REACTING to * Across the Spider-Verse* A MASTERPIECE??!! (First Time Watching) Animator Reacts

[@whitenoisereacts]

What Spider-man do you want to see next movie?

[@hybridvenom9]

Whatever the fan made one is called

[@DanGamingFan2406]

The Toby McGuire Trilogy, please.

[@dragoroyalephoenixyznova602]

@@DanGamingFan2406YES THE TOBEY Trilogy 🕸️🕷️❤️💙🖤

[@hybridvenom9]

And i did rewatch murder drones great show i would recommend it but episode 6 oh god i don't wanna actually save anything about it because oh god it's dark

[@ComicPhreak]

Captain Universe Spider-Man aka Cosmic Spidey.

[@wuttatota148]

Miguel was not trying to eat that vulture at the start. His fangs have paralyzing venom, so i guess he was trying to immobilize him. He's honestly so cool

[@TheHeroClass]

Yes! Thank you for commenting this! It's his "other Spider-Man" ability, not dissimilar to how Miles has electric and invisibility powers.

[@ihateanatomy2169]

@@TheHeroClass I find it funny how people like to make fun of Miguel because he’s “less of a Spider-Man” bc of his lack of spider sense and “stickiness” and they even point it out in the movie as well, but Miles has electric abilities and invisibility as his natural power. Kinda interesting how the ones that are not like other spider-men are opposing one another

[@johnfredericks4376]

I was going to make the exact same comment

[@kwenasepuru4604]

​@@ihateanatomy2169Also technically speaking Miguel is more of a Spider than any of the regular Spider people. His DNA got spliced so his literally 50% Spider and 50% Human. The other just have a mutation from the spider bite which altered their physiology.

[@Otisboy121]

Powers and costume wise, yes.

[@aubryellaotero1064]

You guys figuring out Miles is an anomaly so fast made my jaw drop lmfao

[@Strrudel]

sameeee i was flabbergasted

[@BluEx22329]

Saw it in theaters

[@kobeef7114]

Exactly what I came here to see

[@markymarksenior]

@@BluEx22329 or some people are smarter than you

[@marctwersky9844]

i went in the comments immediately looking to agree

[@MH-hv1gf]

I love the touch of Prowler Miles sounding more hispanic because he was raised more by his mom

[@GeneralZodFDNY77]

Being half black and half Puerto Rican, I caught that (Shit, I'm basically Miles). That was a great touch.

[@FunkatronicGeek]

I think Miguel went from a Hispanic to Irish accent at times

[@TheJerbol]

@@FunkatronicGeek Irish?!?!? When lol

[@TheJerbol]

@@FunkatronicGeek Ohhh I got confused and thought you were talking about Miles

[@TheJerbol]

@@FunkatronicGeek I think that's mostly the last line where he says, 'I have to be the _one to do it_ .' The pronunciation on _one_ kinda comes off Irish but more like a heavy Mexican accent imo. Still off from his typical speech for sure

[@LorenaSHuang]

Fun fact: When Gwen returns to her world and her father walks into her room, she shoots the penguin stuffed aanimal. The penguin stuffed animal is a reference to Gwen from another universe who is a penguin, and is known as Spider-Guin. She exist in the universe of Peter Porker.

[@softsounds8453]

I really hope we get to see Meows Morales eventually 😭

[@Arumia13]

@@softsounds8453there’s the cat Spider-Man in this and the miles moralis game

[@salmankhan2739]

its also a reference to Penguin, the Batman villain.

[@jahnoyawalker4227]

@@salmankhan2739it’s not

[@dylancole1910]

@@salmankhan2739that’s DC, it can’t be.

[@Cybershroom]

One thing I missed on my first watch is that since Gwen's father chose to quit being captain, the canon is broken, but since nothing happens to that dimension, maybe if a canon changes without outside interference it doesn't count? Surely there has to be a loop hole of some kind.

[@byjordanluke2687]

I think we are very much going to learn in the next film that the canon is a lie/manipulation of the truth.

[@AM-dd6dx]

Yeah, we're learning this from Miguel's pov and his thoughts on the multiverse, but it's clear he's wrong@@byjordanluke2687

[@alarrim29574]

Wouldn’t mayday also be a anomaly/cannon break cuz the only reason he had him was because of what he went through with miles in the first? I just see so much inconsistency that leads me to think miles is gonna break cannon, save dad, and not destroy his dimension

[@haarisbutt2075]

​@@alarrim29574the most logical conclusion is that if somebody in their own universe changes the Canon, nothing happens, even if its because of an outside influence (Peter B had Mayday because of Miles, Gwen had to tell her dad her identity because of the anomaly Vulture). Miguel is trying to stop Miles from saving his dad even though Miles is only going to be effecting his own universe and no one else's. Maybe if he never found out about his dad dying he would have died anyways, but the outside influence of the Spiderverse gave him the knowledge to prevent it. My theory anyways

[@Atlasss97]

​@@alarrim29574probably not - it's a bit complicated but bcs of Kingpin, Miles universe was messed with around canon events, including brining all those spidey ppl. They returned to their own after. Returning w the knowledge I guess doesn't matter unless you interfere with the Canon event. And actually I don't think Peter B did know any of that. Plus it may have been possible most of the key Canon events from his own life had happened.

[@DiogoChris]

For Hobie, he was purposely animated differently and inconsistently to match his anarchist and punk ideology. Hobie is one of my favourites actually because of his personality. He may come off pretentious at first but it's just a front. He puts it up and it makes it so people don't take him too seriously. But no one expects his behind-the-scenes actions until he's done and moves on. We see him collecting parts of machines in Spider Society HQ. On the surface, he looks like he's just doing whatever just because he likes breaking rules, but he had a plan the whole time. He was making the multiverse watch he gave Gwen. And he did it all right under Miguel's nose, which is truly impressive since Miguel monitors EVERYBODY and everything. He was also rooting for Miles the entire time as well.

[@jm329]

I didn’t really care that much about him.

[@ViniciusIth]

Hobbie is awesome, in the beggining you can see him stealing pieces to make the watch.

[@phud69]

​@@jm329Don't really understand the point of this comment

[@jm329]

@@phud69 Providing a dissenting opinion.

[@DiogoChris]

@@jm329 That's alright. He's easy to miss/disregard. I know coz I did that on my first watch. But on my second and subsequent watches, I saw his massive relevance as a character. He was very instrumental to driving the plot forward: Exhibit A: Showing Miles how to escape the pod thing with his palms Exhibit B: Predicting that Gwen might side with Miles later, and thus be sent back to her dimension. In light of this, making a watch for her, delivering it to her dad. Same watch that'll be used to rescue Miles from Earth-42.

[@jean-philippedoyon9904]

Spider-Punk has maybe 5 minutes in the entire movie...and by his entire actions and few sentence as more impact and character development than most character have in an entire movie ! The storytelling of this movie and character building is god tier !!

[@cirrusB612]

I actually remember someone saying that in Hobie’s official art he has ladder-style laces on his boots, and that’s a secret punk way to express your beliefs. His laces are blue, which means he killed a police officer. This most likely refers to his canon event, but whether he actually killed a police officer or blames himself for said police officer’s death is up in the air. It’s such a tiny detail, but MAN does it give insight into “eh? what of it?”

