Reacting to the Lillard Trade From a Celtics Perspective | The Bill Simmons podcast

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons joins Brian Barrett to discuss Damian Lillard being traded to the Milwaukee Bucks.
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[@cam8868]

Simmons trying to convince himself that the Bucks getting Lillard is a lateral move is why I watch him lol

[@Davivd2]

I think that it's a lateral move. It's a defensive loss for sure. Damian isn't going to put up 32 per game with Giannis and Middleton to share the ball with. I see him putting up 22 to 25. Jrue Holiday shot one percent better from 3 last year. Let's just call that lateral and the Bucks lost Grayson who was their best 3 point shooting floor spacer. Now the Bucks best wing 3 point shooter at the wing is Malik Beasly and he's shaky. IMO, if it's not a lateral move it's a slight offensive increase and a bigger defensive loss.

[@alexrietmann6301]

​@Davivd2 insanity right here... just crazy stuff...

[@MisterGuy25]

@@Davivd2having a guy who can score from 40 ft to join the guy who can dominate the paint is way more than a slight offensive increase. Star players have crazy impact on the floor. On top of that, as good of a defender as Jrue is, Giannis and Brook are still the main pieces of their defense and you’ll have an elite defense as long as you have those 2.

[@thomasredden4263]

⁠@@Davivd2brother what are you talking about? First of all, the pick and pop/roll game with Giannis and Dame will be like nothing the league has seen up to this point, especially with a big like Lopez who can still knock down from 3 and run the PnR as well with dame, Middleton was already declining and will likely be a 16 ppg scorer this year as he steps back into a tertiary scoring roll instead of a secondary one which will allow him to put more energy on the defensive end, and they do an amazing job of masking one another’s faults. Dame is an amazing ball handler and has been one of the best behind the arc scorers off the dribble or the catch for a decade, while being able to drive and be incredibly effective off the bounce, which will open the lane for Giannis in a way no other player on the market could have, Grayson is only decent at 3’s and is very streaky, and can only shoot off the catch. He’s got no bag to create his shot. They won’t be as good on the defensive end, but they will still be top 5 between Lopez, Middleton and Giannis, who will all be able to focus more on that end as they will have the load significantly lightened on offense. Dame has been great the last couple years when they have been in the playoff hunt, and has rested a lot when they have fallen out of it so he’s got a lot of tread left on the tires and will be a 28-32 ppg scorer this year while actually having options to get the ball to, which he’s an incredibly underrated passer. He’s finally got a shot at a chip and will be playing like his legacy is on the line, bc in some ways it is. He will be more fired up than we have seen in years. They didn’t lose there depth and got off a big contract in Jrue that was rapidly declining as his quickness wanes.( love Holiday and he will always be a hero in Milwaukee being the piece that put them over the hump) and him and Grayson being out covers Dames salary. And just for the record, 3pt ability is much more than just percentages. It’s that mixed with shot difficulty, ability to create your shot, ability to shoot both of the catch and the dribble, and the volume. Dame can pull up from 40 and shoot off the catch, the dribble and use the gravity of his shot to get teammates open and make good quick passes to capitalize and do so while shooting at 40%+ at a super high volume. This is so far from a lateral move

[@circusshotsgaming4753]

​@@thomasredden4263people only like to look at the tip of the iceberg. Great take, love it.

[@stevenwetherbee7573]

As a Blazers fan, I can say that the salty tears of Heat fans is worth more to me than a lottery-protected first-round pick

[@gators9570]

Okay loser

[@adamcurtis7972]

Know how you feel, felt the same way about Donovan going to Cleveland instead of NY 😂, that and when the T-Wolves gave everything they did for Gobert

[@discowolf25]

@@adamcurtis7972yeah aight but, we good.

[@larry2timezlarry2timez66]

And Tyler hero

[@mikelowry9907]

As a heat fan, I can say that I’m glad I’m not a blazers fan…enjoy being a lottery team hahahah

[@GODfaV]

If Bill doesn't think the Bucks got better by getting Dame he needs to be arrested 😂

[@serge6885]

🤣

[@seungholee4892]

and tested for drugs😂

[@Snickerszn]

😂😂. The Celtics can guard him!!! They couldn’t guard Caleb Martin and max Strauss how they gonna guard dame.

[@Snickerszn]

I love the Dame trade to pair with Giannis and Middleton but do the bucks have depth???? They lost Grayson Allen a lights out shooter. Maybe if Marjon Beauchamp can step up and be a 10 & 3 guy I would be more happy.

[@trev9168]

Bills coping so hard rn man

[@bradyparker4001]

Lolol 1000%

[@Ewach21]

Can’t wait until the bucks knock the Celtics out of the playoffs and dame hits the 3 to finish them!

[@bennyh0]

lol "they have a lot of guards to throw at them....derrick white"

[@mattbedrosian5298]

@@bennyh0 Celtics fans talk about Tatum like he's a top three player in the league and they talk about their role players like White and Rob like they are fringe all stars. It's actually hilarious. If you didn't know anything about the C's and you talked to a Boston fan about them, you would think they have won like two of the last three championships surely.

[@billybobby5247]

@@mattbedrosian5298 can you blame them? All the major networks feed them garbage and they lap it up while sniffing their own farts. Somehow in their eyes, Tatum and brown are the most successful duo in the league right now. And oh did you know they're both under 27? Like they're going to blossom into kobe and lebron in 2 years. Even though one can't dribble with both hands...

