Rating ALL NEW RUNES in Phase 3 Season of Discovery

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00:00 - Intro
02:40 - Sponsor
03:54 -Warrior
10:55 - Warlock
15:56 - Shaman
23:30 - Rogue
28:28 - Priest
33:49 - Paladin
39:05 - Druid
45:12 - Mage
51:20 - Hunter
56:34 - FINAL RATINGS (Class & Spec)

[@Sarthetv]

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[@sebastianbergstl4423]

can u rate according to simmed dps based on gear/runes?

[@poochymama2878]

The dps difference between Horde and Alliance is going to be insane in P3. Just how much better Shamans are than Paladins, combined with most Alliance groups struggling to find Ferals, and finally with the much better racials that Horde has (especially on super short fights) is going to make the gap even larger than last phase.

[@BebopHero]

guild already swapped to horde, why play the losing faction in pvp AND pve?

[@BebopHero]

@@leobleon2653 you say that now but everyone and their moms know ele shaman is going to be completely oppressive in pvp and STILL run woe

[@Berkouilles]

I've never played alliance ever before SoD, so I tried it. What a stupid move. Thinking blizz would balance things out lmao.

[@Anno-gm3yo]

Dont cry first time horde is better Alliance have te better quest flight points have fear ward in end game on be and now shaman are better for now a soon p3 hits that is over

[@BebopHero]

@Anno-gm3yo yeah so um literally everything you just said is wrong. Infact maybe never comment again. P.S I main horde, and i still know that it's blatantly unfair for alliance

[@Shockdoctor_OG]

Burn is a ele rune too brother getting more flame shocks out means more power surge procs means more instant lb and chains that's huge

[@thebrokenman6860]

My eye was twitching when he said tank rune lol. Also you can just use lower rank Flameshock to spread it for procs if it's eating up too much mana.

[@Shockdoctor_OG]

@thebrokenman6860 ya I mean it can be used for a tank rune he's not wrong but it's definitely a power house rune for ele I agree

[@Czarny__]

There is no point to even take Burn as ele. Only good vs trash mobs. Ele is forced to stay melee with mental dex, weaving melee attacks with flame shock casts.

[@Bladekaizer]

@sarthe ward makes all those abilities castable on others also so pretty good for arcane mage healers

[@Beheruth]

Hmm about lake of fire im just dropping it here.. what if u precast it and swap chest on pull? 😅😅

[@finessinlive]

I think it depends if rogue goes all the way down the assassination tree or not for those two runes. If we go all the way, our crits will add extra combo points through seal fate and with vigor - combat potency could be nuts

[@antilitarded4142]

So the ranged hunter still gets screwed......thnx Arthe for the update!!

[@x7zauman910]

RIP Ranged Hunter 2024

[@DazeKaze]

Leave to hunters to cry about being the number 1 dps with melee, number 1 solo quester, number 1 booster/dungeon solo. and STILL incredibly strong in ranged pvp. you can pump out 2k damage in a couple globals before these new runes.

[@Kivrus]

lol melees are not top1 dps, check some good fresh logs. in pvp - they are fine, but not even close to enh shamans@@DazeKaze

[@dbmoose]

Lock and load is an insane rune, and honestly one of the strongest runes this phase, people dont undestand the power of getting 2 extra Chimera shots per 15s. Just look at how much a bis chimera shot is doing on the first two bosses with homunculus, its like 1.5k with the serpent proc. Getting 3k extra damage every 15s is like 200 dps in gnomer gear. The other rune sucks and the scaling won't compete with melee, but Lock and Load is super powerful on non-movement fights assuming you hit your traps. Its not as flashy as a million combo points or 30% spellpower of attack power, but its in the same ballpark in power.

[@Fliptality413]

@@dbmoose you're wrong. ranged hunter will still be bottom tier

[@joshseagraves3295]

Hurricane just got stealth buffed it seems. I went from 70dmg a tick to 100+

[@mingustheduck]

I literally just want 5 stable slots. Even 4 would be fine.

[@p-chan3319]

For Gore, it is mostly a Bear rune to spam swipe. That's it really. But amazing for bears.