[@tayab492]

Not to be biased here because I'm Indian, but.. Pavitr is HARD with his web action!! I love how he uses his bangle as a yo-yo for his web slinging/swinging! It feels good to have representation in this movie! ✨

[@DiogoChris]

You're most definitely not biased AT ALL. Pavitr is freaking sick!! I was so entranced by his movements. I've rewatched this movie a dozen times and I can never resist the urge to replay his part during the rescue in Mumbattan over and over again. His movements are like an epic dance, and it's so enchanting to watch. Good on the animators, writers, and everyone that worked on the movie.

[@tayab492]

@@DiogoChris I rewatched the mumbattan sceneS SO many times and I always replay Pavitr's web slinging part when he saves the group of people Miles let go, his moves are so CLEAN!! I agree, the animators knew what they were doing with not just Pavitr, but with all of them working as a team! The way Pavitr was created stayed true to Indian culture which I liked and it didn't feel generic, plus it was nice to hear Karan Soni from Deadpool voicing him! I do hope we see him more in action in the next movie!

[@waiting4gta673]

not even biased, he is definitely rad asf 💯 unfortunately Hobie “was this cool the whole time” 😮‍💨😂

[@nahuel3433]

Her dad did knowingly point at her with a gun. Even after he knew it was his daughter he still pointed a gun at her. I'd say he has quite the right to be pissed when your dad is threatening to kill you out of a dogmatic duty rather than try to hear you out.

[@dave_the_slick8584]

Was he supposed to believe she was unarmed? How is he supposed to know?

[@nahuel3433]

@@dave_the_slick8584 A yes, spiderwoman, known all around for packing heat wherever she goes. Also the raised hands might have been a clue. And the fact she is his daughter.

[@dave_the_slick8584]

@@nahuel3433 And for webs. Which why should he simply believe she's "out"? Nobody knows how the Spiders work, she easily could've been lying. Which she already was doing. So again, he simply should've believed her? For what? He has no true reason to right here.

[@nahuel3433]

@@dave_the_slick8584 Because she is his daughter! Do you seriously threaten the life of your family members if you find out they have a secret? Literally all he is going with is his prejudice against spider woman, and when he finds out he might be wrong he decides to threaten his daughter's life.

[@dave_the_slick8584]

@@nahuel3433 So? She hasn't said or done anything to challenge his "prejudice" and actually let it fester by not telling the truth. Family is NOT a shield.

[@JacobFors]

miles isnt shackled by his uncles words. he didnt get "with great power" etc, he go keep doing you keep moving foward. Hes the only spiderman no stuck trying to fix the past.

[@flarecoils1573]

While I can understand people taking Miguel's side somewhat, it feels like everyone assumes he knows exactly what's going to happen when certain things in the movie dont add up with what he says, like: -Miles "doesn't belong" and "was never supposed to be spiderman" and yet hes already experienced a canon event and is going to experience another one -Afaik Miles getting bitten by Spider 42 didnt disrupt the multiverse, it was the collider that blew a hole in the universe (its also not like Miles could exactly stop fate from happening) -Pav's canon event happened because of...Spot? A guy who never shouldve been there to begin with? Odd for that to be "canon" -Miguel tries to keep Miles from preventing the canon even with his father, even though the canon event is part of Mile's story as spiderman, and youd think that spiderman not being there for his own story (and the lesson that the captain's death brings) would mess with the canon and multiverse as well

[@SillyNep]

Idk about the Gwen's dad thing, yeah he was figuring out what to do, but he wasn't talking to her like his daughter in that moment, he was seeing her through his own grief and his job as a cop not as a father, he even raised his gun at her when she approached him. He screwed up in that scene and made her feel unsafe that's why she didn't come back until she was forced to. He realized that as well later on. It wasn't until he had the time to think about it and consider what was happening when she was gone he noticed what his real priorities were and that was to be a good father to her.

[@robbob5302]

That moment when he began reading her her rights, was just pure goosebumps. What is a cop to do when his daughter is a murderer? (Which she wasn’t. But he had no way to know that.)

[@sawanna508]

@@robbob5302 But normaly you are considered innocent untill proven otherwise. Besides he seems to me like beeing on "autopilote" insteed of going into "dad-mode" and LISTEN to her for a second.

[@robbob5302]

@@sawanna508 In an arrest situation, “reasonable suspicion” is enough to arrest a person. In this case, Gwen certainly had a warrant out for her arrest. So he didn’t even need that. “Innocent until proven guilty” applies in the trial part. Not the arrest part. (And the trial might go bad for her as well. Depending if she could prove Peter was the Lizard or not. If not, self defense argument wouldn’t work.)

[@robbob5302]

@@sawanna508 But as to your other point about autopilot, he had a long dramatic pause there, where he could have gone either way. Family or duty. To me, he honestly looked torn. But he went with duty. And my jaw hit the floor. I was so disappointed.

[@Scarlettspider-h4v]

Fun fact: Miguel actually isn't a vampire, in his origin story, he was a scientist for Alchemax trying to recreate Spider-Man In accident, his DNA accidentally got spliced with that's of a spider, making him 50% spider giving him VENOMOUS FANGS and CLAWS Despite his abilities, he doesn't have what MOST Spider-Man Have : Spider Sense Which is why he couldn't sense Vulture at the beginning of the movie

[@joyceliu4618]

I am convinced that they made this entire movie so overwhelming with different styles, characters, plot twists and all that, so that by the end your brain is sent into overdrive and you don't immediately pick up that Miles was sent to the wrong dimension. They wanna play us like that. Thanks for reacting to this amazing movie! I enjoyed watching your reaction so much!

[@Lokear]

Only wish they didn't show the 42 designation on the Go Home Machine beforehand, it was only for a few frames but I caught it in theaters so the impact wasn't as hard.

[@augustarcana]

@@Lokear I feel it works fine either way. If you notice it you get you get this building anticipation where you waiting for something to go wrong and you know it will. In contrast if you don't notice you get a far shorter period of anxiousness and tension, albeit with a harder impact. A long rising tension vs a blindsiding impact.

[@kaiburrus3190]

22:30 while they are trying to be understanding parents (And I think this is good) the problem is how quickly his dad raised his voice and didn't let him explain himself. Miles has been on the verge of telling them for almost the entirety of this movie. This is why it's important in parenting that your kid feels comfortable telling you stuff and doesn't feel like they need to hide anything. He literally daydreamed about having loving and supporting parents then figured it probably wouldn't happen.

[@whitenoisereacts]

Yeah. For sure. Parents make mistakes. They are human. But they are not even close to bad, just imperfect. Like all of us

[@louminouz]

‘unfair’ lol he literally was about to arrest her and almost pointed his gun at her if it wasnt for miguel

[@Peacemaker2025-A9T]

Exactly, he was about to arrest his own daughter for a crime she did not do. And you say she is being unfair for the way he treated her? Genius, please!

