Re-Making My NBA G.O.A.T Pyramid

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[@m4dm3th0d]

This is definitely a list worth revisiting every 3-5 years

[@jamalrobinson8321]

Yearly

[@matthewdowling6549]

@@jamalrobinson8321 Yearly is too often

[@khaitranngoc4176]

Now, this is spitting. Every 10 years there should be around 3 remakes of this.

[@yokenii6417]

for real 3 years is perfect

[@ThinkingDisorder]

3 is crazy every 4 minimum tho

[@ewbait]

Honestly, I didn't realize how high I was on Giannis until you showed me the stats in retrospect. Giannis having this much offensive and defensive pressure and efficiency in this era is insane to think about. Rightfully deserved!

[@l9ikjam]

His defense is overrated

[@user-lt1zz3zi4m]

@@l9ikjam ur one of those people who love to argue because you like disagreement😂😂😂. He is a great defender, because he is hard to shoot over and is a great help defender

[@judyclarkson5887]

@@user-lt1zz3zi4m Lol.. He's not wrong. Top tier defensive player would've tried to guard Kd especially when he's the only star left on the opponent team. Giannis let Tucker to guard him even on the last possession that would've cost his team a series against an injury-depleted Nets team. Glad that the Lady Luck was upon him that night that Kd happened not to hit a 3 or else it would be a downright embarrassment for Giannis to lose that series.

[@user-lt1zz3zi4m]

@@judyclarkson5887 everyone keeps saying that if Kd had kyrie and healthy harden he would beat giannis …. If you switched teams and gave Gianni’s a healthy harden and Kyrie he would’ve won as well. Also Giannis didn’t want to tire out offensively, that’s why he didn’t guard Kd. This worked obviously because he dropped 40 points in a game 7

[@CeIles]

@@judyclarkson5887 you wanted Giannis to guard one of the most offensively talented player of all time while also running the entire offense at the same time? Brother, not even MJ did that

[@BaoPham-bp2cg]

Jokic will definitely be added here in the next pyramid update.

[@shyjr3215]

I would say he’s tier 4 for now after his championship run

[@Anzarranza]

Giannis and jokic will be in tier 3 in the next one or two updates

[@traytyler9951]

@@Anzarranzanot tier 3 yet tier 4

[@filipgaier4908]

@@traytyler9951 definitely tier 3 at this point, if the next update is in 2 years from now, tier 3 isn't even a hot take

[@FordKids]

That was a month a few months ago before all this happens not present day remember that

[@matthewcdupre]

Might have to add Jokic to the list after this last playoff run and recent Championship 🏆 dude was unreal

[@sonny4978]

i think jokic over kawhi. 2 mvps, and his playoff run was more impressive than toronto. Also he had no all stars like kawhi did with the spurs.

[@BroOk-mh4do]

We'll see what else he can do in the next couple of years...But Jokic definitely deserves to be in the pyramid.

[@-waqsa]

@@sonny4978that’s wild tbh. maybe after another ring and if he stays as consistent as he is, he prob will overtake kawhi, but for now he just doesn’t have as much longevity as kawhi.

[@dr.kingmessanger1196]

Cut the jokes man. Joker getting catapult to the upper echelon of all time great is based off what. One year. The dude took 4 years to make a real impact in his career. He only became all star caliber for the last 5 years. Let wait for the next 3 to 5 years to unfold before we have this discussion. Not given the soft rules, handcuffing defense, analytics basketball era. Give great assistance to good offensive players today. He not only need to match Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem,Bird resume but blow them out the waters. Considerig the advantages he has

[@AgentZeroO]

Jokic is top 20 already

[@daultonredhaus6027]

The way he said "The gap between LeBron and Jordan is smaller than the gap between LeBron and everyone else." really puts it into perspective how great they both are.

[@jbailey690]

😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@sween3716]

@@jbailey690 what’s funny about that?

[@flightjam]

Kobe is in that convo with Jordan and LeBron

[@jbailey690]

@Sween Majority of players say Kareem was better?? 🤷 AI, TMac, Timmy, Shaq, Hakeem, Vince, MJ, Bird, Magic, Steph, KD, Dirk, Barkley, KG, Ray, Wade etc all take Kobe over Bron?? What ISN'T funny about that nonsense??

[@trainpushingtutorials2822]

@@flightjam jordan and mj 😭

[@Arrica101]

Luka and Jokic definitely making this list next time it's looked at. How can they not

[@brandonbrisson4455]

Yup

[@KurinKato1]

Accolades

[@biigasian]

Just give Luka time, he has a decade to perform

[@chev5451]

@@KurinKato1 2021 mvp, 2022mvp? what are these if not accolades

[@GoofyGeee]

I feel like all time russ is better than Jokic all time

[@Mattball82]

Watching this during the Finals where Jokic has 10 triple doubles in the playoffs and just went 32 21 and 10 💪

[@sesimie]

I respect this pyramid. The only player I have issues with being too low is Tim Duncan.

[@williammyers2190]

Completely agree. Seriously putting him in tier 3 is crazy. Tier 2 is more correct

[@dro2drippy781]

I swear his career accolades and accomplishments are nearly identical to Kobe

[@samcremin1486]

Eh, I feel like Hakeem and Shaq are better tbh and when you actually look at it him and KG did similar stuff at similar levels on the court for a long time so having them 2 tiers apart is just criminal.

[@dro2drippy781]

@@samcremin1486 Timmy has 5 rings 😂 Hakeem only won cause Jordan retired for 2 years if we’re being honest . Shaq never won shit without another superstar on his team

[@samcremin1486]

@@dro2drippy781Hakeem had worse teammates and Duncan never won in a year he had to deal with a dynasty either, in the 94 and 95 seasons he didn’t have a teammate selected for the all star game. If we actually break down their games Hakeem is a comparable if not better rim protector, much better perimeter defender, is a better post scorer and a similar passer. Duncan’s only advantage is his pretty significantly better longevity so if you value that highly then he has a decent argument but he’s not a full tier above Hakeem. Shaq was the better player during the three peat and he undoubtedly peaked higher, in my eyes it just didn’t work out for him in other years but he was probably the best in the world for most of his career.

