Reacting To Dave Chappelle's Abortion Jokes | Whatever Podcast

[@triggers992003]

It is scary that a woman can abort the child or abandoned the child at a fire department and no legal repercussions but the man is on the hook for that baby for 18 to 21 years no matter what

[@theredstar6493]

Only 18? Wait till you find out what happens in India If you get a daughter (don't even have to be biologically yours, as long as you were married and can't prove to be away from you wife it's yours, in some instances even after proving inaccessibility you can be liable) you have to maintain her till the time she's married Yes, the minimum age being 18 and in case she don't want to marry then your whole lifetime, while also including marriage expenses 😐

[@D3xter6r]

"Patriarchy" 🤣

[@chantalgreen9035]

Placing a child at a fire station is not abandonment, making the right decision for the child choosing a better life for the child

[@triggers992003]

@@chantalgreen9035 a·ban·don /əˈbandən/ verb 1.cease to support or look after (someone); desert.

[@camygr6297]

@@chantalgreen9035 technically it’s a “surrender” ultimately the child will deal with feeling abandoned on some level when they find out the truth even if they eventually accept that they ended up in a better situation.

[@Kookygirl111]

I've been saying the same thing for years now. If a woman can choose to terminate her pregnancy, a man should have the right to terminate his responsibility to the pregnancy.

[@antoineragins5035]

Then they’d stop having so many out of wedlock the problem is the family court system is a cash cow so many people get paid from simple CS cases

[@darthbloodborn]

u would think so but the law doesn't protect men like that

[@candyxoxo19]

Out of wedlock births should lead to adoption if the man does not want to raise the child and the mom cannot take care of the child solo. Forcing someone who does not want to be a dad to be there is probably not the best for the psyche of the child. Adoption would be a healthier alternative.

[@antoineragins5035]

@@candyxoxo19 u got some points here like if a single woman will have to apply for government assistance then make it easier to put child up for adoption instead of raising a child in poverty “struggle raising”

[@Kookygirl111]

@@candyxoxo19 I agree 💯! The saddest part is that adoption is so difficult and expensive and most children just end up as wards of the state. I know how hard it is because I have known several couples that spent years trying to adopt a child, couples with great jobs, financial stability, nice homes, no criminal records, yet it took years to jump through all the hoops. One lady told me she honestly felt like the agencies were trying to get them to just give up. Of the 3 couples I know of, two finally got through all the bs and adopted children, the other gave up after 5 years and remain childless to this day.

[@Mark_Ellzy]

The best part of the comedy is him saying “if I’m wrong then we’re wrong”. It’s really a very subtle acknowledgment that the whole argument makes no sense.

[@jescollo]

You think it was subtle?

[@Mark_Ellzy]

@@jescollo yeah I do.

[@bigdave4400]

its actually saying that if him abandoning the child is wrong then maybe killing it is as well

[@emykus7717]

@@bigdave4400 I agree with you except for the "maybe". It's not a maybe.

[@codybrasil]

He is a genius…. Not choosing sides but telling you what what is the right choice 🤣

[@dannyc3774]

The women cheering stopped cheering once it made sense 😅 Their brain neurons got shaken up 😅

[@Me-hf4ii]

Was that their first moment of consciousness? Would Destiny have been ok with killing then until that point? Since they weren’t “really” until then…?

[@WolfMountford]

Yep! Just like a child lol! "Yay! Yay! You said stuff I agree with and that favored me!" And then immediate "Booo! You said something that makes me feel held accountable" 🤣

[@cantdestroyher7245]

*neuron

[@rcdune7132]

I cheered the entire thing!💯

[@FejkJ]

​@@cantdestroyher7245*doofus

[@luvtheLordJesus]

Dave Chappelle nailed the irony of it all and actually the wicked attitude behind this hookup culture that produces these horrendous results.

[@Mouse_killer_05]

That's your false assumption.

[@luvtheLordJesus]

@@Mouse_killer_05 huh?

[@Mouse_killer_05]

@@luvtheLordJesus Yeah, you're too far gone.

[@luvtheLordJesus]

@@Mouse_killer_05 guess you know me from one comment on the internet. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣…if you believe that, you’re too far gone…😫😆😄😁😂🤣

[@Mouse_killer_05]

@@luvtheLordJesus Aw, this one thinks its comments are private. It's not too far gone - it was never here.

[@michaelzeigler3733]

The woman all cheered till he said if you decide to have the baby a man should not have to pay🤷🏻

[@CatEyedGoddess]

I believe that’s cause they were laughing and clapping.

[@CashMNey]

@@CatEyedGoddessno they heard no pay and stfu 😂

[@tripstar3563]

100% facts. Women want to claim "my body, my choice." Okay, you chose to have it. The man didn't. Therefore, she claims all responsibility. He has zero responsibility.

[@Ynox54321]

It's called the boo-hurrah theory.

[@dennisddt1146]

@@CatEyedGoddess No, most of them were probably mad that if that were the case they can no longer force child support upon a man while KNOWING way ahead of time, that the man doesn't want the child to be born/his responsibility.

[@personnesenki4521]

Chappelle's pro-choice wind-up was genius... and he hit it out of the park on the back on all the women who cheered it.

[@cliffordfernandez3524]

Shut them up real quick U see it’s not equality the men get f over n the women don’t care

[@flyingwombatazazz6736]

They were not listening to the end of the joke and completely missed his point

[@casey7113]

If a pregnant woman gets in a car accident on the way to the abortion clinic and they both die due to a drunk driver, the driver is charged for two deaths but if she just misses out on getting into an accident and makes it to the clinic she can herself kill the baby...make it make sense!! Why does the law recognize human life in some situation but not in others?

