Reacting to more savage comments about LDS beliefs

[@bfcourage]

I actually LOVED President Nelson’s bday lead up. We were able to talk about the 99+1 and focusing on doing something for the Savior by finding “the one” with our primary kids. Kids LOVE to celebrate birthdays, and this gave them a focus on Christ for their special gift.

[@Zez88]

Yeah not for me and my family. Multiple people I talked too didn't feel good about it. It felt weird and didn't feel right.

[@carmanragatz]

I always find it interesting when non LDS people try making the argument that all you need to do is to accept Jesus in your heart and you will be saved through grace, ignoring all else that the Bible mentions that we need to do, like being baptized and keeping the commandments. As long as you accept Jesus, you’re good! Yet in the same breath they will say that you only have the duration of this life in order to do so. To say “there is still time” is to say “you’re not dead yet, so you can still accept Jesus, but once you’re dead, it’s too late and you won’t be saved.” Contrast that with LDS belief which says that you need to follow Jesus’s example and commandment to be baptized and then do all you can to keep the commandments. But even if you don’t do so before death, that’s okay because there is still time to follow Christ after you die. I grew up Lutheran and while I knew God loved me, I never understood why He loved a “piece of pottery” so much to let His Son suffer and die for me, or what the point of the commandments were if all I needed to do was say “I accept Jesus” in my heart, and how that truly insignificant act made the difference of whether all your dreams became a reality in “heaven” or you were tortured for eternity in “hell” after you die. Such huge consequences for an insignificant object in the universe performing a singular individual act that had absolutely no universal consequence. But when I learned that God loved me because I was literally family, His son, and Christ loved me because He was my brother, the love of God finally made sense. Learning that the purpose of life was to help us grow, becoming more as individual beings, and more importantly, more like our Father to the extent that we could potentially have eternal families of our own made life (and eternity) make sense! I don’t understand why people would have such a huge problem with such a beautiful doctrine, or how/why they would believe anything else!

[@BddJnr]

modern Christians are too stubborn and proud to see that you need to do something to be saved, unfortunately.

[@potentille4525]

I absolutely love your comment!

[@Rhowen02]

ok wow. um so i am a non denominational christian. there are so many things that mormons believe that are so contradictory with the real God breathed scripture. here’s one Luke 13:3: "No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish". i know it’s dark but it’s true. also there’s no where it says that baptism and keeping commandments are necessary for salvation. that is a crazy catholic belief. you will be blessed if you keep the commandments and grow closer to God and baptism is a symbol of your faith. if you respond i can give you direct verses displaying that. and that last part is complete blasphemy. while you are jesus’s brother Matthew 12:48-50: Jesus pointed to his disciples and said, "Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother". you will NOT have your own planet. tell me this. jesus is clearly prophesied in the old testament but why isn’t joseph smith and brigham young prophesied in the old or new testament. maybe there an example of jesus speaking on false prophets Matthew 7:15. Exodus 34:14 for you shall not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. your false prophets are the jealous blasphemous evil racist polygamous god. God loves you and i am praying for you. God died for you and saved your sins because he created you and loves you. why would he not die for you.

[@potentille4525]

@@Rhowen02 when you mentioned Luke 13:3: where does it contradict that baptism is necessary for salvation? Baptism is the logical answer after repentance. The Bible repeats at multiple times that baptism is mandatory for salvation: John 3:5 “Jesus answered, ‘I tell you the truth, unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.’” Acts 22:16 “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.” Romans 6:3-4 “Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” 1 Corinthians 6:11 “And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.” Titus 3:5 “He saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit…”

[@BddJnr]

@ baptism and obeying the commandments is needed, Jesus taught us. John 3:3-5 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Also James 2

[@charleswinter2639]

One of the things I would like to see discussed more often. Is how our church leaders are actually just average every day guys. They may have a lot more spiritual experiences than we do because of the positions they hold. And I love hearing their stories. But I also like hearing their failures. I love hearing how they are just common people with families and how much they love the Lord. But I like hearing their stories when they talk about things that have happened to them in their common every day life. What is your thought on it? I just think from some of the friends I have that are not members of the church That they look at these guys as if they are some kind of saints that we should worship. I love the leaders of the church. I also feed their council when they speak to us in conference. But I also know that they make mistakes the same as I do. And the saviors grace is the same for them as it is for me.