[@thecoolwaffle4908]

You make some of the most well written, researched, and edited content on KZbin. Consistently Top-Tier content, I look forward to every video you drop

[@ghoull_]

nah fr

[@HelloHowsItGoin09]

Never lacks its crazy

[@paulh.9937]

@@HelloHowsItGoin09 the man's editing is some of the best I've ever seen on a basketball channel. Jimmy is the 🐐

[@IamRonaldBell]

Nah frfr, you can always tell by the opening lines it’s gone be a great video off the dribble

[@PIP...33]

@@paulh.9937 NAAAH HE BIASED AND JUST REPEATING WHAT MEDIA TOLD HIM. HE DOESNT KNOW SPORT. ANYONE WHO NOT PUT WILT NUMBER 1 AND OLAJUWON NUMBER 2 IS BLIND.

[@blakelevario6732]

luka definitely going to be on this in a few years. dude is a monster

[@swake0312]

nah he will have a james harden esque career if he doesnt fix that ego

[@ajako19]

@@swake0312 lol wtf? yall just hating lol. luka is going to be an all time great.

[@solsburyhill]

@@swake0312 if you saw how bad his team is… you would know that he’s too generous to them

[@izzy031096]

@@ajako19 Lol everybody has just seen that stupid Harden comparison and goes around parroting it. Don’t worry about people speaking this nonsense, Luka is a bonafide superstar and will win multiple rings.

[@cjtrules1]

@@izzy031096 Mavs better get their shit together then or Luka will leave to a better team. Top 30 is already crowded as we can all see. Only 9 guys up there won 1 ring or none at all so Luka will definitely need at least 2 to even be considered.

[@zackk8056]

I'd love to see a G.O.A.T Pyramid for those who never won a chip. Would make for some interesting debates. I think peak McGrady is highly underrated from that perspective.

[@Zach-eb6zk]

For me based on eye test and pure skill, prime D Rose was the greatest player to not win a chip.

[@ezxdray-jq3mh]

John Stockton

[@orod4788]

Steve Nash babyyyy let’s goooo

[@matheusfroehlich5727]

​@@Zach-eb6zknah harden, malone, iverson, hell even barkley had an better peak than drose (not to mention that a 4 year prime is pathetically sort)

[@morrisparrish76]

Teams win “a chip”; not a player! You might want to keep that in mind!

[@ballsballsballs3617]

Mad respect for kawhi being in it. If u look at numbers he has no case. But if u watched kawhi play u would know he was the only guy in the Lebron era that genuinely felt comparable in terms of changing an entire teams hope

[@kevinsyz1201]

i love seeing dirk being moved up. definitely an extremely underated player

[@kofiowusu1273]

Yeah he’s underrated but wade is definitely better

[@Snipezelite02]

I feel like Wade is definitely better but he does value peak alot

[@andreasdietzel5560]

Especially when you factor in his loyalty and not chasing superteams like almost everybody else.

[@xdadaxx1040]

Dirk is a top 3 PF of all time

[@CollinMann04]

@@kofiowusu1273 nah lmao he’s not

[@sirscribble3182]

So glad to see Jxmmy give Dr. J his flowers. He gets overlooked a lot because he played in the 70’s and early 80’s.

[@Tethloach1]

someone will always get overlooked.

[@SalKhayer]

Also, ABA records are not valued enough in the majority of these lists. Jxmy does a great job getting it put in perspective

[@Yomi4220]

Duncan not in tier two is wild lmao

[@Jiturra01]

Honestly its more like Kobe shouldn't be over Duncan, whatever tier. It's so odd, and the first thing I notice. People seem to be waking up to this recently..... not getting taken well by the LAL Fans and the casuals understandably.

[@qiaoji1675]

him and b russ should be switched

[@froyocrew]

Kobe is the single most overrated player of all time

[@jacoblee5796]

@@froyocrew Kobe is an all time great player, there is no doubt about that. But that said, Kobe is insanely overrated, he is easily the most overrated player of all time.

[@Frannccis]

​@@jacoblee5796Go cry about it

[@spurslegacy]

Man Tim Duncan…underrated by the masses. Has a near identical resume to Kobe yet constantly ranks multiple spots lower. There aren’t 9 players “GREATER” than him all time.

[@jan279]

So true, and I think that's because he wasn't as marketable as the other dudes. Spurs were the most consistent winning team in the league throughout Duncan's career.

[@KFire]

Agreed, he should definitely be in tier 2

[@spurslegacy]

@@jan279 yup exactly. Flash and self promotion influence people’s opinions on the production for some reason.

[@spurslegacy]

@@KFire facts

[@samcremin1486]

KG even more underrated, comparable to Duncan in nearly every aspect but he had terrible teammates and bad injury luck so he doesn’t even make top 10 on most lists and top 20 on some.

[@slackerofhell]

I swear you're one of very few people that can make a tier list without being attacked on where you put them.

[@yeatdagoat173]

Cuz he's very rational

[@bigsleepy9889]

Naw bro. This list was garbage as soon as I didn't see the real G.O.A.T on it.... Austin Reaves

[@csanadhorvath]

Durant on tier 3 is insane, he won rings with the greatest team ever, that won without him. Durant is on a tier with Malone and Stockton, very good player, defo top 30 of all time, but won no legit rings as far as legit rings go unfortunately.

[@evergreatest1170]

Idk man I wouldn’t put kawhi in the pyramid at all and like the guy said above KD is way too high as well

[@csanadhorvath]

Also Duncan not being on tier 2 is basketball blasphemy...

[@Peekul1]

Giannis is all time great. No one can take that finals performance away from him. The best of the best.

[@mikeoath9541]

In a couple years he will be best PF of all time, but so far Tim Duncan is the GOAT of the PFs imo.

[@PIP...33]

@@mikeoath9541 LUIS SCOLA >>> DUNCAN. FACTS ARE FACTS. U CANT SPEAK HERE TILL DUNCAN WIN AGAINST SCOLA

[@yuhhh2593]

@@mikeoath9541 for sure timmy d is the goat rn

[@MichaelM-yf5or]

hell end up tier 2 at least when its all said and done

[@yuhhh2593]

@@MichaelM-yf5or maybe. I’d say more likely he’ll end up top 10

[@ThePharcyde13]

Duncan is tier 2 , him and Kobe had similar careers and he’s on 3 while Kobe stays in 2 . They definitely both left their mark . Duncan deserves a little more love . Magic could be a little lower too imo

[@ben.tanner]

Agree. Kobe definitely overrated compared to Duncan and others. Kobe benefited more from great teammates (Shaq in particular) than a lot of the guys in the pyramid.