[@tonyb.1905]

Bill sounds like he's on the rebound from the Lillard trade😂

[@IamnotJokic]

He definitely overvalues Celtics players way too much. He did it with Smart and he’s doing it now. Lmao he thinks Brogdon and Rob is too much for Jrue, who’s the best perimeter defender in the league 😂

[@tonyb.1905]

@thejay1221 you're right, Jay! Bill would trade two second-round picks and two players off their bench for Jru Holiday and still say they gave up too much. 🤣

[@locateemilio3230]

@@IamnotJokiclol fr they literally have 3 centers and hes like “bad contract in brogdon + our 3rd center for an all nba defender and champion? idk”

[@jonathanbierman243]

That Towns trade proposal was one of the worst hypotheticals I’ve ever seen…

[@DB-jn8li]

Facts

[@WadeArchives]

Prolly the worst imo

[@BenHarper13]

Seriously the dumbest trade I've ever heard. Is he a Boston homer ?

[@user-ov7uv3wx6i]

Towns for Brogdon and Hauser...yeah, that will do it.

[@replicantona]

This trade could only come from a Boston born, Celtics homer ginger. He has all the tools, we can't do it.

[@Playinchamps]

Bill is salty that the Bucks are better than the Celtics now

[@billybobby5247]

dude legit said Celtics are a better matchup now against the Bucks 🤣😂🤣😂

[@mikeclarke3990]

Bucks being good rests on Middleton

[@JohnMcCrary-r1x]

Lmao Celtics are still way better and I hate the Celtics

[@willzsportscards]

😅😅😅😅

[@Dnero518]

He's definitely furious inside.😂 Celtics better hope Porzingis has another season like last year but that felt like an anomaly for him to be healthy and productive all season.

[@nupoloo8550]

I get that Bill is a Celtics fan and that the Celtics are kinda a large market, but can we get a Bucks/Blazers discussion? Do Celtics Hypotheticals have to be the first thing posted 😂

[@micahclawrence]

He’s earned the right to talk about what he wants

[@CheapSlots]

This is a Boston themed podcast, he is talking the Boston angle on the trade.

[@nupoloo8550]

@@CheapSlotsyeah I didn’t realize that til now. still funny that Bill’s first Dame conversation is all Celtics lol

[@CheapSlots]

@@nupoloo8550 Yeah true. I think he isn't trying to stay positive given how much this impacts the Celts chances

[@nupoloo8550]

@@micahclawrence just giving fan input, never said he didn’t have that right.

[@therealmoiseshenriques4125]

Big disagree. Bucks will wipe the floor with Celtics now.

[@mannydaprofit2869]

Right the same thing was said about Brooklyn we all know what happened

[@gnomechomsky2524]

@@mannydaprofit2869 Kyrie and Harden got injured? They would have won if KD's shoe was one size smaller?

[@mikeclarke3990]

Depends on Porzingis and Middleton

[@karimzakaria9621]

All the Celtics have been doing since game 7 in 2022 is wipe the floor with the Bucks

[@shouryasangam7956]

Bucks biggest problem vs Celtics was they had no one to guard Tatum and Brown. After the trade they still have… no one guard Tatum and Brown

[@thomascrowniii1693]

Bill hating heavy....getting Dame doesn't make the Bucs significantly better??? Rubbish. Dame as a 2nd option? A Dame and Giannis pick n roll? You can't double the ballhandler and you can't go under on the screen. And Middleton is the release shooter on the skip if you blitz the pick?

[@johnbrowntheprophet]

Yeah, Bill is just hating on the Bucks because he’s a Celtics fan. 🤷🏻‍♂️🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ku52880811]

Plus Lopez probably chilling for a wing 3

[@michaelahurt]

Offensively they'll be outstanding. The question is defense. Milwaukee was already an inner circle title contender and #1 seed so unless you think they are gonna win 70 games, no, by definition they probably aren't gonna be better than the best team in the conference. Which is what they were already.

[@johnbrowntheprophet]

@@michaelahurt - The defense will be easier to replace. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Getting Dame not only gives the Bucks 🦌 another elite player, scorer, shooter, and great clutch player, but Dame and Giannis will be unstoppable in the pick-and-roll. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Plus, this move also allows Giannis and Middleton to take nights off and not have to worry where the scoring is going to come from. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@michaelahurt]

@@johnbrowntheprophet But you still have to actually replace it. I never said you don't do the deal. Sorry but who cares about nights off? This is about the playoffs. There's no parade because you won 58 games instead of 54. They will be unstoppable but you still have to play offense *and* defense and other teams aren't just gonna take their ball and go home. Everyone wants to look at Denver but Denver's roster is tailor made for Jokic and Murray.

[@coleh6196]

Lol. Thinking Boston can get Jrue without touching their top 5-6 players, is pretty hilarious. Bill thinks you offer Brogdan and 5 seconds and it’s a deal.

[@imandychoi]

Lolll i mean that’s kind of what just happened ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@llcoolbeard2922]

Bill mentions the Bucks/Heat series as if Giannis didn’t miss the majority of the series and wasn’t hurt….. STOP IT!

[@FerociousMrWolf]

Boston fans live in a dream world ever season. Lakers are 100% in contention to get holiday as well he is the missing piece for them.

[@IamnotJokic]

Bill was talking up Smart for years but only so that he didn’t tank his value in the media so the Celtics could eventually trade him.

