kind of like Westbrook to the lakers. Melo led that team tô thé wcf

[@Hawkeyes319]

@@dusk6159 You're wrong.

[@karpaghasreedharan4805]

I was waiting 🔥🔥

[@SuperGravyMan]

That Iverson trade was an awful idea for the Pistons. Didn’t like it then, really don’t like it in hindsight

[@judecollyer6582]

More basketball recaps please!!!

[@desean3402]

George Karl and beef just go together.

[@brandonjones8059]

Seen George Karl say something about Melo on Twitter the other day

[@RafsanS15]

calling him overrated n worse than detlef schrempf