[@uoabigaillevey]

It's about who can be punished.. and how much worse can they be punished. They would want to punish the driver for killing the mother.. but get to punish him 'again' by adding the unnecessary charge for the death of the unborn child. Taken another way.. until the child is actually aborted the mother might have chosen to alter her decision and not go through with the abortion. Either way it is about punishing the driver as much and harshly as they can. The doctor, on the other hand.. is just doing his job.

[@casey7113]

@@uoabigaillevey doing your job? The doctor should be charged with killing a human life

[@taurusteelpan]

Not in Canada, Depending on how far along the pregnancy the woman is, the driver would only be responsible for the woman's death not the fetus. There was an occurrence of a pregnant woman being murdered in a shooting and someone in the Christian community tried to advocate for the fetus to be considered lawfully "murdered" and the women's group put a stop to that toute suite.

[@scottsommer9843]

It is not about life. It is literally about the choice itself. If she wants to kill it, she can, but if he wants to kill it and put ru487 in her drink (an abortion drug), it is considered a crime.

[@MintyFreshTurds]

Double standards.

[@jp92382]

tells you where our country is when comedians are the group of people making the most sense on societal issues

[@sksaddrakk5183]

Historically it was always the jokers who held a mirror to society. They had certain liberties when talking to kings and rulers which normal subjects did not have.

[@c3bhm]

@@sksaddrakk5183 Jordan Peterson explains the archetype of the 'court jester' really well, and it's exactly what you're talking about. They can say what needs to be said, during times of oppression and dysfunction, but get away with it because while what they say is true, the leadership can save face by everyone quasi-dismissing the messaging because it's coming from a 'fool' who nobody is expected to take seriously.

[@np466]

Comedians have common sense. Half this country doesn’t.

[@EricSmyth4Christ]

@@sksaddrakk5183yeah I was gonna say this It’s always been like this To be a funny person you generally have to be pretty smart as well

[@stevenwoods5787]

Dude if we’re being honest, the VAST VAST VAST majority of “comedians” nowadays are nothing more than mouthpieces for democrats masquerading as comedians

[@justmyopinion7807]

Do whatever you want, just don’t sugarcoat it. You’re killing a baby.

[@KingStr0ng]

Exactly. There is no excuse. None of us would want our lives taken in that way, so why is there a push to do it to others?

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

The unborn are not babies, especially in the first trimester. They're biologically incapable of being "innocent" and they lack personhood. Bill Burr's cake joke is more apt. He admits that the ingredients of a cake are not a cake.

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

​@@KingStr0ngIt's not your decision to make unless it's your pregnancy.

[@KingStr0ng]

@@MarshalllWalk3r Does your mother own you like you're some sort of item to be disposed of? No? Then what makes you think that anyone else's mother does the same? Don't be a hypocrite. A human being is not a "decision".

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

@@KingStr0ng A full pregnancy IS a medical decision - fact - and it's got nothing to do with your feelings or opinions. That's also a fact. Mind your own business and stop pretending that you care so much. You're pretending to be outraged so you can feel moral or superior, but it only makes you look simple and dramatic.

[@Chrissy45999]

Love how Dave bangs them over the head with the truth in such a sly manner "if I'm wrong, then perhaps you're wrong."

[@chhansen9813]

"If Im wrong, then perhaps WE'RE wrong"

[@davidpowers9178]

​@@chhansen9813and what does that imply?

[@chhansen9813]

@@davidpowers9178 Jesus Flippin' Christ! I corrected the OC's comment to what Chappelle ACTUALLY SAID! WTFF

[@chhansen9813]

@@davidpowers9178 Its self explanatory if you watched the video, unless youre a biden voter!

[@TimothyGod]

​@@chhansen9813or people are a bit slow, explaining is much easier than going back and forth like this

[@JoeCurreri-mj4mc]

I'll take it in the other direction, nobody should be paying a penny of child support until there is a DNA test proving that it is your child.

[@nickchemist723]

💯 . DNA test should be done on every single baby born

[@rianmacdonald9454]

SPOT ON

[@IJustFiguredThisOut]

This tells me you're hooking up with the wrong kind of women.

[@JoeCurreri-mj4mc]

@@IJustFiguredThisOut I don't hook up

[@jamesoakley9333]

​@@IJustFiguredThisOutare you against accountability

[@UncleBobbo]

"My body, my choice" and "my paycheck, my choice" are the same argument. Men earn their paychecks through labor, which is their body being used against their will to support a child that they may not have wanted. If women can choose to end a pregnancy with no consequences because they dont want it to affect their body then men should be able to choose not to support a child because the labor required to do so would also affect theirs.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

But once a woman terminates a pregnancy, there is nothing afterwards. It's a 'back to square one' situation. Is that just as true when a woman goes through labor and gives birth? Isn't there a dependent child involved (assuming she doesnt give it up for adoption)? Shared responsibility makes parenthood itself less of a burden - especially financially. Do we really need more 'deadbeat dads' then there are already?

[@anonanonymous1988]

​@@wylierichardson-tu6zs I think you are missing the point. Both parents are responsible for the life of their offspring. Neither should be allowed. Dave was pointing out the hypocrisy of only holding the father to account.

[@SeaJackson]

That last line is so important “And if I’m wrong then maybe we’re wrong”.

[@robertingersoll3039]

Chappelle and Rock make compelling arguments for pro life through their sets, respect.

[@wkadalie]

Yeah...and funny how the audience doesn't even realize they're arguments are being shot down.

[@marthamorales6445]

As long as you don't forget you red blooded americans... you're taking your advice from a devout Muslim, you know, the people we couldn't drone fast enough a minute ago, and a severely autistic punching bag

[@TrevJ91]

Chappelle literally said it’s the right of the mother and men should stay out of it. That is not a pro life argument 😂 Do you not even know what you believe?🤦‍♂️

[@marthamorales6445]

@TrevJ91 you're talking about a manbearpig of a woman whose only route of impregnation is via turkey baster, of course she's confused and only hears what she wants to.