[@robbob5302]

And the “unfair” thing she was doing, was a snide tone of voice, and a dirty look. I’d say her dad got off light! 😂

[@PizzaHutCEO]

Y’all cracking the plot that quickly is WILD

[@popeyeschicken3535]

Fr they brainstormed and got it instantly lmao

[@pinkishhaven5158]

I REALLY love it whenever the Spiders go in sync when they save the people. Like, they may have issues in the later arc, but when it comes to saving the people they trust each other with that. We've seen that with Gwen and Miguel (and Jess though she arrived later) in the art museum, Then Miles and the gang in Pav's world. A special mention would be Gwen and Miles' spidey date all the while talking and saving people during all of it.

[@Kickinthescience]

That bagel really hit the spot

[@DanGamingFan2406]

The perfect sequel to a near flawless movie. The animation, characters, and action are even more incredible this time around. I especially love how well Miguel as an antagonist represents the fundamental flaw of the Spider Society’s doctrine: that Spider-People are defined by their trauma and that their trauma is essential.

[@SpacialRend7]

No matter how “perfect” a film seems to audiences, animated or otherwise, there’s no such thing as a perfect movie. As an artist/animator, I know nothing doesn’t always look the way they should.

[@Evangelionfan15]

Bro I swear I see you everywhere

[@liquid1514]

you say the same thing on every spiderman atsv video

[@SpacialRend7]

@@liquid1514 It’s seems pretty common with every film reaction I’ve seen tbh.

[@nicolasbaron4506]

@SpacialRend7 Me too.

[@codasinger5298]

I totally side with Miles' parents. They've done no wrong. If my kid was acting like Miles with no explanation I'd be frustrated and worried sick. Don't ever change Mr. and Mrs. Morales

[@skrrten]

honestly speaking havent seen anyone disagreeing with mr and mrs morales! its just really frustrating knowing both sides atp and seeing all the lies play out LOLOL

[@EddieB-ready]

Yeah, most of the time when I hear about people complaining about miles' parents is more the feeling of they want their son to live the way THEY wanted to. Or they are mad at them cuz they know the full story and know that Miles has very good reasons to do what he does, but they couldn't possibly know that, though it's implied his mom has at least a slight idea something's off

[@SapphWolf]

It's a sign of good writing when characters are butting heads and neither feels like the bad guy. They're all making decisions that make sense from their perspective and nothing feels forced or contrived. Plus you can really tell that all of his parent's actions come from a place of love and concern so there's no reason to be mad at them.

[@Peacemaker2025-A9T]

Every spider man go through something like this. It sucks but they do it to protect the people they love, Peter Parker goes through this almost all the time with aunt may, cause almost every time someone finds out who spider man is, they are usually the ones who end up dead.

[@aspieanarchist5439]

For the record, Miguel contrary to popular belief isn`t actually a vampire. The fangs and talons are because he wasn`t bitten by a radioctive or genetically-enhanced spider like the others, instead one of his Alchemax coworkers tried to kill him by poisoning him with spider DNA and it backfired!

[@FallenOne669]

I haven't seen anyone else bring this up, so I have to. I love that when the Alchemax building is falling, Miles is the one who immediately comes up with a plan and sends the best people to do each job. He sends Ghost and Punk, the two more experienced and, especially Hobie, the most powerful members of the group, to slow the building. Meanwhile, he and Pav clear the area of civilians because Pav knows the city better than anyone, and Miles is a better runner than a swinger since swinging isn't as viable in the tight buildings. And everyone immediately follows along because they know it's their best plan. It's such a small but brilliant moment.

[@robbob5302]

Which goes to show, some of the best leaders in history never went to Westpoint or anyplace. They were just born with it.

[@FallenOne669]

@@robbob5302 Something else I noticed is that this moment is a direct contrast to Miguel's order during the Spider-Chase. He gives one general directive that causes mass confusion and makes every Spider crawl over each other to get Miles.

[@robbob5302]

@@FallenOne669 ROFL Comedic but true.

[@wild_lee_coyote]

That would also be why Miguel goes so pissed at the end of the chase. Miles is showing he is better, the fact that Gwen and Peter B. are right behind him show how well they know and understand Miles. Miguel sees how his leadership comes under question because of Miles and he doesn’t know how to handle it. Such good writing.

[@robbob5302]

@@wild_lee_coyote Of course, it didn’t help when Miguel realized that by sending everybody to chase Miles, he was walking right into Miles trap!

[@Drake844221]

So, first... if you look at the scene where The Spot was telling Miles that he had taken a spider from another universe, that spider is approaching someone who looks like Earth 42's Miles Morales. He was meant to be Spider-Man in that world. On top of that, you get hints that the Sinister Six basically runs Earth 42. J. Jonah Jameson is even talking about the Sinister Six Cartel on the news. I don't think that this Prowler Miles is a villain. I think he's a rebel. And yeah, he's hard because his world is hard, and there's not a lot of half-measures left. He is that world's hero in the face of supervillains that have won, and he doesn't have super powers, just his Prowler tech.

[@ghostspider2056]

Ben Reilly, the one with the blue hoodie, is one of Peter’s clones. He took the name Ben after his uncle and Reilly after aunt May’s maiden name. He dyed his hair blonde in memory of Gwen Stacy who died.

[@eliwrites1236]

I do think the richness and chaotic nature of Gwen’s world is to reflect Gwen’s inner self and personality. There’s a lot more focus and balance in colours at the end with her dad. Gwen literally had no inner focus at the beginning. If Gwen painted as self expression I feel it would have been similar to what was seen on screen

[@marpj6138]

I also feel that once you get the rules of her world it gets way easier to understand it since its less about the forms and more about the colors representing the emotions - like at the first hug when she was a sad blue color palette and from the hug everything got a warm color palette just to go back to the sad blue as soon as the hug ends due to a villain or my favorite is her father literally half-half in color when she reveals herself just to him being full police blue after he choose duty

[@nicolasbaron4506]

I don’t think I even need to explain why this film is so fantastic. It’s got everything that you want out of not just a Spider-Man film, but for any comic book film in general, and it never forgets to keep the story of Miles Morales front and center. It’s definitely one of the greatest sequels on time, on par with other awesome sequels like The Dark Knight, The Empire Strikes Back, and Top Gun: Maverick. Hopefully Beyond will be another amazing entry and an amazing conclusion to what’s slowly making its way as one of the best trilogy of films.

[@ot7biasedmashups]

I've watched this movie 23 times so far, 7 times in the movie theater. I genuinely feel sorry for all the reaction channels who waited cuz that's the absolute best experience I've ever had. Like I didn't even watch No Way Home twice in the movie theater and I absolutely lost my shit about it. Also the soundtrack for ATSV is insaneeeee

[@Cloningmaster55]

Me personally I would have gone way more than Seven times but I only went to it three times because of how expensive tickets are it would be like $140 NZ to see it the same amount you did and I'm trying to save for other things at the same time and couldn't spare money to see it more than three times plus there were other movies I wanted to see multiple times as well

[@ma.2089]

IMAX Spiderverse was amazing

[@hybridvenom9]

Spider-man beyond the spider verse will releasing whatever because of a dumb shrike i could give you a reason why it's dumb but you could basically look up a video on the shrike and you would understand i don't care about talking about this

[@Cloningmaster55]

@@hybridvenom9 Anyone that says things like what you just said gets used as a reason for some people to hate both Spider-verse films also Animators, Writers and the whole industry that work on films get underpaid and overworked and are standing against AI because it's something the studios can use to cut costs and pay humans even less or nothing at all for some artificial garbage pooped out by AI because it can't even come close to half of what a human can do and that's just the tip of the iceberg with this whole thing I'm sure

[@hybridvenom9]

@@Cloningmaster55 Because of losing money and also ai that makes 0 sense still and i already did get someone telling me this but different so i don't care

[@hyteclowlife]

I'd say that some arcs are resolved - Gwen's arc is fully complete, and is resolved in her conversation with her father. Before that she struggles with the responsibility of being a hero and living up to her ideals, as personified by her father. Her father's unconditional acceptance of her role as Spider-Gwen, to the point of giving up his badge, gives her back her moral compass and pushes her to fully oppose Miguel.