[@gunnaryoung]

"All you need to do is believe in Jesus Christ." "No no! Not like that!"

[@maryannstout7600]

I joined the Church way back in 1962 when I was 11 years old. I have Never Once Doubted having a living prophet and living apostles. It just makes perfect sense to me. If we believe the Bible to be the word of God and they had living prophets then, why not now? And who are they to judge whether or not God can call a man to be a prophet? Does God need their permission on how to run his own Church? They are very arrogant and closed minded. But then, the First Vision didn’t come to them now, did it? It came to Joseph Smith. And Heavenly messengers appeared to Joseph and others, not to them. So they really don’t know how God works. It’s too bad. If they would just open up their hearts and minds, and humble themselves, then Heavenly Father could work a mighty work and a wonder in their lives, too. I’m truly grateful and blessed to be a member of this Church. It’s amazing to me how God , indeed, moves in mysterious ways to bring about His Kingdom on Earth. Thank you for your podcast. It’s great. God

[@PeggyWest1127]

Joseph Smith should be proud either way. He died to give me the greatest gift, a more accurate description of God and Jesus and their character. A clear knowledge of the doctrine of Christ. And if it’s a hoax, I’ve lived a better life because of that hoax. I won’t be upset. The BOM and the gospel have blessed me tremendously.

[@rdancranston]

People who find fault in celebrating the Prophets 100 birthday are swatting at gnats while wasps and hornets swarm. I guarantee you the Lord at judgment day won't ask a single question about how we felt about the celebration of ANYBODY'S birthday...

[@annewandering]

I loved the whole celebration of his 100th! So fun and exciting! If my mom or dad had reached 100 I would have been excited too!

[@fightingfortruth9806]

Jeffrey R Holland actually had a Near Death Experience and came back with more conviction than ever that our church was true.

[@pizzatheface]

Love your content! Here’s another “savage” comment for a future video: AI says you used the word “like” 112 times, and I think it undercounted.

[@kaylahall1219]

0:14 first time I kissed my husband was over the alter of the temple….. before that he wasn’t my husband! 🤣

[@dinocollins720]

Another fantastic video... thanks!

[@SaintsUnscripted]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the support!

[@kre03]

I'm confident that the leaders of the church were led by the spirit to determine the best way to celebrate President Nelson's birthday and what they did was the result of that. I think people look for reasons to shame the church and its members for how prophets are treated. It is not worshipping a golden calf or prophet worshipping to honor the accomplishments of a prophet who has turned 100. It is an amazing thing to have a prophet of God leading the church at the age of 100. This has not happened since the church was restored. It should be celebrated.

[@captnbassbeard]

Based take

[@toriweiler1950]

👍🏻💜

[@josephjanson4753]

It is prophet worship when some members and videos are saying he’s 100 because he’s a prophet. As if because he is more “holy” or some BS like that, that is why he lived so long. That’s just super silly since millions have lived to 100 who are not “prophets”, and also very much like worship.

[@captnbassbeard]

@@josephjanson4753 The Lord preserves his people idk what to tell you. that's kinda a leap in logic to associate that with worship, last time I checked we don't pray or do anything in his name or anything like that.

[@josephjanson4753]

@@captnbassbeardthe lord preserves his people? Come on. So no one in the world has ever lived to 100 unless they were Mormon? 🙄

[@dallinbeveridge9269]

An idea for Keystone. A video outlining Joseph Smiths education. Maybe overplayed on a time line with events from his life. For example, How much education did he have when he published the BOM? The Book of Abraham? Etc...

[@steventaylor9475]

Let's not just stop at his education, but let's outline the education of those around him and the potential impact of their ideologies could have had. Let's also look at his whole life. And examine what laws he broke to get arrested both times. Let's also examine who John Bennett was, why Oliver was excommunicated, why William law's business was destroyed, who porter Rockwell attempted to assassinate, and through explanation of what treasure digging is and why it was illegal.