[@omarmaery2049]

​@@TrevJ91u need to work on your comprehension.

[@ricobonifacio1095]

Dave was really smart on that joke. The crowd didn't even realize it until the end. Some probably had it go over their heads even after the punchline haha

[@southbug27]

No, he didn’t squash fatherhood. You completely missed the comedy genius of Dave Chappelle at work.

[@jon6car]

When did they say it squashed fatherhood?

[@alexryan43244]

@@jon6car exactly

[@vashmatrix5769]

God bless all of you standing in opposition to their cult against babies!

[@domx7zero157]

Another proof that every pro life people are religious, religion has always tried to control other people instead of being a personal way of life.

[@JoseHerrera-vs8nv]

Baby Phobic ? ?

[@therealtrinsetter]

For people saying “ It’s comedy don’t take it so serious”, just know that’s there’s a truth behind every joke. Especially when it comes to Dave Chapelle. He’s a master at disguising truths with comedy

[@TheGuitarChief]

Remember back when child support started @ conception because the 2 parents were already married? Wild times...

[@Ynox54321]

you did not seriously write "@" instead of "at"

[@theregoesatenner]

@@Ynox54321but guitar chef did. that’s literally what happened.

[@nellybean69]

@@Ynox54321How old are you? @ is a common abbreviation for “at” and has been long before the internet came along.

[@chriskirchhoff2718]

Why does a two letter word need an abbreviation?​@@nellybean69

[@timh8324]

There is a Florida father fighting for custody of toddler after he claimed girl’s mom told him she died and put her up for adoption. I think the custody battle has been 3 years now.

[@jamesacomb993]

Bill Bure would tell the audience: ‘don’t climb into the trunk of the car until you vet me’. They walked right into his trap

[@krisdavis3888]

Ok, I HAVE to know the context for that joke as a Bill Burr fan..

[@morvek]

love it all the whooping and cheering from the women in the stands turned deafly silent when he said men can abandon the irony is just too good.

[@EverydayWithBobby]

You backed up Dave’s sentiment really really well. Although he was strictly joking, his punchline does raise some questions. Very insightful input Kristan!

[@michaeldavis3819]

I think the biggest problem starts with the fact that we always refer to the child as "her baby" rather than "their/our baby." The very language we use strips the man of his rights to be a father and be involved in the raising of the child, but while having none of the rights of parenthood our system shackles him with all the responsibility. No choice but full responsibility is wrong. Even worse, this language strips the child automatically of a relationship with his/her father. A child is not an object. A child should have a mother AND a father.

[@askthehealerofthebroken4516]

"If I'm wrong, maybe we are both wrong. Think that @#& out." That's deep.

[@jm-zf2gy]

the way the "my choice" abirtion argument was placed parallel to the abortion argument was pretty much genius. It illustrates how some women want the right to dictate both sides of the argument. well done

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

Child support laws were invented by the courts, not pro-choice activists.

[@jamesSmith-fl5wv]

A woman killed my child in an abortion and didn't give me the chance to raise it. Men should have the right to raise their children.

[@MF_DOOMer]

Dave Chappelle is a comedic technician. Reeled in the audience and used their logic against them.

[@chrisendsley5724]

As a full time divorced father of 2 I've had custody for 13 plus years and never got .10$ in child support. Oh their mom is alive and well but adds nothing to their life. It's her choice not mine. I even carry them to visit every year, their grandma gave me 50$ for gas 1 year had to use it to pay someone else that has money to carry us home around 200 miles away. We lost our car on the way there it just didn't make it.

[@eathanfoncannon1931]

Keep being a great father, brother

[@chrisendsley5724]

Yeah the funny thing is I've had 0 dates since then. Women deserves a man's time well myself I only have time/money for my kids. So last time I got laid I made my son that will be 15 in a few months. LOL

[@screamskilos3951]

​@@chrisendsley5724bro why didnt you sue the bitch for Child support, you know damn well she wouldve. Child support money would give you more time with the children and for yourself... We men do this to ourselves... you really setting us back man.

[@Tikolico]

Please, never stop being a decent human being.

[@therealog.1255]

The guy is right. If men have no say on whether or not a woman should have an abortion, then women have no say on whether or not a man should pay child support. Fair is Fair

[@dhenderson1810]

So you don't want to support your child? The child is the real victim here. He or she did nothing wrong. You would financially support your children if you were still married to her, so does that mean if the marriage breaks up, you won't provide for your kids anymore?

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

@@dhenderson1810 *But he is not married to the women, nor does he want to be a father.* So, he should be able to opt out in a similar timespan the mother can opt out.

[@dhenderson1810]

@@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808 I thought that it only applies when you are married, and that merely living with them isn't enough under the law.

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

@@dhenderson1810 No, a man can be forced into unwanted fatherhood in or outside marriage. And the consequences can be severe for the man, including loss of wages, job, freedom & homelessness.

[@lennox283329]

MY MONEY, MY CHOICE!!

[@adityaronanki4682]

A-fucking-men my friend ✋️

[@dhenderson1810]

So do you choose to financially support your children?

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

@@dhenderson1810 *No, not if I don't want to be a father and the women is trying to baby-trap me.* She can pay for the kid herself or legally abandon it at the local hospital or fire station.

[@dhenderson1810]

@@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808 You stuck your member in. Keep your pants on and this won't happen.

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

@@dhenderson1810 *Whether you like it or not, sex and reproduction are seperate.* If women can have sex and opt out of parenthood, then so can men. End of debate.