[@MarkHalberstram]

Swap Kobe and Timmy

[@MotoM1234]

Agree that Kobe is overrated but then when you hear the respect that other NBA players have for him even before he died makes me think I’m wrong…. Would have Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan over Kobe….

[@kaki2053]

Ain't no way Durant in the same tier as Shaq and Timmy 😂

[@jaycob1830]

It should be Dr J in that tier, not Durant

[@alexutzuRTA94]

Glad you showed Moses some love. That tier 5 placement was really sticking out

[@Major.321]

Freal he’s top 10 on score board

[@kleatise52]

Most underrated in history.

[@javigar133]

Torallt agree

[@buzz2k535]

One of the best rebounder and he got small hands i think his hand size are just as big as a 5'9 man and he's 6'10. Truly one of the greatest bigman!

[@StFigarlandGarling]

#10 all time in scoring #5 all time in rebounding 3 MVPs Finals MVP How was he only in tier 5 until now.

[@joaopedroramos4015]

can’t wait to see luka cracking this list from the ground up

[@javigar133]

Well, he has a lot of road to travel lol

[@kylemathis1562]

At the end of this season Doncic: 4x NBA All Star 4x NBA First Team Now he just needs MVPs, FMVPs, Defensive Team appearances

[@equilibrium_69]

Only misfortune can detract Luka from his path to basketball greatness. The man is a potential top 10 player all time.

[@AnkitSharma-qm7sg]

@@kylemathis1562 chips

[@YaThat.]

@@kylemathis1562 atleast 6 all nba and all star selections, atleast 1 chip, then we can consider it.

[@marianocrosetti5889]

There are some high quality content videos comparing Lebron and Jordan for the GOAT and they clearly show MJ is by far. I recommend them.

[@abrahamchavez7134]

I just found your channel today and I’m hooked!!! Your videos are goat status.

[@multimus133]

At first I was confused when DWade was demoted, trying desperately to remember any shooting guards better, as I always had Jordan 1, Kobe 2, and Wade 3, then I saw that there were only three shooting guards on the list and it all made sense.

[@randomperson2540]

Still though wade shouldn't be demoted, other than longevity which he just said he appreciated peek more, there no reason to have dirk Over wade. If the majority of people really believe dirk is better than wade, dirk is officially overrated

[@xenonite2172]

@@randomperson2540 I mean dirk lead his team to better post season success than wade did as a first option. Remember wade never came out of the first round after the 2006 finals. Add on to the fact that the 2000's western conf. Is probably the hardest conf. In nba history and that's why you'd pick dirk over wade

[@nbassasin8092]

Theres AI as well so 4, but the rest I absolutely agree with

[@Snipezelite02]

@@nbassasin8092 AI didn't make it he was just a mention

[@randomperson2540]

@@xenonite2172 but dirk had a way better team than wade, after 06 Shaq would suffer an injury and after that would leave. There was nobody on that roster other than wade he honestly had one the worse rosters in the league. People don't talk about how dirk won 67 games and got swept jn the first round and played horrible and would never make a western finals until 2011. Dirk was saved by his 2011, which even in that finals wade out performed him

[@KDemosh]

Do a pyramid for each position! This was such a cool breakdown!

[@javigar133]

That would be an interest rework, also by decades

[@theofficialfskay]

10:41

[@Mrsewercat]

@@theofficialfskay you must feel so smart he meant each position of all time...

[@samheard7849]

That SF pyramid is gonna go crazy

[@KDemosh]

@TheOfficialFSKay yes! That but a whole 30 player pyramid of all PG SG PF C and so on! I love this stuff!

[@reaurt]

Great list. I could quibble with a few placements here and there, but no major complaints. Jokic is 100% going on the list in your next update, that guy is special.

[@bobyd.c.x8028]

You re in the running for GOAT 🐐 of NBA statistics!!!! Love your work man!! You re amazing!

[@Iamcel94]

There is always one or two content creators in every category on KZbin that release infrequent but high quality videos and you are definitely one of those. I wish more creators would take after you and I think you should take a lot of pride in the videos you do, and I hope you inspire more creators to be like you in the future.

[@blacklite911]

I love those types. Unfortunately the algorithm encourages quantity more but when you grow the fan base, you shoot to the top when you release

[@Crying2Death]

Thinking basketball is amazing too! They’re the top 2 imo

[@pinobluevogel6458]

@@Crying2Death Most definitely one of the best out there. His insights are very complete and nuanced and the podcast is legit great too.

[@redteddy135]

oversimplified tho... disappears for 6 to 12 months and then releases a chart topping video

[@c.s.4505]

Great content as always, Jimmy. Seeing Iverson removed from the pyramid hurt inside. Too many greats in the top 50 now, basketball is aging in a great way. RIP Mamba.

[@gangstagummybear3432]

You have no need to take this guy's list seriously, it is irrelevant.

[@c.s.4505]

@@gangstagummybear3432 You must be fun at parties

[@poppette1978]

putting LeBron beside Jordan is an insult to NBA integrity and integrity of athletes as a whole. Doesn't matter the figures and statistics, how can a flopping cry baby drama queen be a GOAT in any sports? PLEASE

[@allzdeep9683]

Putting KD in the same tier as Curry is wild

[@carlosrees2301]

Agreed

[@amosstarkey485]

Is it? Steph is considered bottom end of the top 10 all time, KD is just outside the top 10, normally between 12th and 15th so there's really not a lot of players between them

[@SixSioux]

True. Simply because KD has shown he's not a winner and a leader. He had to join an already winning franchise to get his chips. 2023 playoffs confirm.

[@Otaku_Akuma]

@@amosstarkey485 Ok . . . so KD 12-15 let's revisit that. So in no order the top 11 should be: MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Kobe, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, Wilt, Shaq, Larry Bird, and Steph. Ok so number 12 has to be KD right . . . well no cuz I'm not putting KD over Hakeem, ok so 13 right??? wrong again if you actually look at tier 4 there are a couple of guys there most if not all people should have over KD. Dr. J, D-Wade, and Zeke Isiah Thomas was also better than KD. Which by my math means he should be at best 16th best player and I'm not about to let you disrespect the Logo Jerry West like that. Soooooo in reality KD's about the 17th best player of all time (as of us typing about this). Because Giannis isn't done, Luka's career's just starting, and who knows if Jayson Tatum/Jimmy Butler/Nikola Jokic win this year's title maybe they'll have a valid case over KD. Jokic's case in particular would be very interesting 1 title vs KD's 2 expired ring pops, Jokic's 2 MVP's vs KD's 1 MVP. But that's all conjecture so as of right now KD's the 17th best player of all time (at best).