[@zaywhitt502]

This movie shows u how to write a teenager, it’s not emo I hate the world n my parents type of thing it’s very back n forth of disagreements n misunderstandings but at the root there’s a lot of love there 👌🏽

[@besupaaa]

I really feel for spot. While miles became a hero, has friends and a family that lives him, spot lost everything - from his job to jis family to his own identiry. And to make things worse, his suffering was not even taken seriously - by Miles or by us, the audience. We only took him serious when it was too late. Cant wait to see what the resolution is going to be in the next movie.

[@ma.2089]

I hope we get something between Miguel and Spot since they’re both former Alchemax employees who got screwed over in some way by the company, and neither should be blaming Miles for things out of his control

[@besupaaa]

@@ma.2089 I have my hopes up Spot's resolution will have lots of emotional beats, now only like punch punch kick fight.

[@PizzaHutCEO]

He was also a criminal as a scientist though… like they all tried to kill the two spidermen with advanced weaponry.

[@sinixynta]

@@PizzaHutCEO i mean... technically, he was legally an employee of Alchemax (as they all were) and two unwelcome people just casually walked in and stole valuable data, including a *bagel*

[@alarrim29574]

Well I don’t really cuz it’s not like he couldn’t also be a hero. He is just not really a good person as he was with those scientists who were working for a evil shitbag boss.

[@cchan6421]

That's ok it was overwhelming to you, but most of us could take it and love it. Gwen's world is EMOTION and her watercolor world is expressed like a moon ring, as if you watch again, the world reacts from her perspective. Really cool and most of us got it. But respect if you didn't get it and mentioned it for you two.

[@sarcasticat6979]

My theory has been that canon is breakable as long as it's not altering a finalized event; ie, you can change the future but not the past. Miguel and Kingpin were both trying to alter events that were completed, therefore their attempts caused havoc. But with Miles and later Gwen, their broken canon wasn't technically canon YET so it doesn't count as canon. I'm talking not just the police captain thing with each of them, but Miles' spider bite too. If he was meant to be Prowler and was ALREADY Prowler, then yes I think the spider bite would have caused the universe to break. But he wasn't Prowler yet so it didn't affect anything. I also don't think Miguel is evil; if anything he's just traumatized by what he did and instead of accepting responsibility he's just clinging to a narrative that makes him feel slightly less guilty. Same with all the other Spiders who buy into that narrative. It hurts less if it was "meant to happen." They didn't "fail to save someone" if the person was always destined to die. These are damaged people, not villains. And I don't see anything in this film that could be considered foreshadowing for a "Miguel is intentionally lying" plot in the next one. Dude's daughter died in his arms because of his own mistake and he refused to get therapy, I don't think it goes much deeper than that.

[@chronosclaimsall]

THIS!!!! These are my exact thoughts and feelings on the situation. I've seen lots of people say that Miguel isn't really an antagonist because he's right, but I don't agree because of the holes in his thinking. He is (or used to be) a scientist, and every scientist knows that nothing is ever 100%. He of all people should know that the slightest variation can change the outcome of a situation/experiment, something as simple as "stopping something from happening" instead of "rewriting something that happened". If I put a bottle of water in the freezer, the ice might burst it and when it melts again all the water will leak out of the hole. But if I take it out before it freezes fully then the bottle [the universe] stays intact and I still get my water. Such a small change, such a big difference. So his adamant thinking that "Disrupting the canon WILL cause destruction" has always been flawed to me, but it obviously makes sense to him because of what he went through. Not only does the algorithm back him up but this thinking also makes it less his fault in a sense, because it's much easier to think that it was never meant to be than to think it could have gone alright if only you had done something differently.

[@EddieB-ready]

Pretty much, because IF the canon was so easily able to destroy the universe, then every universe whose spider person went to Miles' world in the first movie (safe maybe the pig) would have been annihilated. Think about it, meeting Miles in this dimension made: -Peni's mech to be destroyed, which wouldn't have happened otherwise, this making her build a better one much earlier than it probably would've originally - Introduced the concept of colors to Noire's universe, which, since he couldn't understand it prolly didn't exist there yet -Changed how Gwen sees friends, with her finally making one in Miles, and also affecting how she reacts DURING the spider society chase, with her constantly being torn between both sides, which would not have happened had anyone else been sent there OR the collider business not happened -Beter recovering his marriage AND having a kid BECAUSE of Miles

[@goswamipratibha2010]

Great to see people recognising and appreciating Pavitr Prabhakar 🎉 Just to add on, since many of guys did mention his movements like a dance form, it is indeed taken from one of the Indian martial art forms (usually a performance) Kalaripayattu. I'm also happy to have a better representation of India than what they showed in comic.

[@2013daxdaniel]

Miles had a DIFFERENT original quote from his UNCLE TOO, Miles' quote was: "You're on the way, JUST keep going." That's why Miles is driven to just keep pushing like he's already got his moral compass he just can't give up on his journey

[@K7CG2004]

That incredible Spider-Man chase scene took the animators 4 YEARS to make and tbh it sure was hell a worth it! 🎉

[@batmanvsjoker7725]

If you listen closely, you'll notice Prowler Miles has a Spanish accent. Because he spent more time with his single Hispanic mom after his dad died. I literally cannot wait to see how Beyond will tie up all loose ends in one movie.

[@Thatscrazy_anyway]

I disagree that there are no archs you literally have Gwen’s arch completed. She’s no longer distant and lost. She has her dad and isn’t afraid of going against Miguel

[@Alphasnowbordergirl]

I think the gwen stuff being overstimulating kind of makes sense. The entire segment is Gwen being overwhelmed. She's struggling emotionally in the beginning, not knowing how to handle Peter's death and her father hunting her, and then the chaos of Miguel, Vulture, and Jess. Gwen's universe specifically seems to react to emotions, brightening and darkening based on Gwen's emotions. So when she was overwhelmed, the stuff on the screen was also overwhelming for the viewer.

[@bel410la]

You guys came to the same thought as I did. Technically Miles' story isn't supposed to fit the cannon because he himself is an anomaly. He wasn't supposed to exist, so how can the cannon follow him if he isn't following the story himself.

[@TheKat12364]

The theory is that he became a substitute and the cannon is bending to make itself fit which is why uncle Aaron also died well after uncle Ben already did. But yes my theory is that Miles has the ability to bend cannon himself because he is an anomaly.