[@venomsego1939]

burn is insaneeeee for ele sham. power surge can proc off the initial dmg of flame shock so getting a 5% roll chance x3 and then 5% per tick on 3 + targets is going to be insaneeeee we are feasting PVP ele can play with riptide as well :)

[@nyztan0]

its completely insane how strong horde is

[@jfunn]

The rune of pre-clear 😂😂😂

[@TehMarc919]

Was this also precleared?

[@adamg59]

Roflmao😂

[@wholawl]

Small disclaimer in regards to the lock haste rune, Conflag consumes immolate and immolate is part of the rotation so there's friction consuming immolate then having to reapply it, not to mention conflag itself is a dps loss compared to the regular incinerate filler rotation. The trade-off for having to use conflag with the rune will be less impactful than everyone seems to think.

[@CrixGuides]

We sim the highest with Backdraft, well ahead of any of the alternatives. It will be annoying to have to Immo after, but it's whatever. Still will have 30% perma Spellcasting haste.

[@denisvezirski5210]

30% haste in classic is ridiculously valuable bro

[@doomguy4945]

The only thing weird about the riptide + chain heal combo is that it feels a bit unrealistic to riptide someone and then chain heal them, unless it's the tank since you should keep the riptide buff on them. It could result in some pretty nutty cross-group heals, but it still feels kinda bad how much setup is required (cast time, riptide buff, 10 yard radius on the bounce), compared to a druid just pressing wild growth and calling it a day. I think the most use we're gonna actually get out of the riptide + chain heal synergy is casting chain heal on the tank anytime we see the riptide HoT expiring, and hoping melee is missing enough health that it does some good healing.

[@davidfields5375]

If Wrecking Crew stacks with other enrages, it could be a lot better than we think

[@CoffeeTheFreshmaker]

Rapid Killing could proc if any mob tagged to your group, or you yourself tagged, dies. Could be it doesn't require you to get the last hit. If so then any boss with adds would see it rise pretty high up. I feel like T.N.T should give any explosive shot or fire based trap damage instance a 10% chance to reset explosive shot cooldown, and make explosive shot tick one extra time for fire trap damage on the main target only, leaving the dot as well.

[@brandonboss6868]

Wrecking crew may be good with raging blow.

[@mantock5803]

feel like u missed the Lock and Load rune for hunter. It makes it so the next shot DOESN'T incur a CD or mana. that means you can trap, chimera shot (no cooldown) right into another chimera shot. or am i wrong?

[@Apemania69]

Druid boomies should get a rune for starfall from TBC and give it the talent added into it that the impacts make a small dmg area

[@202adr]

treants lol

[@CoffeeTheFreshmaker]

kinda wish with lake of fire they made it apply on mobs every tick for twice the duration of time between ticks and then stack up in duration. Then you'd gain the effect on aoe and still have it after.

[@snuuf]

I'm a bit of a noob on classic mechanics (much more of a retail player), but i think snapshotting only works with lifesteal effects in classic (i.e., SWP can't be snapshotted)? SWP is also like 10% of your damage in single target iirc? Also, doesn't divine aegis only proc on crits? I am not sure what crit chance they will have, but that doesn't seem nearly as strong as a 15% version of the effect that procs on all casts?

[@jockek46]

I find it wierd how they can design the Gore rune and still not do anything about lacerate and mangle being on the same rune slot. but it does give me hope for a change, just make lacerate a learned bear ability instead

[@denisvezirski5210]

demo lock pvp with instant corruption and spell pen and improved drain life and pandemic/felguard will be a nightmare to play against, unkillable demon king, i love it

[@armandovercouteren7638]

Forgot to Mention our dream being unkillable sl metha warlock is gone

[@roniroukoz6040]

burn is an elemental shaman rune its insane for elemental with power surge in pve

[@boggizzle]

Yeah, looks like he didn't consider that, imagine the CL procs on trash now :D But also good for group fights in PVP. Potentially tripling the instant MeatBall casts !!!

[@JT-mt6ku]

It’s actually astonishing how hysterically terrible the gore rune is for feral Druids, especially compared to every other damage rune every other class got. Also how completely out of touch do you have to be to continue buffing the duration of a shitty dot (rip) when there is nothing else worth spending combo points on because a 5CP ferocious bite does less damage than a single mangle?