[@brettmajeske3525]

@@steventaylor9475 Most of those topics have already been covered in the Faith and Belief videos.

[@steventaylor9475]

@brettmajeske3525 covered doesn't mean they got rid of the problems. You can't accept JS's polygamy without accepting Warren Jeff's polygamy. They look the same. Helping people to understand that following the requirements of the guardian Spirit (treasure digging) is indistinguishable from doing exactly what the spirit Moroni asked for in order to get the gold plates.

[@brettmajeske3525]

@@steventaylor9475 You want the channel to discuss certain topics, I was just saying they have been.

[@kre03]

Wilson doesn't realize that the argument he's making to kiss before being in a romantic relationship with someone is the same argument people use for living with someone before you get married. "I can't get married to someone without living with them first because what if I don't like this or that about them. Then it's too late." Kissing on the lips before being in a serious committed romantic relationship with someone can definitely lead to attachment and ignoring things that are wrong with the relationship. I've never heard that said before, but I know it is definitely true.

[@vitalykartavykh1003]

I agree with argument that you should live with the person for a while before getting married.

[@IJN-33]

@@vitalykartavykh1003 Research doesn't really support it, but I see the logic at face value.

[@vitalykartavykh1003]

Guys I totally agree about the Godhead vs. Trinity. As for me, it's pretty illogical how a father and a son can be in the same being and coeternal. And if God the Father equals God the Son, how come he came down to earth, got a body and then prayed to Himself in Gethsemany? And then he died and resurrected in a sort of glorified body that He later lost when a part of Him called the Son returned to the other part of Him called the Father to reunite? All those questions are answered by the concept of the Godhead.

[@rdancranston]

Better yet how can He forsake Himself?...they can NEVER answer that question. I have asked numerous Christians who believe in the Trinity that question and they either start blabbering on with a very non coherent answer or they have a different answer.

[@fuzzyshark7513]

And you can’t ever explain it without committing a “heresy,” there’s a whole yt video I watched on it once. He concluded saying, “no one has a good analogy because he’s nothing like we’ve ever seen in the world.” But… He made this world and made us after him. Why would there never be anything that could even be symbolic of their partnership?

[@Jensley_Report]

Regarding the “golden calf” comment for Pres. Nelson’s 100th birthday. Maybe it was a little over-done but many of the people complaining are the same people who enjoy watching celebrity honors. But the post said Jesus needs to receive more honor and celebration. The first Presidency and the Elders who are apostles and the 70 honor our Savior Jesus in their words and lives. Thus that comment seems like nit-picking and maybe because it was for someone who is LDS.

[@Celemimphar]

6:55 I served my mission with elder Henderson, great guy I saw him in the Temple often when I was serving and working there

[@CryptoSurfer]

As far as kissing, I recall an old story attributed to Legrand Richards when speaking to a group of young adult men that they shouldn’t kiss a girl that they are not engaged to or married to, otherwise they are just licking the butter off of someone else’s bread. 😂😂

[@cinnamondan4984]

Even if the Church is not true in the way members interpret it as being…I agree, then well done. I’d say that because the faith has had such a positive impact on so many people. He tricked people into being more loving so hard.

[@fuzzyshark7513]

And he did in 60 days with no education above 3rd grade, and no rewrites of the BOM

[@kre03]

"A related reason The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is excluded from the Christian category by some is because we believe, as did the ancient prophets and apostles, in an embodied-but certainly glorified-God. To those who criticize this scripturally based belief, I ask at least rhetorically: If the idea of an embodied God is repugnant, why are the central doctrines and singularly most distinguishing characteristics of all Christianity the Incarnation, the Atonement, and the physical Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ? If having a body is not only not needed but not desirable by Deity, why did the Redeemer of mankind redeem His body, redeeming it from the grasp of death and the grave, guaranteeing it would never again be separated from His spirit in time or eternity? Any who dismiss the concept of an embodied God dismiss both the mortal and the resurrected Christ. No one claiming to be a true Christian will want to do that." -- Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent, October 2007 general conference

[@savedbygracethrufaith]

We definitely exclude Mormons from the Christian moniker or category - totally different, some would say fraudulent, Mormon god.