[@madtingftredd3287]

As a man, it’s truly painful to know that your first child is being terminated. My girlfriend revealed that she had an abortion with our first child. At first, I contemplated leaving her, but when I witnessed the pain she was going through from the medical abortion, I decided to stand by her side, be a better partner, and help her get back on her feet with love and support. I was there for her 24/7 because she was deeply depressed. She had initially thought that having an abortion was the right decision for her career, but now she regrets it. Ladies undergoing an abortion can have psychological and emotional consequences for both parents, as it's not a natural or easy decision. It's important for couples to communicate openly and consider alternatives, seeking support and professional guidance.

[@georgehughes5703]

Eh?

[@totalfutbol-9jamade379]

Am officially a Subscriber....... Bless you fir speaking the truth..... Going to look for that entire Day podcast at Whatever Podcast

[@sullysosavage365]

Destiny's face after the clip was finished lookin' like "fuck....he's not wrong" 🤣

[@MickeyAbraham2022]

I can’t believe that ripping a baby out of a mothers stomach is a controversial topic

[@chrisss3749]

Look don’t be disingenuous with your hyperbolic language as well or you’re just as bad as those who say it’s not killing a baby. Most abortions are from a pill which induces a miscarriage. Not ripped from the womb.

[@stuffmcstuff399]

In most cases you aren't. 99.99% of abortions occur in the 9-11 week period.

[@jracee1]

That reminds me of a joke.

[@MickeyAbraham2022]

@@mikemiller2710 to me it just seems so barbaric to end the life of the baby while it’s inside its mom!!!!

[@MickeyAbraham2022]

@mikemiller2710 Thank you for correcting me Mike! I didn’t realize the baby wasn’t fully formed when its life is brutally and unjustly ended. I can see why the moniker of “dunce cap” is applicable for me.

[@TwilightxKnight13]

People, I figured this issue out a long time ago. The first problem with the issue is that the two sides are not arguing about the same thing. The conservative side wants to protect the life of the child. Yes, it is a child, albeit a developing one. The liberal side wants the women to have autonomy over her own body. Yes, she has that right. No person can be FORCED to do something to their own body without due process. Period, full stop. Now, that being said, we need to focus on what the two sides want to get out of the issue and how to compromise. It is very simple. The woman maintains the right to chose to have the fetus REMOVED from her body, but she does not have the right to intentionally kill it during the process. We have the medical technology to care for premature babies. A woman should have the right to have a fetus removed at any time, for whatever reason she chooses, but the medical staff must provide that fetus with the same level of health care as any other person receives. The fetus is a person and therefore has the same protections under the law as anyone else. We allow a mother to simply abandon their child at a fire station, police station, etc. so there is no reason why we cannot allow a woman to abandon her child during the pregnancy. If the child survives, then it becomes a ward of the state just like any other orphaned child. If it does not survive, then it was not meant to be. This process would meet the demands of both sides of the political issue while protecting the constitutional rights of the fetus. It would eliminate the hypocrisy inherent in both the pro-life and pro-choice groups.

[@crispy-qx5oi]

jesus fuck finally someone that actually is sane and see through the bullshit. you hit the nail on the head. its the same with immigration. the funny thing about liberals and conservatives is that liberals view empathy, feeling and emotion highly while conservatives view emotion and feeling as weakness and would rather stick with facts. to have a society function you need both.

[@paulkeller6913]

One point brought up was men should have to start paying child support while the woman is pregnant. If that is the case then the money should go into an account until the baby is born and a dna test is done. That way if the guy is not the father he gets to keep the money and it is on the woman who lied to find the real father. DNA tests should be performed at birth by law before any man signs a birth certificate saying the child is his.

[@meanolddog9912]

Chapelle hit the bull with that one. I bet there would be a lot less fatherless "families" if men in the US could opt out of child support. Semper Fi!

[@heathermeister1732]

It took me a while to understand your comment. But I get it now. I think people who are not in the situation dont realize how easy it is to get out of paying child support. That is if you dont mind being somewhat of a loser, job wise. Many of these single parent homes start with young people who never to develop the self esteem to get a good education, and become productive citizens. Our culture has this kids having sex and getting pregnant before they are old enough to know there own potential. Luckily they are also not so hardened ny the world that abortion is their first choice. So they settle into there roles as single mom n baby dad and hope for the best.I was raised in a two parrnt family and went to college despite having a baby. My daughter had her child at about the same age as I had her. I got $17 of child support her whole life, until her dad died and I got $200 a month for the last year and a half till she turned 18. Her child is 17 and she has gotten a couple hundred dollars sporadically. My point is I think most women know they will have state funded medical and foodstamps and have to keep their income low enough to qualify because they'll never make enough money to pay for all that and child care and rent. This is why abortion is so popular.

[@georgehughes5703]

​@heathermeister1732 hopefully that destructive cycle will, one day, be broken.

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

@@heathermeister1732 *But welfare, Section 8 & Child support provide a perverse incentive for women to have kids out of wedlock.* That is why all 3 programs should be defunded and abolished.

[@jenniferleigh9363]

Or,,,or just be more responsible and use birth control? Condoms? Abstinence? The list goes on and on of how to avoid pregnancy, men and women 🤷‍♀️

[@corteznelson9873]

But the woman is the sole decision make on if the baby is here or not

[@albertbecerra]

​@corteznelson9873 well they're the gatekeeper of sex, which abstinence is just 100% full proof of no pregnancy

[@user-np3cp2cb7u]

even Drake put hot sauce in his condom, he's still get sued by woman who wanted to preg-trap him. what's your point?

[@albertbecerra]

@user-np3cp2cb7u wait.... what does that have to do with alternatives other than abortion?