[@thebestrapperindc]

lakers with a defsive gaurd >

[@christopherdavis4150]

Tell me how the lakers have better assets to trade for jrue than the Celtics? Next first round pick is in 2029 if I’m not mistaken

[@jordanmackay6746]

Lakers are going to be another second round exit.. just like last year since they couldn't win a single game in the wcf

[@natedogg890]

​@@christopherdavis4150I like Rui or Vanderbilt more than any players the Celtics would trade

[@tonyb.1905]

Brogdon to the Clippers is ridiculous. The Clippers already rejected trading for him, which is why Marcus Smart was sent to Memphis. If Jru ends up going anywhere, I can see either Philadelphia or the LA Clippers in a deal involving James Harden as part of a three-way deal with Portland. These two talkin are delusional Celtics fans😂

[@jeremyroberts8822]

For some reason I hadn’t considered them a possible landing spot for him but I think he would fit in great in Philly. They really need a great perimeter defender like him

[@cfeegs]

He started on Philly and I wonder if he’d really want to come back. But I’ve said from the beginning that he would be the perfect guard for embiid

[@Vichinsky-ox8px]

​@cfeegs who would philly trade

[@robertriteman3227]

I am not a Celts fan but your comment looks incredibly stupid as of today.

[@brendandoherty4871]

A lot of people watch Bill Simmons seriously & think he’s an idiot. You need to watch the show like it’s a comedy. It’s like Sopranos.

[@auburnmann3630]

The NBA NEVER disappoints

[@IamnotJokic]

They disappoint all the time during the regular season when the star players always rest.

[@exitscreaming4637]

Simmons trying to convince himself that this doesn't mean much is funny

[@Elite90s]

Dude just salty asf 😂😂😂. The Bucks are gonna easily dethrone the celtics.

[@lukamajnaric7251]

Tatum and Brown vs Lillard and Giannis? Good luck Bill 🤣

[@augustmoon0004]

You forgot Holiday, White, and Porziņģis! Good luck, bud! 😅

[@Serbinator_Dominator]

Ridiculous take by Bill. Copium is very strong here. Dame with giannis is an unstoppable force in terms of what both their games offer to each other games.

[@pstratos7]

Nah Boston has porzingis now he’s super reliable and clutch

[@benl9775]

Too bad Dame time shrinks in the playoffs

[@augustmoon0004]

Do you watch basketball? Both guys want the ball in their hands at all times. How is that gonna work? And now the Celtics got Holiday!

[@pstratos7]

@@augustmoon0004 tatum and brown want the ball at all times, Giannis better off the ball then both of them and dame isa better passer/shooter than both of them. Do you watch basketball?

[@portlandreign81]

Bill says “So Dame is going to have to be like a spectacular scorer for them” literally one of the best scorers ever with more talent around him than ever I think he can handle that

[@joshuablack8221]

Bill is trippin’ hard 😂 Middleton had been hurt most of the season and wasn’t anywhere near his peak; Jrue shot like crap; and people forget that despite his great averages, Giannis was hurt 💯 Now, you add an amazing scorer, you have a healthy Middleton and Giannis, and the rest of the team is solid, this team is an official contender 😎

[@dnairish]

lmao bill simmons extreme cope

[@DB-jn8li]

😂😂

[@blondegirlsezthis8798]

As a Portland resident I am grateful for Dame's allegiance to this little town--he was our favorite son even with all the sponsored Nike athletes around he was the hometown hero in a place that doesn't have another major sports franchise he stuck with us and I hope he can win a championship with Giannis in Milwaukee, arguably an even smaller market team even than PDX. We will miss you Dame but you will get a standing O whenever you roll through!

[@blondegirlsezthis8798]

@@golanheights9000 Milwaukee is ranked 25th in market size and Portland is 20th according to Hoops Social. The Portland metro area also combines Seattle who doesn't have a team anymore and is five times the viewing audience as Milwaukee.

[@maxwatkins7032]

Bill thinks the bucks got worse let me lay this out to you there one weakness was halfcourt offense, this is who they got: - 32 pts 5 Rb 7 ast on 65% TS - 2nd behind luka in PnR 1.14 PPP on PnR, minimum 1000 - 3rd best iso scorer behind Embiid and demar - 54% on pull up jumpshots - 56% in catch n shoot - Only Ja scores better at the rim as a pg according to fg% - Great passer

[@mattbedrosian5298]

The amount of times I've already seen most Celtics fans try to spin zone this trade into the idea that Milwaukee actually got worse is hilarious.

[@lulululululu2939]

"Lillard's fg% goes down in the playoffs" yeah weird it's almost like he's the only volume scorer on the Blazers and has to deal with consrant double teams

[@michaelahurt]

He's also better now. He has more answers to different coverages that he didn't have 4, 5, 6 years ago. Even his last two playoffs in 20 and 21 his TS% was 62% and 66%.

[@joeb588]

The one thing you have to remember about the Bucks losing to the Heat last year isn’t that they couldn’t stop the Heat, it’s that Giannis missed half the series. The main question of this trade for the Bucks is health. Will Dame be available for the full playoff run?

[@jamesdman7193]

😂😂😂Oh Bill🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@StretchWizard]

Of course Simmons immediately made a case for Holiday to Celtics 😂

[@augustmoon0004]

And he is here! 😂

[@maxwatkins7032]

Completely disagree with bill, this is bad he went to the bucks for the Celtics, idk how u guard Milwaukee now, u have to show high on PnR and if u do u let Giannis play 4 v 3 in the short roll and u can’t build a wall

[@Monocrimp]

Lol the title of this video is hilarious

[@ViralContent_00]

Been listening to bill and love his content. This is one of the most bias videos of him I’ve ever seen. He never talked about how deadly this dame/ Giannis pick n roll is about to be 😂😂😂

[@mattbedrosian5298]

The amount of times I've already seen most Celtics fans try to spin zone this trade into the idea that Milwaukee actually got worse is hilarious.