[@Thomateb2o]

as i main feral from wrath , i rerolled spec is trash in every situhation , PvP wise u just oom in 3shapeshifts

[@naturalyamazing]

foolish to hope. But if all ferals reroll alliance gonna bitch hard haha

[@Ryan-hc2vz]

They refuse to give us the thrash (cat) rune that was datamined end of P1.

[@chc2650]

Thrash being saved for 60 like Fan of Knives@@Ryan-hc2vz

[@antonhagelberg7430]

Just look at how little they did with an entire spec design like mage healer, they either don't have the developer numbers (very likely) or lack any creativity for designing these runes.

[@MrGlennJohnsen]

Unfair Advantage for Rogues basically makes their dodge behave as parry, Rogues are (by far) going to be the best single target physical tank.

[@Levelity]

The only thing I’m not digging about the runes now is it feels like rarely there is overlap between specs. It just feels like buffs to specs or spec runes.

[@boalollal242]

Wonder if Shaman rune Burn works with Ancestral Guidance Rune as it is the same cast. Still no proper pushback reduction for questing/pvp. I'm just giving up my Elemental dreams in pvp. Great damage but it's just a pain in the ass to play as soon as you take any damage, eye of the storm is useless sadly.

[@H-D-D]

Skill issue

[@poochymama2878]

I would probably put Warrior dps runes as B. 10% attack power from Rampage is really good, but if you compare it to perma bloodlust, which you rated A+, I think it's a step back.

[@TommyBoyB]

Rip Water Shield

[@poochymama2878]

So looks like Horde Warriors, Shamans, and Mages(and maybe Warlocks with perma bloodlust) are gonna be the kings next phase. Alliance Warriors will be mid since they won't have wild strikes since every feral is gonna reroll/respec. Feral Druid and Range hunter are going to be eating poo at the bottom. Assuming it goes as planned, letting range hunter be F tier now for 2 full phases is a huge fail. Having melee hunter shine for a bit is cool and all, but most of the hunters I talk to enjoy the class for the ranged archer/beastmaster fantasy. As for Feral druids, how did they manage to make the Gore rune so bad? I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they were designing that rune and discussing what proc chance they were gonna give it; 5% is what they decided would work best? Paladins got some nice healing runes, but I don't think it's enough. The trend continues of them just being discount shamans. Speaking of, why did they give the most OP class in the game right now(Shamans) the most OP rune? Also, perma bloodlust for Warlocks is insane. That may actually be the best rune. I'd love for the person who designed that rune to have a sitdown balancing discussion with the person/people that designed the Gore rune.

[@MrGlennJohnsen]

Hammer of Wrath rune for Paladins now also makes Hammer of Wrath instant cast, datamined. So 20% execute phase where all you do is spam Hammer of Wrath, might be good ...might be trash.

[@Yumta]

Backdraft AS + Crit Rune on Chest should make up for not using LoF.

[@az9498]

Riptide should have an AoE splash affect to it more than just 1 extra person but instead have it be a reduced amount for the splash affect. It would give them some on the go group healing allowing them to become viable healers for BM groups. And your heals should never consume your hots.

[@NFRSM]

affliction lock is simming very good

[@audiofun1]

Hell yeah. I'm here for it

[@NFRSM]

destro still simming around 200ish dps higher than affliction atm, going to be hard to beat destro with perma 30% haste just for doing your rotation but atleast affliction is looking respectable and will be a beast if theres any multi target bosses@@audiofun1

[@ra3975]

I'm glad someone sees how bad feral druid rune is. All other creators trying to say feral will be so good , not sure what they are smoking. Back to praying to Rngeezus for damage.

[@user-zn5cp4rl5h]

It could be for the head enchant ...

[@janhst97]

@@user-zn5cp4rl5hwow nice, so all classes going to be amazing and fun and ferals had to shapeshifting enemies dead?

[@typoko]

Priests got 2 mana regen runes and we still have mana issues when healing because tanks are not actually reducing damage they take. No one in their right mind is going to be casting smite.