[@GFMZay97]

Condoms can still pop, and the after affects on women from using birth control are not so good, it's easy to say that but reality shows something different 9 times out of 10 try again fool😂

[@moon83star30]

I don't get why men don't get a say in the case of abortion. How did you get pregnant? It was with a man. Without that man, you aren't getting pregnant. It also doesn't make sense that they have to pay child support if they don't want the baby. It is also bs that if a man wanted a woman to get an abortion, he is seen and labeled a piece of shit, oh but if a woman wants to get an abortion it's her choice, she isn't a piece of shit. You have to support her decision. I'm sorry, a woman who wants to kill her baby is the lowest, most disgusting excuse for a human being. I think if the man wants to keep the baby and the woman doesn't, they should sign a contract that she gives up her parental rights and she is now a surrogate and should be paid like a surrogate. Once she has the baby, she is legally obligated to give the baby to the father. If the father doesn't want the baby, but the mother does, then he should sign a contract waving his parental rights and not have to pay child support.

[@JuanRodriguez-bx8yp]

kristans face the entire time she’s listening to Dave talk is funny asf… you can see that it really bothered her 😂😂

[@MrTsukudu]

She prolly has a few under her belt

[@stvargas69]

If you want to be treated equally, or have equity( which are 2 different things) then you should treat men with equal expectations. My body my choice. I use my mind my body to make money. So its only fair.

[@rod3134]

I've just had a wonderful insight to solve this issue!!! Don't get pregnant or have children until you are married 😅😂😂

[@rndm9747]

Destiny was awfully quiet on that one ... 🤔

[@michaelm6179]

More like they cut the video after the first panelist lol.

[@masilomoshesh1475]

Were you expecting him to rudely speak over her or something?

[@onikageTK]

He looked uncomfortable

[@leed4162]

They edited out his response and he was being respectful.

[@DaDitka]

Chappelle is a fair man, which is one reason why I appreciate him and others like him. He has no problem expressing what he thinks about issues while giving as much time and consideration to the other side of the argument. If all of us could do like Dave Chappelle, we could get more things done in a good manner. I may not always agree, but he does represent the other side well. Thank you.

[@thewestfire9729]

I don’t think child support should begin at conception for the reason that it might not be his child. Child support should begin after a DNA test

[@yorky1982]

Facts

[@THEALLIANCEZERG]

Being a man, doesn't mean you can't share your opinion of certain social issues. We don't do that with women. We don't tell women to shut up on male specific issues.

[@azoleyehirooni11]

How did nobody laugh at this? It was funny as hell! Truthful and hilarious! Where’s their sense of humor?

[@ee1014]

Blue hair dude laughed but then pretended not to laugh.

[@shihoblade]

They are in the middle of a hostile debate where they spent like 2 hours just yelling over each other. Perhaps they arent in a jovial state of mind.

[@MadMax-ii8gq]

Destiny was laughing.

[@SuperhumanCyberRy]

Exactly, I was like am I tripping?! lol Dave nailed it completely. It was hilarious and expertly crafted.

[@mariemarie3614]

...you can find something funny and not laugh out loud 💯

[@moshpitgod6536]

If women can prove it's ours at conception, I'll gladly give my support at conception. I have 2 kids and I had no doubt that they were mine, but I couldn't add them to my insurance at work until they're born. And then the insurance just back dates the start time to right before the birth. Of course I also believe that child support, alimony and welfare need to go away, just like we need to get ride of no-fault divorce and make child custody automatically 50/50 or to the parent that can financially support the child. While we're at it, we should make prenups and dna tests mandatory.

[@Alabamahobo]

I feel like this should have been a 1v1 debate with just Kristan and Destiny. Also, the reason why arbitrary lines of personhood are meaningless is because every human being (person) alive today came into existence during conception and they are the same person now that they were as a teenager, a toddler, and as a fetus. The only thing that changes is their current stage of development. The stage of development you happen to be in at the moment doesnt change who or what you are

[@alienbotfarm187]

Technically your a new person every 7 years or so....

[@Sic-Semper-Tyranniss]

@@alienbotfarm187excluding your brain. There are some forms of adult human neurogenesis but it certainly does not occur to the extent of renewing the entirety of your cranial nerve tissue throughout your entire life, let alone 7 years.

[@Sic-Semper-Tyranniss]

Good to know you didn’t comprehend or listen to Destiny’s arguments whatsoever

[@Alabamahobo]

@@Sic-Semper-Tyranniss hes saying personhood doesnt exist until the capacity for experience exists. Im saying your body comes into existence at conception and you and your body are the same thing. Any other definition of personhood is arbitrary and meaningless. It doesnt matter which stage of development you happen to be in at the moment, you are still you.

[@anthonyhiscox]

​​@@Alabamahoboincluding when you are on life support and cease all brain activity. I guess you're paying to keep the vegetables alive indefinitely?

[@lordofgingers]

Consistency is the point. Pro life is at least consistent. For pro choice to be consistent, it must be as Dave says. That is fair

[@jasonrodgers880]

I notice most people miss the last line: “and if that doesn’t make any sense, then perhaps we’re wrong.” Which side you’re on set apart, are you being logically consistent? That should be your benchmark

[@RT-qz5ci]

Spot on bro. Everyone missed that. Dave lowkey said abortion is wrong but he did it in such a clever way many people missed it. Its clear where he stands and his point was valid.

[@patrickhall6627]

@@RT-qz5ci Correct. It is clear from the comments section here that SO many people didn't get that point.

[@pdzh]

I am a deputy reserve in SD. we were trained about fire station child surrender, I am obligated to take a child from public no questions asked. now, I can take it from a man or a woman and we are not allowed to investigate the parents. so, just like a woman can leave a child to the system, so do men. we will not start looking for a woman if a man brings a child and vise-versa. the only exception is if the other parent is actively looking for that child. so for example: if a woman surrendered her child, and sometime later (I cant remember the time window) a man shows up looking for his child, we must give that man a first chance to care for the child, and vice-versa if a man surrenders the child, and if mother is looking for her child, she gets the first choice for care for the child.