[@fuzzyshark7513]

It’s the same god, we just happen to have a little more info on him. You should feel free to look into him a little more! Or maybe even read our book too…

[@elliek5350]

My comments aside, I enjoyed this episode 😊 Thanks, lads!

[@penelopefreeman6707]

Hi! I commented on Keystone as well. But I wanted to comment here. I’ve been watching Saints Unscripted for a while now, and I’ve always loved Faith/Beliefs segment, especially the videos that cover harder topics (e.g. Polygamy). But I would really you guys to do a video on the topic further. Ive been trying to do more research on church history and doctrine (I’m approaching college soon and really want to be prepared when I hopefully serve a mission), but I recently discovered that men can be sealed to several women (and additionally, women can’t). I know we don’t practice polygamy anymore, and though it’s still definitely controversial, we don’t know everything on that topic so I’ve made my peace on that matter. I still have questions, but it’s not hindering my testimony or anything. HOWEVER, why do we still practice such a polygamy based sealing arrangement? Should I just do my own research? I’ve read a church essay on it, but I didn’t get much out of it. I just would really love a discussion on the topic further if possible. 😁

[@JoshSteimle]

Best moment: The synchronized "uhhh" at 10:17

[@kaylahall1219]

25:20 it’s always darkest before the dawn, my sister. Hang on and give it time

[@cinnamondan4984]

David, if you want to understand the trinity I suggest you pick up a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and give that a read. It is a very approachable book.

[@gingersnaps215]

The Catholic understanding of the Trinity seems to be a bit different than the Protestant version of the Trinity, as far as “substance” goes (if I’m using that correctly). The few Catholics with whom I’ve spoken about this believe Christ is embodied, whereas the Father and Spirit are spirit. Most Protestants (of various denominations) believe they are all spirit, and none are embodied. Then there are those who believe in modalism (which is kinda like truly one being, but three “phases,” like how water can be solid, liquid, or vapor; this is technically a trinitarian heresy). And then there are those who describe the Trinity as partialism (like slices of a pizza; and another heresy), and those who think of it as Social Trinitarianism, which is an awful lot like the Godhead but not quite (I’m not up on the nitty gritty of how social trinitarianism is unlike our concept of the Godhead, but nerdy theologians out there are!) I just get hung up on the three distinct beings in one, and one in three. Which is how I think many of the heresies to explain the Trinity came to be in the first place 🙃

[@JaneHallstrom1]

If God wants to save us entirely by grace without any effort on our part then why does anybody have to profess a belief in anything? That takes a little effort doesn’t it?

[@savedbygracethrufaith]

helps to first believe in a real God who offers salvation by grace. All you have to do is believe in the right Jesus and then the process of sanctification can start through which good deeds will flow. What the Mormon church gets wrong is thinking those good deeds have to happen to earn salvation or exaltation. Well aside from the whole fictional Mormon god thing. Anyway, good luck with that, you’ll fall short. Why do you think so many Mormons struggle with fears of their own celestial worthiness and can never fully repent of their accumulating sin? Heck, I bet you’ll sin just in reading or responding to this. Leave all that nonsense. Instead, come and follow the real Jesus who saves ❤

[@fuzzyshark7513]

@gracenotworkz We do follow the real Jesus! And he’s the same one you do. The way it was explained to me was that God DOES save us through grace, but we have to show our works as a thank you. We have to show him that we value what he did for us and we want to live the way he did! You don’t need to fear not getting into the correct kingdom. One of our prophets during conference explained that he simply puts you in the kingdom with the rules that you’ll be able abide by! Hopefully you make it to the best, but EVERYONE on Earth makes it to SOME degree of glory (unless they deny Holy Ghost, but only if they like had a prophet level testimony of him). Basically, it’s like good, better, best depending on how well you can follow the corresponding rules!!