[@stuffylamb3420]

I agree. KD's career could've easily ended the same as Harden's if he didn't join the already best team in the league.

[@mkm297]

I feel like doncic is going to crack this list soon. What he is doing in the regular season and playoffs is out of this world at such a young age

[@mikeoath9541]

Aside from All NBA 1st team selections he just doesn't have the accolades yet unfortunately. He will probably retire as tier 1 though. Potentially, we never know for sure.

[@DeeReeseBeats]

@@mikeoath9541 Yeah he's only in his 5th season I can see him getting at least 1 ring 3 or 4 at most imo

[@BIuezy]

@@mikeoath9541 Tier one is a wild statement, more like 2-3

[@ryuzaki4146]

he needs to accomplish more but he definitely has the potential to

[@jadentesai]

Hes gonna need at least 2 mvps and a championship if he wants to be on here

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

Dirk is so underrated, thanks for showing him love.

[@JayHillsTV]

He played zero defense 🤫

[@Tasos11_]

🤦 pov you're German

[@jimmylolo8108]

@@JayHillsTV Shhhh...The adults are talking.

[@JayHillsTV]

@@jimmylolo8108 🐱🤫

[@JayHillsTV]

@@jimmylolo8108 ik so 🤫🐱

[@E3N8013]

Thats to show you how great MJ is,bro played against 9players who are in the GOAT conversation from the same era and dominated all of them and the 90's. MJ is definitely the GOAT on court💯

[@KillToSurvive35]

Undervaluing 5 time NBA champ, and best power forward of all time, Tim Duncan

[@nhs8984]

I have a good feeling when we revisit this next time, Giannis will be in tier 2-3 and Doncic will be in tier 4-5

[@tine0508]

nah Giannis is just a bit high now. tier 3 3 max. even if he wins another championship. thats my opinion and i get where u are coming from

[@adriannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

@@tine0508 your opinion is ass

[@tyyy4681]

@@tine0508 how? A 2x mvp, DPOY, one of the greatest finals performances ever to win a chip in a team that never had a chance without him. And by the way, he didn’t run away to a super team.

[@its_maui_bro0457]

@@tyyy4681 curry and durant only had a super team if u talking bout bron ur out of it my bro

[@connor3885]

@@tine0508 Giannis could win mvp and dpoy every year. And bucks are looking like top 3 team in the league. 5 years from now he’s gonna have more rings and mvps and dpoy

[@Rei-bg3rf]

I think Steph will be a high tier 2 when it's all said and done. Decent tier ngl

[@ninjasaki_7231]

Tbh I rank him over bird and in the video Jimmy made, he had Steph over bird in the top 10 list so his placement is a bit odd

[@threeteeflee]

I'm not a Steph/Warriors fan but I agree.

[@ariaarulasan]

TIER 1, BETTER THAN THE PSYCHOPATH

[@judyclarkson5887]

He'll be top 5 all-time when it's all said n done I believe. But let's just wait n see I guess

[@jacobduncan9593]

@@ninjasaki_7231 He was either making a point to say that Steph is a top 10 player all time or he was just exaggerating.

[@Rauhmones]

Isaiah Thomas is so underrated. He was crushed between Magic and Bird's Era and Michael's Era and still beat all of them. Fast and ruthless, he changed the game and shaped the 90's.

[@lumpy9964]

THANK YOU!! Finally someone says it. Isaiah definitely deserves more love AMEN.

[@homerl7]

But was he a better player than those guys? Not in my book. One of the all time greats, top 50 for sure.

[@T_Law92]

Solid justification to the changes, Jimmy. The only thing that hurts is seeing AI taken off the pyramid, but it's purely subjective. I don't disagree, the man's just got so much heart! Also, I agree that Luka and Jokic will rightfully earn their spots in no time.

[@t3sh3r35]

yeah he shouldve kept ai and left kawhi out imo

[@T_Law92]

@@t3sh3r35 I thought the same thing based on personal preference. However, statistically speaking I'm not as much of a guru as Jimmy to know if it's truly a reasonable tradeoff.

[@all-caps3927]

Ye I was shocked to see Allen leave the list, it doesn't seem right to say he isnt top 30 of all time. I think a certain spurs player should be dropped 👀

[@dicap9946]

@@t3sh3r35 Kawhi is one of the most clutch players of all time! There’s a reason why he’s a 2 time champion. He plays both ends of the floor and teams cannot stop him most of the time. He has one of the highest win rates come playoffs

[@OludayoKolawole]

There’s no way AI is above Kawhi on an all-time list

[@NathanJHaug]

I can’t wait until luka is on here. Still a few years out but he has had one of those meteoric starts to a career

[@noahpagel2823]

@Nathan J Haug this vid was made before Luka’s performance against NYK. I bet he’d at least be in consideration now after that game alone. After all he’s done already, being the only 60-20-10 player in history, and everything he still has to offer, I could see Luka making this list in 3 years.

[@philwilson609]

Contemporary players are vastly superior than those from the past due to three factors: Internationalism, skill advancement and tactical sophistication. My pyramid would have Steph on tier one - he is the greatest player on the greatest dynasty of the most competitive era. On tier two you have LeBron, KD and Kawhi. Luka is on tier three and rising. One can build an epic collection of NBA greats among active players only.

[@guabagotjuice]

@@philwilson609 kawhi over bill russell wilt kareem nd shaq is INSANE 😭

[@jackstone2176]

Luka fanboys are straight up delusional. He's been in the league 5 seasons . no way is he better than any of these players.

[@chilldoc9638]

@English k

[@jayjempson5817]

Your abilities to craft these videos are astounding! I applaud your attention to editing and narration. You're worth more than 2.39 subs and should be considered tier 1 youtuber.

[@elitefrags]

lord knows if westbrook won a couple rings he’d be on here. the triple double king needs some love

[@RizkyRick]

Giannis has potential to break in to that Tier 1 and i no doubt expect to see Doncic in the pyramid next time

[@ogi618]

i mean maybe jordans first championship along with his 2nd mvp and fmvp was at 28 giannis has done the same+dpoy abd the bucks r a contender

[@futurehofer1564]

you mean Zion

[@bullykojima3232]

@@futurehofer1564 if he stays healthy . But its hard to consider zion>giannis due to their defense .