[@austinstar1100]

People will but only when we killing bosses fast

[@Giliver]

Our mana is fine I'm not sure what you're on about? The only fight I even get close to being low is the last boss in Gnomer.

[@arjana3862]

@@Giliver Last boss? Mechatorque is a joke now a days, only boss that runs into issues is menagerie since my dps players want to cleave the bosses and tank infinite of the aoe fire from the dragon % based abbility*(that splashes to other bosses if you tank them together)

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@arjana3862 Depends on the group, if multiple raid members just take bombs in the face, your mana will naturally suffer more. But in good/ideal scenarios, priest mana is TOTALLY fine. When your group sucks, it is obviously not good... but that's logical.

[@a7x16pruitt]

@@Giliverthat’s only because fights are quick. As fights get longer mana will absolutely be an issue since most of our healing is from runes and runes scale % mana cost

[@pegazuss5]

Where can I order some wheel for my chair for my ret ?

[@H-D-D]

They are on back order.

[@jivkokostov174]

Where is the rune of pre-clear speed record

[@Fruza123]

I would assume Mental dexterity will get nerfed hearing this. Crazy buff for enh

[@H-D-D]

ThEy nEeD iT

[@zacharyklewin3603]

I'm hyped as fuck for catlike relexes just for the flanking strike cd reduction. I think it'll be huge how much less (if ever) you'll need to press wing clip for procs and rs resets

[@SyntakTV]

you're overestimating the value of the cd reduction. According to logs i cast about 4-5 flanking strikes per minute which is an average cd of 12-15 seconds already. If anything it will just be bad luck protection but you will definitely still be wing clipping a lot

[@calendaris-pz5tz]

@@SyntakTV why wing clip?

[@SyntakTV]

@@calendaris-pz5tz triggers windfury

[@calendaris-pz5tz]

@@SyntakTV Gotcha, but since raptor strike is 3 sec cd probably u guys don't use carve

[@plasticbudgie]

By shot, does Scatter Shot count lol ?

[@sayamacd]

Simonize said that even with 100% crit, the off hand proc rune is still better.

[@ewweg]

Conflag every 10 sec is about 65 dps loss and the 30% haste is about 90 dps increase so a total of 30 dps increase.

[@CrixGuides]

Conflag build is 100-150 DPS higher than the non conflag build

[@ewweg]

​@@CrixGuides Thats awsome! But how did u get to that number, with the updated sim im still only getting 36 dps? If i add just flat 30% haste i get 145 dps, does it not consume immolate or something?

[@increasegas2221]

if the curse pet does damage AND raid doesn't need the curses it will still likely beat out the shitty pain and suffering rune (assuming it gets changed to mindblast) rank A is WAYYYY TO GENEROUS

[@Defme374]

Actually glad the feral dps rune is so bad, improved bark skin is so good as a support skill I think it should be a necessary role for all druids

[@boalollal242]

You misread the very first rune Taste for Blood;>

[@fanofcodd]

So hunters basically get one single rune this phase

[@johanlahti84]

wonder if lavalash is dead in favour of Lava Burst with the spelldmg from mental dex

[@Thesoulofalion]

Not really as then you would also need to use Power Surge to make it proc, and its not worth it. Even with all the spelldmg it would not feel good

[@johanlahti84]

@@Thesoulofalion you would get maelstrom procs to use the Lava Bursts with. not Power Surge, but yeah it is probably a long shot that it would be better :D

[@Thesoulofalion]

@@johanlahti84 oh right, but still I think there is some synergy missing + you would lose CL altogether...

[@johanlahti84]

@@Thesoulofalion could still CL on more than one target

[@SamyTrev]

You missed the “rune of pre-clear” it drops from the nullifiers

[@bigbossadidoss8678]

Oof lmao, he’s paying for that pre clear so badly

[@badwolfxd3593]

Savage. 💯

[@bigbassjonz]

What's the big deal if they're still within spec for the run?

[@JBar-yy1cy]

Mad about speedrun numbers when the raid met the reqs go outside lmao

[@bigbossadidoss8678]

@@JBar-yy1cy I mean, I think they’re all misdirected anyway. They should be mad pre clearing is allowed, raid should start when all 10 players engage a mob in combat, and is invalidated if the first mob is killed without all players being in combat.