[@serge6885]

lol

[@augustmoon0004]

@@mattbedrosian5298 If defense is hilarious to you, then keep laughing! However, people who know basketball realize that Holiday locked up Dame in the 2018 playoffs, completely shut him down. And now he's on the Celtics!! 😂😂

[@mattbedrosian5298]

@@augustmoon0004 Yea what Holiday did five years ago is more relevant then what he did a few months ago. Dude let Jimmy go off for 60 on him and averaged like 40 a game in the series.

[@mattbedrosian5298]

Lillard as a #2 option is significantly better than Tatum as your #1. Bucks are clearly better than Boston right now.

[@splash.3026]

After reading these comments, it’s clear that Jrue is extremely underrated to the casual fan.

[@Jpay111]

Lmaoo I love when people go back to dames playoff failures as if he is not the main focuse on defense every game plan he gets doubled as soon as he crosses half court. And that team without Kevin Durant went 73-9 ……so please speak with context don’t downplay what he does cuz he is on the bucks now

[@robertriteman3227]

I am a Raptors supporter and objectively the Celts have landed on top as scoring Holiday now gives them a better team from top to bottom then the Bucks especially since two of the three players they gave up had no future with them . The only one they may miss later is Williams. The Celts are better situated to withstand an injury to a key player than the Bucks or most other teams. At the end of the day , we all know that it is a rarity that any team gets through the season without losing a key player to an injury or having an injury that effectively makes him a non- playoff factor ( unless the player is Harden where injury is not a factor to him being a playoff failure) . So for all the discussion about the Celts and Bucks , there is no reason to believe that it could not be Indiana , the Knicks ..... that wins the East ( Note- being a realist I will not suggest it would be the Raptors)

[@twobarsfourstars]

Giannis’ defense and decision making about to get even better now that he’s got a true #1 scoring/passing/playmaking option to take that part off of his load or use as a change up. As Bill mildly conceded, if Dame is the scoring option he has been in the playoffs it’s going to get tough to out score and/or stop them inside/out

[@eliazerperez9240]

Bills reaction reminds me of when AD was traded to the Lakers and his first words on a podcast after that were that the Pelicans won the trade 😂

[@808bboarder]

Bill is wildin if he thinks he not worried about Dame because he can throw Derrick White at him 😂

[@michaelahurt]

To be fair we saw Boston go toe-to-toe with GS holding under a 111 rating. We know they can defend well enough. They just couldn't score. But last I checked Middleton, Connaughton, Crowder and Portis aren't exactly Wiggins, GPII, Porter and Looney on defense. And I know I left out Brook but I'm just not sure how tenable he is given his lack of foot speed on the perimeter and the fact you can't play a ton of drop against Boston. Especially without good point-of-attack defense. He also shooting 17.5% on threes against Boston in the playoffs so there's that

[@sg-duwap_yt8209]

Once the Warriors started running the high screen pick and roll against yall in game 4 it was over for the Celtics. There’s nothin that yall can do to stop Giannis and Dame on the high screen pick and roll especially since yall can’t switch on it.

[@michaelahurt]

@@sg-duwap_yt8209 That's just factually inaccurate. Here is GS offensive rating by game: 115 (L) 109 (W) 108 (L) 113 (W) 108 (W) 112 (W) The difference was Golden State's defense/Boston's shooting. Boston had a 126 rating in the two wins and 97 in the four losses Boston defended them well all series and GS offensive output was basically identical games 1-3 vs 4-6

[@sg-duwap_yt8209]

@@michaelahurt Curry shot 43% from 3 while averaging 30 😂 . All of that came from the high screen pick and roll 😂 The only thing y’all can do to try to combat that is to leave every body else open 😂 Klay was off and every body else on that Warriors team was streaky shooters . Now imagine Giannis setting that screen and the Bucks actually have knockdown shooters. It’s always been difficult for the Bucks to consistently get open looks in the half court but now it’ll be effortless because nobody wants to switch on screens when Giannis sets one.

[@michaelahurt]

@@sg-duwap_yt8209 and the offense was average at a 111 off rating Idc if he shot 80% the team performance is all that matters. It’s about the team. The team, the team, the team. Milwaukee’s will be great. But so will Boston’s.

[@Riles3152]

Milwaukee just added a more explosive scoring and shooting point guard but they lost arguably the best two-way point guard in Holiday. My gut feeling says that they are at the very least as good as they were when they won their championship in 2021 and possibly a bit better overall, but it does concern me if they’re going to be a team that is able to get stops when it matters most in the conference finals and possibly NBA finals if they get there. Also I like the trade because now I believe Dame is in his ideal role, as an outstanding #2 to Giannis with the proven ability to take over and close games when needed to. But they have about one or two year window to get this thing done with Dame and Middleton already in their 30s.

[@atty.fernandog.madarcos8724]

Gotta get to the conference finals and the Finals first before worrying about key defensive stops in those series. Guess thats where Dame comes in which was missing in the past 2 years.. But i agree, it's a complete trade-off of opposite strengths. But imo we've seen the ceiling the Bucks had with Jrue. It hurts to say that, i love Jrue and he's an excellent player but they needed to make this move to go to the next level 💯

[@TheTinyTimmyTimTim]

I don’t get this take. Bucks were an elite defense before they got jrue.