[@soysauce4223]

@@futurehofer1564 Zion hasn't proven anything yet. lol

[@syfj.]

@@futurehofer1564 zion kinda mid rn

[@andrewhous10]

I’d put Tim duncan on tier 2. Not the flashiest career but I think he’s one of the most valuable players of all time. Manu and tony aren’t hall of famers without him. A career that I wish I could’ve enjoyed more.

[@neandertalero]

Couldn’t agree more. IMHO, Duncan was most dominant than Kobe. IMHO only surpassed in terms of dominance by Russell, MJ and maybe Magic

[@hardwoodthought1213]

@@neandertalero And LBJ but yeah only 4 dudes I’d say have achieved more than Duncan

[@herrerasauro7429]

@@neandertalero Yeah, I agree. Out of all these players, maybe only Russell was as good as a leader of men as Tim Duncan while also having dominance unlocked from the first minute he stepped on the league up until the end, only a few other players achieved that, probably only Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Doctor J, MJ, Lebron, Magic and Robertson.

[@marci-anna7101]

That's my one problem with the list, I'd switch Kobe and Tim or have em both tier 3, and not sure if I would have Jokic or Kawhi I gotta sit on that one.

[@marci-anna7101]

@@neandertalero If we talking dominance, then Shaq, Wilt and Lebron, but in terms of accolades it's Lebron, MJ, Kareem, Bill and like you said maybe Magic. I'd also put Wilt here if he had 3 rings instead of 2, but that is not that case.

[@Fredkt17]

Dominique Wilkins should have gotten an honorable mention. The man had some of the greatest duels with Jordan and Bird (Tier 1 and 2)

[@ncb5347]

this list is beautiful

[@eddyfazly]

It's hard to argue with the list when Jxmy presented the stats and information too well.

[@wickedd8691]

The fact that Giannis accomplished what he did in such a short time is absolutely insane

[@hamidrezaei3862]

and he just keeps getting better every year, it's crazy...

[@markbeebe125]

One title and 2 MVPs by age 30. Hmmmm. Why don't we check in with Kareem, magic, larry, Jordan, Tim duncan, Moses Malone, I can keep going all day if you'd like. I think there might be a little bit of a recency bias here on this. I am not at all denying the greatness of giannis. I think he is absolutely phenomenal. However I think we're over hyping him a tiny bit and forgetting our NBA history. I think by the time all is said and done, there's a good chance that he'll be in the top 10 of all time. But as it stands right now, one title and two MVPs, defensive player of the year, by age 28 or 29, isn't enough to make him stand out from the rest of that crowd. But at the same time it puts him in some absolutely incredible company. But I don't think we should be gobsmacked at what he's accomplished when tons of other players have done it before him.

[@xeonbladev18]

@@markbeebe125 he just turned 28 and you checked on age 30😂😂. Just proves how crazy he is. At 27 no one accomplished more than him in the league ever other than maybe magic or Tim, Kareem. Name me players by age 27 that won a ring, fmvp, 2mvps and a DPOY which you seemed to disregard. Keep hating tho casual.

[@markbeebe125]

@@xeonbladev18 reading is fundamental buddy, maybe you should learn how to do it. And this writing thing, not exactly a strong suit of yours either. Your first sentence doesn't even make any sense, literally no sense at all. I know we live in the age where children like you have forgotten how to answer telephones and be polite and use grammar and functional life skills like that, you should try it sometime, it will make everything a lot better and a lot easier. You missed some pretty simple things, that were right there in front of you so you obviously just skipped over them or haven't learned how to read yet: "by age 28 or 29"....."before age 30". These are THINGS THAT ARE TRUE, Alex, for $400. You asked me to name people, even though I already had. And will again, check in with Bill russell, check in with Tim duncan, check in with kareem, check in with magic, check in with Larry, and yes the dpoy wasn't even a thing when some of these guys were doing it and certainly Larry Bird wasn't the best defensive player in the league, but having won MULTIPLE championships, MVPs, rookie of the Year, finals MVP etc, by the same age is pretty damn close, just because he's got one other award doesn't mean that he's suddenly lapped the field. You have the balls to call me a casual when you can't remember that guys in your own generation, have done this much less the old guys. Go look up Oscar Robertson. So yeah he doesn't have the finals MVP or the championship because he was on a horrific Cincinnati team, but he was averaging a triple double, destroying record books, winning MVPs etc. You won't find an NBA historian that thinks that Oscar isn't on at least the same plane if not above giannis. I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers, and I'm definitely sorry you took your mouth off his nuts long enough to come down from the high horse that you have no discernible reason to reside on. Just because I pointed out things that are factually true, doesn't mean that you should ignore all reading and reading comprehension and miss the point where I acknowledge his greatness. I'm not bad-mouthing him at all, I'm just pointing out that the original post use a ton of hyperbole went over hyping the guy. He's great!! but it doesn't mean that his greatness makes him suddenly so much greater than other league greats.

[@xeonbladev18]

@@markbeebe125 you got proven wrong and now wanna resort to insults😂😂. Couldn't find a single player as accomplished as Giannis at 27 like I said💀💀. Sign off casual

[@NewMojo71]

No way KD is on the same Tier as Tim Duncan, thats insane!

[@MaximusR93]

How is Duncan not tier two? He’s just as accomplished as Kobe, they are equals.

[@Jiturra01]

TD More accomplished.... But they're equals, if you factor in cultural impact. Kobe one tier too high is really why we're all wincing at this....

[@MaximusR93]

@@Jiturra01 I agree, I think dude is a Celtics fan because he moved Russell and Bird to Tier 2, I also don’t think either are better than Duncan.

[@mruberlicious2853]

As a long time bucks fan it makes me so proud to see Giannis up there with the greats

[@gabrieldodds9081]

i'd put him in tier 3

[@nanashi7779]

@@gabrieldodds9081 As someone who loves Giannis, not yet. But mark my words, he'll get there by the end of his career, tier 3 at least.

[@javigar133]

And well deserved! He is knockong on the Next tier as we speak

[@-paul]

I just love how MJ gets the goat spot without the need for any extra information that other players seem to require to justify their positions on the pyramid.