[@VitorMouraoddvtr]

Mumbattan was falling appart after spot's attack into a giant spott, but Miguel's alternate universe that was lost vanished by desintegrating into the glitching effect. The movie makes a point to establish these visual differences and I think that's a hint point to the fact that altering canon events by itself are not the cause of the multiverse colapse. Spot's genesis in the previous movie, which is the reason for other supervillains to jump into other universes, is probably not even what allowed Miguel to jump to other realities, he made was developing the watches before Into the Spider-verse. I have a theory to what might be the villanous force behing Beyond the Spider-verse and I think they're the ones who destroyed Miguel's perfect dimention.

[@itsthatgirl3028]

If you guys remember in the first movie when Spiderman saves Miles from falling in the collider, their spider senses sense eachother and Spiderman's senses colors are red and blue but Miles's are purple and green but in 2 second it turns into red and blue just like Spiderman's. But the reason that Miles's spidersenses are purple and green is because he meant to be the Prowler. And the Miles from earth 42 meant to be Spiderman. You can confirm this from the scene that Spot tells Miles that he brought the spider from another universe, you can see that the spider was about to bite the earth 42 Miles in the scene we see while Spot is talking.

[@MisterSlimee]

I think Captain Stacy was in the wrong, hence why he himself quit. Stacy had no substantial evidence to assume Spiderwoman murdered Peter with malicious intent. He was mainly motivated by personal trauma and vengeance at the death of Peter and targeted that at spiderwoman. Gwen didnt make it better and avoided being arrested but I really cant blame her just based on the scene where she revealed her identity.

[@rictor5]

So, the watercolors used for Gwen’s world is based on the coloring used for her first comic books. It uses that same color pallet too… kinda what happens with the Noir world too

[@JimmyXWolvie]

Miguel is not a villain. In this story he's the antagonist. There's a difference. But other that that, you're good. ✌

[@robbob5302]

We will have to wait for the third movie to come out to know for sure. But something tells me Miguel is not being 100% honest about his backstory. (Let’s just say Miles might not be the Original Anomaly.) 🤔

[@Peacemaker2025-A9T]

I argee with Miguel's cause just as much as James and Nobu do, but their has to be a better way, a peaceful way.

[@SpacialRend7]

There’s so much to fathom about how spectacular Across the Spider-Verse is! The world has buzzed about leading up to its release, it was hard to ignore the hype.😅 This sequel is very much like Avengers Infinity War, with how the story builds itself up to the climax and then, we are left with many questions about what’ll happen next with that bombshell of a plot twist at the end! That is some great story writing. This film is a solid S tier animated feature, one of the best of 2023!

[@faceboy1392]

to be fair infinity war does have a climax, the final fight in wakanda. It has that giant cliffhanger, but it still concluded what it had built up to, whereas ATSV builds up so much at the end and then we see "to be continued". It's an awesome movie, the end was just quite unsatisfying though

[@milesmorales-intothespider9861]

@@faceboy1392Respectfully, for the whole story they were trying to tell, there was far too much to try and wrap it up in one film. That's why they split it into two movies. Hence the first look we got of the movie revealing the title to be Across the Spider-Verse (Part One), before it was shortened to just 'Across the Spider-Verse'. I feel like that should have been a dead giveaway that this was going to be a two-parter.

[@hika_ariel]

I just wanted to add, there are so many art history references in the movie (and tbh it was only natural with so many different artstyles): when gwen is at peace with his dad again we can see abstract shapes behind her, coloured on white, those patterns are straight out a Kandinsky; when the spot evolves into his final form becoming black-ish with white doodles on him it's reminiscent Schiele and Toulouse-Lautrec for palettes and textures; Spiderpunk artstyle is clearly inspired in the post pop art punk-rock posters; the volture like you noticed resembles italian Renaissance drawings/projects like Leonardo's or Michelangelo.. and those are just the few that stood out to me but i'm sure there's more

[@codestar5636]

I can't believe I actually watched the entire discussion. And on normal speed, too. That was a really cool back and forth on the themes of the film. I also appreciate that you guys actually talked about the fact that even if Miles IS special somehow, that doesn't necessarily mean that Miguel is wrong, since he would technically be correct in stopping literally any other Spider-Man BUT Miles. I hadn't even thought about that until you guys mentioned it. It actually really helped to sympathize with the other side. As a big Peter Parker fan, I was constantly upset at Peter B. Parker because "MY peter parker wouldn't let people die", but after thinking about it a little bit harder, I can accept it a lot better. I still think the next film is gonna be about how Miguel was wrong and you CAN break the canon, because it'd be weird for it to end with the conclusion that Miles SHOULD let his dad die (although that would be really interesting), but I'm way happier with the film because of what you guys said during your discussion. So thanks!

[@pinkishhaven5158]

I also hope that in BTSV it would ease the Gwen-haters (cuz for some reason some folks decided to pour all the hate on her, that maybe even Miguel or Jess, or everyone else in the Spider Society deserves to have a part on).

[@spootot]

I'm impressed by how quickly you sided with authority each time

[@princessarnasan3725]

Funfact: the Lego scene is created by a 14 y/o boy, he also recreated the trailer in Lego version

[@nugget3878]

I have a theory that miles invisibility works mentally too because everytime he goes invisible they cant sense him

[@ma.2089]

It’s moreso that they don’t see Miles as a threat. I don’t think any of spider society was going all out on Miles

[@nugget3878]

@ma.2089 I doubt that spidey sense are only used for threats , because we see it use to identify other spider-men , like mile and spider bites, But if it is only for danger , why didn't her spidey sense went off when the machine started "on its own" that should have made her spidey sense act up but it didn't

[@iCyberDev]

@@nugget3878 the only counterargument i'd have to this, for example, is maybe gwen doesnt seen miles as a threat so when he was invisible next to her, she didnt sense him. and jess wasn't "really" in the room in spot's apartment. as for miguel, he doesnt have spider sense because he's different and just has a serum that imitates spiderman powers. And the VR avatar spiderwoman is not really in the room but she's in her own bedroom when the machine started. And the the algorithm pixie that i call "YUI" personally as an homage to sword art online, i dont think she's a spider person, but an AI or algorithm, so all the people that were in the room there cant sense miles per se even if they see a threat. the show made it convenient for both theories, but hey it could be possible that mile's powers were supposed to be the earth 42 miles powers, and they're tailored to how he's dealing in a world where it's very tech oriented and high securtiy and potenitally need to be more of a cyberpunk stealthy spiderman vs normal spiderman to be able to be effective in that world, but in our mile's world, the power set is not what supposed to happen to him and he may be a bit more overloaded than his world expected.