[@savedbygracethrufaith]

@ you lost at Mormon-you can win with the real Jesus though 😃

[@JaneHallstrom1]

@@savedbygracethrufaith follow him. Call it what you like. Just please follow Him 🙏🧡

[@fuzzyshark7513]

Like if you gave someone a gift, it’s really nice for them to show they like it, say thank you, all that. It doesn’t feel good if they just don’t react! So doing works as kind of like showing gratitude for it. We don’t expect to repay him, we could never repay him, but it’s to show him that we appreciate the gift beyond anything!!!

[@harmonillustration]

Mike and his 2 dogs made the cut! YAY! He is a faithful troll to LDS KZbin. Good to see him get some limelight.

[@warrioroflight6872]

He's a hilarious hypocrite and a flawless example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@TubeFlexMedia]

On Wilsons shot, why does that look like a photo of Dr Zaius on the shelf behind him?

[@JoshSteimle]

Light side, dark side. Once you see it you can't unsee it.

[@ehecken]

That's exactly what they mean! US believers are all just trying to make it home. Some choose different paths. I'm LDS but I try not to get caught up in this "path" or that "path" I just try to stay focused on "Christ" he's the path!!! People will lead you astray every single time!!!

[@savedbygracethrufaith]

Have you looked into the nature of the Mormon god versus the God of the Bible? Have you noticed they are different? So while you are focused on Christ, have you taken time to make sure you are focused or following the right Jesus? Worth the time ❤

[@dylanwilliams2202]

@@savedbygracethrufaith Have you looked into the nature of the Protestant "god" vs the God of the Bible? Have you noticed they are different? While you are focused on Christ, have you taken time to make sure you are focused or following the right Jesus? Worth the time We Latter Day Saints believe in the true God, not the pagan god other Christians believe in.

[@patriciadumont7059]

We believers, not us believers. No offense intended.

[@savedbygracethrufaith]

@@dylanwilliams2202 yes, I follow the real God - that’s why I highlight the Mormon god is fraudulent and fictional. ❤️

[@savedbygracethrufaith]

@@dylanwilliams2202 Mormons are not Christian bruh 😎

[@kaylahall1219]

6:36 Joseph smith, imbecile or secret genius? Jesus, lunatic, liar, or Lord? Both require FAITH

[@hayleybell_author]

Something just hit me . . . If evangelical christians believe that to declare Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you are saved . . . then any member that has faith in the atonement is saved. So why do they care? AAAAAND as I was typing that you both start talking about it. I should just have listened . . . HAHA!

[@RyanMercer]

🤘🤘

[@Jasondirt]

After watching this is 100% believe that Mormons don't understand what grace is what Christians believe about being saved by grace

[@brettmajeske3525]

Then how would you define grace?

[@westonwoodbury3011]

For sure temples and prophet and priesthood pride have been the great stumbling block of this church! Time for us to get of the religious hamster wheel and enter the rest of the lord and his labors.

[@suem6004]

I agree but members do not want to really live the gospel. They do not minister which is the most important calling in the church

[@_Squiggle_]

I found the comments read in this video to be less interesting that previous videos. The comments they read were mostly. 1-2 sentences in length, which means that they weren't giving any serious discussion or critique

[@Misa_Susaki]

Oh shoot, that Mike guy has harassed me as well.

[@warrioroflight6872]

I pointed out his hypocrisy in claiming to be a true Christian and also mentioned how his tactics are exactly the opposite of what he should do if he wants other people to change their opinions, even pointing out that he's no doubt never listened to an atheist who mocked his beliefs, so why would he expect anyone else to respond differently when he behaves in the exact same way? I don't know if he was addressing me or not, but his response was basically that it's okay for him to act that way because we're all satanists-which is precisely what I anticipated from him. He's already proven that he has no interest whatsoever in doing the right thing or obeying the commandments of God, so why would he have reacted any differently? He's an excellent example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@paulblack1799]

Golden Calf??? C'mon, we celebrated one birthday for President Nelson compared to 2000 for Jesus.