[@dmjdebruin]

LeBron get this T1 spot without any extra information other then he is talked about most on social media by fanboys after proclaiming himself the goat. But if you want an extensive comparison between the two explaining also why jordan is the goat look at below video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp2WnoVsmtR4l5o

[@Vlad_32]

I think that is a problem tbh 🤨

[@Tonm077]

Information already presented in the original list and num has changed to touch him so

[@pigs6486]

@@Vlad_32 then your brain doesn't work

[@fbistatmajor5918]

@@pigs6486 Kareem is better than MJ he just didn't bring flair to the game and market it as well which is why he's overlooked so much

[@lawpenner]

Glad to see Larry Bird moved up to tier 2. Bird I think had the greatest basketball IQ of all time

[@quirinogarza7381]

Lebron just airballed another free throw the other day 😆 😳 😂 🤣 LMAO

[@johnnwith2ns464]

you have 0 ball knowledge go watch american football

[@quirinogarza7381]

@@johnnwith2ns464 Are you saying it's not true??

[@johnnwith2ns464]

@@quirinogarza7381 no im saying that it doesnt matter. lol

[@quirinogarza7381]

@johnnwith2ns464 It DOES matter he looks like a fool and people are still steady trying to put him in GOAT conversation...

[@johnnwith2ns464]

@@quirinogarza7381 so does his other 38,652 points not count then. idiot lmao

[@TheoryofSend]

Dude this video is straight up fire. Jimmy's story telling voice is just built different plus the way he thinks through this stuff makes these videos so interesting to watch. Keep doing what your doing man.

[@gavinharris4690]

I once was terrible at basketball and basically has known nothing of the game except the goat is MJ and a few players names. About 3 years ago I started watching Jimmy and I know have so much knowledge of the game and have fallen in love with it. I have also become quite good at playing basketball and have even made my school basketball team! Thank you Jimmy so so much for helping me fall into a game I had no idea about! You're one of my favorite youtubers so keep up the Outstanding Work!!!!

[@doryembrandingmarketingven3923]

Same here. Exactly the same trajectory.

[@thedargon6899]

Same here. Except I thought Lebron was the goat… And he is 👑 but mj is a good answer too yeah

[@TheBabyTort]

@@thedargon6899 I thought so too but man imagine if MJ played as many seasons as Bron bro would have the most cracked numbers even better more chips etc. if he was in the modern nba he would get way more DPOY because permittee defense is a lot more valuable in this age of basketball. Even without those years he still has a better resume. I wish it was bron but it never will be 💀

[@dreamchaser1419]

@@TheBabyTortI question a lot of you guys basketball knowledge lol. Like obviously dude. That's like saying "if you stand in cold weather too long, you'll get cold". Ofc if he played longer shit would look different. That's what make bron argument unique and significant is that he has been this good for this long

[@mikmaks7393]

@@dreamchaser1419 True. Those if's don't count. It's only facts that does.

[@MickeyMouse-lm6zj]

the greatest of all time is whoever is the most valuable in my opinion some people don't have as much talent or good stats but can influence games in a direction where their team wins

[@frewtlewps1152]

Tier 1 - The GOAT: Michael Jordan Tier 2 - Leaders of the Record Books: Kareem Abdul Jabbar, LeBron James, Wilt Chamberlain, and Bill Russell Tier 3 - Best of their Era: Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O’Neal, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, and Stephen Curry Tier 4 - Decade Defining Players: Hakeem Olajuwon, Oscar Robertson, Kevin Durant, Julius Erving, Nikola Jokic, Moses Malone, Kevin Garnett, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and Dirk Nowitzki Tier 5 - All Time Greats: Jerry West, Isiah Thomas, Dwayne Wade, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Elgin Baylor, Charles Barkley, John Havlicek, Kawhi Leonard, and Scottie Pippen

[@BigBrain-]

Can’t wait for Luka to get on here. See y’all in 3 years

[@vanguardas9927]

fatboy won't make tier5...he's james harden 2.0

[@dj-lk2uh]

@@vanguardas9927 wait he wins a ring

[@pi_za8214]

bro its too early in his career, yall nedda wait a sec, when all is siad and done he will for sure, but rn? no hes not there yet, and he wont be there in 3 years

[@vanguardas9927]

@@dj-lk2uh he won't unless he joins a superteam...he's literally harden except he doesn't choke in the playoffs and is fat af...luka is gassed by the 3rd quarter in every game he plays in

[@Strutz3E]

Luka won’t get on even if he starts averaging 35 simply because this list is so elite with so much hardware to back it up. Luka is great but it’s too premature to try and say he’s an all time great

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

I agree, good changes! Wonderful list! Will be fun in a few years with Jokic, Giannis and Luka! Jokic and Luka will surely make the list and not as tier 5 😶

[@RY-gy1md]

Lukas gonna be on tier 1

[@LeonEdwardsGoat]

@@RY-gy1md bro dallas isnt winning a chip

[@toshirohitsugaya857]

@@LeonEdwardsGoat Who says in 5 years he will be in Dallas?

[@maliprince8703]

@@RY-gy1md relax fam

[@allaboutthemurzic]

The list is a joke wilt is in tier 3

[@robinrybar7200]

Man russ is just so underrated, yea his individuality was not made for playoffs but his regular season stats in his prime years, man he averaged a freakin tripledouble like for 5 years

[@filthyfos7578]

Shaq deadass thought he was better than Lebron and TD💀💀💀

[@abaddonthelordofavernus.4353]

And Hakeem 💀💀💀

[@nattalete]

R.I.P. to Kobe Bryant and Bill Russell, who have both passed away since Jxmy's first G.O.A.T. pyramid video.

[@CurtisRichie88]

Ain't no way Ive been watching this man for 3 years, WHERE TF DID THE TIME GO 🤧🤯

[@dozhadeville444]

We wasted it watchin videos

[@JohnDoe-nz6zr]

Jordan & Kobe are the real goats it’s so sad ppl just forget about Kobe.

[@manny4552]

John havlicek is really underrated these days he was a beast a perpetual steam roller..never tired with mad skills

[@Matt-dp7ze]

9:15 crazy how this 3.5 year span is a guaranteed Hall of Fame spot for any NBA player.

[@dreamchaser1419]

To be fair olajuwon 1994 season is a guaranteed hof. Champ, FMvp, Mvp, Dpoy, All NBA teams.

[@Ja.Morant]

The fact that Jokic missed out on the top NBA 75 list and is now about to join a few guys in being a back to back to back MVP is WILD.