[@armandovercouteren7638]

Warlock sl is stil bis but only with haunt and no metha anymore

[@marcogoncalves3207]

As a ranged hunter player, I'm playing other games for phase 3.

[@x7zauman910]

RIP Ranged Hunter 2024

[@Mcelwee22]

Ranged hunter was a lot of fun in p2 and got straight buffs, I wouldn't be so cynical

[@DazeKaze]

Ranged hunters still pump in PVP. You're like a frost mage. Lol.

[@tokopaaisen2927]

No you don’t , first you will have to farm uld to at least lvl 48. Then you will solo zf and Mara. You have to raid as melee but need on both melee and ranged gears for raid and farming purposes

[@jamesofallthings3684]

Better be other games forever because it's not getting better. Gonna stay melee.

[@peturjonsson8308]

Hurricane rune makes boomies life easier in ZF GY farming TBF

[@joshseagraves3295]

I will be disappointed if any of the druid dps runes ship as is

[@ItsSchism]

for rogue carnage rune, Just bring a feral druid. open with garrote, then rely on the druids rip for the rest of the fight.... right?

[@the_Acaman]

I think the rune states that it has to be YOUR bleeds

[@user-mg2uk9sn4w]

Rogues are back?

[@Arthur_Kayden]

We talk a lot about Shamans & mental dexterity, but perma bloodlust for WL is insane

[@Partimefelon]

Its why they got a 40% fire damage nerf

[@Giliver]

Don't druids get perma BL to?

[@wrongix6544]

Hurricane dmg is not bad... The only reason its bad is because of its 1min cd and the high manacost which both gets fixed by the rune. Still wish we got something for ST tho

[@AtrumRes]

Paladin hammer rune is weapon dps not dmg, so if a weapon has 30dps the ability will do 120 damage it is not an s tier rune lol.

[@botanicab]

Jesus ur kidding right?

[@mohammedalghamdi6633]

RIP destro Warlock, it’s time to play affliction and Demo

[@CrixGuides]

Destro will be slapping.

[@mohammedalghamdi6633]

@@CrixGuides you still think like that? 😂😂

[@CrixGuides]

@@mohammedalghamdi6633 We're ass

[@dlwmkc]

Shamans are gods and I'm here for the QQ :)

[@moonrarxgod2497]

is zul'farrak opening in phase 3

[@RatsoMan20]

They really just need to give druid bleeds crit and ad scaling same with rogue

[@janhst97]

„But they got already wf“ so anying to play :/

[@justinkoty5092]

You need to have a column for PvP and for PvE. Love the video though :)

[@Mvx85]

how warlocks is playing destro if lake of fire is dead ??? i dont get it im sure affliction will rise in phase 3 cos of dots crits+unstable affliction+rest dots

[@Mvx85]

or am i totally wrong even ive play warlock in SoD

[@jasonyankovec8541]

The rich got richer.

[@janhst97]

As always

[@oneswiftguy]

Feral DPD here... I'm about to swap to Hunter and I'm not kidding. Alliance gonna have tons of raid begging for feral because no one wants to to play a shit dps class

[@jezmarshall4062]

So you going straight to another shit class then. Hunter is in the shitter as well unless you want to be a bad warrior with a pet !!!

[@oneswiftguy]

@@jezmarshall4062 It's my Farmer and only other 40. I'm not gonna level another toon... Two is enough. At least Melee hunters above average

[@RandySnarsh]

Play boomkin then. The most broken PvP spec. All classes have weak specs.

[@soapybawlz9160]

In what world is Feral Tank "A" overall.

[@soapybawlz9160]

as a Bear I would love to have all 5 slots just function.