[@WigglyStuf]

Good point, I never thought of that

[@StephenSmith-qc3xx]

If you need a hero to admire here on earth ..can you think of better one ?

[@kaylahall1219]

It’s not like we believe the prophet to be completely infallible; like the pope! People be dumb

[@WigglyStuf]

I’m not sure they do, but I might be wrong

[@RunningtoHim828]

We are worshipping our temples and leaders and the church institution. We need to realize all these point to the Lord and what the Lord is offering us and stop our golden calf surrogate worship of these things.

[@jessicathurston6494]

Click bait. Those comments were very mild.

[@traceythorup1547]

Go Utes!

[@elliek5350]

The 100 thc elebration season was odd and over the top. I'd rather hear a live message from him without teleprompters - hasn't happened in a while now - still don't know what cognitive state he is in and who really makes decisions these days.

[@CameronVanTassell]

That's not hard to know. It's the same as it has always been. Any major decisions come from the whole quorum of the 12. Even if he hasn't given a talk without a prompter recently, he seems to have no outward signs of significant mental decline. I have worked in nursing homes for some time. Mental decline is pretty easy to see even when they aren't doing much speaking.

[@elliek5350]

Quorum of the 15, you mean? :) we know what different personalities with different viewed there are and it may very well be that at this point things go more according to Oaks. It's possible. Regarding Nelson's decline, your observations may be also right or wrong. The church has hidden such information in the past, that's why I'm much more suspicious now when even Holland is seen speaking here and there, but Nelson no longer is.

[@CameronVanTassell]

@elliek5350 it's not like he hasn't been seen in the public. Even the way people walk shows mental decline. It was obvious Joe Biden was having a decline despite the entire government and media apparatus telling us he was sharp as a nail. You are right that we can't know for sure, but i see absolutely no evidence to the contrary. Besides, the point stands that he is not similar to the President of the US, where he is the only one with the nuclear football. The decisions are not his alone. That's why you have an odd number. If there are differing opinions, there is never an equal amount of people on both sides of an issue.

[@kaylahall1219]

12:33 when they worshipped the golden calf; they also sacrificed their newborns on a burning statue…. Get over it people.

[@brettjacobsen]

I didn’t know that. Crazy

[@clydeLedford]

About 18 miles from the Prophet Joseph Smith's home in Vermont, and in New Hampshire, is Darthmouth college. It was a college founded with the stated mission of converting the Native American Indians to Christianity, and an Uncle of Joseph Smith was a professor of Hebrew language there. Although, Joseph Smith's father was a drunk that was admitted into the Masonic lodge, Joseph Smith was not exactly uneducated (by his Dartmouth College association) or illerate, and undoubtedly most likely was dreaming of connecting Native American Indians to Christianity because of his Dartmouth College association. As for God being a spirit (Indians Great Spirit) in Joseph's Kirkland, Ohio temple's "School of the Prophets' "lectures", wherein Joseph used it to declare that God is a spirit. later, after Joseph got the Masonic 33°, Joseph declared God has a body of flesh & bones. These two commentators are attacking none Mormons with unsubstantiated and wrong accusations that none Mormons attack Mormon Doctrine. None Mormons never bad mouthed or care about attacking Mormon doctrine. It is our LDS Mormon Church Incorporated, that uses the straw man excuse of saying they are persecuted & attacked. Besides, all Protestant Churches are pastored & membered by Freemasons. :.

[@brettmajeske3525]

You seem to misunderstand a lot of what you just wrote. Where did you get this misinformation? Dr John Smith was not Joseph's uncle, why do you think he was? By your logic the fact that Iggy Pop grew up less than 20 miles from the University of Michigan means U of M influenced his music. Not to mention by the age of fourteen Smith's family had moved 200 miles away from Dartmouth, Iggy didn't leave Ann Arbor until he was an adult.