[@Riles3152]

@@TheTinyTimmyTimTim Yeah that’s a fair point but Jrue was/is an all league level defender and usually the guy checking the other teams best scorer on perimeter. Maybe they still are going to be at least a solid defensive team but like I said I do believe they’re going to be really good if not great because they’re gonna be overwhelmingly explosive on offense.

[@TheTinyTimmyTimTim]

@@Riles3152 i think you're underselling it tbh lol. They were a better defense in 2019-2020 without jrue than they were with him these last 3 years. They were the best defense in the league then, 102 Drtg. They were the 1 seed this year and replaced two solid players with a super star. They are favorites in the east imo.

[@plugcap2604]

@@TheTinyTimmyTimTimbro didn’t realize the bucks have had the best historically defenses since 2019

[@vincentoravec261]

All I heard was twelve minutes of panic lol.

[@thomasredden4263]

⁠Bill what are you talking about? This is so far from a lateral move. First of all, the pick and pop/roll game with Giannis and Dame will be like nothing the league has seen up to this point, especially with a big like Lopez who can still knock down from 3 and run the PnR as well with dame, Middleton was already declining and will likely be a 16 ppg scorer this year as he steps back into a tertiary scoring roll instead of a secondary one which will allow him to put more energy on the defensive end, and they do an amazing job of masking one another’s faults. Dame is an amazing ball handler and has been one of the best behind the arc scorers off the dribble or the catch for a decade, while being able to drive and be incredibly effective off the bounce, which will open the lane for Giannis in a way no other player on the market could have, Grayson is only decent at 3’s and is very streaky, and can only shoot off the catch. He’s got no bag to create his shot. They won’t be as good on the defensive end, but they will still be top 5 between Lopez, Middleton and Giannis, who will all be able to focus more on that end as they will have the load significantly lightened on offense. Dame has been great the last couple years when they have been in the playoff hunt, and has rested a lot when they have fallen out of it so he’s got a lot of tread left on the tires and will be a 28-32 ppg scorer this year while actually having options to get the ball to, which he’s an incredibly underrated passer. He’s finally got a shot at a chip and will be playing like his legacy is on the line, bc in some ways it is. He will be more fired up than we have seen in years. They didn’t lose there depth and got off a big contract in Jrue that was rapidly declining as his quickness wanes.( love Holiday and he will always be a hero in Milwaukee being the piece that put them over the hump) and him and Grayson being out covers Dames salary. And just for the record, 3pt ability is much more than just percentages. It’s that mixed with shot difficulty, ability to create your shot, ability to shoot both of the catch and the dribble, and the volume. Dame can pull up from 40 and shoot off the catch, the dribble and use the gravity of his shot to get teammates open and make good quick passes to capitalize and do so while shooting at 40%+ at a super high volume. This is so far from a lateral move

[@turneryoung905]

The first thing you hear is “from a Celtics angle…” 😂

[@taylor6466]

Idk why Bill put in the thumbnail that this take was through a Celtics perspective. Every take always is 😂

[@demetriusmiddleton1246]

I think Simmons has a concussion

[@juliocezar7565]

Hi big fan of Giannis since 2013.....What ????This guy is Analyst???I think he is JEALOUS

[@him4882]

The outcome of this trade for the Bucks and how we talk about it 2 years from now all comes down to Middleton. Last year he wasn’t himself, if he can get back to 21 levels, they will be a problem.

[@billdoty6438]

As a Bucks fan, you make a great point, he will be the key, when he’s on, he’s deadly. He just can’t stay healthy, but that was last year, hoping he’s healed up for this season

[@marcuslittle4428]

Dude stop the cap! Your playa hate is sooo strong. As a Bucks fan i know that you know that this trade is a game changer in the power relationship between Boston and Milwaukee. Your only chance to save face in trading Smart, would be to get Holiday. But you both are seriously illin if you think even before these trades that the Celtics were a better team than the Bucks. Celtics are still chasin a chip, Bucks are working hard for a second. Has everyone forgotten Giannis's comments about feeling disrespected. Giannis is coming for the league! And now he has his Kyrie/Steph side kick. And tgey still have a 2 time allstar Cash money Middleton who is still working himself back from 2 years of injury. So don't get it twisted.

[@mannydaprofit2869]

Bro the bucks got better . But the Celtics starting 5 still better. Bucks don’t even have a SG. Not only that giannias still can’t shoot . Middleton ain’t the same y’all have a lot of question marks ❓. Y’all don’t even have someone to guard Tatum or brown . It’s all about matchups Celtics are better .

[@marcuslittle4428]

@@mannydaprofit2869 talk it up, cause I can't wait for the show downs. However admittedly the Bucks aren't the same with coaching changes, etc. But everybody knows who's the league favorite for the chip. Didn't you know, that it is known?

[@mhop9775]

So he talks about the bucks for like 3 minutes and they spent the rest of the 12 minutes making up fake trades 😂😂

[@michael_c2]

Miami fans trying to act like the pic swaps have no value. All the way out in 2028 and 2030. They could absolutely have value by then. I mean it's probable that the current front office won't even be there at that point but still.... A lot of people love the Celtics would never cash in on the New Jersey pic swaps and I'm pretty sure one of them ended up becoming a number 1 overall. They ended up trading down three and picking Tatum up because of a pick swap that people thought had no value at the time

[@andrewholland853]

Who carss about long term with the Bucks, this make their offense elite for the next 3 yrs easy. Now Giannis wont have to run his face into a wall in the NBA playoffs for his team to score. It will become much easier

[@Frank-ui3gh]

They Talk about the blazers for 10 seconds, great job guys.