[@georgiosyiannakou5537]

At the time when they selected the top 75, Jokic only had one regular season MVP and one appearance in Conference finals. So it was kind of a correct decision.

[@ClassicFeta]

I expect AD to be ejected from that 75

[@batopopadic1071]

@@georgiosyiannakou5537 i mean, mvp is kind of a big thing. There werent that many players who got it 🤷🏽‍♂️ But anyway, still didn't deserve it back then, but now he coming into the better part of those 75 😶

[@sportbrawl480]

@@batopopadic1071 if it’s like that then D rose would be there or Westbrook, winning fmvp gives you a bigger boost than winning a regular season mvp

[@bysonchi]

@@batopopadic1071 MVP is a joke, more like a popularity contest by writers and commentators, than what it was truly supposed to represent. How else do we explain why MJ had only 6, and Lebron only 4.

[@MC326_]

Jokic needs to be on tier 5 easily after the 2023 ring

[@0509brook]

Kidd, Yao Ming and Doncic have a special place in my heart but I like your ranking. Great job!

[@cedomirdzunic5194]

Thank you for recognizing Nikola Jokic once again! If he was on a different, more ambitious team he would definitely be climbing this pyramid more quickly

[@Gpsrater5]

Joker overrated

[@Vista.highlights]

@@Gpsrater5 L

[@pfanzers]

@@Gpsrater5 a big man doing things we never seen and you wanna have some dumbass comment like that.

[@locococopocoqoco8555]

@@Gpsrater5 Not as overrated as DRose.

[@gerry5786]

Kevin Garnett is the most underrated player in the league in my opinion. So happy to see Dirk and Him moved up to tier 4. Drik's success is granted. KG's not so much. Great to see him getting some shine here.

[@bandjolyn]

As a Mavs fan, I agree wholeheartedly. Especially now that Dirk is a tier above D Wade lol.

[@duartemalafaya6251]

I actually believe Garnett should be in the same tier as d wade, I would pick wade anytime

[@javigar133]

Kg belongs in the pyramid, but not higher than IT or Stockton, and possibly Wade. That's muy opinion

[@jasonl1184]

KG underachieved, like that one Celtics title with Allen and pierce saved all their careers and is the reason doc is still coaching. How tf can u only win one title with that roster.

[@pinobluevogel6458]

Advanced stats and tracking show Garnett as one of the most elite players on both ends of the floor. He was a one man army and had a huge impact in the games he played. Too bad his career was cut short by injuries. I think he should be one tier higher on the pyramid, maybe even two.

[@shanedunn8932]

As great as Giannis is, the magnitude of just how good he sometimes is lost because 1. he doesnt have multiple rings and 2. Talent parity among teams is the greatest ive seen in all my life. But when you bring up those accomplishments, it's impossible to forget anymore.

[@milktea2422]

As others mentioned, i think this should be revisited every so often. I think every 3-4 years is a good choice. -I mean just look at how Giannis, and Jokic broke out to become two Great players. Kawhi had a legacy defining run a year after he made this list. Not much besides a potential break out star really happens each year. -but in 3-4 years maybe a new dynasty was formed after one fell, a new dominant player has come out and started putting up amazing numbers. So yeah I think every 3-4 years is perfect. 10 years is way too long. A whole dynasty will have come up and fallen in that time, maybe even 2 dynasties.

[@jjp381]

I love the content you put out bro, Bron and MJ fan at heart and I can’t hardly ever dispute your opinion. I just have to point out that Magic and Bird were drafted in the 70s but that portion of eras was wild when you consider the depth of skill in the 80s. Love the channel

[@rlmalonzo1184]

I've never thought I see a day in the internet that a certain person are both MJ and LeBron fan. Thanksl you for this, breathe of fresh air lol Coz most of their fanbase just spent their debate yelling at each other

[@thefourthquarter7429]

Yeah, the two GOATS. They were / are amazing to watch. Somebody made a comment that applies perfectly to these two: "Aliens doing alien sh!$t"

[@jbailey690]

@@thefourthquarter7429 😂😂😂

[@senpaijeezus1907]

I think Duncan would have been tier 2 if they hadn't lost to Miami during 2013 or 2014. He would have been 6-0 in the finals

[@yc99official95]

if i put everything into consideration, skillset, accomplishments, stats, sustained excellence, and influence/impact, it would be hard for me to decide who's the #1 GOAT, but if we used conventional ways, i could make a case for duncan being the #1 GOAT

[@Ericrawnsley]

Jokic is going to keep working his way higher up this list.🎉

[@user-wu5fz7pe9h]

Kd getting the respect he deserve from a nba goat analyst. Love Jimmy ❤️🐐💯

[@dustinstewart3771]

I can’t be the only one just waiting the whole video for this man to add Giannis to the pyramid

[@xanderc1225]

Fr I knew he couldn’t leave him off

[@3AsianBoi]

Tim Duncan deserves Tier 2... Played in every era & showed he can play in modern era

[@chinonycc]

Without a doubt. Also dirk over d wade is a lil crazy.

[@LookingForAName...]

@@chinonycc Dirk is absolutely a tier above D Wade

[@electric_outpost7380]

@@LookingForAName... no😭😭😭

[@bosslax3162]

Lol

[@bathtubtoast9181]

@@LookingForAName...eh I’d say there pretty close

[@republikadugave420]

Great list...agree with all changes

[@ebarshin]

Jimmy has to be kicking himself for not including the Joker in this one. Dude looks like he will up in tier 3 or above once his career is over.

[@samuelvoas2861]

D-wade and Isaiah Thomas both have a strong argument to be above Kevin Garnet. I know tier two is already looking crowded but it feels weird not having Timmy up there. Man, I never get tired of the nba GOATs conversation.

[@BravestOfTheBrave]

Timmy should be in tier 2 instead of bird

[@tqmper7153]

@@BravestOfTheBrave they both should be there

[@UncleSmokeKing]

I agree. Bird and Magic should always be same tier, but Kobe, Shaq and Duncan I think should always be paired together as well.

[@Lregofins34]

@@BravestOfTheBrave definitely!

[@tonycarter1317]

Giannis to me is the 2nd best PF of all time… Not to discredit Dirk, KG, and Karl-but what Giannis has done at such a young age is incredible

[@ajodbeats]

If Karl would of took some of those mj rings we would be looking at this waaaaay different 🤫

[@freaknature1774]

Imo Giannis is already the greatest PF and if he isnt he’s about to surpass Dirk

[@tubster4649]

@@freaknature1774 no

[@ryboi1337]

@@tubster4649 yes

[@Amleto.]