[@joelblessing1532]

Jesus had a physical body to fully reveal God to humanity (John 1:14, Colossians 1:15), to live a sinless life as our example (Hebrews 4:15), to offer Himself as the perfect sacrifice for sin (Hebrews 10:10), and to defeat death through His resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20-22). Unlike LDS beliefs, the Bible teaches Jesus’ body wasn’t necessary to become a god but to fulfill God’s redemptive plan for humanity, showing that salvation comes through His work, not through progressing to godhood (Ephesians 2:8-9).

[@justiningham187]

We don't teach a Body is necessary to be God, Jesus Christ was God before He had a body, and The Holy Ghost is God too. Exaltation is not synonymous with Godhood.

[@christiangibbs8534]

Don't feed the trolls.

[@elliek5350]

Trinity? Joseph himself could not decide how many personages he "saw" (see the many first vision accounts)

[@KraytDragon1138]

19:30 I am a Latter-day Saint, I grew up Latter-day Saint, I've never been Catholic or Protestant etc. but I would guess that other Christians would say something along the lines of God is a Being that we cannot comprehend because we are mortal. Perhaps similar to the way humans can't really comprehend infinity. Because of this, God has given us ways we can relate to Him in the Bible. Concepts, including that God is love and God is goodness. He is truth and life. But also He asks us to relate to Him as Father. Other Christians (I think) do refer to God using male pronouns not because He is a man but because that is how He taught us to relate to Him, as a Father. Ultimately, God's condescension to becoming man as Jesus is the ultimate way we relate to Him. So while God is not a man we can relate to Him because He became a man through Jesus. Hopefully that's not too off-base and it makes sense. I just think it's important we, as Latter-day Saints, acknowledge that other Christians, like us, do think through their faith and have reasons to believe what they believe.

[@savedbygracethrufaith]

Mormons are not Christian - but they can be … ❤

[@vitalykartavykh1003]

@@savedbygracethrufaith Mormons are Christians.

[@williamfarnbach9028]

The Triune conception of the Father reflects too much Hellenism for me to make sense of it. Baked into the idea seems to be that God cannot have definitive being because that's not how perfection works, which reminds me almost exactly of Platonic thinking.

[@toriweiler1950]

⁠The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saint. Not “Mormons”. Mormon was a Prophet in the Book of Mormon-Another Testament of JESUS CHRIST. (In America) WE BELIEVE IN CHRIST AS THE SAVIOR OF ALL OF US.

[@savedbygracethrufaith]

@@toriweiler1950 right, Mormons like I said. Mormon church with Mormons, poor Mormons 🤣

[@EliasB100]

As to question 2: “Nobody can!” Are you serious??? Boy talk about being in your own echo chamber, or your own little bubble. Sheesh! Very simple. Walk into any school campus IN THE WORLD, ask to speak to any historian educator about the book of Mormon and it’s claims and listen to them explain to you that none of what is in that book is true. Start there.

[@emosongsandreadalongs]

Could you give an example of something that's been proven false?

[@EliasB100]

@ can you give proof that aliens didn’t build the pyramids? Not going to play that game.

[@kaylahall1219]

3:26 he IS saved

[@Direwolfe67]

So I am LDS very true believer of God and Jesus Christ and everything that happened before this is what I struggle with we are supposed to know Jesus Christ but we know nothing of him other than his teachings and this is not to make fun of by any means at the end of days we're supposed to know him but we know nothing of him only what was written and his teachings so the end of days we could be told he knows us not so do we have anything about him that actually teaches us about who Jesus Christ is on a personal basis this is a honest question so we are veiled are memory of God and everything we do not remember of Heaven how can we have a personal relationship when we actually don't remember our true father and this is again not making fun of what's your favorite color what's your favorite food what's your favorite activity and you can keep asking the questions but there is no response the only response I've ever gotten was that two ladies were trying to find spirituality in the church non-members both of them have decided not to join which is fine but I Felts defeated going to work someone grabbed me told me they love me a couple of people saw this the imprints of someone holding me why doesn't are heavenly father walk with us like he's walk with her ancestors warmer than anything I felt and true love ever in my life more than my parents can ever give me

[@fuzzyshark7513]