[@nugget3878]

@iCyberDev Vr avatar is called spider bites, and she's still able to use he spidey senses . When miles first met her, they both used it , the others I already thought about why they couldn't sense them and it makes sense , I already knew what miguel is , which is whybim going of by the vr girl , spider bite , because she isn't physically there but was still.able to use her spidey sense and in the first movie when all the spider people where fighting Dr. Oc , no else sense miles there , same goes for when they werenis peter parkers bunker , they didn't sense miles leaving or still being there , they knew he left because they saw the machine activate and peter b. Saying "see I told you he can turn invisible." I'll keep believing this until they show him being sensed while invisible

[@docavar5698]

43:09 this is where I genuinely hated Miguel (other than the serious implications that he has to bury the body of his variant & coming home to his “daughter”), Miguel saw with his monitors of Miles & his mom’s conversation. He deliberately brought up that line with a level of spite onto a child he absolutely has no business with just as Miles was minding his own business being bestowed as Spider-Man. On top of generally being a creep monitoring basically EVERYONE with his tech.

[@lanewaldon6450]

If I'm not mistaken Spider-man 2099 differs quite a bit from other spiders. Instead of being bit his DNA was spliced with spider genes which gave him retractable claws instead of the sticky hands, venomous fangs and I don't believe he has the Spider sense😅

[@DisneyFanatic2364]

20:00 Damn, they figured out the twist right off the bat.

[@ПитерПаркер-ф1ц]

Kingpin: literally being a reason why multiverse was damaged. Miguel O'Hara & Entire Spider-Society: Meh, let's just blame a 13-year-old kid (yes, Miles was only 13 in the first movie) for everything because he gets into the wrong place, in the wrong time and didn't knew anything an forward!

[@eni6580]

“this feels like first part of another movie” duhh we’ve known this for years

[@btgardener39]

My theory is that the Aaron Davis and Miles Morales of Earth-42 aren't actually //evil// per se -- but they're in a world where evil (the Sinister Six Cartel, for example) has largely taken control. The fact that Jefferson, Miles-42's dad, was killed rather than Uncle Aaron, definitely makes me think that the two of them are embarking on a secretive guerrilla war against the Cartel, stealing what tech they can to fight against them. That's why Aaron scoffs when Miles-1610 tells him that he has a choice, that he could be a good guy -- because from Aaron-42's perspective he already //is// as good a guy as that broken world will allow. Also, the song Aaron-42 puts on in the beginning of that scene ("Ain't No Love In the Heart of the City") has some particularly telling lyrics -- all about how there's no love in the heart of the city, in the heart of the town, because someone isn't around anymore. That seems like it //has// to refer to Aaron-42 mourning Jefferson, and what he and Miles-42 have had to become because of his death. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWmygIh6idikg5I

[@setantastooddead]

Side note before my main rant: Pavitr is using a diabolo as a web-slinging tool!!! It’s a circus instrument and they are so so so cool and fun to work with. Like giant detached yo-yos. I legit whooped when I saw it sling into frame in the theater, I was super excited because I recognized it immediately. Pav and Hobie are both insanely cool, I love them. So. The whole getting philosophical thing is absolutely warranted in any discussion of this film - the crux of the plot conflict is a classic Trolley Problem, which has confounded philosophers and laymen alike for the last fifty years! There is no right answer - both Miles and Miguel have valid reasons for the choices they’ve made and intend to make, and through action or inaction both of their solutions end in the death of innocents. Both are doing their best to do good in this impossible scenario, their opinions just fall to opposite sides of the tracks. Also, one party is an idealistic child with VERY personal stakes in the outcome, and the other party is a heavily traumatized man with anger issues operating under the desperation of the sunk cost fallacy. They’re both making highly emotional snap decisions, and both of their judgments are cloudy right now. The answer has to come from somewhere else for there to be a satisfactory conclusion. I’ve got a strong feeling finding that answer is going to rely on the linked triad of Prowler Miles, Spiderman Miles, and The Spot. They have the key, somehow.

[@pillowvibes]

y’all are the first ones I’ve seen to side with gwens dad during that intro lmao

[@Zikkar]

Miguel let Gwen come in the end because she admitted she didn’t know how to fix her mess. This is the same as him because he doesn’t know how to fix his mess either. That is what swayed him in the end.

[@SonicMegaKing]

Thank you, I swear you dudes are like the only ones who listened to Miguel explain why breaking canon is a terrible idea and how we don't know any better. As for Miles, the most likely interpretation of his situation is that he usurped his universe's Spider-Man role when he got bit, which caused his Peter to die and the canon to re-work itself around him, which then killed his Uncle Aaron as the Uncle Ben canon event. So while he is an anomaly, he's also holding his universe's canon together as a substitute, but also causing other realities to unravel by his very nature as an anomaly. At least, as far as we know now. Next movie may reveal some new info. But until then, we only got Miguel's word(which is the best info we have) and our own speculation based on that.

[@Peacemaker2025-A9T]

That because most people are too emotional to understand what is at stake.

[@DeAngeloBertDavis]

That explanation makes sense..but something about Miguels story is sus. I just hope Sony can land this plane. Miles has lost all faith in all the spider society especially peter b and Gwen two of the very ones he risked his life for helping fight kingpin to get them back to their respective dimensions before the glitching killed them. Even if Gwen’s elite squad rescues him from earth 42, a more somber, emotionally distant Miles should be portrayed in the next film. A little Batman ish even.

[@SkyDude-wd3ow]

For me, Miguel is using a false equivilence. The other Miguel was already dead, and our Miguel took his place, changing something that already happened. Everything else is yet too happen. Since the 199999 mention means the MCU is connected, think of it like ep 4 of What if, after Christine dies, changing the absolute point destroys the universe, but until that happens, its not the set event, since our Strange had a different set of events. So technically, different events should be possible in the absolute point, but they arent, because it already happened. I know what Im talking about, and still confusing myself, so if you think Im talking shit, who knows, I might be. But its also the fact that Miguel specifically chooses to surround himself with people who will agree with him, Spider-people who have gone through the trauma, so wont question him. He only takes Gwen when she is desperate, so she wouldnt question him in case she be kick out and left alone.

[@TheKat12364]

But in both Miles world and the Indian Spiderman world a collier went off. Miles changing the cannon event isn't what caused the world to start collapsing it was the collider. Peter A Parker says that in the first movie before he dies, this will create a hole under New York. Miguel either isn't seeing the collider connection or is ignoring it to suit whatever plans he has.

[@unwateredflower5055]

@@Peacemaker2025-A9Tit’s an in character decision for miles to fight for his family’s survival and safety tho. And the support around that is understandable. Especially as we see miles is not placing much value in family or family bonds by avoiding being truthful in the movie (this creating misunderstanding and a divide).He starts to realize how important they are to him when he learns that he is going to lose his dad. Doesn’t help Miguel decided to physical detain him, most people don’t respond well to that for any reason. At that point it’s implied that the fight (in Miles POV) became saving his family from bad people who’ll let them die. Plus it’s a kids movie I feel like either there is going to be a loop hole to save his father or he going on a villain arc, since miles doesn’t believe he has anymore reliable people to trust.

[@RuroniEthan]

To my knowledge, Miguel is not a vampire. If I'm not mistaken, I think his fangs have a paralytic in them. His particular spider powers.

[@Samgreen90]

(At 34:25) You want to know the sad part is? Before Aaron Davis, Hobart "Hobie" Brown was The 1st The Prowler in Earth-616. But then he started trying to turn his life around after he confronted Spider-Man. Currently going by "The Hornet" THIS Hobie Brown… is from Earth-138. Also Aaron Davis does not exist in Earth-616. He came from the Ultimate Universe, as well as his nephew. I *think* that's about the sum of it, as far as I know?