[@jordan9378]

Aqui no Brasi ainda há uma voz de resistência contra a cultura do aborto. Obrigado, Kristan, pela inspiração que você tem se tornado.

[@sea2959]

Kristan trabalho em prol da eleição de George Bush...ou seja...devia estar escondida em casa e calar a boca dela pra sempre

[@ds.n.995]

'Cultura do aborto' 🤦

[@luvmydeck]

Women have choices, Men have obligations. What a world we live in.

[@millyardopeacecraft9778]

Had a woman in my 20s abort two of our kids without telling me. psychologically rocked me for many years. i was 24. Im 40 now.

[@itsdutchintime1907]

Im sorry for your losses.

[@domx7zero157]

Not telling you sucks, having the abortions is her choice and should not be argued.

[@bartomiejmierzejewski2999]

Lol i cant imagine to not argue for my childs life.

[@selmahare]

That’s why kids should be planned and protection should be used. You guys didn’t use protection when clearly one of you didn’t want to be a parent, so you both paid the consequences of your own actions! I hope that you have learnt your lessons, wrap it up!

[@millyardopeacecraft9778]

@@domx7zero157 You're completely wrong.

[@darrellwilliams1714]

It never made sense that she can opt out at anytime with no repercussions. But the man never can.

[@tripstar3563]

Dave spitting 100% facts

[@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808]

*Women's body, Women's choice, Women's responsibility.*

[@joem61]

Q: Name one right that a man has that a woman doesn't. A: ...uhhh... Q: Name one right that a woman has that a man doesn't. A: The right to opt out of parenthood.

[@MrProsat]

Its funny on the surface, but it really explains the culture. Neither side wants to take responsibility for their actions and it just perpetuates the hook up attitude on BOTH sides.

[@MylesKillis]

Um conservatives definitely want to take responsibility

[@TheCentralScrutinizerAgain]

traditional Conservative Men want a traditional Family, we just can`t get it in The West. We know our worth

[@domx7zero157]

No, they want to control other people, big difference. They never take responsibility for that.@@MylesKillis

[@domx7zero157]

Not everyone wants to, you can't force them to be like you.@@TheCentralScrutinizerAgain

[@troynunley8161]

ProChoice "My body, my choice." Also ProChoice "My choice, your responsibility." Chappelle "Your choices YOUR responsibility." ProLife "It's a child. Not a choice."

[@ojomoolaitan1683]

I so love dave, give them something to think about. All of sudden child support is an extortion scheme👌🏼

[@StripedSooner]

Once you decide to perform the act that creates babies, if one gets created it matters more than you do, and comes first. Legal obligation to do whatever is best for the kid, from both parents, should absolutely be mandatory. Child abuse, abandonment, neglect, and especially hiring a fucking hit man to kill it, should all be met with legal consequences.

[@joemetro352]

If we're not a patriarchy, we're a matriarchy

[@nicko9725]

We 100% live in a matriarchy in America

[@angelroms1991]

It's going to idiocrathy.

[@JRico831]

Child support at conception is dumb. No dna test no child support, period. Too many men end up getting locked into child support for years until they prove the kid isn’t theirs, then still have to pay the child support until the time it was proven they weren’t the father 🤦‍♂️

[@billyjonesy2972]

I don't have to be a Hebrew to say that the Holocaust was bad. Why should I have to be a woman to say that killing a fetus is bad? “ Is there one of you who is going to say that you don't want a doctor to treat you for cancer unless he himself has had cancer?” - Milton Friedman

[@mattoniy2840]

It’s actually very worrying how many women champion killing babies like this..

[@JFK-ir7yz]

I’m really enjoying your podcasts ! And well done having Kristan Hawkins!! Best guest yet!

[@answer4256]

Except her statement was counter to what Dave said about the option to pay child support! Go back and actually listen to what she said, she says she for putting the man on child support at CONCEPTION! So in othercwords she for giving men absolutely no choice!

[@JFK-ir7yz]

Like I said, best guest yet

[@Longjohnsilver58]

I love how KZbin adds their context and fact check nonsense as if the rest of us don’t just roll our eyes and ignore them. Nobody likes a know-it-all, especially one that seldom does.

[@ashade2877]

Hahahaha Destiny was not happy with that clip. He was not sure how to respond to that one lol.

[@jamesb3513]

I like how no one on the panel laughed. That was a funny joke.

[@ClintLock1]

funnier if you're in a room full of cheering pro-choicers

[@treal9988]

I ain’t paying nothing until a paternity test is done women sleeping around to much

[@ameliam7898]

How does anyone take destiny seriously?

[@sksaddrakk5183]

We don't

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

Yeah because he has great points if you ask hin

[@GhostsDontWalk1]

So Destiny is the name of one of the men? I've seen a lot of women with the name "Destiny," but this is the first time I've ever seen a man with the name. Poor bloke. XD

[@cassiecaradoc2070]

This conversation just reveals the depth of how fallen we are. You know who doesn't have a conversation about when child support should begin? A married couple, talking about their child in the womb. All of this... all of these abortion debates, all of these men's rights debates, all come out of the debasement of marriage as an institution, which itself comes from a removal of God from that institution (and from other institutions, including many churches).