[@janhst97]

At least they cannot switch windfurry for the tank rune

[@lochvast1180]

I may actually grab lock n load and the explosives runes and just ignore everything else as hunter this phase 😡

[@calendaris-pz5tz]

rip ranged hunter 2024

[@preslim84]

thanks for the content. maybe lower the background music by 50% its pretty annoying for an hour especially if u speed up the vid, or just dont put it in

[@austinstar1100]

Frost mage in pvp is gonna be busted might actually be able to kill an enhans shaman :)

[@Krolot-um5dg]

i enjoy the "boost" dungeon grinds for my solo content ..good runes but honestly fuck the warding rune kinda useless regardless but iguess its free huh :D

[@bushido-z-8400]

Does anyone else get upset that their original classic 2019 server died for the empty shell of wrath. SHOUT OUT TO MY SHAZZRAH BOYZ

[@Nicholasiz]

Kind of misinformed for warrior. Staying in battle is actually a 30 dps upgrade, not a lot but still

[@mynthproject]

Next time do this in a 5 minute video I instantly left ain’t nobody got an hour free my man

[@x7zauman910]

RIP Ranged Hunter 2024

[@connorsmith2059]

rip feral druid. so depressing. they gave us wf bc they knew we would be shit haha. Im genuinely confused why they didnt design gore to simply reduce the current cd of TF by 1sec per mangle/shred u cast. the ability to get a gore proc with 3-5 seconds left on TF cd sounds like terrible design. with pshifting u could actually get TF down to a 18s cd

[@janhst97]

All classes should be op, but feral is so shitty to play.. at least we get the worst runes

[@GokuIRL]

RIP paladins (see you next season!)

[@femkriah8777]

I hate having picked Druid.

[@healthymindhappierlife5089]

Pretty harsh on the druid runes! I'm honestly kinda hyped for the druid runes, but then again I play the game for PvP and cat druid has been made of paper in phase 2

[@Spotnick2]

Vigilance useless? warrior tanks have threat issues, this should solve it.

[@troydenbrum2979]

it's the same slot as shield mastery

[@peterc2672]

People complained that shamans were useless in vanilla. Now they complain that they got buffed in SoD lol

[@chc2650]

People learned that if you complain about ANYTHING enough, it will get changed.

[@azuraquinlilax1245]

While I agree it’s quite funny They just wanted it to be useful and actually fun . But not over tuned . With that said he are getting nerfed anyway

[@fanofcodd]

​@@chc2650 I've been complaining about the abysmal damage hunter mm are doing in pve , still doesn't work

[@maxmurphy646]

if the way of earth changes are true shaman dw tanking in a tough spot though. if the dmg isnt to insane from bosses shamanistic rage wf mh might still work, but if they force us into 1h and shield even if it ends up being good its going to be boring af to play. like 40% of our dmg will just come passively from overcharge and that feels bad. Not to mention i have serious concerns for threat on single target. I really hope they just do the rb nerf and leave woe alone. rb was 100% the problem getting up to 1.5k ap at 40 is absurd. I hate that they are forcing us to play boomer spec 1h shield. So even though shaman runes are op those nerfs gutted any semblance of us doing dmg as a tank. I think what alliance players don't really see is the varriance in shaman in raids. if you ever grouped with one rocking 1h and shield through the whole of gnomeregon you will understand which is like the avg shaman player rn it's ass. no threat no dmg/threat and basically the same mitigation as dw single target.

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

blizzard completely dumpstered shaman. hope everyone is looking forward to the upcoming tank shortage because i don't think its drastic to assume that like me, a lot of people out there are going to just drop it and just go dps. first they nerfed shamanistic rage making tanking a struggle and now they anally did in both damage, threat and the ability to have fun by dual wield tanking. hope the warriors and druids are ready to take over, because this is what you wanted by extension of asking for shaman nerfs.

[@a7x16pruitt]

Oh woe is me

[@a7x16pruitt]

Oh woe is me

[@austinstar1100]

Surge of light is better than aegis i think

[@DardyGamer]

Nice vid, but IDK what they were smoking with the Taste for Blood rune for warriors... Rend is ASS... Maybe they add a book (like the ones from SM:GY to make rend not super terrible?, IDK)

[@Napster404]

And there are still some saying blizzard is favoring alliance... Horde get it all... racials, shamans with totems (and the love of bliz) amd next face will be even worse with the weap exp. Buff to all races... No one is bleeding as hard as allience human war. Right now... But its all fine if u ask aggrand...