[@johnbrowntheprophet]

No one cares about the rebuilding team. 🤷🏻‍♂️🙄🤦🏻‍♂️ They’re only gonna talk about the championship contenders. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@OJ_Pimpson]

Every fan base is delusional to some degree. But Boston fans are on another level

[@notoriouseagle1074]

Not as delusional as the franchise u support.

[@giorgoslolos9132]

We got to give Bill some time the man is hurt🙏

[@CoolTy23]

Best Odds To Win The Title: 1. Bucks 2. Celtics 3. Suns 4. Lakers 5. Nuggets 6. Warriors 7. Clippers 8. Heat 9. Kings 10. Grizzlies

[@grahamjl766]

Did the nuggets lose someone? Geez why did they fall so far after they basically swept the playoffs?

[@jacklumsden7444]

Lol Lakers? Stop.

[@CoolTy23]

@@grahamjl766Bruce brown was a major piece they lost for nothing this off-season

[@CoolTy23]

@@jacklumsden7444lakers have one of the deepest teams in the league right now

[@Hooch_is_crzy]

You are delusional… it was a sweep… Bruce f’ing brown wasn’t the difference…

[@SqueeJ93]

They should put “from a Celtics perspective” in the title of every video Bill does

[@tylermanning8582]

As a Wolves fan who’s seen every KAT game, I’ve been really frustrated with Towns for a couple years, but We’re not trading him for nothing to get off the money. He’s not Ben Simmons. He’s a top 30 guy when he’s healthy. I’d love for them to move off one of the bigs but they’ve both become undervalued. Rudy because of the overpay and Towns because he’s a moron on podcasts.

[@kevlar715]

Lmfao the amount of copium here is astounding

[@skoorbywehc]

Bill… sorry to tell you this, the Celtics had their run and wasted it. It’s over. The Celtics aren’t winning shit 😂

[@atty.fernandog.madarcos8724]

Lol bill and his friend holding their tears back while doing this pod 😂 You got a top 2 point God, you kept two of your big 3 in the process, you got rid of grayson, the Bucks got better.. way better PERIOD 💯

[@augustmoon0004]

Nope! You got a 6 foot two guard who Jack's shots up over 20 a game who doesn't play defense and you lost your best perimeter defender, who is also a 20 points score in Holiday! And now he's on the Celtics and has a history of locking up Lillard!!

[@michael_c2]

I don't think holiday is realistic for the Celtics unless there's some trade exception magic I don't know about. I don't think you can give up horford or Williams given porzingis's injury history. But I don't know I am not smart enough to figure out how The deadlines and extensions work.

[@michaelahurt]

Agree. Technically you could do Brogdon, Pritchard and 5 minimum guys (the Daryl special) to make up the salary but I'm not sure what Boston is allowed to do under the new rules. Trading one of Horford or Williams puts you right back where you were last year. I thought the whole point of Smart for KP was to balance the roster and now you are going right back to the same roster construction? Huh?

[@lm7_gio]

1 minute and 20 seconds of this episode was what it took for me to loose any respect i ever had for Bill Simmons and him to loose any credibility i ver thought he had when it came to basketball. Saying that he was more scared of Buttler/Bam/Dame than Giannis/Middleton/Dame, referencing the Heat bench as something awesome to behold and DERRICK WHITE HAVING A FAVOURABLE MATCHUP VS DAME LILLARD, i realy couldn't fit 3 worse takes inside of 80 seconds even if i tried. Absolutely delusional. Now i realy want the Celtics in the playoffs so i can see Bill's salty tears after his team gets demolished into oblivion.

[@michaelahurt]

I'll explain ... Milwaukee was tougher than Boston. Miami was/is tougher than Boston. I'm not a Celtcis fan, but if you listen to them, they know they are soft and are legitimately scared of teams that can bully them. Milwaukee won't do that anymore so that's one. Now saying "favorable" ... yeah, that's dumb. But White is an ideal defender against Dame and Boston held GS to a 111 off rating in the finals. They will defend Milwaukee just fine because of White's screen navigation and their collective length. What you want with Dame is what GS has with Steph -- a bunch of long rangy wings and mobile big. That's what Miami is. You can try to attack him but they'll just switch everything and have 4 good perimeter defenders on the court and the speed to close on the rim. That's why they are scarier and that's just not what Milwaukee has. Giannis is that, but the rest of the roster isn't. Brook is slow. Khris is slow. Jae is slow. (He also likes to switch so you bring up Brook and now it's Jaylen/Derrick/Jayson against Brook in space.) Dame is small. Pat -- I like Pat but if he's your defensive stopper that's a problem. So what will happen is Boston will play five out and matchup hunt. (They already do.) So now you have Tatum, Brown, Brogdon (maybe) and White just going one-on-one with Pat, Khris, Dame, Jae. Guys who just don't have the footspeed to keep up with them. And because Boston plays five shooters, you can't really help. Especially since Tatum keeps getting better at the hitting guys as their defender is leaning the wrong way. I mean you probably have to put Giannis on Tatum but he's not a good screen navigator either cause he's so big. If Brook/Portis come out, Tatum is at the rim. If they don't, he's burying threes like he did to Joel. I genuinely think this is like when a team switches from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and but you don't have a dominant nose tackle so the whole thing just falls apart. Point-of-attack defense like Jrue provided in a drop scheme is the equivalent. It's what ties the whole thing together. If Milwaukee can retool on the fly -- Bridges/Claxton for Khris/Brook would be the pipe dream -- I think they are the clear favorites, but honestly the defense is going to be a real problem in the playoffs because they were built for a completely different scheme.