[@rianmacdonald9454]

Really, you may want to read your bible to see first hand what your god thinks of marriage. Lets hope your husband doesn't follow the bible's lesson for marriage - as that would be one very horrible marriage for you. People like you who have to praise your god and church and state every problem is due to people not believing and going to church are complete utter morons. As I said, I think you should read your bible - ALL OF IT - rather than let some priest cherry pick what he reads to you - as the bible has some fucked up things for marriage. For example - there is no such thing as marital rape, also a man can beat his wife for disobedience - that is only two issue stated - do you really want to hold the bible up for a guide to marriage? Shall we reset society back 1000 years in morals? All of the protection women have had in the las 100 years, has been from people WHO WALKED AWAY FROM THE CHURCH, you know atheist values and morals - not christian/god/church views of women being property(Which has been the norm for human history - only the last 100 years or so, has that changed). So I will ask you again, and think about what you are asking - Do you really want to hold your god/church and bible up as the example to hold too?

[@TheCentralScrutinizerAgain]

a lot of churches have been compromised with modern destructive thinking nowadays. choose carefully.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

Marriage is a man-made institution tho. It's alluded to in the bible, yes, but it was created by humans.

[@Shifterwizard]

If men cannot have a say in the topic of abortion, then non-slave-owners cannot have a say in the topic of slavery. That's fair - both women and slave owners regarded a certain group of humans as their property, and considered treating that group of humans like people to be a violation of their rights.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

It's a moot point, as slavery has been outlawed for eons now.

[@dredey1971]

If you just want to choose what man you have a baby with, without his consent, "just say that". Oh, and that lady next to her was dying to rebut the truth of the matter.

[@fauxque5057]

Yeah I was anxiously awaiting what she had to say. Her body language showed that it would have been entertaining. Probably why they cut it short.

[@BenVVMMXXIII]

0:48 did she say consciencenous and thought it was funny??? 😂😂😂

[@joenino3]

She talked right through the punch line

[@edaboodie6346]

As usual, Chappelle making perfect sense with the perfect twist of humor.

[@allgf]

How can anybody say killing babies is right ....come on people wake up😊

[@josephperez4249]

How many kids in the system have you adopted?

[@allgf]

@@josephperez4249 100

[@Mr_megido]

@@allgf damn😮

[@JDAfrica]

I never had sex till I was 17, never had dated before. Met a friend of a friend, we hooked up - before, I asked her if she was on the pill - she said she was allergic to the coating. I asked if we use condoms - she said she was latex-insensitive. I said, well, I’m 17 and I don’t want kids… she said, ‘don’t worry, if something happens I’ll take a morning after pill or do an early termination” 4 weeks later, she got hold of me at work, said she’s pregnant and keeping it ‘as a way to remember me’ At 18, I started paying child support, and made my final payment at 40. It was the first time in my life that I got to keep my entire salary. I’ve paid for over 20 years for a mistake of trusting someone at 17 I spent every 8 months in court for 20 years fighting maintenance increases and dealing with lawyers… I’ve paid and equivalent of a mortgage/house in maintenance.

[@kathyburnett2343]

He nailed it. And way too many types of birth control out there to keep from getting pregnant unless you want to. Of course there will always be special circumstances where an abortion needs to take place but come on people get it together and wear a condom at least.

[@SodiumSyndicate]

Just be virgin until marriage.

[@TheSilentserpent]

@@SodiumSyndicate marriage is a scam and please but PLEASE lets stop playing puritans.

[@SodiumSyndicate]

@@TheSilentserpent You don't like virgin girls?

[@nickchemist723]

@SodiumSyndicate , no man with a brain cell is getting married anymore . No benefit whatsoever to a man getting married

[@taurusteelpan]

And if the condom fails? Do men get legal rights to abandon fetuses? Still no? Then why bring up an irrelevant point to the issue? Women can also fail in providing herself with birth control, since they're MORE options of birth control for them. Yet, despite not taking precautions women can STILL relinquish they're responsibilities of parenthood either by abortion, adoption, or straight out abandonment.

[@robb4044]

I disagree with a lot of what chapel said. Abortion is not a right. And the father should absolutely have a say in the matter the child is his too. But the last part is completely valid. If the woman shouldn’t be forced to birth the child,if she chooses to toe man shouldn’t be forced to support the child. Now personally I believe that if a woman gets pregnant the man should support the child in part. And if the woman wants to murder the child there should be a requirement that the father agree with her. I mean if Y’all want to play stupid games with this play fair.

[@KingOfGamesss]

Kristan, ask Destiny about a hypothetical "Titanic sinking" scenario between two random "BORN PEOPLE" ("Bornies")...a 9 Year-Old and a 90 Year-Old and which one should take the Life-Boat seat

[@KingOfGamesss]

...and if he says "obviously"the 9 Year-Old because they can both feel Pain & Fear during their deaths (Unlike unborn Human fetuses)"...then you counter with: "...the Key-Word in your sentence is 'CAN'...what if...they were knocked out with sleeping gas first before being administered a Lethal-Dose of 'Morphine' so they weren't conscious or aware of their Death at all...they didn't feel any pain"

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

Save one: A seven year old Or 100 embryos that you could guarantee would become people.

[@KingOfGamesss]

@@MarshalllWalk3r "Save one"?...or else what...you'll beat me up if I try to save all of them?...no I refuse your command for me to only try to save one...OR DID YOU MEAN TO ASK WHICH ONE I WOULD TRY TO SAVE FIRST?

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

@@KingOfGamesss < JEEEEESUS You can only save one. Which would you save?

[@KingOfGamesss]

@@MarshalllWalk3r WHY can I only save one?...give me a scenario. Unless there's a reason then I'll try to save ALL. By the way the embryos are ALREADY growing People...they're not "Going to become"...and also There's NO WAY to 100% "Guarantee" their Future...the Future is ALWAYS uncertain

[@Alexanderthegreat159]

The difference between men and women and a lot of this stuff is the fact that men are forced to take responsibility. Women are allowed to do whatever they want with their bad choices. Me personally I'd rather have everybody take responsibility than no one but if half of us doesn't have to take responsibility for what they do then all of us shouldn't. Just as simple as that

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

Every pregnancy requires a 'response' of some kind. There are two that give both the mother and father a 'way out' - abortion or carrying the baby and giving it up for adoption / foster care.