[@oneswiftguy]

Time to reroll to horde. Sell a linen cloth to the Goblin AH to transfer whatever gold you can.

[@michaelgregory5016]

I think at this point, not even the most bias Horde players think Bliz is favoring Alliance lol

[@Napster404]

@@michaelgregory5016 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZTLq3useZeMmdUsi=T5ePllE7b7H5QaeJ Av. Horde player

[@Napster404]

@@michaelgregory5016 "Sardaco - how will p3 raid comps look" on youtube... There is the classical horde bias u asked for...

[@jslaughter95]

I mean did you all forget that they are literally allowing everyone to pick from every racial in the game soon? And how are totems any different from auras or blessings? Pick a better argument

[@calendaris-pz5tz]

Hunter speaking - So disappointed. We need defensives, not just focusing on buffing pets, screw them they are annoying. Give us defensives, Hunter is a KITE class, I would accept less dmg but more survivability with DISENGAGE instead of making us a burst class like elemental shaman. We are at a point when Warrior have charge in combat + intervene. Rogue have shadowstep + the shadowstrike from stealth. Mage blink is getting EVEN better, actually INSANE with the new wrist rune. *Teleports back to where you last cast Blink from and resets the cooldown on Blink.* - While Ranged hunters get rune on wrist that do 10% more dmg on traps -.- So now explosive trap instead of doing 100 dmg will do 110 dmg, wow, what a rune. If Mage blink is getting even better, why not make a wrist rune for hunters to have ATLEAST WOTLK VERSION of DISENGAGE, I feel like blizzard is trolling us with TNT. Compare Rapid Killing with Deep Freeze, Mage get one of the best ability ever, while hunter gets a rune that was on TBC talent point tree that nobody was using points on it, completely useless.

[@zdubzz1280]

Ya it’s in a pretty pathetic state right now. I’m not sure why they are so afraid of giving hunters a defensive or a movement ability when they were always meant to be the most mobile class. We needed wotlk disengage or deterrence.

[@Hifcrea]

Would so love to relish in a good MM spec but it’s just not happening. They really are like afraid of touching MM damage

[@calendaris-pz5tz]

@@zdubzz1280 I would accept WOTLK disengage, and stay with classic deterrence, even tho spell classes will still dominate us..

[@bobbo201]

And I'm here just wishing mortal shots worked on explosive shot lol. But yea disengage would be sweet.

[@eldenanchor8179]

Agreed 100%. I'll always love to play a hunter, but it just feels like they are afraid to get hate for giving hunters anything of value. I want abilities that feed into the agile back and forth gameplay focused more on utility and control than pure damage. And now we don't even have good damage, except for melee ofc but I'd rather play a rogue for that. Hopefully they scrap the TNT rune and maybe add other skill books or something.

[@user-ph1vx7ze7p]

They also have to change the Nameplate range up to 40m distance. What is that? They change everything except this...

[@MajidKetu]

Displacement for mage isnt S tier it needs its own Tier its just too much !

[@zdubzz1280]

Pretty disappointing as ranged hunter for pve and pvp. Wish they gave us some movement ability if they don’t want us to be a high damage class.

[@H-D-D]

Go watch Arrowii. MM does insane burst in pvp, and good cc with scatter and trap launcher.

[@austinstar1100]

Idk how divine agis is SS id say it could be s but its 30 percent of one heal every 15 seconds it is good but not SS. Riptide is way better

[@bigshirley8658]

This guy is clueless. For current warrior tank - Vigilance is easily an S tier and he made it F - tier because why? No Damage? And sword and board as A - minus? What the actual F

[@cruxe2372]

SoD is a disaster and the players are dropping like flies.

[@Naeinsengimnida]

Source : Trust me bro

[@marcianolopesjr9931]

Priests don't crit much so Divine Aegis is not that great

[@NguyenAnhVu10]

Another phase, another disappointment for Druids.

[@jamesofallthings3684]

They've ruined warrior tanks. I'm sure horde warrior tanks will be on with spirit. You just act like 10% less threat isn't a problem. Devastate is already gutted too.

[@Thesoulofalion]

Me as a shaman: All I do is win win windfury