We do!! You find it the same way you find any well written book character. Most of it isn’t said outright, but His character is shown in the stories of the scriptures. He has a great sense of humor, he’s so darn witty, and SO compassionate. Even when he’s at his most tired, he can’t resist helping the beggars who run after him (my favorite is the part before the loaves and fishes) Another thing that has helped me so much in the Scriptures is putting myself in their shoes. I get so much of a more personal understanding of who they are when I compared to how I would’ve reacted. Like Nephi is told to build a boat after he traveled for 100s of days in the wilderness, and “suffered every affliction save it were death”. (Also god had told him to CLIMB A MOUNTAIN to talk to him right after he had just set up his tent!!) I WOULD HAVE DIED. But he was like YES SIR!! Anyways, I hope that helped a little.

[@DannyAGray]

I actually thought the 100th birthday party was kinda boring and lame. Detractors make it sound like we worship the prophet, but I didn't think it was a lot of praise at all.

[@dr33776]

Count how many times his butt is kissed in GC vs how many times they mention Jesus (other than closing in his name)

[@jaimeleebonberger28]

@@dr33776 That count has already been made and Jesus is mentioned, quoted, and referenced far more than President Nelson. And even when President Nelson is referenced, it is usually with reference to the Savior or His related teachings.

[@ChrisS-dt3vq]

Not true...do your research..he did, he was extremely intelligent! Before 18.

[@THE_KlNG]

time to defund this channel. we should be proud of celebrating a 100 year old prophet

[@jaymecarter8578]

Jesus is God in the flesh. Like the Book of Mormon teaches. 😊

[@clontstable1]

False Gospel = “Born Again Christianity”

[@TheMightyJor]

We, without a doubt, hero-worship President Nelson and I think we are wrong to do so. Its really hard to watch how it has escalated, especially under President Nelson.

[@IJN-33]

Agreed. I love him, but I think it would benefit everyone to acknowledge they have flaws more. It makes them more relatable and endearing. That's why I love "Rough Stone Rolling". It made me feel like disciples could be human.

[@harmonillustration]

"We, without a doubt, hero-worship President Nelson" Um, no. You don't speak for everyone.

[@TheMightyJor]

@ I’m speaking for the church collectively, not every member individually. I don’t hero-worship him, but we do.

[@harmonillustration]

@@TheMightyJor - I know. And I'm saying you have no authority to speak for the church collectively, nor do you have any kind of tangible evidence to support your claim. You're just shooting from the hip. You're just giving an opinion, but you're stating your opinion as if it was fact, and that's bad form.

[@milesdp1990]

Yeah, sorry, but I don't see the hero-worship either. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say maybe you see if where you live, but that's by no means the collective experience for the Saints.

[@elliek5350]

When you try to explain your need for a more "humanlike" God, that's exactly the issue - you're trying to create gods in your own image and to your likeness.

[@emosongsandreadalongs]

The Bible says that God created mankind in His image

[@elliek5350]

@@emosongsandreadalongs I'm talking more about the qualities that people ascribe to God what kind of a parent he is based on how each describes a perfect parent etc...basically creating individual gods to their likeness and their own inner image.

[@elliek5350]

Holland may very well believe in Christ, he may very well believe that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. At the same time he cannot not see throughout the decades of his position in the leadership that the organization is nothing but an American business corporation preoccupied first and foremost with its public image and the continuous growth of its wealth.

[@austinnajar]

I was on my mission when Holland gave the “Safety for the Soul” talk. I feel really bad for when he dies and Jesus will reject him with an “depart from me, I never knew you”.

[@christophersimmons4272]

Who made you judge ?

[@EliasB100]

To the first question: No. there’s still time for you to REPENT for believing in the wrong Jesus - the Jesus of Mormonism that comes with it a DIFFERENT Gospel “which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1‬:‭7‬-‭8‬

[@carlosisra]

Good thing it isn't a different one and it's the same Jesus established before

[@EliasB100]

@ keep believing that and you will be judged one day by the real Jesus.

[@kaylahall1219]

6:36 Joseph smith, imbecile or secret genius? Jesus, lunatic, liar, or Lord? Both require FAITH