[@tinabena17]

Doctors take oath to protect life.

[@jaco7675]

Yeah, but that isn’t life, it’s just a clump of cells … which just happens to look like “life”

[@fatmonkey4716]

​@@jaco7675Everything is a clump of cells. This clump of cells turns into a human if the mother doesn't murder it.

[@dingus6317]

@@jaco7675by that logic so are comatose people

[@jaco7675]

@@dingus6317 That was supposed to be a sarcastic comment, but it’s kind of hard to infer that on an internet comment

[@leed4162]

Of the person. Which isn't the fetus in this case.

[@flamenmartialis6839]

Child support should begin at conception? So if a woman have a misscarriage in the 7th month will she return the money to the prospective father. Also if the woman have slept with several men should all pay the full amount or pay parts and when the father is established shall he pay the other back their parts?

[@burnttoast1076]

Don’t have sex before marriage people…

[@gg1648]

Haha what if ur attractive to others tho??

[@fatmonkey4716]

​@@gg1648I bet fat fat people are attracted to sweets. Should they indulge endlessly?

[@dingus6317]

@@gg1648Then still don’t?

[@gg1648]

@@dingus6317 😂😂😂 yeah sure 😁

[@domx7zero157]

What if you don't want or can't get married? Marriage is a religious concept and not everyone is religious... how's that so hard to understand for you people?

[@experiment0789]

That's the real Ironic thing, at least it would be if most of us were smart enough to get the joke, If that isn't a baby and the abortion is aloud, then why should I give you child support, its just a "clump of cells" isn't it? And if it is a baby then you don't have a right to kill it, just like how there is no right to kill anyone or to deny anyone their life,liberty, and pursuit of happiness, all three of which are denied by an abortion.

[@jasonmarlowe6817]

I find it awkward that many liberals vote against the death penalty but support abortion. Think about that deeply and try to rationalize your thoughts in a real debate

[@EricSmyth4Christ]

You would like proverbs 17 15 It hits pretty hard with this comment

[@jasonmarlowe6817]

@@EricSmyth4Christ Great reference 👍 Satan is hard at work to deceive people into what is right vs what is wrong, unfortunately many fall for the tricks. Not me. I'll admit I'm not well versed in the bible but I'm not the type to allow myself to be deceived by evil easily.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

you probably mean 'ironic'. that doesnt invalidate any given position on either issue, tho. You could just as easily point out the so-called 'sanctity of life' argument used by conservatives against abortion, or them pointing out that we are 'playing god' by giving women abortion access. If all life is 'sacred', that would include all living people - even people in the criminal justice system. We are also 'playing god' by executing criminals.

[@domx7zero157]

Another proof that every pro life people are christians and like every christians, they want to control everyone's lives.@@jasonmarlowe6817

[@innerself3796]

Pay at conception? Is she CRAZY? Yes, she is. With as many women that lie about paternity, paying at conception is a ridiculous concept.

[@mayorrodgers7446]

Well, my first child was murdered before it had a chance to even breathe its first breath. I think I should’ve had something to say about that.

[@Erebus008]

That sucks man, hope you're doin well.

[@mayorrodgers7446]

@@Erebus008 I’m a blessed man. I ended up getting married and having six kids in, but I will not for a moment pretend, nor am I being dramatic, when I say that it is still a pain that I feel.

[@Erebus008]

@@mayorrodgers7446 Nor should you, it is a genuine pain. Happy for you bro. God bless you and you're family.

[@Smoksomhashi]

Nice to hear a woman speak with logic .... a rare occurrence in this day and age ..

[@J040PL7]

100% of the choice means 100% of the responsibility. If women have 100% of the choice, than the man should have 0% the responsibility to raise it.

[@ethansmallsandthescaldeddo7645]

This was epic

[@antoniotrivelloni8191]

That's...huh, I never thought about it that way. So a woman can abort my kid without even telling me, even if I do want the kid, but I have to pay child support, even if I don't want the kid? How in the hell is THAT fair?

I know about a woman who aborted without telling her boyfriend she was pregnant. He DIDN´T KNOW she was pregnant, and she decided to abort the baby. That should be a crime.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

how can you determine if a pregnant woman has told her partner about her condition, tho? What yardstick could you use?

[@TheCosmicBusker]

I had been homeless 6 straight years because of child support that takes 66% of my income. Welcome to America.

[@keely-lornekirby7370]

God, you didn’t even show anyone else’s responses 🤣 i know 3 seconds later destiny completely calls his opinions bs. But much like you did throughout the entirety of this interview, you won’t let him speak 🤣

[@benpurcell6819]

thank God. I don't want to listen to destiny speak. almost turned the clip off when I saw him

[@keely-lornekirby7370]

@@benpurcell6819 live jn your echo chamber buddy. This women is the most insufferable person to watch converse. She just appeals to emotions and acts morally righteous and condescending. Asks 20 questions at a time and then doesn’t let anyone anyone answer a thing. People who were fans of HER were donating just to say LET HIM SPEAK!!! That’s pretty telling fir how she must regularly conduct herself

[@mehedihasansony]

destiny does not have any intelligence. he is just an argumentative person. and knowing from experience you can provide counter argument to anything weak or strong which destinity does all the time. the problem is when he knowingly provides very weak argument and dont even acknowledge that, shows how ingeniune he is as a person.

[@thomaswalmsley8959]

@@mehedihasansony unlike the two women that couldn't engage in basic hypotheticals in this conversation. You know thats literally considered a sign of low intelligence right. Or if they're actually capable of understanding but refuse to engage, disingenuous.