@@freaknature1774 Tim Duncan literally exists

[@playnatethegreat]

Wemby makes it to the pyramid very soon. In 5 years the NBA world and history will be totally changed.

[@dr.stormsgames672]

Well rounded video we gon need an update tho

[@SidelineFilmz]

Nice work, Jxmy. Even though it will be a few years, I am heavily intrigued to see the next edition of this GOAT pyramid. Will Jokic win a ring and make it? How far does Giannis ascend after the next few years? Could a fifth ring for Steph put him in tier 2? Great video!

[@JAYJ_17]

I agree can’t wait but honestly a 5th ring for Steph puts him in tier 1

[@judyclarkson5887]

@@JAYJ_17 Nah mate,, tier 2. He'll get to that tier 1 if somehow he manages to win 2 or 3 more rings (which is crazy to even think about considering he'll postpone so many young and upcoming players their maiden title if that really happens in the future).

[@Tofuey]

Good list except for Tim Duncan not being tier 2. 5 chips and 2 mvps 3 FMVPs and 13 all nba and all defensive appearances is crazy. Especially since you have Kobe in tier 2 when Duncan has more everything except all star game appearances while they both played in the same era.

[@jackstone2176]

He also played with three HoF players and a GOAT coach.

[@coolmatthew213]

Jokic if you revisit the pyramid as of now since he won his first ring and unanimously won finals MVP, I can see him in tier 4. In my opinion for the greatest center of all time, I feel like he's above both David Robinson and Moses Malone or maybe Hakeem. If that's case if Jokic is greater than Hakeem, then Jokic is in tier 3. It's my take but obviously we should wait as he goes later in his career

[@Blakey500]

Can you make a new goat pyramid? Please this was so entertaining

[@Okok30308]

So glad kawhi got added. his 2019 run with the raptors was one of the most impressive performances I’ve ever seen, aswell as his overall defensive ability throughout his career. A quiet killer

[@irjake]

I agree with his addition now, but with his injury history I expect him to be surpassed and drop off in the next pyramid in 5 years.

[@cuylerpenrod1031]

@@irjake yep, his load management is gonna end up hurting his legacy unfortunately

[@adil8701]

Especially when you know he played the finals and part of the playoffs injured

[@trikk9964]

... ehhh...

[@Outwardpd]

Just imagining what Kawhi's legacy could've been if he hadn't wasted his talent going to the Clipper is going to be one of the biggest 'what ifs' ever.

[@zachisawesome52]

I think Tim Duncan could possibly be a tier higher but overall pretty spot on I would say

[@hirokeo]

Duncan always get disrespected because his game was boring. he's top 5 all time imo.

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@hirokeo facts

[@ivan24zg]

Giannis 2 tiers above Jokic? LMAO.

[@yeetersonpeeterson5542]

11:07 we done with the 90s tho😂

[@jamaljackson3496]

You hit Giannis on the head! When I tell people that I feel like he is already one of the greatest players to ever play already, I get looked at like I’m crazy.

[@mateuszsyrzycki6814]

Giannis have potential to be goat. Is mutant. Just let's see how his prime will looks like

[@rafaelisslaam1894]

nah hes just on a great team, players like harden getting disrespected, he should be on this list over Giannis.

[@spades4602]

@@rafaelisslaam1894 no💀Hardan has 0 rings and only 1 MVP accolades wise Giannis has more lmao and on arguably not as good as hardan had when he was on the nets and rockets

[@rafaelisslaam1894]

@@spades4602 harden dent have ring cuz his team got injured so we aint holding that against him. N also the year Giannis won., nets n harden got injured or harden would have his ring n Giannis wouldn't so be fair n keep everything in mind. N I agree with ur last statement where u said prime harden was better then Giannis. Giannis isnt hard to guard, he drops points cuz if the team around him.

[@jim8261]

@@rafaelisslaam1894 Terrible take. How can you not laugh at yourself saying that Harden is better than Giannis as a player.

[@craigecampbell814]

I don't even look at other basketball videos anymore. When it comes to basketball research, commentary, statistics and video editing, you are the GOOAT. Keep up the great work

[@Crying2Death]

Check out Thinking Basketball for some quality, well researched content! Not as high of a production value I’d say but he definitely is just as critical and in depth!

[@equilibrium_69]

Search for Clayton Crowley's channel. Has some really good takes on basketball history that feels chill but authoritative.

[@R3tr0Burd]

Tim Duncan stay gettin disrespected. He's arguably in the goat conversation, and people still won't give him his props.

[@mylesbennetcoronadyson6929]

This pyramid just feels right. It passes the eye test. If we take this pyramid as fact there is just something that seems so on point with it.

[@willwright5552]

This is one of the most accurate goat rankings I've seen in a long time. The video as a whole was amazing, love the work put into this.👍 However, in my opinion Tim Duncan should be put on tier two *Five rings *Three finals MVPs *Two MVPs *Fifteen time All-NBA *Fifteen time All-defence *ROY *Played nineteen seasons *Brought his team to the playoffs each year This is comparable to many players on the tier above. He was one Ray Allen shot away from being top three all time. In my opinion he has already surpassed Kobe, Bird, and Bill on the all time ranking. The difference between them isn't that noticeable though. Some people put him down though because he doesn't 'look' dominant or he had too much help. All great players need All-star help, look at anyone in the top 12 they all needed good teammates. Some players have brought bad teams to the playoffs but not many have won championships like that. Sorry for making this long but I hope people start ranking Timmy a bit higher. Somewhere around Magic and Kobe.

[@natedy966]

Good point

[@sosachamberlain8665]

He was a Lebron away from that ring… who put them there and hit the 3 pointer right b4 ray?

[@nomesobrenome8539]

Totally agree, some ppl say his peak wasn’t that good, but look at 03 Duncan, the guy beat a team with 2 top 5 in mvp voting (Kobe and Shaq), while his best teammate was Tony Parker who was on his 2nd year in the league and scored 15 pts

[@letstalkbasketball727]

@@sosachamberlain8665 wouldn’t matter if Ray Allen didn’t make that 3

[@sosachamberlain8665]

@@letstalkbasketball727 Wouldn’t matter if Bron didn’t get them there