[@Kyleforthe3SIKE]

12 minutes and 30 seconds of bill crying

[@nkrumansantos1794]

The Spurs could be a great destination to Jrue too. They have draft capital, cash and Trey Jones.

[@smittyque2567]

That's an interesting idea.

[@jackknuth2659]

“A lateral move” 😂

[@fallenshallrise]

I immediately had a bad vibe - like why is Giannis playing GM and making his team older - mainly because I really like Jrue - BUT when you think about it, Giannis is usually brilliant all game and then can run out of energy at the end of the game... when it's Dame time. I'm interested to see where it goes and how they mesh anyway. Also as a Spurs fan it's funny to hear Bill building up Derick White so much. Spurs fans know how much we liked that guy back when the rest of the world had hardly heard of the guy.

[@future_elevator_music]

However if you look at a lesser known stat such as birth dates you could actually make the argument that the team got younger through the trade.

[@thomascrowniii1693]

The Bucks got significantly better and Jrue was a complete disaster offensively in the playoffs.

[@gators9570]

@@thomascrowniii1693They got significantly worse on defense

[@iNostraD]

Jrue & Dame are the same age lmao.

[@iNostraD]

@@gators9570Jimmy Butler dropped 56 points on Jrue Holiday’s head.

[@DB-jn8li]

Bias Simmons strikes again

[@nikobellic8627]

Yet you are still here feeding the beast

[@nocturne311]

I didn't realize this was called The Objective Podcast.

[@Bobbleheads56]

How is it biased to post a video that explicitly says its from a Boston fan’s perspective

[@chenzomutumbo9140]

​@Bobbleheads56 that simply means that the bias is acknowledged...

[@davidvillela7476]

That turned into a celtics talk so fast 😂

[@ogfromIE]

The realization that the Bucks are better than Celtics discussion. 😂

[@joelpeoj]

Never seen Bill disagree so much with somebody. Rough outing for that dude.

[@mrultra6655]

Jrue going to the Celtics will be electric. I need it to happen

[@Dont-Ask-Me-My-Name]

I'm no Celtic fan but I've still got the C's as the team 2beat in the East

[@jeremyroberts8822]

It’s them and the bucks forsure as the top 2 teams in the east. Really just a toss up as to who is better with their new pieces until the season starts and we see both teams play. I think Miami is gonna take a step back this year and Philly is kind of a mess right now since harden wants out

[@mannydaprofit2869]

It’s all about matchups and the bucks don’t have a guard who can guard Tatum or brown . The tiger thing is giannias still can’t shoot , Middleton has regressed and Lopez is aight . Celtics starting 5 is a lot better than the bucks 5 . Bucks don’t even have a SG

[@Dont-Ask-Me-My-Name]

Yep Celtics can match-up w/ any1 &now w/o Jru Giannis is gonna have2 guard the oppositions best player. He can do it but it's gonna take something out of em

[@mattbedrosian5298]

We just watched a Jokic and Murray lead nuggets team absolutely roll through the playoffs and neither of which are considered great defensive players. Individual defense is becoming significantly overrated in todays nba. Great offense will always beat great defense. Not to mention we just watched Jrue get 60 dropped on his head by Jimmy butler.

[@michaelahurt]

So what's Jimmy gonna do when it's Damian Lillard guarding him instead? Drop 90? Great offense beats great defense but if your defense turns the other teams offense into an even better one that doesn't matter. Boston held GS to a 111 offensive rating. As great as Milwaukee will be on offense, they aren't scoring 125 per 100 on Boston. It's less about the great offense, middling defense thing than the specific roster construction. Milwaukee is basically the 2021 to 2023 Jazz on defense. Teams are gonna go five out -- Boston already does -- and just attack the weaker perimeter defenders one on one. Giannis is great but he can't actually guard all five guys at once. And Brook is a great drop big but if you can't pressure the ball and get over the screen all drop does is give up open shots. You have to actually force the ball downhill into Brook for him to be effective. Otherwise he's just watching practice shots like everyone else.

[@mattbedrosian5298]

@@michaelahurt Dame wouldn't even guard Jimmy tho. When they play Connaughton or Beasley will matchup with Jimmy. And Dame will guard either Herro or Lowry. Also, Dame aint even a bad defender, he isn't elite by any means but acting like he's some slouch defensively is just plain wrong.

[@michaelahurt]

@@mattbedrosian5298 Miami and Jimmy don't matchup hunt? Tatum and Boston don't matchup hunt? LeBron? Luka? Kawhi and PG? Beasley might be a worse defender than Dame. There's a reason LA didn't play him even though they really needed his shooting. Pat is fine as your fifth guy or seventh guy. I like Pat. But it's like Phoenix last year trying to use Torrey Craig as their stopper. That ain't it Good or bad Dame is 6'3". Steph is genuinely a good defensive player, much better than Dame, but he's small so he gets picked on. That's just what happens. You can't stick your head in the sand and pretend it's 2010 and you can just put him on Andre Roberson and no one will bother him. Good teams are going to attack him

[@johnbrowntheprophet]

If the Celtics get Jrue Holiday, it’s gonna be very hard to beat them. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@thebigwagyu]

I think this is a classic NBA move that has popped up time and time again, Star X gets teamed up with Star Y and everyone goes “oh my god this is unstoppable,” only for the team to be successful but ultimately not as good as everyone overreacted to. This is a defensive downgrade for Milwaukee for an offensive upside. If it works out, they’ll outscore teams in route to a finals run. If it doesn’t, they’ll get exposed by a team like Miami did last year and lose earlier than everyone expects.