[@sagnik8432]

Freaking love Nobu! He knows when to speak and doesn't just babble 😆

[@painstakeranimations9253]

I love the philosophical debate sparked from this movie. It's fun seeing all the different perspectives.

[@marktapia8327]

I have never used the word “brilliant” to describe an animated movie EVER-until NOW. This is downright BRILLIANT!

[@tylerjohnson1947]

Personally I don’t think that Miles is an anomaly. While some of the things Miguel said is true…he’s still wrong because it’s not Miles’ fault. Spot was the one who brought the spider to Miles’ dimension. If Spot never done it then Miles wouldn’t be Spider-Man and Spot wouldn’t be Spot. If Miles was the “original anomaly”, shouldn’t he have been among the first spider-people or that in at least one other universe he is Spider-Man?

[@asteven8]

Yeah, that was the bit I never got why everything was Miles' fault. He didn't ask to be Spider-Man. Like you said, Spot used the collider and brought the spider over that bit Miles.

[@isaiahtomoana1101]

true, but i love the fact that miles is an anomaly, it gives him a freedom that most spiderman dont have, hes not bound by the canon or what a "typical spiderman is", he can literally do his own thing, his story is not bound by anything and therefore can be anything and can change fate, gwens dad not becoming captain shows that fate can be changed and miles opening the universes i feel like is the catalyst to other spiderpeople to make there own fate. beyond the spiderverse is gonna go hard regardless

[@anarchyknight6990]

@@chickennuggets8061 How do we know Miles letting his father die wouldn't break the canon? It's supposed to be an accident, a tragedy that teaches Spiderman a lesson. Not letting him try and fail to save his father futher breaks the canon right? Miguel tried to fit into a universe he didnt belong in. Miles was born and bitten in his universe even though his spider didnt belong there. If his universe was going to fall apart, it already would have.

[@tylerjohnson1947]

@@asteven8 you could really blame Kingpin bc he was the reason behind the collider in the first place. But then again there were colliders in other dimensions so really…any of them could be responsible

[@tylerjohnson1947]

@@isaiahtomoana1101 I do like that way of seeing him as an anomaly, plus if his story is different then Miguel could be wrong

[@celphan4083]

Ngl, I was actually concerned when I saw you guys trying to defend Gwen's father in his actions. Getting where he comes from? Yea, we all got that. Trying by any means saying that maybe he wasn't wrong, while he clearly pointed a F*cking gun to his daughter? Nah dude

[@Peacemaker2025-A9T]

People say from spider man edge of time "Whats important is not standing by and allowing someone to suffer and die because you do nothing. If you don't get that you don't get the first thing about being Spider man."

[@maefromnitw]

i think its quite fair of gwen not to trust her dad when he Pointed A Gun At Her

[@KaoretheHalfDemon]

The thing you mentioned. The ‘Spider-man way’ is why I deem the vast majority of the Spider Society in this movie unworthy of being called a Spider. Gwen, Peter B, and Peni have to redeem themselves. Even if they fail. Spiders always try to find a way. They don’t sacrifice one life to save others,

[@haysfut]

“I want to see spider noir” same bro. same.

[@slimjimnyc270]

The movie couldn't afford Nick Cage for two movies so that's why he appeared at the end of this w/o speaking.

[@Peacemaker2025-A9T]

38:27 See this is one of those situations in Marvel where their is conflict among Heroes and you see both sides are right in their own way and they both have good reasons for doing what they do, its like Civil War all over again.

[@lauguacate]

"My head hurts" were my exact feelings after coming out of the theater for this movie hahaha. Lovely as usual seeing your reaction & hearing your thoughts, I've been patiently waiting for this one, thank you guys for your efforts and amazing work and fro always bringing appreciation for art and cinema

[@GeneralxGrievousx]

The whole conflict between Miguel & Miles on breaking the canon is so perfect because each side is right in so many ways. Miguel used to be like all the other Spidermen, he wanted to help & save everyone he could but then got faced with the horrible reality of destroying an entire dimension because of his "harmless mistake". & then there's Miles, who may be the strongest personification of Spidermans motto of "I can save everyone & I will try no matter what". & when faced the horrible reality of having to let his father die in order to keep the canon going, he said "nah im do my own thing". I remember just sitting in theater when this all plays out thinking just how perfect they weaved this whole conflict onto screen, absolute masterclass in storetelling.

[@maxwellgrimsley]

Bro I’m with y’all in being near braindead after this film. 😂 I’ve never had a movie throw more things at me, and yet it didn’t feel too overwhelming. My eyes for sure couldn’t observe it all, and yet I loved every moment. Could not form a coherent thought afterwards though. 💀

[@DiogoChris]

I'm with you there 🤣

[@wuttatota148]

Guys that discussion at the end was amazing. I love your back and forth and the deep dive into the characters' mindsets and all the intricacies of the plot

[@Jurola]

I love that the direction was to give Miles/Prowler a slight accent since he is only living with his mom in his universe. Whereas Miles/Spider-Man can only speak Spanglish.

[@lfreeman4612]

I love how you guys are just as speechless as me and my sister were when we walked out of the theater opening night. It was so good and yet you can't even say anything about it because it's so mind blowing. Haven't had time to watch y'alls reactions in a while and this one was a super good one to hop back into! keep it up!

[@batmanvsjoker7725]

The movie was so great that I barely noticed how long it actually is for an animated western movie

[@Middlefingestudios1]

honestly Miguel is right... from his perspective. But I could go on why there are reasons and things that he's missing but the simplest reason he's wrong? He's an antagonist telling our hero that he's wrong lol

[@ot7biasedmashups]

Okay so Miguel is talking crazy. He's traumatized so I get what he's on about but his idea of canon events is full of holes. The first thing he shows when talking about things that happen to every Spider-Person is getting bit by a spider. However, Miguel himself wasn't even bitten by a spider. He got his powers through gene manipulation. Peter Porker got bitten by a radioactive PIG. Also the one that upsets me the most (not rll it's good characterization) is him saying that Miles getting bitten is the reason his Peter died. But that literally says that his universe simply adapted to the change. He was Spider-Man for 1 year and 4 months. Nothing happened. The massive quantum hole that appeared in Mumbattan WAS from The Spot. His theme even played. Not to mention Miguel's universe glitched while there's just a black hole in Mumbattan. Not very consistent right? However I do have a theory why Miguel's dimensions glitched away instead of adapting. The thing is, Miguel isn't from that dimension. He doesn't glitch because he's wearing the watch. But where does all the energy go? It's like when you're driving really fast. If you were to stop immediately you'd die. The entire car would end up being a pancake because all that force = energy needs to go somewhere. Because Miguel COULDN'T glitch it had to evade to the rest of the universe. Especially because he probably stayed for at least a year. So yeah, Miles is not the villain. Especially because he's A 15 YEAR OLD KID. He's absolutely right for wanting to save his dad. So yeah, he's not wrong.

[@Rish.Houdini]

37:18 Miguel was such a sweet guy who had a daughter I feel bad that he lost her 😭

[@MarkLaw13]

On your question 1:17:08. No other spiderman saved either Uncle Ben, Captain Stacey. Why? When Jessica asked about Gwen joining. Miguel answers you know why. This mulitiverse in Spiderverse didnt exist until the collider. The collider is the cause of worlds. Hence, Miguel tells Gwen they didnt do a great job in ITSV and also Dr Strange too. The gap between ITSV and ATSV Miguel had created the Spider society, got Peter B to help him try to save the other Miguel world. Every spiderman where leaving normal until the invention of the collider. They never had the opportunity to do any saving of Uncle or Captain.

[@audreylwalker]

I love Gwen Stacy Spiderwoman - especially in this movie! I love her awesome fighting, but I also LOVE how she really messes up and doesn’t know what she’s doing a lot. And she learns to rely on others and forms a squad at the end! I think too many strong women in modern stories don’t really show weakness or they “don’t need your help” because they’re independent. I love this girl character who is fierce & feminine with her ballet shoes and who learns to depend on others. That’s a wonderful thing! This is such a great movie in so many ways! And of course, the animation is crazyyyy beautiful!! I agree with you that it’s a bit too much at times though where it takes away from the focus of the moment for me. Cannot wait for Beyond the Spiderverse to complete this story!!😆

[@MarkLaw13]

No one talks about ITSV question being answered. What was Kingpin trying to do? Replace his wife and Kid. What did Miguel do? Replaced his dead self. Which means if Kingpin succeeded 1610 would have been destroyed. The question is what is Miguel's canon event? Remember every spiderman loses an uncle and captain stacey. In Miguel's world who did he lose when he became spiderman?

[@2013daxdaniel]

I love how Spider-Punk was was pop art style and everything was dysfunctional about him chaotic and anarchistic

[@ivysalen]

Thank you so much for understanding that Gwen's dad is just doing his duty, and that if he let her go he'd be breaking his oath and neglecting the people he swore to protect. Also, I'm glad you're seeing Miguel as a person and not a two-dimensional villain--he's just doing what he thinks is right, and he might be right about it. After all, he watched a universe die because he broke the canon! Neither Gwen's dad nor Miguel could in good faith let Gwen or Miles go.

[@phillipfrost2699]

i really love how perceptive you two are, that alone gets a sub cause the average movie reviewer misses soooooo much.

[@chance757]

still finishing the video so i’m not sure if you guys find out or not, but if you don’t know, the voice actor for spot is the same man who voiced jesper from klaus!

[@morganghostbusters-egonfan]

Can’t wait to see Beyond the Spider-Verse!

[@miguelalonso9460]

Me too!

[@morganghostbusters-egonfan]

@@miguelalonso9460 It got deleted indefinitely, but it’ll be worth the wait.

[@Peacemaker2025-A9T]

I can't wait!

[@morganghostbusters-egonfan]

@@Peacemaker2025-A9T Me too

[@brimmedhathoe4392]

I'm surprise by the take on gwyn's aesthetic. I get I guess, but I always thought the intense colors, especially how it changes per frame, is a reflection of how frazzled Gwyn's mental state is during the reveal.

[@sly_cat]

Small detail about hobie, He has blue shoe-laces alluding to lace code, blue laces mean that he's killed a cop(possibly the one he was close too) which is part of his story in the comics.

[@malytheson]

If you’ve noticed on spots animation style he is drawn a a sketch drawing showing that he is incomplete

[@softsounds8453]

Permanent stuck in storyboard :)

[@havok6280]

Ben Reilly, the Scarlet Spider, was originally a clone of Peter. Then it turned out Peter was the clone and Ben was the original. Then it turned out Ben was really the clone. He took Uncle Ben's first name and Aunt May's maiden name.

[@AndrewCBateman]

Math guy here. Here's something that might help. There are an infinite number of numbers between 0 and 1 (e.g. 0.1, 0.11, 0.111, etc), but ALL of those numbers are greater than 0 and less than 1. Just because there are an infinite number of something doesn't mean EVERYTHING is part of it. 2 is not between 0 and 1. Infinity does not mean everything. Miguel is asserting that ALL spidermen have to exist between 0 and 1. There are an infinite number of spider-men that exist between 0 and 1 (they conform to the cannon). But that doesn't mean that every possible set of events can happen to a spider-man, because if a spider-man is outside of cannon (is a 2 or a 3), then BY DEFINITION, they can't be spider-man, because they are outside the limits. And, according to miguel, that will break the universe because you can't be both a 2 AND be between 0 and 1. HOWEVER, Miguel could be wrong about the limits. MAYBE the rule of what it is to be spider-man is actually between -1 and 1 and it just so happens that MOST of them are positive. Miles's anomalous nature might be unusual without being universe-breaking. Miguel is taking that one event, the thing that happened to him and WILDLY extrapolating what it means for everyone else. But he could be wrong. ... or he could be lying. The only person we heard his story from was him. It could be bullshit. I tend to lean towards him being wrong and misguided, rather than malicious, personally. And I think that Gwen is going to prove that to him. Miguel showing up and saving Gwen eventually led to her dad quitting and therefore not dying. Cannon broken. Yet... her universe is fine. With that evidence in play, I think Miguel and the rest of the Spider-Team take on Spot and Miles in #3 and we figure out what it was that actually broke his original universe. Not the cannon thing, but something else. Miguel will learn it wasn't his fault after all. ... and probably die. Y'know. Cuz it's a spider-man story after all. People gotta die. And if it's not going to be Miles' dad (and I don't think it will), then it's got to be Miguel.

[@batmanvsjoker7725]

Spot is a representation of Sony: we couldn't take them seriously before, but now nobody's laughing anymore

[@ThePonderer]

It’s really interesting how quick you guys are to empathize or side with the figures of authority (Gwen’s Dad, Miguel) even when the movie is positioning them as wrong, or at the very least extremely biased.

[@wuttatota148]

Ngl i was also leaning on Miguel's side here. Yes he could be wrong and Miles saving his father might not have any consequences, but if Miles is wrong then he is potentially risking the lives of billions of people. That's too much of a risk imo. It's better to be safe than literally kill billions

[@ThePonderer]

@@wuttatota148there’s definitely something Miguel knows that he’s not telling the others. His and Miles’ situations don’t equate. “Saving one life” and “taking over the life of my dead counterpart” are too dissimilar for Miguel’s word to be taken as gospel. He’s working on an even flimsier assumption about the potential consequences than Miles is.

[@vanb8797]

@@wuttatota148Just realized that Thano's plan (in Disney Marvel) was not dissimilar to Miguel's ethics; further, Miguel had some parallels with Wanda's recent motivations in the Disney Marvel's "Dr. Strange ITMOM".

[@rhadamanthys649]

@@ThePonderer Why do people insist that Miguel is a liar? Can't he just be wrong or misguided? What does he gain by lying? He's still a Spider-Man, a hero.

[@ThePonderer]

@@rhadamanthys649 he’s also already a *huge* dick who’s clearly lost sight of the whole hero thing. At this point what integrity does his character really have to lose?

[@foranzo1582]

I absolutely loved the talk after the movie, probably even more than the reaction 😆