[@lolcat9744]

Holy cow Simmons has lost his fastball! Was this the Celtics Circle Jerk pod?

[@bdmoore3703]

Yo the celtics are scared of my bucks damn they really fear the deer😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@masondupre518]

Probably not the most realistic thing ever but brogdan, filler and picks for jrue would feed families

[@imsoicy87]

Not

[@xavierlo4832]

Bill liked Dame goin to Toronto but doesn’t like Dame & Giannis together 😂 this guy stinks

[@coreyeatmon5101]

The problem with jrue is that you don't shut down offensive stars and jrue has too many 6 of 20 shooting nights

[@austingreen1274]

Brian assumes that Miami is eliminated if Jrue goes to Boston?? Are we EVER going to stop writing Miami’s obituary? Jimmy embarrassed Jrue and the Heat embarrassed the Celtics in the playoffs.

[@SSJRome]

Jrue would be a solid Marcus smart replacement

[@gnomechomsky2524]

Smart is not even in the same league as Holiday

[@Crazyjedi2]

News: "A magnitude 7 earthquake has just rocked the coast of eastern Siberia" Bill Simmons: "Here's how this affects the Boston Celtics"

[@jayjones9225]

Jrue Holliday sweepstakes are gonna be exciting as hell too. Heat, Celtics, Knicks, Clippers all make a lot of sense for Jrue

[@chrisg2214]

I think Bill is delusional if he thinks the heat or a bigger threat than the bucks. I love how they Damian Lillard trade talk turns in nothing but Celtics 🙄

[@brob8204]

I love the respect that Jrue Holiday is getting right now from the folks who know basketball. Jrue is an outstanding, all-star caliber player. He certainly should not be viewed as a pawn in this trade and I hope he goes to a contender. Jrue can be that guy under the radar like Aaron Gordon, who can take a team over the top.

[@mileshall9235]

One of my favorite players.

[@dr3693]

the way bills brain works is so funny to me

[@DrAwesome43]

Brogdon + Pritchard (Oregon hometown hero) + one minimum contract is enough $ to trade for Jrue... throw in some picks and it makes a lot of sense both ways

[@rokasgrajauskas4091]

- The disgruntled superstar has been traded after months of waiting. And he didn’t get to go to the team that he wanted! We have to do an emergency podcast!!! - Oh, absolutely! And we should upload a 12 minute video to youtube, where instead of talking about what happened we discuss shitty Celtics trade scenarios! - (…) Great idea, Bill!

[@rokasgrajauskas4091]

- Giannis and Dame teaming up is a great topic to discuss, isn’t it, Bill? - Meh… You can mention them once if you want. I want to verbally masturbate about Derrick White for a few minutes. - (…) Wow, awesome! You truly are the Godfather of sports podcasting!

[@JeewanthaBandara]

Did both of them really dismiss weight training around 5:36? For super athletes like Jason Tatum, 495 lbs is nothing. They should honestly be in the 700 lbs range given their genetic gifts. Weight training is definitely beneficial to NBA athletes. Being more muscular helps resist injuries and allows them to take more punishment in the post.

[@aaron5049]

You know, I tried again to give Simmons a chance. I couldn't get past 1:05. Unreal

[@xavierm3816]

Bill such a hater lmfao

[@TheKaijudist]

Bill Don't Fuck Up Your Mic Audio Challenge Difficulty: Impossible

[@homerhouser2323]

imagine lillard's face the moment portland sends jrue straight to miami from the bucks😆😆

[@bryanttisdale2446]

You mean.....Jrue WICK 🤵‍♂️. A man of sheer will and focus to stop the point guard that just took his job 😮from winning a championship...

[@ryanerusch7190]

Celtics fans are so crazy because they’re making the Lillard trade about them 😂

[@Sebasscp]

Simmons is salty hahaha hes a clown the celtics cant beat the bucks or the heat tbh

[@Itsjustlikemagic]

I honestly do not love this trade for the Bucks. Not only was Jrue a much better two player but I feel like Jrue can play off the ball whenever Giannis or Khris is running the offense. I am just not sure if Dame is willing to play off the ball at times, share touches, and allow anyone else to initiate the offense. This trade will either make or break the bucks. If they don’t win a championship, they deserve all the criticism coming their way. I know all of these talking heads are trying to brainwash the casual nba fan into thinking that this was a homerun trade for the Bucks. I won't be surprised one bit if the narrative on this trade completely changes a few months from now if the Bucks go home early once again in the playoffs.

[@matt-qz2dv]

Bill is in such denial about the Celtics! They traded there best 2 defenders! They ain't beating the Bucks in a series!!

[@therockneverstops8261]

The New Orleans Pelicans have to be front runners for Jrue Holiday if they can make the money work.

[@plankonYT]

The only player who's game would be better to pair with Giannis' than Dame is Steph Curry. And Curry was not available, so Lillard is the best player the Bucks could've gotten. I will miss Jrue in Milwaukee though.

[@ihatecasuals5065]

Bill relax 😂😂